Okay, so we know how to make it for the show.

Okay.

Um do the other thing that's like myself on the card.

I mean, it's very nice.

Oh, cool.

Yeah, you understand.

That's why I'm glad I don't really see how I'm saying that it's because it weren't wrong, like just have it suddenly right away.

Yeah, that's why I have something on the class one.

No, then it's more important.

Yeah.

I was just going to say great job.

The City of Hampton's planning commission meeting for the month of October two thousand twenty-five will now come to order.

Madam Clerk, can you call the role, please?

Commissioner Griffith.

Present.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Present.

Commissioner Brooks.

Present.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Mugler.

Present.

Commissioner DeProfio.

Present.

Chair Harris.

Present.

Now, do I hear a motion for approval of minutes for the month of September eighteenth, two thousand twenty.

I'm sorry, for the month of September two thousand twenty-five.

Second.

Commissioner Griffith.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Aye.

Commissioner Brooks.

Aye.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Muggler.

Aye.

Commissioner De Profio.

Chair Harris.

I move for approval of the minutes from the special joint meeting, September twenty-fourth, twenty twenty-five.

Second.

We have a motion on the floor for approval of minutes for the September twenty-fourth, two thousand twenty-five special meeting.

Madam Clerk, can you call the roll, please?

Commissioner Griffith.

Aye.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Aye.

Commissioner Brooks.

Aye.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Muggler.

Aye.

Commissioner DeProfio.

Aye.

Chair Harris.

Aye.

That motion carries.

Mr.

Chair, I make a motion to move the community development director's report prior to the public hearing items and move agenda item 25-0305 to immediately after the public hearing items.

I second.

We have a motion to amend the agenda items to move the community development director's report as first on the list and then move public hearing item 25-0305 to immediately follow 25-0266.

Madam Clerk.

Can you call the roll, please?

Commissioner Griffith.

Aye.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Aye.

Commissioner Brooks.

Aye.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Mugler.

Aye.

Commissioner DeProfio.

Aye.

Chair Harris.

Aye.

Director, you have the floor.

Thank you.

We do have one item on the director's report, which is our youth planner report.

Here to present is Henry Godfrey.

So now that we gotten into the swing of things this year, how has it been?

You know, have we had ups, have we had downs, have we had a lot of obstacles?

Nonetheless, here's what the Hemp Do Commission has done, some of the progress that we made for this year.

So court of order is basically just us reconvening for our first meeting.

You know, executive was really able to hold it down by strategizing not only the agenda for themselves as well, but the commission members as well.

You know, assigning committee work with the grants, community participation committee.

They also came up with a lot of other different things, you know, recruitment as well as preparing logistics for the town hall, teen town hall, different things like agendas, you know, eating different things like that.

The youth voice, youth voice has come up with the youth master plan.

They finished two of the goals, so they're making great progress as well as the teen town halls.

So a lot of you on this on this screen, a lot of you probably don't know the incident that happened at Kick Itan last month, so allow me to inform you.

So the situation basically, a student, I believe they were a freshman in high school, ninth grader.

They bought decided to bring a firearm into the school.

Unfortunately, but fortunately, they were arrested and charged.

Uh the students evacuated immediately in a true HES fashion.

This evacuation was turned into a field trip.

I'm gonna be honest, this could have been an easy way for me to get skip class, but I'm gonna skip it on this one.

See so we the commissioners did have a lot of feelings for this, but they were able to come up with a lot of different solutions, things like being able to talk with skate stakeholders as well as other events, conduct events for this to not happen again.

So the youth commissioners, some of you commissioners were appointed to neighborhood commission as well as the newly instated junior youth planner, Zariah Meyer.

This helped the youth to be able to get a perspective on neighborhood neighborhood advocacy, you know, learn how the commission works, as well as being able to get more involved in their community.

With the capital improvement plan, there was a lot of different youth master plan goals that aligned with this matter.

You know, different things like budgeting, which I'm still working on to this day, as well as critical thinking and a lot of different other things as well.

Now that you've heard all that, here's some of the different ways we can support.

You know, you got the capital improvement plan.

Any suggestions that you might have for us, please feel free to let us know.

We also have the youth master plan.

Thank you for for your constant support as we try to get this ultimately adopted and funding for towards the grants hearing.

If you know any youth-led organizations that might be available for this matter, please feel free to let us know.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time, and I now open the floor up to any questions.

Thank you so much, Mr.

Godfrey.

You're always a joy.

Um, so we appreciate you.

Does any of the commissioners have uh any questions or comments uh for Mr.

Godfrey?

Only comment I have is one that I want to thank oh go ahead.

Uh Mr.

You show I'm good, sure Brian.

Uh, I just want to thank uh Hampton City Schools and Emergency Services and Law Enforcement for uh handling that situation.

They moved a lot of kids very, very quickly.

It may not have been perfect, but I I think they did a great job.

I sat in on the planning um sorry, the commission meeting with the youth.

Um they had great feedback and actually great insight into what happened, and so I want to say uh thank you all.

I know the law enforcement is here as well, and whoever's here from Hampton City Schools, thank you for your work and thank you, Mr.

Godfrey.

Sir appreciate it.

Now we'll move on to the public hearing items.

All right, I will start with the public hearing protocol.

The planning commission of the city of Hampton takes pride in being fair and courteous to all parties in attendance.

It is important that all involved understand how the commission conducts its hearings and how all persons before the commission should conduct themselves.

Individuals other than the applicant or their representative who have signed up to comment on the case will have three minutes to present their comments.

All comments must be directed to the commission.

No person may address the commission unless he or she is called by the chair.

Speakers must remain at the podium or microphone while addressing the commission.

Speakers who have signed up may not donate their time to other speakers.

And please note that unless otherwise stated, the actions taken by the commission today are in the form of a recommendation to the Hampton City Council.

The final decision to approve or disapprove an application will be made by the city council at a future date.

The first public hearing item that we will hear is 25-0266.

It is a use permit application by Margaret Lefranc Art Foundation, Inc.

to permit the development of a private museum at 1609 and 1611 Aberdeen Road.

LRSNs 3003863 and 3003862.

Here to present on behalf of staff as City Planner Hanbu.

Thank you, Kim.

Um, I will be presenting use permit application number 25026 for 1609 and 1611 Aberdeen Road, and the applicant is Margaret LaFranc Art Foundation Inc.

This use permit application would allow for the development and establishment of a private museum in the limited commercial C2 district.

And this is the general location of the site.

This is the specific site located on Aberdeen Road above West Mercury Boulevard as well as Toft's Lane.

The proposal would include a 3750 square feet building with galleries, cafe, gift shop, and an outdoor deck.

It will be offered with free admission.

There will be approximately six employees along with securities on night exhibitions.

The proposed museum would be offering classes, feature speaker events, and night exhibitions.

And the hours of operation would be from 10 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

This is the proposed floor plan of the museum.

Upon entering, it will be the gallery area.

To the left would be the classroom, storage, and office.

And to the right is the gift shop, the cafeteria, and the outdoor deck.

This is the proposed elevation of the museum.

We are looking from Aberdeen Road here to the right would be Etchwood.

The site is zone C2, limited commercial district.

And the proposed land use map calls for mixed use for this site.

And here are some public policies applicable from the Hampton Community Plan as well as Coliseum Central Master Plan, which includes promoting high quality design and site planning, promoting family school and community interaction at the neighborhood level, promoting access to educational, social civic, recreational and employment opportunities to youth and seniors.

Promoting educational facilities that for um that has a broad base of community use, promoting an extent, ongoing cooperation and partnerships, particularly here with Thomas Nelson or Virginia Peninsula Community College, as well as fostering a successful development of a vacant lot in the city.

The youth master plan also included some public policies that are applicable to this application, which are approving youth and adult relationships in community organizations, youth having access to educational, social, civic, and recreational opportunities, as well as recreating spaces dedicated to youth.

And this is that analysis.

And there will be minimal impact to surrounding neighborhoods considering the uses permitted by right in the C2 district.

And these are some of the staff recommended conditions, which includes landscape plan, Coliseum Central Design Standards, fencing and screening.

The hours of operation would be from 10 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

And traffic circulation, capacity CO in our standard compliance with law, revocation and nullification, and the complete fragmented conditions can be found in the package.

There were a community meeting that was held by the applicant on July 8th of 2025.

There were no opposition from the public.

However, there are some general concerns on traffic circulation, drainage, and sewage, and particularly the existing heavy flow of traffic coming from the adjacent shopping center.

And the applicant has prepared a presentation after the public hearing is held.

Staff will be recommending an approval of the use permit application number 25-026 with 15 conditions.

And I'll be available for any questions.

Thank you, ma'am.

Does any of the commissioners have questions for staff?

Just one.

Understood that uh use permit applications by right or the building of the museum's by right.

Uh, what is the historic use of the property?

Uh the stuff now.

I will clarify it is not by right, it is the private museum use is subject to a use permit.

So right.

Um, so previously on the property, is there any um commercial use that we should know about?

Um, it is right right now a vacant lot, so there's nothing on there but a stove zoned C2.

Right.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Any other commissioners have questions or comments?

Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you.

Uh and the applicants are here to speak.

If you can come up to the uh microphone, please, or to the booth.

The extra five, I already knew what I was going to do.

My destiny is quite clear.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen and audience.

Uh I hope you can hear me because sometimes we have a problem hearing you.

Um that was Margaret Lafranc's voice from a lifetime of imaging the art of Margaret Lefranc, both the book and uh the film.

I once asked her, how long have you been painting?

Six years, she said, six.

I said, where were you all those other years?

What were you doing?

