Good afternoon, everyone.

Yep, we have Coral.

Um my name is Carlite Duffy, and this is the Marion County Community Corrections Advice Report meeting.

Um today is November the 13th, 2025, and we will start out with um taking roll with Mr.

Um Casanova.

Mary Casanova from Marion County.

Is it seven?

Okay.

Oh, we can go ahead and continue.

Uh Pai Bova Chief Operations Officer, Mary Superior Court, Colonel James Martin, Marion County Sheriff's Office.

Bailey Renchie, board counsel.

Oh, Carla Deputy Chair, um, Office of Public Health and Safety.

Judge Jeffrey Marshaw, Mary and Superior Court.

Dan Chickaney, Marion County Prosecutor's Office.

Judge Melanie Kendrick, Mary and Superior Court.

Excellent.

Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, Judge Kendrick.

Thank you.

Okay.

Oh no, no, you're perfectly fine.

Straight into the public.

Um, so our first agenda item is consideration for um the October 16th meeting minutes.

Um they have been disseminated to all of you physically and um electronically as well.

Um is can I get a motion to pass?

So moved.

Second.

Having a person second.

Um, all those in favor.

Aye.

Um, any opposed and those pass.

Thank you.

And now we will hear from Marion County Drug Treatment Court regarding IDOC grant fund transfer request from Director Jeffrey Yannis.

Hello, sir.

Hello, how are you?

Fabulous.

We'll just have a request to move $30,000 from character one to character three to pay for drug tests.

We had two open positions throughout the year that were open for a while.

So uh with everything going on, people can't pay for the drug test, so we need we need some extra money.

So we have extra money that we don't want to send back to DOC.

Um, so we're gonna spend it using our drug tests.

So we're just asking to move 30,000 from one to three and use it for drug screens.

Excellent.

Are there any questions?

I'm glad you're not allowing this to go to waste.

Thank you.

Definitely need it.

Um can I get a motion to pass?

So moved.

Second.

Um having a first and a second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Excellent.

And the motion passes.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Um, next on the agenda are Marion County Community Correction Contracts with Chief Financial Officer, Mr.

Justice Justin Garcia.

Good afternoon.

So I am here to uh present a contract for uh quality correctional care.

Uh quality correctional care has been a partner of ours uh for for quite a while now.

Uh they provide uh clinical services out of Doval Residential Center.

Those services include uh initial health assessments for all new intakes, uh sick call, emergency care, and also uh medication management.

They also provide administered straight up services, um which includes keeping all medical records uh maintained using NCCHC standards, uh, and officer training uh for mental health medication intake and emergency responses.

They also offer uh general services uh 247, 365 all call medical provider.

Uh they are on site 84 week 84 hours uh per week uh and then they also cover uh medical supplies with this contract.

This contract is actually increasing seven percent uh from the previous end NTU.

The NTE for this is gonna be 463,000 463,221 dollars.

Any questions?

So you're saying this is the the NTE is the amount of the previous contract, basically double plus seven percent.

No.

Uh so last year was 432,000.

This year it's gonna be 463, so it's a seven percent increase from last year.

So the 463 is the total increase amount.

No, 463 is the total amount.

Okay, I'm lost.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, 463 is the total amount for 2026.

Gotcha.

Gotcha.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

That's the amount we're requesting, uh, but it covers all of 2026.

Last year in 2025, the total amount that was approved was 432,000.

Gotcha.

So it's a seven percent increase from from last year.

Okay.

Is the seven percent increase related to the increase in population or just cost increase in general?

So it's uh four percent of its uh cola increase.

Uh and then prices just keep going up for medical care.

Uh it's really just for them to be able to hire new nurses.

A lot of the new nurses are requesting more.

Um that's kind of what the basically what the increase is for.

Okay, so the new contract total would be roughly um eight ninety-two or ninety-five, rather.

I'm saying it right.

Yeah, yeah, eight ninety-five.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is the first amendment on this uh contract.

Okay.

Perfect.

Any additional questions?

Okay.

Um, so can I get a motion to pass?

