Good morning.

This hearing of the local alcoholic beverage board of Marion County is now in session.

My name is Ty.

Well, I should tell you today's Monday, November 3rd.

My name is Tyler Graves, and I serve as president of the board.

Today we will hear cases in Speedway, Beach Grove, Lawrence, and then the rest of Marion County, Indianapolis, representing.

Let's see here.

Who do we have with us?

So to my far left, representing the city of Lawrence is Mr.

Jim Hennigan.

To my immediate left, appointed by the city Indianapolis City County Council is Ebony Chappelle.

And to my right, serving as secretary of this board is Excise Officer Amy Sunier.

This meeting is being broadcast live on Channel 16.

It will be rebroadcast several times in the coming weeks.

You're on television, and the board requests that you act accordingly.

At this time, please silence your cell phone so you do not interrupt the hearing.

If you find it necessary to take a call or to have a conversation with someone here with you, please be respectful and step out into the hallway.

Here is the order in which we will conduct business this morning.

We will first ask individuals who have come to remonstrate to stand and come forward to the microphones hanging from the ceiling.

Give us your name and the name and address of the business business you are here to remonstrate against.

We will then hear cases on today's docket pertaining to the town of Speedway, City of Beach Grove, and the City of Lawrence.

Next, we will call all applicants for new or transfer application on today on today's docket.

We will then call renewals on today's docket, which have violations or remonstrators.

After we finish today's published docket, we will consider cases that have been continued from a previous hearing.

All of those coming before the board today, whether you're an applicant representing the applicant, or are here to remonstrate, will testify under oath.

Officer Sunier will now administer the oath.

If you're going to testify before this board this morning, please raise your right hand.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Thank you.

If an applicant should have remonstrators, it has been the practice of this board to accept one request for continuance from both the applicant and the remonstrator.

Should the board deem it appropriate, additional continuances may be granted.

Are there any remonstrators in the hearing room?

Yes, sir.

Morning, Chris Stabb with Near Eastide Community Organization opposing Indy Supermarket 2040 East Washington Street.

Supermarket.

All right.

That one again is still pending, so that it'll be continued.

Um the reason it's continued again is because it's a pending revocation hearing.

So no hearing today.

So no hearing today.

If you want to email me before the next meeting, and instead of coming down, I can let you know if it's going to go in December.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Mr.

Stubb, do you have her contact information?

I do.

Applicants appearing in Marion's.

Yes.

Oh, I apologize.

Come forward to the microphone.

Thank you.

Doesn't matter which one.

Yeah.

My name is Wesley Collada.

Um, I'm remonstrating against the Indianapolis Royal Order of Moose Lodge, 7055 East 16th Street.

That one is a renewal without violation, so they do not, they did not have to appear today.

Um is there anyone here representing the Moose?

Okay, so what I'll have to do is send them a notice and let them know that a remonstrance has been entered, and I'll continue it to December.

So that will be continued to December 1st.

All right.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Any other remonstrators?

Applicants appearing in Marion County are required to have four items before the board can hear your case.

We cannot, we will not hear your case if you do not have these four items.

The first, the affidavit of compliance of posting the permit advertising sign from the ATC for at least 10 days prior to the meeting hearing.

The second, affidavit of compliance or notice sent to the property owners and neighborhood organizations that you sent written notice to about today's hearing.

The third, the zoning affidavit obtained from the Department of Metropolitan Development.

And the fourth, the Marion County Tax Clearance form from the Indiana Department of Revenue.

If you do not have all of these items, please let us know when you come full.

In addition to those required documents, if you are a new or transfer application, you are required to have a final inspection approved prior to your permit being made active.

Um I will give you my contact information when we call you forward and hear your application.

It's your responsibility to contact me to schedule that inspection.

I will not contact you.

If you're in the assembly room here, please take your your hats off, your baseball hats for me.

Appreciate it.

All right, Jim, would you like to get started?

Alrighty.

We have a renewal is RR 4935177, certified hospitality LLC operating as Amori Italian Kitchen and A.J.

We have a renewal is RR 4935177, certified hospitality LLC operating as Amore Italian Kitchen and AJ Barn Grill at 9755 and 9759 Fall Creek Road.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

We have another renewal without a violation is RR 4939846, Fitzgerald's Catering Corp operating as Fitzgerald's Lunch House at 9130 Otis Avenue.

Suite D.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

We have another renewal.

DL4933214.

Moose Liquors Incorporated, operating as Moose Liquors at 4905 North Franklin Franklin Road.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Okay, we have an the last one here is renewal with violation is RR 4936592 8501 Penleton Pike Club LLC operating as the Harem House at 8501 Penalton Pike.

This one will be continued until December.

We will hear that one in December.

Alrighty.

All right.

I'll take care of Beach Grove.

We have one renewal without violation.

Calling DL4930437.

Vedant holding LLC, doing business as A1 Liquors at 3418 South Emerson Avenue.

Oh no, it does have a violation.

Yeah.

Sorry.

All right.

Hey, see Jim.

Thank you.

All right.

Welcome.

Hi.

Greg, would you like to introduce?

Yeah, uh, so my name is Faraj Patel, and that's my dad, uh Detonk Lumar.

Uh he's the owner, but I really just oversee the operations.

Owner of the license, and you run the day to day.

Okay.

Uh Amy, I don't.

I yeah, I don't think I transferred it from October.

Okay.

So I don't have the report.

But it is an access to send it to you guys.

Oh, it is.

Okay.

Well, do you know why you're here?

Yeah.

Uh one of our employees uh they accidentally sold to an uh a minor.

Okay.

Um how long have you had your license?

Uh close to 10 years.

10 years.

How many violations do you have?

This is our first.

First one in 10 years.

All right.

Well, uh, what's your process?

How do you how do you check IDs?

Usually uh anyone like under 40 or 50, we check the IDs.

Uh this time I think it was a little busy in this door, and um he was he was kind of in a rush and it kind of slipped away.

Uh we made a change now.

Uh our POS system, we can actually scan IDs and um it authenticates if it's under twenty under 21 or not.

So we just do that now.

Can the trend tax can cast our can the transaction still occur if they don't use the scanner?

Could they just not use it?

And so we could bypass it, but uh we chose not to, so everyone has to scan their ID.

So it's a policy that they have to use the scanner.

But the would the transaction still go through?

Uh they did not, it would not.

Yeah, we we so we locked it from our side, so everyone who has an ID.

Uh everyone has to have an ID too.

Uh purchase.

Perfect.

Regardless, yeah.

So regardless of age, if someone that look appeared to be 60 years old comes in without an ID.

Will you serve them?

Uh so we we do ask for their ID.

Okay.

So the employee does have a chance to bypass it, but uh we we locked it for now.

So my question is if someone that comes in appears to be say 60 years old, doesn't have your ID on them.

We yes, we would but and I say I don't have my ID.

Would you you would not be able to bypass it?

You would turn them away and tell them to come back.

Okay.

You said for now.

Is there you said you've locked it for now?

Is there a process where you may unlock it?

I mean, uh the employees been working for like five years, and it I mean I I think it was a genuine mistake, so I don't really foresee it ever happening again.

This is our first violation ten years, but I mean most customers they kind of understand because any other liquor store around here, everyone asks for their ID, so it's not like any unusual, you know.

I would recommend maybe keeping that the way it is, um, because it can just avoid mistakes in the future because people make mistakes.

So having this in place would ensure that they can't do it, so you would know it was malicious if they tried to go around it anyway.

So yeah.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

I don't know that you can because you can't.

Oh, I can't you can't okay.

Well, I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Aye aye.

Motion carries, good luck, guys.

Thank you.

She can Peter can't.

Peter can.

13 years.

I'm gonna figure it out first.

Um, moving on to speedway.

We have one renewal without violation.

We have RR 499 8027, El Rodeo Mexican Restaurant Number Two, doing business as El Rodeo Mexican restaurant number five.

Uh at 2606 North High School Road.

Uh renewal without violation, therefore I make this.

So I make a motion to approve.

Second.

There's a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

That takes care of Beach Grove, Lawrence, and Speedway.

I will move on to the City of Indianapolis.

Calling R R 4942661, United Skates of America Incorporated Skate Land at 3902 North Glen Arm Road.

This application has been withdrawn.

Calling RR 4942841, King's Bakery LLC doing business as King's Bakery at 10069 East Washington Street.

There was no sign posted, and there's been a request for a continuance.

Calling RH 4930 387 ALM Indy Northwest LLC doing business as Courtyard Indianapolis Northwest at 7226 Woodland Drive.

Morning.

You have your application with you?

Hand that to the officer, please.

All right, I'm gonna have you come back forward, please.

You come back.

So this tax form has to be has to have an approval from revenue.

So it's got to be this workout too.

I got more coffee, but I'm excited to stamp a bottle water reminder.

I have something for later occasion, but until I have this approval, we cannot hear the application.

So I don't need this one.

Um everything else looks good.

So we'll have you leave the orange sign, leave the orange sign posted.

Change the date to December 1st.

Make sure you get that approved and signed and brought back, and we'll see you in December.

You're welcome.

Calling RR 494287, Machu Pete Pichu Restaurant Incorporated, doing business as Machu Picchu at 5356 West 38 Street.

They've requested a continuance calling RR 4942954 Everest Momo House LLC doing business as Everest Momo House at 3816 North High School Road.

Good morning.

He probably has their paperwork.

Thank you.

So uh Rob McGroom.

Sorry, was your last name?

Uh Guru.

Grove?

Yeah.

All right, Mr.

Gro.

Um, what would you like to do?

Oh, I'm here for hearing for the date for Lake.

I mean beer and wine license.

Okay.

Is this your first license in the state of Indiana?

Yes, sir.

All right.

Would you like to run to the question?

Sure.

We have a set list of questions that we ask all first-time petitioners.

Answer loud enough that we can hear you on the microphones, please.

Okay.

Did you prepare this application or did someone else prepare it for you?

I didn't, yeah.

Your attorney prepared it.

Okay.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes, ma'am.

Is there anything that you wish to add to the application?

No.

Did you list uh oh excuse me?

Are you the only owner of this business?

Uh pretty much, yeah, technically, yeah.

Tell us about that.

I mean, uh, so I have like uh are there like 25% of my uncles, so I'm the like 75% off like ownership.

Okay, got it.

Are the other owners listed on the application?

No, only me.

Well, they need to be listed on your application.

Would you like to continue it?

Next month, yes.

Okay, all right.

Well, we'll see you guys next time.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I mean it's okay.

Well, you guys have time to fix it before you come in next month.

Okay, I thought Nick was handling this on the ex out this morning, but I won't figure out we'll get it resolved for next month.

No problem.

Okay, all right.

Calling RR 4942955, La Tapatia, Mexican Restaurant, Bar and Grill Incorporated doing business as La Tapatia Restaurant at 6283 North College Avenue.

Turn this down.

Morning.

Good morning.

Morning.

All right.

Second restaurants.

Second restaurant, second license?

Yes.

All right.

How long have you had your first license?

Uh for about nine months.

Nine months?

All right.

Any violations?

Uh just one.

You have one in nine months?

Yes.

What was it for?

I was um we uh run out of uh alcohol and decided to purchase a little bit.

We learned from that though.

Did you know ahead of time you weren't supposed to do that?

No.

No?

Where are you allowed to purchase alcohol from?

Just from um wholesalers?

Wholesalers.

Do you have all your accounts set up now with wholesalers?

Yes.

And you understand if you run out, you're just out until they deliver to you again.

Correct.

Okay.

Okay, so you want a second license?

Uh but the first one doesn't start off that that great.

Um you're clear on all the rules and responsibilities that come with having this license.

Everybody sits in that chair says yes, but then every month we have violations.

Oh, yeah.

So you're you're clear on the rules and responsibilities.

Okay.

Um what's the capacity of your restaurant?

It's uh nine, it's a small restaurant, three thousand square feet, so it's like around one.

Okay.

And what are the hours of operation?

Uh from eleven to ten.

Seven days a week?

Yes, seven days a week.

All right.

What's your policy for checking IDs?

Since we're gonna have like a whole bunch of uh young customers.

Why are you gonna have a whole bunch of young customers?

It's close to like uh the whole barbell sorry on call jobs.

Uh check everybody, so that's that's that's the best policy.

Uh what happens if your employees don't check an ID and do serve a minor?

Uh which is like uh terminate them.

Is that part of a written policy?

Yes.

Okay.

So you hand each employee that written policy, and then what happens?

They sign it, you sign it?

Yes.

Do you review it?

Um you review it periodically with the employees?

Uh yes, we talk to them uh once in a while.

Once in a while.

Yeah.

Now with two locations, how will you handle management?

Will you be at how often will you be at each location?

Uh well, this is my wife.

Um, she helps me.

Okay.

Uh state one, she stays in the so one of you will be at each at the location.

I'm okay.

Okay.

Well, any further questions from the board?

Being in that area, do you ever anticipate staying open later at night to do nighttime events or will it strictly be a restaurant?

Yeah, it's strictly a restaurant.

Family remote.

Okay.

All right.

That's it.

All right.

I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Tyler.

We disclose both owners on Everest Momo House.

Do you want to come back?

Okay.

You did the paperwork right.

He just okay, yeah, no problem.

