Today we will hear cases in Speedway, Beach Grove, Lawrence, and then the rest of Marion County, Indianapolis.

Representing the uh speedway, he's not here.

Uh representing the city of Beach Grove, Miss Angie Johnson, representing the city of Lawrence, Mr.

Jim Hennigan, representing the city of Indianapolis.

To my immediate right is Mr.

Peter Luster, appointed by the Indianapolis City County Council to my immediately immediate left is Ebony Chappelle, and serving as secretary of this board is Excise Officer Amy Sunier.

This meeting is being broadcast live on Channel 16 and will be rebroadcast several times in the coming weeks.

You are on television and the board asks that you act accordingly.

At this time, please silence your cell phone so you do not interrupt the hearing.

If you find it necessary to take a call or to have a conversation with someone here with you, please be respectful and step out into the hallway.

Here is the order in which we will conduct business this morning.

We will first ask individuals who have come to remonstrate to stand and come phone and come forward to the microphones hanging from the ceiling.

We will then hear cases on today's docket pertaining to the town of Speedway, City of Beach Grove, and the City of Lawrence.

Next, we will call all applicants for new or transfer applications on today's docket.

We will then call renewals on today's docket which have violations or remonstrators.

After we've finished today's published docket, we will consider the cases that have been continued from a previous hearing.

All of those coming before the board today, whether whether you're an applicant or representing the applicant or are here to remonstrate, we'll testify under oath.

Officer Sunny will now administer the oath.

Do each of you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you have given on your application or any answer you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Thank you.

Are there any if an applicant sh an applicant should have remonstrators?

It's been the practice of this board to accept one request for continuance from both the applicant and the remonstrator.

Should the board deem it appropriate, additional continuances may be granted.

Are there any remonstrators in the room?

Good morning.

Chris Stobb with the Near Eastside Community Organization opposing Indy Supermarts at 2040 East New Washington Street.

Uh that one will be continued.

The violation is still pending.

Violation or still pending, so we won't be here today.

Won't be here today.

So it'll be continued to November 3rd.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Ron Phillips, President of the Warren Township Development Association.

I'm here to remonstrate against King's Bakery.

Permit number RR 4942841.

King's Bakery has asked for a continuance, so they will also be continued to November 3rd.

Very good.

Thank you.

Welcome.

And Taylor Schaefering with downtown Indy and remonstrating against the bar.

Okay.

Thank you.

Detective Tiffany Masson with IMPD.

Moon uh Moon Lounge 148 East Market Street.

Any other remonstrators in the hearing room today?

Okay.

Applicants appearing in Marion County are required to have four items before the board can hear your case.

We cannot and will not hear your case if you do not have all four of these items.

First, the affidavit of compliance of posting the permit advertising sign from the ATC for at least 10 days prior to the meeting hearing.

The second, the affidavit of compliance or notice sent to the property owners and neighborhood organizations that you sent written notice to about today's hearing.

The third, the zoning affidavit obtained from the Department of Metropolitan Development.

And the fourth, the Marion County Tax Clearance form from the Indiana Department of Revenue.

If you do not have all of these items, let us know when you come forward.

In addition to the re in addition to the required documents, if you're a new or a transfer application, you are required to have an inspection approved prior to your permit being made active.

I will give you my contact information when we call your application forward.

It's your responsibility to contact me to schedule that inspection.

I will not contact you.

Jim, you want to lead us off?

Yep.

Okay, we have a new.

It's uh RR 4942 690.

SKJ VM Enterprises LLC operating as Bando Korean restaurant at 8015 Penton Pike.

Sweet EF.

Good morning.

Okay.

If it's his first, we'll run through that list of questions.

I think they've been here a couple of times.

You got a little bit.

All right.

Devs questions.

Oh no.

Is this your first alcoholic breverage license in the state of Indiana?

It's my first, but uh wife is uh second.

Second.

How do you want to handle that?

Is this a transfer of owner?

No, no, this is was there a permit there before?

There was a prior permit there before.

And then what happened to the permit?

They expired.

Okay.

Was that her permit?

No, no.

Okay, so it's a different business for business.

So we have a set list of questions we ask all first time petitioners.

Just answer loud enough we can hear it on the microphone, please.

No.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

I did.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in this application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

Nothing at all.

Are you the only owner of the business?

No.

Did you list the other members?

Yes.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter and spec and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

At any time.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

Yes.

Are you applying for limited separation?

Yes.

Thank you.

All yours.

I don't really have no questions.

I mean.

Uh you have a policy for checking IDs.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

We check everyone's ID.

Everyone's ID.

What happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

They'll be removed.

Removed.

Does that mean uh terminated?

Yes.

Okay.

Are you making any changes to the previous floor plan?

No.

Everything's staying the same.

So you limited separation.

You're going to have a bar area 21 and over only.

But there is no bar.

There's no bar.

So no not limited separation.

You're just doing family dining.

Right.

Okay, so everything will go to the table.

No.

How many would how many waitress waiters and waitresses we have?

Two.

Okay.

And are they both licensed?

Yes.

Okay.

Jim, you comfortable?

I'm comfortable, yeah.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, another one here.

Transfer is R R 4942904, Tavern One Inc.

operating as Shady G pub at 11703 Penleton Pike.

Thank you.

Greg, are you the shady G?

I am.

Shady B G.

No, which one?

Yes.

Greg Gendrick with Bradford and Riley with me as Mark Gore.

The uh veteran bar tavern owner.

It's not your first.

I know that.

No, it's not as many you have.

I've had about 40.

40.

This old Lord Ashley's on Pendleton Pike.

Right, right.

I'm there.

What's your plan with this one?

Are you gonna hold on to it and run it or are you looking for a buyer or what are you gonna do with it?

We we would probably sell it.

Sell it.

Are you gonna stay?

Are you gonna 21 and over only?

No, it's gonna have family dining.

So there'll be limited separation?

Yes.

So you're so you're the owner of Lord Hashley's, right?

No, that you're so you're the shady G pub.

Okay.

I got you.

I don't know if if Jim sat with you or not.

You might want to explain to Jim kind of what you do.

Yeah, I'm kind of well, I buy buy and sell.

Right.

Yeah.

Ashley's definitely needed to be uh spruced up and brought to 2025, that's for sure.

I will definitely agree with that.

Yeah.

So what's gonna go in there?

There's the family dining.

Okay.

Like a sports bar or just a just a regular sports bar.

It's kind of like a BW3s where families are welcome.

Let's hope you do better BW3s.

Yeah.

When do you plan to open?

We're open now.

Okay.

I thought you were.

What is your policy on checking IDs?

40 and under how many allocations do you currently own?

None right now.

One.

So yeah, on the payment point, yeah.

Yeah.

Which one?

One other one.

Which one?

Big C's.

Okay.

You don't have any other questions.

I don't have any questions really.

I'm I'm glad to see it getting changed over something better.

I I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Right on.

Then we have a renewal of RR 49 2001.

Scotch Incorporation, uh, Lord Ashley's pub at 11703 Pendleton Pike.

We know without violation.

With no violations, yes.

Therefore, you make a motion to make a motion to approve.

And I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Now we have a renewable violations as RR 4936592 8501 Pendleton Pike, Club LLC operating as the Harem House at 8501 Pendleton Pike.

Violation is pending, so I'm going to continue it to November.

Continue it to November.

All righty.

Okay, we have another renewal violation.

Go ahead and come forward, sir.

Hi, what money said?

Good morning.

Were you here when we swore in?

Yes.

Please have a seat.

Okay, what what was your violation?

What while you're here?

Well, let's start with your name.

What's your name, sir?

Okay.

Uh Sukovindar Singh.

And are you the owner?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Sorry, Jim.

Go ahead.

Okay.

So so what what white what brings you here today?

Your violation?

Yes, sir.

We do have a violation.

So you know what it is?

What is it?

Is uh giving alcohol to underase?

So what's your policy to for recording underage people?

Um we fired that employee next day.

Okay.

How many violations have you had?

That one, I think second.

Second, how many years?

Well, I'm uh I'm gonna stop you.

So the violation you're here for now isn't sales to minors.

It was for selling after hours.

Do you remember that violation?

You this is your third violation.

You had two violations for minors.

Um one in 23, one in 24.

We've already talked about those when you were here in October of last year.

Yes, ma'am.

And then now you're back again for a violation for selling outside of the legal selling hours.

Do you remember those violations?

Yes, I do.

Okay, so what happened?

Can you walk us through?

Yeah, the the cashier he made that happen, and next day we fire him.

You fired him for that?

Yes.

How many employees do you have?

Total four.

Any other violations that you're aware of?

Before the attitude, yes.

Well, even this one right here, and this nitrous oxide.

Ring a bell.

Sing it.

Uh what's it called here?

Laughing gas.

Yeah.

Nitrox brand nitrous oxide.

Laughing gas.

That no.

Am I reading that wrong?

No, no, it's in there.

You're selling laughing gas.

You're selling laughing gas.

Nitrosoxa.

That I don't know, so were you here that the the day the officers came in?

Were you there?

I came in the last year.

I know, but were you there the day the officers were at the gas station?

No, I'm not.

Well, so it's just the clerk?

Yes.

That was there.

Yes, ma'am.

How are you uh how often are you in the store, sir?

Uh actually uh since April 21st to up to September 30th.

I have my eye problem back and forth in the five timing India.

So just came, let come back and it goes in.

So who orders the the products that are in your business?

The man is it.

Uh who has the responsibility?

Um for those managers.

So you hired the managers, right?

Yes.

Your managers are buying and selling nitrous oxide.

Laughing gas.

You're not aware of that at all.

I don't know.

Seems a little well.

How long have you had this permit?

That but I'm going to re transfer from other location to here more than five years.

It's been five years.

More than more than five years?

Let me see.

I didn't think it'd been that long.

It also says in this violation that uh they attempted to locate the alcohol permit and located an expired permit hanging on a WOW is as well as an expired letter of extension.

Yes, we do extend did that extension.

Why was the extension necessary?

Why was the extension necessary?

That but he's expired, so then my CPA get that extension.

I that's why I think your permit uh we approved your this permit.

Um it looks like September of 2021.

So almost exactly four years ago.

So in four years, you've had two violations for sales to minors, and then times unlawful.

So you've had three violations in four years.

I'm sorry and I believe you were on a one, yeah.

You were granted a one year last time you were here because we just saw you a year ago in October.

I'm still hung up on nitrous oxide.

You're the owner, right?

Yes, you have no idea what's going through your business.

I I I find that hard to believe.

Yes, I do.

I find that or not a much, you know.

Well, I I do how many gas stations do you own?

We do have more than 40 gas station.

40.

Do the other four well, you don't know that this one has nitrous oxide.

How many?

I don't get it, man.

I don't get it.

I'm sorry.

Sorry, didn't cut it.

Yeah, who's responsible for this location illegal substance?

Yeah, who's responsible for making sure that the rules and the regulations of the commission are followed and the laws of the Indiana are followed?

I do, and my other partner How do you do that though when you're never at the location?

But I have other my partner.

He goes daily basis, and he talked with our manager.

I am the silent partner, but I go also the uh is he here with you?

No.

My concern is we're selling nitrous oxide.

What else is going out the door?

I mean, you you did you not know that was illegal?

He did not know nitrous oxide was illegal.

That I don't know, so illegal.

Well, that's a shame.

It's your business.

You should know what's going through your business.

Jim, they were on a one year.

And that's kind of that final shake the chain in my opinion.

Right agree.

So you know, I'd say we pull it.

Uh make a motion.

I make a motion to pull his liquor license.

To deny to deny to deny his liquor license.

Uh there's a motion to deny, and I'll second that, sir.

I just feel like this is out of control.

This is yeah, so with that we have a motion to deny and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Motion carries.

Best of luck, sir.

All right.

So before you leave, um, I need to get reasons from everyone for their denial.

Public nuisance for myself.

Okay.

Uh selling illegal substances.

I mean it's a criminal acts.

Criminal act, yeah.

Let me know.

I mean, you should know better.

I mean that.

Wow.

Anthony.

I'm gonna go for all three.

Um, public nuisance, criminal acts, and good moral character.

Okay.

And I am going to go with uh nuisance and the failure to follow the rules regulations of the commission.

Um, so this is what will happen, sir.

Okay, you've been denied by our board today.

It will go to the state commission.

They will review the testimony from this morning.

They will make a decision at their October 21st meeting.

You do not need to appear at that meeting.

Um, but they will notify you by mail what their decision is.

They could do one of three things.

They could uphold our denial and deny your renewal.

They could overturn our decision and approve your renewal, or they can remand it back to us for further uh for further discussion.

No, um, but they will notify you what their decision and let you know what your next step will be after that.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving on to Beach Grove.

Calling RR 4902 635 Ogaras, Irish Pub Incorporated, doing business as Johnny O's at 5022 East Main Street.

This is a renewal without violations.

Therefore, I make a motion to renew approve.

Motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Calling RR 4939393.

Um 102 N.

Second LLC doing business as Thursday Turtle 2 at 104 North Second Avenue.

Renewal without violations.

Therefore, I make a motion to renew.

Jeez, what's wrong?

I think there's second proof.

All right, motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right, renewal with violation.

Calling DR 4930437 Vidant holding LLC A1 liquors at 3418 South Emerson Avenue.

Question it to uh number third.

Okay.

Okay, we have nothing in Speedway today.

We just took care of Lawrence and Beach Grove, so we'll turn it over to Mr.

Luster and start with Indianapolis.

Calling RR494-2661, United States of America doing business as skate land, address 3902 Glen Arm Road.

This fund will be continued pending a withdrawal.

Calling RR494 2749, Levi's Kitchen LLC, doing business as Levi's Kitchen.

Address 1718 Southeast Street.

There you go.

Yeah, he's on his way.

He's almost here.

Okay, then stop in traffic.

Okay, we'll go ahead and we'll move you down the list then.

Okay.

Sorry, apologize.

No, it's calling RR 494 2787 Taco Halisqualo.

LLC doing business as Taco Halisco.

Uh address 1707 East Minnesota Street.

Yeah, they're here.

Good morning.

Your application, please to the officer.

You can have a seat, maybe.

Thank you so much.

No problem.

Uh you have a question?

What is it?

I only leave.

Sir, you're gonna have to wait.

You're interrupting the hearing.

All right.

