All right, let's call this meeting to order.

Have a roll call.

Here.

Veload?

Really?

Here.

Here.

Right.

I need a motion to approve the minutes from the meeting of June the 16th, please.

So moved.

Second.

Thank you.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you very much.

Okay, number one.

William Walker.

Tractor supply understand.

Well, we start this.

I need to refuse myself on this one.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Tractor supply.

Come on.

Name and all the above.

Jake Butler, uh, with Corolla Capital, the developers for tractor supply.

Tell us what you want to do.

So I think we have applied for three variances.

I'll just start with the first one, I believe, is the fence variance for the height of the fence, and I've got some graphics here for you guys to look at.

It's all right if I have any.

No, well, you please do.

Okay.

So tractor supply has what they call a fenced outdoor display area, which at this site's gonna be the area behind the subway, the wooded lot behind the subway.

And uh tractor supply stores a lot of their larger uh items out there.

Um and so tractor uh at their current location has a very small FOD.

This one's gonna be larger, and their concern is is their racks in the FOD go up to 12 feet tall.

Uh and so what they're worried about is that the hotel next door uh when they they run what they call a crime index score on all their properties, which just gauges what level of crime they expect to have, and uh and theirs is the average is about 60 to 65, and uh this one came in right at 600, um, and they think it's just from the call outs from the hotel next door, but they're very concerned about crime and people being able to reach over onto the racks being taller than the fence and just pull stuff off.

Um, so it's a problem at their at their current location, um, and so they're just trying to kind of remit remediate that and uh and make sure that doesn't happen here.

So, and what what I gave you is just showing the kind of that fence, that area is tucked behind the subway, um, so it's hidden, it's it's not super visible.

Um just think that that would that that's their request.

That request number one, yes, sir.

You want to go me to go through all of that?

Go ahead and go do the other.

And then the second one is for the side setback that you can see on the south side of the property on that.

That's the property adjoining uh the now Gina's.

Um so building's been there obviously for a very long time, but it's not in compliance anymore.

Um the buildings built, uh, Darrell may know, but it's it's very close to the property line.

So I believe that's just uh get that in compliance.

Uh if there's not any questions on that one, the last one is the uh cross access.

So the the city requested cross access between the the Gina's and the former, I think that's the Dixie Cafe building.

Uh and the issue that we're having with that is tractor supply, they're fine with doing cross access, but they want to have what they call a shared maintenance and insurance agreement, and so uh tractors been on site, they've been to town a lot, and they've seen all the big big trucks coming through there that go to the post office, and that's a private drive.

Uh, and so there's if if they give cross access, there's not going to be any way for them to have a maintenance agreement with the other property owners who use it.

And so tractor's view on it is if if the other the other property owners are using it a lot more than they would, and then they would be responsible to fix it with no no sort of agreement in there for shared cost, or if somebody gets hurt on it and it's a tractor supply customer, there's nothing in there about shared insurance that everybody's gonna name each other as additional insured.

Um so it's a big deal for tractor just because of how many people are utilizing that road.

I think it goes all the way out to Ray Street now, so the hotel's using it, the Gina's the old Dixie Cafe, the post office.

Um a lot of through traffic on it, and with it being a private drive, it's just a big concern of theirs.

No, um, and we're not requiring them to use that.

We just the ordinance is that they um stub out a uh to the adjacent property where they want to that's up to them where they want to put it.

All right.

Well, let's hit this one at a time.

Um members, do y'all have any questions about the uh fenced in area to help protect their racks and the merchandise that's on them?

I don't have a question.

I think I have a statement.

I don't think we've ever done a 12-foot fence variance every um, and so that would be not only along the west side, but along the north, then east and coming all the way back to the northeast corner of the building.

Three sides.

That's right, yes, sir.

Yep, so it's and you know this is I know it hasn't been granted, and these were all built long before that, but it's consistent with like what Lowe's has and what Home Depot has.

A lot of these retailers share that same that same problem in this in kind of in this category of retail.

Um, and uh you know, see a lot of times that they have to come for a variance just because it doesn't fit zoning codes, but it it's extremely problematic for them.

What's the city's opinion of this?

Home Depot and Lowe's both have and Walmart all have fences greater than twelve feet.

Now they never came for a variance, and that was all built before any of this but um there's some out there already built them before we had a uh ordinance.

I wouldn't doubt that they we had the ordinance in place and they'd build them anyway, and they were just built at any of the other sites that we're talking about.

Have there has there ever been any type of a problem that was created by that?

None that we know of.

Okay.

So if the variance was granted for the 12-foot height, would the new fence be have any screening in it?

Yes, sir.

So it would, and we we've shared those with the staff, but it would have the black uh vinyl uh mesh going through it as well, yes, sir.

They had a sample of that in your packet.

You have the picture of that.

Sure.

While he's looking for that, uh just to add this is a extreme high volume store for tractor, and they're they're extremely undersized where they're at.

So I think their sales floors 16 or 17,000 feet, and it'll be 23 here, so it's a significantly larger building and um quite a bit more parking.

I don't know if any of y'all have ever been to the one, but it's super tight.

Every Friday.

I get it.

But I know Kevin, you've seen those with the the black bottle on them.

