All right, good afternoon, everybody.

It is five o'clock, and we are right at time to call to order the City of Jonesboro Public Safety Council committee meeting for the day.

First on our agenda today, we have roll call.

If you're on this committee and our attendance, if you will mark your vote on the device in front of you.

Show seven people in attendance.

Thank you very much.

So we do have a quorum and we'll continue to move forward.

Next on the agenda, we have the approval of minutes from our previous meeting on Tuesday, February 17th, 2026.

And if you had an opportunity to review those minutes, I will entertain a motion for approval.

Move to adopt unless changes are noted.

Second.

Okay.

I have a motion and second for approval of minutes from the previous from the previous meeting.

Everybody that's in favor of approving the minutes as presented, if you will denote your vote on the device in front of you.

Okay, that item does carry.

Thank you very much.

Moving on to the next item on new business is going to be we have three ordinances to be introduced this evening.

First of all being ordinance 26008.

An ordinance to amend ordinance 93741 to reinstate the multi-way four-way stop signs at Rains and Wilkins intersections.

Be it ordained by the City Council of the City of Jonesboro, Arkansas, Section 1, the City Council of the City of Jonesboro, Arkansas, hereby amends ordinance 93741 to reinstate the multi-way stop sign at the Rains and Wilkins intersection.

Section two, this ordinance authorizes the City of Jonesboro Street Department to make the above amendment with the passage and approval of this ordinance.

Section three, this ordinance being necessary for the preservation of public peace, health, and safety.

There is hereby declared an emergency, and this ordinance shall take effect and be in full force from after the passage and approval.

Do I have a motion?

Second.

Okay.

I have a motion and a second for approval of this ordinance.

Do I have any questions from anybody on the committee?

Uh just one.

Now I understand it's already a four-way intersection.

This is just changing the sign.

Is it gonna be one of those that highlights and flashes?

Supposed to be more prominent.

This is really just to clean up the fact that there's an ordinance saying it's supposed to be a two-way stop.

Uh it's been marked as a four-way.

Yeah, it's been a four-way stop for a while.

Since probably I know 97 when I lived at that intersection, it was four-way stop.

So we just we came across it and went, well, that's it's a four-way stop.

We probably ought to clean that up.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, Craig.

Any other questions from anybody else on the committee?

Okay.

Anything from the administration.

And anything from the public's in attendance.

Okay, seeing none, we'll go ahead and we will call a vote on this item.

Okay, and that item does pass.

Thank you, everybody.

Moving on to the next ordinance on the agenda.

That will be ordinance 26009.

An ordinance to the city of Jonesboro to place various traffic signs at designated locations as determined by the traffic control committee.

Now, therefore, it be it ordained by the City Council of the City of Jonesboro, Arkansas, to make the following changes as recommended by the traffic control committee.

Establishing a 25 mile an hour speed limit on Hillcrest Drive between Nettleton Avenue and Wilkins Avenue.

Move to recommend to the full council.

Second.

Okay.

I have a motion and a second to recommend to full council.

Do you have any questions from anybody on the committee?

Any from the administration?

And any from the public in attendance.

Okay, seeing none, we will go ahead and we will call a vote on this item.

Okay, and that item does pass and will be forwarded on to the full council.

Moving on to the next item on the agenda, the final ordinance being ordinance 26010.

An ordinance by the City of Jonesboro to place various traffic signs at designated locations as determined by the traffic control committee.

Now therefore be it ordained by the City Council for the City of Jonesboro, Arkansas, to make the following changes recommended by the traffic control committee.

Establishing a 20 mile an hour on Main Street from Washington Avenue to Kate Avenue.

Move recommend full council.

Second.

Okay, I have a motion of second to move on to full council.

Do I have any questions from anybody on the committee?

Okay.

Anything from the administration.

And anything from the public in attendance.

Okay.

Seeing none, we'll go ahead and we will call a vote on this item.

Okay.

And that item does carry.

Thank you, everybody very much.

That is the last ordinance on the agenda for today, which is going to move us on to the next item being pending items.

I know of none unless anybody else on the committee has anything to bring up.

And seeing none brings us up for an our next item on the agenda being other business.

Tonight we have two communication documents to discuss the um couple of lease proposals for the Jonesboro Police Department will which we will get into, but I did have a couple of other items that I wanted to bring up beforehand.

I don't know if you could help me speak on this just really quick.