Okay.

He's still here.

Do we need to recall that?

No, Momo.

Let's make sure he's still here.

Yeah, he is.

Yeah, you can recall it.

All right.

Recalling.

R R 4942954 Everest Momo House LLC doing business as Everest Mo House at 3816 North High School Road.

Uh did you get through all the questions?

I did.

Okay.

Well, no, no, I didn't.

Yeah.

I stopped at uh did you list the other members on the application?

That's where I stopped.

So do I just pick up the right there?

All right.

Did you list the other owners of the business on the application?

You did.

Yes.

I did, yeah.

Okay.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Okay.

Are you applying for carry out privileges?

I'm sorry.

Are you a king?

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

What does that mean?

No.

Yeah, meaning you would allow people to buy their inner to leave with alcohol.

Oh no.

Yeah, okay.

Are you applying for a limited separation?

Meaning are you going to have a separate bar area from the restaurant?

No.

Area.

Okay.

Okay.

What type of restaurant is Everest Momo House?

And Indian restaurant.

Okay.

What's the capacity of your space?

Uh 1700 square feet of something.

Oh, how many seats?

It is like uh 32.

32 seats.

Yeah, 3032.

And then um, do you have a policy for checking IDs?

Yes.

What is the policy?

So the policy is like we required to check like every like underage, like 18 above.

I mean, 21.

I mean and also like we take like every like customer who buy a liquor, I mean beer and wine.

So your policy is to check everyone?

Not everyone.

It's like uh but who buying uh alcohol so anyone who buys alcohol, you would check their ID.

Yes, yeah.

Are you um you clear on the rules and responsibilities?

I'm not I don't get the sense that you're clear on all the rules of how you're gonna run this license.

You prepared for this license?

I mean So we're gonna if we give you a license, you can serve alcohol, and we want to know that you're serious about that responsibility.

Are you?

Yes, yeah.

Okay, all right.

What happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

Any thought to that?

I mean, so one of your employees sells alcohol to someone who's under 21.

What happens?

I get I mean for me, like uh I wouldn't I'm gonna like train my employees to like not to like you know have like IDs before they sell it to the uh liquor, you know.

So would you retrain them?

Would you yeah, we're gonna train.

I mean, I'm gonna try and like management team to like everyone's trend them to have an ID before they sell it to all of the people.

But if someone broke that rule, would you fire them or would you retrain them?

I mean, I can return them.

I'm not sure you can.

I mean, do you do you know the rules?

Yeah.

Do you know you as I can fire?

Do you know as the owner you also have to take the training?

Do you know that?

Yeah.

Okay.

Have you done that yet?

No, not yet.

Okay, that's gonna be very important because I don't know that you're really aware of all of the rules that you're going to have to follow.

And then you're gonna get yourself into trouble if you don't.

Okay.

Because it's my first time, like you know, having like uh decoration.

So that's the scary part.

Yeah.

Yeah, so if you make sure that you take the training that you're supposed to have, and your ploy your employees go through the exact same training, um, and you guys are regularly checking in on that, checking everybody's ID, like you said.

You know, hopefully you guys are okay, but yeah, you gotta get all the information as soon as possible.

Okay.

It's a serious, it's a serious responsibility.

Um, are there any further questions from the board?

No.

I'll accept a motion.

I make a motion to approve.

There's a motion to approve.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

All right, there's a motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

You you passed.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I don't feel good about that.

Okay, calling RR 4942964, Zumi Group Incorporated, doing business as a Zumi Japanese cuisine at 6905 South Emerson Avenue.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Okay, study.

Nice good.

Greg Henrik of Bradford Riley with me is renting zoo.

Yeah.

So the um new owner of Azumi uh Japanese restaurant.

So this is an existing restaurant that's open today?

Yeah.

Uh it's open.

Actually, it's open luntai, and we just got the restaurant.

Okay.

So they bought the restaurant, but not the license.

They've applied for their own new license.

All right.

So then where's that license gone?

That one was surrendered back.

It was a beer of wine.

Okay, got it.

And is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Yes.

All right.

Ms.

Chappelle has some questions for you.

All right.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

Very clearly.

All right.

And did you have a chance to review it after he did it?

Yeah.

Did the application?

Okay.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

It's true.

Okay.

Is there anything that you wish to add to the application?

No.

Okay.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Okay.

Do you understand that an ex officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit permits at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Okay.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

No.

Are you applying for a limited separation?

Yes.

Meaning you are going to have a bar inside the restaurant.

Uh no.

State service on the bar.

Yes.

So it's going to be service to the table.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Those are all the questions.

Ma'am, do you have a policy on checking IDs?

Yes, we do.

Oh, we were tracking every people like buying the ICAHO, every people like the under 40 R50.

So we were tracking the ID.

So you'll check just the people who look to be under 40 or 50?

Yes.

Okay.

And what would happen if one of your employees did serve a minor?

That would be case by case.

Um the first time I maybe I will give the one one more chance to I will retrain them.

If they still like that, I will be let go.

You'll be let go after a second.

And then are you responsible for the training?

You're gonna make sure everybody goes through the training?

Yeah.

And you're clear that you have to go through that as well.

Okay.

Um what is the capacity of your space?

How many seats?

Oh yeah, how many seats are in the restaurant?

Uh 40.

40.

Yes.

Okay.

And then what hours of operation will you have?

When are you open?

Uh the Monday we close.

And the Tuesday for the Thursday we closing at the like 11 to the night clock, uh, 9 30 clock.

And the uh Saturday is 1130 to the 1030.

And the uh Sunday is 12 to the 9.

Okay.

Yeah.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, man.

Great.

Thank you so much.

All together.

All right.

We're gonna call the next three cases all together.

They're the same company.

Calling RR4942969.

AstraZ, Inc.

Corporate uh Corporation, Lincoln Square Pancack House at 8041 Madison Avenue.

Calling RR4942970, Lincoln on 11th, Lincoln Square Pink House at 613 West 11th Street.

And RR4942975.

Triple E City Incorporated doing business as Lincoln Square Pancake House at 8150 Oakland Road Suite 109.

Greg Gendrick with Rap and Riley with me is Pete Apostle.

No.

Hey, good morning.

General Manager for the Courtney.

This is not your first.

I think Lincoln has other.

Okay.

Um how many violations in Marion County?

None.

None?

Why?

Because way by 100%.

We card 100% everyone signed separate policy and they have to print or file.

That's awesome.

What would happen if one of your employees?

It's great.

Any further questions from the board?

Anything different about these locations than your other restaurants?

No, actually, those are more senior locations.

We just kind of held back because we didn't think they'd do well there.

All we sell is mimosas.

That's all we're selling.

Just family dining.

Family dining, breakfast lunch only.

We're close seven days a week, seven to three.

And how do you keep track of the employee permits?

We have them in your file reviewed weekly, monthly, yearly.

Every file, everybody has a managers have a spreadsheet with all the permits and dates.

Okay.

And they go and check them whenever they run out to go ahead and pull them up when they file them and keep them on there.

And they keep them on themselves too.

Okay.

Great job.

All right.

Do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second that.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

And that is for all three.

Yes.

Yes.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR 4942 995, Villas Mexican Restaurant LLC doing business as Villas.

Pubuleta Mexican restaurant at 5110 West Pike Plaza Road Unit 11.

I could not find an order.

I could not find an orange sign for this one.

No, there was no sign posted when I went morning.

It needs to be on the outside somehow.

It's got to be seen by the scene from the street.

And the porta and then more.

I couldn't find it.

If it's there, it's not posted visibly enough to be seen by the public, so it may need to be moved.

Okay.

But when I when I go, I look everywhere just to make sure that I'm not missing it.

So if I'm intentionally looking for it and you can't find it, then it's definitely not posted properly.

I can't I couldn't find it.

See, yeah.

So how about how about this?

I'm going to continue it to December.

Let's get together and let me help you figure out the best place to post it to make to make sure.

Okay.

Just email me and we'll schedule some tooth.

Okay.

Thank you.

Calling RR 494 3003, Me Mexico 4 LLC, doing business as El Taco Toro at 5331 West Washington Street.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Jeff McKean.

This is Ivan Hernandez.

You may remember Ivan was here last spring.

So this is a beer and wine application for a restaurant permit on the west side on West Washington Street.

Small space, about 32 seats.

He had some administrative violations involving his criminal history.

I don't believe you've had violations other than the administrative ones we dealt with last year.

Okay.

Um policy for checking IDs.

Everyone, sir.

Everyone?

What happens if there's a minor sir?

Immediate termination.

Okay, and hours of operation?

Uh eighty, well, 10 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

Seven days a week.

Correct.

Okay.

And is this an existing restaurant you're buying?

No.

I don't know.

We built it.

All right.

How will you check?

Uh how will you make sure that the employees permit or their yeah, their permits are uh current.

So we don't hire without uh a permit, and if they need to be uh if they need a permit, we uh go through the process with what them to uh to get the license otherwise they don't they what about when they come up for renewal that we have to check uh we keep all the uh their files per per um per employee and then we try to you know keep up with the dates as soon as they have to renew.

Do you have a standard time of the year or the month where you go and check through those?

Every July.

Okay, of each year.

All right.

So you you say we, but obviously you can't be at all these locations yourself.

Correct.

RGR managers are on top of the responsibility.

Correct.

I did double so the issue before was he had some applications that he failed to disclose as criminal elections.

They are all disclosed on this application.

Okay.

How does the alcohol transaction take place?

Um they have a server.

Um they walk up to the table.

What would you like to drink?

Would you like to have uh you know food?

Um they order what they ask for the uh identification if they order any alcoholic beverage and then get everything going.

Okay.

And have you submitted a manager's questionnaire for the manager for this particular list?

Yeah, I've done this yet, no.

Okay, but you will once you have one identified.

Yes.

Okay.

There's no bar at this location.

No bar.

Only family guy.

Family restaurant.

It's very little compared to the other ones, yes.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Moving on to transfer applications.

Calling R R 4942811, Indy Mori Sushi in Hibachi Inc.

Uh, doing business as Mori Sushi at 231 South College Avenue Suite 200.

Uh oh.

Is that your big orange sign?

Oh, that's just a folder.

It's a folder.

No, you're all right.

No, you're fine.

You're fine.

It's the same color as the sign that's supposed to be.

I'll take your paperwork, please.

All right, I'll have you go ahead and come back forward for me, please.

Please come back.

Do you have the approval form from them?

Did you submit this to them?

Do you have the approval?

So we wouldn't, they need to send an approval back to you.

It'll look like it'll look like this.

Did you receive something from them like that?

No, I haven't received it.

Two weeks ago.

Oh, I haven't received it.

Um if you tell you two choices.

If you they're in this located in this building now, if you want to go in there and see if they can give it to you today, we can push you to the end of the meeting.

Or we can continue you to December.

We can't hear you until I have that approval from zoning.

So do I just go to the building?

No, go downstairs.

Don't look, don't go by this house, go downstairs and ask them.

They'll tell you where they're located in this building.

Okay.

If for some reason you don't get it today, I'm gonna go ahead and show you continue to December.

It just depends on how many we have.

Um at least a couple hours, you have at least till probably noon.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

Calling RR 4942839 TNT Enterprise LLC at 5820 West 56th Street.

Oh, good.

Good morning.

Good morning.

No, I don't.

Um, the I was just coming in because I'm a manager, and um they wanted me to let you code at the building that they was gonna give it.

They rented it out.

So we're trying to see if you could just put it in an escrow.

Okay.

So that's something we don't determine during this meeting.

I will give you my business card.

What I'll do is I'll show this application continue to December for now.

Okay.

I'll give you my business card.

Um email me and I'll let you know who you need to contact.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR4942899.

Anika Food Corporation doing business as Aroma India Cuisine and Bar at 130 South Pennsylvania Street, suite 101.

December.

Oh, yes, I'm sorry, this requested.

Calling RR 4942921, Laura Morjaria?

Mohara.

Thank you.

You want to say it again?

La Mora at 404 East Thompson Street unit E.

There's a J in the first one.

It's pronounced her.

I try not to interfere and just let you off.

Please interfere.

Thank you.

That's what I said, right?

Good morning.

My name is Esther Barber.

I have uh quesada in Juan Carlos Garcia.

Juan Cesada, if you remember in September we came for the renewal petrol lounge in which uh because they have a violation.

And we mentioned that Mr.

Pesada by out the other partners that he got and now he's turning the um lounge or nine club into a family restaurant.

So um he's now the sole owner.

And uh in this case, they didn't have a little bit of trouble trying to film a new clientele because apparently this restaurant um this location specifically used to be a bar even before the petrol launch.

So the neighbors knows that it's a bar.

So most of the client pale, the stars show up about 9 30, 10 o'clock, almost at the time they want to close.

So um Juan Carlos is helping Mr.

Quesada to film a new type of client there uh offering um launches.

Do you can explain then what is what you've been trying to do?

Oh, you can't.

I mean if you want to show us Juan Carlos.

Yeah, you're gonna tell me uh to explicit it.

Uh huh.

So if you have something you want us to see, you should bring it all up.

Yeah, he he wanna show you the screen and senior uh on the radio uh flyers to promote launch.

He's a food promoter.

Yeah, okay it's a first launch.