And anyway, um, I've waited for you for 35 years.

We're here now for two reasons.

First, because of Margaret Lefranc, uh, who had an art angel on her shoulder when she was born, because indeed she did start her art career when she was six, and she devoted her life to painting.

Later in life, the portrait that you're seeing there now.

I'm sorry, her her uh photograph was taken when she received the governor's award for her art painting.

And secondly, we're here because 50 years ago I saw that self-portrait that she painted in Paris in 1927 when she was 20.

It's the same photograph or um uh painting that's on tour with the National Portrait Gallery, Washington, D.C., Smithsonian now, is due home the end of December, uh November after two years.

But 35 years ago, I discovered that it became my mission to save her art.

Most women's art does get lost.

And I thought uh it was my duty to preserve my adopted grandmother's legacy step by step through thousands of God moments.

It's been a long journey.

Now, as president of the Margaret Lefranc Art Museum, I present this plan that uh I don't think we have the plan here.

You've seen it before.

Um but I present this museum here in Hampton on Aberdeen Road across from Todd Center.

The museum will inspire children and young adults and seniors and students of all ages will learn about art, cursive, and drawing guided by Margaret's attitude, and her philosophy was drawing isn't just for art because it carries across many occupations.

But she did say that any artist worth his or her assault had to know how to draw.

And the Virginia Peninsula Community College students will serve an internship there.

And they will learn all of the museum studies that we can possibly present.

It's a work-based field experience, gaining hands-on exposure across all areas of museum studies.

What we're doing is building legacies.

Thank you, ma'am.

Can you state your name for the record, please?

I'm sorry.

I'm right here.

Sorry, how are you doing?

Can you state your name for the record?

Your name?

My name is Sandra McKenzie, president of the Margaret Lefranc Art Foundation and Museum.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Any of the uh commissioners have questions, I think, Joe.

Go ahead.

Uh seems like a fantastic initiative to bring art to the community.

Just wanted um wanted to ask a just a question I couldn't find through Googling.

Um what is uh Miss Lafrank's um connection to the city of Hampton?

Margaret's connection is my connection.

When uh she was uh born in New York, um lived in Florida, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and several other states.

My parents had a business here building.

We built over 700 homes in this area.

I had a choice of staying in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where there are a lot of museums and art galleries, or bringing it to Hampton, and I thought Hampton would be a logical community choice because other commissioners have questions, comments.

I do have a question.

Um the location you picked.

I know our real estate here and I'm sorry, could you speak a little bit?

Let me speak louder.

I know the real estate that we have here, we're kind of of uh landlocked, and we don't have a lot of spaces, but is there a reason you chose that location or was it just the first available building?

There are several reasons I chose.

It's next to State Farm, and who knows what's going to happen to State Farm one day.

Okay.

So there could be, and I feel there will be possibilities for growing.

The other reason is it's close to a lot of high schools, so that students can get to us, we can get them to us.

And uh the VPCC is close by, they're very happy with that location as well for their art students or and or business students who will also be studying there because there's a small cafe.

So there's a lot of opportunity for students to learn a lot and contribute to the community when they're finished.

My next question for you did you say that was your adopted grandmother, or is that just a term of endearment, or is that a real thing?

Is she really your adopted grandmother?

Well, I started uh in 1975.

That's when I saw that painting that you just saw.

And uh finally in 1990, all during that time, actually, she was indeed my adopted grandmother, and then in 1990, I started working with her art with her and the art.

Uh so we uh we had a lot of long years that I learned about her art and her life and produced a book and a film and wrote articles and got her name out there and did exhibitions, and she was friends of Georgia O'Keefe and gave Archil Gorky his first one man drawing show and um contributed a lot to various communities and even taught art.

Okay, thank you, ma'am.

Smith can you please come up thank you I am Howard Schmidt and I hope not to speak I apologize first of all for my address I I received a notice from Ms.

McKell about chances which is later on in the docket uh and if if were you signed up to speak for this item or for the chance no sir just on the chances matter okay if that's necessary that's fine you can come back up when we bring that item up thank thank you thank you Mr.

Smith who else is signed up to speak we have a Jamie Joyner How are you doing Ms.

Joner Hi how are you I wasn't sure where or when to ask questions so I wrote my name down so I'm not sure if this is the right timing but um we own uh number 20 on Edgewood and there's quite a few people at there's at least one family that lives on Edgewood here um but most of the people who live on our street are um working they can't make it to a meeting to ask questions and so our biggest concerns from the um neighbors is like is the traffic impact um a couple of the other concerns is um like Miss McKenzie had mentioned the the property at State Farm is an interest um one of our questions is what's the interest of the property number one Edgewood Drive and number two Edgewood Drive and also the building which I think faces um Aberdeen Road is a it's a long white building and it has doors dry cleaners in it so that's a commercial property but like if the building of the museum we all are in great we think the museum idea is a wonderful idea we just want to know how much of an impact it's gonna have on our residential we are a one-way small cul-de-sac we already have issues with uh traffic coming in and out of the street and so with that much um traffic coming through with museum buses things like that we just want to have it that being very clear of how that's going to um affect our living I'm not sure if there's any and we might have more questions um so at some point if there's a way that we can have a meeting that's not at 11 o'clock or at 3 30 in the afternoon would be great for the other neighbors to be able to come right thank you ma'am you're always welcome to speak to staff after this meeting as well maybe we'll facilitate some questions for you if that's okay director wonderful thank you thank you anyone else sound up to speak all right well now close the public hearing um and do I hear a motion I move the planning commission recommend approval of use permit 2-0 two six six with 15 conditions as found in the agenda package second we have a motion on the floor for approval of use permit application number 25066 with 15 conditions there are any questions or comments by the commissioners go ahead miss rogers has the issue of traffic been addressed by staff do we have a estimation of what the impact will be yes um so within our conditions we include that all drop offs and circulation has to be happening in the parking lot um so not a lot of that will be going on in Edgewood that answers the question thank you any other commissioners have questions or comments I do have a comment I I do believe that having this art museum and uh Miss Margaret Lefranc I think she's a very important person in art history uh what I don't like is the location and I think that uh moving forward uh in general uh our city we just need to start planning and looking at different districts and what they're gonna be in the future and I think just putting an art museum in a random shopping space I don't think that's the best use of that building or that property even though it is tax revenue but I think we just have to be forward looking and kind of think of that.

So for that reason, nothing against the art museum and the people that were in touch, but I think just as a planning and as a location, that's my reason I'll be voting no on this.

Uh Madam Clerk, can you call the roll, please?

Commissioner Griffith.

Hi.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Aye.

Commissioner Brooks.

Aye.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Muggler.

Aye.

Commissioner Deprofio.

Hi.

Chair Harris.

Nay.

That motion carries.

Thank you, ma'am.

Right.

The next public hearing item is 25-0305.

This is to consider a revocation of the use permit issued to Chances Restaurant and Lounge for a restaurant three in the downtown business DT1 district at 555 Settlers Landing Road Suite M and N.

Portion of LRSN 2002960 due to violations of conditions contained in the use permit.

Here to present on behalf of staff is Deputy Director Stephen Lynch and Patrolman Zimmonkowski.

Commissioners, good afternoon.

For your consideration, we're here to present the proposed revocation of use permit number 25-0028.

The subject of this use permit is Chances Restaurant and Lounge, located at 555 Settlers Landing Road Suites M and N.

Revoking on Use Permit.

A use permit may be revoked for any violation of a term or condition of the permit.

Procedures to consider a revocation of a use permit are the same as those to approve a use permit.

This is the general location of the business operation.

This is a more specific location, offer the settlers landing road and the site of the business operation.

Just to give you a little history, the application for the use permit to change uses from restaurant two to restaurant three was submitted on July 7, 2023.

The use permit for restaurant three use with live entertainment and on-premises alcohol sales was approved on March 23, 2024.

The business opened in October of 2024 with the operating hours of Sunday through Thursday, 5 a.m.

to 12 a.m.

Fridays through Saturday, 5 a.m.

to 2 a.m.

Use permit conditions were put in place.

Number seven dealt with security.

Permit holder was provided security personnel to permit the permit holder must provide security personnel to monitor inside and outside of the premises.

A security staffing must be sufficient to monitor and control patron behavior inside as well as upon exiting of the building.

All criminal activity must be reported to the Hampton Police Department.

Staff must cooperate with Hampton Police Division in their investigation of any and all criminal activity.

Use permit condition number nine dealt with the ABC license.

Permit holder must obtain and maintain all applicable license to conduct the business, including the Virginia ABC license necessary to serve alcohol.

The permit holder must comply with all restrictions or requirements imposed by the VABC.

Use permit condition number 10, compliance.

Use permit may be terminated for any violation of federal, state, or local law.

Use permit may be terminated if permit holder is no longer registered to transact business in Virginia or allows its corporate existence to lapse.

Good evening, everyone.

My name is Officer Zminkowski.

I'm the consolidated enforcement officer for the Hampton Police Division.

Tonight I've been asked to give a brief overview of our interaction at Chances and provide some context to the comments made by Steve.

As mentioned by staff, Chances Restaurant Lounge began operating October 2024.

Since there have been consistent reports of fights from the business, and officers have been dispatched on multiple occasions to break up these fights as well as multiple firearms-related incidents.

Tonight I'm going to go through four firearms-related incidents because of their uh public safety ratifications that they present.

They won't be an exhaustive list of all calls for service that we've responded to, but these are the ones that we want to highlight for you to talk about the potential violence as well as the need for us to go ahead and revoke this uh use permit.

First, these incidents that I want to speak to occur on July 3rd, 2025 in the area of chances at about 9 30.