I noticed that vector mosquito control, that RFP that we had issued for that, or there we go.

Tony, sorry.

Tony, if you don't mind, whenever I noticed that the RFPs were closing for that at two o'clock tomorrow.

If you don't mind, have we had any more than just our our current vendor that have applied for that?

We have had inquiry from our current vendor and one other vendor at this particular time.

And I do anticipate proposals from both of them by the deadline on tomorrow.

Perfect.

Could if you don't mind, could you forward those uh proposals to the committee?

Absolutely.

Great.

Thank you, Tony.

You are okay.

And next one, I did have a um question for Craig.

Craig, if you don't mind, I was gonna ask you about an intersection that I'd come across while um it's actually been over a month and it's taken me all this time to remember this, but the um intersection that we have for coal and wood street and Thomas Street, where we've done some sidewalk expansions on that side, and I've noticed that on Cole Street, whenever you're turning on to coal from Nettleton that I don't know if we just need restriping or if we need to look at that orientation there, it's just it gets a little tight there when you're turning back right on to um the those pavement markings need to be milled off.

I'll talk to them about getting that done.

Okay, gotcha.

Perfect.

Thank you, sir.

Okay.

Um before we get into these lease proposals, does anybody have anything else for for public safety?

Okay.

So the next item that we have on the agenda being these two leases that have been provided to us um to discuss here today.

You know, I've I've I've tried to think of a couple of ways to necessarily go about um through these and identifying pros and cons or anything else.

However, I think that um that can be best reflected by the subject matter experts.

So I was gonna ask at this time that if chief or assistant chief would like to come up and make a statement regarding those.

Thought that this would be uh this would be a good opportunity for us to kind of see the all-encompassing effect of both of these leases.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair and Committee.

Umright I didn't think I was gonna make it tonight, so Assistant Chief uh Lynn Waterworth uh kind of made some comparison notes on this.

So I think as you see in your package, there are two proposals for buildings tonight.

One the Methodist Church uh youth building down here on Union.

Then the second piece is a uh property on Carroll Road, formerly known as the Park Place Inn, owned by Mr.

Carl Caldwell.

Uh so there's two different proposals uh we're gonna talk about and uh looking forward for your feedback on these two.

So I'll let AC take over and kind of lay lay it out.

Thank you, Chief.

So just by the numbers, um our goal is like people that we have displaced right now, they're in different parks buildings and some things like that, is to try to consolidate the police services into two buildings, and either one of these options would allow us to do that.

And the big difference would be like who would move to which building.

So with the larger facility, we would move the bulk of our police services to that larger facility and have just our patrol and uh evidence and those kinds of things over in the Caraway Road building that we currently occupy.

With the smaller facility, we would move our patrol services and some of those things that are in the different parks buildings to that smaller location.

And so either way, we're gonna be able to consolidate into two just two buildings, which is a whole lot better than you know.

If you need this police service, I'm gonna send you over there, but you need this police service, I gotta send you over here.

So it would consolidate us into just those two buildings.

Either way, we've got to do something fairly quickly.

I mean, if we're once once the construction starts on the 911 center, like I would imagine that the building that we're in on Washington, we're gonna have to get out of that.

We're gonna have to vacate that.

So we've got to have a pretty quick solution, one way or the other.

I've got um estimates as far as cost and things like that.

I think you guys have I would hope copies of the proposals that shows the the the difference in the in the cost.

The larger facility uh initially is 375,000 annually, the other facility would be about 200,000 annually, but again, it just it's kind of where we want to go from there.

Sure.

I know it's um difficult to um to bower this well.

There's quite a bit of stuff here to talk about.

So is there any specific items that y'all want to speak directly to, or would you rather us open it up to council for questions?

Uh it's whatever whatever you think was, you know, for us the uh one of the things is like how much is the renovation gonna cost?

Like what's the best bang for your buck?

Like what's gonna cost more, what's gonna cost less?

Do we have an option to purchase on down the road, or do we really want to look at this as just a temporary fix that for maybe five years?

Sure.

Um anybody on committee would I'll open this up for questions at this time.

Uh I'll start.

So both five-year leases.

Do we anticipate this taking?

I mean, the building on E911 and whatever else we need in that facility.

Do we anticipate that taking taking five years?

Do we anticipate that taking two years?

So the real-time crime center and dispatch, that's all it's gonna house, nothing else.

All the police services that are currently displaced will be displaced until this tonight is resolved one way or another.

