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Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission Meeting (Dec 3, 2025)

Other Meetings (I)Wednesday, December 3, 2025
BodyIndianapolis, Indiana
SessionOther Meetings (I)
DateWednesday, December 3, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
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I don't want like the dry fit.

0:02

Like I don't want the moisture wicking.

0:04

Yes.

0:04

Like cozy ones.

0:06

Yeah.

0:07

Quarter zips.

0:12

North phase.

0:16

I don't want.

0:17

Well, I mean, are scrub pants professional wear?

0:21

No.

0:22

I don't think so.

0:24

I had it for a while, but I don't think it's four.

0:30

Huh?

0:32

It's pretty good.

0:32

They're new.

0:33

They're like Land's End or LL Bean.

0:42

Yeah.

0:43

I think that's where we got our like shell jacket for the eye.

0:48

Which I like to a zip-up jacket with on the back would be not everyone.

0:58

We could do a zip-up jacket with the logo on the back.

1:01

Oh yeah.

1:04

But this is the place as a design.

1:06

Yeah.

1:07

Okay.

1:08

Cool.

1:09

Go pick it up while I when I see my dad.

1:12

I still like to do that.

1:18

Do they have like a fancy um do they have a seasonal pizzuki at BJ's?

1:24

What are they?

1:25

Do you know what they are?

1:28

What's going on?

1:29

Is it like a peppermint one?

1:32

It's not even worth it.

1:36

I'm junior to you guys see the did you see the thing that the state's doing?

1:42

You can bring your infant up to six months old to work with you now.

1:48

I think it's just to give people take a vlog of alternative.

1:58

So what's getting a multiple?

2:03

Did all of our people go over there?

2:10

Great.

2:14

We left them alone.

2:23

Oh.

2:23

What the messed up?

2:26

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, well.

2:29

Yeah, that'd be good for that.

2:30

Where?

2:30

So thank you.

2:39

What the heck?

2:40

Who's breaking things?

2:43

Yes.

2:44

Okay.

2:45

Yes, I'm telling you.

2:48

With a bang.

2:49

And then we'll pass these around during the presentation.

2:57

I'm gonna go see if he's actually well, I mean.

3:04

All right, the meeting is called to order.

3:06

Um December 3rd, 2025.

3:11

The Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission.

3:15

Uh we have no minutes to approve tonight.

3:19

Um we have one old business item.

3:23

2025 COA 399B, Old North Side, 1508 Broadway Street.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Historic Preservation█████████████████████████████████████████████56%
Engineering And Infrastructure███████████████████24%
Procedural███████9%
Public Engagement██████7%
Zoning and Land Use███4%
Summary of Proceedings

Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission Meeting (Dec 3, 2025)

The Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission convened on December 3, 2025, to conduct routine business, approve the 2026 work program, and hear a contentious new application regarding significant design amendments for a hotel project in the Wholesale District. The meeting opened with the approval of old business and the new work program, followed by a public hearing on a request to amend an approved Certificate of Appropriateness. The primary focus of the evening was the substantial alteration of the proposed design, including height increases and facade changes, which drew mixed reactions from commissioners and the applicant.

