We'll have a few more people that will trickle in and when we get to a quorum, we'll go back and uh do the minutes approval.

Um we'll start into discussion topics.

The first one uh on the list is a restroom pilot.

Uh we've been talking with different organizations around the community for most of this year about what it would take to do a pilot, see how it goes, see what the costs are.

Uh I recently came across a company, believe it or not, called Throne.

And uh Throne does portable restrooms, you know, full service, they put them in, they maintain they uh take care of them.

I have reached out to them to find out what it would take to do a pilot with their uh product.

I'm not yet heard back, so I can't tell you any more than there's one more to talk about.

Um I think at this point we probably ought to be thinking about this as something that we would do starting in the spring, so we'd get more time to be out there and grab gather some data on it so over the co over the winter we can sort of lock that in and try to lock down some funding.

I've talked to a couple uh local philanthropists who have at least expressed an interest in funding it.

Um I know that there are a couple other organizations that might kick in some money as well, so we wrap some numbers around this is probably something we could get done for spring.

Um so at this point we're just trying to understand what it costs would be report that back to the parks.

Or one about remember uh well starting with a what would it cost for one and seeing where that sits and how much money we can raise to try to do more than one.

And then Craig, do you have uh is there like a um uh a ratio of like laying uh miles and drill miles or all that numbers of the number of atoms or the uh overall network?

Uh the the recommendation, Mr.

Flank.

I did a memo or would you try to four reasons for that?

I don't know if you've got it.

Uh Mr.

Flink is uh literally a world recognized expert.

He's consulted on greenways throughout the US and all over Europe on greenways, and uh uh lucky enough to sit next to him at the table uh where he spoke, and so I said to him, is there such a thing?

And he said at a minimum one restroom every five miles of trail is is a useful rule of thumb.

He didn't think that was perfect by any means, but I it was an absolute minimum besides older one in the whole network and and uh use our and the um that's dad C said what I use is some rules on for can he does design consulting and consulting with government units um that's his minimum so we'd have to figure out do we want to do multiples on on the same trail to try to test that density, or do you just want to try them in places that would get heavy usage to see what kind of burden I think we'd have to talk about which one of those makes the most sense is there anyway monetize though at all or advertising results?

I don't know.

I my guess would be not monetizing the like I know yeah, I my guess would be not because there are so many of the the Greenway's rules about advertising.

But that's something we could look into.

We could ask.

Yeah.

There was a moment where I was talking with Indianapolis Fabrications, I think it was about this right.

Was that the company?

Yep.

Uh because they maybe could replicate it.

The question would be whether or not it meets what requirements and standards the city would need.

But you know that is that like this throne company that you're talking about?

Should we like see if they're less I have asked them for a quote and I their quote came back somewhere around 20,000?

Yeah.

I have not heard back from Throne.

I don't know what their number is.

Okay.

Yep.

And that's that's not me.

That's just here it is.

Yeah.

For how long?

That's to hold it.

Oh, to purchase.

Yeah.

Okay.

Did we say that was higher though?

Well, I it was higher than I thought it would be.

Okay.

Because I mean it's a converted uh train car.

Sure, yeah.

But there are two sources of in information in the city government.

Uh one's the Office of Public Safety.

Uh, which I've talked about before, they bought these shipping container uh retrofitted restroom like the ones down in the circle.

And are they bought four of them and they've located them in various areas in downtown that they can move?

So presumably those are compliant appropriate scale.

And secondly, if we could identify the right person or first sites, uh parks has gotta have people who are experts on restrooms because the restrooms we have the public restrooms are all parks.

And and they're servicing these things, and they're making um uh or somebody is and and they're making agreements with rental companies, like I mean my uh sorry beloved Eagle Creek.

There are portable portage houses all over the place, and and they get service.

So there have to be some experts around within the government.

That's what we haven't identified the people yet.

The last company I talked to said they've been talking to Don Coleman.

Do you know any of what's going on there?

So the two companies that we have used public companies and CHT are pre-planned companies that we've uh we've uh we've opened purchasing contract.

Uh since COVID the issue is being lead time zone on the very long, so we couldn't coordinate some little being working with is we actually work with a couple of different architects and engineers who have designed basically the same thing in the student.

So that's what we've done on the last couple uh conversations that we call them conversations because those get very funny restrictions for some reason to break it.

But that is how we do it.

And so uh the first ones we put it in uh there's a couple of units as one is a single stall, and there's a couple that are doubles uh or bigger um those of the two companies that we have used.

Actually, we use it one other company, uh Sol Tronte.

Uh they're used more in places where uh can't run water lines and utilities uh think we're trying to obviously multiple place, but uh we're trying to uh also partner with the same company that the city used to have uh the restrooms on Spark on the server.

Right.

Uh we're working with them to retrograde a couple of uh stores containers, yeah.

Uh restrooms.

So uh that's that's right now the uh grabbing with our who would be the best person to talk to okay.

