15th, 2025 to order at six eleven pm.

Mr.

Brooks, would you lead us in the flag salute, please?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Mr.

Brooks.

Miss Hall, would you read the land acknowledgement, please?

Yes, we would like to acknowledge that the city and borough of Juneau is on Clinkett Land and wish to honor the indigenous people of this land.

For more than ten thousand years, Alaska native people have been and continue to be integral to the well-being of our community.

We are grateful to be in this place, a part of this community, and to honor the culture, traditions, and resilience of the Clinkett people.

Gunish cheese.

Thank you, Miss Hall.

Um, I do not believe you have special order of business.

Very good.

May I have a motion to approve the November seventeenth regular assembly meeting minutes, please.

Oh that part.

Excuse me.

Miss Hendricks, would you call the role?

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Ms.

Apologies, Mr.

Kelly.

Here.

Ms.

Adkison.

Here.

Mr.

Steininger.

Here.

Ms.

Hall.

Here.

Mr.

Brooks.

Here.

Deputy Mayor Smith?

Here.

And for the record, Madam Mayor, Ms.

Wool, Miss Hugh Scandis are absent.

You have quorum.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendrix.

Now noting again that we do not have no special orders of business and may have a motion to approve the minutes.

Mr.

Kelly.

I move that we approve the minutes for the November seventeenth, twenty twenty-five regular assembly meeting and ask for unanimous consent.

Seeing no objections, those minutes are approved.

Mr.

Manager, any requests for agenda changes.

I'd like to change the manager's recommendation from what it is to the city manager recommends the assembly introduce this item and place it for action at the next regular meeting.

That change is made.

Now we're on to public particip any other changes, Mr.

Manager.

Very good.

Thank you.

Now we're on to public participation on non-agenda items.

We'll give each testifier or participant two minutes to testify.

We'll start online if that works.

If you could raise your hand or star nine on the phone, and we can bring you over.

Hi there, can you hear me okay?

We can, thank you.

If you'd if you give your name and part of town you live in, and then you may begin your two minutes of testimony.

Thanks.

My name's Max Rosen.

I live in the Barons neighborhood downtown.

I'm on the board of the Friends of the Juno Public Libraries, and I'm here to share my personal appreciation for public libraries.

Libraries have been an important presence throughout my life.

Early exposure to libraries through story time inspired a lifelong love of reading.

Learning how to use a library, how to find reliable information, allowed me to gain a sense of independence.

I worked at the Juno Public Libraries in high school, and after college, I returned and worked there for another five years.

During that time, I saw firsthand how libraries provide resources to a wide cross section of our community.

I saw families, students, and teachers, and people who were struggling, and sometimes people falling through the cracks.

The library couldn't fix everyone's problems, but it was a non-judgmental place to find information, stability, and support.

I see libraries as filling a vital need in all communities, but especially in ours.

I know your budget process this year will be challenging, and I strongly urge you to remember that our libraries serve as a bridge between all of our community members and resources that can make a real difference in their lives.

Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you, and thank you for your continued support of Juno Public Libraries.

Thank you, Mr.

Rosen, for testifying tonight.

Any questions from the assembly?

Seeing none, Mr.

Rosen, thank you.

We'll move on to have we seen anything from Mr.

Whitman.

We'll move on to Joshua Adams.

Mr.

Adams, if you're online, raise your hand, star nine on the phone, and we can bring you over.

Hello, can you hear me?

We can.

Thank you.

If you'd say your name and part of town you live in for the record, you have two minutes.

Yes.

My name is Joshua Adams, and I am an incremental developer.

That means I live and work atop the scaffold and underneath crawl spaces in local historic homes.

The houses on Telephone Hill represent many architectural styles.

Each is a snapshot in time and part of an unfolding jigsaw puzzle that sheds light on how we lived in Southeast Alaska and built long ago.

Every time we lose a historic home, a piece of that puzzle goes missing.

The houses on Telephone Hill were built at different times, giving them the added mystique of being a menagerie of cultural and architectural styles spanning two centuries.

Three out of the seven remaining houses on Telephone Hill are pre-territorial, meaning that they were constructed before Alaska even became a territory.

Not a lot from that time period has survived.

And most of it is located in Southeast Alaska.

The Edward Webster House, being the oldest home in Alaska, demonstrates the simpler classic box architectural style that was an alternative to the later, more ornate Edwardian style that proliferated around town after Alaska became a territory.

The Bosch Kerrigan House constructed in 1913 is an example of late Victorian architecture.

That house has the artisan stamp, the old steam laundry building that you see in downtown South Franklin.

The Martin Johnson House has been declared a two-door revival home.

Having been built two decades after the Bosch Carrigan House, the steep roof line of the tight eaves and the scalloped interior stucco ceiling, imitate a design that dates back to the reign of King Henry VIII.

Instead of spending our tax dollars advertising the irrevocable demolition of our history, which to the assembly seems to be a foregone conclusion.

I wish that our assembly would spend some of its dwindling resources on a section 106 review of Telephone Hill before they demolish.

If they go ahead and demolish Telephone Hill without that, they aren't just taking away 13 perfectly livable units.

They're taking away our right to remember them.

Thank you for listening.

Thank you, Mr.

Adams.

Any questions from the assembly?

Seeing none, Mr.

Adams, thank you for testifying tonight.

Any sign from Mr.

Whitman.

Very good.

Mr.

Whitman.

Can you hear us?

Can you hear me?

We can.