Consent Calendar

  • Old Business (2025 COA 399B): The Commission approved the negative findings for 1508 Broadway Street in the Old North Side without discussion or objection.
  • New Business: The 2026 Work Program was approved by unanimous vote following minor corrections noted by the staff.
  • Continuance: A request to continue hearing 656 East Arch Street (2025 COA 301) to January 7th, 2026, was unanimously granted.
  • Expedited Case: 316 North College Avenue (2024 COA 459), a request to alter/add rear extensions and a garage, was approved unanimously.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Anson Keller: Expressed disappointment with the new design, stating he found the loss of the "dramatic verticality" on the north facade and the "dumbing down" of the fenestration problematic. He noted that the darker brick would make the loss of shadow lines and projecting details even more noticeable, negatively impacting the building's "elegance." He stated he could not support approval in its current form due to the "watering down" of details that originally aligned with historic contexts like the Century Building.
  • Jeanette Sivlich: Expressed concern that the window reveals on the north elevation appeared shallower than originally proposed, potentially due to modeling or shadow. She noted the loss of banding at the base of the upper section made it look "floating" and observed that the corner pilasters on the east and west facades had become narrower, reducing vertical detailing. She stated she was "not a fan of the dark brick and the dark mortar," arguing that lighter brick would better allow the remaining reveals and projections to be read.
  • Michael Bivens: Expressed that while he liked the darker brick initially, he agreed that a "middle ground" color was necessary. He noted that the loss of the coved cornice and the "hard angular chamfer" top was a matter of taste that he missed. He stated that the horizontal banding at the third floor, which visually grounded the glass, was a "biggest strike" in the new design, making the building look like a "masonry building is being supported by a pane of glass."
  • Deesa Watson Summers: Observed that the rendering showed the north facade as "very flat" with a projection that "does not read at all." She stated the design did not read like the 19th-century precedent buildings of the district and lacked necessary articulation. She expressed support for approving the variance for height but stated she could not support the Certificate of Appropriateness for the design as presented.

Discussion Items

  • Applicant's Proposal (Tim Oakes, Melanie Park, Ratio Architects): The applicant explained that the changes (adding two stories to reach 197 feet, changing brick color to "dark iron spot," and altering detailing) were driven by the need to increase room ceiling heights and improve the guest experience while adhering to constructibility constraints. They argued the project remains the same in scope and orientation. The applicant asserted that the darker brick was chosen to match the historic CSX building on the site and to create a cohesive look with the terracotta.
  • Commission Deliberation: Commissioners debated the feasibility of the new masonry projections, with the applicant noting that structural engineering constraints required pulling back the brick reveals from the original design. Commissioners discussed the loss of specific historic details, including the cornice radius, corner articulation, and the visual transition at the third floor. Chris Steinmetz clarified that while the variance for height might be separable, the Certificate of Appropriateness required addressing the design changes.
  • Staff Recommendation (Meg Bush): Staff noted concerns regarding the loss of detailing but deferred to the Commission. Recognizing the Commission's substantive concerns about the design details, staff recommended splitting the application into two parts.

Key Outcomes

  • Variance Approval (Part A): The Commission unanimously approved Part A of the application (2024 COA 226 Amendment 1 and 2025 VHP-011), granting the Development Standards Variance to encroach into the sky exposure plane for the additional two stories.
  • Continuance (Part B): The Commission unanimously granted a continuance for Part B (the Certificate of Appropriateness for the design changes) to the January 7, 2026, hearing. The Commission requested that the applicant work with staff to address the concerns regarding masonry detailing, fenestration, and material color before the final design review.
  • Vote Tally: Both the motion to approve the variance and the motion to continue the C.O.A. passed with a vote of 8-0 (All in favor: Aye; No opposed).

Meeting Transcript

I don't want like the dry fit. Like I don't want the moisture wicking. Yes. Like cozy ones. Yeah. Quarter zips. North phase. I don't want. Well, I mean, are scrub pants professional wear? No. I don't think so. I had it for a while, but I don't think it's four. Huh? It's pretty good. They're new. They're like Land's End or LL Bean. Yeah. I think that's where we got our like shell jacket for the eye. Which I like to a zip-up jacket with on the back would be not everyone. We could do a zip-up jacket with the logo on the back. Oh yeah. But this is the place as a design. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Go pick it up while I when I see my dad. I still like to do that. Do they have like a fancy um do they have a seasonal pizzuki at BJ's? What are they? Do you know what they are? What's going on? Is it like a peppermint one? It's not even worth it. I'm junior to you guys see the did you see the thing that the state's doing? You can bring your infant up to six months old to work with you now. I think it's just to give people take a vlog of alternative. So what's getting a multiple? Did all of our people go over there? Great. We left them alone. Oh. What the messed up? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, well. Yeah, that'd be good for that. Where? So thank you. What the heck? Who's breaking things? Yes. Okay.

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