So I heard all right.

I'll get with you on that some compare notes.

Um it could be helpful from from the city's in maybe buying in the coming months.

Um if y'all could get some details specifically like the location um like maybe multiple locations just so that we could identify stake orders, whether it's in parts or it's uh kind of people are just to make sure everyone uh included as part of the conversation game whatever permits that people uh need assistance with maps, like just seeing an app or green ways, uh park locations and things like that trying to help y'all kind of teach you in the high locations of the uh cabin that we're gonna know where all the locations are gonna go from.

I have a location in that we we should talk about it.

And so there'll be a new experience.

And from my cruising up and down a nickel plate, there's not a lot of opportunities for a trail friendly business right now.

So it might make sense as a test.

And it'll be new, a lot of travelers might be on it.

Right.

Was there a spot along it that you were thinking specifically?

I haven't got a spot that's I think we would need to talk to Daniel and Gretchen about what makes sense along there.

I'm not certain I understand Daniel.

Yeah, I mean I do feel like what would be helpful is if like uh if if you're leading the initiative to be able to kind of provide like the the ideas of the location um to be able to have uh some additional information about the next meeting has some formal information about the different inner situation.

I think we're gonna probably lean on you guys about location.

Um could you say that I couldn't use it?

I I think that we will lean on D BW for location.

But we probably we probably as a group should be said how it seems to be what's the criteria.

This is a DPW job, they there should be somebody in DPW with responsibility for this stuff.

There's not like right now.

Right.

Uh not for the size of number interest.

Or what about I mean, what about anything connected to restrooms?

Is there a DPW first?

Um there is yeah, there's there's not a direct connection for it, right?

See, that's to me that's inexcusable.

There should be it's an obligation APW is uh part of the city government that is responsible for the greenways.

This is the subject of the green boys, and they've got the number.

So my request is uh DPW come up with a unit that we provide this to if we're gonna do this work.

I don't want to do this into a boy where there's nobody I can call up and say, well, what are you doing?

I mean, we've tolerated this for years, and I think it's fine myself.

They gotta do this.

They gotta get the work.

It's not like restrooms are a new idea or water's a new idea.

The green waves are there and they're waiting for these things, need a person, need more to except carry that message back.

No, I mean um appreciate your sharing our perspective.

One of the things I think is kind of uh, I think this committee was uh the idea that we would need so many of these that we know how much would they cost and who would pay for them?

We have I mean what so if we need a one for five miles and we have about 150 miles above uh screenways, right?

Uh that's really only 30 battles.

That's that feels less dog because they allow it to be that than what I thought when I first heard this was I'm making hundreds of out of the room.

So I don't know if that's worth yeah, taking the time into the crew to say, but like I just think it's perhaps not as big of an issue as I thought it was.

Yeah.

Yeah, and if we can combine that with the trail friendly business concept, we'll cut some of those numbers down.

And also those looking at the probably the out of spoken nature of our of our greenway system, and maybe no, you know, right if just just taking linear miles and conservation might be one number, but also looking at geographically might be able to reuse it even further.

Uh, and get it on the 20 or 30 restaurants that can really, or you know, restaurants that can really be helpful.

Sound like a task for somebody who has a little GIS expertise.

Well, I don't, but anybody else does.

Uh we can work on that as you know.

I don't think I can look at that.

That'd be cool.

Okay.

So action steps here are one to try to see if we can get some additional estimates for costs.

Yeah, and I'm I'm gonna get with Andre so we can see what parks has been paying and get those numbers.

Right.

Uh second would be is if we could have some sort of idea of locations.

Yeah.

Uh do we still want to do the or recommend the pilot first or just try to I think we gotta do a pilot.

Okay.

Now the question is is a pilot one or is it multiple?

And that's driven by what they cost and can we raise money?

Right.

Um I mean I think we're trying to see what models work or don't work.

So I think one makes sense to start with.

I also think it makes sense that our role is to help kind of figure out what model works, but at a certain point, I think we would expect it to get handed off.

Right.

We're not gonna be the note, but I also think it's fair if this is something we want to spearhead that we develop the model and see what works and what doesn't.

Okay, okay, to recommend a particular model.

Well, I I respectfully don't understand the idea of the question about what works.

Like could you elaborate on that?

I don't know what you mean, what works.

I can use a pink portage on it works.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Could you elaborate on what you're meaning?

Well, we don't yet have established criteria for how we're going to um evaluate a pilot project, but I think what's like that's what I would define as what works, right?

We're gonna define criteria for what we think is important for a bathroom installation, whether it's and I think right, isn't that how it would determine what's working?

Logistics maintenance.

If we create something new, but our criteria the starting point.

Why why do we need to invent I mean that can be the starting point, but I do think that certainly should weigh into what we said as criteria, but I think we are I mean our our job is to comment on greenways, the the ordinances we're to talk about, we're to make recommendations.

Uh the recommendation is let's have some restrooms and and there's nobody in DPW responsible for the subject.