So let's start with uh who are you and what's your relationship to the business?

I am Ivan.

I'm Frank Later.

She's the owner of the restaurant.

Okay.

And is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Okay, my name is Diana Melinda, so this is my first time I put the application for the alcohol.

Would you like to ask?

Sure.

I'm gonna ask you some questions and just speak up so they can hear it on the mic.

Um, did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

Uh she got help from Esther Barber.

Fill out the application.

Okay.

Did she have it?

And I think she said this, but for the record, um, did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes, we did.

Okay.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes, you know.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

I gotta look at the Gulfari agregar the application.

You nunca to be unproblematic.

She has uh white papers for over 18 years.

You guys never have any uh problems.

Seven liquor permission.

She just wants to add that to the record.

Okay.

All right.

Um, are you the only owner of the business?

See.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

I present Piazza de San Central Escuela or Iglesia.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant.

Uh warning.

Yeah, okay.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

Um no, it's about mis planes, but it's not on her plan, but if it's possible in the future, uh she will be okay.

Well, just so we're clear, did they fill out their form two to to do carry out?

It's a separate yeah, it's additional if they want to do carry out.

So they can't.

No, she can't right now.

She'd have to apply.

Oh, you do understand that you can't do carry out right now.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Are you applying for limited separation?

Like, are you gonna have a bar that's separate from the dining area of the restaurant?

Um what on this location is not really big.

It's only seven, eight tables depends.

Right now I put it books, but before what's tables, and it's no place to put a bar.

We just put it like revision and sell if they ask for like food in the same time to the pier.

But yeah, I'll put it something between them at that which appear.

Got it.

So you'll be serving at the table.

Okay, understood.

Yes.

All right, that's it.

How many seats?

How many customers?

Um before, like a week before, I was just gonna have like around like seven tables.

That was like four people for table.

But now my uncle offered me a book, and that's seven boots for they can be four or they can be six people.

Okay.

But um, I fixed the boots and for the people now.

That looks a little bit more better, and that was free books, so that was okay.

So, how many people can say?

So that will be around like 3640 people.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's it's really small business.

Yes.

Okay.

So you're working with Esther.

She helped you fill this out.

Have you done this the serving training or your employees all go through the serving training that she does?

Yes, I did.

I did a long time ago, and I still do it like every time she told me like renewed that the permit everything.

I was working for my family.

Um, they had a lot of restaurants, and I was working to care that people, and I never had a complaints or never they make something wrong to to sell like minors or nothing like that.

I just always take care of everything like that because that's what I might family support, and I don't want to lose that.

Wonderful.

Yes.

Uh so is this place open?

Right now it's open, but we just sales food right now.

We is and we had like SORAS or anything like that.

Yeah.

But we just been there almost like seven months.

Like around like seven months.

Do you have any questions about the rules and responsibilities associated with this license?

I don't think I have right now because I always like and I say I always go and follow that, and I don't want to make sure like to see like everything I can understand better before I do it.

I don't want to have that mistake, and especially on this country.

What are your hours?

Um right now it's only one girl in the kitchen and one lady, like all 80 outside to help me.

So we try to do like 11 in the morning and open it to sometimes like nine.

Depends.

Right now I just have sales like 200 all day.

We don't have much sale then because was other restaurant before, and I don't think that was a good for the other people.

But my hours right now is between eleven to nine.

Okay.

I plan I planning to stay like Friday and Saturday to 10, but I'm not sure ready because we need to pay more to the people, and it's not okay.

Um the reason I ask is because you're surrounded by houses, and the business that was in there before was not a very good neighbor, and the reason that it's not there anymore is because the neighbors came in and complained and their application was denied.

So just be a good neighbor and remember, you know, if you're you know the later you're open and the louder you are, you're gonna upset those neighbors.

I just been like seven months, but I think uh mostly all the neighbors who are going to tell me about uh other people was before there.

And I like only I say is I don't know that people was here before, but I planning to do a lot of good things, and they know I do a lot of good things.

Actually, my prize there are no bad, and I support that the the do not the streets every time they need me.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

I appreciate everything.

Thank you.

Calling R R 494 to 841, King's Bakery LLC doing business as King's Bakery.

Address 10069 East Washington Street.

So they've requested a continuance.

Calling RH4930387 ALM Indy in W L L C doing business as Courtyard Indianapolis Northwest.

Address 7226 Woodland Drive.

No, go ahead and come there on the front.

Okay.

I'm gonna have you come forward, please.

Was this tax form submitted?

Do you have a copy of that?

Yes.

There's a you had a tax form.

You had a tax form in here, but it's a different form.

Okay, yes.

That's not the one I need.

I need this one.

You guys have submitted that.

Okay.

Um also I think I saw it in there.

You had the affidavit for the sign.

Uh there too, but I have to sign straight for the idea.

Okay.

I have got the letter here.

And it'll wait.

Yeah.

Um, do you have the approval?

Did you send this to them?

Okay, so we can't hear anyone tell you.

Oh, yeah.

Uh don't worry about this.

So there is no one.

But you do have to do that.

So I'll do all the stuff.

Okay.

If you just you're unable to get it, um, we don't need to read the channel.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Moving on to transfers.

Calling R R 494-2566 SBP properties LLC doing business as Grindstone Charlie's.

Address 5383 Rockville Road.

Oh, I won't be more loving forever.

I saw it.

Okay.

Greg, who do you have with you?

Some of the Biara.

He's the owner.

He's the owner.

He does have others.

Yes, he bought the property looking for a tenant to lease it too.

Okay, we'll go into escrow.

Yes.

Okay.

Um, he knows that he has to come back in front of us.

Uh once you wait.

Well no, it's already there.

Location.

The location of Grhinstone Charlie's on Rockville Road.

Oh, all right.

Okay.

Yeah, so it'll it'll be a manager's questionnaire when the person comes in.

But you don't know what you want to put in there yet.

Are you looking for a bar?

Are you looking for a restaurant?

Restaurant.

So it will be some sort of family dining location.

And you have other butt you have other um permits?

I mean in the past he's held a held permits.

In the past, okay.

What other what other permits have you held?

Other restaurants?

Yeah, but remember Takeria Halisco.

Okay.

Some grocery permits.

Grocery permits.

Yeah.

Okay.

And why why don't you have those anymore?

Did you sell them or did you lose that license?

No, it's just I transferred.

Transferred.

Oh ye eighteen years ago.

All right.

Do you understand that if you bring a tenant in there working under your permit under a manager's questionnaire that you are the one that's responsible for any violations that occur?

You do understand that?

Could you say that out loud?

Just yes.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Well, any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Motion approved.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Calling RR4942811 in the Maury Sushi Hibachi Inc.

doing businesses.

Mori Sushi address 231 South College Avenue, Suite 200.

Good morning.

Oh, maybe just four.

Do you have any other things?

You know that you need the business house.

Okay.

Did you send another stage?

Yeah.

Yeah, and then we do that.

That's not the one we need.

It's the staff.

And on the second page.

Okay.

So you're going to continue to within three meetings.

Um sign up.

Good.

All right.

Calling RR4942839 TNT Enterprises Inc.

Address 5820 West 56 Street Suite 5.

Okay.

Calling RR4942840, Fernando's LLC.

Doing business as Fernando's Mexican Brazilian Cuisine 6320 Ferguson Street.

Thank you.

Hello.

Morning.

Uh Nick Boyles with Bradford and Riley, and with me I have Cristiano Rodriguez, the owner of Fort Fernandez.

This is a new location for them up in Broad Ru.

Um taking over the old Lou Malnautes space there just off of the canal.

A couple of restaurants locations in Indianapolis, one existing in Broaderville, um, as well as someone downtown here on Massav.

Um so has had experience, has a very strong record as well.

Um but happy to answer any other questions.

How many violations do you have on your existing permits?

Zero.

Zero.

What is your policy for checking ideas?

Anybody that looks under 40.

What's the capacity of this space?

The new space uh sits about 180.

So what I'll be doing is actually transferring uh my location at 834 E64th over to the bigger one.

Okay.

Um because uh we just kind of outgrew the current um space.

Good.

When he when do you plan to open?

Uh we are working on the building right now, probably three four months.

Um we plan to make the move.

Okay.

Now what happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

Uh we write them up the first time, and then the second time we we fire them.

Um thankfully we haven't not um had that happen yet.

Good.

Um we have a pretty strong policy of uh making sure that we card everybody sometimes we even card people that are like way over uh and they're like surprised, but we just like to maintain that that way we don't have any surprises.

Sometimes we even card people that are like way over uh and they're like surprised, but we just like to maintain that that way we don't have any surprises.

So how do you maintain how do you make sure that all of your employees' permits are active and they're not out of date?

My wife does all the back office and she is currently uh she's always um basically checking everybody's uh basically on a monthly uh basis.

We have everybody's stored in their file in the in the office.

Correct.

Great.

Any further questions?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Motion to approve, motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Good luck.

Thanks so much.

Calling RR 494 2849 Baba Deep Sink 13 Inc.

Doing business as whiskey business address 5220 East Southport Road Suite A.

Hey, sir, can you take your hat off for me?

Thank you.

Sorry.

Yeah, still Jeet Singh the owner of whiskey business is a second license.

Second also owns uh Bally Vista Country Club?

Oh, right up.

Yeah.

Um do you have a policy for checking IDs, sir?

Yes, I have policy.

I have scouty all the time outside you check the ID plus bot and check all the time IDs.

So they're checking twice.

They check when they walk in and that's wonderful.

Yeah.

What happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

No, anybody bought and just a fire.

There you go.

All right.

How do you make sure all of your employees keep their permits uh current?

Mostly at Jackabah all the people of Marty P is check the date and we're telling him all that you need to be renewed your butt all that time.

So you're in you you're responsible for that.

Yeah, wonderful.

Um how often will you be in the location?

Sorry.

How often will you be there?

I'm just about this business.

Two month ago.

No, she means uh three months from now.

How often are you going to be there?

I don't know to be in the year two years.

I don't know if that's a good idea.

I know.

Are you gonna go every day or you're gonna do it?

Oh, I go every day there, every day.

Is this your only business?

I mean, you have the other location, I understand.

Most wonderful.

Are you clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with having this license?

Yes.

This will be 21 and over only.

Yes.

Are you making any changes to the floor plan?

No.

You have any violations of your other license?

No.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Most to approve a motion to approve.

All second.

All those in favor say aye.

Good luck, sir.

Calling RR4942898, Warforth Group, LLC doing business as Illinois Street Food Emporium, address 5550 North Illinois Street.

Okay.

All righty.

So Nick Boyles uh with Radrid and Riley again.

Um and with you, Matthew.

Willough, um, owner for Willoughford, taking over operations for the Illinois Food Street Emporium there.

Um I don't know if that's still technically broad record or Rocky Ripple there.

Um, but yeah, right.

It's been there for a number of years, so taking over existing operations there.

Is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Yes.

All right.

Evan will have some questions for you.

We ask all first-time petitioners.

All right.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone prepare it for you?

Radford and Riley prepared it for us.

All right, and did you have a chance to review it after they prepared it?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

No.

Okay.

Are the other owners listed on the application?

Yes.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit permits at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carry out privileges?

I believe so.

Yes.

Okay.

Are you applying for limited separation?

Like will you have a bar separate?

No.

Okay.

Uh the place has been there a long time.

Yeah, 50 years.

Is that what it is?

50 years?

2029 will be 50 years.

All right.

Yeah.

Any changes you're gonna make?

No, we're gonna keep it the same.

It's work thus long.

I'm not gonna shake anything up.

What is your policy for checking IDs?

Anyone who looks under 40 years old.

What happens if an employee does serve a minor?

Then we would do an internal investigation.

We would suspend them while we investigate, look at security camera footage, understand if they did it intentionally or it was just negligence.

Um and in that situation, at minimum they would be retrained, but if it was negligence or willful misconduct, we would terminate them.

Okay.

Um you guys have any questions?

Are you planning to manage it yourself?

Will you be in there doing the day-to-day operations?

Yep.

I'm the operator, I'm in there every day, seven to three Mondays, seven to five, Tuesday through Friday, and Saturday, seven to two.

Do you have experience in the bar business?

Not in the bar business, no.

I work in restaurants, um, and business in general.

How will you make sure that all of your employees' permits are up to date?

We keep them on the office, they're all in file.

Um, and actually they their copies are on a board right at my desk, so I'm able to see their so it's your responsibility?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

Have there ever been any violations um at this location before?

I don't under the old ownership.

Yeah.

Previous ownership, not that I'm aware of.

But I I am not saying I don't have the folder in front of me.

Yeah, I'll I know we've been doing it for a number of years.

And you guys shut down pretty early in the afternoon, don't you?

Yeah, three on Mondays, 5 p.m.

Tuesday through Friday, and then two on Saturdays, and we're not open on Sundays.

Okay.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none.

Do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

All second.

All those in favor say aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling R R 4942899.

Annika Food Corporation doing business as Aroma Indian Cuisine and Bar address 130 South Pennsylvania Street.

Okay, requesting continues to next one.

Okay.

Calling RR4942907, Wild Eye Provisions LLC.

I'm not listening to the doing business as wildfire tent.

Address 1106 prospect.

You guys were just here, weren't you?

Yeah.

Not so long ago.

Oh man, that was that long ago.

I know, right?

Yeah.

Time goes.

That's how we feel too.

I'm sure it's all in order.

Let's just make sure.

Yep.

Answer your question.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Um, Nick Royals with Bradford and Riley.

Um, placing Jeff McKean on this one.

Um, and then I'll have the gentleman introduce themselves.

Uh I'm Scott Hughes, one of the owners.

Nicholas Brown, the other owner.

What are we doing, fellas?

We're getting a 210 permit.

It's a transfer you were here in June, what for?

I can't remember.

We had a a violation on the beer and wine permit that we were managing.

But it was a weird violation, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was liquor left over in the building, and we didn't week so where we took over.

That's right.

And we should have gone through and cleaned everything out, and we just had not made it that far yet.

And so uh is this the same address?

Yep.

Yep.

Correct.

Yes, correct.

What was the name of the location before?

Turkey.

Okay.

And they had a three-way in there uh originally, but I guess a year before we bought it and took over, he had sold that was the story we got.

I don't know.

I didn't fact check that, but yeah.

Um do you have a policy for checking IDs?

40 and up or 40 and under.

