Okay, I call to order the uh public works committee meeting for the city of Jackson on the agenda.

We have uh hopefully if legal will when legal gets here, we can have that discussion on the Metro Jackson Water Authority, get an update from the city.

But also uh while we wait, while we're here, I want to go through several items with the public works committee uh with the public works director.

Mr.

Anderson, how are you today?

Doing just fine, sir.

Thank you.

Good, good.

Okay.

Um, you know, earlier we had discussions about coming up with a team approach.

I think Councilman Foot uh started that discussion about having a team approach to going out and uh taking care of Blight.

Okay.

Um have you been doing any work or exploring those that concept?

Yes, sir.

We uh just uh Lorenzo Anderson Public Works Director.

Uh we just left a meeting about Blight, but it was more on the demolition side, um, see what we could do internally for you know the housing and demolitions, but as far as the one point uh can you hear me?

Okay, uh as far as the 1.4 million the 1.4 million, uh that's better.

Yeah.

Uh the 1.4 million dollars on equipment.

Uh we are uh going to do it by cruise where uh in the past we didn't have the equipment and the personnel.

Uh we are working with the parks personnel that we uh inherited for parks and rec.

But once we get the priority list from uh administration and council on the number of parks that we want to do, we can schedule that out.

Uh what I vision is uh dedicated blights where that's all they do.

They do curb and gutters, they do tree removal, they do uh anything as far as blight, uh area that has been grown up.

Um it's a nuisance uh dedicated net.

Um, and I will um more than likely get a part of the list from the council on that too.

Um concentrate on that area, that crew, uh move on to the next.

Because once we we do it, we want do it, we want to do it more like a clearing and grubbing because it uh piecemeal, you know, uh going from the south side and one time and then going to you know, northwest or northeast Jackson.

We want to make a visual impact and and have a schedule where we're gonna be in this area for two, three months out of the summer.

Everyone can see the impact in the area, and then we move on to the next.

But uh that's how we we plan on uh implementing the uh light program.

Okay.

Um questions about that.

The um I've got a follow-up on concerning the equipment stuff that uh Councilman Hartley's worked so hard to uh get us to order and get in place.

Um I have to go back to my days in the army when we had lots of equipment that's similar to what what branch you're in.

But see, one of the things that um were you in the space for that was that were you in the Space Force?

Was I in the one?

Space Force.

I I was in the U.S.

Army.

Okay.

So the well, one of the things in the artillery was in the cavalry, which I was also in, but the was that um people had their own equipment and they were responsible for that equipment.

It may be a Jeep driver, it might be you know, a Hummer driver, it might be a tank, it might be an ammunition carrier.

But those people, you know, they knew where their equipment was.

They you know, they took care of it because it had to work for them tomorrow and the next day.

And I wonder what kind of setup we've got within the public works department and also JPD as well.

They probably have their own cars that they drive, but I think there's you know, connecting the operators with the equipment so they can hold each other accountable.

Uh, I think is an important part of of being operationally sound and being ready to go on the job at the first, you know, the crack of dawn or whenever you get ready to go, that they're out there working and not trying to get their vehicle started or something like that.

Right.

So I I don't know what system you want to come up with, but I think there needs to be a connection between the operators and their equipment and the their responsibility to take care of that equipment.

Um I did submit that um additional um personnel just for their reason for crews.

Um right now, just for example for drainage and bridges.

That's one division of public works.

And he is dedicated to that jet truck.

But as far as the other equipment operators, I wanted to public work set up where we have an equipment operator, and all they do is drainage.

You know, we have a drainage crew, not someone we have to take off to fix a storm drain.

We have a storm drain crew.

I think we'll be more efficient.

We can uh respond to our 311 calls better that way.

Um I think you know the citizens will love it because it'd be like, hey, we can have a set schedule.

As it is now, we have to, like you say, he may go from the drainage of an excavator, or he may go to uh driving a dump truck, you know.

So it's more of a moving park, but we have dedicated crews.

That's what they do all day.

They're actually gonna be more efficient because that's what they do all day.

Uh curb and gutter, things like that, uh, ditches, uh storm, bridge repairs, things like that.

So I think um it was minimum what I submitted, but as I think the city would see more work, I think it will be more of uh investing in internal or internal people.

So thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

I um I like the direction it's going.

I actually have a few follow-up questions about the blight team, but um, I think I mentioned to you previously I've got to leave a minute or two before three.