Okay, any more questions about number one.

Assuming we've had no opposition from any neighbors.

Any opposition out there for the tall fence with the with the um mesh on it.

Okay, seeing none noted, Mr.

Chairman.

I may we accept grant that variance.

Second.

Okay, put it to a vote, please.

Yes.

Bailey.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay, number two.

Just restate that for the memory impaired.

Yeah, of course.

So that this is for the uh the side setback on the south side of the property.

Um building was built very long ago, and um it's built super close to the property line, and uh believe this is just to get it in compliance with the with the current code, it it doesn't meet the 10-foot setback.

So it's nothing that's being added, it's just the existing building right now that's not in compliance of the building.

South side.

Right here, okay, yeah.

Building was built when you could build to the property line.

Questions on number two, Mr.

Chair, I'll move that we grant the setback variance.

Okay.

Second, second roll call, please.

Yes, Bailey.

Yes.

Um yes.

Number three.

Number three is the cross access.

Uh you can see between the I think the code is it's got to be somewhere obviously between the two property owners.

Um and and why that's problematic for tractors, you guys can see that's a private drive that connects all the way out to Ray Street, and it's it's traffic very heavily.

Um and so tractor supplies position, understand the city's positions that we don't have to build that out, but their position is that if we grant it, we show it on a site plan, somebody can utilize it if they need to.

And if somebody started utilizing it, traffic starts flowing through their property.

Uh, there's nothing in there about maintenance and who's gonna take care of the road, the private drive, and the adjoining property owners not willing to put that in place.

Um and so without shared maintenance and without shared access, if that if tractor supply becomes a party to that drive, uh therefore they could be responsible and bear the entire cost for maintaining the drive, which has post office traffic running through it.

Uh I mean it's it's such a problem that if you go there now, Gina's has signs up on the other side.

This is a private drive trying to keep people out.

Uh I mean it it's a problematic private drive, and it's it's just not really something tractor wants to be a party to uh without maintenance or insurance uh uh you know responsibilities put into place and uh and tractors just they've had many uh many times where they've been sued on private drives where their customers is utilizing the private drive, gets in an accident, and there's not shared insurance uh so Daryl, you'd mentioned they just have to put a designate one, is that what you're saying?

They have to stub out to the property.

Um we don't require the um to stub out to that private drive, they can stub out somewhere else to that property of the south, but um that's that's where they seem to want to put it where would you put it?

Well, I'm not sure where else we could put it that's not one stubbed out here, you can stub one out here anywhere along that south property bar.

You don't really have to attach it to the adjoining parking lot.

That's correct.

Just gotta do the property.

You just gotta have a cut in the curb or whatever, but to do that.

But they could you but the southern property owner could utilize that whenever is that right, whenever they needed to or wanted to, and that that's that's tractors' fear is that if they do start to utilize that and all that through traffic's now flowing through tractors parking lot, they're now a party to all this private drive.

I understand we don't have to cut it all the way through right now, but it it could be cut through at any time, and you know, these are Fortune 500 attorneys that are looking at this, and and it's under a lot of scrutiny to make them party of that of that private drive.

If we could get maintenance and insurance agreements put in place where if the road messes up that everybody shares in the cost of fixing it, it wouldn't be an issue at all.

On this plan seems there is one cut or showing one on the plan.

Am I looking at that right?

Right there.

So they were they're doing an addition and they're doing new parking and the additional storage of the wooded area and all that work kicks in the landscape ordinance and the cross access.

Is it and we're and we're doing our best to comply with all the new stormwater and covering the ditches and doing the sidewalks and and we're we're you know, tractors being been very willing and and and trying to satisfy everything.

These were just a this was just one that was they were having a lot of heart burnover, and if it wasn't such a traffic drive, um probably may not be as huge a deal, but it it's been problematic for Gina's already.

They put put several signs up over there trying to keep people from using it, but it's it's constant.

Do they get to keep their two driveways on the Careway?

No, we're losing our southern one and just going to one on the north.

See that now.

It definitely becomes a need.

Um right, wrong or indifferent, but it it the whole purpose of that ordinance is to get keep traffic off of Caraway and to bump along adjacent properties.

Can I approach it?

Sure.

State your name and I'm I'm Philip Barr.

I'm one of the owners of this property.

I don't know when this became ordinance, but I have property on Southwest Drive right beside Outback.

And I know this was less than three years ago.

Checkers was built, replatted, and there's no cross access there.

So I I don't know if this just became a ordinance or not, but I know, and we wanted it there, and we don't have it, so certainly understand about keeping traffic off caraway and and tractor was concerned with that, but uh I I think it's helpful, you know, to I guess try and keep in mind how much traffic is on that private drive, and that it's it's a lot.

I mean it's hundreds of cars a day, and so this isn't really just giving cross access to tractor.

This is this is letting us a city street be put running through their, you know, right right through them.

Um if it was just a private drive that's dead ending, people aren't using it as a cut through, may not be that big of a deal, but I mean, when when we came here and told, you know, said hey, that's a private drive, several people in the in the group didn't even know that.

Uh everybody thought it was a city street.

I mean, it's just extreme.

I mean, I use it.

Who doesn't use it?

Well, a bunch of people use it cut through to the post office.