Second.

Having a first and a second.

Um, are there any questions on the motion?

Hearing none.

Um, all those in favor?

All those opposed.

And the motion passes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Excellent.

And now we will have um updates from our director Scott Hall for Mary County Committee Corrections.

Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the board.

Uh a few updates uh before we go into executive session.

Um first of all, um, working with uh the Office of Finance and Management, we completed a facility assessment of Duvall residential center.

Uh we received those results back.

Um they kind of broke it down into immediate needs, uh uh three to five year plan and uh over five years.

Um the the next steps regarding that uh there were dollars that had been allocated for this assessment that were unspent that OFM has uh graciously kind of put forward to put uh towards these immediate needs.

Um and so uh Justin is working with uh Nate Riley out at Deval to address those kind of immediate concerns.

Uh when we talk about immediate, none of these were um threats to to health or safety at this time, and and many of them are just needs that whether this facility is maintained in the long term as a work release facility or is eventually sold potentially uh to a to another provider, these are items that would need to be addressed one way or another.

So we're looking at um some short-term uh roof fixes.

Um the the longer term roof fix is over a million dollars, so that's not on the table right now.

Um, and then um addressing some needs with uh HVAC uh issues out there, which is just a constant uh problem.

One thing that was addressed uh during the assessment is at the end of the day, um we've got air conditioning units trying to uh well we have heating and air units trying to heat and and cool a building that is not designed to be heated and cooled for humans, um, and and so that puts a strain on those uh on that equipment that it's just not uh made for.

So we are addressing what we can uh with those dollars uh through the end of this year, and uh we'll we'll kind of follow through on that list.

Any questions on that?

Uh next up is we uh met with reform alliance um about two weeks ago.

Uh they came in town.

Uh we have been in discussions with them for quite some time on just how we might be able to partner moving forward.

One thing that they were are going to help us with is kind of doing a deep dive analysis of some of our data.

There's there's things that we just quite honestly don't have the bandwidth to be able to really do from a from a data analysis standpoint.

And there are things that we anecdotally believe to be true, but I don't have data to be able to point to and say, and this is uh this is the fact.

So for example, we want to do an analysis of individuals that complete programming.

But I don't have data that shows what that difference looks like.

And is there a correlation between what their risk uh level is and and that successful completion rate and those sorts of things.

So they're going to dig into that, and then also the impact of multiple case managers on an individual's likelihood for success.

Again, we we try to maintain clients with a single case manager through the course of their time with us, but due to turnover, that isn't always the case, so we want to be able to see what is that impact, and if they go from one to two case managers, um, you know, what how is that impact their likelihood of being successful and more than one or two, you know, how do how does that change over time?

And again, related to their risk assessment as well.

So working with them to be able to just really tie those factors in and help us maybe potentially make some better decisions going forward to the extent we have control.

I mean, obviously, we don't transfer clients just because we want to, but if um you know, if we can keep that in mind in some instances, uh maybe that helps us, but if nothing else, it's right now everything's anecdotal, and and I think being able to actually have facts behind that would help us.

Any questions on that next week?

I will the uh the Indiana Association Association of Community Corrections Counties has our fall training institute, so that will be going on the bulk of next week.

Uh we do have a couple staff that are were selected to be presenters there, so excited about that.

But we'll uh that will be very busy for us.

Um and then I just want to make this body aware uh of something that that I've been discussing in in some other forums, is um I was uh I presented to the legislature's summer study session uh about a month and a half, maybe two months ago, and and our association president Kelly Bitorf gave a presentation to state JRAC uh regarding the impact of the DOC cuts to community supervision, specifically probation and community corrections.

And we uh addressed that in both of those forums, and um as this body is aware, community corrections in Marion County did not get a significant cut in any any form.

However, it did dramatically impact uh probation and problem solving courts here in Marion County, and certainly in in the other parts of the state, which uh in both of these forums we were representing both probation and community corrections for the entire state, um you know, there were there were significant cuts statewide.

So we just were speaking to the impacts that's going to have on community supervision and and the ripple effects that could have on uh not just community supervision but jails and prisons as well.