And so might I recommend that we turn to the absolutely okay, thank you.

Absolutely.

Uh we have uh do we have anybody else on any other council?

Okay, so let's go ahead and get uh to our executive session to make sure that we can uh capitalize on this quorum.

Uh yes, I'm moving over the executive closed session for purposes.

Second.

Okay.

Um before we vote, uh is there anything that we need to put to out to the public because we're gonna be discussing for purposes of going to executive session.

We're going in to talk about uh the pending litigation regarding the city's water and sewer system.

Okay, yes.

Back in section with the public works uh committee, uh, and there was no action taken.

Uh and I think Mr.

Parkinson has to leave us.

We hate that, but we will continue some of this discussion uh with the uh public works director that we had started concerning the uh team planning and how to incorporate that into uh the blight plan, blight management plan that we're gonna try to submit to this the Fed federal government in order to get funding.

So the team approach that we were talking about.

Right.

And uh sorry for the blight.

Um the team approach, uh support on uh dedicating specific crews to different, I would say, areas of the blight, like curb and gutter, tree removal, um, also blight is demolition, uh things that you know when you come to a city, it's the eyesore.

So once we um once we go through budget and see, you know, the personnel um and dedicating specific crews, meaning I don't have to pull uh drainage people to do storm sewer and things like that.

So if we can um I guess get the consensus or uh once it's approved, we can have a better idea how many crews we can have and how fast we can go and work in specific areas for a dedicated uh amount of time and then move on to another so we can have a significant impact on the area.

I understand.

And and obviously we're gonna balance out between people around the city seeing some type of improvement.

Uh, but one of my other questions is our road crews right away, like our contractor, are they separate?

They're gonna be separate from this work, correct?

Yes.

Um we have two different types of um, I would say crews.

We have a construction crew, well, contractor crew that's working on which the council approved uh for the major thoroughfares that you all receive that email.

Um that's gonna be taken care of through the contractors.

I think that's the best way to take care of that until we get a hybrid where we have a um internal cut for grass cutting, like you may have a side street that has a median that was put in 20 years ago.

Um, and also we have um parks crew where we're cutting the parks too.

So I think you know, in the residential, we have some residential parks.

All this is part of the the blight uh initiative.

Okay.

And so uh right now, people what can they expect to see right now?

Uh right now, the country the contract started um Monday.

They started cutting.

Um we were just on Woodrow Wilson.

Uh we got some phone calls about that, but they just started Monday, you know, it rained and we had the storm.

Um I would like to say that too about the storm Saturday.

Uh we have several trees out.

We have around 40 trees, and uh I think power was out on a high percentage of uh the city.

Myself too.

Four days.

Uh I woke up with no lights.

Um, but you know, we are taking care of it, uh, getting the roads open.

We did the first uh measure is to make it safe, blocking it off, blocking the road off, and then we take care of uh actually a proud of the team.

Um we had the parade that Saturday, and we had the Mississippi Mass Choir uh that Saturday too, and we uh opened it uh the roads up and uh in time.

But um that's what's going to take to the overall parks, grass cutting.

Uh that's what the public can see now is contractors out doing the major thoroughfares.

Uh we have uh 26 people cutting the parks and we're trying to get the um is that contractors?

No, 26 eternal uh Jackson workers.

Yes, Jackson employees uh cutting.

And um we have a hundred and eleven square miles to cover, so you can just do the math on how big the task is, but once um with the contractors with the eternal with the uh additional equipment, I I think we'll see a lot this summer.

Okay.

So with the 26 people that you have cutting the parks and stuff, do we have a schedule?

No when they're being our parks or something.

Yes, uh, we went over it last week and just a few few minutes ago.

Um we have it, but it's tentative dependent on the priority.

I know it's been some discussion on we just can't cut every part every 10 days.

That's that's not possible.

Realistic.

So I think uh uh CAO has uh had discussions with you all on top three or four or five parks to see if we could have some faith-based group or some kind of group that would adopt a park or something like that.

I think with that discussion, it will help us uh reduce the number of times that we can cut a park or increase the number of times we could cut a park because some park that's highly used, we would cut that like every seven or ten days.

Uh a park that's not used or have been used that much, I would say.

Um you probably can do that once every 15 or 20 days uh with the people we have now.