Thank you.

If you'd say your name in part of town for the record, and then you begin your two minutes of testimony, please.

Thank you.

Mark Whitman, Douglas Alaska.

Uh thank you for hearing me.

Oh.

I'm speaking about Hearth and Home.

Telephone Hill was at the corner of Third and Main Street, tunneled into that hill was a brick oven bakery built in the year of 1881.

And it was there till 1917, run by a Chinese male named Chong Chu Sui, China Joe.

And he baked sourdough bread in a brick oven on a three-day cycle.

And he was granted a home there.

He carried meals up to the prison in the courthouse, both courthouses, and was never paid for doing that.

He's Juno's history.

When all the Chinese were chased out at gunpoint in 1886, he was the man who the last Chinese male and all his friends came and stood around his log cabin bakery.

And they stood there with guns and they said, You leave him alone.

This man saved our lives.

In 1874 in the Cassiar, when the river froze up and no one had food, he gave all the food to his friends and said, No, you don't, I won't charge you.

You pay me back if you have money in the spring.

They remembered that.

And years later, when they came to drive him out, his friends stood around him there at the foot of Telephone Hill.

And for the next 40 years, he lived there.

Every Chinese New Year, he opened his house for three days.

To every man, woman, and child could come in and have a buffet.

You could have a Havana cigar.

And that's part of our history.

But you know what?

It's vanishing.

It's vanishing.

So I understand, Madam Mayor, that you uh you asked about the heritage roses that are up on that hill and if there was any way to preserve them.

Well, I feel about China Joe and his bakery site and that hill, like you feel about the roses.

And what I'm asking is if we're going to preserve history, we want more than just signs.

We want people with a generous spirit who have hearth and home living up there with their gardens with roses you treasure, with the memory of a 40-year brick oven bakery that I treasure.

And all that's vanishing in what you're doing is sweeping it away.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Mr.

Whitman.

Any clarifying questions from the assembly.

Seeing none, Mr.

Whitman, thank you for your testimony this evening.

Thank you.

Now I'll move to in person non-agenda item public participation.

First, I have is Catherine Fritz.

Ms.

Fritz, you go to the you know where to go.

And make the mic green by pressing the button.

Thank you.

Catherine Fritz, I live in the Highlands neighborhood.

Um, I'm here tonight to ask you to please analyze concept D of the Telephone Hill Place Guide.

This concept uses incremental infill to increase density while maintaining the neighborhood.

Incremental infill with the works with existing strata to integrate and strengthen rather than demolish and create new.

Concept D receives strong community support during last year's planning process.

There are many emerits to infill development, and here are three that I believe are compelling to Telephone Hill.

One, keeping the scale of development small, which empowers local residential construction and long-term ownership.

It keeps the neighborhood in the hands of people who are invested in the community.

Two, it significantly lowers the city's financial outlay because the land and buildings can be sold and used in their existing conditions.

5.5 million of public money is not needed to demolish structures and blast the hill.

Three, in field projects can be completed much faster than a larger development of 155 units.

This not only gets needed housing on the market quicker, but it also brings property tax dollar revenues into the city faster.

Local architect James Bibb and I had two telephone meetings with staff of the nonprofit incremental development alliance to discuss how their expertise could benefit Juno.

I've provided you with a narrative that describes a two-hour educational webinar that could introduce these strategies.

This could be followed by an expanded one to two-day workshop that could address a variety of Juno's housing challenges.

Analyzing concept D does not require that you stop your current efforts on concept C, the 155-unit option.

Instead, it gives you more information to take actions about the number of units that the neighborhood can realistically support in concert with the amount of public funding that will be necessary to bring success.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Fritz.

Questions from the assembly.

Mr.

Brooks.

Thank you for your testimony.

Have you uh talked to any local developers about this option and what their thoughts are?

Ms.

Fritz.

I have not.

Thank you.

Um I've only talked with the um persons associated with the organization that is one that could help inform the community about this.

So thank you.

Any further questions?

Seeing none, Ms.

Fritz, thank you for your testimony tonight.

Next, I have uh Larry Talley.

Mr.

Talley, if you say your name for the record part of town, begin your two minutes.

Thank you.

My name is Larry Talley.

I live in the flats.

Uh once again, I want to thank you all for doing this difficult job.

Uh recently I've been researching housing and what local governments can do to improve access to housing in their communities.

I've spent a lot of time understanding demystifying development math and making a pencil, the math behind housing development 2023 update.

These are publications of the Turner Center for Housing Innovation at University of California, Berkeley.

They note that underlying every housing project is a pro forma.

The financial analysis a developer uses to estimate total development cost relative to projected income in order to determine financial feasibility.

That's a quote.

And another quote regardless of building type, the financing principles of any new housing development are the same.

Any project must demonstrate the ability to meet an acceptable financial return in order to obtain the capital necessary to pay for the construction.

Close quote.

CBJ has not published your Proforma for Telephone Hill redevelopment.

Of course, CBJ is not a housing developer.

However, CBJ is moving forward with demolition of 13 housing units and spending $9 million on demolition, site preparation, road and utilities for some unspecified future housing development.

I suggest this investment puts you in a position where you should be looking at a pro forma.

Since staff haven't provided one, I've prepared a pro forma for you.

You'll find it in front of you.

And it looks like this.

And I've also emailed it to you as an Excel spreadsheet.

A feasibility gap of $14 million.

This is an unrealistic generous.

This is after unrealistically generous subsidies and low construction costs.