Um, and so to them, you know, you're just opening up a city street right through the the property without any sort of anybody taking care of it.

just extremely I mean I use it who doesn't use it well but a bunch of people use it cut through to the post office um and so to them you know you're just opening up a city street right through the the property without any sort of anybody taking care of it question to well so what we're talking about is on the caraway side have a larger entrance to facilitate in and out with people pulling trailers things like that that seems narrow for the only entrance we'd we'd be great with that as long as the city's okay with that we'd be great with that that may alter our parking and then we I don't know I don't know that it affect your parking assuming we can accommodate parking I don't we but I think a larger entrance is not going to affect your park well if you wanted to put a left hand turn lane in it and a right hand turn lane um I mean I know you're trying to give we're trying to give here sure yeah absolutely now assuming we can work out parking we can have them look at that we're we we'd love that he'd love it he heard him then to uh redraw that and we'll wait on number three or however you gentlemen want to handle that Rick you you look consternated is it do you understand me?

Yeah I mean yeah I understand it completely could we approve it subject to a larger drive the three three lanes if it yeah I can understand that for for certain but obviously it would need to be shown to the city and sure I'm think I'm talking on the city standard city side I myself would rather see the drawing of how it's going to be handled personally but I think if you if you will sit back and think about this it's probably gonna be the best solution for what's being talked about so I would I would prefer to see a drawing before we grant that sure no problem I'd still like to hear the city's opinion I mean we've got the ordinance that's what that's what we're holding it I mean that's what we're saying is there's an ordinance that requires it.

If y'all want to vary that ordinance that's why they're here and uh I I don't guess I've had it presented before I haven't been privy to it about the um liability and exposure and the maintenance agreement I hadn't had that brought up to us before so can is that something that we should be considering as we require the cross access is they've got they're showing cross access to the north I see that one so I I'm I mean where they're talking about we're not requiring it to be back there.

We just require it into that other parking lot so um what that's that's I mean that's where they they want to draw it but it doesn't have to be there.

Well the car the cars are going from this the the north entrance of the old Dixie Cafe out to Ray Street.

So it's not just the drive on the east side of the property there they're they're turning in I would encourage everybody to go watch and set there for a few minutes between now and when we come back and look how many cars are going through there.

They're coming in at this entrance on the south be the southwest side of the tractor supply and exiting on to Ray Street.

So they're utilizing that entire drive corridor along between our southern property line and Dixie Cafe's northern property line.

It's not just the drive on the east side of the property it's the entire drive lane and then the entire drive if we give access that's all now shared and there's post office big trucks going through there tons of through traffic we will also lose what one or two parking spots.

Yeah yeah we'll lose some parking and you can see tractor does some of their permanent trailer display out there in that area and it's just if y'all would like I bet we can set a we can put a camera up there and give you a count and tell you how many vehicles are actually using it.

It might not be hundreds of d a day but I we can give you a count as to how many vehicles actually use that in a 24 48 hour period wouldn't be a bad idea I would ask that the city would do that.

I'm not trying to hinder we we want TSC to expand we want TSC to to move into your building Phillips we really do.

And you just happen to be one of them.

But when was this passed?

I just asked.

I've had two buildings built beside two of my buildings in the last two years.

And neither one of them have cross access.

Or it's been in place for one and two years.

Seven or eight years I know of quite that long.

So are we picking and choosing what we that's and that's exact good point.

We're trying not to pick and choose.

Well I mean I agree.

We're not picking, we're not picking and choosing on on.

We're trying to make this ordinance work like it's supposed to.

No.

And I didn't mean y'all, I meant from a city standpoint.

Because other people replanted, got permits, built buildings, and never got it in the last two years.

Right beside me, two buildings here in Johnsboro.

And one of them's a big deal to me because I would have loved to have cross access.

I actually was going to approach the owner before they built checkers at El Carr.

Because that would have made sense for our land right beside us.

Well that's unfortunate.

Yeah, I agree.

But if you put a cross access.

Yes, sir.

They own the Gina's and the Dixie Cabinet.

Right, but what about that alley?

Or the the that's that's Cooper's trying to do that.

Cooper runs that's all private.

Okay.

Well, they could close it down anytime they wanted to.

That's right.

Well, and I, you know, that wouldn't surprise me, but if they try and do that.

I mean, with Gina's putting up those signs in that back right corner of the Fred's property.

There's two set one or two signs up right now.

This is not a street, this is a private drive, no through traffic.

Um it's just very problematic and with with as much traffic as it is coming through there.

I mean, street did did the Google car drive through there.

Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out.

It doesn't help that right now TSC has cross access with the gas station at their current property, and it's been a nightmare for them.

Uh tons of people driving across their parking lot.

Um it's just been been really hard.

Also, I'm not sure if the Coopers want that cross access.

No, I mean they're trying to limit people driving through there right now with those.

Yeah, I mean we've said something to Tim and he didn't act like they were interested in having that.

Who have you talked to with that?

Tim Cooper.

Surprised they haven't closed it.

I really I really am.

I mean, it's got to be a nuisance and a headache to them for sure.

Absolutely.

And that's how TSC is looking at it.

They see that if they give cross access now they're they've joined the circus, you know.