But once we um I guess rearrange what the priorities are, we could be more efficient on what we can manage.

So okay.

Uh so we're we're looking for um church groups, um sororities or you know, anybody.

Yeah, yeah, anyone out there that can give us a hand with the parks.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

All right.

Uh but immediately, what are folks can what can folks expect to see for us a relief?

Um the right-aways.

Yes, the right-a-ways.

Um, you should see them out there just even though it rained this week.

You can see them out now.

Um just on the list on the top of my head, Buddy Buzz Park, uh, Woodrow Wilson, I know 80, uh, how about 80?

Um, just major thoroughfares being they have we we pay them on cycle, so they don't get paid um unless they pick up the litter before.

Pick up litter before.

Um they cut, take pictures of it before and after because sometimes they cut and somebody may throw a sonic, I'm sorry, uh fast food cup out.

We won't get a lawsuit from Soccer.

Right, right.

That's right.

A fast food cup out.

And um they, you know, it was after they cut and everything.

So they take a picture before and after.

And uh we have a manager, Mr.

Kitt managing uh the contractors, and this was that first cycle, and we had to someone dropped out of the contracting in uh Ward 7.

So the contract that took over his award, we uh they had to rearrange their crews.

So they're out uh since Monday, but you'll you'll see them see them working.

But you'll you'll see them see them working.

We're working at the Kinks the first week or two, but they would not get paid, they get paid by cycle.

So they have two cycles per month in the summer.

So when would we cover the entire city?

Um the major thoroughfares, we will cover those in a week uh a week and a half.

Um the entire city is going to take a minute to streamline it because first areas we don't but the major thoroughfares folks can see relief for the grown-up stuff within a week.

Yeah, so we have a week and a half.

Yeah, we have like 14 crews working.

Okay, you know, the these contractor probably got about two or three crews working.

Okay.

The the other question.

Um other questions for my information.

The um so we got 26 people cutting grass, is my understanding.

So employees, I would say.

Employees, okay.

How many um mowers do we have?

Does the city have?

Um, we don't have that.

I mean, they now have the I I would say probably I know we ordered four for the blight, so that's for extra, I would say half the employees probably 14, 15.

So we got 14 or 15 mowers, okay.

Um the so obviously you can't have all 26 people cutting the grass on mowers at the same time.

The uh so we've got they merged or uh the public the parks and rec department um which used to cut grafts, they're they've been merged with just you or did part of them go to planning?

Yes, uh only 26 came to public works.

That's that's what the transition is the part that the more we know the skill and everything, we can be more efficient.

Uh we we received 26.

I think it was I don't know how many was in there before, but we received 26 just for grass cut.

So the so you you've got do you have now have a grass cutting department or sub department for okay, and so all 26 those of those, did you already have some in, or is this this does they constitute the whole grass cutting the department?

That's that's the whole crew that we receive from parks and rig.

Okay.

They have three superintendents where they uh or managers, um crew leaders, I would say that separate the grass cutting in different areas.

So they may have 38 uh maybe one may have 25, it's just different areas that we identified.

Where do you keep all the lawnmowers?

Uh some are at the parks and rec.

Uh where's the department of rec headquarters?

Uh I don't know the street.

I can't uh is that open is that Michael Avalon or public works.

Um parts and is it uh no that's uh carrier maintenance.

Okay, is it over there by uh cat some catching drugs?

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, uh right.

So that is that we're all there they have a maintenance shed for their lawnmowers then do they stay?

I haven't did a thorough on what needed is exactly parks and rec far as improving their equipment.

Um we haven't done a thorough since it's entry.

I know what public works, but with the added crew out of I don't know.

So you got all these new people, okay.

And then how many people went to planning?

Does anybody know that?

Do you know how many people?

Mr.

Hartley, you know how many people went to planning from parks and rec.

No planning, um human and cultural resources.

Oh, human and cultural resources.

Okay.

Okay, good.

Let's see.

The we need a briefing from human cultural surface research uh resources on how what they're gonna do with these parks and wreck people.

Now I'm of the belief that we've got too many parks for the city, and that we need to come up with some creative solutions to that.

Um it'd be great if they could all be like parm bridges.

You know, I I can't take credit for that.

That's some local people who just stepped in and have really adopted that park, and it's a great way to try to to address this.

They've you know continue to raise money and and come up with ways to spruce up uh parm bridges so it's user-friendly and and uh in a good place for for folks to go um work out and do other things.