Oh, I don't think that's okay.

I appreciate that.

They try to do coupons and things like that.

Okay.

Alright, so you've advertised on the radio.

It's what you're showing me.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's uh just uh run times on a radio.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, they put a lot into it.

There you go, pal.

Yeah, gracias.

Now they're trying to make a career with the kids and I mean like the family area.

So you're a Mr.

Casada?

Yeah.

Okay, okay.

So you're the owner.

And he's working as a manager basically.

Yeah, okay.

Has he submitted a manager's?

Uh we haven't put it together because we haven't done the transfer officially.

Okay.

That's why he's not part of uh le uh I mean uh they alcoholic there as a manager.

Okay.

So I have no restaurant and this is uh more uh it's made uh more Latin people.

Okay, yeah, another restaurant was uh more um you owe you own several other restaurants or restaurant.

And uh Joseph County, Morgan County, and no violations.

No violations.

No, normally um when he got a new people, he sent it to me, or he put together and I go and do the train for everybody.

Actually, we supposed to do the training last Saturday for the new people on La Mojarra Locra.

But unfortunately the there was some issues with the employees and they don't show up, but we won't risk with that training for them.

Okay.

How many how many people will this see?

How many customers?

How many customers?

Um just when the Tenderkeyano is nine clock, que ya is on restaurant mexicano.

Okay.

It says during the week of the lunch time, maybe sixty-seventy people show up during the launch time.

The great majority they come a little bit late.

But how many can be seated at one time?

Yeah.

Okay.

What are the hours of operation going to be?

How later they wanting to be okay?

At two o'clock, Friday and Saturdays only.

I mean as far as the sports concern, the losses they can be open and serving alcohol until 3 a.m.

Yeah.

But one of the things that I want to make sure because I don't want my clients get in trouble.

I always advise you at a restaurant and you need to operate during restaurant hours.

And that's why they are here because they want to ask you the permission to operate a little bit late.

To make sure to follow the law and don't get in trouble.

You can you can do that, but what we've seen from a lot of restaurants that do that where they're a restaurant until 10 p.m.

and then they become a nightclub afterwards is we see a lot of trouble between 10 p.m.

and 3 a.m.

or 10 p.m.

until the time they close.

So what are you going to do to ensure that we don't have those issues at your location?

Okay, is it not colascal?

Okay familiar.

He's asking a question.

How low, how late the family can be in a restaurant during the night?

Illegally that's up to to them.

Okay.

Now he's uh telling me that what they what they do, they have a security person to make sure they don't don't get in trouble, and also is an officer who patrol the area because they want to make sure everybody's safe in that location and nobody getting trouble.

Is that I and PD off duty or is that the IMPD loss and I think much of homely care must decidan the owner of the building is the one who has the patrol the area because there are a lot of homeless.

So what they try to make sure the client is safe when they walk out out of the building to make sure everybody is so the landlord hires the security.

Do any of Mr.

Kesada's other locations have this model where they close at 10 first one?

Then I know for sure because I I've been working with him so closely, and those other restaurants are in Oranio Norman at 8 de la Mayana.

Yes the own other restaurant was laying the regular hours restaurant hours and this is the first one that you want to extend on the Friday and Saturday.

They would like to have like a life entertainment and things like that during the weekend only.

Yeah.

In order to I would say just be thoughtful be incredibly thoughtful about how you're going about that because a lot of the issues that we see like we talked about the problems earlier over consumption violence um yeah I would say those are probably and underage getting in somehow especially if you're mixing the family restaurant and you might still have miners in there and it's extended late so you just want to be extra extra thoughtful about that security is supremely important.

But you have to be in charge of the security you can expect that they're just gonna do everything with regards to checking the IDs like you need multiple checkpoints especially if you're gonna have miners that are allowed to be in the building at the same time it's operating as a night thing as we can control it stand tomato.

I try to advise them a few things like okay if you want to have people and you have an adult should have something to identify them as an adults to hire a security company who can have professional people checking inside to make sure no underage are drinking at home.

He liked to buy the book he has 13 years working in restaurants and he he got a good reputation he don't want to ruin the the reputation just for one business and he wanna do everything according to to the law.

Yeah he says he he ended up getting into a um business bad business relationship with this prior um people but now he wanna do it the right thing it seems like an unnecessary risk from where I sit uh to have a restaurant that stays open that late live entertainment I don't see any good coming of this I'm I'm concerned feels like when you tell me that the neighborhood sees it as a bar remembers it as a bar kind of feels like you're laying the groundwork to say well you know that's that's the way the neighborhood saw us so the only advice I could give you is it's not that hard.

I don't I don't think running these these bars and and controlling these liquor licenses that difficult if you have character if you run it like a business if you take it seriously your employees will have some respect for you and they'll follow your rules it's not this is not that difficult.

What happens is the bar owners who let things get out of control it starts at the top makes its way down to the employees security's fine we had security at a bar down here the Saturday night didn't do a damn thing they didn't do their job and people got hurt.

Okay so security's one argument to make but if it's not the right security if that security doesn't know they report to you it won't do a damn bit of good you've ran a you ran a good business you haven't had any problems in this county we don't have any violations and that matters um this seems like an unnecessary risk you say you want to protect your reputation then we'll uh we'll see I mean if you run it like a business and if you're in charge those people know you're in charge uh it's really not that difficult to run a clean business we import is a reputable managed negotious negotiation contratar the seguranal no qualquer secure no les portal the mask professional that trabajana protected

No qualquer seguridad, what I'm importarlock, you get the professional que traject para usted.

I trust you.

Delivered it.

Yeah, well, I believe me.

I'm I'm sometimes talk with my clients, but it's because I love when my clients do the right thing.

And that's why I go to training too.

Make sure the employees and again, I don't know, say it thing.

But we're not eating I call natural clients.

You do a great job.

Do a great job.

Yeah.

Just remember, just remember not only do the employees follow your lead as an owner, but you also control your clientele and what's allowed in your business by your customers.

And it's a lot more difficult once that gets out of hand to try to bring it back.

You need to control it from the beginning.

So that we don't see you.

What do you say?

Yeah, but where are they?

Okay.

What is the policy for checking IDs?

Hang on.

Sir, no.

But you're in charge, it's your name, so let's hear it from you.

What is the policy for checking IDs?

What is the political checklist IDs?

Okay.

They check the ID and make sure they are over 21 years of the day.

Where does the transaction take place?

The alcohol transaction.

Is it at the table?

Does someone on the table?

It's at the table only.

All right.

Are there any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, I'll accept a motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling R R 4942 976.

I probably know just as much as you did.

Girb I.

Punjabi Tadka Indian Cuisine.

You're gonna have to help me with that, sir.

What is that?

What is the LLC called?

Say it.

There we go.

Yes.

At 7035 East 96th Street.

Yes.

All right.

This is going from a two-way to a three-way.

Yes.

Yes.

So they've had their license.

Yeah, they were here last month for a violation, they forgot to renew it.

So it was expired.

Oh he's taken care of it now.

So that was this license.

Okay.

So they were here on a renewal for the beer and wine.

Or a violation violation for the beer and wine.

Because they didn't renew their expired permit, and then there was an issue with someone not working their I remember.

Yeah.

Okay.

But they understand.

Yes, sir.

Right.

We had extensive conversation last time.

Oh that um.

So how long how many licenses do you have?

Is it just two?

This one.

Just a one, just and that was your only violation?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Well, what is the policy for checking at ease?

So if you look like you're 50 years old or older.

Or no check it.

No check.

Okay.

What is the capacity of your restaurant?

75 seats.

75?

And how many employees do you have?

I have a me and my my wife and two other we just started.

Okay, and everybody has their permits.

Because I'm over there all the time and my wife.

So you're there all the time?

That's good.

Uh how does the alcohol transaction take place?

Is it decided separately?

Where?

And all separate.

Separate the bar is separate.

They have to go up to the bar.

Yeah, C C so they go up to the bar and then place their order.

Or they're or it goes to the T family dining area.

Okay.

All right.

Well, what happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

I'm five.

You're gonna fire him?

Yes.

All right.

Unless it's your wife.

Yeah, it's all right.

What is the capacity of your space?

75 seats.

75.

All right.

Yes, any further questions?

No.

No, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, sir.

Thank you.

Calling RR 4919383, Mexico City Restaurant Incorporated doing business as Mexico City Grill at 5055 South Dearborn Street.

Excuse me.

No problem.

Calling RR 49405 Nova Lounge Incorporated doing business as Nova Lounge at 5030 Southeastern Avenue.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Good morning.

All right.

Oh, Esther.

That's her scarlet.

Stacey Stoll and Wendy.

Wendy Singwall.

Singlaw.

Okay.

Is this your second?

Were you both sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

Yes.

And is this your first alcoholic beverage license?

Yes.

All right.

We have some set questions we ask all first-time petitioners.

Okay.

All right.

Uh so who prepared the application?

Your attorney prepared it.

Um did you both have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything that either of you wish to add to the application?

You both own the business?

I'm mainly the owner.

99 and 1%.

Yes, 99 and 1%.

Yes.

Alright.

And you both are listed on the application?

Yes.

Okay.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter inspect and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Yes.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

Yes.

You are.

Okay.

And are you applying for limited separation?

Meaning, do you have a bar?

You don't have a bar?

Oh no, no, it's just it's just bar.

Okay, got it.

Those are all the questions.

All right.

Why this bar?

Why are you why are you wanting to purchase this bar?

I just noticed it's a good location.

And it was closed down for a while, so I decided to try it out.

What's your relationship to the previous ownership?

Um I just recently met him when I asked about the bar and why it was shut down.

Huh?

Matt Who?

The owner, the previous owner.

What was his name?

Um I don't I know him as Ruble.

I don't know his I don't know if that's his actual mole given me.

Jay?

Who is Am G's name?

It's his it's his building.

Um Gun Jeet?

Is that his name?

It's on the lease.

I just haven't.

Like I said, we know him by J.

We have a copy of the lease.

I have a copy of the lease as well.

I'm just trying to figure out what your relationship to Omgi.

Oh, it's because of our last names, huh?

No.

No.

Um I just when I asked about the bar, they told me he was the owner, so we spoke over the phone and we didn't meet until I signed the lease.

You didn't you didn't know him August 11th of 2024?

No.

No, I know of I think she had a two different peep.

Maybe.

Your name is Wendy Nicole Singh Law.

Yes.

And what's your husband's name?

Ajmeet Singh.

I believe my husband knows him.

As meet.

Okay, so I'm saying it backwards.

So ajmeet is your husband.

Yes, as meet is my husband.

What's been his involvement in the in the business?

I'm not sure he was involved with the bar.

I believe he works with Jay at a gas station.

So it would surprise you then that he's been listed as an employee on every exercise report that I've had for the last several years.

That would absolutely surprise me.

And the XIS believe he's claimed to excised to be one of the owners.

That would surprise you.

That would absolutely surprise me, yes.

Are you still married?

Yeah, we're married.

And you don't know that you're lived separate for the last three years.

So like it's been we've been off and on in our relationship working out, but we're we're together now, and he's completely aware that I was purchasing the bar.

But you're unaware that he works there.

I was unaware that he was as an employee there.

I was I know he went there.

I know that he knows Jay, but I did not know that he was an employee there.

The reason I'm asking you these questions is because this permit was allowed to be transferred um to the the previous owner agreed to transfer it to an independent third party.

And with your relationship and your husband's relationship to the previous ownership, I would have to say this is not an unrelated independent third party.

It does not it does not appear that way.

I understand.

Okay, so yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead, that's the not an independent third party, meaning but you own one percent.

Yes.

So voting shares.

I mean, we wouldn't have any but it what it appears to me is that you andor your husband and or the previous owner are trying to do something indirectly that you can't do directly, and maybe sneak one past this board.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to sneak one past you guys.

I honestly wanted to be an operator and owner of the bar fee.

Yes, do you but do you see?

I have that.

I absolutely can see because I was not aware that my husband was an employee.

I was not I know that he does work at a few of the gas stations.

I don't know which ones he is part owner.

I don't know which ones his brothers own.

I don't know any of that.

So I I wasn't aware that he was listed as an employee of the bar.

And I'm not just talking about one violation report.

I'm talking about several over the past several years.

Yeah, everyone I look at, he's listed right there being involved along with the other owner.

I get that the blows my mind.

I understand that you didn't until December of 2024.

My husband and I did not, we were married and together and working on our relationship.

We did not live together.

And I had my own job and I was helping pay care of the kids, but we everything else was completely separate.

I had no idea what he was doing in those three years since uh March of 2022 or 2021 is when we decided to live separate.

So I wasn't aware that he had any affiliation with the bar other than attending it, other than going there.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not trying to ask for anything.

Well, I have a question for you.

I have a question for you both.

Um, and you can answer independently, but with the information that has been presented to you today, presumably for the first time, you wanting to be an owner operator.

Do you still feel comfortable trying to move forward understanding the background of this, or would you rather go and pursue a completely independent pathway toward ownership?

I I mean I do feel comfortable, but I'm not I don't think I'd want to just us two in it.

Yeah, I don't want anything to come in between my pursuit of voting bills.

So you having this information you still feel comfortable trying to move forward with this.

It looks bad.

It does too.