I agree with you.

We do these things all over.

Uh I agree with you that cross access is needed.

I live here.

I understand the importance of it.

We developed for tractor, build them in, you know, seven, eight states, do ten to fifteen a year and uh and and do cross access in a lot of places.

I know there's a time for it and a place for it.

I just think this one is is extraordinarily uh difficult uh to make it a positive thing for anybody already won it subway.

Chair I'd move that we place the cross axis variance on the floor for vote second second that a second second okay there it is thank you more no mortal words a meatloaf two out of three ain't bad there you go um anything else uh if we get that larger driveway is that something that we'll talk about it bring us a bring us a plan please okay yeah that's not gonna slow down your progress on rehabbing this building it will track tractors or leaving Johnsboro tractor they're out of time on their lease they're not renewing uh buildings in bad shape that's not gonna affect the building what is it it's not gonna be affecting you rehabbing that building in a way well they just I mean it's a it is a deal killer for tractor so they are they cannot move forward with where they're at um they've been here for sixty years and uh you know I was with them in an airport on Friday and uh and you know they're doing I think they're doing a little over six hundred thousand dollars worth of improvements to the ditches out there um burying everything covering the ditches putting the sidewalks in and that's something we haven't done anywhere else and so they're already you know this is our hometown we've told them we want to get it done and we think we can we're getting them to do a lot a lot of stuff they don't do just like that and these were the three that were uh unfortunately were were kind of hard lines for them so um I understand and and uh hate you know hate that uh that didn't work out um but appreciate the consideration thank y'all okay summit utilities uh this I'm Avery Feltz with trailing engineering representing Summit Utilities uh we produced a set of plans for um 3600 square foot building addition which is over 20 percent of the existing structure which requires us to meet all the new code so uh we've met all that except for we're asking for a variance on the uh equipment storage lot to leave it gravel instead of paving it and we should have are you wanting that request indefinitely or a time limit indefinitely yep we'd offered we've offered things similar to this on a time limited basis but uh tell us uh about your use of that please uh it's strictly it's strictly for equipment storage it's not open to the public it's fenced off they they strictly just storing equipment back there thoughts on that one we have done some for um you know outside storage you know when they've got heavy equipment um that kind of stuff out there that's gonna tear up the asphalt um so it's that's the reason they're here for to go on just to any questions what type of equipment are you gonna be storing back there just heavy heavy construction equipment and like what a gas utility company here in town Travis Fisher Trail and Engineering but they got their materials they store it out there their pipe they have uh their trenching equipment this heavy equipment that they store back there so it's just a it says equipment storage yard material storage yard all we're doing is add another storage building out there it's it's currently got a fence around it correct yes it's completely fenced and solely used for their purposes only has it got any type of screen on that fence just kind of hiding what's in there has any screen on the fence you think you guys would be against maybe doing a little screening I think if my memory's correct I I think we've done this a few times before we left it gravel as long as it was kind of fenced and had maybe a screen around it hiding kind of what was in there just so people weren't visually looking at it.

All we're doing is adding another storage building out there.

It's it's currently got a fence around it, correct?

Yes, it's completely fenced and solely used for their purposes only.

Has it got any type of screen on that fence?

Just kind of hiding what's the case.

You think you guys would be against maybe doing a little screening?

I think if my memory's correct, I I think we've done this a few times before we left it gravel, as long as it was kind of fenced and had maybe a screen around it hiding kind of what was in there, just so people weren't visually looking at it.

Or even knowing that it was just a gravel parking lot.

But I think the last one we did was because uh it was fenced and it was screen, but it was uh material supply company and then debutted commercial offices and stuff like that.

So this is out there in the industrial world.

Yeah, it is.

I mean it's there now, is it not?

The fence is down, isn't it?

There, the fences are fences exist.

Is that the trailer manufacturing place there?

To the Jaco, I think the Jacob sales.

Jake O, yeah, mash prince.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And any further questions.

Is it something that they would consider screening that fence?

We can ask.

I think it would be better to their advantage, honestly.

Uh I would I think it would be a better appearance overall.

So I'd like to see that.

Okay.

We'll make that happen then.

Is that a motion?

I'll make it a little bit.

Make that informal motion.

All right, make a motion, Rick.

Let's hear it.

Um grant the variants with the understanding that that whole area has to be screened where the fencing is to close in the equipment so it cannot be seen.

Okay, thank you.

Motion second, and may we have a roll call.

Yes.

Really?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank y'all.

All right.

Chris Moore.

Good afternoon.

My name's Chris Moore.

Uh, my proposal or my variance I'm asking for is pretty straightforward.

This is uh approximately a 600 or a six-acre lot on straw floor road.

It's 256,000 and some odd square feet.

You can see it has a house on it that faces uh road.

And what I'm wanting to do, there are two existing storage buildings right there between the house and the proposed building site.

What I'm wanting to do is they're pretty dilapidated.

I'm wanting to tear those two buildings down, consolidate into one residential storage building.

The uh site here is uh uh the topography on it is you almost cannot see anything from the road.

It's uh bordered on three sides by the city of Jonesboro Oaklawn Cemetery, straw floor cemetery, and then Jordan Lane's currently constructing uh metal building or remodeling a metal building on the north side, has no no direct neighbor, as you can see.