Um the I think it's a real problem because it it's so much space.

I mean, the um uh particularly Buddy Butts Park, that's a giant park.

It's you know, used to when I was growing up in Clinton, that was that was part of Clinton.

And uh City after I left high school and and left left Clinton, the um about five years later, Jackson annexed it and took uh all the buddy butts park stuff.

good place for for folks to go um work out and do other things um the but i think it's a real problem because it it's so much space i mean the um uh uh particularly buddy butts park that's a giant park it's you know it used to when i was growing up in clinton that was that was part of Clinton and uh city after I left high school and and left left Clinton the um about five years later Jackson annexed it and took uh all the Buddy Butts Park stuff and and now we don't have the resources to take care of it which is not fair to anybody it's not fair to the citizens who want to use it or whatever and um you know it it you the we can um take the 26 people and move them over to public works but that still doesn't mean we've got enough people to cut all the grass and all the stuff needs to be taken care of so it's really something the leadership of the city needs to tell you know somebody in the department that hey it's your your you know yeah it's a it's a lot turn on your mic please I'm sorry I'll I would just anyway so um it it's we've got to do some brainstorming about how to take care of these things in a way that's positive for the city and and uh it gets back to the eight page letter that um Mr.

Tavison sent us about two or three weeks ago about the modernization and all how do we take a city we you know that used to be is this big and we but we don't have the resources that we did you know um 20 years ago to to take care of this uh but I you know the um that's a big monumental task just um running those 26 mowers or 26 uh grass cutting employees with um 14 to 15 mowers um and keeping them you know getting the task done by itself what do you have in mind for them once the grass stops growing back come November or so vacation I think it's enough cleaning um usually around winter time it's a lot the good good time to prune uh um treat a lot of tree treatment I would say because you you don't have as much I guess bushy trees and things like this so pruning cleaning up um and I'm it's a work in progress by the way okay um never been a park director but I I'm pretty understanding I'm uh built some parts I would say uh equipment things like that updating the equipment uh painting the equipment make sure all the safety issues are are uh prepared the things like that so it's enough to do I would say okay for on the on the um folks who are with the golf courses uh they obviously used to be part of parks and rec do they do they go over to human and cultural services yes sir so they're at human and cultural services with all okay all right another reason me to talk with human cultural service absolutely and perhaps we need them in the this meeting or planning meeting or one of the other meetings uh I have a couple just a couple of things for you uh first of all we're going through our budget uh briefings public work on concerning the budget I know you need more people right but go ahead and stay there you already have my answer we need more people and uh updated equipment um I know I understand the deficit that we're in uh we're doing the best we can do with what we have but um I have the overall you know vision of the city how you know I want people to uh put in a call and have faster responses and um I think well I know we're gonna need more personnel and also uh with the institutional knowledge of the people that are are already here is to keep them I would say um we have to be competitive in our um how can I say our prices or our our wages and that said I don't want to lose the good people that we have um um and be I won't be competitive so that's the overall goal in public works uh and and the faster we can uh get to a approved budget you know with the uh increased personnel I didn't expect to go over uh our equipment um but I think as far as equipment I know we purchase a lot of equipment just person it purchasing it and booking lump sum I think doing the with the lease purchase we can save on our annual budget if we spend five hundred thousand dollars on um a truck I would say least purchase it for fifty thousand dollars a year and we probably could get 10 you know um and then have the option to buy at the end of it so I think that's a way that we can save on our budget there.

And uh I think I think we're supportive of public works trying to uh get everything it needs to take care of our city.

So let me add one other thing that involved public works, but I think um as far as a um uh a long-term solution that I think could really help Jackson the uh way back when we first started the techs, you know, the um uh abandoned house and blight task force was a black blight task force involved abandoned houses and bought abandoned commercial buildings, whatever.

Uh in the process, we met with um uh councilman Hartley and I, and I think it was uh Mrs.

Um Evers as well, one Evers met with the um or had at least a phone call with the the gal from uh HUD about um coming up with a um some assistance from the housing and urban development funds from the federal government, and this could be the thing that really could could be a game changer for us as regards blight and other situations around the city.

We've got and we started a master plan, we started to draft that, but then other things came along.

So we haven't completed that.