Um similar like reprimand policy to what's been stated, like you know, internal investigation if we find out it was uh intentional, then immediate termination if we find out it was just an oversight or negligence, then you know, probationary status for the employee retraining, and then um you know move forward from there with as you know, we see that they're able to maintain keeping an eye on what they're doing.

How do you guys separate your duties?

Who does what?

Well, I'm more the kitchen and the the brains behind that on operation and then um Scott Yeah, I mean I guess I'm more front of house and then all the insurance policies and uh employee issues a lot or me dealing with that um that type of stuff.

So what's the capacity of your space?

A fire marshal just brought us a sign that said 99 and your hours of operation?

Uh 11 to 11 a.m.

to midnight, uh Monday through Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

We open at 9 a.m.

for brunch and then stay open until midnight.

Clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with having this license?

Yes.

Any changes to the operation other than going from the two-way to the three-way?

Everything else would be the same.

Not currently.

We planning getting with the code consultant to uh open up the back storage space, but that's for like a gaming room, but that's in the future.

I think we talked about that last time, didn't we?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It's a mirror image.

The building is one side 2800 square foot, the other side 2800 square foot.

So we're just talking about the restaurant side 1106 right now, currently.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to oh go ahead.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you guys.

Moving on to renewal with violations.

He's got it.

Calling DL 4991005 Speedway LLC.

Doing business at Speedway number 5525 address 4120 East Southport Road.

Speedway.

All right, options continued.

Calling DL4920495 Aldi, Indiana LP doing business as Aldi number 75, address 5235 North Keystone Avenue.

John says Aldi.

Morning.

Do you have your paperwork?

No, I'm sorry, it's a violation.

Never mind.

What's your name and your relationship to the business?

I'm Sydney Hollinger.

I'm a district manager for Aldi.

And do you know why you're here?

Yes.

Would you like me to tell you?

Yes.

Um, William Ford on March 7th sold alcohol to a minor, did not check ID and sold to the customer.

What happened to Mr.

Ford?

Per Aldi policy, um, first violation is a final warning with us.

We reassign all of their training, make them re-sign off on the policy.

If he does it again, it will be termination.

What is your policy?

I have a copy of the National Procedure for Alcohol Sales if you want it.

Um, but we check ID for anyone that appears to be under 40 and don't sell to anyone under 21.

All right.

Have you had any other violations at this address?

I am not sure.

I'm a traveling district manager, so I don't know about previously, but since I've had the store for the past two and a half years, this is our only one.

Okay.

I don't believe they have.

I think this is their first.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Pretty straightforward.

Hearing none, I'll accept a motion.

Motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

All second.

All those in favor say aye.

I thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Calling RR 492 4842, Taipaya Inc.

doing business as Type Papaya Restaurant.

Address 3905 West 96th Street.

Suite 1000.

I guess we're going to be able to do that.

They've only been continued once, so I will show them continued again.

Send them another notice.

Calling RR4993208, the Mucky Duck Pub LLC, doing business as the Mucky Duck.

Address 4425 25 Southport Crossingway.

They requested a continuance.

Calling RR4904451 D and E Groves LLC doing business as 31 bar and grill address 3131 Shelby Street.

This one has multiple violation reports.

What's your name?

David Rhodes G R O E S.

And what's your relationship to the business?

I own it.

How long have you owned it?

Since 2010.

Okay.

Do you know why you're here?

Yeah, I've got some violations.

Okay, what are they?

I can't list all of them.

Good start.

I don't have them with me.

The biggest one for me is the uh license where I didn't have the proper insurance and I wasn't keeping track of the Indiana laws and the changes in the laws.

That's that's 100% my fault.

I just neglected that and uh I shouldn't have done that.

Then uh the uh I had a bartender that was kind of a troublemaker and was over serving starting fights.

She no longer works there.

When did there you go?

Do you know about how many violations you got?

Well, I know it was on one ticket form and continued on another.

And I couldn't read the writing, that's why I can't tell you particularly what they were.

I know it cost me $2,000 in fines.

Well, that was just for one violation.

You've had you had a violation in 2023 for not having proper signage for your EBT, not having employee permits, and not removing ashtrays, and that resulted in a $500 fine.

Then you had a violation in 2024 for uh employee permits, certificates, um, or let's see, public nuisance and sales to intoxicated persons.

Uh and then in 2025, you had a gaming violation, an expired permit, sales to intoxicated person, smoking, no manager's questionnaire, and employee permits again, which resulted in a $2,000 fine plus a three-day suspension.

Does that sound correct?

Yes.

Okay.

That's a lot of violations.

Yes, it is.

It's uh take full responsibility.

Well, I mean, it is your responsibility.

You're the owner.

I realize that.

Um did you say you purchased the location?

What year?

2010.

2010.

So if we go back to since you've purchased it, you've had a violation in 2012, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2023, 2024, and 2025.

That's not a good track record.

I agree.

Sir, what would you do in our spot here?

If we if you're on this board and you had the responsibility for the county, and you had somebody come in in a short amount of time.

I mean, I'm trying to figure out what rules you are following.

Um I have not been at the bar like I should be.

That's changed.

I'm spending a lot more time there now.

Changed since when?

Well, since this last uh deal with the insurance and the fight and all that stuff.

My manager obviously was not helping.

Didn't do you any favors.

Well, that any further questions from the board here.

Uh sir, what was your last name?

Groves.

That's right.

All right.

Mr.

Groves, uh, you're not gonna like to hear this, but I'm gonna make a motion to deny.

I think this thing is way out of line.

The next thing that happens is someone gets hurt out there.

We've already had a shooting.

We've already had a shooting, so we've sat on this board long enough to know, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire, and we need to we need to put this one out.

So I'm gonna make a motion to deny.

Is there a second?

Second.

There's a motion and a second for denial.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Best of luck, sir.

So before we move on, I need to before you leave, sir.

I need to let you know what do you want to know what will happen?

Do you want to know what your next step is?

Sure.

Okay, until I have a seat.

So we denied your renewal today.

It will go to the commission on October 21st.

They will review the testimony from this morning.

They will make a decision on the 21st.

They can do one of three things.

They can uphold our denial and deny you renewal.

They can overturn our denial and approve your renewal, or they can remand it back to us for further investigation.

You do not need to appear at the at the meeting on the 21st, but they will notify you by mail of their decision, and then you will have an option uh to appeal their decision if you wish to do so.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

Do I need reasons from everyone?

Uh public nuisance for me.

Yeah, public nuisance.

And I am going to go with public nuisance and failure to follow the rules and regulations of the commission.

Any rules.

Yeah.

I thought we already heard this one.

That's the next one.

From the high five.

I thought we did.

I thought we did too.

Really?

Unless that they do it again.

They mixed it in themselves or something.

Yeah.

Calling RR4930605 boiler room industries LLC.

Do a business as the high fi address 1043 Virginia Avenue Suite 4.

Let me make sure.

Okay.

Yeah, but I remember that one.

Okay.

Well, let's move on.

I'll check it and we'll come back to it if we need to.

Calling RR4931114 Corporation DOS Inc.

doing business as Takaria Magwee.

Maggie.

Um address 3920 North High School Road.

You either got it so bad, or they're not here.

This bad.

This is good.

I'll show it continued.

Calling RR4932859, Indianapolis Burn, LLC.

Doing business as burned by Rocky Patel.

Address 49 West Maryland Street Suite C through 30B.

Oh, next month's gonna be terrible.

Anyone here for burn?

So it continues.

Calling RR4934739, KJ Bond LLC, doing business as Rights Corner, address 2137 South Marine History.

Morning ma'am.

Were you sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

I was sure.

Okay.

Nick Bells with Bradford and Riley and with it.

I have Kimberly Vaughn, owner of KJ Vaughn's Reds Corner.

Ms.

Vaughn, how long have you had your license?

2018, seven years.

All right.

Do you know why you're here today?

Violations in January of 24, am I right?

Uh what violations?

Um no smoking sign in my window and no uh rules for the post house.

Okay.

And then minimum food requirements, too.

Yes, I'm sorry.

Yes.

All right.

Well, did you know you were supposed to have all that?

Yeah, I do now.

That's the way this always works.

All right.

Well, tell us about what changes you've made.

Well, I've added two signs.

I've added more food in the kitchen for it to be 25 people or more.

From milk, coffee to pizzas, chips, soup.

How long have you lived in Indianapolis?

No lot.

When they did the non-smoking, it was a big deal.

A lot of people talked about it.

That was a long time ago.

Yet you still have ashtrays.

They were in a storage room.

I mean, they weren't out.

You understand you can't have smoking in there at all.

Yes.

See, there were cigarette butts in it, so but you roll your eyes, but that's that's kind of the problem here, right?

Yeah.

You're not I'm afraid you're not taking it seriously.

They were in the storage room, I just didn't think anything about it.

It was January.

I mean, so then were the employees smoking in there because it was cold and they didn't want to go outside.

No, I just don't think they were emptied.

I think they were just stored in there like that.

Do you have your game your gaming all taken care of?

I did.

So was your employee smoking or no?

No.

Okay.

Is this your first violation?

You heard you heard the one previous to you.

What happens when you don't follow the rules, right?

Right.

Miss Vaughn, are we done with all this?

Yes.

Okay.

And you understand what fool what food you have to have.

Yes.

What food do you have to have?

Um that to feed 25 people on more as far as coffee.

Um, juice, milk, chips, soup.

You don't have to have chips, but you have to have hot soup and hot sandwiches.

You were missing all everything but the coffee and the soda.

You have all of that exit.

If X size came in right now, you'd have all the replacements.

Yes, I do.

You'd have all your signs posted.

Yes, I do.

You would not have any ashtrays.

It wouldn't smell like cigarette smoke.

Oh.

All right.

The way this historically works when there's violations, they come back.

So I'll just tell you uh if it's taken care of, you won't have any problems.

Okay.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve.

Is there a second?

Second.

Motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Those reluctant.

Thank you.

Okay.

Calling RR 493 5371 45 LLC doing business as the Vogue address 6259 North College.

You guys were correct on boil on hi-fi.

We had heard it.

We did okay, yeah.

I thought so.

This feels so familiar.

Yeah, okay.

Anyone have I've got I'm showing two violation reports for the Vogue.

Um hi.

Were you sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

I was.

Okay.

What's your name, sir?

Corey Garagus.

And your relationship to the business.

I'm the bar manager.

And do you know why you're here?

Uh I believe they were up for renewal and we had a violation in September, I believe, before I was the bar manager.

When did when did you take over?

In March.

Uh tell me about the responsibilities of a bar manager.

Uh ensure licensing is correct.

Ensure that the um the all the employees are licensed and have their license on them.

Make sure we have the licensing on permit, follow all the food requirements, make sure IDs are checked correctly.

I uh on that is just all the ordering, scheduling, managing the bar.

What was going on before you showed up?

Most of it was right, but there was uh the food requirements were not met.

Uh the previous manager was not good at keeping an organized um copies of the liquor licenses.

Um and the manager questionnaires were not filled out.

Yeah.

So when I read the violation, these are just the management issues, right?

These are the paperwork.

This is the business side of what you're doing.

Exactly.

Um we had one in August and one in tw in February.

When did you get there?

March.

Um probably why, right?

All right, that's what I think.

How many employees do you have?

How many servers?

Uh approximately 30 bartenders and service.

And you're keeping track of the employee permits now?

Yes.

Okay.

And how do you do how do you do that?

Do you go through it every day or uh monthly?

I keep a I have a list of monthly who I have a my personal reminder that every month I look, and whoever's up that month, I notify them.

You're up this month.

This is your date.

If you don't have it to me and I copy by that date, then you won't be put on the schedule.

Okay.

And have you come completed a manager's questionnaire?

And that's been submitted.

Yes.

And ensure that everyone else that had ever acted on the have had has theirs too.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

There's a motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR 493-6287, Takaria La Chella LLC.

Doing business as Takaria La Chella, address 720 East 38th Street.

Warren.

Good morning.

Sir, you're here to remonstrate, correct?

I'm here.

Yes.

Okay.

We'll have you sit at this table, please.

Were you here at the beginning when we called for remonstrators?

I was.

You were?

Did you come up?

No.

He was here last month.

Yeah.

Um you can go ahead and have a seat.

Just make sure that green light is on on that microphone.

They do not have any violations.

So it was set to be an auto renewal last month, and he appeared to to remonstrate, which is so was continued to today.

No, yeah, is there is the light on?

Green light.

Just push that gray button.

Okay.

But there's no violations.

There's no violations.

What's your name, ma'am?

Uh RKDS.

And you're the owner?

Yes.

Are you translating?

Uh no, I'm just here for support.

Okay, what's your name, sir?

Dustin Kai.

Do you have a license that I recognize you?

You've been here before.

Uh yeah, I've helped a few other people.

You've helped you here.

Yeah, prepare.

Okay.

All right.

Well, for no violations, I would I guess it's a little shake up, but we'll uh would you like to hear why the gentleman I guess it doesn't matter, we're gonna hear it anyway.

Sir, what was your name?

I'm sorry, David Kingan.

Okay, and uh were you sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

I was okay.

We'll have you go ahead.

We appeared um because we um we believe that the um records in the department of metropolitan development, the department of businesses neighborhood services for the city of Indianapolis indicate that this property is zone D5.

Residential.

I don't know how they've gotten a liquor license.

I don't know how they operated that long.

Uh I've done research, and um you could certainly call the Department of Metropolitan Development, and they indicated that there have been no variances.

The property is zone D5.

I have a map for each of you.

Um you can clearly see that well I know I I know that um last month you had mentioned that you had issues with the I'm looking at the paperwork from the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services, and it's showing their zone properly for a family restaurant that it was done in 2020.

And I would asking what evidence have you seen have you seen the no, I asked for that, but I did not obtain a copy.

I can show this to you if you'd like to take a look at it.

We don't deal with zoning.

We go whatever the whatever we receive from that department.

I've done this board a long time.

You don't issue uh liquor license to establishments that the property is zoned residential.

They show up with the full application, all the documents they need, and one of those comes from a different agency that tells this board they're good to go.

I mean, I don't research the zoning for every one of these cases.

I understand that we're bringing evidence before you that says that we believe that the records in there.

Perhaps this was done in the air.

But I think your issue then would be with the zoning and not with us.

Again, the liquor license, I've known this board a long time.

