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Joliet Pre-Council Meeting – June 15, 2026: Agenda Review and Public Hearing

Meeting PortalMonday, June 15, 2026
BodyJoliet, Illinois
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DateMonday, June 15, 2026
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0:02

And Mayor Terry Darcy residing, and I'm Mayor Pro Tem JM Quillman.

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We'll begin with roll call.

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Mayor Darcy.

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Here.

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Councilman Cardinals.

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Here.

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Councilman Clement?

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Here.

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Councilman Hugg.

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Here.

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Councilwoman Abarra?

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Here.

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Councilman Moreno.

0:20

Here.

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Councilman Mudron.

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Here.

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Councilman McCluman?

0:23

Here.

0:24

Councilman Gerdin.

0:25

Here.

0:28

Next is citizens to be heard on agenda items.

0:31

I have one person signed up.

0:34

Um, John Argadelis.

0:35

Want to start.

0:40

Good evening, John Argadellas.

0:42

I'm uh here on the uh Whimsey trucking matter, and this is uh proceeded through the process uh and has been uh supported uh at the PCC and planning commission and staff.

0:54

Um we worked with staff quite a bit on this, and it it's it's uh adjacent to an existing project that Whimsey owns already out.

1:04

Um there was just one issue that came up.

1:06

I just wanted to make you aware of it, so for your consideration as we go through tonight and tomorrow night, and that was the issue of stacking of containers.

1:14

Um we had requested uh be able to stack three high uh staff did not support that, and it was not supported at any level prior to the board of the council here.

1:23

Um I just wanted to give a little rationale on why we're requesting this, and we are still requesting it for the council.

1:30

The property, if you pay attention, or you will pay attention when you see it, it uh there's a back third of the property that's cut off by a gas pipeline.

1:38

Um we tried to get permission from the pipeline to put a asphalt over that so we could use that back portion of the property.

1:45

Uh they were not willing to work with us in that regard, so we cannot access that back triangle.

1:51

And you'll note this in your, I'm sure you have already.

1:54

Um the other issue was staff had asked for a uh pretty significant setback on the roadside, which we agreed to.

2:01

So what that does is with the setback and the loss of that back third, it sort of leaves us with a lot less land to use.

2:07

And we feel based on the volume we're gonna have that we'll have short-term stacking.

2:12

This will not be long-term stacking, it's just a day or two stacked, and then move things move in and out.

2:17

Um, and there is a history that uh the city, the council has approved stacking three and five high in some other cases.

2:25

Um there's a case on uh 3751 Cedar Creek Drive.

2:31

This is from 2016.

2:33

Uh there's more some more recent cases.

2:36

Uh there was a 22 case for um trying to get an address for you here.

2:43

But in 2022, in November, you approved uh stacking.

2:47

I believe this was a center point one uh 3350 Shanahan Road uh project.

2:53

So it's not unprecedented what we're asking for.

2:55

Joliet's done it before, and we'd ask you to consider this tonight and tomorrow as we go through the process.

3:01

So I'll stay for questions, of course, later.

3:03

Thank you.

3:04

Thank you.

3:10

Okay, is there anyone else who would like to speak under citizens to be heard on agenda items?

3:19

You all know me, I'm Kathleen Darkness.

3:21

I used to live on this property at 23656 Hobo Road.

3:25

This was my mother's property where I lived most of my life since I was AH.

3:30

Age of eight.

3:33

I always got taken out of this property because of Whimsy's I say you ax.

3:40

You know, they I wasn't allowed to be part of any negotiations on the price.

3:44

I wasn't even allowed to know who the buyer of this property of my mom's property was because they wanted to keep that all big secret.

3:51

Even though I have talked to Whimsy tried to find out who was trying to buy my Ma's place, I talked to Whimsy people, and I was told that they had no uh no uh no interest in buying my ma's property.

4:05

It's what I was told by various whimsy workers, but of course they did end up buying it, which was like I said, hell a big secret.

4:15

I wasn't even part of getting no negotiation, we can get you to see the sale contract thing till after it was sold.

4:22

I don't know who the buyer was till after it was sold and everything, and the attorney that they represented on Mr.

4:29

Mazar dat that they had used on the eviction of me to where I wasn't in the served notice.

4:37

And so I didn't know about the eviction at all, since they didn't serve me right or anything.

4:42

They figured they just put it in the Harold newspaper, which they knew I didn't get the Harrow newspaper either.

4:47

So I had no idea about the eviction.

4:50

And they end up getting the getting their uh default of uh judgment on me because of course I didn't know about it, I didn't get to show up for it to defend myself.

5:00

But that Mr.

5:00

Mazar Hidday that represented Whimsey trucking on it, he knew at that time at the eviction that he had the money from the estate.

5:09

I didn't get my share of my Mazda state money in my hands till.

5:16

So I'm still waiting.

5:18

And everything about getting that settled and everything.

5:22

And with all that time with him keeping the money and keeping me from giving my money and keeping me from getting another place.

5:30

They of course stole everything on the estate.