But if we could get some assistance from uh the city legal department and perhaps the planning department to complete this um master plan uh and run it by the the lady at at um HUD and see if there's any adjustments we should make in it, and then submit it to HUD.

That we need a you know this needs to be an industrial scale operation if we're gonna really get control of the of the blight and the uh challenges that Jackson faces right now.

Yeah, and and I agree, and Mr.

Anderson.

I need for you to come up with your side of the plan because that's the parts that's missing in this blight plan is the in-depth strategy.

Okay, we are we're expending money, we get equipment, just develop your overall concept and your plan of how we're going to approach this and what's needed.

If we can plug that in and then get what code uh with uh code enforcement plug their community uh improvement uh section in there, then I think we will have enough to go to the um to the feds and say, hey, here's the first draft.

What are we missing?

Right.

And so if you could get uh something like that, uh again, it don't have to be all the details, but it has to be sort of go on your vision.

And uh the other thing would be I would I would encourage you, just like we want to get some assistance from the city legal department.

No, you've got Mr.

Williamson who is an attorney that works with public works.

Yes, sir.

I would ask him to help you um work on this and come up with the public work section of it.

I think that the fact that we've ordered all this equipment and all is a real feather in the cap of the city that we're making our, you know, we're not just asking for a big handout, we're putting our own skin in the game and and doing some of the basic uh blocking and tackling that it needs to get the process underway.

And that's public works place a big part in that.

And I was with Mr.

Williamson's assistance because lawyers like to write stuff.

They're good at writing stuff much better than me.

And so the and they and they are they understand the processes and all better than I do anyway.

And um the we also need to get a planning part of it uh along with programs and stuff that that uh that you know that's their sort of core um uh you know expertise and then and core competency, and then we after we get to that, we can go get the people the gal from HUD, what's her name, is Williams?

Shea Williams.

Shea Williams and sit down with her and say, okay, what we're missing parts do we are we uh do we need here?

And then complete that out and then turn it over to HUD.

I mean, HUD's got billions of dollars.

And and they can they they're used to doing industrial type um fixes.

They gave Baltimore like two or three billion dollars to to do this blight elimination way back two or three years ago.

In fact, you know, when I met with the U.S.

attorney Todd G, um, you know, that's who he recommended we we look at is what Baltimore did for about blight elimination.

And um, and he because he he was familiar with with um the he was a deputy director of the public integrity department for DOJ.

So he really knew he knows what's going on at the national level.

And uh they did HUD's done big stuff in Detroit.

They've done big stuff in other cities too.

And so this is our chance to get you know uh some you know get some real muscle in here to address this, but we need we need to show good faith that we've already you know done a lot of the blocking and tackling and do this, and we can get that if we can get that plan done in the next you know two months, that would be awesome.

We we are uh we just had a meeting about that plan of that right and the um the planning department administration uh planning department has their plan.

So we like you said, we're on the same page that we're getting an overall comprehensive plan.

Yeah because if we concentrate, they have uh playing planning director Brown uh has a demolition plan, and then we're gonna implement our blight plan with that.

Uh I think that's going to and we incorporate into our GIS.

So it could be a visual of the areas and like a before and after, and I think it's gonna help the city um uh look better and it's gonna eliminate you know the morale the morale or increase the morale of you know, hey, you can see things in this area that changed, you know, with efforts on the public work side and in plan decide.

So yeah.

And so look, we need to push that, push that call on down the road.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, and so if you need any assistance from me or any other resources from other folks, and uh maybe understanding how what we need to do, and just call on me, Councilman Foote.

Uh we're a part of that blight team initially.

Uh and we even did an interview with Senator Horn at the time.

So he's familiar with it as well.

So thank you.

I think that's about all we'll go around the table.

Oh, yeah, one more thing, please.

I want to uh pass out something here again.

I do not endorse any particular company, but I want us to start thinking about council.

Uh one last thing.

This whole issue with uh with the water has brought out some weaknesses that we have.

And one is a lot of our citizens, uh their lines are break.

They are unaware of uh certain situations and then and so forth.

So I want us to start maybe thinking about using some other type of uh system or some other type of help from the outside.

Uh, and that is some company that can help residential owners take care of their pipes from the where the city leaves off responsibility to their homes.

Because now we're seeing that we have a lot of folks out there, they may not have been aware of leaks, they may not have the resource to fix it.

But again, just coming up with some options, and I do not endorse any particular company, but I passed out something where someone had sent me and charge it maybe about $10 or uh nope, $349 per month.