There's woods on all three sides, and uh it'll remain that away because there's an approximately a 60-foot deep ravine that surrounds this property on three sides.

The area you see in grass is the only area that's flat.

All the woods drop down, so they'll uh really always be screening.

What I want to do is uh store our boat, our camper, and then obviously it's six acres of or close to it of mowing, and we'll have lawn tractor and stuff like that in there.

So Chris, are you gonna move in this house?

It's currently occupied.

What uh my wife and I's uh idea is there's a woman that lives there and she's 72 years old and she's lived there since 1982, and what she requested when we entered into an offer and acceptance on there is that we let her live there for ten dollars a year for the rest of her life, so I honored that and we're gonna issue a lease with her for that.

When she passes away, we intend to build a new home right there on that exact site.

And tell us about that future home.

Be bigger than the building.

Oh yeah, I mean we'll we'll build a large residential home on that.

You're gonna tear down the old house.

Oh, yeah, we'll tear down the old house, and as a condition of a variance, we would uh be glad uh as a condition that we go on and tear down the other two existing storage buildings that are currently on the lot right now.

So like I say they're dilapidated and kind of an eyesore.

The reason he's here is because of the square footage of the new storage building versus the existing house.

Correct.

Okay.

We want to build a standard 40 by 60 uh building.

How large is the home that's on the site now?

I don't know that drawing you have.

We had a boundary survey done two weeks ago to prepare for this.

That is to scale, so I'm gonna say that the home is almost as big as the proposed building.

Like I say it it it was it is to scale, so what's the city's thoughts?

Again, I mean we've got the ordinance, but it's it's here for y'all.

It it's gonna be hard to see even see this building when it's built from if you go out there and if you even look at street view and look down there, it's hard to see back very far off that road.

So we did deny one on straw floor, but they were he was gonna build the building on straw floor.

It was literally on it ten foot off the edge of pavement.

Right.

I think the important aspect out there is there's no possibility of having any adjoining neighbors.

The topography of the land doesn't uh allow you to build up next to it, and then the neighbors are all in a cemetery, so I mean it's pretty much Wide isn't it?

Yeah, I mean it's your intent, Chris, is when when the lady passes, you are gonna do something with that house.

And oh yeah, most definitely.

The house is I'm not gonna say it's a bad house, but beyond being economically south of coal as far as three monster.

We uh intend to do the exact same thing, come in, pair that house.

The reason we put that building in the same orientation because it'll eventually be in the backyard of the middle house.

Same.

Okay.

I don't know if you're familiar, Kevin probably knows the site for the last 25 years.

Directly across the street has been a hard field uh area, and the north side of this is currently being used for hard field, which will be coming to an end by the end of this year, and then we decide to be reclaimed on that north side, and uh actually quite a nice place there and a lot of field hauled in there with the last 20 years, Mr.

Chair.

Before because of the topography of the land and and the future building uh of the new house, I I move that we grant this variance.

We have a second second call, please.

My look uh Bailey.

Yes, yes, yes.

Thank you, Chris.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Um Miss Farley.

Thanks for being patient.

Tell us what you want to do.

Uh I got a permit for a fence that's already built.

I didn't know I was supposed to get a permit, but I did after I found out I got the permit.

Well now I find out that from the eve to the road, it's not supposed to be more than four feet.

I'm asking for a variance for that.

It does kind of taper down closer to the road to the four feet to make it easier to see backing out.

Yeah, it's supposed to be six feet until it lines up with the side of your home.

The front of your home.

And then from there to the street, supposed to be four feet.

50% open, right?

Four feet and 50%.

Yes.

I haven't seen this fence here.

Is it is it 50% open?

Meaning is there it's just one between the two properties is all it is.

Uh single face fence or uh shadow box.

I don't know what all that is.

Okay.

Single face fence is that you just got boards that are lined up.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then the uh shadow boxes, they're kind of offset.

Anyway, that's no, they're just a straight line.

Straight line.

All I know.

Where's the good side facing?

Pardon?

The good side of this fence.

Which side is it facing?

Uh the pretty side faces me.

That's strike two.

Pardon?

I said that's strike number two.

Oh, is it?

Yes, ma'am.

Wow.

Okay.

You're supposed to put the good side to your neighbor.

You've seen the fence?

I haven't seen the fence.

Have you seen it?

Y'all seen it?

Oh, it does face the neighbor?

Good.

Sorry.

Well, we'll take that strike back.

You still got two left.

So one strike was removed.

We had the uh was that ABS?

Automatic balls of strikes, yeah.

She challenged it.

Um somebody build this for you.

Yeah, a friend did.

A friend, not accompanying.

No.

Okay.

Do we know of any opposition to this, Mr.

Chairman?

I have an ask.

Is there any opposition?

Thank you.

Seeing none, thank you.

Well, tell me, dear, um, how would how hard would it be to uh lower that fence from the to the I would have to hire somebody have run into so many problems with that house that I'm about to run out of money.

I understand.

Is your friend still your friend?

Well, he's gotten so busy, I don't know he'll have time, but I'll look for somebody if I have to well the thing is we don't want to set a precedent that we don't want to keep allowing to happen.