So when we start construction down here on Washington for for that, uh it will be on the back parking lot of the patrol building.

Uh so we'll interfere with some services a little bit, but yeah, we can still park down the end of the lot and continue on.

But that building is in need of a roof and has been in need of roof for the past 12 years.

So as the rains continue, the water still leaking into the building.

So, you know, there's concerns at the point in time that something's gonna have to be done there or move out of it, also.

So the urgency of getting something done here in the sooner than later is kind of crucial.

Then if we do get a chance to vacate that building, as we're building down here on Washington, it may give us a chance to go ahead and take that building down uh during the process.

But uh as AC said during what we're looking at tonight is the the cost, which would what is the council looking to invest?

How much is it gonna take on top of the lease for the church building?

What's the renovation cost is on us?

And if I move in the bulk of services into that building, so you're looking at estimated a million meeting and a half uh remodel, and then whatever fixtures we have to add to that.

Go to the caraway uh site, 12,000 square foot.

Um I think Mr.

Caldwell will incur bulk of those costs on renovations, but we'll still be out of some expense.

So a little bit cheaper on lease on that.

Um so these are some of the factors that y'all have in your paperwork that it's up to y'all to kind of look at and and mull over.

Now the church building is 33,000 square foot.

Would that meet our needs today, tomorrow and in the future?

Absolutely.

But again, at the end of whatever, and we're all fairly confident in the next five years, we're not gonna be building a new police department.

I don't think in the next 10 years we're gonna be building a new police department.

So whatever we're we're committing to on one of these two pieces of property, or if anything else pops up in between now and then, wherever we're gonna land, it's probably gonna be a 10-plus year ordeal.

So you anticipate what all will move into the facility, whether it be on Careway or down here.

What would help me understand?

Because I know we we've got a lease uh for building downtown, if I'm not mistaken, uh, that's on the agenda for the council to move some of the 911 staff, correct?

That's a temp lease uh for that staff only.

It's a small small office space lease.

If one of these two properties come into play, and as soon as we can move into them, if the building for the 911 is not built by then, then we can transfer them into whatever we're acquiring.

So you know, if it's a three-year build out, and we acquire something and start moving in any sooner, then whatever that lease is, we can cut that lease and move those few staff into wherever we're going.

Oh for the temporary.

I guess I I got so your quite I think your question was well, what's going where?

So if we come down here on church street, the bulk of police services, administration, and all we're gonna move down here, criminal investigations, administration, uh everything but patrol and evidence, and they would patrol and evidence would move to caraway building, and then all the services that are displaced in our parks department right now, they would all come down here to the church street uh facility.

So we can get everything we need in that building with room left over for the future.

If we go to Caraway, everything that's on the police department building on Caraway now will stay the patrol division and the outlying facilities in the outlying parks uh departments, they will move to that building.

So either way it goes, we're consolidating into two buildings.

The question is, and and both will have adequate space for today, and one for the longer future, and you know.

So again, there's overall lease cost.

There's a you know, is there any options to uh to buy property down the road?

Uh renovation cost take in consideration.

Um this is where we're back at what decision does this committee want to look at and think we need to go with councilman McLean.

Do you have any follow-up?

Not at this time.

Okay, yes, sir.

Kevin or me?

Not sure.

Which one had a question at the time?

Councilman Bryant.

Just to expand a little bit more, Chief Assistant Chief.

Um, let's say Caraway Road, you think that's at how much at capacity is it at how versus the Methodist building, how much capacity are we at versus as we look to the future.

So the next 10-year future, uh looking say look forecasting 10 years.

I think either one will certainly suffice.

Obviously, the the uh union street, the church facility, uh, will cover the next 30 to 40 years if we were there that long.

There's 33,000 square feet in that building.

Uh it's three floors.

The top floor right now is currently is not even built out, it's vacant.

Uh so I could house everything but patrol and the motor pool, you know, down this down this way.

Now on Caraway, I have plenty of uh plenty of parking.

We have plenty of room.

The thing is about that property is there's a lot of land around it.

If something happened and we got locked into that thing, and that space was not adequate, and we end up buying that building, then there's room to grow.

Uh the egress getting in, and now that is uh we got caraway, we can cut through between the two restaurants and then to the back alley.

The one disadvantage down here on Union, the parking is across the street.

There's a a lot across the street that'll be part of the lease, but the city will be responsible for uh seal coating the lot and striping that lot.