I've never seen them uh issue a license for property that is zone D5 residential.

I I don't disagree if it's not correct.

Well, correct.

I would say that I have a letter also and I copied for you from uh Joe Lesey, who is the um land use chairman for the Meridian Kessler Neighborhood Association.

They've appeared before you many times.

His statement is uh hi David, we'd be supportive of a continuance.

This was not on my radar, and I would agree that they would need to go through the proper paperwork to get the zoning cleaned up.

I unfortunately cannot be able to attend the hearing on Monday.

So we would submit this, that they're also asking.

We're not trying to deny the license, we're trying to get them to operate legally.

And we believe that this board should not be renewing a license when this evidence has been brought before you.

We would ask you to continue it again to give them an opportunity to file the proper paperwork.

I think this gentleman did call me and on the phone and said he had some documentation that was properly zoned.

Well we'll let you complete your testimony first, sir, and then we'll go to them and allow them to testify.

Sure.

So I'm gonna make sure that you have you've given us all the information that you'd like to give us before we move to them.

I believe so.

Okay.

I'm gonna have you fill this out too, please.

What so where's the evidence about the zoning?

The map that I think here's the paperwork that we have on file.

No, he's asking for the paint the map that I provide to him.

I understand that.

Was that provided to you?

You still have it over there.

I think I gave you that.

This looks like a zoning thing to me.

Yeah.

Right.

So you can give us a another instance where you granted a license to a property zone D5?

Probably not, but I'm saying that this is zone.

I mean, not that you gotta take this up with zoning.

I'd say all parties are involved, uh, all three departments.

Have you talked to zoning the pardon?

Have you talked to the zoning people?

Yes, I have.

And what did they tell you?

That there's no evidence that this property is properly filed or properly zoned.

They don't have a copy of that form that I just showed you.

They did not twenty if I may uh it was just our best understanding that it we simply have a variance of use.

Um I submitted the application to them and in response.

I'm not sure if it was the same.

You're looking at it, it's just the same one we submitted to you guys.

Yeah, so that's that's all we have.

Um I understand that uh David here has been trying to offer his services.

Um I just simply don't think we need them at this time unless we hear from zoning or somebody else that's stating that I think we've we've been operating good in the violation for a while, so um not sure how to continue.

Yeah, I think that makes sense at this point.

Um, when going back to what Officer Sunio said at the beginning, when people come before the board to have their license approved, denied, whatever, um, they're bringing paperwork that show you know that it's been properly zoned.

So if that was the case when they came in here, we're operating off of that information.

So if there was some sort of issue with the zoning not happening properly, that is going to be a zoning issue.

But at this point we don't have any reason to deny their license.

I think this gentleman just indicated that he had filed or use variance.

I've searched, I have copies of use variances here that they filed on this property that they're withdrawn or denied, then approved.

So I'd like to see the copy that he has.

I'll be more than happy to show it.

And Amy, what what in other counties?

What has happened?

This is not a variance.

This is not a variance.

That's the approval.

That's the approval from I'm suggesting to the board that I've done the research and the Department of Bentworth and Development, right?

On the 18th floor of this building.

Yeah, you can go up there and uh verify my I'm under oath.

I believe that there's still zone D5.

And I don't believe this commission should act on a continuance, is probably appropriate to give them the opportunity to either bring evidence that he's correct.

So what you believe versus what is actually logged in the paperwork are two different things.

No, no, the map, ma'am, the map.

But if we don't have any, like I don't I'm trying to understand what's the government here.

Yeah, and I think where we go from here is that this is a zoning issue.

Maybe department yeah, and I I already have a copy of the copies of the maps too.

Thank you.

Um so this board does not hear an application until we have an approved zoning form from them.

We have we have an approved zoning form on file with their application.

So if the issue is with zoning, then you're gonna have to take that issue up with I'd say that the board needs to take that issue up with a department that's providing you something that's in conflict with when they do something that violates the use of the license, that's when this board will intervene.

At this point, they don't have any violations on our license.

So there's nothing for this body to do with them today.

So at this point, I think we because we do have other things that we need to hear, so we can just go ahead and wrap this one up.

I would encourage you to continue speaking with zoning because maybe there's a clerical issue on their end, but as far as the information that we have, they're approved to conduct their business.

We we've given you evidence.

I've seen no evidence other than a letter.

This is an actual map of the city showing that the property is zoned.

Sir, the evidence is that they have a legal right to operate their business.

They do not have any violations, and there's nothing else.

I don't think there's anything else for us to discuss on this today.

The board has the other option if we continue it again to allow them to bring evidence or I don't think that'll be necessary, but if you continue on with the zoning department and they do indicate that something was wrong, then maybe there's something for us to discuss at this point.

But it right now, I don't think that there's any good reason why we would need to continue this.

So I agree with Anthony uh a thousand percent.

I also I don't believe it hurts anything to give this man a continuance either.

In the request from the neighborhood.

Yeah, I yeah, I uh I don't see that wrong.

We want to do things legally.

We want businesses operating in the appropriate zoned areas.

I'll give you that.

That's that matters to us.

Um can we bring the future to the present?

Let's say a month from now, two months from now, the zoning's not correct.

What would happen to their license?

I'm sorry, I was reading this.

Oh that's what you're talking about.

If we come to find out today, tomorrow, or a year from now.

I if we find out that they're not zoned properly, then we could deal with it then.

But as of today, we have a zoning verification from the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services that approves them as a family restaurant.

And that this board acts on that approval.

I don't know what else we would act on.

Yeah.

And until we hear from the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services that they're not zoned properly.

I I don't feel like there's anything for us to do.

Respectfully.

Um is it your wish to uh your sole reason for remote rating just so you can offer your services?

No, absolutely not.

Okay.

Um I was just gonna say that just in the like one percent chances of clinical error or something up with the uh zoning or whatnot.

Uh we we have somebody else that we would go up with just one of the week, you know, it's fine.

Okay, we're okay.

Um I think we can move on.

Do I have a motion?

Okay.

Are we approving?

Or what is the motion?

We have to make a motion to show up with documents.

I'm sorry.

Do you show up with their letter?

I mean, right now I have a map and some stuff, but I have their letter, their documentation that says they're clean and clear.

The map came from the Department of Metropolitan Development.

So did their approval service.

No, their letter of approval came from the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services.

The organization that we need approval from.

The body that handles zoning in in this city and county is the Department of Metropolitan Development.

We've given you evidence that they say that the property is zone D5.

So right now your issue is with the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services.

I guess it's with this board, the Department of Metropolitan Development, the Department of Business and Neighborhood Services, and we'll carry forward with the Neighborhood Association to try to find out why those three bodies cannot seem to get this straight.

When you do that, then we'll report back to you.

Thank you very much.

I'll make a motion to approve the renewal.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you very much.

Sir, did you give me that form back?

Sorry, that form that I had you fill out.

Sorry.

All right.

Calling DL4905959, Bob Tiplet Inc.

Doing business as Mars Heels Liquors.

Address 36 36 33 Kentucky Minute.

Anyone here from Marshall?

I will show it continued.

Calling DL493-227 Rockville 73 Inc.

Business's King Liquors.

Address 7302 Rockville Road.

Yeah, ma'am go ahead and have a seat.

Hello.

How are you today?

I'm good.

And what is your name?

Belinda Carter.

Ms.

Carter, do you what's your relationship to the business?

I work there.

You're are you a manager?

Assistant manager.

Assistant manager.

Where's the owner?

He's out of he's in India because his father died.

Do you run the day-to-day operations?

I'm part of them.

Okay.

So do you work just at this location or do you work at just this location?

Okay.

How often are you there?

Uh six days a week.

Are you familiar with the violation?

Um work permit.

Do you know what happened?

No, not.

He said that you send me a copy of this.

Yes.

I was told that um I guess one of the workers didn't have his permit, and he told them that he did have a permit.

Um and you're the assistant manager?

Yes.

Have you ever hired anybody before?

I've recommended people, but I'm not the one that hires.

Who's that?

That would be my boss.

The owner who's in India?

Yes.

You guys want to have him come in?

Mr.

Frey, ma'am, that you can't answer any of our questions.

And this happens a lot.

We jump out of.

Let me ask this before we do that.

How often is the owner in this location?

Uh at least two to three times a week.

And were you the manager?

Were you working there in November of 2024?

2024?

Yes.

It's a violation for I mean, she should she should be able to at least tell us if all of these have been cleared up.

Um I've only been assistant manager for a year.

Okay.

So the the violations were for an employee not having their employee permit, and then the location not having records of employee permits.

So do you know do all of the clerks now have employee permits?

Yes.

Valid employee permits.

And how do you know that?

Because it's me, my boss, and his sister that worked there now.

Okay.

Whose responsibility is it to check to make sure everybody's permits are valid?

His and are there copies of employee permits captain?

They're on the windows now.

Okay.

Yeah.

What about other violence?

Okay.

Okay.

Um other violations at this location?

Not that I'm aware of.

So you have all these taken care of?

Yes.

There was something about uh EBT signage.

We don't take EBT.

Do you have an ATM machine?

Yes.

Okay, they're required to have EBT signage on the ATM machine.

Yeah.

So do me a favor and go back today and make sure that that signage is on that ATM machine.

And what is that for?

For EBT.

They they can use the EBT card in there?

It'll yeah, there's restrictions that'll tell you.

Oh, okay.

I thought you meant like at the register.

No, on the eight on the ATM.

Okay.

And it looks like there was a warning for tobacco, the tobacco certificate.

Um no smoking signage.

Do you guys have the no smoking signs posted now?

On the front door.

Okay.

Is the do you know where the alcohol permit is posted?

It is in the window with the um R licenses.

Is it tobacco certificate up there as well?

Yes.

There's also something in here about window clings.

Yeah, that's one of those, I don't want to say obscure laws, but one of those that we don't see very often.

Got it.

Um there's kind of what they're allowed to to display on the outer windows and whatnot.

That's been taken care of.

Okay, well, if you're the assistant manager, I'd just say these are paperwork issues.

This is management stuff that somebody's gotta be in charge of.

Yeah.

Um it's not your name on the license, so it's not your license, but you have a responsibility as an employee with that title.

So um you're telling us it's all taken care of.

I'd just let you know they'll be back to make sure.

So don't rest too much.

With that, I'll accept the motion.

Most to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

I aye.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Have a good day.

Calling RR493 6973, South South Broad Ripper Brewing Company LLC doing businesses, the beer brewery in Tap Room 513 East 65th Street.

Anyone for the beer brewery tap?

Show it continue.

Calling RR493 8398 PC Entertainment LLC, doing business as nevermore.

Address 39 Jackson Place, suite 135.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Alexander Mills supposed to be in Evans for PC Entertainment.

Matthew Dragus is one of the owners of PC Entertainment.

Matthew, do you know why you're here?

I do.

Why?

Uh we had a couple of violations.

One was the uh license fell uh behind the POS, so it wasn't displayed because someone decided to use Scotch tape to put it up.

Uh huh.

And the other one was my uh general manager had uh an expired uh uh license and um general manager, yeah, which makes it so much worse.

So Matt and I have talked about that.

Obviously, the having the permit posted is an easy fix.

Um the other is just he has a system in place now as an owner working with the manager, everybody's permit, including managers, expiration date, and making sure that everybody is uh has a current license and training on file.

Also taken care of.

It is, and and Matt, we were talking he has uh this is his only establishment in Indiana, but he operates how many I have ten liquor licenses in fourth states.

California, Virginia, and otherwise.

So he understands the the seriousness of holding an alcohol permit and also the administrative responsibility to make sure that um employees have permits and so forth.

So don't anticipate this being an issue in the future.

I've I've had liquor license in 2009, and these I've only had two violations, and these are both of them.

Yeah, I don't remember seeing you before.

Is the manager Thompson is that's still the manager?

No, he's not, he's not around.

You have a new manager, yeah.

Well, it I have partners who are managing.

So who's responsible?

Who's in there every day for the day today?

Sabronica Luft.

I'm sorry.

Sabronica Luft.

And she's one of the owners?

Uh she's a partner.

Okay.

Does a partner mean equity?

Uh it means she has uh um ownership in the profitability of it.

Okay.

So she doesn't own the equity, but if the business does well, there's bonuses or something.

Got it.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, maybe it's I like to hear myself talk, but these are management issues here.

Sounds like you guys have your arms around uh not seen you before.

Um to further questioning if we don't have any I'll accept the motion.

Has the ATM signage been cleared up?

There's a note in here about the um, I don't know if you heard the last case, but the EBT signage that's supposed to be affixed to the ATM.

EBT.

There's yeah, yeah, there's a sticker.

There's a sticker that goes to the ATM E.

Oh, yeah.

I don't believe we have an ATM anymore.

So you don't have an ACM in a business anymore.

Well, if you do go back and check today, well I've got it there right after this.

Make sure you get the sign for it.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

With that, I'll accept a motion.

Motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR493 8668, the district theater inc, doing business as the district theater.

627 Massus that I believe she's sword in.

I think she came in after.

Ma'am, were you here at the beginning of the meeting?

I was.

What did were you sworn in?

I was okay.

All right, great.

Greg Genrick with Brad Bonrat with me is Pauline Moffitt, who's the general manager of the district theater.

This is a client that I was we first got them with, they were part of Central Indiana Community Foundation, was overseeing them.

They've since divested their interest in it.

Those communication errors where we were communicating with the foundation and not with Pauline directly.

License got expired because there was no insurance.

And we have a plan going forward that we can get only with with Pauline on all correspondence.

Okay.

So they were a client of years before.

Yes.

But they were being basically uh Central Indiana Community Foundation came in to basically save the theater.

Got it.

Well, thank you.

And kind of bailed out and then got up on a stable footing, got a board in place.

Brian Payne was the president until two years ago.

Two years ago.

Yeah.

And then basically they got the independent board now with they they invested money, but they're no longer involved in the operation or anything.

Okay.

So did the the CICF hold the liquor license or did it miss Moffat held the liquor license?

Um District Theater, which is a nonprofit organization held it, but Central Indiana Central Indiana Community Fund was who kind of managed all the up the back end operation for it until what two years ago?

Um March of 2024.

They hand it over to us.

But unfortunately, a lot of the paperwork was continuing to go to the to CICA.

It wasn't being forwarded to us.

And so we got into it.

It was just a bit of a messy change.

