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Need a motion to approve minutes from 1216.

So motion.

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Second.

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Now number one.

Um William Perkins.

Mr.

Chair.

Yes.

First meeting of the year.

We need to nominate.

No.

So I'd like to nominate you for chair and Rick for folks here.

Oh, good lord.

Okay.

Second.

Boy, that was awful quick.

Okay.

Is that good enough?

Do we have to dare we need to have to vote on it?

Probably need about it.

All right.

Let's have a vote on that.

All in favor of that.

Say aye.

I okay.

Thank you.

Now, Mr.

Perkins.

You're welcome.

Thank you, Kevin, for keeping me straight.

I appreciate that.

I really do.

Tell us what's going on.

Uh just want to increase that fence height between me and my neighbor there.

There's a five foot drop, elevation drop.

Um if you can see that white pipe, it's marked at 10 foot, 8 foot, and 6 foot.

I don't think you can see the blue lines on it, but that's the line is drawn at 10 foot there.

Um basically if I put it at 6 foot, the fence is not gonna be any privacy fence at all.

I'll be able to see over it.

He complains about my light shining at his window anyway.

Just just on that one side of your property.

Yes, sir.

And it's only um, you know, I've already done the the 25 foot of four foot, and then there's two sections of six foot there, and then it starts sloping down.

Maintaining that ten foot as it'll slope from six to ten, and then there at ten.

I'm gonna turn it back.

Um I guess it's all the pictures you have, but I'm gonna turn it back toward the house.

Actually, I was gonna run it off into the woods, and it may go to like twelve foot, just one section, just basically just like a screen wall between my back deck and his driveway.

Build it all out of steel.

Um still eye beams, and then I'm gonna put wood in it.

Steve, so I I'm just looking here, so the upper section has got the two foot that picture right there.

So you got two sections of six foot fence up there at the top.

Oh, yes, sir.

And so what you're doing is you're keeping trying, you're wanting to keep a level line with the top coming down, and as it falls off, that's the reason the height is coming up to the 10, and then as it drops off, then that's the reason it's down to the 12.

Yes, sir.

That picture there, you can see the three blue lines.

Okay, that's 10 foot at the top, that's eight foot, and then that's a six-foot line there on the bottom.

So you know if that's six foot, basically you're see right over the top of it both directions.

See that this is going out into the woods, you know, between me and my neighbor.

It's you can't even see this fence in the street.

Um, I don't see how it would interfere with anyone.

My neighbor wants the fence high.

But anyway, your neighbor's not here today, is he?

No.

Okay.

No, I sent him a letter and I actually gave him a copy of the letter before I mailed it to him.

He'll build a 10-foot fence to that corner.

Actually, get to 12 foot, sir.

You you you got it at that post, it'll be 10 foot tall, is what you'll do.

That's 10 foot, yes, sir.

And it drops off on down into the woods where like you can see another embed plate there in the corner, and then there's one more embed plate down in the woods where it might be 12 foot.

This next embed plate that's at the edge of the pictures where I'll turn it and tie it back to the to the house.

And I saw y'all put up a survey while I go.

Actually, my property line is about even with that back of that bedliner.

He's 13 foot on my property, but his driveway is sir.

His driveway is his driveway is 13 foot on my property, but I was just trying to be halfway nice about it.

He's 13 foot on my property but his driveway is driveway is his driveway is 13 foot on my property but I was just trying to be halfway nice about it so can we see that survey I saw it up on the screen while ago see it there in the corner.

So he's it's up there at the top.

Yeah the yellow the red I think years ago my my neighbor on the west you can see that line at some point they must have thought that the line ran from the back of his property to the front stake when they built that other house that would put his driveway not in my yard if if you didn't sloped it across there what other questions you got me assuming everybody else in that area has been notified.

Um I notified the neighbor between me that was all that was required I think there's just four lots there in that cove Mr Dare you have any input on this one that's an easy way out Darryl I think there's a color overall view somewhere in there also I don't know if y'all need to see it like I think it was my permanent picture it is on the that's a really tall so that's standing his driveway looking at it yep.

So let me ask this question.

I can see those four legs right there so I'm gonna assume that's where your other embeds are at for your steel call where it turns back goes to the house.

They go back to the to the house yes sir that part six foot I can see that top rail is what it looks like to me so that's why I'm asking well I was gonna start out six foot over at the house and just run it straight across so it's gonna get taller as it comes back toward the pitcher.

But it doesn't get to twelve because at that point I think you're almost probably at twelve feet maybe I'm guessing the 12 foot is all the way to the right the post you're probably seeing out in the woods.

I can kind of see it right there maybe the bottom of it.