And you know, I'm looking at parking about 75 cars during the business day on the lot down there.

Now the church has agreed to anything overflow, we can use their lot during business hours during the week or whatever.

So I don't think that will we would our operation would not interfere with church operation on uh Wednesday nights or Sundays by any means.

Pretty much what what would be down here would be for the most part Monday through Friday operations and police services.

So I think representatives uh from both entities are here tonight also if there's anything as far as leasing and whatever you have in your packets, so they'll be here to discuss also.

Chief, just run down the cost one more time.

First year.

First year.

The first year.

They have they built in to their lease proposal a gradual increase from uh and that first year is it is that a bargain, ten dollars and thirty cents a square foot, but it slowly goes up and oh until year ten, they gave a 10-year proposal, although we're only looking at the initial five, where the other would be steady across the board, the same sixteen dollars a square foot.

What's the stepping?

What's the step increases on that?

From 1030 to uh 11 dollars and 70 cents, 12 dollars and a nickel.

I've got the and you talking about annual cost, okay.

I've got the annual cost as well.

Mr.

Emerson just handed it to me here.

I put it okay.

I think it's part of that okay.

Like year five would be uh four hundred and twenty-two thousand dollars a year.

See so on Caraway property, what's the initial lease?

It's one ninety-six five twenty-eight.

So just a little under two hundred thousand dollars.

On construction cost, it was a million plus on the method of shirt.

That is that is not by any architectural means by you know, but just kind of spitballing what it take to come in and add what we need to add.

Uh that is a very rough number.

But the end of the day, that that is something we're gonna have to look at is and and figure into this that hey, we got to come up with this plus that.

If it's a million meaning and a half, I don't know.

But we're adding more, we're condensing that more people into that building, so it means more cost space and more.

More cost, and it doesn't have more equipment.

The if you think about public access to a law enforcement facility, you you don't want everybody to be able to just walk in the back door.

You want to have some security to your your facility.

I mean, even our accreditation points that out.

And so we would that's not what a church building is designed for.

It's not designed for limited public access, it's designed for everybody to come in.

So there would be some cost to kind of you know set set up that.

We're thinking a million plus on construction plus then going across the street and silk coating and restriping yes, sir.

The block over what about on the caraway road?

What is what's our initial construction to move in over there?

Uh from speaking of Mr.

Caldwell, uh a lot of that cost would be on him.

I'm not sure how much could be 100% or what, but uh, and if I miss speaking, he's feel welcome to step up and correct me on that.

But during uh you're expecting a 10-year lifespan before we would either build a new police station or move out of that one.

A million dollars plus on initial construction is a pretty good chunk when we're at least Caraway Road for 200,000 dollars a year.

We have the first five years for free.

That's what I'm considering here is yes, sir.

That's uh again our job is to present you with uh information that we have and you as a committee to uh take it from there and digest, and again uh you know, doing our we look at the same thing as the cost, and at the end of the day, you know, is there an option to buy the church property?

Uh you know, I don't know if that's been defined if that's uh you know available or not.

Uh there is there is an option on the caraway building, and we can either buy it up front uh being commercial property.

I think it'd certainly be an investment if we end up buying it down the road and did build a big new police department 10, 15, 20 years down the road, that'd be a property that'd be easy to sell.

I think both of them.

Getting that property about five acres on Caraway, somewhere in that ballpark.

Roughly.

Okay.

So would that give you adequate room for possibly future expansion and parking?

Yes, yeah, there's plenty of the building's 12,000 square foot, and behind it's a huge green space that we could certainly uh add fencing and add secure parking uh as time as time grows, time goes on.

So it's for convenience, uh it'd be the ideal for my patrol officers to be able to pull up the side of the building, walk right in for their meeting and get out and go different directions depending on traffic.

Uh looks good.

Now, of course, patrol would be on caraway if we should go to the church, patrol would be in the caraway complex at that point, and for them getting in and out, it's still not gonna be a problem.

My commitment's always been to build you a new station from scratch.

So the idea at the end of the lease of purchasing it's really not figuring into my decision because I think y'all deserve a new building that houses everybody.

We had that discussion on Washington, so I mean I'm trying to do so.

In your opinion, and both your opinion, neither one of them will work for you, and you can make do with either one of our decisions.

We can make we can make do with either one of your decisions.

We always do.

I mean, that's just bringing it down to a financial decision for me, because you're both telling me that either one is act adequate.