5:33

I had my $20,000 mower that I got from my boss like two months before he died, which I was using to take care of the place, which I think Whimsy is using now to mow their lot down there next door to the trucking terminal thing.

5:47

I took my ATV, all my other vehicles, my Jeep, me and my Ma share, my ma's other truck, and they took this 1987 F-250 pickup truck, which they hid from me, and lied to the attorneys, my attorney said that truck was crushed, and it was until I had the Carfax report done that they found out that somebody had that truck.

6:06

A guy named John Byrne had this truck to which somehow Whimsy gave this guy, you know.

6:11

John Burns got this truck from Whimsy trucking.

6:14

And he tore that truck needless to say up.

6:17

It was a mid-conditioned truck.

6:20

When I had that S whimsy trucking people after I found out it was them that bought it, they're threatening me about getting out.

6:26

They even came, you know, when they tried to do their own eviction on me at January 16th of 2024 when we had the sub-zero weather when they smashed the back door of the house in the back door, and they threatened me.

6:40

They said, You gotta get out because we're in bulldozers house tomorrow.

6:43

Well, the push sheriff will call out, and the sheriff found out they didn't have no permit to do it, and they didn't even have the right to try to do their own eviction on me.

6:50

Without using the World County civil processor.

6:56

But I want to have price from charges filed, of course.

6:59

I couldn't, you know, they wouldn't do the files, you know, file the charges for me or do a police report for me.

7:04

But I had to go back in the house with the back door wide open, and that's some zero temperatures coming in the house, and of course, the pipes burst, and the more got down the furnace.

7:14

But it's kind of ironic.

7:15

They they wouldn't do storage for me, but I have my 40 foot storage container there.

7:20

It was loaded, and they busted in it and took everything out of it.

7:24

So I asked you to deny.

7:29

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak under citizens to be heard on agenda items this evening?

7:36

Okay, seeing none.

7:38

Next, we will have the city manager review tomorrow night's actionable items.

7:41

Good evening, everybody.

7:44

Tomorrow we will have a reappointment to the zoning board of appeals.

7:47

We will hear from council committees finance and public service.

7:54

Consent agenda, approval of minutes, and invoices to be paid.

7:57

Council Memo number 30626, approval of change order number one for the advanced traffic management system phase B project to H Electric Company in the amount of eleven thousand two hundred and twenty-six dollars and seventy-five cents, and payment number two and final in the amount of two hundred and fifty thousand five hundred and sixty-nine dollars and eleven cents.

8:18

Council Memo 30726, approval of change order number two for the 2024 electrical maintenance assistance contract to meet electric company in the amount of 35,229.

8:32

And the amount of 35,229.

8:37

Council Memo 30826, approval of professional services agreement for land acquisition services for South and Neighborhood Shared Use Path to Senka Cruise Land Acquisitions and an amount not to exceed $70,500.

8:54

Council Memo 30926 approved payment of the 2026 wastewater discharge permit fees to the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency and the amount of 152,500.

9:07

Council Memo 31026, approval of amendment number two to the professional services agreement for the 2027 water main rehabilitation program for detailed design services to Baxter and Woodman and the amount of 181,200.

9:22

Council Memo 31126 authorization to fund draw 16 for tax increment financing district number seven and the amount of 3,402,923 and 50 cents.

9:38

Moving on to licenses and permit applications, Council Memo 3136, issuance of a Class C liquor license at 1501 New Lennox Road Love's Travel Stop.

9:48

Number 777, Oak is here to present to us and answer any questions.

9:54

Thank you very much.

9:55

Mayor of City Council, good evening.

10:00

Item number 313-26 is an application for a Class C liquor license for Loves Travel Center.

10:04

A Class C Lisker license authorizes sale as package for premise consumption.

10:08

Loves the truck stops and is adding a packaged liquor store with a separate entrance in its gas station and truck stop.

10:14

Liquor Commissioner's wrecking approval at this license.

10:47

Item 315-26, an application for addition to a Class D liquor license at El Sabor Latino at 2356 Essington Road.

10:56

A Class D license authorizes the sale of beer and wine on only on premise.

11:01

The restaurant is currently open, and owners would like to add beer and wine consumption to complement their food.

11:06

The liquor commissioners reckoning approval of this license.

11:19

A class B liquor license allows the sale of alcohol consumption on premise only.

11:23

The owner basically reopening the cork wine bar after buying out the previous partner.

11:28

The recon liquor liquor commissioners recommending approval of this license.

11:53

Liquor Commissioner is recognition is recommending the denial of this license.

11:56

Any questions or comments this evening?

11:59

Yeah.

11:59

Oh sorry.

12:03

Oh, sorry.

12:04

Thank you.

12:06

Thank you, Mayor.

12:07

I'm wondering why they applied for a license, and our employees that work here let them apply a license for a license they don't even qualify for.

12:16

For which one, I'm sorry, ma'am.

12:17

The last one.

12:18

They recommended denial.

12:20

We're recommending denying.

12:22

It's not that they don't qualify for it.

12:23

They applied for it, but we're just remaining the denial.