The permit had been expired for almost three weeks to 20 days when the officers came in.

Now you've got someone doing the renewals for you, right?

Yes.

Yes.

So we won't have that problem again.

We will not.

Okay.

Yes.

No.

Any further questions?

No.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Second.

And a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR 493 8992 Indy Supermarket address 2040 East Washington.

This one will be continued for a pending violation.

Calling RR4939858 Noodle Ventures LLC doing business at Slippery Noodle Inn.

Address 372 South Meridian Street.

Good.

Morning.

Morning.

Afternoon.

Not yet.

Morning.

All right, sir.

What is your name and your relationship to the business?

Uh Sean Lothridge, one of the owners.

One of the owners.

Do you know why you're here, Sean?

Yes, sir.

Why?

Uh we had a violation.

Uh two gentlemen left the premise with an open container.

Yeah, all right.

Uh what do you guys do to make sure that doesn't happen?

So since then we posted signs at all the exits saying it's illegal to leave the premise with a container, we rechained all the staff, and then any high volume days we post doormen at every exit to make sure guests aren't leaving with containers.

You didn't have anybody at the door beforehand.

Not on that day we did not.

What day of the week was it?

I think it was a Saturday up there.

What was it?

I'm sorry.

Is it Saturday?

Saturday, March 7th at 4 o'clock.

Okay.

Um I don't know if you guys having a lot of violations and you have a lot of volume running through there, that's for sure.

So now you have a doorman.

Uh how do you how do you what criteria do you do you use to decide if you're gonna have a door man or not?

So typically we have uh they come in at four to five o'clock on the day of the week, and then they work through the night shift, so during the daytime it's just up to the staff and the day of bartender, the managers on duty.

Um so every day at four you have someone at the door?

Yes, sir.

Oh, okay.

How long have you guys owned it?

Uh just over two and a half years.

We got a march of 23.

And no other violations, correct?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Any further questions?

No, sir.

Hearing none.

Oh, I'm sorry.

It's fine.

Do you have anyone?

Let's have it.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh with that I'll make a motion to approve.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling R R 493998.

Yes, you let you fusion ink doing business as moon, bar and grill.

Address 148 East Market.

This one does.

Let's see.

We gotta go back and clean up calling.

Clark, you gonna sit over there?

Is that all right?

Or should I you miss it there?

Five.

Probably so with your client.

Okay.

Approach.

Oh, the five.

That's some new ones.

All right, let me get over here.

Uh signatures.

This one will this will have two violations.

Okay.

Drop seven years.

Would you like them to sit come forward and sit over there or sit with the right?

Yeah, if you're here to remonstrate, please please come forward.

And then you can just take a seat on this side of the table.

Or either side of the table.

Sorry, I'm gonna girl jump.

Just make sure the green light is on on your microphone.

Yeah, they're okay.

Was everyone sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

You have not been sworn in?

No.

Okay, go ahead and raise your right hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear from the penalty?

Let me start over.

Do you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or any answers you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Thank you.

Okay, so we have remonstrators.

You're gonna have a chance to go first.

We allow you to explain why you're here, why you should keep your license, then we'll ask the remonstrators why they're here, why they're remonstrating against you, then we'll come back to you and you'll have the final say.

So it starts here and goes to the remonstrators, and then it comes back to you for final say.

Does that make sense?

Yes.

And we're gonna start with just the violations.

We're gonna start with the violations.

Yeah, um, so my name's Clark Kirkman, I'm with Claire Quinn Quinlaw on behalf of Fusion Inc.

Um, so Tajinder or TJ is the owner of Fusion Inc.

He he purchased the premises in uh the late spring of 2023, and he's been running the moon bar for two years.

Um it was a transfer of ownership uh approved on June 22nd of 23.

He signed a lease with the landlord earlier that yeah.

Um it was closed for a couple months to do the build out, and they opened in July of 2023.

Okay.

Um later that year, soon after he opened, he received um a violation for not having um employee records up to date.

That that is tab one in my materials.

Um it's actually TAP B.

Um it was settled in you know, short order.

It was a 250 dollar uh civil penalty for um just employee not having a permit.

And uh my client did bring his binder that he has, you know, that he keeps at the bar or on his person.

That's you know, he's he's got all the employee records, all the server training certificates, everything is up to date, and he he maintains that um meticulously.

Um so in March of this year, um the there's a new hotel open right next door to the moon bar, it's called the Aloft Hotel, it's right over there.

Um the relationship between the nightclub and the and the hotel initially was was was rocky because you know there's just there was um you know there was just some some friction.

Um but the you know they've since um worked together, they've collaborated on ways to to run the business and uh and on the hotel side as well, um, like which way the line runs and things of that nature.

My my clients actually unplugged some of his uh subwoofers at the business to you know help with the noise that was permeating because they they literally share a wall.

I'm uh I'm gonna stop you right there for just a minute.

Is that part of the violation report?

Or is that if the issues with what you think is gonna happen with the remonstrance?

The this hot that the hotel is not here.

I'm just kind of level setting.

Um right around that time when the when the that new hotel opened is when uh IMPD and XIS got involved at the moon bar.

There the this report um was from March, so it was soon after the hotel opened.

Um I believe the hotel maybe called the called excise at that time.

Uh let's look.

The the first violation Well, that was before that was the one.

I know, just hang on a second.

So there were two violations since since they've been before us.

The first one was for uh display a permit and employee without a permit.

That happened August 27th of 2023, and this was during what's known as assent detail where the inspection is conducted with multiple agencies, yeah.

Um, where the uh excise IMPD, the health department, and IFD all come in.

Right, right.

And excise found missing employee permits that evening.

How do you keep track of your employee permits?

Uh normally have a binder with me uh in my backpack.

Uh I think the time they did go there.

Uh the binder was at my house.

I was in India at the time that they went over that one to go get married in February.

But I do have like a binder full off all the records, you know, with all the employees, like that's on payable post one and everything, and all the well, the when you were in India to get married, that was for the second violence.

That was during the second violation, not the first one.

My my question to you now is how do you keep track?

How many servers do you have?

Uh right now we have about 15.

15.

How do you keep track of their employee permits to make sure they're current?

You keep a binder.

Yeah, I have a binder, and I also have a lark on my phone when the their permit's about to expire.

So I don't want to give them a large, so I'll ask him how you got the new permit in, so I'll keep up video like that.

Is the binder, so part of the problem was the binder wasn't at the location, and now it is.

Yes.

So it's accessible whether you're there or not.

Yes.

And all of your employees are current.

Yes.

Okay.

And you keep track of that because you've got between the bind you check the binder, are you there every day?

Yes.

You're there daily.

So you're managing the location yourself.

Yes, I do have a manager now on uh a manager.

Um before, like I didn't have a manager, I was managing everything by myself, so now like I do have a manager helping me as well, you know.

Okay.

So that was the first violation.

The second violation happened April 12th of 2025.

And the result of that one was a uh notice of violation for a public nuisance charge.

Um not having all your training certificates, smoking, and employer permits again, and a manager's questionnaire, right?

Yes.

And there were other issues, but there were other things that were the officer wrote you for, but those are what was settled with the commission, correct?

Right.

Yeah, so there were there were some other aspects to that incident report that did that, you know, we cleared up with the prosecutor Wignal.

Um when we and and and the result is that tab A.

Um, yeah, so some of the you know the server training on file and the employee permits, you know, the binder wasn't at the premises at the time.

Now it is.

Um, we we got cited for um there was some confusion about that whether this one bartender she may have held herself out as a manager, but she's she's not TJ does not consider a manager.

We have a we have you know cleared that up and and have added Tasha on file as a manager now, um, who she also works at another restaurant in town, and then you know, is the manager at uh during night time.

Um they didn't have milk, so that that the food requirement they just did not have the milk at the time.

Um and you know, we now you know we TJ understands he needs to have that at all times that when he's open.

Um and then you know, this the smoking, so um, he now has someone actually watching the second floor at all times um to make sure that there's no smoking, and we actually and this this kind of speaks to the public nuisance as well.

Um so the public nuisance was um when Xi searched, they found a roach under one of the couches.

Um so to abate that um to make sure that there's no drug use.

We actually confiscate any smoking device, any vaping device that are not you know that the people are instructed they have to take them to their car or they're gonna be tossed into a bucket at the door.

So there's we do not, you know, even you know, like if someone has rolling papers, um those would not be allowed in.

So we do not allow any smoking um at the business.

And I just want to do uh tab C is is you know, it's about is the laws of public nuisance, and I just would um respectfully request that uh it is in the law that that you um the board should take into account uh the abatement of the nuisance in determining whether to renew the permit.

So you know we we have the smoking under control, people are watching for it, it's not allowed in.

Um so we we feel that we have addressed that.

Excise was in there twice and found evidence of marijuana smoking both times.

Correct?

Yeah, so I think uh they never actually came in when the happened.

Yeah, so I think um they never actually came in when the happen I think they were when they came to me with me I think when they were just looking at I think that's when they found the roads and the second time I think they were looking at a video they saw somebody in the video I believe that was the second time on the saw somebody rolling what appeared to be uh blind on video.

There's also I think in this report a scale that was found um cigarilla wrappers so there's like multiple pieces of evidence that points to smoking happening in the in the facility and a grain leafy substance that was then tested and found to be positive for marijuana.

And again we I mean we are taking as many steps as possible to ensure that green leave you know marijuana is not brought into the premises so it doesn't even have a chance to be in you know smoked.

I just find I I know we have a lot to talk about but I just found that concerning that there is a scale on the premises.

Yeah.

I'm not sure it might fell out of somebody's pocket but the happening a scale?

Yeah I'm not sure you know like literally that something that might have fell out somebody's pocket or literally the guy that claims like he didn't find it I mean they look for him and they found it over there but from now on like literally we're searching them too literally they can't even take a lighter in there or nothing like they can't even take like a peck of cigarette inside or anything you know that led to smoking.

That happened before but now like literally we feel they paid uh close attention to it when the experts pointed out this is what's happening you know so since then we've been confiscating like whatever we can do to like smoking anything that leads to the even if somebody tries in there we don't give them warning we actually kick them out right away like they're not allowed back in at all.

Because according to the officers report on the video they observed a patron rolling what appeared to be a marijuana cigarette or a blind upstairs which tells you it tells us that they weren't trying to just sneak a smoke really quick like they were comfortable with smoking marijuana in your location.

Right.

Yes I mean actually that there was a section in the back that I think that did uh show it to you uh when you were there with a meeting with us uh so that's actually I mean this place used to be a cigar lunch before so like literally I have a section in the back where it was hidden so the security can't really see that section so what we ended up doing is we've kind of closed that off so nobody can even a reserve or go back over there.

Yeah we block it so no one can get back there.

It's sort of like an El COVID area and I think that's where that took place.

It's it's not being used at all.

It's not used area at all.

No that's not a person actually that's watching everything upstairs is literally uh he's uh one of our family members and we he comes from Kentucky uh Louisville every weekend um he actually literally goes every single table like he stays up there he doesn't leave the whole upstairs so if anybody even tries or something he'll call for backup we'll kick them out right away but we haven't had that uh incident like we haven't had any smoking issues since then you know can I get just some context uh what's the capacity I've never been in your place uh that's 240 240 people two floors two floors yes yeah there's like there's like a half balcony yeah yeah so before all this 240 people did you have security do I mean how you're mentioning a a relative but yeah yeah we have uh other security teams before like we started out with the A securities and it has a business group I mean we have right now we are currently a 14 security guards right now you know 14 security guards miss.

Sometimes there's some people that you hire like later you go through a company and you hire them and literally they're always on their phone they're not watching you so literally when I examine that you know literally I fired this company I heard a new one so now at the point I have a family member that I can trust that's not gonna be you know on phone or anything.

So I I'd like to you know fix stuff like look literally I don't like taking shortcuts or anything I want to you know fix stuff the long way you know like literally where I can trust this person from uh not having the same mistake again you know it's your business for a second the schaffer has to leave very quickly and I don't know if we can go out of order and have her testify so you should leave for another to have an objection to her testifying coming back to you.

That's fine.

Okay.

Thank you I'm so sorry I came for last month's meeting as well my name's Taylor Shaffer I'm here with downtown Indy Alliance and as you all know we don't come here before you all very often but we work very closely with IMPD to try to understand what's going on on a day-to-day basis where we see uh where we consistently see issues where we consistently see things that just aren't working within the ecosystem and fabric of downtown we want to support businesses we want to support local businesses that want to be part of want to be part of the downtown community but our priority with that is always that they are working in conjunction with their neighbors that they are prioritizing the safety of ex and experience of everyone in that area and ensuring that the um impacts of what's happening within their business aren't spilling out in ways that are detrimental to the rest of the neighborhood.

Um Market East is unique in the sense that it has so many of the traditional office towers and businesses, but it also has residents and uh small business owners that aren't in the big old towers that are um impacted by the ripple effects of um uh what I think can at times be just irresponsible decisions.

So uh that's why we're here today.

Um appreciate your consideration in this matter, and um just want to ensure that we are prioritizing uh the safety of everyone downtown.

Thank you.

Ms.

Schaefer, who brought this to your attention?

IMPD.

So previous to that though, wasn't on your radar?

I mean, uh, what I would say to you is it's been on my radar because of IMPD for a long time.

This isn't this isn't necessarily a uh last six months kind of thing, and understanding that ownership transitioned about two years ago, and candidly when those inflection points happen, we're always optimistic that you're gonna have leadership that is really going to embrace those partnerships.

Um we heard early on from the hotel some of the concerns that were happening um at times feeling like there was really great uh conversation, and then having what seemed like punitive uh uh retaliation in the meantime, valet valet uh signage being moved over, then having the line go across there so that the the valet couldn't get through and do their parking goofy things like that that early on in the process, which sort of raised a red flag for us.

I think then throughout this period of time, it has sort of felt like one step forward, two steps back, where it has felt like the ownership has um communicated or been thoughtful about individual instances while overarchingly the the temperature not really lowering in terms of that impact to the market ease corridor, and I think that's our concern.

Thank you.

Okay, sorry.

We'd like to stay in process.

So Clark, we'll go back to you.

Um anything else with the violations that you want to address.

Well, I get what I would um like to run through is just you know, since that interaction with Excise in March of this year, um, you know, we we have made a number of changes, and some of it's already been covered, but I want to make sure that we tick through them one by one.