So any questions on that.

Last thing I have then is um I will be reaching out to court administration to get on the agenda for an upcoming um crimper meeting.

Uh I know there's one scheduled for next week, but I won't be able to attend that one.

But to discuss female work release in general uh related to Marion County.

Um we do have the agreement in place with Dove House.

However, I think where we're at right now is um uh it's a matter of definition in my opinion.

Um do we have female work release?

I I think that's somewhat of a judicial question.

We have a program set up with Dovehouse.

Dovehouse uh does not allow anyone on the property except for those that are you know uh living there or have a reason to be there, um but it is not a depending on your definition, it may or may not be considered a a secure facility.

The the women who stay there are able to leave.

Um so it is not secure in the same way that say DeVall is, although I would make the argument at Deval, although that door is locked, you are allowed to leave for work and other appointments, and if you choose to just not return, that's what generally happens.

anyone on the property except for those that are you know uh living there or have a reason to be there um but it is not a it depending on your definition it may or may not be considered a a secure facility the the women who stay there are able to leave um so it is not secure in the same way that say Duvall is although I would make the argument at Duvall although that door is locked you are allowed to leave for work and other appointments and if you choose to just not return that's what generally happens um so I say all this to say we have uh Dove House as a available option for uh women to be placed um in a kind of a transitional program um but we if we are talking about a secure facility that looks and feels like Duvall residential center then that is not an option uh right now and frankly there I am not aware of an option that fits that type of definition in Marion County and so uh I want to uh get with crimter to kind of lay all of that out um for the judges uh just so that they're aware of of what we have available and and maybe what we don't have available based on what's here in Marion County.

Awesome so um not speaking for the entire board anyone that wants to chime in feel free to chime in but for me personally I do hope that this is something that can progress and at the very least um in a even if it's in a in a pilot status of sorts to see what the potential issues and concerns could be I think that we are doing a huge disservice um to our female population by not having this availability that is something that the men have right what what I would say to that is Dove House is an available option and and again I think it depends on on what the expectation or need is from a security standpoint.

There are already women at Dove House that are on community corrections that are on electronic monitoring and and place there.

So it is a viable option they do tremendous work they have great programming that goes on there.

And we know that they have a wait list.

So that is it is still a a viable and I believe an important option for female individuals that that the course may want to put into a placement program.

Again it's depending on what level of security the expectation is of that that facility that they would be going to I will say that by statute there's no clear definition of what a work release facility security standards are.

So that kind of leaves some some gray area there.

Again dub house does not allow just anyone into the building I could make the argument that makes it a secure facility the fact that that the ladies may be able to leave you know we have guys that choose not to return from from work or doctor's appointments at the ball so in in some ways that's I don't know that there's a significant different difference there other than semantics.

So does the actual limitations of Dove House prevent the same amount of say women who are referred to community corrections actually being placed as compared to men.

I mean I hear you saying that there doesn't seem to be a definition in the statute what constitutes a secure facility but I guess my concern is came up maybe several months ago as an equal protection issue with regard to placement of women and men and community corrections program and and does the I guess what I'm trying to get is does the Dove House facility in any way create a problem that limits the amount of women that can be placed in the correction they they do have their own rules on who they will accept into their program and it really focuses around substance a substance abuse issue.

But that we had we had limitations at Cranehouse as well so they did not accept everyone who was referred for female work release.

So there are some restrictions based on who Dove House allows into the program, but it is an option for some individuals, yes.

I would also say and on a much more limited basis, there are restrictions on who we can accept to Duvall.

Now that has been very flexible over the course of time, but according to our neighborhood covenants, we cannot have anyone with a sex offense.

So how does the security apparatus in Dovehouse differ from what we had at Cranehouse?

I think uh that that's a little bit hard to answer.

I would say it's the same.

Cranehouse would say that their door was locked uh and you had to be buzzed out.

Um course the reason we don't have continue to have that contract with Cranehouse is there were things that were said that weren't actually uh in place and being done.