If there are bankers or real estate investors in the room, I wonder if any of them are interested in being part of this exciting opportunity.

Well, the six cost costs 66 million worth 52 million.

Thank you, Mr.

Talley.

Any questions from the assembly?

I have one.

Mr.

Talley, I guess similar to Mr.

Brooks asked before, I mean, did you run these by experts and you know, developers or experts in the, you know, a good question in development.

Yeah, I am not an expert, as you probably realized.

Um I uh I contacted a commercial real estate appraisal uh uh guy named Kim uh Holt, I think, uh, in Seattle, and uh had him, you know, do a quick run through with me.

Mostly he thought that I was being too generous.

Um, and I also took it the Juno Economic Development Council and showed it to Brian Holst and Sam Meuse, and uh they agreed with me that you know I was being too generous, but uh yeah, that's basically what a what a pro forma for it would look like.

And being too generous in underestimating cost, overestimating income.

Thank you, Mr.

Talley.

By the way, I also left this in front of you.

This was a brochure for the Fairbanks in Fill seminar, so the colorful thing is uh related to Catherine's testimony.

Thank you, Mr.

Talley.

Seeing no other questions, appreciate your testimony tonight.

Next, I have Paige Bridges.

Miss Bridges when you've gotten yourself comfortable.

Please say your name in part of town for the record and begin your two minutes.

Uh good evening, everyone.

My name is Paige Bridges.

I live in uh Carroll Way downtown.

Now, Mr.

Brooks just asked Katherine Fritz if she had talked to developers.

And Catherine is a um architect.

Well, you know, Sean Boyley, who's an architect, and he wrote you a long letter about how he had talked to developers.

He said he can't find any interest in it.

And and the local the developers he's talked to say that they doubt there will be any interest because it's such a difficult the many reasons.

One, of course, is a challenging location to build in the middle of downtown on that hill.

But um there's so many more other more profitable investment opportunities available.

And he wrote quite a few points.

And I I put them all in I want to ask you to read a Juno independent article I wrote on December 9th is called Risky But Bold.

And I was supposed to get it tonight to read from it to you, but I I don't have it.

So in there it has uh Sean Borley's points, and he also offers to work with you on finding a solution for Telephone Hill, but he agrees with Catherine and with all of us that filling in compatible residential housing between the other houses is the best option, and and we still have our beautiful, beautiful telephone hill.

We gave you these photos we've collected.

Um Sean says that that way the money stays local, and we can we have a small contractor base in Juneau, but we can use our own contractors.

We don't have to go out of state.

Just makes it very simple and everybody's happy.

And I don't understand why the assembly is making everybody so unhappy.

I truly believe you will not be forgiven if you turn that into a wasteland.

And we have to look at it for four years until another development may be built.

It's gonna be right out there in the open.

Um real quickly, um this risky, but okay.

That's it, right?

Very good thing, Miss Bridges.

Assembly, would you read my uh article, December 9th, Juno Independent, risky but bold, and everybody else too.

Thank you, Ms.

Bridges.

Any questions from the assembly?

Ms.

Bridges, thank you for coming tonight.

Next I have Mr.

Tony Tangs.

Thank you.

I'm Tony Tangs and I live downtown.

I can sympathize with you since I have been elected to a board or two, although nothing is supposedly powerful as this assembly.

I say supposedly, because they know how easy it is to be manipulated by those in power.

The tendency is to vote with the flow.

At the end of January 2022, this assembly was guided by then city and borough manager Rory Watt to vote unanimously for a legislative priority to request funding from the legislature for the demolition of Juno's oldest historic neighborhood, all without the issue having had the attention of even one public hearing board, panel, or committee.

Not one representative on the assembly piped up or asked anything questioning it.

With every following vote, you were completely in the palm of that city manager's hand on this issue.

The spring of 2022, we were also being duckwalked around on Telephone Hill by City Engine regarding the new water and sewer lines that were bringing up Third Street from Maine, and how we were to coordinate our parking during the two construction phases.

We're designed not for us, but to handle a much greater service fantasy demand for a future project that hadn't even had one proper public hearing or any questioning by our representatives.

That's how the invisible hand of power works in the city.

And as far as public process goes, it is corrupt.

Thank you, Mr.

Tangs.

Any questions from the assembly?

Seeing none, thank you for being here tonight.

Next, I have uh Mr.

Quail, did you were you speaking on a non-agenda item?

Very good.

If you would go up to the mic, please.

William Quail, 415 will be number 305.

Um here to lower the fees for petty cabs.

I have two of them.

I tried all last summer to get a loan for the petty cabs, and I was unsuccessful.

Um approach to I want to approach the assembly to lower the fees for um petty cabs down from down to 20 dollars.

Right now it's 800.

And for the for Harbor is from $600 to $20.

The reason why is because the insurance rates are just so high.

And I at one time I paid $5300 for the um for an insurance, and uh it will help to make it easy to uh pick up and get a ride for petty caps, and we'll be able to won't be able to won't have to charge as much uh for the won't have to charge as much for the um for uh for people and uh it won't definitely make it easier to do business.

Okay, and uh my the financial uh aspect of it is not that much compared to what here with some of the stuff I hear millions of dollars.

I'm only talking about less than thousand dollars.

Okay, and I'm trying to what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get it so it's really easy for individuals to be in business.

Thank you, Mr.

Quail.

Any questions for Mr.

Quail?

See none, thank you for being here tonight.