It looks really bad.

Yeah.

And then decide what they want to do, and maybe we could come back and plan or probably I support that.

Is there anything Officer Sunnier that would change if in your like from your perspective if they just went back and thought about it and came back next month?

It wouldn't change my vote.

No.

Understood.

Yeah, no, I understand completely.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Nice job.

Oh my gosh.

Calling RR 494 3007, Harmony Events Incorporated doing business as the atrium at 3143 East Thompson Road.

Thank you.

Morning.

Morning.

My name is Jess Breitzerau.

So somebody's saying.

That's me.

You.

All right.

And sir, what's your name?

Louis Sonna.

And what is your relationship to the business, fellas?

Um, I'm uh I bought the business from him, so you've sold to him, and this is the transfer.

All right.

I apologize.

I've never been to the A trim.

What is it?

It's a banquet hall and a conference center.

Okay.

Um catering hall?

Yes.

All right.

How long have you had it?

Uh 26 years.

How many violations did you have?

Zero.

Zero in 26 years.

Great job.

What are you wanting to do?

Same thing.

All right.

Is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

All right.

Miss Chappelle have some questions.

Just answer those loud enough if we can hear them on the microphone.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

Oh, correct it.

Your attorney prepared it.

Okay.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Is there anything that you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

I am.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Oh yes.

Are you applying for carry carry out privileges?

Oh no, I don't think so.

Are you applying for a limited separation?

Yeah.

It's just a standard list of questions.

Okay.

What's the capacity?

About 500 people.

Okay.

And tell me what is your understanding of a private event?

What are you allowed to do under Cating Hall designation?

Kind of events.

You mean specific to uh selling alcohol, you mean?

Um well the uh bartender who works behind the counter has to have a valid alcohol and tobacco license.

Uh we get a copy of the license, we retrain it for our own records.

Uh the uh as we don't have events uh all the time happening.

Um the person comes in about uh half an hour prior to go through the rules and regulations.

Uh the person is uh required to check the ID for every person who seems to be under uh 40 years of age.

Um and if the person looks too intoxicated, uh we resp refuse to serve the alcohol to the person.

Types of events how how does someone come to you to use your space?

Oh, so uh they book an appointment, come in uh check the space out, depending on how many guests what are the requirements are, we send them the quote.

Uh the events booked, uh we do sell food as well, so uh depending on what kind of menu they pick uh capacity we set their room up.

Um let me ask it a different way.

Can you have events that are not um private invitation?

So do you understand that like are you going to have birthday parties, weddings, what other kinds of events are you gonna have?

Um we have corporate events, uh Christmas parties, um, fundraisers.

Um that's pretty much it.

Are you are you planning on having promoters come in?

No.

So you understand that someone can't put on Facebook.

Um we're having this a promoter can't put on Facebook.

We're having this event here, 10 bucks a ticket, come and join us.

Do you understand that's not a private event?

Oh, okay.

No, we don't do that.

Okay, you cannot do those.

Okay.

Um, I have a question about um was a two-part question.

Security and staff on site while events are going on.

What's your policy around having staff on site and having security for events?

Well, what do you mean?

Sorry, I didn't get that.

Like are your events required to have security?

Yes, we always have security.

So you have your own security or the client is in charge of it.

Clients do bring in their own security if it's a fundraiser, and if there's some cash involved, they bring their own security as well.

But you have standard security that's there.

Will you be on site for every event?

Um, yes.

You will be.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you ran it for 26 years and didn't have a violation, didn't have any problems.

No.

Why do you think that is?

Because I was there every event.

You were there every event until it closed?

Did you work with promoters?

No.

Yeah.

Why didn't you work with promoters?

Because it's nothing but trouble.

You hear that?

Yeah.

But he did it for 26 years.

Once again, it's not hard.

The top-down industry.

If you run this place, you won't have any problems.

He did it for 26 years.

Are you the landlord?

No.

No?

Okay.

Will you be associated with this afternoon?

Yes, I'm he does Indian events and American events, and I do the food for for the American events.

Okay.

Um I'm usually at almost every event still.

Um I'm getting to the age where I'm probably going to phase out a little bit, but it'll be a little while.

All right.

500 is a big space.

A lot of people.

Yeah.

I just had one more question.

Uh, as far as your clients are concerned, do you handle uh every event with a contract?

Yes.

With your clients?

Okay.

How does the alcohol transaction take place?

Uh depending on sometimes the prepay, for example, for fundraisers, then they uh they pay in the office.

Yeah if it's uh if it's a cash bar, I think he's talking about actual purchasing.

So you're having a Diwali event, right?

And you're gonna have alcohol.

Yeah, how do the people attain that alcohol?

Uh they walk up to a business.

They walk up to a bar, okay.

And then uh are the employees who check the IDs, are they gonna be do they work for you?

They do work for you?

Okay, so what happens if one of those employees does serve a minor?

Well, we've decided that we'll fire the employee, hopefully if no it never happens.

Sure.

If you have 500 people, will you have some kind of identif uh identification, uh, a wristband, something?

How will you know who's over 21 and who's not?

Just keep checking the ID every time?

Yes, that's what we normally do.

All right, do you have any scanners?

No, no.

Well, dangerous license in my opinion.

Uh but he did it for 26 years, so it it just proves my point.

Uh it's a big space.

Catering halls can get out of control, Facebook and promoters will get you in so much trouble.

Um, but you know, it can be done.

He did it.

So any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR 494 3008 S and EP L L C doing well to be determined at 6331 Guilford Avenue.

Anyone here for that application?

S and EP.

Okay, show continue.

Calling RR 494 3017 Family Francone LLC doing business as Top Us in at 8215 Center Run Road.

Morning.

I think you got a couple more minutes.

Thank you.

Gentlemen, were you sworn in?

Are you here when we did the swearing in?

Uh no, you'll have it take care of it.

I'll swear you both in.

Let me make sure you're putting it in.

Let's make sure your application's all over.

Yeah, we will take no breakfast.

All right, go ahead and raise your right hands for me, please.

Do each of you solemnly swear or from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you have given on your application or any answer you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I do I do.

Okay, state your names for the record, please.

Michael Francione.

Pat Rooney.

What are your relationship to the business, please?

Uh I'm the attorney and prepare the application.

You're the owner?

Yes.

Great.

Is this your first license in Indiana?

Yes.

All right, Miss Schbel has some questions for you.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

He prepared it.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in the application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything that you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Yes.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise in any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit printed premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carryout privileges?

No.

Are you applying for limited separation?

Meaning you have a bar area inside the restaurant.

Yeah.

You do have a bar area inside the restaurant.

Okay.

Those are all the questions.

Thank you.

All right.

Um where's Center Run?

Trying to figure out where this is at.

It's by Castleton Square Mall.

Castleton Square Mall.

Okay.

And this is a Topus restaurant?

Yes.

What's your capacity?

Um it's 3800 square feet.

It's um about 65 um people for tables and then like the bar, another 15, you know, that could sit at the bar, but you know.

Is this an existing restaurant you're buying or are you starting this?

It's existing currently.

Okay.

Will you keep the employees that are there?

Yes.

All right.

Do they have any violations on their current license, whoever the owner is?

There's no current license.

No currently the license that was bought out of Escrove.

Okay.

All right.

Uh, sir, what's your policy for checking IDs?

Um under uh 40 strict policy, check everybody's ID.

Okay.

What happens if an employee does serve a minor?

Um they're gonna be fired.

I mean is it part of a written policy?

Yes.

I find that's pretty helpful.

Yes.

As an owner, will you are you going to manage it yourself?

Um there's uh a person that's already there named Louis Vinya, and he's gonna be helping me with the management role.

Like uh, but I will be there for most of the time, yeah.

You don't live in Indiana though?

I do not currently live in Indiana, but I plan on uh being here by uh January, February.

I just have to take care of some things in Chicago.

So how did you end up buying a restaurant in Indianapolis?

Well, um I um have a friend in uh Chicago named Pete De Jesus, and I met um Mr.

Ramirez through him, and he had talked about um selling his restaurant, and it seemed interesting to me, and I wanted to uh get into um the restaurant business, and it seemed like a very good opportunity.

Um they had a good write up in the paper about their food.

I like the menu.

I mean, I just thought it was a good opportunity.

What's your relationship to Orlando and Saul Ramirez?

Um not really a relationship.

I I you know know Saul, but I don't know him like a friend or anything like that, you know.

I met Orlando two or three times, you know.

I mean, that's about it.

So when um do they still currently hold the lease?

Yes.

So they still have you have no right to the lease right now?

Uh I would be um subleasing from them.

Has that agreement been well it's alternative um because like without the liquor license, I don't see how the restaurant could succeed.

No, come on.

Come on now.

It does have great food, but when you go into a restaurant and you can't buy a drink, you know, and it's dinner time or you know it all the time.

Is Mr.

Is Saw Ramirez still a part of this business?

Yes, and uh like there'll be a transition period, like you know, uh before I get to Indianapolis, so like he he would be running it until I got here, you know, pretty much.

So the fact that that he told Indianapolis Monthly he was one of the owners would not surprise you.

I'm sorry?

The fact that he did an article with the Indianapolis Monthly and told them he was one of the owners or he is the owner, that wouldn't surprise you.

No, it probably wouldn't, you know.

I mean, like uh because like I said, if uh I don't get a liquor license, you know, then there won't be a deal, you know.

Uh clarify that I'm not following.

He said that in an article distributed all over Indianapolis, Indiana.

Uh said he's the owner, and you're saying help me clarify your statement.

Um he he still is the owner currently, you know.

So you're taking over his contingent upon your ability to secure his liquor license?

Exactly.

And why isn't he getting the liquor license?

Yeah.

I don't know.

He doesn't uh I think he wants to get rid of that.

I think he spread too thin.

You know, you know that he was denied by this board recently, and that's why he's not getting this liquor license?

No, I did not.

They were the ones that owned a stereo.

Yeah, I figured it out after you started that question.

So similar to, I don't know if you guys were here.

We heard a case um just a few moments ago, um, where somebody was presented with some information, presumably for the first time about the nature of the license and who's attached to it.

Knowing the information I was just shared with you with you, do you feel comfortable still trying to pursue this?

Yes, because not own any portion of Familia Francioni LLC.

He owns the top as restaurant as that is currently there, and he's as long as this license gets approved, which is not being sold from the top as restaurant that's being sold to Familia Francionia LLC, then he will go forward with his purchase of the restaurant because it will then be a restaurant with a bar.

The seller of the permit also has some concerns and share those with the chairwoman of the ATC that they believed that it was the same ownership purchasing the permit, they just changed the name on paper.

So we've got the the seller that's concerned that it's still the Ramirez's Ramirez's.

Um I've got an article where Mr.

Ramirez identifies himself as the owner, and we've got a denied permit, a previous location, and once that was denied, they chose to withdraw their application in their name now, and it appears they've just found someone else to put it in your name, and they're going to continue to run the business.

So there's two scenarios that usually play out here.

One, the person sitting in your seat knows and they're aware of everything going on.

The other side is you're completely blind to this, and you just didn't have this information.

We've had both scenarios.

Um hearing her say, and think about that.

The person as financial gain, the person selling the license, is saying, ooh, I don't I don't know about this.

And then contacting the state chairwoman.

What do you what do you think about that?

How's that land on you?

I don't know.

I mean, this is all catching your flat foot.

I think so.

What's your business in Chicago?

What do you do?

Um currently um I'm in trucking, you know, and uh I've owned you know trucking companies and triaxels, semis, similar, yeah.

Long haul, short routes, what do you do?

Um I've signed uh I my business model with that is to sign uh lease on to companies, and uh depending, you know, how profitable, you know.

I mean, because every trucking company is different, so I I mean I'll I'll lease on to local intermodal companies, I'll lease on toping on what the driver wants to do, let's be honest.

You know, I mean how long you've been doing that.

Um about uh 12 years.

Okay.

Well, I mean, there's a lot of uh you know, with your experience and your background, I'm um what what do you think about this license?

You want to move forward with this?

I do.

I mean, uh my my dad owned restaurants growing up, and uh my aunt owned restaurants, you know, and I've always helped them, you know, in in different capacities, you know, when you're young, you're a bus boy, you know, whatever.

But uh as you got older, you run the front house, you know, and just different things, but like uh I've always been in uh businesses where it's strict strict timelines and stuff like that, you know.

So um the pressure doesn't bother me for the kitchen or anything like that.

Well, I'm not worried about the pressure.

I just think the scenario doesn't work for me.

I mean, are you at all familiar with their former business a stereo?

You said you don't know them as friends, but you hadn't met one of the owners a handful of time, so are you at all familiar with that business?

Um I I heard that they had a club, but that's about it.

I mean, I don't I've never been to that club.

Because I seldom, you know, I'm I'm not up here as often.

Now, as a businessman, though, you just had a couple curve balls thrown your way.

You didn't know that these things were going on.

Right.

Um how does that make you feel?

Oh, a little blindsided.

You would take 30 days, talk to the people and make sure this is a good decision for you because right now I have grave concerns.

I've grave concerns if I call for a vote, how that would turn out.

Yeah, I don't I don't know.

I gotta be quite honest.

I don't know that I I I believe everything you're telling us as far as your relationship with the Ramirez's.