So uh anecdotally, I know people were able to just go to the door to exit and be buzzed out whether they were had anything formally scheduled to be out of the outside of the building or not.

So was the door locked?

Yes, but were they able to leave the building just as easily?

Yes.

And what other counties have a designated women-only work release facility?

Uh women only, I am not aware of another county.

Now, several counties have their work release facilities designed in such a way that allows for both male and female uh residents, and obviously we're not in a position to be able to do that.

I assume that was the answer.

Have we consulted with the Department of Correction as to the security of the facility and whether they believe it is appropriate?

Uh we have not.

Yeah, I would assume it's the same as Duvall, right?

As far as the security that you're talking about, the legal definition that you're talking about, it would have to have the same standards as Duvall, right?

I don't I don't know that that's true.

I mean, again, um in searching through community correction statute, there is no set definition of for what that security looks like.

But I mean work release in and of itself is one of two uh things included in the definition, at least in the criminal code of in prison.

Imprisoned is either DOC or work release.

So as far as the work release facility, I have to assume that the minimum security facilities of a DOC facility would look very similar to what Duval must must follow.

I believe so, but again, I I can't find that concrete statute to define that because there is the um I don't know caveat, but there is there is that piece that our individuals, even though that door is locked, they are still allowed to leave.

Now it's under you know whatever that schedule allows for, and they have to be allowed outside of the building, so there is that difference, but at the end of the day, individuals are still able to come and go based on a schedule and what their what their individual needs may be.

So I don't know.

I I understand what you're saying, and and I don't disagree, but I also think that there is no clear definition, so it allows this gray area that um at the end of the day, even the door though a door is locked, individuals are still allowed to leave at one time or another.

Is Duvall currently receiving CTP?

We do have CTP clients, yes, although it's significantly fewer than it used to be.

They max out pretty quick, it seems I get I get some memos that say we can't accept this person on the transition program right now because there are no beds available.

Okay, we we've had that.

The other issue that has significantly decreased uh community transition in in not just in Marion County but statewide, is they uh internally DOC change their timelines on calculating credit time, and in many cases, individuals are initially uh deemed appropriate for CTP for community transition program, and then during the course of calculating credit time again, it's they've already time served and they never end up showing up to Marion County or any other county due to that.

So CTP numbers statewide are down significantly as well.

Because we're still two for one and they're 75%.

Correct.

Okay.

But it's also um they I believe they've expanded what they allow credit time for as far as programming classes and that sorts of thing.

And they have increased um again, my understanding is they've increased the options available uh within many of the facilities for uh programming and services.

Well, that's a good thing.

So again, my next steps are to meet with Crib Term and kind of explain where we're at as uh as an agency and what options we do have available.

We'll continue to explore other options, but um I mean right now, like I said, the only other option that we had looked at was uh VOA, and um that facility, men and women were um housed on the same floor, uh different rooms behind a locked door, but I could not I would not bring that to this board.

I mean if it's the will of the board that I pursue that further, I'm I'm open to doing that, but it it did not seem like a viable option for for our clients.

But the hope is for potentially for the new building to have the facilities for both, potentially.

I I mean that that has been one discussion.

I mean, obviously that now we're getting into cost and and what would be approved versus wouldn't be approved, and obviously we we don't even have at this point we don't even have approval to move forward with a new facility period.

So um whatever options might be available in that new facility haven't even been discussed at this point.

Have we had any problems with our females walking away from from the work release facility that they're in now?

Well, there is nothing now.

Um now when they were at Crane House, did we have absconders?

Yes.

It wasn't it wasn't um an abnormally high number, it was at no higher rate than say Duvall.

Okay, so we had them, but not in any significant numbers.

But we are also talking about a much smaller population.

I mean, we I believe at our high water mark, we may have touched 20 women uh being placed at Crane House, but you know, at the time the contract was terminated, I believe we had six, and we had been below ten for months at that point.

Yes.

Numbers I remember too, thanks.

Can you remind again how much space there is for women as compared to men right now for in community corrections?