I'm telling you that in ten years we're gonna be building a new station, so we just have to figure out which one's gonna be the best thing for our buck for that 10 year period.

How much money you're gonna invest and then walk away from at the end of the day?

I got you.

Thank you, Chief.

Okay.

I think we have one more question.

And assuming we say go with the one, what kind of timeline do we think?

Because there's going to have to be a remodel period, but I don't know if we're talking it'll take two weeks to remodel or two years uh for each facility.

Because I do know we have people scattered and we do need to address that.

We're not going to do a knee jerk reaction tonight, but we do need to address that sooner than right later.

What kind of time would it take to do a remodel?

So your first step is we have to get an architect on board for uh our intercepts.

I didn't know if you had a contract have to come back.

I'm assuming to the council to do that, and then the second phase will be uh getting a contractor on board to do the what needs to be done.

And again, if we're putting the bill for that, then that's on us.

If Mr.

Caldwell is putting the bill on construction down here, then he may have resources to get it done quicker.

I don't know.

That would be a question maybe he can answer.

Uh so what exact cost that he may cover for down there what needs to be done?

Uh again, that's I would say you direct your questions to him.

I think there is some information in the packets that you have.

If you think about it just from a common sense standpoint, a smaller building is going to take a smaller time to build out.

Uh looking at the it says the tenant would only have we'd have 200,000 an improvement.

Is that correct?

And the building down here off union, we have no allowance.

Correct.

Correct.

Have we have either entity approached us about buying either one or and have we asked their question about purchasing?

So the place on Caraway is for sale as we speak, so that that is an option if you want to buy it straight up.

The church right now does not have that option.

What is the asking price for the property on Caraway, Chief?

Mr.

Caldwell?

Over two million.

Two million.

And again, that goes back to that an investment the city wants to make in something we would actually own in 10 15 years.

If we do vacate it for a new building, could we recoup our money?

We just ask that you take that consideration also.

I notice we have the proponents for both of the properties here.

Do either one of them, Carol, do you want to say anything about your property on Caraway Road?

Sure.

And then I think Mr.

Parker's here for the church.

Let's hear from both of them.

Carol Caldwell, half the building's already built out.

Chiefs had the keys for a while.

So you don't have to spend any money in six thousand square feet, bathrooms already in, buildings firewall is already in.

So the two hundred thousand is about what it's gonna cost to do the bill out, the total bill out on the other side.

So any other questions?

I think that's the time frame.

After an architect, after you put it out for bids, I'd say three months.

But the other half the six thousand that's ready now, you can have the keys tomorrow.

You move it in tomorrow.

Is there an opportunity to apply portion to the lease to the purchase price?

No.

You knew I was gonna ask.

I always ask people we're talking real estate.

What uh what's the initial lease on that, Carol?

What's the time frame on that?

A year of the time or two years or five?

Well, we offered five.

Okay.

We're open-minded, uh whatever it takes.

Uh, you know, when it's finished, you shouldn't have to spend any money on it at all.

The two hundred thousand, I think, is enough money to do the bill out on the other half.

You could do heat and air electrical and plumbing, and that's it.

It's six thousand.

I was told it's gonna be a lot of cubicles.

And like I said, the six thousand square feet, you start moving in tomorrow.

You don't have to do one single thing.

It meets all the fire code stuff, it meets the privacy uh about what he was talking about, where I think um the public can't go in part of it or something like that.

Is that right?

Okay, the building's already set up for that, just a stroke of luck that it is, but it is uh I think Chief, you touched on a little bit, but do we have enough parking at both?

I I assume the building downtown we have enough parking.

Do we have enough parking on Caraway?

There's 30 something spots right in front and 82 on the side.

We got plenty of bargain.

32 and 82.

And it's already in.

So again, the parking lot comes with the church across the street.

Uh it would be adequate uh for current staff that would be there, the 72 cars that'd be there daily.

But if we had a class, which this has some a nice classroom, which would be a nice classroom area.

If I brought in 30 to 50 more people during that day, we could overflow over on the church lot.

But the same is true down here on Caraway.

We won't have quite as many cars there because I'm not taking everybody out of the Caraway building.

But if there will be a training room there, a larger training room that I desperately need would be down there.

So if I brought a class of 30, 40 people in, I still have room for those attendees plus what staff would be in that building day in and day out.

So that's the short answer to your question is yes, adequate parking be adequate on both spots.