So that's 11 foot I'd say probably where it turns back to the house is 11 and that one out in the woods would probably be 12 I mean I haven't shot those elevations exact but I do know the blue pipe or the white pipe is 10 foot at the top when I first read this I I was kind of thinking it was one of them situations where we had before where we possibly have a swell and it falls off and you got one point that's gonna be six over here and one point that's six maybe about eight to nine foot in the middle because of the swell I've always thought that was a good idea that way you leave the top of it straight and look smooth and stuff like this.

In this case you just you just have elevation changes that are just downward so and I'm I guess I've been the weirdo that's always had an issue with with with just taller fences so I don't know that's almost kind of a I mean that's a 12 foot tall um ten foot tall so I don't know that when when you have the availability to just go with the flow of the ground of the grade I've always thought that would be kind of best just because the ordinance is six foot eight foot six foot okay six we're getting about double the height of the of the ordinance in one location I see that uh the I guess the survey again please his house and where that driveway is at you said it's kind of encroaching on your land where's his house in relation to that that drive it's right there is this just north of that driveway it's his garage it's just no okay it's just north so that's what he's gonna be looking at.

kind of best just because the ordinance is six foot eight foot eight six foot okay six we're getting about double the height of the of the ordinance in one location I see that uh the I guess the survey again please his house in where that driveways at you said it's kind of encroaching on your land where's his house in relation to that that drive it's right there this just north of that driveway it's his garage it's just no okay it's just north yep so that's what he's gonna be looking at okay but he wants I mean he wants the fence sure yeah no I can I get a sure through it's certain not going to be torn down what if what if you as you went down the hill instead of keeping that top line when you get to that first well plate where you got an 11 foot section or whatever what if you if you step the fence down two foot increment what if you kept the line for the distance going back a certain going back and then you stepped her down two feet or you stepped her down you went a certain distance you stepped down two feet you went a further distance you stepped down two feet again yeah stair step it stair step it yeah makes sense um well because I even thought well I want to stop you you know um and and that way when you're down at the the low corner you're you're six or or even eight foot instead of twelve foot if you stepped at two foot increments and so you're down you're still still would require variance because you'd be able to be at eight foot down here but but you're not at twelve foot twelve foot is hard to swallow for me um I nothing against what you're trying to achieve Steve I just um I just don't think we've ever done it I mean I could run the down of the woods ten foot I mean if that's I was just trying to get it as high as possible and whatever y'all let me do.

Yeah and that's what we have up right we're having a problem with it is that highest possible thing so to be honest with you um I would definitely want to see two foot step downs increments as you go down the hill does that make sense okay something like that y'all mean my poster at at eight foot and as opposed to step down can I just curve it down slope it down I just need to know the height y'all or y'all will let me go to basically um let me ask one thing that picture that showed the four or the three embeds that went back to the house you said you were at six foot you were right there at the bottom of that vinyl siding between it looks like a basement I'm gonna guess I don't have that right here this picture he's got up so from your block what's that height up to your vinyl siding because it looks like what you're trying to line it up with that's just yeah I just drew that I mean that's probably five foot tall right there.

So if you started at five foot and by the time you got down here to your your leg here you might be at what seven and a half I'm I'm now I'm just guessing.

Um probably seven and a half eight feet yeah even if you keep to hold that line straight to make it look right from the roadway you're at eight foot in that corner then you go from eight foot back on up to your six foot that you've got in the blue line is the blue the second blue line down on the white pipe is eight foot yeah if it went across there.

Okay I got you yeah so that's gonna be about a line maybe a little bit less yeah right there that's eight foot yeah that's six that's eight that's ten yeah yeah that's eight that's if you were to drop to that eight foot if that's eight foot on the outside leg going across to the blue line on the pipe is that gonna give you the the closure that you're looking for I mean it's not going to back there on that back deck um okay but oh I see because that's the back deck back there I was trying to get some privacy to okay I don't think we're gonna build it I don't think but you'll get that safe y'all just yeah you know you just let me know how I can go and that's what we'll go with I would just put on there what I would like to have.

I'm not making a motion or anything, but I I would probably be okay with that being an eight foot at that lower corner, being the highest point.

Um right there at the end of the at that outside at the back.

Yeah.

Yeah, back back there at the back.

That because that that ground is falling off a lot, and that's still gonna be.

I do have a I don't know since you'll put it actually at the bottom.

So you would go from six to down here, and I'm just calling this back or the back corner.

Yeah, you would go to an eight foot height back there.

That'll put it below the deck at that point.

Yeah, you gotta get above the deck.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but see the fence is all come all the way down to here.

Yeah, saying his degree is still be below the deck.

Yeah, I don't I don't I I that would be a monster of an animal at twelve feet to try to screen between your deck and the neighbor's deck, I'd uh anyway, so I'll steal.