Next, I have Susan Clark.

Ms.

Clark, if you'd say your name part of town and begin your two minutes.

My name is Susan Clark.

I live in um the flats downtown.

And I want to respond to some of the um the issues that I saw in your retreat packet.

Um one of which was uh that when you go into your budget, it will be the survey that you send out will be um statistically significant, and the survey that went out for the um telephone hill was not statistically significant in any way.

Um after two major hearings gatherings of local residents, sixty people showing up in each time, and yet this city decided that that wasn't enough, there weren't enough people that that had information, and they wanted to send out to the to everybody else, and they paid somebody 200.

That was and every single person that was in that survey took the chance on the 200.

Um public engagement, you wanted to know what your residents need to know from you.

What we need to know from you is some kind of feedback.

When we give you a we've given a lot of information in the last several months, and I had one, and it was recent um response that that was thank you.

So any kind of indication that you've read or received what we have shared with you would be really helpful.

Um you talk about the evaluate to re-evaluate the results of an RFP for Telephone Hill.

Um my knowledge, there's never been an RFP, and correct me if I'm wrong.

Um it was an RFI that was kind of sloppy, and in response was sloppy.

Um Ms.

Clark, you are at your two minutes.

If I'll give you a sentence to wrap up if you're able, please.

Okay, joke.

Um waste reduction is a big problem.

And we don't need it more waste up on Capitol Hill.

And I would just say that the lawsuit, you have money for civil lawsuits.

But the only reason that there is a lawsuit at all is because we haven't been able to have a communication with you on the things that we've been bringing up.

So that um concludes my statement.

Thank you, Ms.

Clark.

Questions for Ms.

Clark?

Mr.

Brooks.

Thank you for your testimony.

And I will just say that I've received your emails and have looked over the information, and we do appreciate when when all the community members do do that, regardless of whether we're aligned with the position or not.

It is always greatly welcomed, and I urge you to continue doing it.

Thank you.

Um the two people that have responded have been Nano and Paul Kelly.

Thank you.

Any questions from Ms.

Clerk?

Seeing none, Ms.

Clark, thank you for your testimony tonight.

Next, I have uh Mary Alice McKean.

Good evening.

My name is Mary Alice McKean.

I've lived in downtown Juneau since 1978.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the telephone held project in its current form is not financially feasible.

According to the market analysis, the development gap is 16 to 22 million dollars.

You have no pro forma that pencils out for the current project.

In light of this, it is not surprising that I understand the city is considering doing something drastically different.

That is a development proposal from a local architect and engineer for 87 units in two buildings with luxury condos in one building and one and two bedroom and efficiency units in the other.

I understand the development would have some short-term housing, which typically means Airbnb pricing, but I don't know.

I also don't know whether there are any affordable units in the proposal.

My question is straightforward.

Has the city received a proposal like this that it is considering at some level?

If so, in the strongest possible terms, I ask that if the city is considering doing something different from the project, as it has been repeatedly described to the public, namely four large buildings with housing up to 155 units, 20% affordable, that the city let the public know the development plan it is now considering.

Obviously, the assembly must do that before it demolishes the building.

If the assembly does not do that, it will have pulled a put a bait and switch on our community.

It will have told the public that this project will result in up to 155 units, 20% affordable.

That's the bait, but the project will result in something different.

That's the switch.

Thank you, Ms.

McKean.

Questions from Ms.

McKean.

Seeing none, thank you for your testimony tonight.

You're welcome.

I have Bruce Simmons next.

My name is Bruce Simonson.

I live uh downtown.

I'm here to talk about Telephone Hill just a bit.

Um I understand as Mary Alice has uh McKeon has just pointed out that there's possibly an alternative plan.

I think this alternative plan is not a plan, it's just a concept.

What you have been doing is working on a concept of affordable housing, increased density downtown, but you don't have a plan for it.

Uh local architects, like please are to say or to understand that they're involved with designing what's could potentially happen on the hill.

I think that's great.

But at the end of the day, it's your responsibility as assembly to know and steward to steward our resources carefully.

Um, and if you have a vision, it's your uh opportunity to ask our competent staff to answer questions, specific questions.

And so I have questions for you.

If a local designer designs it, that's fine, that's great.

But at the end of the day, who will own this property?

Who will build these structures?

Who will pay for it?

Who can afford to live there?

And how much will the city subsidize this project?

These are questions that you should ask your staff.

They should find answers for you before you commit to irreversible actions on the hill.

This is your responsibility.

That's why I voted for you.

I know you all have visions, and that's great, but your first responsibility is to be good stewards of city resources.

So simply how much will it cost?

Who will own it at the end of the day?

And how much will it cost the city?

That is how much of my tax dollars and assets of the city will be involved.

Simple questions to ask your staff to answer before you move forward with irreversible actions.

Thank you.

I know it's not easy, and it's challenging, and perhaps it's fun occasionally.

I hope so.

Uh, thank you for your work on this project.

And please look into the 1000 and counting people's uh who've signed a petition saying make sure you have a plan, not just a concept, a plan before you proceed.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Simonson.

Questions for Mr.

Simonson for the from the assembly.

Thank you.

Thank you for your testimony this evening.

I have no other people that have signed up for I have referred.

Were there other people with in the audience that would like to testify non-agenda items?

Yes.

You're you're allowed to speak on on each item.

Yep.

So if you have a non-agenda item.

Yes.

You get one shot at non-agendum, but then you can speak on other agenda items, which I which is I do have you down for.

