Well yeah, for the for all I I don't care if that hard number is there.

That's about three million dollars.

So they don't give us the forty three dollars.

So I'll be speaking of uh some study session for uh as a dissociation one thing that you're pushing for is uh funding because it's not a business how to problem solve for the version programs of the C and then prison numbers have to take anything else in uh the the under project release file.

That's one yeah, the share association meeting the last week and see commissioner was there.

You continue to do that, you know, so just tell him it's money that comes back out of here because you only pay us.

I understand why he does it.

It's caused effective heavy, it's two hundred and ninety-four dollars, and I sat there in Miami.

Yeah.

Yeah.

True.

And I would actually mission, so actually don't get the four dollars.

But when it comes time to budget pass.

I like the S.

That's right.

Is it just that DOC's budget went down?

And actually they were one of two statewide agencies that actually got in place.

Now they didn't get as much as they originally asked for.

But they still got increased.

So they reduced their grant funding to make up for what they needed.

Yeah.

Now most of this is us reading T because they obviously not four cut how any of this has worked.

Um we've reached out to a number of legislators though that had no idea because you know they they voted on appropriation increased their bucket.

Right.

And then they're finding out that corrections got cuts and why you know, in several counties, it's bad.

I mean, relative to speaking, we didn't do it.

Hi.

Always talking about you.

I thought uh I thought you might cancel the meeting so you can sit and watch the uh stream game down for what?

I use find out.

Oh, or they're gonna go.

It's interesting.

Yeah.

I guess we have more than challenging the things.

Yeah, I'm not a few other four.

Yeah.

All right, well, we'll go ahead and get started.

My name is Ryan Mears on the Marion County Prosecutor's Office.

Welcome to the criminal justice planning council meeting on July twenty-seventh of twenty twenty-six.

I appreciate everybody's willingness to re-engage with us uh one week later as we uh I think there's a number of conflicts that uh individuals had for uh last week's schedule meeting, but I appreciate uh everybody being here.

Uh I guess I'll start with uh introductions.

Counselor Robinson, can we start with you?

Sheriff Kerry Forestal.

Uh Andrew Berkeley, Director of OPHS.

Scott Hall, executive director of Maine County Committee Corrections.

I appreciate everybody being here.

Uh in front of you, you have the criminal justice pointing council minutes from our last meeting on mid eighteenth of twenty twenty-six.

Uh and at this point in time, would uh anybody be willing to make a motion regarding the minutes.

We have a motion to approve the minutes, and that has been properly seconded.

All of those in favor.

Thank you very much.

The meeting's the minutes will be approved.

Uh I see Salida just joined us.

Uh I see Salita just joined us, and I believe she printed off the jail inmate count.

Maybe we've got uh major shaft.

Can I do that?

Okay, Major Shanklin, why don't you join us?

It's nice to see you as opposed to Colonel Martin.

Thank you.

I'm Major Thankful Lewis.

I'll be reviewing the uh ABC in the account for today, Monday, July 27, 2026.

The first chart displays the total number of inmates and custody as of today.

The graph additionally provides capacity level and the crisis mode, which is 80% of the capacity grading exceeding 80% is indicated with a yes and the color red on today's free kids.

Today we have 2,610 in custody, males represent uh 2,193 of that number, females 389, juvenile males 28, and zero juvenile females.

The second graph demonstrates the MA population as seen against the capacity level and the crisis model rating from January 2022 for today.

The ATA 1006 count is displayed and it is at 47.

Our third chart uh displays the detainer hold right now for DLC.

We're currently sitting on 197 and 83 for parole.

And then the next chart displays they may count by charge levels.

We have currently 122 murder charges, 101 with belly one, 174 with two, 262 for only three, 324 for telling four, 72 for Hellany Five, 622 for L6, the only other is five misdemeanor, 197, 43 MC cases, and 58 are other chart demonstrates uh percentage based off days propositions.

Others defined as a federal inmate and are under unidentified charge level at the time of reporting.

The last chart that you have no negative sheriff or assessment.

Yeah, please do.

I just wanted a comparison there of the first six months of the previous year and the first six months of this year.

The line there at 2400 is what we are funded for and what is recommended for the population of the jail.

It keeps us as 80 percent.

So last year is everything is the line that goes before it below it.

As you can see, other than a little bit uh here in January, um, we've been above it all year long.

There's several criteria that you probably considered.

One is the over detention of prisoners that are left behind by the state department of corrections who leave those uh in our jail.

Um they pay us 42 dollars a day for that, and it cost us 85 dollars.

I've pointed it out before, but I think it's a good thing to remind people that again.