Shots were heard by officers who were at our headquarter building a few blocks away.

The officers responded to this shots fired complaint where they made contact with the security team and established that all parties involved had fled the scene.

Through our investigation, we were able to determine that two females had left Chances Bar, responded to the parking lot, had retrieved a firearm at some point, came back to the parking lot, got into a confrontation with the people that they had already had a confrontation with previously inside the club, at which point the suspect produced a firearm from her person, fired one shot into the air, fired multiple shots into the air.

Those cartridge casings were collected and the officers conducted an investigation.

Security was unable to identify the suspects involved despite being on scene at the property in front of the business.

The second call service that I want to highlight for you today occurred on May 1st, 2025 at approximately 11 p.m.

Individual with gun complaint was received by HPD.

Officers responded and attempted to locate the suspect.

They did make contact with security who was stationed outside of the club, and they were unable to get any witness statements to that effect.

Responded to the parking lot located behind the lounge, retrieved a rifle, which he concealed on his person.

He's seen entering or coming up to the business with this rifle concealed inside of his pants, takes it out in plain view and sits outside of Stillwater in the area in front of us, right here by this transformer, staring directly at the door of chances with this rifle in hand in plain view.

Again, I will emphasize the security was outside.

We received no calls for service in regards to this incident from the security who were working that night.

It's unclear what the suspect intended to do, whether this was a threat or he intended to shoot somebody who was walking out of the business.

After several moments of standing outside the business with a rifle in hand, that suspect would eventually leave the property.

The third instant that we want to talk about would be the homicide that occurred on May 5th, 2025.

At around 10 30 at night, HBD responded for a large fight in front of the business.

This call was upgraded to a shooting quickly, and officers were able to respond.

Tempted life-saving efforts on the victim who eventually succumbed to their wounds.

Finally, I want to talk about the most recent incident and the reason why we're here today, which would be September 20th, 2025.

At approximately 1 30 in the morning, again, officers who were in the area heard shots fired and responded to the business to investigate.

Upon responding, they made contact with security who is stationed outside of the lounge.

At this time, security gave information which turned out to be false in regards to the suspect's description.

They were outside, they had confronted the suspect with a firearm, and I'm going to show you that video tonight, not for shock value, but simply to show that our concerns is regards to security out front of the business.

Later it would be revealed that the two unrelated shooters began firing their weapons into the air independently, causing mass panic and striking a building nearby twice with gunfire.

Unbeknownst to the officers, because nobody from the security team informed them, one of the suspects had remained on scene and was possibly still armed.

Officers responded to the parking lot and actually made contact with this suspect.

During this time, they checked on the suspect, not realizing that he was in fact the individual who was shooting, trying to make sure he was okay.

Again, I will emphasize that security gave a misleading description, basically describing the suspect as an individual who was not the person shooting.

They were telling they were not able to identify or to tell the officers that this was in fact the shooter, despite confronting him with a firearm.

Additionally, when the shots were being fired, one of the security team members blocked the front door to prevent anyone from seeking shelter inside of the business.

HPD's investigation revealed that the shooter was a patron of the business who was celebrating their birthday.

They exited into the parking lot where they took out their firearm from their vehicle, held it in the air, and began firing, which you'll see in the videos that I'm about to show you.

In addition to all the shots fired that were occurring in the front of the business, officers had to divert resources to multiple fights that were occurring behind the business on Hampton History Way near the Hampton History Museum.

These fights resulted in one of the intoxicated parties becoming at rate and punching out a window to another business.

So in this one instance, we see that there were three businesses or two businesses damaged, two shots that ended up finding their way into a building.

There was two shooters, one of which has been identified and charged accordingly.

One arrest out of the situation, and again, security was not able to assist us as either witnesses or to help their own patrons who they are responding to protect.

So briefly, I'm gonna go ahead and show you the video from these incidents.

These will be brief clips.

The first will come from the east side of the business.

The second will come from the north side of the business or the south side.

I apologize.

There is audio in this, so just don't be alarmed, there will be multiple gunshots in this video.

The suspect is going to be next to that dark gray uh BMW.

So you can see in this video, a suspect is firing up into the air.

This would be the individual that we talked about who is celebrating their birthday that night at the lounge, came out to the car and went ahead and fired multiple rounds in the air and was eventually uh arrested by HBD.

This caused mass panic, which you're gonna see in this next video from the individuals that are outside of this lounge.

Um we're gonna go and play this clip briefly.

I'd like you to pay attention to the two individuals in front, one of which is wearing a black hoodie with white lettering.

He's a member of the security team, as well as the female with the vest.

Additionally, the individual in a red hoodie who's seated at the seating area is with their security team.

Um I'll emphasize again that when the shots were fired, the doors are blocked to prevent people from fleeing into the business to seek shelter, and the individual in the red hoodie who's part of the security team chooses to draw their firearm, pointing it towards the parking lot where the suspect is, and then eventually we'll point it at patrons who are just fleeing the area.

So the shots continue to ring out.

You see the individuals are panicking.

Um again, securities has got their weapons drawn, and in just a moment you're gonna see them point that firearm towards the parking lot where people are fleeing to.

Vehicles are passing by, the shooter will be to the right of this frame.

Again, you see he's now pointing his firearm at patrons who are just lying on the ground attempting to get out of harm's way.

Um, the reason why we wanted to show this and bring this up to you is because this is commonplace at chances to have people outside of this business who are armed who are loitering and mingling outside of the business where chances has said on multiple occasions that they have no control over.

But these are their patrons.

These people are mingling with their patient patrons, they're talking to their security, they're staying there for long periods of time, and this is how these incidents have started to occur.

Each of these instances that I've highlighted for you are outside of the business.

However, despite being outside of the business, these are still people that have been that have come to chances, and each of these still images that I've shown you today have been right before the incidents have occurred.

So you'll see these crowds on all these occasions are going to be standing right outside of the business at the time.

I'm gonna turn it back over to Steve, and then I have a little bit more to talk about HPD's efforts and how we've been able to try to keep these incidents from occurring.

Um, but you see that we have repeated firearms-related incidents, and this is not including the fights or any of the other calls for service that we've had out there.

I want to speak to you about the uh ABC compliance for the business.

On May 8, 2025, Virginia ABC suspended the license due to permit holders' failure to take responsible measures to prevent an act of violence.

And this is a reference to the May 5th homicide that occurred.

May 21, 2025, VABC reinstates the license subject to additional security conditions.

On October 1, 2025, VABC revokes the permit holder's license for violating the May 21 security conditions, citing incidents on September 6th, 13th, and 20th.

Uh there are other incidents that have occurred and other violations that have occurred.

Uh I put these up for your information.

These are less violent incidents than the ones that have been cited in the past, but duly noted there were other incidents that have occurred at this business location.

Sorry, playing leapfrog, everyone.

So we talked about that this wouldn't be an overall scope of a response HBD has, but I want to touch on it briefly that when looking at cost service at chances, we have to be careful.

This one address hosts multiple businesses to include a bar right next door, which will be the Stillwater Tavern.

So what we did when we were looking at cost for service analysis was we took only cost of service that either involved the bar directly, or we were able to tell that patrons came out of that bar.

And in that analysis, we found there are 25 calls for service year to date, as well as three calls of service that were fights directly.

We wanted to make sure to highlight those because as HBD's response has escalated, we've had to bring in more officers.

We've had to do entire shift responses when you have a crowd of 50 to 100 people who are outside that you need to manage.

We're starting to get towards the point of crowd management as opposed to a simple investigation, especially when you're trying to locate witnesses that may be spread out over multiple blocks, which is what we had on September 20th.

There has been public concern brought on by these fights and firearms related offenses, and in response, HPD has taken extraordinary efforts to make sure that we are out there and that we are showing a presence.

We understand that it's important to make sure that we are covering this area, which is why an evid officer, business improvement district officer, has been assigned to the area, where his primary goal is to make sure the downtown area is covered and that he's on top of these issues.

But again, that pulls from our manpower that we already have.

We all also have deployed an Arctic camera.

Arctic stands for real-time information center.

That's the view that you're seeing on all of these external videos.

So when you ask, how are we telling that the patrons are coming out of chancers coming into chances interacting with the people that are at the lounge?

We're able to determine that through the real-time information center camera.

Um, in recent weeks, we've had to post a light tower after the September 20th shooting to encourage people to leave the area once they've finished at the bar or once they finished at the lounge.

Um, and officers are also been outside at closing time to make sure that we aren't having those crowds appear because we're seeing this theme of the crowds are appearing in the front, there are weapons laws that follow.

Um, so that is what HBD has been trying to do.

But again, these are extraordinary efforts for a business that hasn't really changed its mode of operation since October 2024 and doesn't show any signs that they will be doing that in a meaningful way to protect their own patrons.

Again, I'd like to review the grounds for revocation or the proposed revocation that's in front of you.

Pattern of violence incidents and ineffectiveness of permit holders' responses indicates security staffing is not sufficient to monitor and control patron behavior.

Uh that is related to get condition number seven in the use permit conditions.

Continued valence indicates that the permit holder does not fully report all criminal activity or cooperate with HPD investigations.

Again, that is also related to condition number seven in the use permit.

Multiple VABC violations document that the permit holder does not comply with all restrictions or requirements imposed by VABC.

That is related specifically to condition number nine in the use permit.

October 1 revocation of the VABC license indicate permits holder failure to obtain and maintain all applicable license to conduct business related to condition number nine as well in the use permit.

The city May 15th notice of violation regarding indoor smoking indicates permit holders violations of state law, and that's related to condition number 10.

There are other additional notices here.