12:26

Okay.

12:26

Thank you.

12:27

You're welcome.

12:27

Well, can you what's a D exactly?

12:29

But what Class D.

12:31

A Class D.

12:33

It's just beer and wine only, so not a sell hard liquor.

12:37

That's premises only.

12:38

Premise only as well, correct.

12:40

Thank you.

12:40

Yep.

12:41

Uh item number 316.

12:43

You said uh I know right now they were closed and I had actually a few quests.

12:47

Someone had reached out to me about it.

12:49

So they changed the orders ownership.

12:50

Correct.

12:51

So that's why the changed ownership and had to reapply, so it's new owners, so that's the our normal process is a transfer, and then it would change it so it's new ownership and then we have new LLC and then new uh information from the state as well, so they'd have to reapply.

13:04

Thank you.

13:07

Thank you.

13:13

Okay, moving on to Council Memo 31926, public hearing for a resolution approving an annexation agreement for 23656 South Hobolt Road.

13:25

Um this is Whimsy Trucking.

13:31

Then under ordinances and resolutions, ordinance, council memo 321-26 ordinance is associated with 23656 South Hobold Road for an annexation and uh zoning classification to light industrial, which is I one.

13:49

Council Memo 3226 ordinances associated with two three six five six South Hobold Road.

13:57

Um, approving a special use permit to allow truck parking.

14:02

Um, and at compressed natural gas fueling is an accessory component and ordinance approving a variation of use to allow above ground fuel takes for compressed natural gas fueling in the light industrial district.

14:17

Council Memo 32326, ordinances associated with 23656 South Hobold Road, an ordinance approving a special use permit to allow container storage and stacking and ordinance approving a variation of use to allow container storage and stacking up to three high in the I-1 light industrial district.

14:39

This was um voted down by the zoning board of appeals, five to zero.

14:46

And I should note that light industrial I-1 zoning for us doesn't allow stacking.

15:00

We're also passing a special use for them to be able to have stacked one high, but we do have residences near there that the staff in zoning board of appeals took into account when thinking about whether or not it could be stacked any higher than one.

15:11

Yeah.

15:12

Did anybody come in opposition?

15:14

Any residents at the hearing?

15:16

I was not there, Dustin.

15:17

Did anyone come in opposition?

15:20

I would be happy.

15:22

I would be I would be happy to share with you the minutes after the meeting uh to give you a most accurate uh remonstrances for and against if that's okay with you, sir.

15:37

So it sounds like people showed up.

15:38

I got a question.

15:39

Um I'd like to hear it.

15:41

Oh, sorry.

15:41

No question.

15:42

Uh hey John.

15:43

So when you say three stacked, is it gonna be the the one the ground level one and two on top?

15:49

Yeah, or you're gonna just are you gonna have that's a request.

15:52

So the ground level and two on top.

15:54

I uh and regarding the other question, I I obviously was present at both meetings, and uh the uh person who spoke tonight was present at the other two meetings, but there were no other residents present if they received emails or things, if that's I don't know that, but president the meeting was just the other the woman that was here this evening, so that we didn't have residency.

16:14

Yeah, at first I was uh a little cautious about it.

16:17

I was like, eh.

16:18

Because I know there is a residence around there.

16:21

Um I took a drive down there today, and there's you have conglobal down the street from there, G4.

16:29

Everybody's stacked up to five high.

16:31

So I think having three stacked may not be huh.

16:36

Oh, sorry.

16:37

Councilwoman was just asking me quite a bit.

16:39

Yeah, yeah.

16:40

So there's there's a few locations that are stacked up to five high.

16:43

I've counted them, and I I don't see this one being three high being a huge problem.

16:50

So make on the city.

16:54

Fine, I asked the city manager a question.

16:57

Yeah.

16:58

Um the other stack five high, are they approved to stack five high?

17:03

So there as um Mr.

17:06

Argadell's said in the beginning, there are other locations where exceptions have been made for this.

17:12

There in areas that are largely industrial with no residential surrounding.

17:16

Um, but it has happened before.

17:18

There it has.

17:19

To be fair, one that he cited in particular, center point is completely contained within center point.

17:25

So nobody really sees that.

17:27

Right.

17:27

We don't want this to look like Detroit, Michigan, in my opinion.

17:31

And the compressed gas, thank you so much, Highway.

17:34

The compressed gas sounds so dangerous to me.

17:39

From what I understand, that's a pretty um routine function.

17:44

I don't know if you want to answer Dustin wants to answer, but uh maybe give the councilwoman a little more um information on that.

17:52

Yeah, it just it's that's kind of something new to me, as I was in you know, we're representing the client here.

17:58

And it is it's like a small cart that has the tanks on it so they can fuel uh the vehicles.

18:04

It's in you know, many times you have that like set tanks that are on a site that like a gas tank, but that's uh that's the compressed gas product, and it's you know it's regulated by the EPA, they have to follow all the safety rules just like uh any other fuel use.

18:18

But this one it would be a uh movable cart, but it is shown on a site plan as located on one certain portion of the property.