Well, community corrections in general, it's there's there's no limitation.

So I mean, as far as like home detention.

Well, we yeah, I guess let's look at work release or well, work release then it's zero because we don't have female work release since we canceled the contract with the with uh crane.

I guess I if you're talking about dove house, how many both are available in the house?

Right now we're looking at eight to ten with the those women would need to have um substance abuse issues.

Yes, right.

So we don't so I just need some clarity.

So we don't actually have a contract with the house.

They're just holding beds for us as a courtesy.

No, we have a contract, which we do hold those beds.

Yeah, okay, but it's only related to our clients who have a substance abuse problem.

Right.

Okay.

Has there been discussion with them as to treating it as a residential facility for which somebody would have to be on home detention as opposed to a work release facility in which you're not on the monitor unless the court's ordering you on the monitor when you leave and then it comes off when you come back?

No, they they've already accepted individuals that are just on home detention.

Again, they have that that nexus of a substance abuse assistance.

So we we have we have already already the next step.

Correct.

And maybe this is a better question for the criminal term, but I think we will need to know what is the procedure when somebody comes back in from a day at work.

How does that differ from what we had at Crane?

How does that differ from what the men have to do at Duval?

What is the supervision of those individuals while they're in the facility, and what are the restrictions on those individuals from leaving either on a pass or for work or any other?

And what are the restrictions on those individuals from leaving either on a pass or for work or any other?

We recognize that anybody in Duball can just bolt out the door and we deal with that.

What we can't have is a situation where the women are free to come and go as they please, and there is not uh substantiation and and notation as to you're allowed to leave under these circumstances, you must return under these circumstances, and there must be a set process.

Just being able to walk right out the front door whenever you want to walk right out the front door is not gonna get the court's approval as a work release facility.

Right.

And I well, and they don't uh I'm sorry, Judge I was gonna say the same is I think true about them coming back in.

It is the log them when they come back in not only that, but uh some kind of form of security searching something of that sort that may not be true of a home detention.

Right.

Now they do have I mean they do um monitor in and out.

So I mean, and they still have to be buzzed out, although the doors you know unlocked.

I mean they they still maintain schedules and in-out logs and and those sorts of.

But I assume there is not a search of an individual coming back into Dove House after the U.S.

Uh, I don't believe it's a full search the same as Duvall.

Right, so it's not on the difference.

Yeah, it's not the same.

We're talking about people with substance use issues who if it's simply a home detention matter, they can come and go.

They're not getting a full type of search that they would at Duval, and it's gonna create major issues, potential liability issues, I think.

Right.

Can I weigh in for context?

I couldn't imagine the hurdle that Director Hull is going through, and I don't think you're ever gonna find place in that in a private facility that operates as a correctional facility.

I mean that I don't I don't think you we've been wanting the program for the females for quite some time.

It's been a gap in service for sure.

I don't think you're gonna what you're describing, me personally from what I know about these community stakeholders, you're not going to find another jail out there to rent beds from.

And I could be completely wrong and director Hall tell me if I'm wrong, but I couldn't imagine trying to accomplish what he's trying to accomplish given the expectations that it's just that it's impossible as a possible early.

And I'm certainly not disparaging Director Hall.

We've been talking about this for quite some time, and I'm very excited to hear that we're getting closer and closer.

But uh I think as we do so, we we I need to be able to go back to my colleagues and say, if we're gonna start saying you will go to Dove House as a work release commit, we need to know exactly what that looks like.

And if it's and but uh in no way would I ever say you've got to make this the jail.

Yeah, yeah.

It's not the jail.

Right.

And and I think and that's my intent in coming in front of crimp term is to clearly define what Dove House is and and what and maybe what they aren't, um, and and what the conditions are and and and again, so that you know, whether it's uh home detention placement or or we term it work release or however it is termed, the the level of security and and oversight and all of that is clear to all the judges so that they know what that facility is and isn't, and they can make that informed decision on whether a client is is appropriate for that facility or not, um, as we continue to look for additional options.