Nobody is attempted to investigate the subject.

Um we can at least talk to the people who did the only restroom in the entire system.

That's the 54th and vote on Canterbury Park restroom, which is in a park.

But parks did that in tw in 2012.

Only one that exists.

Well that's the one I was gonna reference, but I wasn't I haven't been to every park, so I was I I know that one exists.

I didn't know if more did it.

That's the only one.

But the difference between that and a portal party, that's like quite a range, and then whatever's in the throne.

So I think we're just trying to like I said, establish some criteria for what we want to see the parks.

We want to see a pink portal, we want to see a throne.

We want to see a brick and mortar building with two of you know two different.

So I mean, you know, how and then how many we have to replicate it, and how you know so those recommendations I think can be made by us.

I I gotta say this.

There are currently two pink porter bodies in Canterbury Park.

Would that be sufficient?

I mean in addition to the restroom necessary?

Yes.

Huh.

Interesting.

Okay, I didn't test um the restroom when I went by Saturday on a long run, but I have tested it many times.

Usually it's a lot.

Well, because there's bathrooms that well, I'm thinking about the broader part, but those are adjacent.

Those are five of the building, just on the interior.

Yeah.

That was a prefabricated thing.

That wasn't uh you have some brick layers and carbon years out.

That thing was delivered.

There was T B cover the delivery of that thing in 2012.

It was a big event because there was zero and a lot of complaints.

So parks is the only part of the city government that's I will get with Andre and talk through what Parks has done to get context there.

Uh we'll reach again to the throne people to get their story.

Um we'll we'll have something.

It also seems like an action step is maybe taken through kind of metrics uh how to evaluate the program.

Right.

Coming up with some of those ideas.

Like is there measurements of like we use the survey towards the end like the neighbors to see satisfaction or trio users?

Uh we all kind of keep track of there's like the end of the zone, or if there's challenges and higher things and uh enough with maybe an action step is to try and develop what kind of entries is success and meet with parks or uh kind of uh meet with people in this area to talk about what those metrics might be.

Um just like ultimately like this is the pilot.

Would be to be able to show what works in like that you're using it and teaching it to spread uh if successful kind of the rest of the county, and what is success look like?

Right.

What else are we looking for?

No.

I mean, not everybody wants to go use the pink portal.

I might decline to use that altogether if I could, and not everybody has the luxury of being able to decline to use the portal.

I mean, I get what you're saying, but it's it should be simple, but it's just not right.

Usage would certainly be a good idea.

One of the sayings I always understood uh when I was trying to make legal arguments is you can't feed something with nothing, and what we have is nothing, and the pilot project I'm interested in is having something, and then people can do feedback.

We have um thirteen years of the one restroom that was designed, studied, selected, installed, and usually not available.

So it could work if it was maintained all the time and it moves open all the time and it's advertised, is somewhat irrelevant to me.

And I agree that port of jugs and all that are not a lot of fun, and and uh if you're running a marathon by God, you use one and you don't think about it.

If if you're out on a family walk, maybe not I understand that, but we've got nothing.

Right, and I'm just wondering I don't know perspective on it.

If we do pay for this, we have to be able to do it in an equitable way and take a lot of those considerations.

Or you're gonna change it to make it better.

Right.

You don't have data or information about how to make it better, then you don't know what to change it.

Well, let me ask you this.

Have you looked at the uh specifications and the schematic for a restroom in the full circle plan the 2014 and 2024?

You looked at those at that uh I've seen, yeah, the the compensation.

It has it has specifications.

Carmel actually followed those specifications in 96 demona.

What's wrong with those specifications?

Why do we have the cost?

I mean it's not so so that's the thing is what we're all saying is that there's different ways to satisfy, and there's a minimum level of satisfaction, and there's an optimum level of satisfaction.

Optimum would be a full building that gets serviced every day.

Yep, yep.

Right now we have optimal dissatisfaction, and making some progress, it seems to me is what has to be done.

We can kick this can down the road for another ten years.

Which is why, which is why I recoil at the let's study the subject some more idea when a lot of study already was.

So I think we're a little further than just so what we're saying is we all agree to take step one.

Let's take step one, let's have a success.

The question is then what is step two?

And you need a roadmap to know where is step two, and that's the idea of measuring success from step one, right?

And and learning things.

I mean clearly, clearly the restroom that was put in at Canterbury Park had something that failed.

So there's probably some knowledge available from parks about why that failed, and my guess is it falls into maintenance more than anything, because that's that's the cost.

Getting getting the restroom in place isn't the cost.

Let's talk to people that know that.

Well, that's that's the plan.

I'm gonna get with Andre and we're gonna take Admin or whoever it may be.

Okay, instead of reinventing the wheel.

So I've got a question though, where would this restroom go?

That's we we have to decide that.

Yes.

I don't think we should.

I think the community should.

Like, I yeah, I agree.

