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Financial Audit and Oversight Committee Meeting on JTA - October 23, 2026

City Council — Friday, October 23, 2026
BodyJacksonville, Florida
SessionCity Council
DateFriday, October 23, 2026
StatusFILED
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Speaker 1

0:02

Okay, welcome everyone to the um October 23rd Financial Audit and Oversight Select Committee focused on JTA.

0:12

Welcome especially to the uh team members from JTA.

0:19

And let's please get started by introductions, starting with Mr.

0:25

Russell

Speaker 2

0:26

Brandon Russell, Council Research.

Speaker 3

0:28

Mary Stefopoulis, Office of General Counsel.

Speaker 2

0:30

Philip Peterson, Council's Office.

0:32

Brian Barks, Council Auditor's Office.

Speaker 1

0:34

Ron Salem, group two at large.

0:36

Chris Miller at large group five.

Speaker 2

0:39

Joe Carlucci, District Five.

Speaker 4

0:45

Roy Diamond, District 13, and Nick Holland at large group three.

Unassigned speaker

0:49

Oh no, that's not how we do it

Speaker 4

0:51

the beaches.

Unassigned speaker

0:53

There it is.

Speaker 1

0:56

All right, thank you all very much.

0:59

What I'd like to do is as it says on the agenda here, is start off with any of um the follow-up matters that we left open from the last meeting, and and please feel free to add to this.

1:17

I want to make sure anything we asked for or anything we wanted to discuss or address that that we've actually uh gone back and made sure, especially the committee members or uh the president and and I consider him uh because he's in liaison the JTA council member uh diamond um as is about as close to a committee member as you can get here.

1:47

Um if there's anything we have, and I have a list of things that I I pulled from the last meeting, but I'll I'm gonna kind of leave that open.

1:57

If any of you have some things you want to follow up with, especially JTA members who are here.

2:04

If you if you haven't received some of the things that you were looking for, ask about now would be the time if you uh if you want to bring those things up.

2:13

Um so we we're gonna start out with past president Salem recognized.

Unassigned speaker

2:21

Thank

Speaker 5

2:21

you, Chair.

2:22

Through the chair to Mr.

2:23

Peterson, you have a I think you have an update on the COVID dollars and how much they received and how it was used within the JTA budget.

Unassigned speaker

2:33

Do

Speaker 5

2:33

you have a handout or anything?

2:34

Or just

Speaker 2

2:35

I do not have a hand, I was just gonna talk through it.

2:37

Okay.

2:37

Um it's nothing sexy for lack of a better word.

2:42

Um they received a little over 135 million in COVID dollars.

2:47

Um that was scattered over uh five-year time period.

2:52

And I will caveat that with we pulled this information from their annual comprehensive financial reports, um, which the most recent one as far as grant reporting is as of September 30th, 2024.

Unassigned speaker

3:06

Can

Speaker 5

3:06

I stop?

3:07

You said over how many years?

3:08

I didn't quite hear that.

Speaker 2

3:09

So there are expenditures of COVID dollars over a five-year time period.

Speaker 5

3:14

Okay.

Speaker 2

3:15

The most recent year, which is the the last year we have, except ending September 30th of 2024, there was only 150,000.

3:24

So I would expect to see that be next to zero in the 930 25 um grant reporting when that is issued by JTA.

Unassigned speaker

3:33

Uh

Speaker 2

3:33

so 135 million dollars.

3:35

And then where it went, um, based on our review, it it either went to operations or was used for paygo on capital um projects.

3:50

There was no um uptick in their budgets in the early years in which it started rolling in.

3:57

Obviously, 2020 was the first year um that the budget for 2020, 2021, and even kind of 2022, there was no significant increase in their in their budgets for those years.

4:11

In 2023, there was a was kind of the first large jump year over year.

4:16

Um so based on that, based on what's included in their annual report, uh those doll those COVID dollars just went to fund normal operations and or went to reserves and or was used for capital projects.

Speaker 5

4:32

Yeah, I continue.

4:33

Can you uh through the chair to Mr.

4:36

Peterson, can you separate it out?

4:39

Because if it went towards paygo, that's great.