On May 6th, the notice of violation regarding window tents indicate permissive permit holders violation of condition number four regarding window transparency in the use permit.

The permit holders entity status with the state corporation commission is pending inactivity or inactive, excuse me, which, if not correct it will cause its legal existence to lap, and that's specifically related to condition number 10 in the use permit.

The business impacts.

The use permit for the ABC licenses are specific to the applicant permit holder and cannot be transferred to a new owner or manager.

This is specifically identified in conditions number one and number nine.

One of the reasons we're going through these business impacts, we received a letter from the premises owner inquiring what would be the future impact to his location if another business is also interested in coming to operate at the site.

So we are reviewing these to make it apparent what that situation is.

Subsequent tenant owners of the premises are required to seek a new use permit to engage in a regulated use at this site.

And because of this revoking the permit holder's use permit will not impact future business opportunities or operations at this site.

In concluding, uh the permit holder is present uh and he would like an opportunity to speak.

Uh we would ask that be permitted.

Then next the public hearing will be conducted.

And the final action, staff recommends revocation of use permit application number 24-028.

We will address any questions that you have at this time.

Thank you, Mr.

Lynch.

Anybody have questions for staff?

Or Hampton PD.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Would the applicant please come forward?

Is the applicant still here?

Okay.

Is there anyone else signed up to speak?

No.

Okay.

Well, go ahead.

We should have Mr.

Smith who is signed up on the wrong sheet if you're trying to give him the opportunity.

Mr.

Smith, can you come up, please?

Thank you for that.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm still Howard Smith, and I'm still a bit embarrassed about I was traveling getting in late last night.

On a personal note, I'm sorry, the two gentlemen with whom I dealt at chances were always very pleasant, and they spent a lot of money.

I don't know if you've had the opportunity to go and did a really nice job.

Regrettably, the clientele, especially late at night, got a kind of been unruly.

And as the gentleman outlined, there were a number of difficulties.

I was in the process of terminating their lease anyway.

Um just was not working.

So I'm my concern as as noted, I'm just worried prospective tenants and how what this permission might do would affect that.

So I'll defer to your good judgment.

Thank you.

Well, I'm sorry.

Thank you, Mr.

Smith.

Thank you.

Anyone?

Okay.

I might add one.

Go ahead.

Come on, Mr.

Smith.

The police acted so very responsibly.

They really did.

I met officer with Kowski and they did a really good job.

And I am a partner in the building that was shot, unfortunately.

It's in close proximity.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Do I hear a motion?

Mr.

Chair, if I may, I'd like to just give a brief procedural background on what we're considering.

Please, please, counsel.

I don't believe many of the commissioners have considered the revocation of a use permit before.

Um so you may revoke a or you may recommend revocation of a use permit for violation of any of the terms of the permit.

Um the bolded language that you saw in the presentation were direct quotations from the conditions.

Uh the procedure is exactly the same for granting a use permit, which is why this is before you today, and what you would vote on is a recommendation to city council to revoke or not to revoke this permit.

Thank you, Council.

Any comments?

Commissioner Rogers, you have the floor.

If the permit is revoked, what happens then?

Is the business just shuttered?

Is there any recourse?

Um is it a legal matter that has to go through the court system?

So once this matter is considered by council, and if they do choose to revocate it, we believe that it could be appealed to circuit court.

In the meantime, would the business be allowed to continue to operate or would it be closed?

Practically, I do not believe they have an ABC license.

I don't know if that would prohibit them operating entirely.

Um, but the permit is not revoked until it's revoked.

Um I also believe there has been some commissioner revenue enforcement at the location and that they might actually not have the the permit holder that might not actually currently have access to the premises right now.

Thank you.

Any of the other commissioners?

Do I hear a motion?

Um I move that the planning commission recommend revocation of use permit 24-0028.

Second.

Well, I guess one point of clarification.

I'm going off of what's on the um on the screen.

Yeah, do we have a new correction on that?

Is it 25-0305?

It should be 0028.

Yeah, yes.

Well, the the new okay.

So you should use the 24-0028.

Um my motion stands.

Thank you.

Second.

We have a motion on the floor for we have a pro motion on the floor for revocation of use permit application number 24-028.

Any questions or comments by the commissioners?

Only comment I have is, you know, it's unfortunate.

I think uh Hampton PD has tried to work with this location.

I think in Hampton, our goal is to be uh a place to keep people open for places open for business, and we're here and we want you to bring your businesses here at the same time.

Uh we want to let you know we want to keep a safe city, and then so you know it it affects our reputation.

And so this is unfortunate that we have to do this, but I think it's necessary because I think we've taken all the measures.

So thank you for all the people who have worked on this and Hampton PD for your work as well.

So uh Madam Clerk, can you call the roll, please?

Commissioner Griffith?

Aye.

Vice Chair Rogers, aye.

Commissioner Brooks, aye.

Commissioner Coleman, Commissioner Muggler?

Aye.

Commissioner DeProfio?

Aye.

Chair Harris.

Aye.

That motion carries.

Right.

So for the next four items, we will have one presentation.

So I will read all of those items in.

First is 25-0018.

It's an ordinance to amend and re reenact the zoning ordinance of the city of Hampton, Virginia, by adding an amending section 1-37 entitled Accessory Dwelling Units to Create Regulations and Standards for Accessory Dwelling Units.

Next is 25-0019, an ordinance to amend and reenact the zoning ordinance of the City of Hampton, Virginia by amending section 2-2 entitled Definitions to add a definition of accessory dwelling units, ADU, and to amend the definition of dwelling area.

Also 25-0268, an ordinance to amend and reenact chapter 4 of the zoning ordinance of the City of Hampton, Virginia entitled one and two family residential districts to eliminate the permitted additional standards and uses in our our district and to add language regarding the required minimum dwelling area for all principal dwellings and all one and two family residential districts.

Lastly, 25-0269, an ordinance to amend and reenact chapter 11 of the zoning ordinance of the city of Hampton, Virginia, entitled parking to amend the parking requirements for accessory dwelling units in all one and two family residential districts.

Here to present on behalf of staff is city planner Quinn Heinrich and Chief Planner Donald Whipple.

Thank you.

Members of the Commission.

As the Secretary just read, there uh we have before you today zoning ordinance amendments that impact chapters one, two, four, and eleven as they pertain to modifications associated with permitting accessory dwelling units within the city of Hampton.

And what is an accessory dwelling unit?

Uh essentially it is a smaller secondary housing unit on a one-family residential lot.

And they typically come in two forms.

Uh the first is the detached, which is uh as you might uh imagine it is a standalone uh structure that is secondary to the primary structure on a given lot.

And then the other form is through an attached, uh what we call attached ADUs, which are either uh currently exist, a portion that currently exists at a principal dwelling, or it's an addition to be constructed.

Either way, the purpose uh of using this area within the existing uh principal dwelling is for an accessory dwelling unit.

So some background here is uh staff in the city of Hampton also consider this to be an opportunity to increase housing opportunities within the city and within the city's neighborhoods.

And so why ADUs?

Uh they can provide an economic and efficient use of an existing uh parcel where there's already uh housing that exists, so it's you know amplifying or increasing the amount of residential with already within uh a residential area or residential neighborhood.

Uh it's also adapting a uh one family residential property to support additional residents.

Uh in this case, uh in most instances ADUs are intended to uh extend the stages of life within one uh single property, and then also uh providing greater diversity uh and supporting uh all populations and in particular ADUs are attractive to young adults and to senior adults, and it's also uh uh provides homeowners with a means of uh obtaining additional income.

And so the timeline roughly about a year ago is we uh started this process uh through doing research uh with what is uh what are ADUs, what's happening uh with our state legislation, what was happening with our uh uh our sister cities uh in the region here, and then um then we transitioned from that into uh community engagement and then uh having some briefings.

We just had a briefing with uh this commission uh last month, and and during the summer we started uh crafting and finalizing the proposed amendments that were asking you to act on today.

And so regarding that research, we looked at uh if you look across the top bar of this chart here on the next few pages, you look at the the localities here in the region.

We looked at Newprenews, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Southwark, Virginia Beach, and Chesapeake.

And in the left column, those that those are the attributes that we looked at, attached versus detached, how many uh per lot, the minimum lot size, the setbacks within a lot, the square footage of the actual dwelling units, uh, exterior access, uh parking requirements, uh, should they be owner-occupied, uh, excluded uses, and then lastly the the type of permit or how we would administer such an ordinance.

So I also mentioned community engagement, and there was a citywide survey that went out, and we had 363 responses to that survey.

And we also uh convened a steering group, a 12 uh participant steering group to really dig into the meat of uh what we're proposing through these uh ordinance amendments.

And then we also uh consulted our interdepartmental uh partners, the city attorney's office public works, and our public safety divisions, whether it's fire, police, or dispatch.

And so uh just taking a step back to look at some of the survey results.

Again, we asked uh participants to rank uh or their priority of each of the goals, and you see the top uh vote getters, if you will, was multi-generational living and housing affordability, kind of in the middle there was neighborhood compatibility as well as economic benefits, and the least importance was uh administrative facility or feasibility, excuse me.

And then this was an open-ended question basically uh around uh your once familiarity with ADUs, and uh you see in the blue there, uh 48% would consider adding an ADU to their property.

Uh next there in the red was 28%, 26% had never even heard of an ADU or had no experience.

And then uh in the yellow, 14% have at least seen one or lived with one, so some limited knowledge there.

Another uh open-ended question was how do you uh as a respondent survey respondent, how would you uh propose to use an ADU?

And uh overwhelmingly the majority, 43% was saw it as being used as a family unit.