I wouldn't have a public restaurant as my house, so we're not talking about any permanent right now.

As Mr.

Kenus has pointed out, there's a lot of places that could use them.

So just pick one of those and go, right?

Yeah, but we're just temporary in isolation.

Yeah, it'll be a temporary session.

And ideally, it won't require water power to it.

And like that is at least part of uh thinking kind of like the results from the sort of conversations to see how the neighbors feel about that, and like you know, having data about who uses this area being out more frequently to do the restroom.

Uh powerful to score instruction in the future or even audible and trying to include whatever you want to do, so we start a firm and stuff then absolutely.

I don't know what's going on inside the water line.

So they've got a lot in that mind because we start with a survey and ask me if you want this central.

So let me say that's some iceberg.

All right.

We've we've got some actions.

We will move forward.

Uh the next topic is the trail-friendly business planning.

Um I was supposed to establish a committee.

Nobody still volunteered, so I'm gonna be reaching out to folks to see if they will serve on that committee, and we'll go from there.

So yes, I was doing a little bit of research.

So Fort Wayne has a trail-friendly business program.

Yes, they do.

Um, and I reached out to a contact that they had just to try to get some basic information based on our discussion last time.

So I asked, like, what are the minimum requirements to become a trail friendly business?

And the only commitment they ask is water refill and a public or accessible restroom.

Excellent.

There are other things that businesses can provide, including like a bicycle repair station, a discount to their uh customers, that kind of thing.

Um if you look at their mix of trail-friendly businesses, it's actually really interesting.

It's a lot of independent businesses, including coffee shops, grocery stores, independent retailers, there's a tattoo shop, there's a bike shop.

Um big takeaway for me was the fact that almost all of their trail-friendly businesses seem to be like local non-chains.

And um when you kind of compare and contrast that with our uh businesses that are along trails, I think some trails would kind of have a similar model, like thinking about Monon probably has a lot of access to that and like Sobro, Nora, uh, Broad Ripple, but then looking at like Pleasant Run trail, the only business that you see fronting along the pleasant run trail are gonna be uh like Kroger and McDonald's and gas stations.

Um something that came up last time that we asked that we were discussing is possibility.

Do we need to have a legal agreement with these businesses?

They said that there's no uh like binding agreement or contract or anything signed with these, it's basically just a business fills out a form that they're voluntarily agreeing to be part of their program.

I asked if they've had any issues with people abusing the privileges that are provided by these businesses, and they said so far they haven't had any issues with that.

Um it seems like it's a pretty even geographic distribution of businesses, but I'm not sure we could expect the same level of um yeah, people not taking advantage of using privileges that are provided.

Um I asked what um is kind of the value proposition for businesses that want to be a trail friendly business.

Um and it looks like a lot of the motivators are just basically the free advertising that comes with it.

So um, and I do think some of these things would be hard for us to replicate, but it's there's an inclusion in a trail map.

So this program is run by like the trails, the Fort Wing Trails, yeah, organization.

Um and they publish a map, a physical map that this their distribution is like 50,000 copies of that map per year.

So I think that's pretty big for Fort Wing.

Um they have a trail app, so trail-friendly businesses are highlighted on the app.

They're obviously on the website.

Every business gets an individual social media promotion when they sign up.

And then if a business chooses to run a special for people who are using trails, um, that also gets a social media um yeah, call out so again, free advertising.

I'm not sure how well we would be able to replicate that because we don't have an app or a printed map that we're well there is a printed map that's done by formerly by Kindapolis now century Indiana Cycling.

That's true.

There's a possibility to work with them on that.

Yeah.

And I know that we've talked about increasing social media, but then there's always like both Indie Parks and DPW social media as well.

I could be true.

And then I asked if they collect any data about like traffic or profit and gain from this, and they don't have a way to collect that data right now.

Um but I thought it was interesting to see that there's a program, a pretty successful program happening relatively close to us, and to kind of compare and contrast with the kind of businesses they've been able to recruit versus our trail front businesses.

That's great.

And furthermore, they have a trail coordinator who does the work of talking to businesses.

Did you did you get into that?

Nope.

Uh that is a you can they have a person who is responsible for adding businesses and coordinating with the businesses who have participated in the program.

Okay, but that I'm gonna guess that's who I was talking to because that was the contact of the but she is a Fort Way Trails, not City of Four Wayne.

Correct.

That's what I thought, yeah.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Excellent.

So that sounds like that's the key trick is to make sure we're partnering with a nonprofit advocacy group that can help coordinate with us to make those recommendations to help develop such a program.

Yeah, yep.

But based on that, I think it answered some of our big questions because we had some of these questions about what do we what's what are the things we need to have figured out before we even talk to businesses, not about joining a program, but just like gauging interest and seeing what businesses might want in return.

So I think the not requiring a legal agreement is a big one.

I think that was a big sticking point last time, yeah.

Um, as well as knowing what businesses in other places want.