If you'd say your name, part of town you live in, and begin your two minutes.

Okay, this will be short.

Um, Carol Brookless, I live in Douglas.

I want to just say two things.

One is um assemblymember um Brooks asked about the had uh anyone run that cost of the 66,000 dollars by anyone else.

I did an independent analysis of the cost of this project, and I round things off, and I came up with 70 million dollars, which is in line with the 66 million dollars that he came up with.

Except I added in um 50 million dollars.

Um finance for 30 years at four and a quarter percent, which is the current cost of borrowing money right now, and that would add another 30 million dollars onto that price tag.

It's a hundred million dollars.

The other thing I wanted to say is um, because I'm speaking on something else, um, which has to do with the official community plan.

I've started delving into the official community plan, and most of what you're doing on Telephone Hill is totally against the current official community plan.

Just letting you know.

Thank you.

Any questions for Ms.

Bookless?

I just had one when you're saying the official community plan, are you meaning a comprehensive plan?

That's right, sorry.

Okay, okay.

Very good.

Thank you.

See no other questions.

Thank you for your testimony tonight.

Anyone else in the audience willing wanting to speak on non-agenda items?

Seeing none, we'll move on to the consent agenda.

Do we have any public requests for consent agenda changes other than ordinances for introduction?

Seeing none, any assembly requests for consent agenda changes.

Seeing none, Mr.

Kelly assembly action on the consent agenda, please.

I move and ask unanimous consent that the assembly pass the consent agenda as amended by the acting manager.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Seeing no objection to that motion, it is adopted.

The consent agenda is adopted.

Moving to public hearing.

Item one.

Ms.

Hendricks.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Ordinance 2025-40, lowercase B.

An ordinance amending Title 49, land use code relating to reasonal accommodation, zoning maps, subdivisions on arterials, and remove references to committees and programs no longer in existence.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendricks.

Mr.

Acting Manager.

Thank you, Mr.

Deputy Mayor.

This ordinance uh is part of the rewrite of Title 49.

As you know, it's a multi-phase project.

Um this is the second wave of that project.

You'll recall the first wave was adopted by the assembly in April of 2025.

This ordinance creates a process for granting reasonable accommodations to Title 49 to ensure equal access to housing under the Federal Fair Housing Act, allows for parcels adjacent to arterial streets to be subdivided based on the standards of the underlying zoning district rather than the current default, which is D1 standards.

It modernizes the zoning map to allow code uh zoning it modernizes the zoning map code to allow for the use of a digital map as the official map of the borough.

It allows the CDD director to revise the official zoning map to reflect changes resulting from naturally occurring changes to land like erosion or accretion, and it removes references to the two committees and programs that no longer exist, like the subdivision review committee and a coastal management program.

This ordinance has uh been through many advisories and review, multiple advisory and review bodies.

Uh the planning commission at their I believe November 18th meeting recommended the following amendments.

One removal of references to the Federal Fair Housing Act, except for reference uh in 49.15.170A purpose.

Two, replacement of quote, does not violate with quote conforms with in regards to the comprehensive plan in 4915 170 C6.

And three, replacing the proposed definitions of minor collections and arterials in 4935 210A4 with an improved set of definitions, which uses an annual average daily traffic threshold between major and minor.

I recommend the assembly take public testimony and adopt this ordinance.

Thank you, Mr.

Barr.

I have one person signed up for this item.

Joyce Van Sickle.

You would come on up, say your name, part of town that you live in, and then give two you have up to two minutes on this item.

Thank you.

Good evening, sampling members.

My name is Joyce Van Sickle, and I live in the Auck Bay area.

A few months ago, I testified before you with a pressing request to move forward with revision to chapter 35 of the Title 49 rewrite.

As you know, that chapter addresses the changes needed to allow subdivision on arterial roads to follow the underlying zoning rather than defaulting to the D1 lot size standard as is currently required.

The journey to this evening has been long and unexpected for our family.

We made the decision to subdivide our property with the sole purpose of providing a piece of land to our grandson who needs affordable housing in Juneau.

Liam, a paramedic firefighter, chose a career in public service to protect and care for the community he grew up in.

And yet, like so many of his peers, he cannot afford to live here.

The rising cost and limited supply of housing are driving out the very people who keep this community running.

It's time to align policy with the priorities we all share.

Updating chapter 35 is more than a procedural change.

It's a meaningful step towards keeping our city livable, equitable, and safe for future generations.

We would be very appreciative if tonight you move this proposal to the finish line and approve the revision to chapter 35.

As always, thank you for your time, your service, and your consideration of this important revision.

Ms.

Vincickle, thank you for being here and for your persistence.

Any questions from the assembly?

Seeing none, thank you for your testimony.

Were there other members of the public who wish to testify on this item?

Seeing none, we'll bring it to the assembly.

Mr.

Brooks.

I move that body adopts ordinance 2025-40, lowercase B, and ask for unanimous consent.

Thank you, Mr.

Brooks.

I'll object just for a purpose of one question, and that's just to clarify.

Mr.

Manager, you mentioned that the um planning commission had submitted recommended amendments.

I just want to confirm my understanding is that those amendments have been integrated into the ordinance.

That's correct.

Thank you.

See thank you.

I remove my objection.

Any other objections to the motion?

Seeing none, that motion passes.

Item two, Madam Clerk.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Ordinance 2025-43.