18:26

Okay, so they can't just go down the street to the gas and wash, it's the last thing I have.

18:31

It's uh it's not like gasoline, it's I don't know what they have to gas and wash, but natural gas?

18:36

Yeah.

18:36

So it's uh it's like a like a propane tank on your grill, if you will.

18:40

A little more sophisticated than that, but it's compressed gas, it's not gasoline or anything like that.

18:45

Okay, thank you.

18:47

So one more thing.

18:48

Oh, sorry.

18:50

Yeah, uh do you know how big is that warehouse that they just built right in front of that property?

18:54

I completely forgot about it, so right now.

18:56

It's either six hundred uh square feet or a million.

18:59

I don't know.

18:59

Maybe uh staff can help you with that.

19:01

Staff does anybody know by any chance?

19:03

I I'm not sure we answer your question.

19:06

Uh to the south, east, or right in front of it.

19:10

Right in front of it in front of to the east.

19:12

I mean, I can look at that up right now and tell you.

19:15

I think the yeah.

19:18

Yeah.

19:19

Do you mind?

19:20

Oh, go ahead.

19:21

All right.

19:21

Um so the reason that the plan commission voted it down was it's only because of the stacking issue.

19:29

The zoning um board of appeals, the zoning board voted five to zero to not allow stacking.

19:36

Right.

19:36

But the rest of it they were good with.

19:38

But the rest of it they were good with.

19:39

Okay.

19:40

Um, and please correct me if I'm wrong here anywhere.

19:43

That's accurate.

19:44

Okay.

19:44

So the zoning board of appeals, there's there's there's layers to the onion, right?

19:49

They they uh they uh voted to approve the annexation.

19:52

They voted to approve the classification of zoning to the I-1.

19:56

They voted to approve the compressed national gas.

20:00

They voted to approve the special use for uh container storage.

20:06

They did not vote to approve the request for container storage up to three high.

20:11

And I understand we've made exceptions in the past, a few.

20:14

But uh Councilman Marino, you know, if he's seen them five high, you know, I think we need to go look and see if if they have a legitimate, I don't recall ever having we fought this a long time ago.

20:26

I do vaguely remember approving a couple of times way in the heart of Center Point the three high stacking.

20:31

That was the top that was supposed to be.

20:33

Right.

20:33

I don't believe we ever so if it's number if people are doing five high, there's a fair chance that they're outside of what their special use allowed.

20:38

And I did discuss this with staff earlier to make sure we could get someone to go out.

20:42

Did you get any answers?

20:43

We do uh have regulations that do allow five high in some locations.

20:49

We have gone out there and we did look, we did find some people not complying with zoning, and they will get notices of violation.

20:56

Thank you.

20:57

That's what I appreciate.

20:58

And you're uh councilwoman, you're you're good.

21:00

You understand it's natural gas.

21:02

I think you were confused or concerned that it was like gasoline gas being missed.

21:06

Okay.

21:07

All right, that's down ahead.

21:08

Yes, thank you.

21:09

I took it right out there Sunday, and um there are two large residential homes on either side of this project, one just contiguous to the north, and one down a little bit south and west of it.

21:26

And I think that might have been the reason the optics of that for the lack of stacking.

21:32

You know, I think there has to be some consideration for the people that have been out there long before Whimsy trucking.

21:40

So that's why I took it right out because I did see three high and five high, but in places that were completely surrounded by other industrial users.

21:50

So these have, and if we threw a Google map up there, you could see one of them is probably a 20-acre with a pond in the nice house, and the other one's tucked in the back.

21:58

I didn't drive back there, but I think, and I could talk to a few of the people on zoning and get their thoughts.

22:03

So I'm gonna take a look at the meeting, but that might have been the premise in which they decided one high was fair.

22:11

Mayor mayor.

22:13

I just had one question, and I think that I'm I'm correct in this.

22:17

Um we are voting separately on the stacking.

22:20

Okay, yes.

22:23

There's a yeah, I'm I mean, I'm a little torn on.

22:26

I I agree with uh councilman Marino.

22:29

You know, there are other locations that have stacking, but you bring up a good forward mayor, there's two residential homes that that are there.

22:38

But you know, that's what that's what this area is uh has become.

22:42

I mean, now we're gonna hit the brakes, but I do you bring up your great point.

22:45

You got uh Martio and the other family that live out there.

22:49

Um, you know, maybe I think they're for sale or one of them's for sale.

22:53

Yeah, maybe down the road uh we could revisit this again, but I think I think it is fair that you know, if others are doing it.

23:00

I hate to hate to say no to this gentleman at this company, but you do up bring up good points with with the two residentials there, so kind of torn right now on it.

23:08

So thank you.

23:09

Thank you.

23:13

Okay, moving on.

23:14

Council Memo 324 26 ordinance repealing a previously approved variation of use to allow the reduction of a five unit to a four unit residence and R4 multifamily use in an R3 one and two family residential zoning district.

23:30

So the petitioner um has stated in their application that they're planning to convert the existing but vacant four unit building into two larger buildings which will match the the neighborhood around it a little bit better.