And then the next uh ideas there were either uh using it with respect to single young professionals, college students, and renters, and then and so forth.

Again, this is an open-ended question, so there were a lot of different uh respondents there.

And then uh turning our focus back to the stakeholder group, again, mentioned that it was uh a 12 member stakeholder group, and what we really tried to accomplish is about half of the group uh was a representative representation, a broad representation of residents uh throughout the city.

And so we really tried to uh get a um a broad representation there.

And then uh again, just under a half uh at the bottom there in green, really trying to reach out to the diverse population that we talked about.

Uh again, if we're dealing with seniors, um, you know, the Peninsula Agency on Aging, uh disabled population, uh Community Service Board, um, Hampton University, with again trying to reach out to that student population.

And then, of course, uh in the middle there, we did have representation from our real estate and construction and builders uh partners.

And so the outcomes uh based on all this community input, the research, the steering group committee uh staff is recommending today a phased approach that is that informed and that we're implementing uh an ADU policy that would emphasize safety as well as family unity.

And I'm gonna turn it over now to uh Quinn who's gonna walk you to through the particulars of the actual amendments that are being proposed today.

Thank you, Donald, and uh good evening, planning commission.

So the amendments to this ordinance um, as mentioned before will concern chapters one, two, four, and eleven of the Hampton zoning ordinance.

We'll go in sequential order.

So chapter one is where the majority of the additional standards and regulations for ADUs will lie.

Uh the goal of the standards is to minimize the impact of additional housing units or ADUs within the existing one-family residential neighborhoods they will be in.

Um they will also ensure that the ADUs that are constructed remain accessory to the principal dwellings, and then also permit specific uses within ADUs.

So the first main standard is that we will only allow a maximum of one ADU on any one lot.

This is consistent with what other localities in the region have done in their ADU ordinances, and we want to remain or remain consistent with them.

Uh for there will be no minimum lot requirements for ADUs.

So any lot in the city, um, including substandard lots, provided they meet the other standards in this ordinance would technically be allowed to have an ADU.

Setback requirements are based on mostly on what is there already.

So attached ADUs will need to meet setback requirements for base zoning districts or of the principal dwelling, um, the same way an addition would.

Detached ADUs will need to meet the setback requirements that an accessory structure, such as a detached garage would have to do.

Normally it's three feet on the sides and five feet to the rear.

Detached ADUs will also need to meet the 20% rear lot coverage requirement.

So a maximum of 20% of the rear yard can be used for ADUs and other accessory structures together.

The reason we kept those requirements in place was partly for stormwater concerns.

Any increase in impervious area would require much stricter regulations for stormwater, and so we thought this would be a simpler way to make to prevent any increased erosion or flooding.

And then also for potentially for privacy of neighbors who might have an ADU very close to their door.

The maximum dwelling area for ADUs will be capped at 800 square feet.

Um for smaller dwellings, it would be 50% of the area of the principal dwelling.

But if a dwelling be goes over twice 800 square feet or 1600 square feet, then any large dwelling 800 square feet would still be the maximum.

The maximum height for ADUs will be capped at 16 feet or the height of the principal dwelling.

The exception for this is in the flood zone, where we measure height based on the design of flood elevation rather than grade.

Should an ADU be built in a property with an existing dwelling that was built before the flood zone ordinance was in place.

Um the existing dwelling's height will be permit or the new ADU's height will be permitted to be higher than the existing dwelling because of the increased elevation requirements that they would have to go through.

ADUs will not be allowed to be used as short-term rentals.

Um this is partly in response to a plurality of survey responses that indicated that they disagreed with having them used together, as you can see on the slide.

Um it's also because ADUs and short-term rentals are both uses that the city wants, and we don't want them to be in competition with each other.

They serve distinctive purposes.

This requirement does not apply to existing short-term rentals that are located within ADUs.

It is only for new ADUs that are constructed, cannot be used as short-term rentals.

In the interest of safety, the principal access to an ADU will need to connect to the right-of-way with a safe and accessible path of ingress and egress.

And lastly, the property owner will need to reside on the premises either in the principal dwelling or the ADU.

They would not be allowed to rent both out simultaneously.

Non-conforming AD or principal dwellings as defined on this slide also will generally be allowed to permit ADUs.

So attached ADUs located on lots or on structures that are legally non-conforming or would be permitted, provided that the ADU does not create any new nonconformity or increase the degree of an existing nonconformity.

And an existing detached accessory structure that does not meet our requirements can be converted to a detached ADU, again, provided it doesn't make any nonconformities worse or create new ones.

And also we would still cap the ADU at 800 square feet, even if the accessory structure that's built in is larger.

Oops.

And something new that wasn't seen in the briefing.

There are currently standards for ADUs that apply only to the Buckrow Bayfront districts, which are BB1, BB2, and BB3.

This is a very small number of parcels.

There's currently only about 50 dwellings that are in zone lots that are zoned with those designations.

And the standards that are in chapter one are going to supersede the existing standards for the Buckrow Bay front districts.

So any existing ADUs will not need to comply, but any new ADUs that are constructed in Buckrow Bay Front will need to comply with these new standards.

So that concludes chapter one.

The amendments to chapter one.

Chapter two, we are amending to add a new definition of accessory dwelling unit to read as follows: a secondary dwelling unit established in conjunction with and clearly subordinate to a principal dwelling unit, whether part of the same structure as principal dwelling unit or an attached ADU, or as a detached structure on the same lot containing a separate kitchen, bathroom, or sleeping area, or and sleeping area, which would be a detached ADU.

We've also amended the definition of dwelling area to better accommodate ADUs as we've defined them.

In chapter four, we've added the word principal in front of every use of the word dwelling in the sections above that are in the one and two family residential districts to.

And then we've also deleted the following language in Article 3, Section 4-21 in the rural residential or RR district that discusses guest houses and servant quarters.

We believe the language is outdated and also it is redundant with the ADU ordinance that we've created.

Chapter 11, which concerns parking, we're we are amending the parking requirements so that new ADUs will in most cases not need to provide any additional parking spaces.

The exception for when they would is if they front on a right-of-way that prohibits parking on one or both sides of the street.

If there's no on-street parking on one or both sides, then they will need to provide one off-street parking space on the premises.

The reason that we chose that route for parking, um first, it preserves and protects neighborhood character by reducing any potential challenges or changes to the way parking is done.

And lastly, additional surface parking will negatively impact the City of Hampton's resilience objectives by creating unnecessary impervious area.

It's also a space and cost barrier potentially to the construction of ADUs.

So for any new applicant who wants to build an ADU will need to apply through staff or for a zoning administrator permit or ZAP.

They'll also need to apply for a building permit and potentially other requ mechanical electrical or plumbing permits as needed.

Once staff has reviewed those applications, they will we will conduct an inspection to check compliance with the conditions and the plans.

And then once the ZAP is issued, after that, they will obtain a certificate of occupancy.

Should there be any complaints or ADUs being operated without a zap or permits, this is an overview of the enforcement process that begins with a notice of violation and potentially could end with court orders and fines.

So to summarize we have the amendments will add additional standards for accessory dwelling units in chapter one will define what an accessory dwelling unit is in chapter two.

Refining clarify language for principal dwellings in chapter four and amend parking requirements in chapter 11.

So that concludes our presentation and once again staff recommends approval of zoning ordinance amendments number 25-0018, 25-0019, 25-0268 and 25-0269.

Thank you and staff is available for any questions that you may have there any questions from the commissioners for staff.

Thank you Mr.

Heinrich do we have a motion uh I move to uh the planning commission to recommend approval zoning ordinance amendments 25-caring force haven't opened the public hearing on this I apologize.

Are there any speakers signed up?

And I will open and close the public hearing and we'll go back to uh our start over yes all right thank you Mr.

Chair uh I move the planning commission recommend approval of the zoning ordinance amendments 25-0018 25-0019 25-0268 and 25-0269 is there a second second we have a motion and a second on the floor for zoning ordinance amendments number 2500 one eight twenty five zero zero one nine twenty five zero two six eight and twenty five zero two six nine madam clerk will you call the roll um sorry I I I think that there were also going to be amendments to the motion oh are there amendments to motion I I please sorry I have an amendment um on um item three related to setback of any ADU uh the setback of a minimum of three feet on the side lot and five feet on the rear lot recommended change the three feet to five feet on the minimum of the side lot yes and this is for a detached so I I believe that was a motion to amend the text as it was provided to you yes it is yes isn't is a uh amendment needed to clarify the um buck row um issue I was going to suggest that next but I thought you might want to consider those issues separately okay thank you um should we um should the person who made the motion uh um acknowledge whether he accepts the amendment to the motion I I'd be best okay um as stated the amendments to the motion I accept as part of the motion I also accept do we need a second so I'm sorry yeah we would also uh welcome your direction to make a couple of corrections to the text before we send it to city council um and I'd be happy to assist in stating a motion for that but the changes would be in proposed uh section one thirty seven five the first line would read dwellings shall comply with the following maximum dwelling area requirements and then uh uh proposed uh new section one thirty seven thirteen which would specify that these standards supersede any uh contrary standards in the Buck Roy districts we also have a motion to uh to incorporate those as well I I believe so yes thank you as stated the uh amendment language that was just stated can be warped into the motion I agree so I guess just to sort of recap because you know we've um so we would basically what's on the floor is an amended motion that incorporates um commissioner mugler's amendment as well as uh the amendment that was uh provided by staff thank you we good yes um I just wanted to specify that if you chose you could vote on the amendments separately in case you didn't want to adopt them all at one time um in addition so that would um I think uh so is it is it correct to assume that the motion on the floor incorporates now that uh the person who made the motion and the person that seconded the motion incorporates the amendments

Thank you.