Chief the $2,600 lease we're considering on Main Street for six months tonight.

Would if we took the smaller place on Careway, would there be room for them in six months?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Yeah, we we can certainly carve out uh a piece for them.

Um the training room that we're talking about would suffice for them that they're training these for dispatchers.

So my main concern is if we went with the smaller facility, would we be eventually be able to move them in to there would be room both places to accommodate them, and then if anything else popped up, uh we can probably make those accommodations also.

Um of the additional cost on this besides the build out uh going to a cubicle concept, there'll be some office furniture, there'll be some funding for that that'll be need be.

So I'm trying to cut down on the number of walls that's going up and go to more of an open area with a cubicle design so to have it kind of help cut down on construction cost, so it'll just be a little bit more efficient and uh cost savings, and then down the road, if we do get a new building, whatever, then if the equipment we can pick up the cubicles and move them elsewhere.

Does anybody else have any more questions for Mr.

Caldwell?

Okay.

At this time I'll have Mr.

Parker come up and speak to the FUMC building.

And Chief, you might just want to you might just want to hang out.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh my name's Don Parker, and I am chairman of the Board of Trustees of the First United Methodist Church.

Uh we were contacted, I think, back in November or December about the possibility of leasing uh our youth building, which has really been underutilized since it was built, and uh certainly we uh welcome the opportunity to visit with the city, and there were a lot of discussions went back and forth, and uh we put together a proposal based on what I had understood uh was uh would be acceptable to the city.

Um I I kind of hear tonight it's more in definite terms, and I'm just here to tell you if there's some negotiation to be done, we're certainly willing to to negotiate.

Uh the building is 36,000 square feet, not 33.

I didn't want to make that clarification.

And when we started looking at it, I had understood that uh at least the first two floors would be pretty much uh ready to move in.

And so tonight hearing a million dollar number for uh for renovation was a little shocking to me, as I'm sure it was to you all.

Um I think that uh I'm again I don't know exactly things may have changed since we uh went through the building with the chief and other city officials.

Uh but there are a number of individual offices and and uh rooms that could be easily converted, I think fairly cheaply uh for use uh for uh city services with the police department.

So we have our proposal.

I know there's been some discussion about an option to purchase.

Um certainly we would consider that if it's something the council wanted.

I my understanding was the city's not in real position to do some buying right now.

But if that's important to the city, we would certainly consider that from the church's perspective.

And I'd be glad to answer any questions that you all may have about the facility or about our proposal.

Thank you, Mr.

Parker.

Um, only thing that I have are some questions that were submitted by the committee or anybody else that was on council, and I think a lot of these have been spoken to tonight, and of course, you being said that we're open to negotiation on some of these, but um, you know, one of these that came up that I think is um not necessarily covered in there, but it was like the clarification on the depreciation process for roof repairs.

Could you speak to that?

That was actually I thought a good suggestion by Brian when we were talking about if there was let's say and you've leased it for 10 years and there was a new roof required in year eight, and we put a 20-year roof on it.

Well, at the end of the lease, if the city moved out and didn't continue leasing the facility, we the church would pay the city back the unamortized portion, i.e.

18 years for the roof.

So basically you're paying whatever you pay for, uh, if you move out, you're recouping the unamortized cost.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Um, does anybody have any questions for Mr.

Parker?

We heard a purchase number on our care on Curaway.

What would has the church in it or thought about a number for purchase?

We have not thought about the number, but we would certainly consider a reasonable proposal.

Probably an appraisal would be appropriate thing to do, and I guarantee you could buy an existing building cheaper than you could build a new one.

Thank you.

I have one quick question.

There was a cost.

Um I I am loud enough, but they'll complain in the back.

Um there was something on there that said court services was allowed, but probation was not allowed.

And and on the misdemeanor side, that's the same thing.

So it would probation services for the misdemeanors be allowed in that building because right now they're one of the unhoused groups from 410.

Those were those that list of uh sir of approved uh divisions was what we received.

So we that yes, so I think there might have been some confusion there, but uh the biggest thing uh I think we did not uh there were some church members that didn't think it would be appropriate for district court to be located there.

Do we have any more questions for Mr.

Parker?

I get one one last question, and this may be Chief Mr.

Parker also 33,000 36,000 square feet.

Is that Chief big enough to consolidate the current Caraway Road and the current everything that we have besides the real-time building that will be eventually built?