An ordinance authorizing the manager to lease an eight-acre fraction of the parcel of land near 10020 Crazy Horse Drive at a reduced rate to Juneau Animal Rescue for the purpose of operating an animal shelter.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendricks.

Mr.

Acting Manager.

Juno Animal Rescue Jar submitted a proposal to lease an eight-acre fraction of CBJ parcel located at 10020 or Crazy Horse Drive for less than fair market value for the purpose of constructing and operating a new permanent animal shelter.

CBJ Code authorizes the lease of CBJ land to a private nonprofit corporation at less than fair market value provided.

The disposal is approved by the assembly by ordinance.

And the interest in land or resource is to be used solely for the purpose of providing a service to the public, which is supplemental to a governmental service.

The far market value lease rate has determined to be $3,000 per month, and the proposed lease rate shall be $10 per year with a term of 35 years.

Lands housing and economic development uh as well as the assembly and the systemic review racism review committee have all reviewed this ordinance.

And I recommend you take public testimony and adopt this ordinance.

Thank you, Mr.

Acting Manager.

I have no one signed up for testimony on this item.

Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to it?

Seeing none, we'll bring it back to the assembly.

Mr.

Steininger.

I move the excuse me.

I move the assembly adopt ordinance 2025-4-3 and ask for unanimous consent.

Mr.

Kelly.

Thank you.

Just uh objections for the purposes of a question.

Um I I understand that uh when we first heard um this proposal in January, the ask might have been 10, but there's also talk about having two to three um or maybe three to four um acres.

Um and there's uh also discussion uh of certain amounts of of grants grant funding um being being used to to fund improvements to the area.

Um I'm wondering um if uh if you might have any any direct knowledge as to um as how the final acreage was settled on and if um if if you know anything about uh any um any funding that jar might have procured for the for the added acreage mr.

Bark thank you Mr.

Mayor and thank you assembly member Kelly I don't uh have answers or information related to either of your questions.

I'm sorry thank you.

I'll remove my objection.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

You don't typically allow public testimony.

Um let's see how this goes and then maybe on a break, you could inform us or Mr.

Kelly on on some of those questions.

Does that work?

Very good.

Are there other objections to the motion?

Mr.

Steininger, you looked okay.

We don't typically allow public testimony on you know once we're already in deliberation.

So am I correct there, madam attorney or madam clerk?

That's correct.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Um, just to kind of um uh inspired by Mr.

Steininger's question.

Um could the assembly suspend the rules and and allow that, or is there a mechanism to uh to permit uh public testimony?

Madam Attorney.

Thank you.

The assembly can always suspend the rules.

I I move that we uh suspend the rules and um allow uh representative from JAR to come forward for public testimony.

Madam Attorney, how many votes do you need for that?

You need six, so everybody's going to need to vote yes, Mr.

Kelly.

I appreciate what you're offering.

I will object.

I it seems unless you absolutely need this information to make your decision on the ordinance.

I feel like we can do it, but things do set precedent.

And uh I I understand.

Um, I think I'll uh I'll speak offline uh with them afterwards.

I I think I'm generally supportive of this project uh regardless of what the answers are.

So I'll I'll get those questions offline and uh I can clearly count that I don't have the vote, so I'll withdraw my motion.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Mr.

Sanninger.

I I guess just maybe uh as a way to maybe try and uh sway Deputy Mayor Smith here.

Um my only concern with the plan of having them give the information to Mr.

Kelly offline is you know, we can't have more than three of us in there listening to the discussion, and it might be helpful just to have the question answered quickly on the record so the public can hear.

Thank you.

We do have ways to transmit information to more than three assembly members.

They can read to the clerks.

There are other options.

But I will try to be benevolent, Mr.

Kelly.

If you would like to make your motion again.

I move that we suspend the rules and allow a representative from Juneau Animal Rescue to provide public testimony on this item.

Very good.

Ms.

Adgison, any objections.

No, no, Mr.

DeBair.

Thank you.

Seeing none, we have suspended the rules and we will allow public testimony to answer Mr.

Kelly's question previously.

If there's a assuming there's a representative from JAR who wants to do it, so thank you.

Speak to the speak to the respond to the question if you need it repeated, we we can do that as well.

No, I'm good.

Hi, Kevin Richie.

Uh, I live in West Juneau.

I'm a member of the board of directors of uh Geno Animal Rescue.

And the basic area uh that's bounded by the mounds out on that property.

Uh, about five acres, I guess, or so are um going to be requested by the food bank.

And uh the remaining eight acres uh requested by JAR.

Couple reasons.

Uh, number one, we're not necessarily good neighbors in terms of noise.

And so we try to have a buffer around us.

Um, but the big thing is that that is extremely wet property is going to be very expensive to develop, but the mounds that were placed there by the city back in the 60s actually make really nice walking trails for for dogs.

And so for very little money, we can develop these walking trails ourselves.

And we've also talked with um other animal organizations in town and kind of like you've got the Diamond Park facility for all sorts of sports and education for people.

Uh, we're looking at uh uh over the next 20 years, say developing uh more internal uh dog parks and uh facilities for animal agencies like the Geno Kennel Club has uh you know interested in doing some development further down the road and so on.

So making sort of a campus, but inside the area bounded by the um uh uh mounds.

Mr.

Ritchie, thank you.

Did that answer your question, Mr.

Kelly?

I'm satisfied.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Ritchie.

We have and Mr.

Kelly, did you remove your objection?

I remove my objection.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Are there any other objections to the motion?

Seeing none, that motion passes.