We good?

Yes.

Um, I just wanted to specify that if you chose you could vote on the amendments separately in case you didn't want to adopt them all at one time.

Um in addition, so that would I think uh so is it is it correct to assume that the motion on the floor incorporates now that uh the person who made the motion and the person that seconded the motion incorporates the amendments that were discussed.

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner, should we have any more discussion or questions before we go to vote?

Madam Clerk, would you call the roll, please?

Commissioner Griffith?

Aye.

Vice Chair Rogers.

Aye.

Commissioner Brooks?

Aye.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Muggler?

Aye.

Commissioner DeProfio?

Aye.

Chair Harris.

And that motion carries.

All right.

The last public hearing item is 25-0267.

This is an ordinance to amend and reenact the zoning ordinance of the City of Hampton, Virginia by amending Chapter 14, titled Reviews by the Planning Commission and City Council by adding a new Article 3 titled Community Meetings.

Here to present on behalf of staff as City Planner Quinn Heinrich.

Yes, so this is zoning ordinance amendment number 25-0267.

This will amend Chapter 14 to add a new section that requires community meetings to be held for any use permit rezoning and other conditional zoning applications.

So while currently staff requests and encourages most applicants for use permits and rezonings to conduct a community meeting.

Second, they allow the applicant and staff to hear community feedback and potentially address concerns before formal public hearings are held.

And third, they provide an opportunity for the planning commission and city council to hear community support or concerns through the staff summary of the community meeting discussion.

And some of the considerations that may come up in community meetings include um issues that affect public health, safety and general welfare, other good zoning practices that are identified in the state code, um, some mitigation of impacts to surrounding community infrastructure and environment, and evaluating the consistency with the comprehensive plan and other adopted policies of the city.

So the summary of what the ordinance will do.

This is mainly because we believe that is when it is most likely that members of the community will have availability to attend.

That is because that is the deadline for staff for a complete application, and so we want to ensure that it is done by then so that it can get a complete application can get on the planning commission agenda.

Um the applicant, the second section, the applicant must provide notice of the meeting to property owners and neighborhood groups within a quarter mile of the subject property and to community development staff.

Um that section also prescribes the required content for notices, including identification of the subject property and description of proposed uses and development.

Um at least one community development staff member will be required to attend the community meeting as an observer and a note taker, and a summary of their notes will be included in the planning commission and city council staff reports.

Um there are two main exceptions to this new ordinance amendment.

One where a government entity or where the applicant or property owner is a government entity, they will be exempt from the mandatory community meeting requirement, though they may still voluntarily elect to conduct a community meeting.

Um the community development director may decrease or otherwise adjust the notice area in appropriate cases for geographic reasons.

Um so in conclusion, uh staff recommends approval of zoning ordinance amendment number 25-0267.

Thank you.

And staff is available for any questions that you may have.

Are there any questions from the commissioners?

Yes, Commissioner Griffith.

Yes, sir.

So I was curious if any language is going to be uh included or plan to be included about the methods of communication to um stakeholders in the area about how to communicate with them exactly.

Uh so that they meet the threshold.

You know, like the requirements of you know, is it direct mail phone call, you know, robocalls, whatever.

Like are they meeting as an applicant the threshold to communicate if they do one of those two things or I'll like how to how to actually communicate the message to like what method of communication will actually be done to the neighboring groups?

I'll defer to I think to the director on that.

Sorry.

Yeah, I'm not sure that we specifically specify currently in the ordinance we do and mail.

Email and mail is how we currently specify the communication.

Okay.

We have that in the presentation.

Uh it's it is not in the presentation, I don't believe.

But yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thanks for clarifying.

Um if it's email, how would you obtain the email of the stakeholders in the area as an applicant?

Effectively.

I mean, Madam Ms.

Jeremy, I address the commission since I um good afternoon.

I'm Courtney State North the City Attorney, and I actually helped draft the ordinance.

I'll just go ahead and try to respond to your question.

It says that they will provide by mail, and then for any of the community organizations that city staff is able to give them an email address for, then they would provide them the email address and they would have to send it to them.

And we did it that way just because we didn't want to obligate the applicants to try to find email addresses that they may not have, but if the city staff gives them the email address for a community organization, they would need to send it to them by email.

That makes sense.

Thank you very much.

Any other questions?

I have a couple questions.

Um I know this body has frequently asked, were community meetings held.

You indicated that perhaps council has asked that of applicants as well.

Are are citizens asking for this to be a requirement?

Um I'm not personally aware of one way or the other.

Um I know most citizens like in most cases, the majority of people have held community meetings in the past when we've done or like when we have requested, not all but most there has been occasion when people have said that they've not been notified.

So I'm a little concerned because the planning commission was told that the majority of applicants um do hold a meeting when they're requested to.

Um we were also advised that Norfolk requires a community meeting, but the other localities around us do not.

We hear so often that Hampton is there's a lot of hurdles to overcome for people wanting to bring businesses into Hampton.

And I feel like if the majority of applicants are already complying with the request, this adds another layer of what some people would consider red tape to the process of you know getting a building going or getting a business going.

Um in the packet, it described the process where the applicant would meet with a planner to identify the neighborhood organizations, um, mail and email these organizations as well as the property owners, they have to, of course, create and print a mailer to send out.

They have to schedule a meeting, they need to secure a place that's appropriate.

Um I'm happy that most applicants do this, and I see merit in that, but I also feel like if if we're trying to simplify the process for people to get businesses open or get buildings built, does this does this require another unnecessary layer of obligate excuse me, of obligation?

Um I appreciate the concern.

I will say that the this is something that can be done concurrently with a lot of the other steps.

It's not like we have to pause the other phases of the application in order to complete the community meeting.

Um yes, and again, also a lot of applicants have already been able to do this even and have continued to comply even with it being an optional requirement.

And I'll if the director has anything else to add.

Yeah.

No, I think you covered it.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yeah.

Madam Chair, if I might.

Yes.

Excuse me.

I think the intent of this is to actually streamline the process.

Um, because most people already do have the hearings, but then when there are folks who have not done it, council may ask them, have you held the pri have you held a public hearing?

And the answer is no, and that's slows down the process.

But if they know going into the process that it is an expectation rather than may, you may have a hearing that it will help expedite the process, if that makes any sense.

There are people already holding these hearings, but there are the few exceptions that don't.

And the intent is that we ensure that all the citizens uh and neighbors of these projects would be notified in advance and have some awareness of what the projects were all about.

Okay, thank you for that.

Um I realize that you know one's one person's red tape may be another person's guardrails.

Um again, I see the merit of doing this.

I just worry about how often we talk about making Hampton an easy friendly place for businesses to start up.

Um I don't know whether this is excessive regulation if most people are doing it already.

I do I do have some concerns about that.

Um thank you.

Um I think um I think one of the things that this helps avoid is people who you know may not want to go through that process because they're doing something that they think that the community would not like.

And so, you know, oftentimes that may come to the planning commission or come to the council, and the council asks the question, you know, have you held public hearing?

Do your neighbors sort of know what's going on?

Um and when they say no in that instance, then the council may defer it and say, okay, we're gonna defer this until you have your public hearing.

And so having the clarity up front that says that this is really the um the standard that we want to set um as um Commissioner Mugler had mentioned, really kind of make sure that everybody knows the rules of the road when they get into the process as opposed to getting sort of to this body or to the council, and because any concerns that we have that where there might be neighborhood impacts, we say, you know, we really think you need to talk to the neighborhood before we're ready to act on it.

And so that that I think is what we're what this is trying to accomplish.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Yes.

Madam Chairman, I think when we reflect on past meetings, we often ask that question.

And I think it's almost an expectation, a desire.

So I think it's a good thing that I plan to vote for.

Uh a couple years ago I found myself at this body on the other side of the microphone talking about how I'd gone through the neighborhood uh to get the pulse on how stakeholders felt about uh an upcoming use permit application that was going to this body uh because that work wasn't done.

So I feel like that doesn't happen 100% of the time.

I I think we know that data shows it doesn't, but sometimes I wish it would.

And um that's why I wish it would uh you know uh another great example is the Woods Orchard stuff that happened a few months ago and and that community outreach that engagement was I thought well done, but it still didn't cover the entire gamut of like there were folks who just did not have the capacity to meet their own uh at the required time or the time that the applicant had for them.

Uh and there was also not an easy way for some of the folks to get their feedback to the city about how they felt about it.

So um what we did, you know, and it's in my district, so what we did was, you know, we had a great communication back and forth about how to get stakeholders their feedback to the city in in alternative ways, but I think that this will go a long way in facilitating that uh opportunity to stakeholders.

So for that reason I did support it.

Is there anyone signed up to speak?

No.

I will open and close the public hearing.

Is there any additional discussion from commissioners?

Madam Clerk, please call excuse me, we need a motion.

Yes, um, thank you.

Um I move the planning commission recommend approval of zoning ordinance amendment twenty-five dash zero two six seven.

Commissioner Griffith.

Commissioner Coleman.

Commissioner Mugler.

I Commissioner De Profio.

Chair Harris And that motion carries.

And so now we move to items by the public.

No, there are not.

All right.

Are there any matters from the Commission?

Hearing none, this meeting is adjourned.

Hello, and welcome to Round Robin.

I'm your host, Robin McCormick with the City of Hampton.

And today I'm going to be talking with David Messick of Rainbow Puppets.

Welcome back.

Hello, it's good to be back.

We are.

We have a brand new show called Open a Book, Heroes and Legends, and it's all about heroes and legends from the state of Virginia.