So excise reaches out to you and says we want to come in and have a meeting.

Well, no, no, I'm talking about you know the incident report for the 2020 March 2025 violation that led to the settlement in TAP A.

Got it.

So since you know that happened, um, like TJ did allude to he fired his the his former private security and hired new security um and you know retrained all of them for for surf safe.

Um he's specifically instructed the new security to you know watch for signs of intoxication, remove anyone um with signs of intoxication.

I did pass out those um those cards so that that's you know, like a way to in a non-confrontational way, cut people off and ask them to leave, and that that's something that he's implemented at the bar.

Um we've increased our security to 14, and it wasn't at 14 prior to, so when we're talking March, um people you know at the door are wanded and searched and their IDs are scanned at the door, you know, we've got a band list.

Um like I mentioned, patrons are not allowed to bring in anything that could, you know, be you know, any smoking or vaping device.

Um we have pick you know, we have buckets of of devices that have been uh confiscated.

Um the cameras during business hours are actively monitored from time to time to watch for problem activities, so it's not just the recording.

I mean, we will actually actively monitor.

Um, and then like we alluded to the the family member on the second floor to specifically watch for smoking.

Um then that the area that's no longer accessible, like we talked about, and we also actually changed our cocktail pour size from had been one and a half ounces for a drink that's been um knocked down to one ounce.

Um I would also note that you know XIS has been in since March.

Um there, you know, in July they they came through.

Uh we you know did not receive any violation for you know you know that that came out of any of those interactions with XIS.

So we have you know been monitored by XIS and has not led to any further incident reports.

Um so then you know, coming up to August here when we were up for our renewal and IMPD did enter the remonstrance.

I'm not gonna go into um what they have prepared, but you know that did catch us by surprise and we reached out to IMPD straight away to you know better understand their concerns.

Um we had a meeting on on August 15th with Captain Carter with Commander Hassang among others, Sergeant Corps.

Um and we you know we we we've uh sent a an a follow-up message directly after that meeting which is in tab D.

Um first of all, you know, we shared TJ's personal cell phone number as well as Tasha's cell phone number in that email so IMPD can reach out at any time making sure that the commander has has that handy um and then we also we also did took these additional actions following that meeting um we changed the hours of the bar so no one's allowed entry after 2 a.m.

now uh last calls at 2 15 and the bars closed at 2 30 um we no longer allow any re-entry you know so there's no there's there's no in and out um and then there was an issue with the um the vid the cameras because so the there was a the the um modem for the device for the camera device is kind of in a place it's it's next to the bar and and officer soonye saw this when we uh had her when we invited her uh into the bar but there's like a power strip and but patrons can kind of get up there and so the camera got got uh disconnected you know so someone could plug in a cell phone and so we have rerun the power for the cameras to so that so the uh people cannot unplug the camera device it also unplugged the POS system so like if you want to go into that I guess uh so what was happening is we have this uh big extension over there that everything plugs in and we have some people charging phone all the time so what they actually did was uh they moved uh one of the cable that has the modem on there so all our cameras run off the internet modem so it went offline you know that day that's why I was figuring out what was going on with the camera and then uh later I noticed of the red light on the modem which was not working so the issue was that somebody sometimes people have access to the bar right there not inside the bar like side of the bar that's where they'll always go plug in their phone try to charge it but now like we re rent the wire to the point like nobody can really reach over there nobody can touch it nobody can take it off even when the uh the the internet was not working or payment was going offline too that's why it was bothering us you know like if cameras aren't working I mean the registers are not working either you know that's why it was all the payments were going offline literally later I have to go and resubmit everything on those um all of so any event that takes place at the moon bar um is organized by in-house paid staff so not you know we TJ has used some promoters in the past for some events he's not he's never turned over the like actually you know the entry like turned over the bar um to you know to have the promoter run is just more of like a um for for some events um so we but I I've told them that's just not a good policy so let's let's stop using promoters um and then also just um strict enforcement of their existing dress code um just to kind of deal with some you know the maintaining a safe clientele um also following that meeting um you know he had he I I passed out um interactions with TJ IMPD to uh try and get officer ODEs the off-duty employment um he's submitted um in the past multiple times we've had he's had constables there but following that meeting on August the 15th uh commander Hassan uh was able to um uh push that out push out a new request and we now have IMPD ODEs at the moon bar so that's you know it's it's as of um late August so you know we're we we haven't you know we haven't had them there long but that was a good positive development to come out of that meeting with IMPD um so prior to IMPD OD you had constables correct when did you start when did they start when did you begin using uh and when we open a little I mean as you can see I've been trying my best uh to get the IMPD I wasn't able to uh find any success uh because a lot of them were telling me this address on the black list or something they want they didn't want to work there or something I don't know what's what's uh the path from this place you know I came in as a new owner you know like new opportunities and they don't want to work with me and literally my my question is when did you begin speaking the cost uh starting uh August I think August uh 18th uh 20 uh 23 I believe okay that the constable is that it seems to it seems to stick out I mean in the violation it's it's acknowledgably it cost is that means something to you

And they don't want to work with me.

Um literally my my question is when did you begin to do it?

The cost uh starting uh August?

I think August uh 18th of uh 20 uh 23, I believe.

Okay.

That the constable is that it seems to it seems to stick out.

I mean, in the violations it's acknowledgably it costs is that means something to you.

I'm just curious as to what security they were using.

I mean anyway.

They have private security and the constables, right?

The constables are just at the door.

They weren't inside.

Um so you're using a private security company as well?

Yeah, the constable used to stay outside, and uh they were using monitoring, you know, at the door and transfer like they will not go in, you know.

They were they're in addition to your private security.

Yes, correct.

Okay, how much security did you have inside?

In that time, like uh on Fridays we have eight on Saturday, we have like ten.

Yeah, ten inside that location.

Yeah.

Uh just floating, just walking through what's the risk.

It's like literally there's always one person checking IDs, and there's a female always checking females, and then they're the male checking the males.

Then you have a security like uh we have one studio search, and like they have areas signed, like one by the back room, and the one by the you know the front bar.

So they're signed to different areas, you know, both problem.

And when did you begin using that private security?

Oh, we got it from uh actually the day one of the private security moving up, yeah.

But we changed security following the March 2025 incident and up to security.

Okay.

And the const was the constable employed in the March.

Okay.

All right.

And uh yeah, it's I'm not a hundred percent, but it uh this place had been you know, icon lounge, and um I believe that the address was yeah on the black list at IMPD because of that ownership and that that operation, and it just never got updated.

So, you know, coming out of the meeting that we had in August, we were able to, you know, clear that up, and now we have IMPD ODEs.

And how often are they there?

What is it?

How often is IMPD working off duty there?

Uh they're there uh every Friday, every Saturday.

We have one officer on Friday, and we have two officers on Saturdays.

Okay, and they began one when did when did they begin?

In August?

They begin in August after the meeting and we finally got a timeline.

Sure, okay.

Um I mean that that's all I really have at this point, unless you guys have questions for us.

But the constable is full legal power, like I I think this might be something they're gonna touch on.

I don't I just don't know what constables' limitations are.

Anybody it's unclear to me whether they're s considered sworn law enforcement or not.

I have um I've heard different opinions.

Uh do you mind?

Sure.

Okay, so the con the constables for each township's an elected official, and then they hire other officers under them, but they would have uh powers to make arrests.

So they can't arrest somebody, they can they pull somebody over?

Well, it depends on the ask them that's massive military.

But they don't have the same training a lot of times.

No, they they're not tier one.

I they're not tier one, so tier one's like law enforcement academy.

We IMP does not train them, so I'm not sure what training they have.

They can yeah, they'll go through the probably the pre-basics and things like that, but I I can't honestly tell you.

I mean, I've heard the term over the years, I just never knew what the differences were.

Okay.

Well, none of us did.

Ready for the remonstrance?

Yeah, let's hear from the remonstrators.

Who would like to start?

We should start.

Ma'am, it's your little green light on the bottom corner.

It is.

So I am Crystal Stone.

I'm here representing Christ Church Cathedral on the Monument Circle.

And you may have a letter from our dean and rector.

I know that he included one, but I'm just gonna our prepared statement.

Um both the safety and flourishing of downtown Indianapolis.

We believe that every business operating here has a responsibility to contribute positively to the well-being of our neighbors.

Uh unfortunately, Moon Bar has been consistently linked with criminal activity, violence, and disturbances that place patrons, nearby residents in the broader community at risk.

Incidents connected to this establishment have involved firearms, assaults causing serious injury, thefts, and large-scale fights, all of which undermine the hard work that law enforcement and downtown Indy and many others have invested in creating a safer, more welcoming city center.

From both a pastoral and a civic standpoint, renewing the liquor license would be detrimental.

As a faith community, we are called to advocate for peace and justice.

As neighbors, we are committed to ensuring that downtown remains a place where people can gather safely without fear of harm.

Allowing Moon Bar to continue operating under these conditions would contradict both the spirit and the letter of responsible service alcohol service in Indiana.

Thank you.

Is there is there a copy of that letter?

Yes, ma'am.

I'm the very back.

And it was submitted by uh Dean Gray Lisain.

So is there anything else you'd like to it you it's just from you know listening and having um you know talked with IMPD and from the actions that you know have been taken it still doesn't solve the underlying problem of the pervasive acceptance of violence in the location, and so there is a fear of safety around and expand on that for me.

The fear of violence.

Some of the incidents that have occurred in include, so they may have, for example, one of the things that they've stated is that they now won all of the patrons as they come in.

Some of the issues that um IMPD has brought up is that weapons are being stolen from vehicles, and that I think 14 times that they know of, and it's their patrons that this is occurring with.

So now in this state, we kind of said everybody, four or five.

That's true.

You can carry them anywhere you want.

Well, um, and I you know, but um the state policing said that's a bad idea.

So it's just um it's a continuing and recurring problem, and especially in our downtown area, as having moved to Indianapolis from out of state, Indian Indianapolis does an absolutely amazing job at bringing people in events and um conferences and sporting events, and it would issues like this in our downtown area and in the Miles Square shine a negative light on the work that downtown Indy, Indiana Sports Corp and so on do.

And that's why, you know, I personally also believe that it's sorry, that the liquor license should not be renewed.

One thing Detective Tiffany Maston with IMPD's News and Subatement Unit and a member of the Indiana Alcohol or the Indianapolis Alcohol Task Force.

Um there is um the business details from the state of Indiana as well as the license information and a map showing the location and its proximity to the circle.

Um the excise reports that everybody has already gone over are also listed.

Um are the reports that involve um violent or criminal behavior, specifically fighting in and on the premises.

Um this says including a parking lot.

It should be noted that Moon Um lounge, which is located at 148 East Market Street, doesn't have a parking lot assigned to the location specifically.

There is a parking lot across the street.

So in reference to a parking lot, it's referring to the parking lot directly across the street.

Um June 1st, 2025.

There's a 25-year-old man assaulted, and his wallet was stolen.

This is 3A.

I'm sorry, we're starting with 3A.

Got it.

Um this was a delayed report.

Um this individual made a report that approximately six males assaulted him on the sidewalk outside of Moon Bar.

Um he went to the hospital, and um that's where this report was.

Um it's where this report was made.

Um St.

Vincent Hospital.

Did they come out of Moon Bar and then get in a fight?

Do we know that?

Umed by the six suspects as they were outside of Moon.

He stated that he was struck by fists.

That's may not know.

This report was at 3 o'clock in the morning.

No, it said it occurred at 3 o'clock in the morning.

The report was made at 4 44 the next day.

From the hospital.

On May 11th of 2025, a 24 and 32-year-old female were assaulted.

Victim 2 and suspect 2 were both belligerent and consistently yelling despite officers trying to calm them down so that they could figure out what was going on.

Insisted they did not have the property.

The driver of the vehicle gave officers permission to search the vehicle for the victim's property.

Officer located the property.

And the keys were later located underneath the vehicle.

Two of them were inside the establishment.

So there's some confusion on that.

So they were is the theft as a result of a fight or a fight as a result of a theft.

On March 9th of 2025, a 22 22-year-old female assaulted and her purse was stolen.

This was also dispatched to the hospital.

Two females being jumped and have their purse taken.

They were at Moon Lounge.

Her and victim two were dancing.

Several males jumped them by kicking and punching them, took their purse.

Security arrived a short time later to break up the fight and pepper sprayed them.

She had a complaint of pain to her neck and her back.

This was at Moon Bar at approximately 3 a.m.

A large fight broke out.

She found herself in the middle of it.

Victim 2, which was the 20-year-old, arrived on scene to give victim one a ride home when she saw the fight occurring and intervened.

During the course of the altercation, both females dropped their purses and an unknown female picked it up.

The officer spoke to the suspect on the phone in an attempt to get the victim's property returned.

The suspect was uncooperative, confirmed that she did have possession of the items but was unwilling to return them.

December 8th of 2024.

Wouldn't that be stolen property?

Yes, sir.

Can we we can't make her turn it back in?

Charge her?

I she wasn't at the scene.

Oh okay.

But yeah, so that's what the report is for.

And she's listed as the suspect in the report.

Um December 8th of 2024, a 38-year-old male was arrested.

Um icon lounge.

Um this is an officer who says based on her years of experience in working at the location.

Um there was a male standing in the street refusing to comply with commands.

Um sorry, this is um he was uh they deployed a pepper ball um and um were finally able to secure him in handcuffs, and he was this he had parked his vehicle in the middle of the street um and was refusing commands.

He was screaming, they ended up finding a large machete in the front seat of his vehicle.

Was this still the icon when I was back then?

It was not, and I meant to mention that.

So the the reports are going to reference both businesses, and I think it is just a matter of officers get in a habit and they're so used to it being icon that they reference it icon up to today.

Um they were they were there for another disturbance?

Correct.

Were they were they called to the bar for the disturbance?

Or was the disturbance outside or do we know?

Is it the bar security that were involved?

Right.

So they were called to de-escalate the disturbance by asking the individuals involved in the disturbances to leave.

Okay.

So that's how they got to the location to begin with.

Okay.

I apologize.

Um of 2024.

And this is 3F.

26-year-old female was assaulted.

Um they were punching each other with closed fists.

She was hit in the forehead with an unknown object.

She sustained a minor la major laceration on her forehead.

Security then broke up the fight, told everyone to leave, or they gonna they were gonna be sprayed by pepper spray.