Does that make sense?

So I've I've put in fences that go toward the street, and I you know they stop at six feet at at the edge of the front of the home and then drop down to four at 50 percent open, and that's just how things really should be.

And I know it's um pain when you have to come up here not being led in the right direction by your friend or whatever, and not getting a permit.

That would have that would explain that to you.

Yeah, um and I I'm sorry for that, but we are in a situation where um it's out of compliance, and and for us to give the variance something built without a permit outside the ordinance, that's gonna that's that's not a good look, you know.

Yeah, I just didn't know I was supposed to get one.

I understand.

You can always roll the dice up here and see how everybody likes it.

But I'm not I'm not saying no, I can't say no.

It's a it's a joint effort here.

I'm just stating the facts.

So uh did you build that fence on both sides of the home?

No, just the one, just the one row.

Is it nine hundred or nine ten?

Which uh nine oh six well you're 906, correct?

So is the fence on the closer to the neighbor of 900?

It's closer to the 910 at the closer to the 910, so it's on this side of the home.

Okay.

All right.

You so you just ran it all the way up to the road.

Did you go to the road?

Is it touch the road?

I mean, are you too stop before you got to the road?

Yes.

Okay.

Can you come up front and tell us please?

Yeah.

Uh the fence is about three feet from the road.

It's got a good taper down.

She has about seven feet or six foot from the uh front edge.

I mean, everything's a compliance up for that six foot six foot of set six to seven feet of six foot height.

And uh tapering down up to about four feet.

She got about three about about she got a good little length of space.

She she did she get to get she did not get in the right of way.

So that was one of the the helpful things that right there.

So other than that, uh she has a permit now.

Uh when she found out, uh, but I had to go out and inspect it, and that's what we we saw.

How far does the six foot run that's really out of it?

About six foot.

Uh that's six foot out of compliance from the front edge.

I mean, then it goes down.

So her her perning front lining in the house, then it goes about another six foot slides.

Then it slants, okay.

But she's out of the right-of-way uh forest that so that's about it.

Nothing stopping any viewing either way, no, of the uh from the fence, no, no sir.

To be clear, so we're talking about six foot of fence out of height ordinance for feet.

Six foot fence.

Yes, sir.

About sixty-seven feet of fence uh out of out of out of uh code ordinance for fence code.

This didn't come through a complaint, also, so it wasn't somebody it wasn't code enforcement by it wasn't complaining.

Did he complain?

Okay.

So there was a complaint filed against it, yes.

Okay.

Any other questions?

So we're she's asking for a variance not to lower the fence and require it to be 50% visible.

Say that again.

Also, it's gotta be we we've got we got quite a few of them out there that's just like what she got on the four foot level headed down.

I I I see it every day.

So I'm clear.

Should there are other fences out there that are out of compliance?

Yes, we have we have we have some that's out there on a four-foot lever, four foot height that's not 50% open, and that's not shadow box, it's not shuttle box, solid Mr.

Chair.

I move that we put the variance request on the floor for a vote.

Okay, is there a second second?

All right, roll call, please.

No, no, okay, both no.

So let the city inform you what you need to do as far as making that part of the fence that's in front of your home that reaches out beyond your home, have that drop down to four feet at 50 percent, which means there's skip a board.

So instead of instead of it being all boards, it'll have to be a board, then a gap, a board, then a gap.

That makes sense.

I know it's you don't you don't have to like it.

Well, I like a picket.

Yeah, like a picket, yeah.

Uh I mean I don't even like fence myself, but we'll we'll we'll we you can come up to planning and we'll give you an idea we talk about okay.

Okay.

Gentleman right there, and this one here, and they're here to help.

So anyway, thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you, Miss Farley.

All right.

Anybody here from Civil Logic?

Come on, you don't even look like George Hammond.

I know.

Chris.

You done got yes, sir.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I work for Todd Hick and Boston, the owner of the property.

Okay.

And George was out of town, and uh oh, this is number one.

This is the uh 218 and 220 Lab.

It's still under George's name.

Okay.

Or Simbol Logic.

Do you know anything about that one?

No, sir.

Do y'all have are y'all on that one?

No, come on up here.

Sorry, sorry for the confusion.

You can set I'll be with you in a minute.

My name is Reginald Prunty.

Reginald Prunti.

Yes, uh I have not seen you since high school.

You correct.

We've changed a little bit.

Well, just a little bit.

Just a little bit.

That's right.

Tell us what you want to do.

Well, actually, can I have a well?

We want to build a duplex, uh, three bedroom, two full baths.

And on that property, I think on the variance that they were doing, uh, and I'm gonna take these off so I can see.

Yeah.

Uh, on the property that we were doing, the variance that they were doing on the front there off of um la bomb with a 20-foot setback, which we kind of uh needed somewhat of a variance on it, but if you look down the street where they had already built a sidewalk, if you took that sidewalk at adjacent and took it all the way to Johnson, we would have exactly what we needed, and we did talk about it as to you know what was needed if they needed a um a right-of-way or anything like that.

The only objection that I have to it, I'm okay with it.

When we bought it, it was the 150 by 50 in size.