Also, I think there's been an increase in interest of people being held in Marion County jail, which it doesn't matter in your position, it still matters the numbers.

So at some point in time, either that number needs to go down, or we'd have to think about whatever the next move is, whether additional jail beds are needed.

This number, if it stayed, will put us beyond what this was designed for.

Thank you.

And and sure, if I got a couple of questions, I was uh made aware of is actually in the meeting minutes.

Uh the Hancock County Board of Commissioners uh was addressing an individual as a juvenile who was being detained in Hancock County, and they're talking about the fact that they it was it was becoming a very expensive proposition to them because that individual had to be isolated uh because they were juveniles, and and this commission's solution rather than paying, I think it was twelve hundred dollars a week that it was costing them to house this one juvenile.

Their solution was to just move them to Marion County.

Uh and so I'm I'm just curious like is that rampant?

Is that something that occurs often where other jurisdictions or other agencies reach out to Marion County to to hise to house some of their uh inmates?

I know a lot of times you guys take on some of the most challenging and difficult inmates from from other counties.

Uh can you should any light on that?

Sure, we don't want to do that since a major sitting here.

Have you heard moving any juveniles into our custody?

Yes, we have that's probably the one they were talking about.

Uh when we may reconsider that.

Yeah.

Because we try to uh balance uh there are needs of when we have to have keep separates.

We have a lot of people who are multiple people are allegedly involved in the same crime, so we have to separate them, we'll move them to other counties.

In exchange, there's time for us to ask that, but the cost savings of the twelve hundred dollars, I'd have to look at the jail commander to see what's comparison for us.

Yeah, I've I was surprised that that was the solution.

They're like, Well, we'll just send them in Mary's country.

But they probably saw that that's what the department of state of Indiana does, and so it's just leave them in Marion County, so they probably fell into that habit, but that's not what we want them to do.

And and looking at the page three of the information you provided, sheriff, it looks like there are 280 individuals uh between the IDOC holds and parole holds.

So those are individuals that theoretically don't need to be in the Marion County jail, is that correct?

They've been sentenced to the Department of Corrections and they just haven't picked them up, and that's just the top line 197 is about three and a half million dollars that then cost us here in Marion County because they only give us 42 dollars for the prisoners that are here, and it cost us 85 dollars to house them.

So when the controller gets the check from them, it's only half as much of what it cost us here.

So that's being absorbed by the taxpayers of Marion County in Indianapolis.

Do you know why it takes so long for them to pick people up?

They have various reasons.

Uh they said one of the problems is out there at uh playing field where they originally received them, doesn't move them through quick enough for either crowds or they're short of of uh the number of employees, but we have the same thing, we can't lock the door.

Right.

I mean, and they've had plenty of time to remedy this.

Major, do you have anything to add?

Okay, thank you very much.

Appreciate you providing that that that information.

Just a couple of things.

One kind of off topic that we were just discussing a little bit earlier, but also kind of relates to the Department of Correction is the fact that uh we were recently notified that uh a lot of our problem solving courts are gonna no longer be funded uh through the state.

I think they're coming through the Department of Correction.

Uh and will have a dramatic impact on our drug treatment court as well as our veterans court.

Um just so everybody our re-entry court, Scott, which I think you're in involved with as well.

Uh just just so people are aware.

I mean, I think some of the best success stories that we have in the entire criminal justice enterprise originate from veterans court, uh veterans who have been dealing with a variety of issues that were able to get into services, oftentimes getting them into housing, getting real uh you know, real uh mental health treatment or addiction issues.

There's a lot of support out there for veterans, but I mean the veterans court is just absolutely essential into to getting these individuals into services.

Reentry court does a really good job of actually getting people acclimated back into the community.

Uh I was wondering if if if Scott, if you'd just be willing to provide a little overview of just what we're missing out on, uh especially as it relates to re-entry court with with some of these cuts that uh the state has recently notified us of.

Yeah, and I maybe taking us back just a little bit.

The the cuts to the community corrections uh grant that's administered by the Indiana Department of Corrections.

Uh this started last year, so our last budget cycle, and at that time, prosecutors diversion program, uh probation, um, and problem solving course were all cut and probation and and the prosecutor's office and the sheriff's um uh there was a treatment program through the sheriff that was funded by that grant, and all those were completely unfunded uh a year ago.

This current budget cycle for the grant uh statewide, there was another seven million dollar cut uh across the board.

Uh here in Marion County, what that meant was uh community our community corrections program.

We were cut just over 250,000, and they completely unfunded re-entry court, drug corps, and veterans court.

Um so in Marion County now, only one of the original problem solving courts is still being funded through that grant.