23:45

Council Member 32526.

23:47

Sure.

23:48

Sorry, I have a question.

23:48

Yeah, no problem.

23:49

This is a little bit confusing to me because I write it over and over again, and I did read the minutes.

23:54

So they want to reduce the five unit, which was previously the four unit.

23:59

The four unit.

24:00

So you're appealing, because the way I read it, you're repealing the five unit to be got down to a four unit.

24:06

So you want to make the four units so they can make it a bigger place.

24:10

So what they'll be doing is apparently it's a five unit, and they were gonna reduce it to a four unit residence for the zoning purpose, but what their ultimate purpose is to turn it into two units.

24:24

Two units to make bigger the two bigger instead of five seconds.

24:28

And I was reading too much into this because it didn't make sense the way it was worded, and that's why I wanted to make sure they weren't gonna make it bigger again.

24:34

I wanted to make sure they were gonna make it down zoning.

24:36

Yeah, no, they stated that by having two units instead of four, they'll be able to make the individual units larger and the building would be more in character with the neighborhood.

24:44

Gotcha.

24:44

Thanks for clarification.

24:46

Sure, no problem.

24:48

Council Memo 325-26, ordinance amending the 2026 annual budget for the city of Joliet.

24:55

I believe everybody talked to Todd.

24:57

I don't know if anyone has any questions on that one.

25:02

Council Memo 326-26 ordinance authorizing the execution of an intergovernmental loan agreement with the Will County Exposition and Auditorium Authority, the Rialto Square Theater.

25:16

Any questions there?

25:18

Yeah, I I have a question there.

25:19

Yeah.

25:21

You know, they're a two and a half million dollar loan.

25:24

Um, why are they not going to or two million dollar loan?

25:28

Why aren't they going to an house out source outside source?

25:32

A bank or such.

25:35

Yeah.

25:37

So we did talk to them.

25:38

We actually tried to assist them to find outside financing.

25:42

Uh number of banks wanted uh a guarantor or additional collateral.

25:46

So the market didn't support them getting a loan.

25:50

So we're going to risk our money on that?

25:55

I wouldn't say we're risking our money.

25:58

What we're doing here is so they started all these capital improvement projects, and then they got caught up with the whole asbestos thing last summer that shut them down for a while.

26:08

So they did have the money to cover all of that, but for the asbestos, which now they're in the middle of a lawsuit with the asbestos company that they anticipate to soon resolve.

26:22

Um but this what I'm saying is they may not need it at some point, but for now it allows them to continue with their HVAC replacement that they're doing now.

26:37

It'll allow them to continue to do that so we don't lose any more time with them shut down.

26:42

They are like the economic driver of of downtown.

26:47

And um we're just essentially um giving them loans into the future that we get usually give them like $500,000 a year, 454 or something.

27:00

Um so that we'd just be advancing those grants that we usually give them year for year into the future.

27:06

And they'd be using some of the money that they've received before.

27:09

Okay, well Beth, when I was reading, I didn't catch that.

27:11

So if this is accurate, then this is new to me.

27:13

So they've got six years to pay it, is I uh the way I read it.

27:18

But as soon as they uh you're saying they're gonna pay they're gonna forego their 450,000 dollars a year.

27:23

Right.

27:24

Yeah.

27:25

So it's an advance on the grants, not the same.

27:27

Correct.

27:27

That's right.

27:28

But also more importantly, you know, they're seeking legal remedies for their asbestos remediation cost.

27:34

So to the extent they receive those, the grant the loan either has to be paid off or will reduce the outstanding balance if the loan hasn't been drawn on yet.

27:43

So first will come from you know any re proceeds they get from the remediation that they're able to recoup.

27:50

And then if we do if they do need the loan, then there'll be draws on it based on eligible construction cost.

27:56

The repayment is basically uh 475,000 balance forgiveness, recognizing that those are would come in the would replace the future capital grants that we would give to the Rialto.

28:08

And that's assuming over the next six years that a new council, even beyond us, doesn't vote to not fund them anymore.

28:13

Correct.

28:14

So again, we're back to we're we're giving a loan to an entity.

28:18

Okay, that the banks rejected as not a good risk.

28:21

Well, uh I don't know if it's a good risk.

28:24

The Rialto is a it's a unique unit of local government that does not have taxing authority.

28:29

And so because of that in the historic nature of the building that a bank is not gonna, you know, foreclose on the Royalto Square Theater.

28:36

Um that it just uh I don't want to speak for the banks, but they couldn't get it through the credit committee.

28:40

They were looking for someone to get whether it was us or the county to guarantee repayment.

28:45

Well, and then the credit committee for any bank, they have a full purpose, and that is to uh weigh the risk.

28:52

Credit risk, that's it.

28:54

And you're saying they couldn't get it through the credit committee.

28:56

Well, I'm saying I don't know exactly why, whether it was credit risk or just not familiar with the entity and how it operates.

29:02

All right, thank you, ma'am.