Somewhere along the line is it is adjusted to a 150 by 45, which we I guess we just have to narrow the the duplex.

Uh we are good with putting the parking in the rear where the alley is located.

I'm okay with that.

The only thing the other thing that I had a problem with is the development in Jonesboro across for South Jonesboro versus North, those properties were set up at 140, 150 by one by 150 by 50, which is uh extra hundred foot square if you did it the other way.

You could build a nice house that looks good.

These lots were designed for shotgun houses, if you would, front door looks straight to the city.

So it doesn't look like a very eloquent place when you turn it sideways.

So the reason we're here is because when we bought the property, it was in plots.

Lots one, two, and three, you know, little squares, and there's concrete slabs there where it used to be little houses for people.

And I remember years ago when we were kids growing up, Pete Shelton used to be there.

Some of y'all may remember him, but it was a house built, you know, on top of those slabs.

So we've already got that already done with the the landscape.

They they fixed that.

So where we are now is the only objection I have is having sidewalks on Word.

Word is going nowhere.

Uh Arkansas Glass is built in the middle of the street, so they closed the street when I was a child.

I grew up in that community.

By the way, I'm seven years old, so I know that community well.

Mr.

Miller had a gas station, they blocked it off going to Patrick.

So it's a six-block stretch, it's never gonna grow, it's never gonna anything's gonna happen.

We're very comfortable in that community with the one sidewalk that is pretty wide.

On this side, you can't put a sidewalk anyway.

It's not enough room.

The property that's at the back of us is a hill about this high.

So we didn't put sidewalk down, they got to cut it down and move over.

Where mine is sitting, it's a tree bigger round than this.

Uh that would like to see them the city cut down.

That was just a joke.

But at the end of the day, that's kind of where we are.

And I'm willing to clean the alley up so we can you know park it in the rear.

I'd really like to do it the other way.

Reginald, is that uh alley on the back side of these uh Lab properties?

Is the alley on the back side of your bomb properties coming off word?

Uh yes, it is.

Okay.

And that's a dedicated alley by the city.

And you can get can you get access to your property through there?

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Continue.

Well, best category are we have the you know, the platinum and everything to the size.

We'd had design um the size of the building at you know, the size of the lot when we bought it is 50 by 150.

But now that it's been reduced to 45, we had to slim it down.

So I mean, we're okay with that.

I mean, the plans that we have in place, I'm good with it.

We can roll with it as when they had the meeting.

I don't think I really have a lot of objections.

Just basically, people have to take in account that North Jonesboro was designed a little different than the rest of Jonesboro.

If you go to the whole west end and the north end were all 50-foot lots, exactly.

So if you go down the forest, when we grew up as kids, all it was wooded area.

That lot, those lots were developed for housing, normal normal looking houses.

So that's just one area from Miller over to Forth.

It was just designed that way.

So we can't make that portion look like the rest of Jonesboro.

But we can beautify what we have in place.

As you develop the plans for these uh the duplexes, right?

Not triplexes, duplexes, all right.

You're building two duplexes.

Which way are the doors facing?

The entrance doors.

The doors are actually gonna face the bomb.

Okay, both both doors.

No, no, we're gonna actually let me change that.

We're gonna have to put the doors, it would be facing word per se, because you'd have to go up the side, you know, the walkway.

Okay.

You you couldn't put them there unless you put one front there.

That wouldn't work.

It just wouldn't work that way.

So that's how we're gonna do that duplex.

The one on the corner.

On no the one on the 218 Lab.

The 220 Lab has a house sitting on it, which we're gonna get this one built first, then tear one down that was built in 96 1962 and put the other one where that house is presently set.

So uh the entrance on this on the I'm gonna call it the second one, not the one on Word and Lab, but the one only on Lab.

That's the second one.

The one on the bottom.

Where were those doors be?

The the front door?

The entrance to the entrance to them.

It actually has to be facing Word.

It'll be facing the uh the other building.

Yeah, yeah.

And there'll be concrete sidewalk.

Yeah, yeah.

And what's gonna face La Bomb?

What's the look?

Well, actually, there would be a door there, but it wouldn't be the front door, if that makes sense.

Because you gotta have two doors, kind of like a you're gonna put a a door on the on the on that side and that side.

Well, actually, I would we wanted one on the and the front too.

Yes, yeah.

Okay, so you're gonna have each unit will have two entrances.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Well, that's the whole problem.

We've got an issue on Matthews where they built spaceships.

They built triplex or whatever it is, sideways.

Right.

Before we could change the ordinance so you can't do that anymore.

Because they look like bad.

So that's why I'm asking is that what's the bomb side of these units gonna look like and uh and facing the alley, so there'll be exits and entrances facing La Bomb and facing the alley.

No.

Okay.

Tell me tell me where I'm wrong.

The way it designed, you got a parking, you get out your car and you walk down.

Here's the front door for this duplex.

You walk down this way, you go in this way for that one.

You've got to have a door uh here, and on the other, I think it was one showing like going.

If I look at this plan, Ruth, you got that plan there.

So say, do you have a set of plans that you're that you're working off of, Reginald?

Oh, yeah.

Thank you.

Because originally when we did it the first, we wanted to put uh like a garage on them, and we changed that because you couldn't bring it off of uh LeBont.