Well he's in the steel business, but uh that's just my thought process.

I'm thinking the highest point of the the fence in the back I would be okay with would be an eight foot at the low lower corner.

From the front six to eight feet first the furthest back corner, and that's taken in to the contour of the bottom the ground is the reason.

Yeah.

Can I go to eight foot right there where that picture's at at the second at the poet and then slope it down to eight foot?

If I slope down to eight foot at the very back post, it's basically gonna make that fence six foot right there at that post.

Because it's so dropped off so bad back there.

Yeah, so again, and and and I'm just I'm asking here, I'm trying to find a happy medium.

Could you at that that weld plate at that column that that's at, could you st could you keep a constant line and then step it down, start right there and then slope it down?

Um is that what you're asking?

I'm asking at that white pipe.

If y'all won't let me do ten foot, can I do eight foot right there and just go from there up to six and down to eight back in the back?

Yeah, that we're just moving the that's still giving the the the eight foot maximum height at the back corner.

It's just moving that eight foot height up the slope, halfway up the house.

It's six foot off from that point, it's six foot forward, right?

Is that what you're saying?

To toward the street, yes, sir.

So right now my fence is just following the slope of the ground, the six.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, it just chases the ground all the way down.

So if you if y'all just tell me how high you're you would allow me, like if I can go to eight, I'll just slope it from six to eight, and then I'll stay at eight, sloping it down with the ground.

You won't get any higher than eight.

If you won't let me get any higher.

I mean, I want to go as high as possible, but that's that's why I'm here.

What do you think?

Well, I do want to make sure it doesn't turn into an eight-foot fence.

Does that make sense?

Everywhere.

Yeah, yeah.

I want to be very clear.

I I don't I don't support it.

But if he steps down like we're talking about, yes, they'll never be above eight foot.

Yeah.

We're just anyone.

I just didn't want the whole fence to be eight feet.

I want him to start at six, what he's done.

Yeah, which I can see he's done that.

It looked it appears that way.

Yeah.

I don't have a take measure on it.

He started it, yeah.

But he's started at six, but it holds six as long as you can until your grade just can't withstand, you're gonna make a pretty big drop with the top of it.

Then I would say that's when you start kind of trying to get the eight foot in the back corner.

Maximum eight foot in the back of eight foot in that corner is the way I feel about it.

Yeah.

But eight foot at the white pipe is okay.

Um, but you're starting at six up there, so I see what you're saying, Steve.

So the distance between your existing column way up front, and you're wanting to be at eight foot at the white post.

So you're starting to pick up that that high halfway up instead at the back corner, Casey's what he's saying.

As long as if you I mean, this is my opinion.

Keep this in my following, well, I got one boat.

I I mean going to eight foot to the white pipe, but then where you got twelve foot where it says twelve foot.

Maximum eight.

Maximum eight.

You that means that post is also eight foot, and the top of it's just leaning down like that.

I think you're trying to get it past a point.

Well, you just can't see a driveway in the cars.

But that's what I was trying to do, of course.

But what I'm saying is that last post where I've got twelve, if I make that eight foot, I don't even know if the fence is gonna be six foot tall when you go on up there because of the way it's sloping.

Right.

Well, that's that's why I'm saying I think you where it says twelve foot, you make it eight foot.

Okay, where the white post is, you also make it eight foot.

Okay.

And then you go to the two.

And then you go from eight to six back up to the front.

I can just gradually slope it up to six.

Okay.

However, the the terrain allowed it, I guess.

Okay.

Because you've got a six point, you got a six foot.

I guess that top of the beam on the fence that's already there, is already at six foot.

So yes, sir.

So to be clear, the reason that we're saying even giving you that eight foot is because of the terrain falling off.

It's not because of your height clearances to get you a visual clearance at eight foot.

You're not gonna get that here.

Uh it's about the terrain.

Um we've been pretty consistent on that.

So um I saying that correctly, Casey.

Yeah, no, I I completely agree.

It's definitely I mean I can I I can see the fall.

I mean, you've got three foot of fall or four foot right there, and then there's uh twelve feet there.

Because this fall actually starts at the white pipe.

More more of it.

It's more aggressive after the white pipe, yeah.

Okay.

Um Mr.

Chair, I make a motion that we grant the fence height variance to a maximum of eight foot at the back corner following the contour of the ground to match back up to the six foot existing at the front corner.

Is that Errell?

Is that makes sense?

All right, got a second for that.

Second.

All right.

And we'll call please.

Yes.

Yes.

Reload.

Billy.

Yes.

Airpooth.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

There you go.

That included at the white pipe, right?

Yeah.

Yep.

Okay.

Okay.

Doesn't hurt to ask, but 12 foot's really tall.