29:04

Um question I've got Kevin on the bottom of this, it says the rayal to is seeking reimbursement from the contractor.

29:10

I believe they're asking for two million is what they spent.

29:14

So whatever they get is paid back to us immediately.

29:17

Correct.

29:20

Okay.

29:21

So then the balance would be reimbursed to the city based on the grants that we've agreed to at 475 a year.

29:30

I'm sure they're gonna get something.

29:32

I don't think they're gonna eat two million dollars on this thing.

29:36

But I I agree, Larry, that a bank wouldn't lend the money, but I've been in banking and I understand that their scrutiny is a lot tighter, but this is a uh entity of the city of Joliet that we'd all hate to lose.

29:49

So what do we tell the patrons of the city of Joliet if we don't help them with this bridge to get across to get this HVAC done and in place?

30:00

Wasn't their fault.

30:01

They budgeted for this the right way, and they got thrown under the bus with this dog on asbestos mess that they had nothing to do with the.

30:09

And the realtor will be here tomorrow as well.

30:10

But you know, some additional context related to this.

30:14

You know, their HVAC was basically hanging on by a thread and at risk of failure at any point heading into the summer.

30:19

They had scheduled this and lost a lot of shows due to the asbestos, and so when this window came up, they needed to maintain the window or risk actually closure because they didn't have air conditioning.

30:30

And so because of that, they wanted to keep on schedule.

30:33

There is they are a major driver, and when they were closed last time, we felt it downtown.

30:37

And so that's where where the request came in that you know they wanted to keep the project on schedule so that they didn't risk losing shows because they couldn't keep the building temperature controlled.

30:49

So this is an interest paying loan, correct?

30:52

Correct.

30:52

Okay.

30:55

They're coming in tomorrow to talk a little bit about.

30:57

So they'll be available tomorrow at finance committee in that council.

31:00

Okay.

31:04

Okay.

31:05

Um, under resolutions, council memo 328-26, a resolution approving a new grant and previous grant extension to the Will County Metropolitan Exposition and Auditorium Authority, Realto Square Theater.

31:17

So I was I was talking about before that um the grants that they received in 2024 and 2025 are going towards the HVAC now.

31:28

There's quote shutdown from now until September.

31:32

Um, and then uh approval of this resolution would extend the 2024 capital grant with an expiration date of December 31st of the end of this year, which they'll have the work done by then.

31:45

So essentially we loan them money earlier, but because of this delay with the asbestos, etc.

31:51

Now we're just they didn't use the money, so now we're extending the timeline so they can use it for this project.

31:59

Mayor, let me clarify um either your beth or Kevin.

32:03

Sure.

32:03

So the 2024, we gave them 475, right?

32:06

Of course, we switched several years ago, and that was uh uh you had a big hand in doing that, Kevin, so that they had to do it based on actually doing capital improvements.

32:16

So, how much of the 2024, 475 is left?

32:19

475.

32:22

They allocated and that was the first capital grant.

32:24

They allocated that for their HVAC project internally, and they I would to their credit, they instead of spending it somewhere else, they maintained that and said, No, we want to save that for this HVAC project that got delayed.

32:36

It was supposed to have happened, was it last year?

32:39

Last summer.

32:40

So we wouldn't have had a we wouldn't have had to come to you to extend it, but because it got delayed, that's why we're asking.

32:45

But all of that 475 will be applied to the JSVAC project.

32:49

So it's money that that we already approved.

32:51

I got that.

32:51

And then they didn't, because of a comedy of errors on the contractor side didn't use.

32:57

And if we don't approve the extension, then it just gets absorbed by our our our you know, what do you call it?

33:03

Our uh can't think of the word.

33:05

Tell me out then, right?

33:07

No, the money on the side that you know we have to do it.

33:08

Reserves?

33:09

Yeah, thank you.

33:10

It would just become part of the reserves, right?

33:11

And the money's there already.

33:13

Okay.

33:13

All right.

33:14

No, I know that makes sense.

33:15

That one I that makes sense to me.

33:17

Okay.

33:18

I wanted to make sure we weren't extending the amount.

33:24

Council Memo 32926, resolution designating financial institutions to be used as depositories for city funds.

33:33

Um this is staff requesting to add wind trust financial as a depository.

33:39

Council Memo 330 26, resolution appropriating motor fuel tax funds for the advanced traffic management system phase A project, and the amount of $98,848.77.

33:52

These are housekeeping resolutions to allow us to appropriate the motor fuel tax funds.

33:58

Council Memo 3312, resolution approving motor fuel tax funds for the advanced traffic management system phase B project, and the amount of 11,226 and 75 cents.

34:10

Council Memo 3326, resolution accepting 26,000 in grant funds from fiscal year 2026, small equipment grant from the state of Illinois, Office of the State Fire Marshal for the purchase of turnout gear for our um fire department.

34:31

Council Memo 33326, resolution authorizing execution of an intergovernmental agreement and an easement agreement between the Joliet Township High School District 204 and the City of Joliet for installation of a water service connection.