I think that puts us at a place where we could relatively soon start having conversations of gauging interest, not establishing the program.

Love it.

Thank you so much.

What I can then walk in the door and say, here's what you get, here's what we'll do for you.

Yeah, and and and um in that regard, I mentioned yesterday.

Um a couple of months ago, I started working on seeing if we could get some legislation.

There is a state statute known as the recreational user statute, and it shields departments of government at all levels township, city, municipal, county, everything from liability for the use of trails, and it is now being uh uh the subject of potential amendment.

I didn't know this when I started out on the subject, but it is now there is a group, and I'm in touch with the group that is seeking an amendment that will allow landowners and grant easements, uh, don't sell their land but grant easements uh for the use of the trail that they or she will have shielded by this statute.

And what I'm proposing are just started, I mean, it's two months in.

Uh, but what I'm proposing is that businesses welcoming trail users also be screened from liability.

That's a significant give when we go in for an ask.

Seven sorry, I'm sorry, of course.

I'll shut up.

Yeah, that's the so you're contacting legislators about that, or there's already a movement.

Yes, I'm um working on it.

Umtact with a group that's trying to amend uh the statute to protect uh people who grant easements for trails.

And I guarantee all the Fort Wayne businesses that exist will be thrown, and the uh and they may never face any liability.

Their insurers will be through, and and it makes it it makes it something we can say, and here's what you get from us in and signage, and final comment.

We shouldn't be doing this.

Okay, the agencies of city government that are responsible for trails should be doing this.

We can kick it off.

There's been in business throughout the history of the creation of their trails.

We can kick it off, but it should not be the job of this committee to run this program.

We don't we never intend to run this program.

Yeah, I agree.

I think I think our goal is to our goal is to show that it can be done.

Yeah.

And how recommendation recommendation for how we think the city should continue.

Yeah, I think the next step might be too.

I wrote down initiate a kind of conversation with the local nonprofit.

Is there like there are a couple of things?

We're taking kind of a lead on that.

Sure.

Okay.

Yes, it's he's gonna be the chair of the subcommittee.

From the conversation and some of the things that you know.

Yeah.

I think that would be uh she has that library.

Yeah, thanks for that.

Cool.

Thanks.

Okay.

Couple couple things to note for your calendar.

We've got a couple of uh ribbon cuttings happening.

Uh the BO ribbon cutting is going to be on October 8th from 4 to 6.

2020 Girl School Road, which is a church, and I'm sorry, I don't remember the name of the church, but it's right at the corner of Girls School Road and 21st Street.

What's the name again, Amy?

Uh October 8th.

And that will be the final piece that connects Marion County to Hendricks County.

And then nickel plate ribbon cutting is on October 21st from 4 to 5.

62nd in Allisonville Road.

Hope to see some of you there.

Okay.

Maybe it would be helpful.

Yes.

Awesome.

Yes, thank you.

Okay.

Okay.

That'll be helpful.

Okay, next up is you, Daniel.

All right.

Sounds good.

I mean, I I may uh start off by passing to Bill and just to give some updates on kind of like work in progress on remote.

What's the kind of nice reach?

Is that what you can?

Yeah, that's it.

You're talking about the list from uh Gretchen.

Yeah.

Oh lots of stuff going on.

Okay.

I drove through a lot of it to get here.

Well, some of it we we won't claim as being Greenway.

So okay, so we've got the Eal Creek Greenway, and this is the uh segment from Crockersville Road, essentially 465 on the west side to Washington Street.

Um we're on track to do that early November, which means that um we think that it would be completed by mid-27.

Um that's a long segment that's like almost seven miles, I think.

Where how is that gonna cross uh 136?

Like the trail right now comes down to Crownville Road, so there you are.

Yeah, so there's the southbound off ramp and then the southbound on ramp on the west side of the interstate that intersection in Crawford's old road, there's gonna be uh control crossings there.

Okay, so when they get there, they're gonna essentially take the sidewalk.

Yeah, you'll cross south where the median is, and then cross south again, and then you'll hit east underneath the the bridge that goes over the creek.

Okay, so all the interstate traffic will be above you 30 feet up on the bridge.

Okay.

Thanks.

There are no restrooms, right?

Oh there are no restrooms.

Okay, but who do we talk to who's responsible for this project?

Um are you talking about from the like way back when it was?

What can you do to accomplish that?

Who is that person?

Um, we have design managers who are given the program that you typically until up until now, it does not include restrooms because of their predictive costs.

I want somebody to talk to.

Understood.

I'm telling you who have what role.

So we have design managers, we have the program manager who says here's what we want you to accomplish, and here's the amount of money.

So that's not the design manager.

They're given a task and they're given a budget, and their hands are tied at that point.

So look, I've heard excuses for a year and a half, and it seems to me it's always the same.

There's no money for that.

And I always say, well, there's no ask for that, right?

So you don't get any money when you don't ask.

Well, yeah, but money's tight and we can't get anything.