But like you probably know them better than you're you're letting on.

Um they had a permit that was denied within the last year, which means they do not qualify to have a permit.

They had purchased this restaurant and were in the process of purchasing a permit when the other permit was denied.

So now they've found someone they know to put this permit into your name to try to backdoor it, and then they're going to continue to run the restaurant.

They continue to hold the lease.

Continue to promote themselves as well.

And again, it goes back to you can't do indirectly.

I you can't do indirectly what you can't do directly.

And I feel like this is all smoking mirrors to try to get this permit past this board.

So I I don't need 30 days.

Yeah, it's gonna be a denial for me.

So then make the motion.

Go ahead and make the motion.

I make a motion to deny.

I will second the motion and a second for denial.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

All right, we're gonna take a well before we move on.

Um, just a couple of things so that you aren't you understand what's going to happen now.

This permits made a recommend or this boards make a recommendation to deny this permit application.

It will go to the state commission who will review all our testimony from today.

They will make a decision November 18th.

You will be notified of their decision.

They could do one of three things.

They could approve your they could overturn our decision and approve your application.

They could uphold our decision and deny your application, or they could remand it back to us for further review.

Whatever their decision is, you will be notified of, and you can you can file an appeal if you choose to do so.

All right.

Okay.

And with that, I just need a reason from the board members.

Hmm.

My favorite reason is going to be.

Could I see that really quickly?

Because I've landed on one, but I'm just gonna make for sure.

Um my reason is going to be good moral character.

Yeah.

Maybe challenge too, because I don't know if the legal code captures my concerns.

Okay.

I mean, they don't have the neighborhood here saying no, they don't have records of you know anything going wrong.

Um I just don't think from uh I guess it's legislative code.

Um I don't feel comfortable with this scenario.

I don't feel comfortable with any well, and that's why I picked a good moral character.

Because it's not goes to morals like a judgment call on you.

It's just the nature of the entire situation feels um like it's not true, like there's some nefarious things maybe that you are not aware of, so now you've been pulled into this by an associate or whatever it is, but given all that we know, like it seems and I agree too with you to an extent, but on the other hand, I do think it goes towards your character, which is why I'm voting for that as well, because I do believe that you know more about the situation and what was going on with with the two Ramirezes.

Um, and that's why I'm voting to deny based on character.

Yeah, I'll support that.

Okay.

All right, with that, we'll take a five-minute comfort break before we move on into violations.

Yes, 499105 speedway uh LLC doing business at Speedway 5525 at 4120 Southport Road.

Anybody here from Speedway?

Nope.

All right, should I continue calling RR 4924842 tie papay puppy incorporated doing a papaya?

Thai papaya restaurant at 3905 West 96th Street.

They've requested a continuance calling RR 4926414 L God Darn Harry Haripio Mexican Restaurant doing business as El Jaripio Mexican restaurant at 30 Washington Point Drive.

I need Peter back.

All right, so I gotta find this.

And this is the not the type of it's under El Harris on your good morning.

Good morning.

Were you both sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

Yes.

Okay.

Do you uh could you please just identify yourself and your relationship to the business?

And Loemas Algado manager.

Where's the owner?

He's not here today.

Why?

Because he was out of the county.

They're always out of the country when we have a violation.

Were either one of you the manager at the time this happened?

Yes.

So you're aware of the violation?

Yes.

Okay.

She is the daughter of the voice orders.

All right.

Um we're able to hear it.

I don't like it.

I think the person who has that lat the name on the license should sit in that seat and have to answer for their decisions or lack of decisions.

Um I'll defer to the excess officer, and if she's comfortable, then we'll do it.

It's a compliance check violation.

There, if they're aware of it, they were there.

Pretty standard.

I'll give you that.

If it was a more significant severe.

All right.

Then we'll we'll go forward.

Okay, what happened?

Who's gonna answer?

I can answer.

I was there.

Uh I was cashing out uh customers because that's what I usually do.

Um assuming well, what happened was that the customer came with uh a gentleman came with a girl with a young girl, assuming, and they got sat down.

The server um asked what you gonna drink.

You know, he didn't do what he was supposed to do.

The server?

The server.

And um when he came back with the drinks, uh they asked for the check, they left, and then after a little bit, the exile police officer came in.

And they're good at it.

What's your policy?

Policy says that you have to ask for an ID everybody.

We have one, and they have to assign it when they are uh when they're higher.

Um it says uh I can show it to you if you want me to.

Sure.

Um it's no this one's in Spanish and this one's in English.

Uh if they don't ask ID, they're gonna be trying to what happened with this server.

Was he fired?

Or he wants to find a train?

This is just um certified that he was uh took the training with us and he's supposed to be.

But he was a in order to serve alcohol, an employee must have a valid liquor license in the training required by the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission without exceptions.

The employee who does not ask for identification to verify the customer's age before serving alcoholic beverages will be fired immediately for not complying with the laws of the state of Indiana.

That's why we do it.

Thank you.

How long do you well how long has he held his license?

The gentleman?

Yeah.

Um the owner.

Yeah, whoever owns this thing.

Oh we have had the liquor license for 30 years.

How many violations do you have in 30 years?

Yes, one.

Just this one?

No, one before.

Ten years ago, what was it for?

The same thing.

Same thing?

Yeah.

But we do the training every year.

No every three years, every year to the restaurant.

And I I tell the servers every every week.

Like I always reminding them, you know, make sure you ask for your liquor license, make sure you ask for it.

And if they don't want to show you the ID, I'm sorry.

Some do get mad, some customers, and they leave, but do you do the training each year yourself or does Miss Barber do it for you?

Barbara, Miss Harper does it for you every year.

Before he's um they're uh excess police uh Esther.

Yes, no, no, no, no.

No, an officer did it.

I don't remember his name, I'm so sorry.

But he did the training for us too.

Okay.

Then Miss Art Miss Barber does it in Spanish.

Okay.

I don't have any questions.

I think you did a great job.

Thank you.

Uh any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good job.

Thank you.

Thank you.

J and J just won't be.

All right.

Calling RR4934837, J and J Promotional Group LLC doing business as fusion ultra lounge at 9439 East Washington Street.

Is that green light on on that mic?

It's not.

Just push that button.

No, right here.

On the microphone.

Would I get fusion from the last meeting?

It'll be under J.

Oh.

Well, let's get started here.

You wanna hear the attorney?

You want to introduce?

Thank you, sir.

Uh, attorney Terrence Kennard representing JJ promotional group LLC D food.

I'm sorry, before you go any further, was everyone sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

Uh she just I was it.

Okay, go ahead and raise your right hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you have given on your application or any answer you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Okay.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

No worries, thank you, ma'am.

Uh again, attorney Terrence can offer J and J Promotional Group, LLC, DBA Fusion Ultra Lounge at 94, well, formerly 94 39 East Washington Street Indian Office.

Um present, I brought before the board, uh, Mr.

Larry Jones, who was the who was the then owner proprietor of the fusion ultra lounge, um, along with Shelley, who is um taking over who have worked under the manager's questionnaire actually for uh fusion ultra lounge.

The facility is uh actually closed now.

Um their presentation to the board is that they want to address the violations that were filed back in 2024, uh, bringing the board up to current um speed with where the license would be standing, uh, but also letting the board know that the goal is to transfer the license to a new location, uh removing it from the previous location there on Washington Street.

A different location but same ownership, different ownership.

Uh the person uh who is working as under the manager's questionnaire uh is moving to take over the license.

Uh Mr.

Larry Jones will no longer be holding the license or the owner of the license.

In fact, he's moved to a different business uh in the downtown area where you actually hold a different uh when you say when you say the person holding the manager's questionnaire, you mean Shelley Branson and Michelle Moore.

That is correct.

I'm sorry.

Sometimes I just gotta catch up.

So you owned it.

Is that right?

Yes, sir.

You own it your name's on the license now.

Yes.

So the violation report I see was under your ownership, but you were the manager?

Well, one of them was so it was in the process of being transferred.

There was a transfer in to be transferred to S B, um, which would be Shelley Branson and Michelle Moore.

Okay.

Um, when the violation happened, it was the 1111 bar on East Washington Street with the shooting.

Um to be honest, I'm not really sure if what we're doing here, if the plan is still for the sounds like yeah, you just want to move the location and then have her take ownership of the license.

That is correct.

But she was there.

She was part of the group.

He owned it, but she was one of the managers.

That's correct.

When all this happened, yes.

Am I missing something?

No.

Just the up or down request to see if we're okay with that.

That is correct.

And then just one additional correction.

Um, and there's been discussion about the shooting that occurred at that location.

Uh, I think the board has the police amended report.

Uh, that shooting was not uh connected to the establishment itself while it occurred in the the general parking lot of all the businesses there, the individual they were not connected to the to the bar.

It happened in the parking lot, but you're telling me that no employees or patrons were involved in the shooting?

That is correct, and then there's a police report that speaks to that exact point.

Well, according to the report that I'm reading, it says the incident resulted from a fight that spilled out of the bar into the parking lot.

Six people were shot, which included an Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officer and the shooter who was declared deceased later at a local hospital.

We could go on into drugs and all kinds of other stuff too.

Yeah, it's a very very extensive report.

And ma'am, am I right?

Didn't you say there was gonna be a break?

Is this the one it was gonna be a brunch spot?

It was gonna be a brunch spot when you first came in here.

Uh it was gonna be a brunch spot, you were gonna turn it into, but then in that gap area, and it was all on video.

We got it on tape.

Yes.

Yeah, so did you say that?

I did not say that.

So then she said that.

So when were you gonna say?

Well, no, Michelle, that that's not true.

So when we did initially came and said she had said that um we were pertaining to the food itself, not so much as a what she said on her mouth.

It was a misunderstanding.

Well, she had said to you guys.

Well, I guess did not understand me, the verbiage for her.

I think what she's trying to say is Michelle, and I've spoken to Shelley when she said, and I wasn't here.

The question was, how is it going to be operated?

She said, you know, when it came to food, they were gonna be serving brunch style food, not that it'd be open from brunch hours from 11 to whatever.

She was meaning that they were serving that kind of food, is how it's presented to me.

Well, in addition to the fact that it wasn't operating during what we could consider brunch hours, you didn't even have the minimum food requirements, including things like milk and coffee, which I would think would be necessary for a brunch type menu.

And speak to that issue because we talked about that.

What was going on at that moment?

Um just was in wasn't informed on everything that we were as far as uh inventory go, went when they actually came in.

We didn't have some of the stuff that was required, had ran out of the some of the things that we had bought previously.

So that's that's what that what happened there.

And the board should know at the time as she was attempting to take over the license, this was her first business venture.

So a lot of things that were happening, she was learning OJT and right on the spot.

Since then, she has talked to other successful bar owners, uh, has gotten herself more acquainted with the rules.

Uh so she has educated herself over the past year and a half as to what needs to occur.

But I think it's important to note that at that time uh this was her first business venture.

She was striking out on her own uh and just did not have enough mentorship to understand certain things.

I have a question.

Were you also unaware at the time that marijuana is illegal in the state of Indiana?

Can I cannot allow smoking at marijuana or cigarettes inside your permit promise?

I I I did know that you cannot have marijuana inside of a stabishment.

Yeah.

So now going into you know, pursuing this new venture, what did you learn from the previous experience about do's and don'ts going into now this new experience?

What can we expect to see done differently?

Um the people that I allow come in, um just practice it more safe safety, um, making sure that I have everything that I'm supposed to have, running the business inventory-wise, um, making sure that I'm following all the rules across the board.

And if I may ask a couple questions on that.

Um Shelley, as we talked about it, one of the things I wanted you to talk to the board about is what's the age of the the minimum age that you're gonna allow to come into your establishment.

So I have um decided to go with the older, more mature crowd, 30 and up.

That's what I plan to do moving forward.

Second, when it comes to uh outside promoters, what's the rule on outside promotion?

I'm not gonna use a promoter at all.

And if someone um someone being one of your employees serve someone under 30 and or underage, what is the what is what happens to that employee?

Terminated immediately.

Immediately.

What about um security?

Security, I'm gonna have um security hire security companies.

Um making sure that I have adequate security.

And as we talked while I'm open every day.

And as we talked about security companies, you also have to make sure the security companies licensed and insured and bonded, correct?

Yes, yes, definitely.

Yeah.

I'll share one concern, and then I'll stop talking because I'm sure other people have things to share.

Um my concern comes from the fact that the last time, not the last time we saw you, because we've seen you a couple times trying to get this um hearing um together, but before when you came in, they recall you saying that it was going to be a branch establishment, maybe that was relayed wrong or whatever, but I know when we ask that question, how it's asked and the follow-up that's added to it.

So I'm a little confused on how that didn't get cleared up in the moment.

Um, but it happens because people come in and they say the business is gonna be one thing, but when that business is not profitable as that model, then that's when they expand it to what it is that we saw the promoters promoting four birthdays happening at the same time, excessive crazy things happening in the business, which then results in loss of human life, uh, which continues to be an issue across our city.

So I'm concerned that that was the experience before, and now we're sitting here today and we're being told a lot of stuff that's gonna change, but it's like what do we have to go off of to show that that's actually the case based off of previous experience.