Um to your point, Mr.

Prosecutor, the number of people that are uh we are able to avoid either putting in jail or in prison, uh those are pretty large numbers.

And so when the sheriff talks about you know they're not picking people up because they're crowded and and whatnot, they're only exacerbating that problem by cutting that funding.

And uh it feels like we're kind of cutting our legs out from under ourselves here.

Yeah, I mean, I couldn't help but think as the sheriff was talking about you know, all the inmates that that they have and kind of the unfunded mandate that they have because they're not being picked up from the state.

It it seems like we're exacerbating the problem when we get rid of these problem solving courts that have demonstrated a pretty consistent track record of being able to help people.

Right.

I know I was just on a call earlier today with other directors across the state, and the the issue of the problem solving courts being cut across the state came up, and uh there was an example of Vanderburgh County, so Evansville, Indiana, where uh one problem solving court being completely unfunded there is going to be a hundred and twenty individuals a year going to prison instead of being in that community.

Um I know I I don't have our numbers from our problem solving courts, but I know our numbers are equal or greater than then that court would be.

Um so you start multiplying that times multiple communities, these are these are not small numbers.

No.

Does the state notify the controller or let anybody let you know that hey the this is this this is coming and some of the all these agencies that depend on that money?

No, I had no advance notice.

I I think honestly, the only information we got was either from the courts or from uh community corrections just sharing the updated um grant award information.

Wow.

So the I will say that timeline wise, the official grant notification came out on I don't remember the exact date, but it was a Tuesday.

We were made aware of what that grant amount was going to be Friday afternoon, the prior Friday afternoon.

So we had basically a weekend's notice before the official grant amount.

We had been told that there was going to be a cut.

We had been told it could be as much as seven million dollars statewide, but no one knew how that was going to be how those cuts were going to be distributed across the state.

Um we said largely it impacted problem solving courts uh this year uh as well as community corrections programs.

There was no set formula for how those cuts came about.

Um it wasn't like it was a flat five percent or ten percent across community corrections statewide, uh it varied greatly.

Um I will say as a percentage of our total funding, Marion County's uh cut was less severe than some other counties.

Uh others lost upwards of 30 to 30 some percent of their total budget.

Wow.

So uh it this is being felt certainly here in Marion County, but it is impacting uh everyone across the state.

Yeah.

How much of a cut did you all or did the problem solving court take?

So three of the problem solving courts were completely um unfunded by the grant.

So how much is that?

Uh I off the top of my head I cannot remember that dollar amount, but it was several hundred thousand dollars.

Okay, and I don't believe that those grant dollars fully funded those courts, but they were to such an extent that I don't know how they're going to uh if and how they'll be able to operate moving forward for from an economic perspective.

I think uh veterans court is the cheapest uh, but it also deals with the the fewest number of individuals.

I mean, if you take a look at how many people drug treatment court are engaged with on any given period of time.

I mean, it's 70 to 80 people at a time, then those individuals graduate, and then you have a new class kind of kind of come through, uh, and then re-entry court is is something that I think a lot of people have just taken for for granted.

Was the controller having a good news?

No.

Okay.

We are feeling these grant cuts, I mean, happening at the state, but you know, forensics is also experiencing it from the federal government, and so just it's a lot for the city to try and absorb all these things on top of the growth that we need just to continue our operation.

having a good news no I mean we're we're still working on the budget um there needs always outpace uh the revenue that we have available and so this is this it's no different um uh we are feeling these grant cuts I mean happening at the state but you know forensics is also experiencing it from the federal government and so just it's a lot for the city to try and absorb all these things on top of the growth that we need just to continue our operation so it's a very challenging budget it's uh it it is indeed well we'll we'll certainly continue these conversations anything but anybody have anything else on the problem solving courts uh one other thing that I just wanted to to bring to everybody's attention is something that I've had a numerous conversations with with with people about and in the community is just concerns regarding Airbnbs I know the council's been incredibly proactive and and trying to deal with that I did just want to let everybody know that uh Chief Adams and I have been working on a couple of different things that that we think can can hopefully be uh impactful as it relates to to making sure that uh property owners are are certainly following the letter of the ordinances and that there's real teeth behind those financial fines we're limited in what we can find those individuals but I I think we can probably be more aggressive and in pursuing that and I think you're gonna see that in the coming future but uh I I do think at some point in time I mean that's that's something that kind of involves everybody uh at all levels when we talk about this these issues with Airbnbs because I know I hear a lot about it when when I'm out in the community I don't know if you do counselor Robinson.

Thank you Mr.