I want to know who's doing the actual planning.

I would suggest that you start as high up the food chain as you can.

Well, I need names.

Okay, that's the same thing.

And I will check the webstream and see who we can connect you with.

Because we even if we could put that in, our team has to design things that can be maintained.

So if we have no money for bathroom maintenance or for any of those kind of things, we cannot put something in that will fail.

And you don't want that.

So that's that's why there's no bathroom to do it.

You know what?

That is a closed loop that never changes.

And I'm interested in how we break that loop at some point and get the organization responsible for our greenway to deal with this subject.

Okay, I wouldn't.

I'm sorry.

Okay, go ahead.

Um I'll actually jump in and say I would probably say I mean the degree at least the ballot committee does uh uh can give out recommendations to the director of the parks department or other departments.

I think that would probably be sorry.

Um I do also believe in the Nickel Play Truck that there actually are water fountains.

Is that the other thing?

Yeah, the I didn't want to make that point of clarification, but I would say uh probably a next step would potentially be uh resolution of uh to the parts director or DPW director.

All right, all right.

Sorry, go ahead.

I'm happy to explain how you're gonna use this.

And I don't disagree.

I don't disagree with the need or the ultimate goal.

Right.

I'm just explaining what it is.

Okay, um Grassy Creek Greenway.

Um, this is the east-west Grassy Creek.

Uh we call it the Grassy Creek connector sometimes because it's ultimately there'll be a much longer north-south connection, right?

Or segment.

Um, but this is east-west, so it goes from Midhopper to Carroll Road.

They're light years ahead of schedule on that one.

And cool thing since Ron's subject matter is that we do have an educational center there.

Right.

So if you want to use a restroom on that trail, there is one there, and that's in the educational center at Grassy Creek, which is a brand new facility.

So that's that's great.

We can take advantage and have those energy center.

Um Thurry Street.

So you go to about 3200 north on mid hopper, and then it kind of goes off to the northeast.

Yeah, all the way to the county line.

I know the old age of J Burrell school was that land just south of there is what we own.

We own the whole bay of the rail to make offering county line road.

So that's what they that's what you do.

So is it far enough online for me to go get in trouble writing on it?

It's closed currently, and that's just so you all know that until until you see a ribbon cutting on trails under construction closed.

You're you're avoiding my questionnaire, Bill.

Okay.

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do that.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you.

Thank you.

You you will be doing that at your own.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, there's a part of the other stock there.

It connects into the indigo stuff.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Okay, um Eagle Creek phase three, so this is cool.

We've actually got funding from the MPO to um we've talked about how Eagle Creek stops in Washington Street, the the fund currently designed portions go down to uh Washington Street.

Well, now we've got funding to get from Washington Street down to the existing Eagle Creek that stops at like McCarty.

Yeah, south of I-70.

Yeah.

And so man, once we connect all that, you're on the a lot of the south side and west side of there or southwest portion of the trail system.

Um, and but that will not go to bid until 2028.

So we probably covered this before, but when we get federal funding, a lot of times they're they're saying we're gonna put you in the system for three or four years down the road.

So even though we can announce it now, it still won't be won't be designed or bid for until they can fund it in that future.

But as you can imagine, the federal government's looking several years out ahead on these kind of projects.

So we want to get into that.

Um I'm sure you understand this, but I want to know who to talk to about the one that they have even been designed.

It's a good time to fall.

Yeah, that's the name.

Um, you could reach out to the MPO.

I'm not I'm not familiar with the MPO staff, so that's the metropolitan planning organization, but you can as a citizen you could express to them to say, hey, you know, I know you guys are overseeing federal fund allocation, and these are the kinds of things that I would like to see as part of those programs.

I've been in touch with them several times, and they believe in me.

They believe and they certainly, you know, as everybody knows the federal pot of money is a lot larger than the state or local.

Um then Monon over 86th Street, another uh federally funded project will go to bid in 2029.

So this is gonna be a uh bridge over 86th Street, which is a lot of people are really interested and excited about that possibility.

Um so it no longer will have to cross a grade at 86th Street.

And maybe get killed.

Well, say maybe get killed.

Right.

This this bridge, yeah, we'll eliminate those uh get rate crosses, so it'll be much safer for sure.

Is that other 86 and uh the only where that crossing is that they're gonna go across the power?

Yeah, it's gonna go yeah, it's gonna go over that.

Yeah, yeah, those people now, or that's still that was a tactical urbanism project.

So yeah, and I wasn't involved with that, but I again this is something that won't this won't come online until it won't even be built until 2020.

Yeah, just this is kind of something I didn't even happen to know because I know that a lot of the followers were hard.

That was if that was like tactically being replaced or if that's it's not gonna get replaced.

But they did do they did make some changes in that intersection.

There's a pedestrian only cycle on the light now.

Okay, they made uh all the noternal read for all directions.

Yeah, and that would be um that's probably gonna be living with our traffic team.

Yeah, more so.