Yeah.

Well, I was going for 10 foot, but I give you covered on that.

Right.

Uh we've seen some, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't I don't I don't know where those are.

I mean, somebody is an AI program is generating those.

Uh, but that if you look, it's not the city's address, it's not well.

I did notice it for eventually that it said at USA.com or something.

But yeah, it's it's just spam.

It's all pretty real this morning.

It does.

They look very real, and that they make them look more real now than you know.

The as time goes on, it'll be hard to tell.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

All right, Josh Neely.

Josh Neely Ridge serving and consulting representing Klaus property management requesting a variance of the minimum lot width that's required for R3 zoning, requesting it to be 40 foot instead of 50 foot on this existing property.

That gonna be apartments.

Uh no, sir.

It is gonna be a single family residence.

So the property was purchased in 25, and it's only 40 foot wide.

There was a house on it at one point in time before it was condemned and tore down somewhere based on aerial photography between 14 and 17.

Um, and then my client purchased it and figured out it's only 40 foot wide, and that's an issue.

Is this falling the improvement district?

This this is on the north side of Johnson, so no, it's not it, it's it's not in tell me about the four and a half and four point two inches or feet between the uh existing residence and so uh they purchased my client also owns that parcel right there ending in 3400 the property to the north.

Tell me about the four and a half and four point two inches or feet between the uh existing residents and so they purchased my client also owns that parcel right there ending in 3400 the property to the north.

Um they purchased it in 23 with that existing residence on it.

Um it's R3 zoning, it was remodeled, I believe.

I believe it's a duplex now.

Um so when this property came available to the south, they purchased it also with the house being 4.6 and 4.2 from the property line.

We can't replat because that existing house is already in the setbacks.

So that's kind of where we set right now.

On the uh should there should be another one that's should be 20 in the front, 20 in the rear, and seven and a half on the sides on the side.

So right there, right there it shows it shows the setbacks, shows the proposed residence, shows that track is 6,398 square feet as it is right now.

6,000 is the minimum requirement for R3 zoning, even whenever we give up the required drive-away for all us if this is replatted to get the building permit, we'll still be setting at 6,09 square feet, so it meets everything but the width in between the setbacks right there is roughly 25 feet, 25 plus feet in between the setbacks, so it will be a 25 foot wide residence, roughly 50 foot deep.

Apparently that's roughly what it was to begin with.

Right, maybe give or take five feet because setbacks weren't a thing probably whenever that was built up there.

I mean you're getting a single family house in where you you had one that was torn down, so you're getting new construction in there.

It does meet the setbacks and the size, it just doesn't meet the lot width, but that's what you ought to.

Rezoning was actually brought up about it, but there's no new zoning that would allow a 40-foot width.

Um so that's the reason why we're here today.

Y'all are our last hope, I guess.

Or our only option.

I have a copy of what he sent me.

It doesn't have any dimensions on it because I told him not to buy the house plans yet until I can kind of y'all pass this around here.

We've got 40 foot lot width in the city in some of some of the old areas that are platted 40 feet.

Yeah, right.

So we've got 40 foot lots.

I think anything you can do in the area is gonna be some type of improvement to the area.

Yeah.

Um if we don't, if we if we don't grant this, remain a vacant lot.

That's exactly right.

Um if we don't empty square feet in that valley, too.

Yeah.

So that's pretty nice little house.

Yeah.

But the the same guy that owns tract A here that we're talking about owns a 309 Alice, correct?

Correct.

Okay.

But he didn't rezone this or replat this to get this small lot behind here.

He he literally, you can I've got copies of the copies of the deeds, but it was uh one was one was purchased in 23, the 309 North Allis.

Yep, and then the other property next door came open or came up for sale.

They purchased it in June of 25.

I got there.

So this proposed residence is going to be for resale.

Um it will possibly be for resale at some point in time.

What he has what he has told me is build it, rent it, if they have a good renter, maybe a rent to own type deal, or a couple years down the road, resale.

But it is gonna be a single family residence.

Said the existing at 309 has been made into a duplex, yes, sir.

And we can't we can't necessarily replat it and flip everything because that is if you go out there, you pull up the you pull up edge, that 20-foot alley north of it right there says that is Word Street, but it was never platted as Word Street and it's only 20 foot wide.

So then if you took it and you split it north-south into two lots, you don't have the road frontage.

Yeah, anyways.

So this is this one below it, is that a is that another uh unfinished lot or not?

No, sir.

It does have a residence on it.

Okay, and it also brings development back out with there too.

So Mr.

Chair, I'd make a motion that we grant the uh variance.

There it is.

Okay, we'll call please.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay.

Thank you, Josh.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Sir Oh, we're adjourned.

So we are adjourned.