Prosecutor Nate Nick and thank you so far um you when you say all levels is the state play a role in that uh or can we uh on our own uh determine the I mean I think you guys have done what you can right uh with with the find I mean it would be nice if we had a a state law that actually allowed whether that's the city prosecutor or the county prosecutor to to more aggressively pursue these individuals uh but I mean we'll certainly use the tools that that you guys have have provided to us uh but unfortunately when it's only monetary um that only goes so far in terms of deterring unreasonable conduct you you think there's other than increasing the fines the fees do you think there's more that we could do though that to deter uh criminal activity and a product activity I I don't know what else the council can do.

I mean I think you guys are pretty limited and and I think what jurisdictions or you know what authorities been right given to you you've taken advantage of uh so I'm not sure what else the the council can do I think it's continuing to draw attention to the issue and also just seeing what we can do to maybe you know demonstrate to to people hey even if we hold people accountable accountability means three hundred dollars right uh and is that really the accountability people have in mind when they see these parties consistently taking place in Airbnbs.

Do you think that any when locally have uh connected with the state at all at any level or I mean I know there's been conversations but uh you know people have a lot of different perspectives on issues like this that was very gently say it I'm sitting next to the sheriff he's he's good at not saying uh things that are controversial I'm trying to learn from him gently say it but thank you thank you anybody on the Airbnbs uh does anybody have anything else they'd like to discuss just two quick notes um after our uh after crimter meeting in June uh realized there were some some instances where there was assumptions about people that are uh sentenced to uh work release at Duvall and whether they're actually on electronic monitoring I believe this is something where things were kind of falling through the cracks and there was an assumption on some parts that if you were sentenced to commute to Duvall you were automatically on electronic monitoring.

We got that clarified and and and we will be trying to ensure that everyone uh court order to Duvall will be on electronic monitoring moving forward uh obviously work release is considered a slightly higher level of supervision than in home detention and yet in many cases that wasn't true if they weren't on electronic monitoring from the the other side of this coin though is it also will make things a little more efficient for our staff out there and for the the residents of Duvall many of many of our individuals out there work over you know have later night jobs uh second and third shift jobs get offered opportunities to stay for overtime things like that currently the amount of documentation we have to try to get to to be able to verify that they are staying after work they're staying in the same location becomes very problematic this will actually make that much easier obviously we'll be able to quickly verify yes you're you're still with your employer you'll be there for the next two hours three hours whatever and and so make that a little bit more of an efficient process and a little bit easier uh for the residents to not have to define you know multiple forms of verification to to prove that and then the second piece I wanted to update is we don't have a go live date yet set but we are uh working with IMPD with deputy chief adams on um being able to roll out a uh victims app for domestic violence survivors uh looking at September 1st is probably slightly aggressive go live date but more likely uh definitely by October 1st

And then the second piece I want to update is we don't have a go live date yet set, but we are uh working with IMPD with Deputy Chief Adams on being able to roll out a uh victims app for domestic violence survivors.

Uh looking at September 1st is probably slightly aggressive go live date, but more likely uh definitely by October 1st.

Um and again, this is a app that goes on the survivor's phone.

We do not track that individual, it is simply uh uh like a mobile victim zone.

Okay, and what it would allow us to know is if the offender gets within you know a certain you know predetermined radius of that that victim, then that's when we get the notification and we're able to um reach out to that individual, get them to hopefully comply and move away from the situation, and if not, then engage with law enforcement and get them on the scene as as quickly as possible.

So uh it's been utilized in several other jurisdictions and has been uh very popular there, uh has done done really well, and we're looking forward to implementing that here in in Marion County.

We will not be doing away with victim zones around the home.

Uh obviously, we don't want to this would be in addition to, and it is a voluntary program.

Okay.

Great.

Look look forward to that being implemented.

Does anybody have anything else?

Yes, sir.

Like to follow up on Council Robinson's point earlier about the Airbnbs and similar.

I can't understand why anybody would be supporting allowing those things to happen.

I mean, it's dangerous in the neighborhood.

Cars right around there is we've seen plenty of places shots being fired.

I mean, anybody at the State House should be the people that are protecting Marion County and the surrounding counties.

I'm sure Hamilton County has their fair share of those kind of people that are running parties and having hundreds of people show up and putting neighborhoods in danger.

So I would think people at the State House be looking for laws to be able to criminalize it and not just make it administrative and financially uh a loss.

All right.

Well, I appreciate everybody uh being here.

OPHS, did you have anything you wanted to add?

I hope lots of it.

Okay.

Wonderful.

I will entertain a motion on adjournment.

So move.

Second.

All right.

All in favor.

Let's leave.

Thank you.

Appreciate everybody.