The building plants can be kind of how we built that.

You got doors on the Willow Hall.

Well, you should have mentioned that about 30 minutes ago.

Saved us a lot of time.

Oh I'm gonna quit nailing you on that.

Apparently Daryl's saying it.

So anyway, um, it gives me practice.

I don't need practice, Reginald.

I need to go back to work.

So um thank you for that.

Um they're looking over that.

Uh any more questions that you've got from Mr.

Pernie.

Which set back?

Are we is he needing the variance for pretty much all over?

All the way around the whole thing.

So you got up the whole list right here.

Um you've got the west building set back to 10 feet, interior side set back to five feet, east building set back to 15 feet, word street building set back to five feet, um, and lot whips lot widths to 45 feet.

So we're asking for four variables.

I thought we were looking at five feet on the bomb.

Well, that's that's where I was.

I was kind of like we just got one setback, all right.

Yeah, okay.

So West.

Yeah, wow, yeah.

Bunch of them soak in here.

Sure we are.

So is it five feet all the way around?

Basically, Mr.

Daryl, five feet on west, five feet on the ten feet on the ten on the west, um west building setback, fifteen feet on the east building set back here it is not matter.

Would it not make more sense just to replant this into one?

I mean, can you do that and then make one large fourplex?

No, or is it not zoned for that?

Okay, I don't know, I'm a zoning.

Have we done any kind of four-sided setback variances in the north end?

You know, if you were south of Johnson, this would probably fit without a variance in the redevelopment district.

So but we're just across the you're on the other side of Johnson.

Yeah.

Um I certainly don't want to discourage redevelopment.

I don't that's my standard question.

Have we had any opposition to this at all that we know of?

We haven't had any calls on this that I'm aware of, have we?

No.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm not aware of any calls on this.

Any other development going on in this particular area?

Yes.

Reginald?

Yes.

There's development on word.

Okay.

And all the duplexes built on how long how long ago, how long has it been the this has been going on now?

Probably what maybe 10 years.

Because I know Michael ever was built duplexes one on the corner.

It's one right there on Millro.

There's two across the street.

You go over the word, one, two, three, four, six.

So as you go up to where it's uh a word to fish.

They're duplexes that they built.

Pretty much everyone has did the same thing.

The only question that I have, a lot of times they're parking, like let's say off of where it is running this way.

Our gardeners is when outlet, they're parking in front of the duplexes, but they had no alleys.

So we knew it had to be a variance done.

This one just happened to have an alley where you could actually do a compliance with the new ordinance that they have for um South George across Johnson.

But we don't have that kind of space over there to make that happen.

But development is are any of these under construction now?

Uh no, they're finished.

Okay.

Yeah, they're all finished.

Our department got any problems with these two buildings being that closed.

Any more questions from Mr.

Primo?

Errol, is there anything other than what we've discussed that could be that could throw a red flag into this?

I mean, that's probably I'm sure that's a loaded question, but we got six what red flags on it already.

Uh not at this time, I mean I don't think any of us want to stop progress.

I don't think you think at this time.

Now, in the future, you know, something comes up, we'll be back.

But right now, if we can get if you can get this, everything will go forward, Mr.

Chairman.

I don't want to see stop progress, so I'm gonna move that we grant the variance.

Hey, is there a second?

Second.

Okay, you put that to a vote, sir.

My yes, barely yes, yes, yes.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Thank you very much.

Oh, but it's not another 50 years until I see you again.

Well, let's hope now I won't be alive in 50 years.

I'm gonna go enough to do it.

You're gonna keep going.

You just getting started, is that what you're saying?

That's what I'm telling you.

There you go.

There you go.

Just the beginning of the process.

Thank you for your time, sir.

Are we the last ones?

No, no.

I don't see nobody.

Oh, I'll just be taking it, sir.

Thank you.

Tell us what's going on now.

And where's George?

George said that he was on vacation.

Oh well, he stays on vacation.

Plus it's hard.

So this is on Southwest Drive.

Yes, sir.

Tell us what's going on.

This building is 20 years old, and uh I think Todd is selling this building, and they recently had it surveyed and found out that's a little bit close to the property lines on the uh on two on the side and on the uh south back part a few feet and they're just wanting to get this cleared up and get the variants before they sell it, I believe.

You're just trying to clean this up so for sale or yes, sir.

Or okay, you're not adding on no sir anything.

You're just trying to get it in compliance.

Right, yes.

Gotcha.

So you don't want to take two and a half inches off the one side of it.

Yeah.

We give you the one the one foot nine variants, and you take two inches off the other side.

That'd be a fun project.

Or maybe just try to appreciate it a little bit and see what happens.

Yeah.

Mr.

Chair, I'd like to make a motion we approve the variance.

Second.

Right.

And we need a roll call.

Yes.

Really?

Yes.

Thank you for your making.

All right, well, thank you.

If you stayed retired, he wouldn't be on vacation.

Huh?

We haven't adjourned, no, sir.

Not gonna let us.

Okay.

Stay down.

Sit down.

Absolutely.

Are you cooking?

I didn't do all of you, it's all the cooking.

Mr.

Chair, I'd like to make a motion we adjourn me.

Second.