Or that um bo uh Bill Bojangles Robinson was born in Richmond, and there's a wonderful statue of him and a great story about him in Richmond.

Um, the statue is in a park that's sort of a triangle with lots of fast moving traffic, and in his lifetime, uh, children were getting hurt or killed trying to cross the street.

And so he personally paid for traffic lights to be able to make people safer in his hometown of Richmond.

Well, how far back do you go in Virginia?

We go all the way back to Pocahontas and Palatin.

You most people probably know she was born uh in what's now called Gloucester.

There is Powhatan, her father and Pocahontas.

Hey.

And uh, probably dressed a little bit more than they would have been, but this is a puppet show.

That's right.

That's right.

And it it really is a terrific uh story to be able to talk a little bit about Pocahontas.

She's such a complex person.

But in the end, at least in the way we tell the story, she becomes her own person and she takes matters into her own hands and creates a bridge between the colonists and her people.

And during her lifetime, she created peace here in the States and a lot of understanding in England.

So she really was an amazing person.

And she really sacrificed her tradition, her culture, almost herself, to become acceptable and to be able to really work that piece across that bridge.

She did.

And uh I think what really fascinated me about her story is you'll see writings of the time where people suggest that she's coming to represent savages.

And then she goes to London.

And if you know anything about London, at the time she was there, it was a dreadful place.

The river was so polluted that the stench would come off of it, and you'd pray that the wind would blow in the other direction.

And people would throw their waste out of the windows, and they'd cut all the trees down in London.

So imagine being someone who really appreciated nature.

Oh, yeah.

Coming to London and saying, where are the trees and where's the clean water?

And even there was a cloud of smoke that would hang over the city.

So she actually probably pushed to help them understand you need to have some sort of balance.

So I I just love it.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Well, who else have you got in here?

Well, there's so many important Virginians.

There are.

And there's a lot of people.

And and if you go to see the book and say, Well, you left out.

Yes, I left out many people.

The litmus test for me was were they actually born in Virginia?

Did they accomplish something?

But then did they help someone else in the process?

So someone like Patsy Klein comes into the story because she was in a man's business.

Country music was absolutely a man's business.

And if you know anything about Patsy Clyde, she was really tough.

No nonsense.

And she a lot that allowed her to be successful in the business, but to also help people like Loretta Lynn navigate through the business and become quite successful.

So interesting.

And I we tell the story in the book of Arthur Ash, and there are just so many stories you could tell about Arthur Ash, but to me, using his fame to be able to push the needle in South Africa, I think is really the story worth telling.

Yes, great tennis player, but even more saying uh we have to treat people better than this.

And he did a great job of that.

Well, do you deal with the civil war at all?

We do.

We do talk about the end of the civil war.

Booker T.

Washington was born an enslaved person here in Virginia.

As soon as um here he is.

Yes, and we did find some pictures of him with a mustache.

At first, I said, Did he have a mustache?

And early on, perhaps he did.

What what I found fascinating is news did travel even before internet days, and people heard of the emancipation proclamation even before the war was over.

So Hampton ties into this story as well because the emancipation proclamation is read Hello, President Lincoln.

Yep, read for the first time in the South on the property of Hampton University under a giant oak tree.

Well, news of this we now call the emancipation.

We do indeed.

So they find out that he has emancipated people, but of course, it has no weight because the union does not control the South.

But the moment the war is over, the emancipation proclamation takes power.

So Booker T.

Washington goes to live with his stepfather in West Virginia, but he keeps hearing about this amazing school in Hampton.

Now get this.

No telephones.

He doesn't send a letter.

He just says, I'm going to get to that school, and if I get there, maybe they'll let me go to school.

And so he walked, hitch height, took took what whatever transportation mode he could afford from time to time and made his way absolutely filthy without a dime to the doorsteps of Hampton University.

And they are so impressed that he came with such faith to the school that he ended up getting an education.

He went back to West Virginia to become a teacher, but then when Hampton University starts wanting to teach Native Americans at the school, they wanted a teacher who could work with them.

And they thought instantly of Booker T.

They bring Booker T back, and he helps teach Native Americans on the campus.

When they're looking for someone to start a school in Tuskegee, they immediately think of him, and the rest is history.

And the story we tell in the show is about how he does not wait for someone else to create an opportunity.

He gets down to Tuskegee, Alabama to start this school.

There's no school.

So I said, Well, we're gonna build a school.

Well, we got no bricks.

And he said, Well, we gotta get some bricks.

Well, nobody's gonna sell us any bricks.

And then he says, Well, we'll make bricks.

And so they build a kiln oven and they start making bricks.

The kiln oven blows up.

He said, Well, we'll just have to try again.

They try once, twice, three times.

They're completely out of money.

He takes his watch, his gold watch, and pawns it and says, We're going to make bricks.

So the one thing he has left of value, he pawns, gets a fourth kiln oven, starts making bricks, and builds Tuskegee Institute.

And that school was a teacher's school.

So it doesn't just touch the lives of the students that are there.

Teach the teachers, and they end up going all over the South teaching people.

It just is breathtaking.

So, David, you have done all this research and you know all this.

How does that work in a kid's puppet show?

I mean, those stories are very inspiring.

I think kids would really respond to them.

So what we try to do with our shows is not tell big long stories.

It's one thing.

One person, one thing.

So when you see our show, even the youngest of children are gonna know Booker T didn't have bricks to build a school.

He worked and worked and worked until he built bricks and built a school.

So that's the story they walk away with after seeing the show.

And then we hope that they're encouraged to pick up a book and read about them.

We have a sponsor, Optima Health, and they don't wait for the children to go find the book in a library.

Optima pays for a book for every single child who sees our show.

So you'll learn one thing about the character in the play, and then can read so much more inside the book.

And um what age group is the book?

This book is designed for second through fifth grade.

I would say this is a lot of words.

It is, and it it is definitely one that for the second graders parents or family members would read to them.

For the much younger children, we've created a mother goose book, which um starts the show, and you're thinking, how in the world do you tie Mother Goose into this story?

Well, we tie it in through Ella Fitzgerald.

Her first big hit is a Tisket Atasket, and her second big hit is Do You Know the Muffin Man?

So we tell those songs, and that leads from Mother Goose all the way into I don't know how you do this.

It's a warped creative mind.

It is a warped creative amen.

It is.

But we we would talk about Mother Goose at almost every show, and all of a sudden, preschool teachers came up and said, Do you know many of these children have never heard Mother Goose rhymes, and they don't have a Mother Goose book in their home.

And so again, Optima Health has allowed us to give these books to each and every child who sees the show.

And it's at no cost.

During COVID, we provided books and video versions of the show to every student in Hampton for two years in a row.

So thousands of books went out just in this city to children.

So it was amazing.

But what's more amazing is to go, I I can I get emotion, I'm sorry, to go back into schools with children who have never seen a live performance, which is what we're now doing.

And they are transformed.

All they've seen is something on a screen.

So to see live performers and live music and live puppets.

They just start applauding.

Nothing, the lights go on.

They applaud.

A puppet shows up, they just applaud.

They are so joyful and happy to see Vive Theater.

So we are just so excited.

We have just been so blessed the last few months as the schools have really opened up.

That makes such a difference.

It's so good for kids.

And you know, the thing is, because the book might be for older readers, doesn't mean the show is just because you know, you can bring their siblings, you can bring little kids.

It's still entrancing.

It's still entrancing, and they will still come out with some level of knowledge, or at least, is this one a musical?

It is.

There are there are music and and there is audience participation.

So even if you have toddlers, they will sit for the forty-five minutes.

We we really we try very hard to get the pacing just right.

It's something that the creators of Sesame Street learned is that you must do something new every three or four minutes.

So we go from a new puppet coming on to a song to standing up and dancing to a new puppet to a set change.

So we're very careful.

Hopefully, you don't see the science as an audience member, but that's how we can keep toddlers engaged.

I heard it.

He weighs 1700 pounds.

So they they love to eat, and uh, he's eating very well.

All right, so tell us again, you're gonna be at the History Museum to debut this whole new performance.

Yes.

The museum is going to be open free to the public.

And that's a free day.

That's gonna be a great day.

We are.

We are just now starting to tour with it.

The Mother Goose sequences are all great, and now we're working to continue with uh Virginia Born, and we'll take that all over the state as well.

All right.

Well, I can't wait to see it.

You know, you're never too old for a puppet show, right?

That's right.

All right, thank you so much, David.

And thanks to um all the many puppets and the people behind the puppets.

If you'd like to show yourselves, Leslie and Alyssa, please feel free.

They've been crouched behind our chairs the whole time.

There we are.

So wonderful.

All right, we're gonna close now.

Thank you for watching.

I hope you go to see this show.

If you miss this one, go to Rainbow Puppets dot com, right?

And you'll see where they're gonna be, and you can find a time to go see them.

Thanks for watching.

Hello, and thank you for tuning in to another episode of Fusion Fitness.

I'm Alexis, and I'm gonna be instructing you in a 30-minute workout this morning.

Today I have with me, Tashana, along with Sadeo.

And I'm very happy to say today we're shooting right on location in the Newport New City Center with this beautiful background behind us.

So let's go ahead and get started.

Nice easy tap.

Good.

Perfect and tap.

Good.

Here we go.

Front, back, turn it round, front, back, turn it, front, back, good.

Front, back, good.

That puts your power behind it.

So feel it.

Perfect.

Roll the shoulders back.

Good.

To the front.

Roll.

Good.

Here we go.

Over.

Over.

Here we go.

Good.

Tap tap.

Just take me away.

Good.

Rock.

Let's reach roll this tap.

Tap.

Feels nice.