34:46

Council Memo 33426 resolution authorizing execution of a sub-recipient agreement between the County of Will and the City of Joliet for community development block grant funding for water and sewer system improvements in the Southeast Joliet Sanitary District.

35:03

Council Memo 33526 resolution approving and authorizing the execution of a collective bargaining agreement between the City of Joliet and the Fraternal Order of Police, Labor Council, Joliet Police Supervisors Association.

35:17

That concludes the agenda.

35:20

Mayor about Greg Um.

35:25

So it'll be New Avenue north of Osgood.

35:28

We did water main uh replacement there.

35:31

It's all gravel.

35:32

I had a couple residents uh reach out to me.

35:35

There's potholes over there.

35:36

Can we look at that tomorrow see what we can do?

35:38

Oh yeah.

35:39

So it'll be uh new avenue north of uh Osgood.

35:42

Yeah, that sounds like it's a utilities project.

35:44

Yeah, yeah, both of us will take this.

35:50

Okay, next we have public comments.

35:52

Is there anyone who would like to address the council this evening on the non-agenda item?

35:58

Okay, seeing none.

36:00

I did receive a request for closed session.

36:02

Is there a motion to go into closed session to discuss personnel, collective bargaining, land acquisition or conveyance pending or threatened?

36:09

Litigation.

36:10

So did you want to speak?

36:14

Okay.

36:22

Good evening, everybody.

36:24

Sorry I'm late.

36:25

I just got here.

36:26

Um Lapels Groom Lounge and now we see it for the free screen for the license.

36:40

Maybe you all have already discussed that.

36:42

I just had surgery dismal design, take a we were here, so I think tomorrow you can still come tomorrow and speak on it.

36:53

Yeah, tonight's the workshop and tomorrow night will be um the actual vote.

36:57

Okay.

36:58

Okay, so thank you.

36:59

630 tomorrow.

37:06

Okay.

37:09

Is there a motion to go into closed session?

37:12

So it's a motion and second and to approve.

37:15

Councilman Cardinals, Councilman Clement, Councilman Hug.

37:18

Councilman Barrow.

37:19

Councilman Moreno.

37:20

Councilman Mudron.

37:21

Aye.

37:21

Councilwoman Coleman.

37:23

Aye.

37:24

Councilwoman Burden.

37:25

Aye.

37:26

Mayor Darcy.

37:26

Aye.

37:27

Motion carry.

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Summary of Proceedings

Joliet Pre-Council Meeting – June 15, 2026

The Joliet City Council held a pre-council meeting on Monday, June 15, 2026, at 5:30 PM in Council Chambers. The meeting covered a public hearing and discussion on the annexation and development of 23656 S. Houbolt Road (Whimsy Trucking), multiple liquor license applications, a proposed loan and grant extension for the Rialto Square Theatre, a collective bargaining agreement with police supervisors, and other routine business. No final votes were taken; all actionable items are scheduled for the regular council meeting on June 16, 2026.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • John Argoudelis (petitioner representative) spoke on the Whimsy Trucking proposal (Items 319-26, 321-26, 322-26, 323-26). He requested approval of container stacking up to three high, arguing that a gas pipeline cuts off a rear portion of the site and a large roadside setback reduces usable land. He cited prior council approvals for three- and five-high stacking in other industrial areas (e.g., 3751 Cedar Creek Drive, 3350 Shanahan Road) and stated stacking would be short-term (one to two days).
  • Kathy Garthus (former resident of 23656 S. Houbolt Road) opposed the Whimsy Trucking project, alleging unfair eviction, lack of transparency in the property sale, theft of personal property, and improper handling of the eviction by Whimsy and their attorney. She asked the council to deny the annexation and associated permits.
  • Owner of Lagos Grill and Lounge arrived late and inquired about speaking on the proposed denial of their liquor license (Item 317-26). The mayor informed them they could provide public comment at the regular council meeting on June 16.

Discussion Items

Houbolt Road Annexation and Development (Whimsy Trucking) – Items 319-26, 321-26, 322-26, 323-26

  • The city manager provided an overview: the proposal includes annexation of 23656 S. Houbolt Road, zoning to I-1 (Light Industrial), a special use permit for a truck parking facility with mobile compressed natural gas (CNG) fueling, and a variation of use for above-ground CNG tanks. Also sought were a special use permit for container storage and a variation to allow stacking up to three high.
  • Community Development Director Dustin Anderson noted that the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) voted 5–0 against the three-high stacking request, citing nearby residences, but supported other components. Staff and ZBA recommended stacking be limited to one high.
  • Councilman Clement asked about resident opposition at the ZBA hearing. John Argoudelis confirmed that only Kathy Garthus spoke in opposition at the meetings; no other residents appeared.
  • Councilman Moreno and Councilman Hug expressed support for three-high stacking, noting that other industrial sites in the area (e.g., Conglobal, G4) stack up to five high. Mayor D’Arcy and Councilwoman Ibarra cautioned that those sites are in purely industrial areas, while the Whimsy site has two large residential homes nearby. Mayor D’Arcy suggested the ZBA’s decision may have been driven by those residential neighbors.
  • Councilman Clement and Mayor D’Arcy noted that staff will verify compliance at other stacking sites and issue violation notices if applicable.
  • Councilwoman Reardon asked if the council would vote separately on the stacking issue; the city manager confirmed yes.