Item three, Miss Hendricks.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Ordinance 2024-01, lowercase B uppercase B C.

An ordinance appropriating 1,316,554 to the manager for the City and Borough of Juno's fiscal year 2025 operating costs.

Funding provided by various sources.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendricks.

Mr.

Acting Manager.

This ordinance appropriate appropriates 1,316,554 dollars to the City and Bureau of Juno's FY25 operating costs.

The following funds request require supplemental budget authority in FY25 risk management.

This ordinance appropriates 1.3 million of risk management funds for health insurance claims that exceeded budget estimates.

Pandemic response, this ordinance provides budget authority to transfer residual funds of 14,000 from the pandemic response fund to the general fund.

The final this final housekeeping transfer closes the pandemic response fund.

Downtown parking.

This ordinance appropriates 2500 for the purchase and installation of cameras at the downtown parking center that exceeded budget estimates.

This expense is funded by greater than anticipated parking revenue and capital projects.

This ordinance provides budget authority to transfer 1,500 of general dollars of general funds from the parks and recreation capital improvement projects fund to the general fund.

This is a housekeeping transfer that corrects a historical accounting entry.

I recommend you take public testimony and adopt this ordinance.

Thank you, Mr.

Acting Manager.

I do not have anyone signed up for public testimony on this item.

Is there anyone in the audience in which this to testify?

Mr.

Quail.

I don't know if it's uh William Quail, um, excluded downtown.

Um this deals with the parks and recreation fund received, okay.

They the city should put the what's in the general fund and put the city in parks and recreation in the city fund.

And when it comes to when it comes to fees, one at the receipt, there's no need for any kind of um any kind of fees to be received.

Okay, because the the city is is giving them the funds.

Um, this deals with uh with cleaning up um Marine Marina Park and uh Ober Street Park and it'd be a lot better situation where the city is helping to to take care of um parks and recreation.

Okay, rather than then when it comes to they wait till April, ask five hundred dollars for me for the fees, and also when it comes to the harbors, they uh they clean up uh clean up the marina uh park.

And if you didn't they didn't clean up marina park, it would be a mess.

Okay, and the city should actually they should take the funds from this from the city, collect it and help help out the parks and rack.

You understand I'm getting it?

I'm trying, I'm trying to get it.

So there's no need to I I'll give you a sentence to wrap up if you needed to finish if you had one more thing you need to get across.

There's no need to to actually um ask for fees from this uh parks and rack if the city uh city helps with the parks and rack.

Thank you.

Any questions for Mr.

Quail?

See none, Mr.

Quail.

Thank you for your testimony this evening.

Were there any other members of the public who would testify on this?

Seeing none, I'll bring it to the assembly miss hall.

I move the assembly adopt ordinance 2024-01, lowercase p upper case BC, and ask for unanimous consent.

Thank you, Ms.

Hall.

Seeing no objections, that motion is adopted.

Item four, Ms.

Hendricks.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Ordnance 2025-42, an ordinance amending the comprehensive plan by adopting the downtown Douglas slash West June area plan.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendrix, Mr.

Acting Manager.

On August 12th, 2025, the planning commission recommended that the city and borough assembly adopt the downtown Douglas West Juneau Area Plan as an addendum to the CBJ comprehensive plan.

The commission added the following recommendation.

Recommendations.

Plan page seven, delete the first paragraph under downtown Douglas.

The current wording seems to indicate a historical record, but does not discuss Alaska Native stewardship.

Plan page 25.

Delete Action C under goal 4.2 as the transfer of Mayflower Island to DIA to Douglas and Dan Association is underway.

And this goal was written prior to the assembly's stated intent to transfer.

Plan page 27.

Move content to follow equity language on page four to better reflect the equity discussion in the context of Alaska native land use.

Plan page 29.

Delete goal 5.3 and action A to ensure these parcels are treated the same as any parcel in the CBJ in terms of land use and regulation.

Appendices delete four steering committee mapping exercise maps, and also under appendices, move traffic calling graphics to follow page 11, goal 1.2 and remove street names.

Adoption into the comprehensive plan at its November 3rd meeting.

Thank you, Mr.

Acting Manager.

I have Miss Bookless signed up for this item.

You'd come on up.

If you'd say your name part of town for the record and begin your two minutes.

Okay, uh Carol Bookless, I live in Douglas.

I was part of the steering committee, and I'm going to say this to start, and I'm going to say it a few times.

I would like you to adopt our plan without the changes that were suggested.

The biggest most controversial one is the sixth street thing.

So I'm going to quote from, you know, that says in here that they want it to be treated like any other parcel in the city.

And that's what this our committee did.

It says right here that just designate various categories of residential density on the in the comprehensive plan, land use maps, and the land use code maps based on evaluation of the following criteria.

A physical site conditions, including slope, areas of hazard, wetlands, watershed value, and or high value natural resources, which is which is exactly what we did.

There's not a single person I've talked to who lives on Fifth Street who has not had water in their basement.

I live almost on Third Street.

I have had water in my basement coming down from this the hillside.

I ran into a friend today who lives in Orca Point.

She said they had to redo their drainage because they have water coming down the landslide.

I sat next to a person who was in the community development group, and she said, Oh, yeah, we're not going to develop past there because there's so much water coming down the hillside.

Everybody knows there is water coming down the hillside.

There was a landslide above Orca Point as well.

So you might think, well, gosh, there's not a lot of landslides, but there are people who are actually studying this.