Good.

Tap.

Tap.

Good.

Tap.

Had that little sway.

Good.

We're gonna have a side line.

Single, single, double.

Good.

Single, single, double.

Good.

Pick it up.

So high.

Good.

The base hit speaker feels like the shake in the ground.

Keep it up.

The trouble comes in.

I know you feel this.

We gotta keep the body going until we show it.

We're gonna take it.

Here we go.

Single.

Double.

Single.

Double.

Take it back.

Don't give a like they just don't kill.

Good, take it out.

Okay, dress it's that thing we want to spend the night.

Good.

Good.

Tap.

Feels nice.

Keep it going.

Good.

Tap.

Feels nice.

Good.

Go back into that side line.

Single.

Single.

Double.

Good.

Keep it up.

Good.

Pick it up.

These girls I'm always kissing in.

Everybody rush to the flow.

Go ahead and let it hold.

These shots gotta be in slow.

No, it's stuck.

And we gotta lose the cups.

Good, take it out.

We're gonna go insane.

And we're just gonna let it go.

Don't care what's racking my brain.

I know I need to feel the way hold here.

Good, sway.

Let's control the slow.

Sway.

Preparing for it.

I'm ready to go.

Just take me away.

Good.

Reach reach.

Keep reaching.

Across me here.

Good from the top.

Good.

Front, back.

Take it out.

Yeah, yeah.

Here I go.

Got the eye.

Nice easy two stack.

Got a mind on me.

Catch the beast.

Good.

Sexy.

Alright.

Here we go.

I can tell that you want my body.

As you look in the eyes.

Good job, that's why.

Good.

Ain't you paddy?

So give me a little bit.

We're gonna take it back.

Here we go.

That don't you back?

Take it up.

Good.

I see the back.

Side side.

But I don't want to stop and take it.

What you will gonna do.

Good.

Hold on my body, go up and down.

I don't wanna stop until I make that sound.

Neighbors all that trying to shut us good.

But I don't wanna stop and let's take it to the left.

Somebody that can give me front.

Good job, and side.

Good.

Take it back.

I'm gonna like your body.

I'm gonna like the way you look.

Good.

Hold here to the side.

You need to hold my body.

This is the way you gotta pull my head.

This is the way you need to keep your mind.

Take me in.

Take it back.

I know you want it, but you're willing to do.

Good job, and back.

I see us as you wanna touch it.

Hold on my body, go up and down up and down.

But I don't wanna stop and take a giveaway.

I know you won't pull it up.

I sing us as you wanna touch.

Hold on my body, go up and down.

I don't want to stop until I make that snow.

Here we go.

That don't do that.

Take it up.

I single as you want the touch here.

Here we go.

Hold on the body, go up and down.

But I don't want to stop and take it.

Give me out of here.

Right out.

Hold on the body, go up and down.

I don't want to stop until I make that sound.

But I don't want to stop the joke.

Tap tap.

Good.

Push, push.

Great.

Alright, let's keep it moving.

Hope you guys are feeling as good as we are.

Alright.

Let's have our feet.

Beyond shoulder width apart.

Okay?

We're gonna squat it down.

You don't want your knees to pass your toes.

Alright, here we go.

Take it down.

I only ever will take it.

Good.

Let's go ahead and tone up these buttons and thighs today.

What am I supposed to see?

If I want you to love me, what am I supposed to do?

Good be here for your entertainment.

Pulse pulse, pulse.

Good.

Keep it real.

It is what it is.

We can chill.

Relax here.

Relax.

Good.

You can feel that bird in your quad right now.

Now two lips.

One.

One to keep it up.

Two.

Let's go into singles.

Single.

Fingle.

Good.

Two.

Pull it up.

Good.

Lifts.

Singles.

We're gonna get ready to widen our stance on this next set of squats.

Here we go.

Up.

Good.

Have a nice wide stance, okay?

Good.

Stop it, like I said.

Don't forget to make sure you're knees are not going over your toes, okay?

Good.

We're gonna pulse right here.

Pulse pulse, stay low.

Good.

Feel that bird.

Sway.

Don't slide.

Do you believe in that?

Good.

So much to go.

Do you believe in that?

Nice and easy.

Good.

Two pulls.

Seven years.

Good.

With the test.

Singles, singles.

Good.

Pull.

We're gonna go to our rear.

Two, two.

Two.

Then we shall reach for two.

Reach for two.

Take it back.

Good.

Shades making all the mirrors first.

Two reach back.

Keep it going.

Two.

Nice reach on that arm.

Say pull back.

Back to the hook.

Two pulls.

Lift lift lift.

Good.

Singles.

Good.

Here's those knees nice and high.

Super sisters.

Good.

Two.

Singles.

Singles.

Single.

Single.

Good.

Here we go.

Good down.

Nice and easy.

Good posture.

Hips, nice.

Perfect.

Let's go ahead and get right back into our cardio.

Good job.

Alright, here we go.

I love this song, so let's have fun with it.

Good.

Step it up.

Up for us.

Good.

It's four, three, two, my eyes.

Tap and hip, hip, hip, other side.

Turn and stop.

One, two, three, four.

Good.

Here comes the point party go.

Take it out.

Oh yeah.

When we get into the club head straight to the food.

Do a real big body like rocks to stay.

Roll it.

Keep telling my cup going hard on ice.

Yeah, yeah.

From the top, white voice always turns something.

And the smile I seal seem to be a thing.

Perfect.

Ain't no storm, gon' rain on my foreign.

Just drink the night away.

Lift turn, turn.

Turn, turn.

When we get into the colour back straight to the pot.

Do a real big body like rocks.

One two roll it.

Keep telling my cup going hard on I say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hold here.

Now put your dreams up.

Showing pop up.

Say yeah.

Everybody stand up good.

Put your hands up.

Light is in the air.

If you don't have a fitness on your mind.

We're all here for a good time.

Walk it out.

Take it out.

Yeah.

When we get into the club and straight to the foot.

And real big body like rocks just roll it.

DJ pop is holding playable hot.

Keep selling my cup going hard on.

Yeah, yeah.

Good.

When we get to the club and straight to the bar.

And we're real big body like rocks, that's saying.

You got it.

Going hard on that, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Sing it with me.

Good, good.

Take it up.

Easy tap.

Tap.

Tap.

Tap.

Tap.

Open up.

Side inside.

Good.

Open up.

Good.

Let's keep it moving.

Nice easy hip action.

We're just gonna take the heart rate down.

With a little bit of toning included, okay.

Easy.

Cross.

Any time you won't mind.

Good.

I don't really care.

You see, nice feet.

I will be there in your family.

Good.

Let those arms sway.

Hold on my shoulders, baby.

Good.

Take you down the honey.

I can only try.

Rock our hips.

Here we go.

It's the tip now.

Get raised.

Tell me because you know it.

Make us mind.

Make it nice.

Put that heart rate come down.

Take you down.

Angel strings going on with eye and now you know a ring.

Only peace and comfort.

That is why I think do you my baby up and go and down.

With these hips, we're gonna do two by twos.

So it's rock and rock down.

Rock rock.

Good.

You know I'm down.

Good.

Come for me.

Any time you want to level my brother.

I don't really care.

You see, friend.

I will be there in your time with me.

Yeah.

You can cry on my shoulder.

I see what flow.

Take your honey.

I can only try.

Four, three, two, one, four, three, two, and one.

Going down.

Let's get ready to rock those hips.

Good.

Say right here.

Take it up.

Good.

And down.

And up.

And we're just gonna rotate those hips.

Dig low.

Dig low.

Good.

Good.

You should feel it.

Good job.

Let's go ahead and cool it down.

Easy.

We're gonna rock those hips.

I love this song too.

Like a lot of songs, apparently.

Nice and sway.

Everybody already knows we've been talking good.

So I don't really see no need for keeping this thing on the low.

Snap back.

As a matter of fact, it seems stupid.

Good.

Why are we trying so hard to hide with everybody already?

Something's going down.

Something's good.

Nice heel stretch.

Let's change sides.

Good.

Don't never mind what they got to say.

They're gonna be talking.

And as long as they talking, it might as well be about you and me.

Let's give them something.

Something to talk about.

Good.

You can get nasty with it.

It's perfect.

We're fine.

You're hoping to see let's give them something.

Something to talk about.

Give 'em something.

Or leave the whole damn thing alone.

Snap back.

Don't grow too well in the shape.

Along with some railway.

Love me slight to grow.

Hold here, cross over and down.

Cause I think it's going on.

Chain sides.

Why do you care what they've got to say?

They gon' be talking anyway.

And as long as they talk it, we'll be about you and rotate it.

Pop.

Let's give them something to dream about.

Pop good.

Let that arm reach up and come down.

Oh, let's give 'em something.

Good.

Take me something.

Good.

Let's give something.

Good.

Good.

I want to go float it down.

Good.

Reach those arms out as far as you can.

Something that's all about.

Keep it up.

Come on, let's up.

Good.

Last time.

Come on, let's go.

Nice big and tail.

One R show ahead.

Here we go.

Good.

Chest Press.

Roll it up.

Good.

Something extreme.

Baby, we do me the best tomorrow.

Something that's all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good.

Good.

Something that you've got.

Something that's all about.

Good.

Good job.

Thank you guys so much for tuning in today with Fusion Fitness.

I'm so thankful that I had Taishana and Sedea with me.

I hope this kicked off your day very well.

I hope you had a wonderful thirty minute workout.

Please tune in next time.

Look at the credits to see all the information.

All of the artists, John Bibbs, United Souls.

So tune it to the credits.

All the information will be there.

Tune in next time.

Thank you.