The victim stated everyone then dispersed, did not seek police at the time.

She went to the emergency room at community hospital south and received stitches for the laceration on her forehead.

She has pictures of her injuries from the fight on her phone.

Um at the top it says that uh occurred at Icon Icon Lounge located at 148 East Market Street.

Um 1019 2024.

There was a 29-year-old female assaulted.

Um this is the other half of that same incident.

She reported from a different location as well.

Um leaving the club, victim grabbed her by her hair in a rude rude and angry manner.

Stated the two of them began fighting.

Victim stated during the course of the incident she fell to the ground and was kicked in the head multiple times by suspect too, along with other miscellaneous suspects who jumped her.

Stated she doesn't remember much details about the incident because she blacked out.

Um 2024, a 22-year-old female was assaulted.

She said uh two females then attacked and jumped her.

Um the officer observed her right eye was swollen and bruised, her upper lip was swollen and bruised in the left corner.

Um she had braces, which were broken in result of the incident, and she had a chipped tooth.

Uh March 19th of 2024, there was a 24-year-old female assaulted.

She explained that she was at a bar downtown, 148 East Market Street.

She was leaving the bar with victim number two.

Uh her ex and her girlfriend approached them wanting to fight.

Um attempted to leave the area in her vehicle when suspect one dragged her out of her car by her legs.

Um, and the other suspect hit her on the side of her head.

Um her friends came around, suspect uh separated the two parties, and she left the scene.

December 29th of 2023, a 21 and 29-year-old male were assaulted.

Um this was also reported at the hospital, Eskenazi.

Stated that they had left uh went to the establishment at 148 is Market Street.

This was also described as icon.

Um they showed signs of injury.

Um this one was described um as potentially they were potentially attacked because they were two gay males.

Um 1014 of 2023, a 19-year-old male was arrested.

Um they observed the laptop.

Nope, 2023.

1014.

You said his age was 19.

I just wanted to know.

Was there a 19-year-old in the bar?

Um exited his vehicle and observed security attempting to escort an individual later identified as yep from the property.

So, yes, sir.

Thank you.

Yep.

They were arguing inside the bar trying to remove him from the pharmaces, however, you're screaming and yelling and belligerent.

So he was arrested for battery on an officer resisting law enforcement, public intoxication, and disorderly conduct.

We are moving into possession use display or discharge of firearms or other deadly weapons on the premises.

This is a shots fired report.

Shots fired.

Multiple bullet casings were located outside of the location on the sidewalk.

Officers recovered 13 bullet casings.

This is related to this was on September 22nd and is related to the next case report on the 22nd of 2024.

Sorry, September 22nd of 2024.

Officers then located a vehicle.

Nearby stopped a vehicle nearby, immediately observed multiple firearms within arm's reach of the suspect.

Firearms were located inside the vehicle that matched the caliber of the casings that were located outside of the bar.

Ceased from the vehicle was a um Glock 22 with a switch, a Glock 17, an AR-15 style pistol, another AR-style pistol.

It looks like three AR-style pistols and two handguns.

And then on August 19th of 2023, there was a fight.

Officer were dispatched to a fight near the intersection of East Market Pennsylvania Street involving about 30 people.

A shot had reportedly been fired.

One of the individuals was found to have a 10 million 10 millimeter Glock handgun.

Officers identified several anonymous passerbys as being one of the males.

It is believed the large fight originated between several patrons of the moon bar located at 148 East Market Street.

On August 29th of 2023, this said bribery report.

A known business owner identified as suspect bribed a deputy fire marshal with 200 after a failed fire alarm inspection.

Victim told Norris that as a persuasion effort, the suspect left the bride money inside his self-sealed white business style envelope on the front windshield of his city marked IFD vehicle.

Who did that?

After a scent detail, which is a code enforcement night team detail, which was conducted at 148 East Market Street.

Shoot.

Is from September 20th of 2025.

This is a report of an OVWI traffic fatality.

This happened at East and Ohio Street.

Officer Scott watched the driver get out of the vehicle and walk away.

Section 4.

Repeat violations of the same category, a history of repeat violations of the same or similar nature during a renewal period.

All of these violations are a result of individuals parking their vehicle, visiting the moon lounge, and coming back to find that their firearms were stolen.

Report 4J is just gonna highlight that one.

An individual parked their vehicle, went to the moon lounge, came back to find that his window was shattered, and a rifle was stolen from his vehicle.

So this isn't just handguns.

So I just want to highlight that one.

Section five is health department reports, and there are several.

Every time that the health department revisits the critical violations tend to be repetitive.

There's a couple of pictures of violations in there if that interests you.

Nope, you let me know when you're ready.

I don't want to rush you.

Just so I'm clear.

A leak, if he doesn't own the building, the leak, if there's a leak in the basement, that'd be the owner of the building.

Is that fair?

It's a responsibility.

Sure.

And again, there's a lot of you, I guess.

That's why I just provide you with the report.

Sure.

It's not something we enforce.

Yep.

All right.

Board ready to move forward.

We're into exhibit seven now.

Yes.

So we talked briefly.

Um Sir Kirkman talked briefly about promotions.

Um Chicken P was a performer that was promoted at the establishment.

He has been convicted of cocaine distribution and firearms possession.

Um just information.

Bow Ow also was hosted at the establishment.

And the issue with these are they not supposed to promote on social media or what is the not an issue, just um information as far as promotions are concerned.

Um there was a video with this, it's um time consuming, and um it's not easy to provide that information during a board hearing.

Um but the um I think the negative color.

The nature of the promotion sometimes is what we're more concerned about than the fact that they're promoting it.

I've probably driven that train pretty heavily.

I mean, we've we've had you know, I don't shouldn't paint them all as bad.

It has to be good operator uh promoters, but I think that's where this is coming from.

I've just had a real bad experience with them over and over again, and they seem to get people in trouble.

So I've code driven that narrative, but I no, it's helpful to have that context.

I just understand the angel reese party um was the event where um officers were actually already out and working, noticed a significant line wrapping around the building, went inside the establishment, and that's where they learned that the cameras had actually been disconnected during that event.

Lastly, in exhibit eight, you will find the supporting documentation for a remonstration from the um not gonna bore you by reading all of these.

Um the Cole Noble Neighborhood Association wrote a letter from President Joe White.

The Lockerby Square Historic Neighborhood Association wrote a letter uh signed by uh Martinez Mier president.

Um St.

John, the evangelist Catholic Church submitted a letter from Father Father Tim.

Uh Christ Church Christ Church Cathedral wrote a letter, which was already read aloud.

Thank you for that.

India's downtown neighborhood alliance submitted a letter.

From their president.

Submitted a letter signed by President Bob Opson.

Okay.

And I will close by saying I appreciate any steps for abatement and any steps that a business is willing to do moving forward to change business operation.

Their only concern when we start to see letters of promise are the only individual that can enforce these new procedures is the business itself.

These can't be enforced by anybody else.

They can't be enforced by excise and they can't be enforced by IMPD.

So when you look at this list of all of these things that the bar promises to do moving forward, they're the ones that have to uphold these promises.

Anything more from the demonstrators?

That was mailed to me.

This is the owner of the parking lot directly across the street from the bar and grill at 145 East Wabash Street.

It says attention state excise police.

My name is Evans McWigger Rust, and I own the parking lot at 145 East Wabash Street, which abuts the moon bar and grill at 148 East Market Street.

I am vehemently opposed to the Moon Bar Alcohol permit being renewed.

There's the hours of operation are from 10 p.m.

to 3 a.m.

which contributes to the high crime occurrence in the area.

Thank you, Evans McGurto Rust.

We'll add that one.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

So no more remonstrator.

Okay.

Then Clark, we'll go back to Curios.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So I guess I just like to begin by noting that the hotel next door is not here today.

And the work that they've done to smooth over any previous issues.

This is not to be a referendum on every aspect of the business.

We like to keep this to within the space within the board's expertise.

So with tab one, the you know, amusement and entertainment permit, you know, that's an issue for business and neighborhood services.

The health department.

Um I mean the uh a lot of this, you know, actually is right when he was opening, so it was health inspections to get going.

Um but you know, the the health department has the ability to uh suspend the business operations.

That's their purview, that's their uh discretion, and I'm not sure that it needs to be litigated before this board today about their ability to sell alcohol.

And I would actually note that I'm looking at tabs A and B of my new materials.

It used to be that you know the um compliance with health rules was in the administrative code, and that was repealed in in 2002.

Um I have the old the TAP these the old um subject of the state board of health.

So the you know the ATC repealed that those sanitation requirements 20 years ago.

Um which I think would speak to you know there's what the board has expertise in and what it doesn't.

Same thing with the fire marshal.

Um they have the ability to uh disallow a um you know a business from operating if they think that it's uh not safe.

Um that's the fire marshal's business.

So that's tab six.

Um regarding you know the incident reports, we've kind of uh talked about those before.

Um, but like Officer Sunier mentioned that that initial one was a scent detail.

So and and you know, the pop the protocol for the excise police and and the other agencies is to cite everything to get compliance, and you know, the only um issue that they found was was employee permits at that.

It was settled for 250 dollars.

Turning to tab four, which are the the car thefts, the well the not the car thefts, the the break-in car break-ins.

Like it like has been touched on TJ does not have a parking lot, these are public lots that people pay $10 to park at in downtown Indianapolis.

And if you look at um my materials tab A, oh sorry, tab it's 2A through D.

I've got some pictures of the of the lots.

So tab A is the lot across the street.

Um so this is across the street from the moon bar, and then I've got a zoom in on, you know, you either have a parking pass or you're paying through park mobile.

And this would be the one at 145, right?

Uh I believe this is this is the Market Street lot, and then there's a Wabash Street lot, which is behind the bar.

And then uh tab C is you know, a picture of Market Street showing, I mean, there's a wide, busy street.

You've got the moon bar and the hotel on one side, you've got the parking lot on the other side.

And then the 145 Eastwabash, this is the lot, the other lot that's you know, behind.

And you know, I took these pictures at noon on a you know, day of the week, and you know, back here, I mean there were there were a number of people just loitering.

Um, you know, it's it's downtown Indianapolis.

Um you know, I would I would suggest if security is an issue at these lots, I think that falls on the lot owner.

I mean, he he would be trespassing to actually like provide security at these lots.

Uh they're they're not part of his lease, they're public lots.

Um, I also have so tab three, there was actually three juveniles arrested um in connection with hundreds of car break-ins in Indianapolis and Fisher's just recently, just in September.

You know, so car break-ins, I mean, this is something that happens.

Hope maybe maybe you know, a lot of the issues were were these individuals who were just you know making a business of breaking into cars.

I don't really see the nexus between the alcoholic beverage license and guns being stored in a glove box of of vehicles in these public lots.

Um, you know, none of these reports, and none of these reports does it show, does it tie like any of the people breaking to these cars to have visited the moon bar, not a single one.

So these are you know, these are cars.

Even if even if we completely like move that off and weren't even you know dealing with that information about the car thefts or the things going on with the health department, if we deal with the things as far as all the violence and things that were happening inside this business.

Um we didn't even talk about the uh I mean we talked about the the smoking um evidence of drugs being found on the premises.

Um we didn't even talk about the employees walking around in in dongs, like we didn't even get to that.

Even if we just dealt with that stuff and left the health department and a deafs out of it, we're still in we're still dealing with some pretty egregious issues as far as this business is concerned.

So we'll get to all that certainly.

Um I mean the so if you do regarding the the employees, if you note the the settlement that was entered into the that the the XI's originally cited them for public nuisance for nudity, and we walked through uh with prosecutor wignal what was actually occurring, and he he pulled that off of and off of the settlement, and we you know we um I mean they they actually had like a hose, so they it was not actually bare.

Um and they and they're not thongs, it was like some something that was high cut, and then like it there was some.

I mean, I don't have pictures of it, but the documentation is say that they had their bear buttocks out for the the public to see.

So well, I call it a wardrobe malfunction.

He pulled that off of and off of the settlement and we know we um ba I mean they they actually had like a hose so they it it was not actually bare um and they and they're not thongs it was like some something that was high cut and then like it there was some I mean I don't have pictures of it but the documentation said that they had their bare buttocks out for the the public to see so well I call it wardrobe malfunction okay well if you just want to continue on with whatever it is and we've also we have actually changed the dress as well just going forward just so that doesn't happen again but we did it was not found to be nudity um so again not you know these car break ins in no instance was was someone at the police report showed that someone was at the moon bar and then broke into a car just that just didn't have them um there's also no allegation that any of these guns were illegally owned um you know these are guns that people have in their cars like like we touched on I mean it in the state of Indiana there's no handgun there's no handgun license you you're allowed to own a firearm I think the job of my client is to make sure that the guns are not getting into his business which there's never been any incident of a gun being in the moon bar or a gun going off in the moon moon bar so you know if no just right outside of it sure well and we'll get to that um so you know I mean these are I mean I I would obviously if the guns were illegally owned I I'm guessing people wouldn't have called the police to report report and that's not that's not even part of what we're discussing today is whether or not well no the the break-ins are a big part of the breaking is but whether or not the guns are illegally owned I think is irrelevant so sure um I mean I'm just saying there the these are I mean these are lawfully I mean the people had their property violated but there's no nexus to the moon bar there's no like there's there's no nothing to tie the moon bar and its o business operation to these break ins just not they just happen to be there um and then you know I mean if if you actually run through the break ins 4A on 720 uh guy said the owner said didn't know if he locked the car for B the car was actually parked on a side street it wasn't actually in one of the lots just the person happened to be at the moon bar and then called the cops that's how that got in here for CO it was just that that was just one parked in one of the lots um 4D this person was actually parked on Delaware Street north of Market Street.

So there's a car break in guy was at the moon bar his car was broken into on Delaware Street and we're asked to answer for that at this hearing today.

The 4E says you know again it was the parked near the bar um got uh 4F said it was parked in a parking lot left the car unlocked uh 4G you know the 4G actually doesn't the person was at the moon bar the person who called the cops and said hey my car's on broken anything but that police report doesn't even mention where is cars parked I mean it's downtown Indianapolis so could have been parked anywhere um 4H same thing no mention where the car was parked for I on seven on uh 79 of 2024 it says it was parked on 248 Market Street which is out front of the city county building so that ends up in this binder a car break in on you know two blocks away um so the you know 4J which was um you know referenced um which was you know made mention of um there was no indication that the person was at the bar this is the 4th of July so this car was parked there but there's no nexus at all that this person had the person had been in the bar or it just happened to be you know in that general vicinity 4K the car was parked near the bail bonds place in an alleyway so not even in one of these lots.