Unassigned speaker

4:43

Um from my standpoint, but if it went towards operations, my my concern would be did we mask some um operational shortfalls that would have started possibly a lot earlier if not for the COVID dollars.

Speaker 2

5:01

Through the chair to council member Salem.

5:04

So the expenses associated with those dollars would have been in their normal annual reporting to you as a counsel to us uh as the auditors via their quarterly summary.

5:17

So there's a line item in their budget, and I believe it's called federal, state, and local grants.

5:22

That shows up in each of their entities, the bus, Skyway, CTC, um, ferry, and then also their general fund.

5:32

And so the dollars would have been reported in in those budgets as revenue coming in, and then would have either been spent on operations or fall into reserves as excess or surpluses for the year.

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Public Finance█████████████████████████25%
Public Transportation██████████████████████22%
Public Engagement████████8%
Procedural████4%
Ethics and Governance███3%
Personnel Matters██2%
Summary of Proceedings

FAO Committee JTA Oversight Meeting - October 23, 2026

The Financial Audit and Oversight (FAO) Select Committee of the Jacksonville City Council convened on October 23, 2026, to continue its in-depth review of the Jacksonville Transportation Authority's (JTA) financial management. The meeting covered follow-up items from previous sessions, a presentation from JTA CFO Randall Barnes on the FY27 budget, the Local Option Gas Tax (LOGT) loan, JTA's current financial condition, and the causes of its fiscal distress. The committee also discussed the recent Fitch Ratings downgrade of JTA's issuer default rating.

Consent Calendar

  • None.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • No public comments were heard; due to time constraints, the Chair deferred all public comment to the next meeting scheduled for November 2, 2026, where no time limit will be imposed.

Follow-Up Items from Prior Meetings

  • Council Auditor Philip Peterson reported that JTA received approximately $135 million in COVID-19 relief funds over five years, used for operations and capital projects. He noted no audit findings of misuse, but could not confirm whether the funds masked underlying operational shortfalls without deeper transaction-level review. Council Member Ron Salem expressed concern that the end of COVID dollars may have coincided with the emergence of JTA's deficits.
  • Chair Chris Miller requested documentation on fiduciary responsibilities for JTA executives and board members, including oaths, board policy manuals, and ethics training records. He asked JTA to provide current versions without specific names.
  • Council Member Salem requested analysis of cost savings from proposed paratransit cuts and furloughs that JTA had considered earlier in the year, as well as a timeline of CFOs over the past two years.
  • Chair Miller announced he is reaching out to former CFOs (Greg Hayes, Raj Surinath, Heather Abora) and former board chairs (Debbie Buckland, Andre Wallace) to appear before the committee. Former CEO Nat Ford was served a subpoena on October 22 and has agreed to testify; a date is being coordinated.

Discussion Items

  • JTA FY27 Budget and Actions: CFO Randall Barnes outlined the approved $139.2 million operating budget for FY27, which had been passed by the JTA board and city council. He contrasted it with FY26 unaudited actuals, revealing a $42 million shortfall. JTA responded by reducing its workforce by approximately 200 employees, suspending Skyway and Navi services, and moving to a modified Saturday bus schedule. A new “working budget” is being implemented to replace what Barnes characterized as a “fictional” approved budget that had been constructed by making indiscriminate, across-the-board cuts without proper cost analysis. The working budget includes tighter controls and will be used for accurate variance reporting starting in November.
  • LOGT Loan: JTA was authorized to borrow $30 million from its Local Option Gas Tax (LOGT2) funds. The primary use will be to pay down a $25 million line of credit, saving an estimated $1.5 million per year in interest. Barnes confirmed that the loan will comply with all reporting requirements.
  • Financial Condition and Fitch Downgrade: Barnes presented FY26 results showing a $40 million deficit, with expenses $32.9 million over budget due largely to labor and services (especially paratransit and NABI). Cash reserves had fallen to about $8 million, well below the board’s target of $41.6 million. Fitch Ratings downgraded JTA’s issuer default rating from AA+ to AA- with a negative outlook, citing diminished financial resilience and weak budgeting controls. Barnes noted that the downgrade affects overall reputation but not existing debt ratings, which are tied to specific revenue streams. He outlined credit-positive steps: the LOGT loan, the FAO committee’s oversight, a planned external audit, and stricter governance.
  • Budget Process Failures: In response to questions from Council President Nick Howland and Council Member Roy Diamond, Barnes confirmed that the budget team (reporting to the CFO) had unilaterally cut line items to match revenue constraints without collaboration with operating departments. This practice, he stated, is not standard and left the budget unrealistic. Council Member Diamond stressed the need for accurate financial reporting to provide early warning of problems.
  • Paratransit and NABI Costs: The committee agreed to schedule future deep dives into paratransit cost drivers and the NABI (autonomous vehicle) project, including the associated maintenance facility cost overruns that consumed significant cash reserves. JTA’s General Counsel Cleveland Ferguson indicated that paratransit costs are rising and that the broader policy question of how to fund such services requires council input.