Rialto Square Theatre – Loan (Item 326-26) and Grant Extension (Item 328-26)

  • The city manager explained that the Rialto seeks a $2.5 million intergovernmental loan to continue HVAC replacement delayed by asbestos remediation. A separate resolution extends a previously approved $475,000 capital grant (2024) that was not used due to the delay.
  • Finance Director Kevin Sing stated that banks declined to lend because the Rialto is a unique government unit without taxing authority and lacks traditional collateral. The loan would be repaid via $475,000 annual capital grant forgiveness over six years and any proceeds from the Rialto’s asbestos lawsuit.
  • Councilman Hug questioned why the city should take on risk that banks rejected. Councilwoman Ibarra and the city manager argued the Rialto is an essential downtown economic driver and that the loan is effectively an advance on future grants. The loan carries interest.
  • Councilman Hug and Mayor D’Arcy expressed concerns but acknowledged the need to keep the theatre operational. The Rialto representative is expected at the June 16 meeting for further discussion.

Liquor Licenses (Items 313-26, 314-26, 315-26, 316-26, 317-26)

  • Deputy Liquor Commissioner Jim O’Connell presented recommendations: approval for Love’s Travel Stop (Class C), Six Corners Tavern (Class B), El Sabor Latino (Class D), and Cork Lounge & Kitchen (Class B, new ownership). He recommended denial of a Class E license for Lagos Grill and Lounge.
  • Councilwoman Ibarra asked why Lagos Grill applied for a license for which they do not qualify; O’Connell clarified they applied but staff is recommending denial.
  • Councilman Moreno asked about Cork Lounge & Kitchen’s change in ownership requiring a new application.

Other Items

  • ZBA Reappointment (Item 319-26) : No discussion.
  • Budget Amendment (Item 325-26) : The city manager noted the ordinance amends the 2026 budget; no questions.
  • Police Supervisors Collective Bargaining Agreement (Item 335-26) : No discussion.
  • Water Main Pothole Issue : Councilman Clement raised potholes on New Avenue north of Osgood after a water main replacement. Public Works Director Greg Ruddy said he would inspect.

Key Outcomes

  • No votes were taken on any substantive items. All ordinances, resolutions, and licenses will be voted on at the regular council meeting on June 16, 2026.
  • A motion by Councilwoman Ibarra, seconded by Councilman Moreno, to enter closed session to discuss personnel, collective bargaining, land acquisition, and pending litigation passed unanimously (9–0).

Meeting Transcript

And Mayor Terry Darcy residing, and I'm Mayor Pro Tem JM Quillman. We'll begin with roll call. Mayor Darcy. Here. Councilman Cardinals. Here. Councilman Clement? Here. Councilman Hugg. Here. Councilwoman Abarra? Here. Councilman Moreno. Here. Councilman Mudron. Here. Councilman McCluman? Here. Councilman Gerdin. Here. Next is citizens to be heard on agenda items. I have one person signed up. Um, John Argadelis. Want to start. Good evening, John Argadellas. I'm uh here on the uh Whimsey trucking matter, and this is uh proceeded through the process uh and has been uh supported uh at the PCC and planning commission and staff. Um we worked with staff quite a bit on this, and it it's it's uh adjacent to an existing project that Whimsey owns already out. Um there was just one issue that came up. I just wanted to make you aware of it, so for your consideration as we go through tonight and tomorrow night, and that was the issue of stacking of containers. Um we had requested uh be able to stack three high uh staff did not support that, and it was not supported at any level prior to the board of the council here. Um I just wanted to give a little rationale on why we're requesting this, and we are still requesting it for the council. The property, if you pay attention, or you will pay attention when you see it, it uh there's a back third of the property that's cut off by a gas pipeline. Um we tried to get permission from the pipeline to put a asphalt over that so we could use that back portion of the property. Uh they were not willing to work with us in that regard, so we cannot access that back triangle. And you'll note this in your, I'm sure you have already. Um the other issue was staff had asked for a uh pretty significant setback on the roadside, which we agreed to. So what that does is with the setback and the loss of that back third, it sort of leaves us with a lot less land to use. And we feel based on the volume we're gonna have that we'll have short-term stacking. This will not be long-term stacking, it's just a day or two stacked, and then move things move in and out. Um, and there is a history that uh the city, the council has approved stacking three and five high in some other cases. Um there's a case on uh 3751 Cedar Creek Drive. This is from 2016. Uh there's more some more recent cases. Uh there was a 22 case for um trying to get an address for you here. But in 2022, in November, you approved uh stacking. I believe this was a center point one uh 3350 Shanahan Road uh project. So it's not unprecedented what we're asking for. Joliet's done it before, and we'd ask you to consider this tonight and tomorrow as we go through the process. So I'll stay for questions, of course, later. Thank you.

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