Clark Rook on that though um I think you've made your point there and I've uh I get it I get exactly what you're saying these cars are parked in different spots and they're being broken.

I too bad a laptop stolen out of my car because I'm an idiot and I left it visible.

At a friend to state fairgrounds lose a handgun broken took it he's an idiot um so if it's a continuation of just saying because I I'm not just yeah I mean I I'm almost I mean I'm almost done with all of them but I'm point I'm just making the point that you know some break ins were in these lots a lot of them were not they're just people that had been at the moon bar they had their car broken in two it gets you know so it gets into the this binder as you know some something having to do with this business.

Right.

I think I think that point is well taken, but to the point that I made earlier, even if that those things were not in this binder, even if the health department issues were not in this binder, we would still have a lot to go over as far as the moon bar, not to you know, even go over all of the letters that have been submitted by other businesses and organizations in this area that are asking us to deal seriously with the moon bar.

Absolutely.

And I mean, uh getting to the you know these incidents.

Um I'll move on.

Um so I will say that you know, and at the beginning in the table of contents, it says that you know, not it says that uh these incidents are like these are examples not limited to I did receive you know a response on public records request.

I didn't really see anything, a substance that's not in the binder.

So I would suggest that you know what's in this binder is you know what the the universe of information and um you know as far as shots fired incidents, there's there's basically there's two um and um you know one was like right after the business opened, and there was you know one shot fired, and the other one the suspect was in a car, and the I mean it was you know it was it was in downtown Indianapolis, the sub suspect was shooting from his car.

Um there's actually not anything in the report indicating that the person had been at the moon bar trying to gain entry to the moon bar.

Um that's is that 3P?

Is that the one you're talking about?

I'm talking about 3M.

So, you know, it says the a vehicle was hit by a suspected gunfire, multiple shot, multiple shell casings.

Officer Barron noticed a dark colored Dodge dart nearby running and observed the mail inside the vehicle.

Um asked the person to get out of the vehicle and just play some handcuffs.

Um I mean he was parked in the middle of Market Street.

And it says, you know, in front of 136.

It was actually parked in front of the hotel.

I mean, there's actually nothing in this report indicating that this person had been in the in the moon bar.

With the exception of he had just shot up a vehicle that was parked directly outside of the bar.

Yeah, because I'm like, that says that with 3M shots fired at 148 East Market Street, which is attached to 3L.

They're the same.

Right.

The enter under the same cab.

But it was, you know, from a vehicle in downtown Indianapolis.

There's nothing in here about anything happening inside the premises of the moon bar.

Just no, just a drive-by at the bar.

Right.

Okay.

I understood.

I'm just, you know.

Um we want to run through some of these incidents.

So 3A, the 6125.

Um, a verbal altercation outside.

Um indication that these individuals had been in the bar.

3B.

511 2025.

This this incident report says clearly the suspects never obtained entry to the bar.

3C, 39, 2025.

But no, two of the people in this report did.

Victim one stated that suspect two and suspect one didn't go into the establishment.

But she and victim two did.

Right.

So the victims were in the bar, the suspects were not in the bar.

However, everyone was belligerent and yelling.

Which is sorry.

Yeah.

So uh I mean, you know, victims come out of the bar.

There's an altercation with people that had not been in the bar.

That's 3D.

Uh 3C.

This is someone grabbed a purse, led to a disagreement.

I mean, it appears that security quickly addressed and broke up this fight.

Um what security's there for.

I mean, this I will admit this is something that happened inside the premises of the moon bar.

Understood.

But you know, it was an incident that was quickly addressed by security.

3D, there's a fight outside at the closing, which persons were stolen.

Again, no weapons involved.

Another thing, so this was on a Saturday, and one thing, another change that we have made is where we've sort of rebranded Saturday nights from uh like a hip hop night to more of an R and B night to try and attract an older clientele.

So that hopefully that will address some of these issues going forward.

And that came out of the same meeting with IMPD.

Um 3E.

So it says incident happened outside.

Um suspect got out of a vehicle, and the rest of the report follows the suspect getting out of this vehicle in the area.

So nothing about the suspect being in the moon bar.

He was in a vehicle, he got out of the vehicle.

The rest of the report is what it is.

The officer says in this report, based on our five years of experience working downtown, this area is known for high levels of violence, often involving weapons and firearms surrounding the bar crowd.

Um I am not aware of any other bars being in that area except for in that immediate area, except for this one.

So what else would she mean by attached to the bar crowd?

Well, I mean, first of all, she's saying her five years.

I mean, that there's the previous ownership at this location.

There has been a lot of activity right down the street at 120 East Market Market Street over the years.

Uh illegal parties, things of that nature.

And I'm actually getting to what my client says.

I'll just skip to it.

So 3K, which which was the 19-year-old that we talked about.

TJ tells me that XIS looked into this, you know.

We didn't get cited for underage in this bar.

And he says that XI's looked into it, and the per and this the that person had been at 120 East Market Street, not at the moon bar.

You want to speak to that more?

Yes, uh, I think it was an officer swallowed that called me regarding the incident that happened with 19 year old.

I had given me their name and checked the scanner and everything.

They weren't there.

But later, they just saw the sign when they gave them the aggressive side, it says moon bar and grill outside, but they're at 120 because 120 doesn't have a like uh name to it, but does have like 10 stories where like the owner literally rests one month out and there's like a lot of parties going on over there sometimes.

There's penthouse after parties.

I mean, it's I I had I called in by myself too sometimes because literally it's a lot of minors, like people going there and heavily drinking a parking lot.

So that's when the 19-year-old incident happened.

That's when officer called me back.

You're like, yeah, you're right.

Uh she was at the 120 building, not at the moon bar and grill.

Did he review surveillance footage from your location to determine that?

Or how did he determine that he hadn't been in the 19 year old hadn't been in your bar?

Uh he didn't do the video.

I guess like he asked for more detail.

I don't know if she was in the hospital or like what happened with the incident.

And uh he elated this because he just called me and told me like a lili, okay.

Uh the person was not there because he just asked me to check the name, and that person was not there, you know, at all, like on the scanner or nothing.

And they could have been in there under an uh someone else's ID, possibly, but there's no evidence.

He had confirmed the the person to say they were at 120 there when they did the investigation.

That's what you confirm, yeah.

Okay.

Um 3F and 3G.

This is activity that happened inside the moon bar.

You know, it was a family uh incident between two cousins, you know, so it was like a family issue, not not a random act.

Um so I would you know, I would just sometimes family stuff happens, and uh I would just understood that you know, and and security did break it up quickly.

So again, um 3H says um a vic this one says so the victim was jumped outside the bar.

Uh the suspects um knew the ex-boyfriend, and you know, they had apparently that they there was there had been like a relationship between the perpetrator and the and the victim.

So jumped outside, you know, what again I'm not sure what my client's supposed to do about something like that that happens outside between people who know each other.

Um then the 319, this is 3i on the the March 19th incident.

So the victims were at the bar again, and nothing in this report indicates that the suspects had been in the bar again.

Um they were approached when they left, and this this report also indicates that there had been a birthday party.

So you know, people are talking on social media.

I mean, uh about like a party that they're attending.

I mean, it's it's possible or probable that the people that you know jumped these victims outside the bar that knew that they were gonna be there at this birthday party, and and this happened again.

No indication that the that the suspects had been in the bar.

It's something that we're hearing over and over.

Um 1229, uh 2023.

This is 3J.

Um this one, you know, unf I mean unfortunate.

Uh this one I'd say, yeah, you know, so there's like two or three where you know it happened inside the bar, and this is this is one of them.

Again, the security addressed it.

Um I would call this this one maybe the most most unfortunate incident in the binder.

Um we already talked about 3K.

Um the shots fired incidents.

Um then uh you know this was actually touched on in President Graves, you kind of teased this out.

I mean, uh this was the TJ's landlord that that apparently did this.

I mean, he he had no knowledge of it.

Um this is not uh this bribery activity is not something that that's been attributed to him.

I mean, so his landlord owns the microtell by window, which is right there in the report.

52.

TJ's obviously not 52.

So you know, this is in this binder, but uh not something that he did.

Um as far as um we already kind of talked about you know his use of promoters and and again, I mean, you know, any concert.

I mean, there's there's promoters promoting concerts all over town.

I mean, it's uh he's not in the business of turning his premises over to a promoter to host a party.

Which is where you see issues.

Um then, you know, we I mean it also touched on what the with these letters.

Um I understand that the neighborhood perspective, you know, they're they're hearing a lot from IMPD about about Moon Bar.

Um a lot of the stuff that that's talked about in these letters has to do with the car break-ins, um, which I think I've we've belabored already.

My view of the probative nature of that.

Um so I'll just close.

You know, we received a violation in March this year, it was settled for some thousand dollars.

Um TJ's never had his license suspended.

We've never been on the pace program, you know, the things that that this board uses to get bar owners' attention.

Um so you know, why I I would ask why would we skip you know all those potentials and just go straight to revocation?

Um, if the board should should you know review these materials based on his you know what his uh within his control and not extraneous factors.

Um I I would just suggest that like a sober review of this record reveals that there's just not enough here to revoke this license today, the vote to deny the renewal of this license.

Um a lot of the activity I think that there's holes in the story as far as how how it's you know how attributable it is to the business operation with that all close.

I guess question?

Yeah okay.

TJ, I want to ask you some questions about the email that you submitted that Clark Kirkman submitted on your behalf on 815 to IMPD.

Um some of the things in there that you're agreeing to.

Uh one of them is beginning next weekend.

Moon bar will no longer feature hip hop music on Saturdays.

The music will be changed to RB.

Um this will change the target demographic to an older demographic.

Um why do you think that's necessary to do?

What's she more exactly long?

It's your email from the email that was hint up where we said we were changing the to R and B from hip-hop.

Okay.

Well, I'm saying that we're trying to draw like an older crowd, like more mature, like literally.

I mean that's not gonna bring no violence or anything like giving around the place all like I think changing that up, literally changed the atmosphere over there, I guess like R and V, it's more not like a love romantic, you know, it's not like any violence like the song doesn't hype people up or anything.

It's night goes really smooth with those, you know.

And I think it will work really good, you know, with uh atmosphere.

I mean, whatever happened in the past, you know, literally, I I have enough experience.

I've seen enough in a year I know, like literally moving on.

Uh what we what steps we need to take to improve the place so that we don't have those issues again, you know.

How often are you there?

What is it?

How often are you there?

I'm there every day.

You're there a bit like during the day, at late at night.

Uh I'm there most of the time, like literally in the daytime I would come.

Sometime I'll clean or I I'll start the beers and everything.

And sometimes like we have uh like a day party, a day events, you know, like all-star weekend we were really busy when Angel Reese was there.

I was there like 11 in the morning to 11 30 at night, you know.

And literally the day next day I had another uh event during the daytime.

I had to come back 11 in the morning.

So I did leave that day like 11 30, you know, literally just to get some rest and come back.

You're there till close a lot of the time.

Yeah, under the clothes, like literally I have to close out everything, you know, pay everybody, and literally I'm there till like 4 30 in the morning.

How often are you there till 4 30 in the morning?

4 30.

How often are you there till closing, I guess is my question.

It's like uh from Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday mostly.

Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Yeah.

And you feel like changing the changing the demographic will change the clientele?

Yes, and also that and moving forward, like I'm trying to change it into like a more like a sports launch bar, like where people come watch the game and stuff.

Cause uh literally, I mean, I don't like dealing with all the the nightclub scene or anything.

So I think having a sports bar you'll do more good in the lunchtime with the food and everything.

It's just it's less headache, you know.

Like there's a lot of sports bar, like killer and brothers, you know, I left the concept.

Literally, people come over, they have a good time, you know, you close that at 12 or 1 o'clock, and it's just less violence, you know.

And plus also, you know, the landlord's working on building, I think, condos upstairs.

So later are you moving on?

Like uh, I don't want to keep the music on all the way to three o'clock where it bothers uh, you know, the upstairs neighbors.

So that's why I think converting it into a sports bar later on.

I mean, it would be the best choice for me, you know.

Yeah, we we have plans to to in the next um five or six months make make those changes.

Um that it'll be kind of coincides with with the terms of lease.

And um, and like you said, yeah, there are condos that are being um built right above it.

So you know, we have plans to actually change the concept at the bar um in the short or in short order.

Um so do you is that because you think the current clientele causes these kinds of issues that we've seen?

Is that why you want to change the clientele?

To be honest with you, like when I came in this business, Lily, I mean, it was 2022, and my dad has retired from any restaurant visit.

He was gonna have me out start it, and his brother passed away in India.

That's where we went for a funeral in 2023, right when we were opening.

My dad uh had a silent attack, but uh he was in the uh ER, you know, or for that.

And they wanted to me to get married in 2022.

I couldn't go because I had to go to the funeral instead, and in 2023, then my dad was in the hospital.

So I'm going to the hospital back in the business, and both of them, you know, like but that business literally I was running low on the rent.

That's when I like okay, let me just do this, so you know, have some money to pay the rent and everything at the business going, you know.

But like coming to now, like literally I have more time, you know, like my wife and everything.

So I think converting into a sports bar or something, you know, it would be better.

It'd be more like calm and you know, the atmosphere, like the downtown, like literally, there's a lot of foot traffic, you know, like a lot of conventions coming.

I think it's a good place where people come enjoy dinner, watch games, you know, like it's something uh change these change like literally.

I'm not I'm not like 25 or 26 no more, I'm like 35, so I don't really want to deal with all this ethic, you know.

Like literally, I want to do what's good for you know, everybody, you know, the liquor board and everybody, you know, like I want to make changes.

I don't want to make excuses, I actually want to make changes to, you know, like literally whatever the exercise wanted me to do, I am PD wanting me to do.

I'm willing to work with them, you know.

Yeah, stop this.

Yeah.

So my my question is you feel like you need to change your clientele because the current clientele, the nightclub atmosphere that you had has become an issue.

Yes or no?

I think we want to be a good one.

No, no, no.

Yes or no.

I mean I I'm not I don't think it's an issue right now.

Yeah, yes or no.