If if I can address that question for the board one of the major things that um we we want to present to the board is the fact that she has gotten mentorship um I represent several other bars and restaurants who are her mentors um one is um Emily Minor at um the uh Northside Bar and Grill at 75th and Shayland they've never she's been uh part of that bar for 20 years they've never had a violation they've had issues at Northside Bar and Grill uh with security I disagree because I've been representing well I'm paying attention to what's happening in the news and it might have been under the last thing that it was called but they have absolutely had violent experience which she's not on call here but just out of curiosity I wanted to know who those mentors were and this they've had some issues.

Can I say something?

Well let me let me speak to that because that that's here and during my heart I've been representing it.

The one issue that they had that occurred in that parking lot where a local celebrity newscaster a radio person was injured that had nothing to do with the bar.

There was one other incident that happened in that parking lot the bar itself has had no connection to those incidents.

So I I but you see where I'm coming from right it's happening while there's nothing else in that plaza that's open except for the bar and what's happening on the parking lot I don't want to digress us too much so I'll just withdraw that question because I don't think it's generative for this conversation are going to get us anywhere please hear this in the full context but if we do take and we we won't take it out if we do take out the shooting there's still 19 violations here still drugs.

I mean you couldn't it this is one of those that makes you question what were they doing right because there's so many things going wrong um I may owe you an apology we shouldn't have gave you the license in the first place and that's that's that's part of me sitting in this chair.

So for that I look at that past vote and say I got that one wrong I don't know if I made the motion or not but there's no way I can uh support this license being transferred um I'll give you another couple you want to take some time and try to sway us but I'm yeah I think the board's there Mr we haven't heard from Mr Jones at all do you have anything you'd like to add um that area I operated fusion ultra lounge there for five years and it's the far east side it's a tough area and um going in with the experience level that she had you know I tried to you know talk to her a few times but I'd like to take note that at the time she had a partner and that partner is no longer involved with what she's doing because when we went through and I told her I was gonna help her fight back and try and get the license back I was like so what same as you like so what's going to change and I you know explained to her okay this is where you went wrong um she had a manager and she had other people running her business for her and because she has other businesses she's in the home health care industry and she does very well with that so she had other people running her businesses and I kind of wanted to emphasize to her that from my own personal experience you have to be hands on.

You have to be there like especially when you're getting started like it's not something that you can just buy open up and then hire a bunch of people and then go to sleep at night like you have to be there especially during those late night hours so you know there's things that I believe that she's learned and there was some things going on with her previous partnership that may have added to some of the issues that they had as far as their business model and what she wanted to do as opposed to what they wanted to do.

So now she's able to finally break away from that old partnership and do what it is that she wants to do on her own.

So once again I'm you know I'm not affiliated with the business at all I was literally selling to them but just over the past couple years you know because of the incident me of her been kind of joined at the hip in this process so we've talked and you know so I believe that she definitely is you know uh a good person she has a good heart and a lot of the stuff that was going on in there had to do with other people doing what they wanted to do because it's not their money it's not their business it's not their investment she invested she purchased the business from me and you know she put hard earned money into it and I just feel bad that you know she just lost it the way she did and um never really had the opportunity to execute her vision and her dream.

She invested, she purchased the business from me, and you know, she put hard-earned money into it, and I just feel bad that you know she just lost it the way she did, and um never really had the opportunity to execute her vision and her dream.

Oh do you have do you have any responsibility in what happened?

Do you feel like you have any responsibility in what happened?

Absolutely not.

Um, when that uh when that occurred, we were under the manager's agreement, and I had fully uh disassociated myself from that uh place, the sign was down, it was a different sign, and I'm not trying to say that to say that, but I didn't know at all what was going on.

Um at the time, you know, I was building my next business.

I was on to my next venture, and I didn't know anything that was going on there.

I wasn't aware of 19 violations until you know, because my name is on some of this stuff because the the uh the permit was not all the way approved, but they were operating under the manager's agreement, so you know I was blown away.

I was like, you know, really, you know, but you know, she once again has understood that you can't let other people come in and do what they want to do in your business.

You have to be hands on.

The same thing would apply to you because at the time it was still your permit.

The only way they were allowed to operate was with your approval to allow them to use your permit.

And yet you didn't know anything was going on.

I mean, it was still your responsibility up until if the transfer was completed.

So I would have to disagree with you and say you do have shared responsibility in this.

Ma'am, I wasn't aware of any of the violations because the violations weren't coming to me, the violations were going to them, so I wasn't there present for it.

I didn't realize all this happened over a very short period of time.

I didn't realize that there was all that going on till we went to court, and you know, I was like I said, I was like, wow, you know, in five years that I had fusion, I think they came in and found a cigarette butt, and I I had one violation, like I had no clue that what was occurring there was occurring there, and a lot of the stuff just her telling me, and I I'm not validating that she's telling me the honest truth because I don't know I wasn't there, but she was unaware of a lot of the stuff that was going on, and that's why she, as she told me, disassociated herself from her former business partner and chose to, you know, relocate and come up with her own model.

But yes, you're right, and that's why I'm here today, and that's why my attorney is here with me today because I understand my accountability and that that stuff did come on me, but at the time that it was occurring, I had no idea, ma'am, that it was it was happening because none of the paperwork was coming to me, and by the time the paperwork did get to me, the damage was already done.

It's easy to blame the I I just would say it's easy to blame the person that's not sitting here.

And if I I remember correctly, you were sitting there right along that right along her, and if we were to go back and pull that testimony, you were both sitting there telling us it's going to be a brunch place, it's going to be this, we're gonna do this, and the all those statements were false.

But go ahead, tell me what you want to say when it was almost at the end of the recording.

If you can go back and listen to it, um, the questions that we were asked, and when she said this was gonna be a brunch spots in my mind, it came across my mind, but I'm not thinking that it was gonna go in that direction as far as uh how it was brought out, like yes, this is gonna be a brunch spot, like the as far as brunch hours.

I wasn't thinking that at all.

Our original plan was to operate it as a bar, not a brunch spot.

Well, you know, deciding that whether it was ran as a brunch spot or a bar or what have you.

The point is the reason why we're sitting here right now is because we have 19 violations.

20, 20, excuse me, 20 violations, including an IMP IMPD officer being shot, somebody losing their life, and all manner of recklessness and chaos.

That's the reason why we're sitting here, not because it was a brunch and it decided to be shifted over to a different model.

That's why we're sitting here.

Being able to procure and hold a liquor license is a privilege.

And it just feels like when we have situations like this that people don't take that as seriously, and they don't think about the fact that when these venues are open and you allow certain behaviors to persist, you're not paying attention to what's happening in the business.

People aren't holding themselves accountable is when we end up with these situations.

And it's like we all see the news, we hear the news, and at some point we have to we have to do what it is that we have to do and hold ourselves accountable to the role here to approve or deny it.

But at this point, I think we just need to go ahead and move to that.

With that, uh I'll make a motion to deny.

And it's just based on the track record that we had.

You know, it gave you the opportunity the first time.

This is where it ended up.

There's a lot of uh scenarios that are maybe the driving factor behind that, but ultimately these are the results.

That's what we did with the opportunity we gave, and uh I can't I can't find a spot for a second opportunity.

So for that I make a motion to deny.

I was second that motion.

Uh there's a motion for denial, a second, all those in favor say aye.

Aye aye.

Thank you for your time.

And have a good week.

So you know that um again, this uh board has voted to deny your application today.

It will go to the state commissioned, uh, they'll make the ultimate decision on the 18th.

And they may do one of three things either uphold our denial, overturn our denial, or remand it back to us.

You will be notified of their decision, and you will have the opportunity to appeal if you choose to do so.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any reasons for the board members?

Uh 905 IAC 1271, 1272, 1273, public nuisance, criminal offenses, the permit process.

All three.

All three are just gonna be the criminal offenses.

I will go with public nuisance and criminal offenses.

And I will go to those as well.

It's and I will also because the plan is still to transfer it to one of the owners from SB.

I will also add character because of the previous lies.

They purchased themselves before.

Yeah.

We spent too much time on that one.

That was much easier than we made it.

Um, all right, let's go here.

Calling RR 499 3208, the Mucky Duck Pub LLC doing business as the Mucky Duck at 4425 Southport Crossings Way.

Go.

It's a great name.

Is it still morning?

Yeah, it's still morning.

A little bit.

Were you all sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

I don't believe Ms.

Powell was.

Go ahead and raise your right hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear from under the penalty penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or any answers that might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

Okay.

Amy, I mean you go ahead, Clark.

That was almost bad.

Thank you.

Oh gosh.

Yes.

Oh, no, I haven't.

I was just gonna say I'm gonna have you start, and then I'll read through and catch up here.

Clark, we'll let you start.

Sure.

Thanks.

Uh Clark Kirkman with Clark Quinn Law on behalf of the Mucky Duck.

Um with me is the owner, Todd Johnson, who has owned the mucky duck for about 15 years.

Also his uh new manager, Ms.

Samantha Powell.

Um, Todd owns not just the license, but also the building and the property.

Um, very invested in the area, cares about it.

He's no stranger to this board.

He's been in the industry since the 1990s and owns walk-ons and other establishments.

Um, if you don't know where Mucky Duck is, it's uh uh off I-65 at Southport Road, situated on a pond.

It's got kind of a Jimmy Buffett um Florida vibe to it, patio.

Um, we're here today.

We recently settled a um violation uh related to police run activity, um settled for a thousand dollar civil penalty.

Um wasn't for any particular incident with excise.

Um you say it was or wasn't it was not okay.

Um but you know, we so we've met with XIS, we've met with uh ATC prosecutor, we've met with IMPD in the you know previous weeks and months, and you know, working with them, a decision was made to quickly settle this and move forward um and ask this board for a one-year renewal.

You know, this was their first violation um since 2021.

And Todd can tell you a little bit more about um, you know, what kind of led to this, but he's recently gone through a bitter divorce, and he was relying on on a manager that was there to you know run the operation while he was really tending to his family issues.

He sort of splits time between Indy and Florida.

Um so that that manager's gone, and and Ms.

Powell, who has been, you know, in his employee for a long time is has been promoted to um manager.

Um and Todd's been in the in the past um you know, since the since the early summer, he's been very active at the at the premises, uh coming in um constantly, and I can report that you know we've got the the police runs in the past four months have been zero.

Okay, we've we've we've you know made necessary corrections.

And um we worked with again with IMPD and with XIS and the prosecutor.

We had a meeting a couple weeks ago related to their designation on the pace program, and I wanted to just highlight a couple things that I I passed out.

Um this letter, this top uh letter is from the ATC prosecutor kind of memorializing that meeting.

In the letter he noted that you know, we we come with with a list of suggestions um that we that we like to see uh businesses implementing when when we work with them, and what he wrote was and I highlighted, you know, we were encouraged that you and your staff had already made a number of the suggested changes.

So um, and I I don't think I'm putting anyone's any words in anyone's mouth.

I said it was a very positive meeting, it was very thorough.

Um and you know, there was it was a good collaborative discussion at the at the mucky duck.

Um that's sort of kind of is reflected in this other document that I have included, which is an email from prosecutor Wignall, where you know he he indicated that we're hopeful things will continue to improve and specifically said you know, with their new policies and procedures in place, I would anticipate them being successful.

So, you know, in his mind clarify in this email, uh the officer says that he's going to respectfully deny the request to dismiss the pending violation.

Can you illuminate what that is for us?

That's the proxy.

So the AC prosecutor.

The agency prosecutor, thank you.

Yeah, so I I I asked the Drew, you know, um, we're working with him on pace.

We've had a screw the so that's Andrew.

Andrew Ignol, yeah, ATC prosecutor.

I I asked him in our settlement discussions to dismiss the violation, and that's him saying, no, we we want something on the record to reflect what's gone on.

We anticipate that going forward you will be successful.

That's that's what that email says.

Is that the August 13, 2025?

We've got a violation report that says here August 13th, 2025, August 14th.

That's correct.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, so that's that's the one violation that we're here on.

Um so just some of the things that we have done.

You know, we we have we have changed the hours significantly, and we're we're closing at midnight Monday through Thursday now, and on Friday and through Sunday, we're closing the doors at 1.30, and everyone's out by two.

Um, we've made I also uh included a corrective action plan in the packet that I that I passed out to you all that that's on file with the alcohol and tobacco commission.

Um noting that you know we we've got the off-duty law enforcement uh on regular rotation.

We we did have to replace our security team, and Todd can explain, you know, how he handles the security, but basically there's you know there's someone checking IDs, there's someone also watching at the entrance, and then we've got someone at the bar watching for any signs of intoxication or you know, and just making sure that everyone's getting carded every time.

Um customers are wanted, bags are searched, you know, no no weapons or contrabands getting into the the bar.

Um, like I said, we fired the manager and and some of the other people on the management team.

Um Todd's also um bought he's invested in a in a type of ID scanner that um it creates a ban list and he's actually and that this was uh noted at an ATC meeting when we filed the corrective action plan, but so he's actually tried to engage other neighborhood bars in the area to purchase the same scanner because it can actually you you can actually share your ban list with other bars.

Um so he's engaged other places in the area to to try and kind of create a pool of people that we just don't want in the area.

Um that's still a work in progress in getting the other bars to to invest, um, but that's something that he's taken on of his own volition.