I cannot essentially shut down Caraway Road, move to one facility because patrol operations are 24 hours seven days a week, and trying to run that patrol out of this building down here, uh not being able to park next to the building, uh just not feasible.

Not to mention, let me remind you that if we close down Caraway Road, we no longer have control of that building, it reverts to either ASU or the U.S.

Army.

So the this building moving everything into one this one building, uh I would lose uh bay access, my motor pool.

Um so uh either building there's no way I can walk away from the caraway building until we take in consideration if we're gonna build a brand new complex, it will have to include evidence, a large motor pool, so whatever cost we were talking previously talked about, uh jacked that up considerable amount because uh and then plus the lot for storage.

Uh I don't think all the stored and evidence vehicles sitting down there on Caraway, we want on the church lot down here on Union.

You know, down here on Caraway, everything's kind of behind the building, out of sight, out of mind for the most part, but you put that out on main drive through the curve appeal was just not there.

Thank you.

Any further questions?

Uh we could always build a fence, but uh a tall 10-foot wooden fence around that lot would be another building, but again, everything can even consolidated everything down there.

I would have to have actually more parking because that lots will be full as it is with 70 cars, and if I took the everything else plus the extra vehicles, I would need both lots.

So in the day, no, caraway uh we'll have to stay as is services will still be split to some degree, just depends what building we go with, and which we'll go where we've already kind of discussed that.

Any other questions for chief or Mr.

Parker?

And to back up Ms.

Mr.

Parker's comment about the million dollars.

Yeah, there are parts of that building we can't walk in immediately use, don't get me wrong.

But if I'm taking everything, all the investigative and records out of Caraway and moving down here, because there's no sense buying a 36,000 or releasing a 36,000 square foot building for just a handful of people.

If I'm gonna move police operations, then yeah, there's gonna be more walls and probably going up on the third floor and more furniture.

So the the cost plus construction, uh, I think would be very high.

But again, the furniture aspect of it, yeah, we keep walk away when we go back to a new building, whatever, that investment still there.

But again, the furniture aspect of it, yeah, we keep walk away when we go back to a new building, whatever that investment still there, but there will be some uh certainly some inherent construction cost, and again, we're having to pay for the architect.

Uh either way we go.

So I did want to add one thing.

There was some discussions early on uh about just leasing the first two floors, which really satisfies the city's needs.

Uh, but just from an access standpoint, it didn't really make a lot of sense.

Uh we talked about it and it was kind of difficult to figure out how we could both use the building.

The third floor is unfinished, it's heated and cooled, but it's not finished out.

It's one wide open space, it's lighted and heated and cooled.

So there would be uh you could basically design it however you want it to, I think, like the building on Caraway.

Correct.

Uh the only concern that if we didn't take the third floor and they're still left with a church, then that falls under uh CJ's concerns uh being compliant with the with the feds on our computers and things being secured.

So there's a federal government guideline there that would component that to take in consideration on secure facilities.

We can make it happen, we could harden it.

Uh it would be changing outdoors and a lot of locks, but again, not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's dry it will drive the cost.

Anything else for Chief or Mr.

Carter?

Everything's up for discussion and consideration.

All right, thank you, gentlemen.

Thank you.

Appreciate y'all.

All right.

Um this is giving us a lot to think about tonight, a lot of numbers, a lot of um eyes to dot teased across things to um necessarily work out before we continue um any discussions on these items.

So at this time, we'll go ahead and we will um we'll we'll go ahead and close comments for um other communications.

If anybody has any questions that they've necessarily thought of or any um thing, any additional information that they need to move forward in these, please feel free to um send it to myself and I'll distribute it to the applicable parties.

Um only other thing that we have on the agenda tonight for public safety is gonna be public comments.

This is an opportunity from anybody in the public to come up and to address the public safety committee.

If there's anybody in attendance, this is um your time to step to the podium, Mr.

Chair.

While we're waiting on public comments, I noticed Mr.

Caldwell's proposal had a 30-day uh deadline on it.

Are you anticipating calling a special meeting in say two weeks to decide which one of these two proposals we're gonna go with?

I think that that would be Act for Mr.

Calwell.

How are we good on that 30 days or will could it be extended to 4560?

Okay, gotcha.

Thank you, sir.

All right, seeing nobody else that has um come up for public comments.

Next item on the agenda is adjournment.

So moved.

Okay, have a motion.

We stand adjourned.

And city council will begin in.