And again, I think it might be helpful at least we entertain that discussion, perhaps even with the city's uh blessing, put out an RFP and just kind of see what's out there.

But we need to be in a position where we can be proactive.

We don't need folks to their water bill to get up, you know, past a thousand dollars, and then they have this thing investigated where the leaks were.

We need to be working to prevent that as much as possible.

I'm glad you brought that up, councilman.

Um speaking of service lines, once we have an issue throughout the city where you know uh councilman foot, it was one of our first meetings where a sewer line is a uh resident line and it cross our public street, and usually they cost $3,500 from Jackson Water, and the thing is it's a private line, but it's a difference between who's gonna pay for it, is Jackson Water gonna pay for it, or is the citizen gonna pay for it?

The city once you know, they're having a service line issue.

Some of the citizens say I can only have $3,500 to pay for this service line.

We're talking to um legal now about drafting a stop gap.

When I say stop gap, I mean in the meantime, it's resolved because our street is being affected.

We have an open cut in the street.

Someone driving down the street, don't care if it's a service, uh a private line or if it's Jackson Water.

Um if we implement a stop gap to say, hey, we will fix it or use a service like this.

Um we can go toward the resident, or we go towards Jackson Waters who reimburse us.

Now I know we probably have like I know about 20 issues like that uh throughout the city.

So that's something we're we're looking at because it's a great area between holding the citizen or resident responsible, and they can't afford it, or you know, don't want some some people just don't want to pay it, you know, it's not affecting me.

Um and then Jackson Water is saying our service stops at the main.

So we are working on this, so we should see something pretty soon.

I think legal is working on that.

So we'll I think they'll help us with our street issues because people they'll see a cone there for uh a year and say the city hasn't did anything, but actually it's going it's a it's a legal issue.

Uh I've got the poster child for that problem on Fallview Street.

Right.

And uh right off of not by close to Ridgewood Road and Plantation.

And it's a huge liability for the city because we own the streets, and I've got Jackson Water to come out and check this about a year ago, and they looked at it.

There's just gigantic hole that you can take a bath in if you had enough hot water.

You it's I I stood up in my up to my waist in the hole.

This is the the sinkhole on the side of the curb of the of the homeowner.

Now, the homeowner, I think he passed away, and there's nobody in the house right now, and I think his son who may own the house lives somewhere else.

I tried to reach out to him, I couldn't contact him.

Couldn't couldn't get you know reach out and and reach him anyway.

But um, so Jackson Water came and looked at it, and they said we can't fix this because the the brake is in the sewer line underneath the yard.

All right.

The problem is that it's gotten so bad that the hole on the street side of the curb is gigantic as well.

I mean, it's about this big around.

If a car went in there, somebody could really get hurt if it's late at night or something like that, and they're driving down the street, the whole fire would disagree.

Is it flagged or marked or anything?

Well, they've got barrels there for a couple of years.

But I mean, the the it's it's really um discouraging for nothing to be done if you live in that area.

Nothing gets done, and you go, nobody cares.

Well, people do care, but you get tied up because well, it's everybody's pointing their finger at somebody else about whose fault it is.

And if the if the person living in the house is left, you know, you can't find the homeowner if you can't find the slowly gonna erode into the roadway.

Oh, it's already in the roadway.

Right.

I mean, I mean, that's generally I'll fix you a picture.

I mean, it's okay.

But anyway, it's a serious issue, and I'm I'm glad that they're trying to um glad to hear that they're working on some kind of stopgap.

Because we can't just sit there and say, well, we can't fix this because the homeowner is not here, right?

It's actually out of the road.

That the courts, if somebody got hurt in that house, we don't need that liability.

You know, they they would uh laugh us out of the courtroom.

Right.

Uh one final assignment.

Long-term thinking, realizing that we have the Yazoo Clay, realizing that we have the old pipes, realizing that we have potholes and we have broken lines as a result of that Yazoo Clay.

We need to start looking down the road, finding out what other municipalities or whoever is doing things, flexible piping, uh different patches, something to help out because we know this is our reality.

Yazo Clay is not going away.

So we have to prepare.

So long term assignment, let's consider that going going down the road in our purchases.

Okay.

All right, folks.

Thank you so much for attending.

Uh, thank you, counsel.

And uh this meeting is adjourned.