That'd be that'd be Joe Palmer.

Yeah, yeah.

So if you have time, I'll ask her next time I see her.

Can we go back a second name?

Sure.

The MPO project how do people refer to it?

What do they call it?

Is it phase three, or is it?

Uh for the Eagle Creek, yes, the one that goes south, we're calling that phase three.

That's correct.

And so that connects from Washington Street to McCarthy Street.

Yeah, I know that stretch.

And that's gonna be the challenge there is there's a double track system, and uh the White River and uh salvage cars and all kinds of things that you don't really want around your US.

Right, yeah, and so it'll be a challenge.

Even I can't even tell you which path it's gonna take because there's so many channels like those and over and under three.

We do okay on timing.

Okay, um, so we talked about Monon, another there's two more bridges.

So keep in mind between the Monon over 86, the nickel plate over 82nd, and then nickel plate over Keystone, that's like 30 million dollars.

That was not otherwise allocated to the community, which is great.

Yeah, I mean it's every every bridge is basically 10 million dollars.

Is the bridge over Keystone gonna then move the trail off 46th Street and come along that no, that they my understanding is the bridge or Keystone will keep the alignment of the trail fairly straight so that it's not gonna be it maybe so we don't you're gonna finish that piece between 46th Street and Keystone?

Yeah, okay, it's all bets are on, you know.

This is for factory.

I know, I understand, I understand before years from now, but the intent as I understand it is that it will more or less keep the alignment if you go on the bridge and over East of them that you're not hearing left and right, you're more or less the same line.

Good.

So and then again they will play over 87nd Street, so that's another avoiding a multi-lane crossing.

Um not much, no.

There might be a small spot, but um I think the way that there'll be a give and take between the way that uh bridge is designed versus how uh sometimes land acquisition opportunities are easy, and you just you've designed based on that.

Other times it's really difficult, and you know that's a strong limitation, but so that really affects the design of the bridge.

That's the cloudy level right there.

I don't think any I I would not suspect that um there will be much impact from the bridge because it's just pretty much land as it is over.

And I also let that area bridge and let that trail and went into South Park and your deck went over there.

So do you have counters?

Do you know where the counters are deployed?

Yeah, uh 14, I think was the number of purchase.

Do you know where they are?

Those.

Um I don't know if they've been deployed yet, and I know that we have another project, depending on how the project is coming.

We may get more counters from that.

Um so I'd have to send you an update on that.

I just don't know that off the end or the counters.

I did check in the haven't deployed yet.

We have a competition like have like a fan that just like it is.

Um the last uh this might be yours being a lot of that's a construction.

Wait, well, what what about um Madison?

You know, we're actually not going to dang just uh in the absence of kind of a place to be able to show a PowerPoint.

Thank you.

Uh I have to do that.

Let me do an update on that.

Yeah.

So I just wanted to be a few of that to be able to kind of help with some of the story time.

Oh, I had a question about from the interurban.

Yes, it's underway.

Um is not from a greenway program, so there's our friends over the road right now.

Okay.

Uh program or running that.

But it connects to a greenway.

Yeah, it's it's well underway to be instructed in I don't know.

I would say that it's probably this time next year before it's open.

Okay.

So if you have any specific questions, I can pass them on the I was pleased to see the progress so far.

Yeah, it's changing for sure.

Yeah, exciting questions.

All right, I'll I wanted to uh take everyone update on the three piece about the plan kind of where we're standing and where we uh got some exciting things going on.

Uh so first thing is kind of where we are with the plan.

In the past, I'll show them an update slide and it shows kind of the four different phases, and we are in that second phase of strategically where we've been for for much of the past year, but the kind of exciting things at the end is somewhat insights.

Uh we have the mapped out, you know, this is the portion where we're thinking about uh design standards we're thinking about to say uh maybe it's an operation and we're thinking about kind of like development around trails and how to create the places that people want to see.

Uh and so uh we have mapped out with uh consultants with the final product that's space that we look at, and uh uh which includes a common plan.

So uh I hope to be able to have an information about kind of what what some final products would like in the middle that we can talk about.

So um uh kind of additionally some big things that have happened this past month or first uh then the August road shows.

So just to kind of make sure everyone is filled in.

Uh in August we participated in seven roadshows across Marion County, where the greenway seed travels different places and different existing things to be able to talk about them to be able to share information, have conversations about greenways, and also being able to kind of like understand what people are interested in and what's their priorities and visions and values, they would use a guide about green display.

And so several roadshows include the Gateway Gallup, which is on the west side of Mandalia, State Fair Pedland Park, the original farmers market downtown, Beach Road Farmers Market, for concert at Eagle Creek Park, the Cafe Farmers Market and Soul Food Sunday.

And also thanks to Greg for having to set us set this up, the Indy Runners Charity XC Challenge, which is at uh North Central High School, where we have really good attendance and trail users were very enthusiastic and have a lot really good input.