Key Outcomes

  • Subpoena for former CEO Nat Ford was served; he has agreed to testify. The committee will coordinate a date for in-person or virtual testimony.
  • Former CFOs and board chairs will be invited to future meetings to provide perspective on JTA’s financial decline.
  • No formal votes were taken by the committee, but consensus was reached to hold longer sessions (no time limit) starting November 2 to allow for public comment and extended discussion.
  • JTA committed to present detailed reports on paratransit operations and NABI project finances at upcoming meetings.

Meeting Transcript

Okay, welcome everyone to the um October 23rd Financial Audit and Oversight Select Committee focused on JTA. Welcome especially to the uh team members from JTA. And let's please get started by introductions, starting with Mr. Russell Brandon Russell, Council Research. Mary Stefopoulis, Office of General Counsel. Philip Peterson, Council's Office. Brian Barks, Council Auditor's Office. Ron Salem, group two at large. Chris Miller at large group five. Joe Carlucci, District Five. Roy Diamond, District 13, and Nick Holland at large group three. Oh no, that's not how we do it the beaches. There it is. All right, thank you all very much. What I'd like to do is as it says on the agenda here, is start off with any of um the follow-up matters that we left open from the last meeting, and and please feel free to add to this. I want to make sure anything we asked for or anything we wanted to discuss or address that that we've actually uh gone back and made sure, especially the committee members or uh the president and and I consider him uh because he's in liaison the JTA council member uh diamond um as is about as close to a committee member as you can get here. Um if there's anything we have, and I have a list of things that I I pulled from the last meeting, but I'll I'm gonna kind of leave that open. If any of you have some things you want to follow up with, especially JTA members who are here. If you if you haven't received some of the things that you were looking for, ask about now would be the time if you uh if you want to bring those things up. Um so we we're gonna start out with past president Salem recognized. Thank you, Chair. Through the chair to Mr. Peterson, you have a I think you have an update on the COVID dollars and how much they received and how it was used within the JTA budget. Do you have a handout or anything? Or just I do not have a hand, I was just gonna talk through it. Okay. Um it's nothing sexy for lack of a better word. Um they received a little over 135 million in COVID dollars. Um that was scattered over uh five-year time period. And I will caveat that with we pulled this information from their annual comprehensive financial reports, um, which the most recent one as far as grant reporting is as of September 30th, 2024. Can I stop? You said over how many years? I didn't quite hear that. So there are expenditures of COVID dollars over a five-year time period. Okay. The most recent year, which is the the last year we have, except ending September 30th of 2024, there was only 150,000. So I would expect to see that be next to zero in the 930 25 um grant reporting when that is issued by JTA. Uh so 135 million dollars. And then where it went, um, based on our review, it it either went to operations or was used for paygo on capital um projects. There was no um uptick in their budgets in the early years in which it started rolling in. Obviously, 2020 was the first year um that the budget for 2020, 2021, and even kind of 2022, there was no significant increase in their in their budgets for those years. In 2023, there was a was kind of the first large jump year over year. Um so based on that, based on what's included in their annual report, uh those doll those COVID dollars just went to fund normal operations and or went to reserves and or was used for capital projects.

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