Okay, now we're ready to start.

I think we need to finish the roll call though.

Yes.

Okay, Councilmember Brownstone.

Here.

Councilmember Johnson.

Here.

Councilmember Nagas.

Here.

Vice Mayor Penrose.

Here.

Mayor Roddick.

Here.

We have a form.

We have one public comment on here when it's in.

Oh.

So I'm gonna read the open.

The closed session items.

Do we have item 4A conference with labor negotiators?

Pursuant to government code section 54957.

4B, conference with legal counsel existing litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9.

Subsection D1.

Item 4C, conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation and 4D, conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation.

And do we have any public comment on closed session items?

We have one in person who's on his way in.

Any that are online, please raise your hand if you would like to speak.

Here uh right here.

Perfect.

Can you sit down if you'd like?

Um, Madam Mayor, uh Howell requested that he have more than three minutes to speak on uh his particular item tonight.

Well, our meeting starts at seven o'clock.

So how about uh you know keep it to three?

My my specific request is just that it runs in a panel that hopefully that few very small minutes uh be concise.

The things could end up costing, which we want to avoid.

Everyone wants to avoid, I believe.

Okay, I'm gonna start the time now.

Correct.

As you wish.

Uh first, may I ask uh, you know, have all the council members seen both uh demand letter from Brian Hildred and the response letter from the city's law firm.

It's been sent to them.

I'm I'm asking if they've actually seen it.

Whether well, so why don't you get to public comment?

This isn't really a question answer type situation.

So and any communications that I would have sent to the council are attorney point approval.

So it's better for you to just start your public comment given the time uh questions.

My point here, Denise is that the council is weighing your advice against other things.

So I understand that you're advising them not to listen to potentially other things.

So I appreciate that you're in that position.

Um so basically the public interest is served by this going to the voters, it's going to the voters.

The public interest is served by the voters having hearing the arguments from both sides and being able to weigh them and decide.

And this will extinguish the controversy that exists in our town.

So uh the fact that uh the city attorney, you know, is basically saying that the city clerk exceeded her authority uh in writing on August 3rd, sending me a letter that said the deadline county deadline was August 11th, and not calling attention to anything else, and in that letter saying these are the rules.

And then when I came in on the 10th per the recommendation in the letter, and I don't know if all of you have seen uh the letter that the city clerk had sent to me on August 3rd, but if not, I have a couple of copies I can you guys can pass around later in your discussion period.

Um it said the county deadline said we this is a list we send anyone asking about arguments, county deadline for all arguments is August 11.

We recommend submitting any written argument paperwork to the city clerk's office prior to this deadline to ensure all requirements have been met.

I came to the office 345 teasday, Monday afternoon.

The clerk was not in the deputy clerk contacted her upon discovering the discrepancy between the city council resolution and the letter written to me by the city clerk, and the fact that it was depending on what the city clerk told me and after conferring, they didn't say to me, You got an hour and a quarter, buddy.

Hurry up.

They said we'll accept this tomorrow.

So I came back with it tomorrow.