Um we have a no in and out policy that's strictly enforced, and most importantly, you know, all employees are are on strict notice that the zero tolerance policy for any um violations of the Indi Indiana's alcoholic beverage laws.

All right.

With that I think we're ready to hear from you.

Uh good morning.

Uh basically, period, holding a liquor license in the state of Indiana is a privilege.

It's not a right.

100%.

And it comes with great responsibility.

And I failed.

Not my managers, not my staff, not a blue moon.

It was me.

And I take one hundred percent responsibility for that.

The buck stops with me.

I got over six hundred employees.

I want to make sure that everybody's taken care of.

But my thing is if I do something silly or allow things to happen, it's not culpability, it wasn't because I didn't know about it or something like that.

I should have been more attentive, period, 100%.

Okay, this isn't this isn't playing around with all the things we see in the news and all the things on the blotter.

Um again, police runs are unacceptable, um, especially in that volume.

And uh if things would have been run the way that I normally run, I've came back in, I fired all my management staff, fired all my security staff.

We don't allow any weapons on the property, we don't allow weapons on our security staff.

We don't use third party security staff, they're all employees of ours.

They're insured through me.

So we don't have a thing saying, Oh, it wasn't my fault, it was the third party guy did it.

It's always somebody else's fault.

Nope, it's on me.

All fingers point back to me.

I've been doing this since 1991.

I take it as a privilege to be able to make money this way.

Yes, I went through a pretty horrific divorce.

Um I am raising a uh uh now eleven year old son.

Um, but he understands I've got to be up here more, and I am up here more.

I can show you the flight tickets.

I'm up here every other weekend.

No, actually every weekend right now, to make sure everything is high and tight and done properly.

Instead of going out and hiring a third party and a resource group and a consultant and all this other nonsense, I promoter within.

I I bought in Sam, Sam's with me 14 years.

Um she was whispering my ear as a couple of my other people have been with me 13, 12 years saying, Hey, um things are going off rails.

I'd speak to someone and they said, No, they're not everything's great.

We have a DSR every night.

A DSR is a daily sales report that comes to me saying, Hey, a toilet got broken.

This isn't right, the air conditioners are working.

We throw a person out, the police were called, a slip and fall.

This is why.

That all goes from there that's then submitted into an accident report and a and a file.

We do all these things.

Those parameters were not being taken care of.

And I, being foolish, reading those, should have known three months in a place that has the main humans that go through mucky duck should have known something happened other than oh, everything's great, boss, everything's great.

What is your capacity?

I don't know, sure.

I've never been there.

How big is it?

Um outside the outside patio is around 600 standing room during COVID, it was pretty packed.

Um we've got uh a pub and then we have a catering facility on the end.

Um so all in probably big thousand.

Big space.

Are there times where all of those spaces are activated at the same time?

Yes, miss.

When we have like a class reunion on a Saturday evening, but it's a separate entrance and exit over on that side.

Every exit we have um staff, we have around 12 security staff on a Friday or Saturday evening watching every entrance and exit.

Um it upsets them, especially with a new ID system that every time you walk outside to the car, they have to present their ID again um every time because if you go out to the car, you may get a weapon, you may get drugs, you may get more booze, you may do pills, you may do something ill-willed.

Um you can go outside once or twice to use the phone because it may be loud or whatever, or smoke a cigarette outside.

That's understandable, but other than that, no.

Um people are like, Oh, he's okay, I I know him, he just left.

I don't care.

And I'm standing at the door every weekend, I've got tapes to show it.

And I'm trying to educate and explain to them how how it works.

Um it's a small city when it's full go.

So you need to have all the entrances and exits uh watched.

Yeah.

Were the violations in the the pub area?

Were they taking place in the catering area?

Is there a question?

It was the game room area, sir.

There's the um the game room area.

Um I used to have an area that was a club, and same thing happened.

I was I was living in Fort Myers at the time, and the club went off the rails.

Uh, it got you know crazy.

Uh had promoters trying to come in and do that, and I've had I I don't apply promoters, but they were just letting people do whatever they wanted to do.

We closed it.

I turned into a scraped it, closed it for six months and reopened it as a Dave and Busters type of concept.

Um But then what happened was management decided it'd be a good idea to let's bring some DJs in there and play hip hop and trap and have some fun stuff for the kids.

And again, you're talking about pool balls, pool sticks, people playing games, getting heated up um, and that's where that was most of the runs came from that.

And I I heard that from IMPD when they told me what the runs were from.

So we've we pulled all the DJs out.

Um the DJs that we do play are playing like 70s and 80s and retro, Ike and Jonesy stuff, that kind of vibe to it.

I forgot we're also going to a country appeal.

Um we're gonna bring in a country night and then probably spread that out and probably convert one of the rooms into a country room.

Yeah, I want to offer um because we've had all different genres uh come in that have violations.

So you know, the music, I just want to, you know, offer that it's more than just the music that's being played because there are places that are playing hip hop music that don't have issues.

Correct.

There are places that are playing a honky talk that do have issues.

Yes, ma'am.

So just you know, taking that into account.

Um, but the thought around the security and things like that is what's crucial.

If you can control your door, you can control your inside.

Yeah, that's it, 100%.

I agree with that.

And and she has we've lightened up our our uh music choices and whatnot.

Again, I've I've had clubs at Sunny First and Michigan Road, so I get exactly what you're saying.

I had less cop runs than what I had in this uh 19 month stretch.

And again, it's my fault.

Related to music, um so one thing that actually one one thing that um we talked about at the the meeting with IMPD and um and excise and the prosecutor.

Uh so some years ago, um Todd used to have you know, kind of like Florida Jimmy Buffett type music out on the patio, and that there were issues with a with a hotel nearby and potentially a covenant, and actually um Detective Maston um said that she was going to look into where things are with that, and if and you know, if we can get past that because we we all believe that you know, if we could have some nice music um during the daytime, you know, we're talking about like dinner time type type hours, um, that that could be a real positive for um you know for the business going forward.

So um I'm gonna be I'm working with her on on trying to clear that up and see if we can get it.

So trying to avoid any like noise violations with the hotel for the directors or the funniest part about this whole thing is funny to you.

The person who who actually brought this to everyone's attention is my wife's aunt.

And so I need to work with hers.

A little bit of if you do a Google search of Mucky Duck, I know you probably have been on the property.

You you may have, but I am unfamiliar with it until today.

Okay, yeah.

Aerial view of we have three football fields of concrete as our patio.

Shit.

It's massive, pretty big, it's massive.

And we have picnic tables set up, and I'm friends with the people on Captive Island uh Mucky Duck as well.

So we try and bring that kind of vibe.

You can bring your dogs, you can hang out, enjoyable during the day.

And we used to have like a Jimmy Buffett guy from the reciprocal stuff with Irish cabins out of Key West and some really good entertainers would come and they bring their dog, they'd play music, and it was amazing.

And it was like sun sundown music, and you know, talk of the bass stuff.

So that went away.

Um, and we had no hotels involved in the violation.

They all they all were great with us, but they took that away.

And so then what happens is you have a dead spot after after work about five o'clock until late evening.

No one wanted to sit in the patio because there's nothing to really do except have a couple of eats, and and it it changed the demographic of the club.

Uh like not demographic, but like the age.

It got to be a lot younger crowd.

So it took away, and she can vi vouch for that because she's been there since almost day one.

Yeah, yeah.

I I'm actually familiar with this.

I grew up on the south side.

I can tell you at one point.

I have a lot of friends that still live on the south side that used to go there a lot that don't want to go there anymore.

No, they're afraid to go there.

Right.

And I I've known Todd professionally for a long time.

He's been a great business owner in the city.

So this, you know, is surprising to me.

I know, and I apologize.

Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head by taking accountability, taking responsibility, um, because so many businesses that come in here have that similar story, like they started out with one concept, maybe the management started to get a little loose, less guardrails around stuff, and then you look up and it literally they're an organism, so it's it just takes on a life of its own doing whatever um and just kind of allowing things to slip that shouldn't slip.

So one of the concerns, a couple of the concerns I have specifically in the report, it talks a lot about IMP dealing with intoxicated people.

Correct.

And um also there's several mentions of employees fighting with patrons, terminated.

So can you talk a little bit more about how that's going to be handled?

How has that changed?

Why we shouldn't expect to see those issues anymore?

Correct, 100%.

Perfect question.

Uh two gentlemen that thought that they were UFC fighters, thought that they were uh MMA guys.

One actually went to Thailand for three months to train professionally and came back.

Um, and I explained to the manager that this guy's a hothead, and I we do a lot of de-escalation, um, talking.

I'm not the largest human in the world, and I'm also gonna be 60 years old this week and I can talk humans out of uh m most anything if it's coming to conflict, and these guys were quick to rip their shirts off and be silly.

And you know, once I reviewed some of the tapes when I heard that from the police reports, uh they were terminated immediately.

And again, going forward, the more important thing is training the staff.

Um the guys I got now, Big Jeff and uh Anthony's been with me.

They've been in other fields and other places they came in with seasoned seasoned veterans.

I had a consultant wanted to hire a third party.

I said, No, I don't want a third party because that's again, you get off the rails, they're just like promoters.

Oh, and our fault they're walking around with SWAT jackets and AR strapped to their back.

That's not what I want.

I work with IMPD.

It has been difficult to get the IMPD guys because they're in over time and whatnot.

So that at times can be a struggle.

Um we're controlling the the flow at the door, and we also make everybody go back through and do all the surf safes and keep it very high and tight on that.

Because I said over serving someone is questioned is egregious in its own respect, but being a hot hit is adding fuel to the fire.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um do you guys have any further questions?

You taking accountability matters to me.

Um, but maybe more so is our partners at the ATC and their their language.

Uh I don't know if it's in here, but did you said one year?

Was that written in the case?

Yeah, I said I think that's where we go.

I don't know if that was the prosecutor's idea or I heard you say that at the beginning, but that's where I land.

Uh your accountability, our partner's on the other side of the Washington Street.

Um I'm comfortable making a motion for a one-year renewal.

Is there a second?

I was second for the same reasons.

Uh that definitely spoke volume.

Without that, it would have probably been a different story, but second that motion to appear.

Aye.

Aye.

I very hesitantly.

Okay.

Aye.

I could go either way right now.

Um again, I I know you've been in this business for a long time.

You've run a lot of ours.

We haven't had these issues before from your other locations.

So I'm gonna put some faith into you, Todd, that you're gonna get things back under control, and that um you know we're not going to see you again.

I appreciate it for these problems.

Um so with that, the board's approved a one-year renewal for you.

Um, if we have any violations within the next year, I think I can speak for the board and say it will be a denial.

Okay.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you for your time.

I appreciate it as well.

Thank you.

Calling RR 49314 Corporation DOS Incorporated, doing business as Takare, McKay, 3920 North High School Road.

I didn't get that.

Help me with the name of your business.

It's definitely a nail.

All right, let me find your violation.

Amy take off with who you want.

Well, let's start with who you are and your relationship to the business.

My name is Rocillo, I'm the owner.

Owner?

Okay.

Were you both sworn in at the beginning of the meeting?

I wasn't.

Okay, go ahead and raise your hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or the answers you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Okay.

There are two violation reports for this one.

Okay.

Ma'am, do you know understand why you're here?

So you've received two violations from XIS during your renewal period, correct?

Yes.

Okay.

Were you there for either of the violations?

No.

You were not there.

Umager that runs the location?

Yes.

Okay.

How often are you there?

I'm never often because I have another location that I'm running to.

Okay, so you've got two locations, two restaurants.

But were you familiar with what happened?

Have you okay?

So tell us what happened.

What were the violations?

The policy at the end of the day.

Um, is one of the one I was related to the patio?

Uh she's not really sure how she got a relation for that, how how that came about.

Okay.

So part of the application process, you submit floor plans to the commission, and then I come out and I approve those floor plans.

Any changes or alterations to those floor plans must be approved by me prior to you using those.

And you changed your floor plan without getting any approval, and that's why you got the violation for the floor plan.

Okay.

So it's okay, yeah, for example.

So yeah, so whoever helped it at that time doesn't made the renewal application, that's her fault because she didn't say anything related to the new patio.

The addition to it.

But it was brought to your it was it was brought to your attention that that floor that that uh amended, you know, addition to the building, it was brought to your attention that it wasn't approved and you needed to contact Officer Sunier to have an invest uh um an inspection take place.

But then you have another violation because you continued on using it and serving alcohol there without getting that taken care of.

So that's where the second violation comes from.

So the inspection.

And the patio.

But was she never contacted to come and inspect it?

That's what the report says.

I'm gonna look and see I don't recall it off the top of my head.

Yeah, so the first violation is in November of 2023.

Um for the no smoking sign, and it also talks about that area that was being used, and then an officer came back April of this year and asked about it again, and the employee said it had just been used for a Mother's Day party where alcohol was served, and it still hadn't gone through the proper channels of being approved by XIS.

I had so I did come in after that second violation.

I came in May 22nd and approved the new space.

Okay, so it's approved now.

It has been approved.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what she was saying that somebody came back and approved it.

But that was after the you after she'd received the violation.

The first one.

The second two.

After the second violation.

Yes.

Okay.