And so just wanted we are we are working on some of the summaries of the information that we got that we ever include in the plan to be able to give you all some more details on that.

But just wanted to give y'all a few brief updates.

It's like in addition, we shared information about the planning, we had conversations.

And what we found is like it often took a lot, you know, it took some encouragement to get you views and ballots.

But just to give y'all an update is that on this ballot, everyone get eight votes, and generally speaking, kind of across the roadshow, you know, on the average the highest category was connecting people and trails is kind of transportation component, which would usually get 2.36 out of eight votes.

So it's the highest, but not like you know, it is an important component, but not an overwhelming majority.

Uh the next highest was often connecting under certain communities with 1.76 votes.

So maybe important of those.

So people, what was interesting is you would see different areas kind of focus on the south side.

You would see kind of a focus on uh promoting growth and development.

That's also an area that you're seeing about growth and development.

Uh and uh it's about something that this is about to be.

And then finally, supporting sustainable funding and implementation uh came to the lowest with 0.85 out of eight votes.

Um it's just kind of an interesting category because people do want to build things.

Uh but they also I feel like to a certain extent, that's a little bit of a challenge.

We wanted the intentional idea about where we're doing build things, but be intentional before you build.

Um and another thing I want to report is that was kind of interesting.

And so we've heard from a lot of people that picking between the different categories was hard.

Um, which I feel like uh hopefully is a sign that these are categories that people are relevant.

Um that's uh big picture, that's that's what we're seeing from the ballot.

Another thing to report out is that kind of from the public information meetings we saw the highest percentage of people here from center or Washington Township and fill out some of these ballots groups because uh we need these activities outside of Center Township, uh, that we've actually seen uh a significant increase in the number of participants outside of center and so saw a lot of people in Washington Township, but we saw more people in High Township, so we did more people in more in bonus township because we tried to kind of move out from that central location.

So it sounds like still the southern three townships were pretty sparse in terms of representation, even for redship then.

Um I would say we have increased.

I mean, Franklin Township, we had Franklin Township and Perry Township uh have an increase at particular township, still have relatively low participation.

Um I also just kind of wanted to, I thought it might be interesting to y'all is that uh we had different types of, we'd often have different types of conversations.

Uh for when we were near Greenway or talking to people when you're in Greenway, we often discuss team entities like restrooms and water values, the importance of having these sort of amenities.

We'd also hear maintenance and as is something that people want to make sure that we were thinking about.

Uh, and also we'd hear public safety as something that people were thinking about.

Um we were in areas that were not near the meetway, uh we hear that people wanted more options to be hit around the neighborhood.

They wanted more places uh where, especially like children would often make us they want a place for kids to go to go the other playing feels safe.

Um also we've also heard from a number of different places that they view greenways as a way to kind of create neighborhood pride, but being able to have kind of this asset that uh part of this part of this, I believe, is at least partially because a lot of neighborhoods outside the old city county boundaries have a lower degree of like kind of like central complaining around like place.

But people view that as a place where like the community can go out and have nature each other.

So we've tried to be intentional about both having conversations with people that both live near Greenways and Greenways and those have been some common things that we've heard.

I want to update y'all some upcoming engagement that we're going to do.

So one of the things that we've learned is that there's still gaps in the Greenway Network both built, it must be closed.

So to create a green system is connected here.

And after reviewing data and listening to our community, we found opportunities for trails that can make neighborhoods and work under a vested area to protect the environment and support and growth.

So is the screen member as in my speaker about it?

And a place where people can make comments.

So we anticipate feedback and take a few minutes, excuse 10 minutes, but also if you want to take more time, we'd love that too.

But just want to put that on your radar something that's going to be out there and in sort of support both reviewing the information, providing this feedback and sharing it without people's networks would be greatly appreciated.

And then finally just the timeline for the end of the plan.

But we also recognize that the gap between Thanksgiving and years isn't the best time to get sort of.

So with that in mind, we're anticipating slash hoping uh doing some sort of public comment around January 2026.

So that also aligns with the meet.

So you know, some exciting stuff.

Um I want to state and make it Joe's gone, so I'd like to diminish to somehow magically.

Um Daniel's work on this has been above and beyond, and he needs it to be complimented.

The event that he referred to that I would have will to do was XC is cross-country.

If you didn't pick it up right away, it's a cross-country race.

Uh it is a charity race, it is a place for representatives of about a dozen organizations from our biggest hospitals to uh wonderful groups like girls on the run and groups that deal with uh people that have disabilities who need to be mobile.

Um it was on Labor Day morning, and Daniel Hajgel shows up on Labor Day morning at North Central High School with his easel boards and his cart table, and he sets up and he talks to people for about three and a half hours.

And uh I don't think he gets over time.

And I bought it.

I wanted to express thanks for that.

Okay.

Is there any new business to bring to the group?

If not, then I believe someone should move it.

We adjourn.

You can't vote.

You don't have one.

Oh, okay.

Our meeting's over.