I know that um if I'm recalling this correctly with Crane House, um there was uh a a key piece of the issues there was uh spirited by the death investigation and that to overdose yeah, I mean I I wanna it was not the overdose itself that resulted in in changes in our relationship with Crane House because um believe me in and uh in my chair, I understand how um these tragedies can occur no matter how well uh a facility is operated.

The the issue that resulted in us terminating that contract was the uh actions and and follow-up with Crane House subsequent to that tragedy, and I I would say kind of a lack of cooperation and transparency.

So the reason for me saying that is that I hope that situation does not overshadow or or uh cause uh crimp term to be more adverse to Dove.

It it already is a little concerning for me that it's only available for women with substance abuse issues.

Um and then who makes that like how is that determination made?

Is it is it something that the person self-reports as terms of having substance use disorder?

Um is it just substance use disorder?

Um, or is it any type of addiction?

Um like we're just we're hurting our female population in tremendous ways that not only hurt the females, but it hurts the families for us to not have this available to women, which happens to be anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong, the fastest growing population in DOC, even though they're still not at the level, the numbers that men are at.

Right.

And and to piggyback on that, the the females that we tend to deal with, I could argue that almost a hundred percent of them are suffer from some form of mental illness, PTSD trauma.

Uh all of them are substance abuse survivors.

I mean, really, to be, I mean, almost at 100%.

I could argue that either way, but so wouldn't everyone qualify?

I I don't I don't know that that would be as big a limiting factor as we might think.

Um now certainly is it going to limit some individuals?

Absolutely.

Um, but I don't know that it would be I do believe that um most individuals would still be eligible uh for their program.

Um the other thing I would add to this, um, not related to Dove House, but you know, this morning I was at the Marion County reentry coalition meeting, and uh we have two or three more providers that you know are kind of new on the scene that have some transitional housing specifically for females that now we still we just have the introduction phase at this point, so we still have vetting to do.

What I would say is what I do know of these facilities, uh kind of going to back to your point, they may not have that that same criteria of requiring you know a substance abuse diagnosis, um, but I also know that they are not secure facilities in the fashion that Duvall is.

So I mean it it may take away one uh of the barriers or concerns, but it certainly wouldn't alleviate all of those anyone else um just uh next time.

Can you bring like what the eligibility is for a dove house?

Yeah, I can't see like what other you have it now.

Uh I I do it's just in the form of an email, it's a little hard to read, but I can you just summarize it for us that that gives an idea of who they are allowing in the facility and who they're not.

Female, 18 year older, uh alcohol drug use history, um sex offenses or um crimes against children, um excuse the director, yep, sex offenses.

So what would that include prostitution?

Uh I'd have to get clarification on that being unstable psych psychiatric conditions, uh, which again we need a little more definition on that.

Um other than that, that's that's really it.

So that does exclude a lot of people with the psychiatric well i I think the the key there would be unstable, so I think that it depends on what the definition of unstable is.

Um so I would also think maybe um the crimes against children if they're considering your failure as a parent as being a crime against children if your kids were taken by DCS.

Well, I know they have a contract with DCS, so I don't believe that would be I don't think that would fall under that.

I think it's it's more of uh physical approach but I could share this with board the actual document.

Anything else anything else, sir?

Nope.

Excellent.

Thank you for that.

with DCS so I don't believe that would be I don't think that would fall under that I think it's it's more of uh physical approach but I could share this with board the actual document anything else anything else sir no excellent thank you for that um we will now adjourn and move into our executive session our next community corrections meeting will be Thursday December the 11th and you do another uh oh yes ma'am um in this room at 12 p.m and before we adjourn we will have another um do roll call once again so judge jim snyder marin superior court Ray Casanova Chief Public Defender H Vova uh Chief Operations Officer Mary Superior Court Colonel James Martin Mary County Sheriff's Office Carlette Duffy Office of Public Health and Safety Judge Jeffrey Marstrown Marion Superior Court David Manchakini Marion County Prosecutor's Office Judge Melanie Kendrick Marion Superior Court shows me common miller uh mental health representative from the community thank you we are adjourned