So the la primera violation, but she was confused regarding the first violation.

She didn't know exactly what she needed to do, or she just really didn't do anything about it until the second violation, I guess.

So going forward, you understand if you make any changes to your floor plan, whether you expand it, you add on, you move walls, you add a bar, you remove a bar, any of those things, you have to have approval from me prior to going forward.

Okay.

Okay.

She she she knows now after that.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

No.

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Um I'll make a motion to approve.

Yes.

Okay, got it.

Motion and a second, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

All right.

Calling RR4932694 Greeks College LLC doing business as Greeks Pizzeria.

4901 North College Avenue Suite 2.

Oh, Greeks Panther.

Hey Pop.

What's your name?

I'm sorry?

What's your name?

Mike Vandor.

And what's your relationship to the business, Mike?

I'm an owner.

Do you know why you're here?

Uh yeah, I was gonna ask if you were sworn in.

Were you sworn in?

I'm sorry.

Were you here when I swore everyone in?

No, ma'am.

I got here a little late.

Alright.

Raise your right hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear or from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or any answers you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Alright, sorry about that.

Um, do you know why you're here?

Uh the um pull tab machine permit had had lapsed.

Okay.

So you had one at one point.

Yes.

Permit.

All right.

Is that it?

That's it.

Let's see.

It's my first violation in 20 years.

Um there are a couple other things that the officers found when they were there.

I'm sorry?

There were a couple other issues that the officers found when they were there, in addition to the gaming piece.

Um appears that you had some issues with employee permits and records of employee permits.

That's because the the gentleman at the time didn't realize that we had the permits in the drawer.

So they were there.

So the gentleman meaning who?

Uh the the manager at the time didn't realize and they didn't ask me about it, so I would have told them that we had them in the drawer.

Were you there at the time when this violation occurred?

No, ma'am.

How many locations do you have?

I'm sorry?

How many locations do you have?

Uh three.

You have three locations.

So you have managers at each of those locations?

Yes.

So who's responsible?

Or owners.

Four owners?

Or or ownership.

Okay.

So whose responsibility is it to make sure that the training records are current and not.

That would be me.

Yes.

How do you do that now?

Moving forward.

You just had a violation.

It was paperwork as administrative.

Yeah, I do.

I have a lady that does my um permit stuff, lets me know that stuff has come up.

She admittedly said, hey, I forgot all about this uh the gaming portion of it, and but it just kind of could the machine was also down for quite a long time, and so it just kind of slipped through the cracks to be able to do that.

Well, the officer bought pool tabs.

Yes, ma'am.

It it had been down for a while, then got back operational.

So it had it been repaired.

It had been repaired, yes.

It had been repaired.

Yes, but no one was aware that the license had transpired by about four years.

I had just like I said, it had slipped through the cracks for me.

For four years.

Yeah, because we hadn't been using it.

So we just got it fixed and it's part of the gaming, it's like the main board.

Okay.

It just says no flares displayed, and I'm not used to that phrase.

Um look and see.

Did you do you have a valid gaming license now?

I'm just gonna look and see.

A valid what?

I'm sorry.

Gaming permit?

You can't get the valid gaming permit until the alcohol renewal occurs.

Settled.

Do you have plans to get to renew that?

Yes, but I can't get that until the process.

What are you going to do differently to ensure that you're following all the rules for the gaming piece?

Well, obviously stay on top of it.

I mean, yeah, but just tell us how do you think that's what you're doing.

Tell us how it's easy to say.

What are the details?

Yeah, I mean, um, like I said, I have a woman who normally handles this, and um it like I said, fell through the cracks with this.

So start there.

So was she the same person who was supposed to take over it the first time?

Yes.

So then what happened to her?

Uh she she's the one who has been taking care of it moving forward to get things back in order and everything else.

So we have to I thought you just said you were the one responsible for the well.

I mean, she's uh how do I she's not an employee.

No, she's this she works for uh a firm that handles this kind of thing, Tylee Dyer Dyer and Meeks.

They they she's she does permits full time.

This is what she does is run around and deal with people's permits and getting them renewed, and you sign the paper, send in the check, and she deals with filing and and dropping it off and that kind of thing.

So you have a preparer now that's handling all of your removal.

A preparer, yes.

She's a pr she's been a preparer for years for us.

So and sh she's going to contact you when things are ready to be renewed.

Yeah, but I can also, you know, obviously the permit hangs, so you know, just seeing it on the wall and realizing that it it hadn't that it had lapsed.

So and how about employee permits?

How we how are you gonna make sure that those how do your employees now know where they're at and that whether you're there or not?

Yeah, I obviously let everybody know, but I wish they would have said something to me at the time, like, oh, they're asking about these, and I would have gone, well, yeah, they're in the drawer here underneath the money.

So I was kind of surprised that he didn't know that, to be honest with you.

How long have you had the license?

How long have I had the alcohol license?

Yeah, at this location for nine years.

Nine years, how many violations do you have?

Zero.

That's the first one.

Yeah.

All right.

The argument's not that strong though, that the lady that I had doing it didn't do it, but now I'm still gonna use that lady to do it.

Well, understand what you're saying.

She's she's been reliable for 20 years or whatever, you know.

Like there's what I'll I mean.

Any further questions from the board?

No.

Nine years.

No violations, I mean, besides this.

And this is a they're all bad.

Um but it's a it's a permit type of bad.

It's it's just somebody not taking care of the business side of the business.

The you know, so with that being said, um I mean I'm comfortable.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Uh we'll see what they say.

I'll second.

Uh with the thought that you just definitely have to pay attention to this.

I'm sorry, though.

That you definitely have to pay attention to this.

Yeah.

Because at the end of the day, if it happens again, like you're gonna be the one coming in here to deal with it, and it won't.

It probably will not be as positive of a conversation if it's a repeat it.

Sure, I understand.

All right.

Uh motion to approve, second.

All those in favor say aye.

I motion carries.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Good point.

One time.

Yeah.

Two.

All right.

R R 4932859, Indianapolis Burn LLC doing business as burned by Rocky Patel at 49 West Maryland Street.

Nobody here for that one.

All right.

I've never even heard of that boy.

It's uh attached to the mall.

It's the cigar bar sits like there on the corner.

I'll show continue to this will be their second.

We'll get calling RR 49395 Luciana's Mexican Restaurant and Cantina Corporation doing business as Luciana's Mexican restaurant cantina at 3716 East 82nd Street.

All right.

All right.

Greg, would you like to introduce your client?

Sure.

So Sarah Bravo, the owner of Luciana's.

Miss Bravo.

Um do you know why you're here?

Were you sworn in?

Yes, I was.

All right.

Do you know why you're here?

I do.

Why?

We had an employee serve a minor um back in April.

Okay.

Yeah.

How long have uh how long have you had your license?

Um it's been nine years.

Nine years.

How many violations do you have?

This is the first one.

What's your policy on checking IDs?

We check everyone under 40.

And then what happened to the employee?

He was sent home on um for a week, and then he was also when he was back back on, he was re um educated, and we took that opportunity to have all the employees as well re-educated.

Um, and then we will do that again in six months after that.

So coming up on it.

Do you have a written policy for servers?

What's the policy state?

We it states that they would be terminated or evaluated on case-by-case basis.

Um they required to ID everyone or everyone forty and under.

Okay, so it's your first violation.

Here's what I'll tell you.

Um they come back, right?

They went in, they caught somebody not doing what the policy said, so they're coming back.

Um, but you've had a successful braun and don't cause us a lot of problems.

So uh any further questions from you?

That retraining that you said it's gonna happen again in six months.

Is that now your new uh standard?

So every six months you go through a refresher with everybody?

Yes.

We also are looking into a company to come in and do an additional training for them, maybe an excise officer or something as you know, that concept because they don't always take it seriously from us, but if an officer comes in and re-evaluates that could have you thought of secret shoppers, send somebody in.

True.

Check them on your own.

It's a good idea.

Okay.

Uh with no further questions, I'll accept a motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Okay, we did J.

Calling R R 4935 853.

I don't know.

The corner, the corner bar at 5506 South Meridian Street.

LLC.

What is it?

R Mama Donna's.

Mama Donna, I wasn't even gonna try.

Our Mama Donald's.

All right.

I'm Mama Donna.

Got it, got it.

Were you sworn in?

Yes, yeah, you were the first one.

Yeah, you've been here all day.

Um, okay, could you please identify yourself and your relationship to the business?

Uh Donna Coffee, I'm the owner.

Alex Tabarelli, I'm the manager.

All right.

Do you know why you're here?

Yes.

What?

Over serve violation.

A what?

Over serving violation.

Oh, all right.

Tell us about that.

Uh we had a group of six people out on the patio in May.

Uh I didn't get there until the four o'clock shift change.

We sh switched shifts at four.

Uh one of the girls during the day had already served them, cashed them out.

The night girl went to serve them.

Uh shouldn't have, but then um kind of escalated from there.

They had a woman with them that had not had anything to drink.

It came from the racetrack.

It was the month of May, and she had fell in the front room.

So we had gone out.

I had gone out to the patio and said they had to have her leave.

We offered her coffee.

Uh I told the girl then that she had to cash them out, they couldn't have anything more to drink.

I went back in and then it escalated.

The server actually came and had so got you uh because there was an incident.

I was not on duty at the time.

I'm the night manager.

Donna was in and out during the day that day.

Um those people had come in, she was not there, like she said.

Um the night server came in after they were the day servers cashed them out.

The night server came in, served them.

Um that lady fell.

Jody then came and got Donna and said there's an incident on the patio.

That's when Donna went out and said, give her coffee, water, she's has to go.

Um Donna then cut everybody else off.

Yeah, they paid their tabs when they proceeded to leave.

One of the gentlemen decided to the back of our patio and urinated in front of the entrance of our patio.

That's when our night manager um went over to him and told him he couldn't do that.

Um and then his buddy that was with him uh proceeded to berate Brian, and that's when the police were called.

Um there was a whole incident um with that.

And I think uh subsequently, officer, you may I think when they came in there was some paperwork issues too, I think.

I just want to make sure we know that.

Yeah, there's no paperwork issues, um please yeah, uh perjury for a disclosure, yeah.

The failure to disclose a criminal conviction for Michael Coffee.

That was oh, that's my husband.

Has that been is he a man is he an owner on the yes has that been fixed?

Has that been submitted?

Well it was it was when your officers came back out to give us the NOV, I believe he they said that they did see it on there swallowing.

They did see it on there?

Pretty sure he said that.

Let me look.

That he went back and they looked.

There was another officer that was involved that is no longer there.

I'm pretty sure he said that, but I just pulled up their names.

Yeah, because it was Jeff Lang back in the day, and then now it's uh because that's when we were also told about our floor plan.

Yeah.

That was my husband, I think.

I believe it was a DUI, but like 40, 50 years ago.

It doesn't disqualify him.

Yeah, I wasn't married to him at the time, but I I didn't, yeah, I don't know what but it still has to be disclosed.

I can't imagine it wasn't.

Well, it wasn't.

Okay, I know I'm no, I I'm I believe you, but I've held a labor.

I thought when the officers came out, they had told us that, but then they went back and they looked and they saw some.

I don't I I can't be 100% sure.

I'm looking on that.

Because when they came back out, we had corrected everything according to him.

According to my head.

So on the initial application, the question is asked, have any individuals with an interest in this permit been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor, and it's checked no on the application from back in 2019.

Let me see if there was and then you're required to attach the criminal history.

So I want to see if maybe the criminal history got attached.

No.

There's also something with the manager.

So on another piece of the paperwork, Donna was listed as the only manager and nobody else.

But then you have Brandon Yeage.

Right.

Brian Yeege, who at the time of the violation was you know, expressed that he's a manager and worked as a manager, but he wasn't listed on that paperwork.

Correct.

I don't think I was either.

We were we were informed when the officers came in.

We something that's all been submitted all that.

So it's been submitted since then.

To her, yeah.

Donna mailed it.

And I emailed the floor plan to there is a manager's questionnaire in here.

Should be four.

It should be three.

Three.

See, there's we'll see.

The problem is it's not very I certified mailed them as a matter of fact to you.

Okay, so let me see.

And the floor plan.

And then excise came back out and within 30 days and then revisited everything.

And okay, so I've got a manager's questionnaire.

Oops.

For Brian Yeage.

Alexander.

Jan.

And Daniel.

Is that accurate?

Okay.

Um not seeing an updated floor plan.

I'll have to go in your email because they sent it from your email.

It's in my email to her.

I even copied the officers that were into swallows, too.

That's right.

Officer swallows.

That's it.

It's under your email.

Send from your meeting.

Yes, our Mama Donna.

It's our Mama Donna at ALL dot com.

It was done on October 2nd of 25.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I have so apparently.

My email was messed up when you sent it, and one of the officers sent it to me.

At a leisure time.

How long have you had your license?

This one I've had 12 years.

Twelve years.

How many violations do you have?

None.

These?

And your D copy?

Okay.

All right.

Well, it says here you're extremely cooperative with the investigation, and it's a point that matters to me.

I appreciate that.

You know, you look at these things, the application and floor plan.

I mean, we deal with some bad stuff, and that's that's not the worst.

But it is, they are violations.

So we'll allow her to take a look and get the information she needs.