There's a group called Cootie who develops who studies the landslide risk in Prince of Wales Island.

And they found that South facing slopes, like we have.

Thank you, Miss Bookless.

Any questions for Ms.

Bookless?

Mr.

Kelly.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ku, for your uh testimony, Ms.

Buckless.

Uh, my clarifying question was it seemed that you're saying that uh you're suggesting that we not adopt uh any of the changes suggested by the planning commission.

Um, but it also seemed like you might have been talking about maybe one or two specific goals.

Would you be be able to clarify?

Did you mean that everything that we they've listed on uh page seven of our packet?

Um you do not intend for us to adopt, or is it uh just one or two goals?

Um I for simplicity it would be not to do any of them, but um, for instance, I don't really understand their suggestion number one, because if you the first the first paragraph is about South Douglas, the second is about West June.

So they're saying to take out the description of South Douglas, but I assume leave in the section on West Juneau.

So it doesn't make any sense.

So I would, you know, I if they felt that there should be more designation about Alaska Native um history there, then they should have made the suggestion we add something about native history.

And just so you know, the the our working group did not write that stuff.

That was written by either the consultant or the planning department.

We didn't do most of the text, they did the wordsmithing.

So I'm totally on board with them adding more about uh the native um history there.

And number two, and in terms of Mayflower Island, we did talk about that very recently.

Yes, we talked about it initially before you guys decided to go ahead and transfer it over.

But our feeling is until it's done, it's not done.

So we felt we should put in a support for that to happen, whether or not um, you know, and then if it happens, great.

We've supported it.

But if it doesn't happen, then we can fall back on saying, hey, we wanted this to happen, and why didn't it happen?

Um I can't remember what three was, but four on here.

I have that um that's sixth street.

And six is the traffic calming.

It had totally to do with something else.

The that is an ex it's a confusing um illustration that doesn't relate to anything that we talked about.

So that should also go.

So let me just see if I could find what the other recommendations were.

Um I think you covered I think you just went through the list there, Ms.

So I think you've addressed the question.

Thank you.

But the deleting the four committee mapping exercises, yes, I definitely support that.

And um the equity language, sure, go ahead with that.

But um, yeah, the the wording was confusing.

May Flower Island should be in there.

Um definitely should be in there.

And um, yeah, get rid of those silly maps.

Thank you.

Further questions for the assembly for Miss Bookless.

I just had one, Ms.

Bookless.

Are are the these are your positions just as a pressure?

These are the these are our positions that were written up.

In terms of those two that maybe you could leave in, those would be my positions.

But everything else was what we agreed in over five years and 43 meetings and three different planners.

And you know, this was a long process.

Thank you.

I I am I I just want to say sometimes things evolve through the plan.

So my question was has the advisory committee, this steering committee, excuse me, said we actually want to, we would we do not, we as a group do not agree with those changes.

So that was my question.

But as soon as we finished our work, we were um disbanded, so we're not allowed to meet again.

We're not allowed to make any more recommendations.

Okay, very good.

Thank you.

Any further questions for Ms.

Bookless?

Ms.

Bookless, thank you for your time this evening.

Was there any other member of the public that wishes to speak to this item?

Please.

Yes, my name's Robert Sewell.

I'm from Douglas, and I see I'm amongst several friends, which is nice.

When either Pooh was right, this is a blustery night.

Thank you for your service.

I was on the planning uh steering committee, as was uh Ms.

uh was Carol and a number of others.

I was the longest enduring, six years worth over five uh planning coordinators.

It was a long and winding road.

However, there are a number of things I want to leave the assembly with, those stretching over four areas, and one of those regarding a suggestion in your materials that there be uh an alteration from our initial plan.

When we concluded this summer, after six years, we specified in a vote that there would be no development above sixth street.

There are only two people from the community.

I say that loosely because one was a city employee and one was an a developer that spoke in favor of development above Fifth Street.

There are four reasons why that should not occur, and why the item in your uh agenda labeled plan page 20.

No, no.

Plan page 29 regarding goal 5.3 action A be not adopted.

That was a creation by the Planning Commission and those above after we disbanded.

There is no community will to develop above Sixth Street.

We know this because we did conduct public meetings, and the ratios were like five to one against development up the hill.

This is a concoction by those who took up the plan after us.

We did not endorse that.

There are four reasons.

One having to do with concerns about traffic during the development process and later, we anticipate at least 10,000 trucks will go up and down through 5th Street and St.

Anne's before the development is finished.

Two, that does not reflect the tenor of the community, which is traditional and quiet.

Three, there were a number of other building efforts over the last 20 years.

Might I have two more minutes, please.

Given that we need to suspend the rules, but I'm I'm kidding.

Um Mr.

Sewell, we set the same amount so it's fair.

I can give you another sentence or two to wrap up as I do everyone.

And I apologize, but there is a understood.

Understood.

Um put in a bunch of uh conjunctions.

There are three other areas that were not taken up in the plan that should be the attention uh brought to the attention of the assembly.

Nothing was introduced regarding West Juno that should be discussed in your further meetings.

Two the old Douglas school is ripe for development for residential and uh commercial like commercial use.

It's right smack dab in the middle of the old town site.

And three, you have this pole barn down on the waterfront that is currently continued to be used by maintenance, oftentimes typically that provide no service to the Douglas area, but rather other parts of Juneau that should be repositioned and sold to for instance developers.

Very good.

Mr.

Sue, I'm going to catch you off there.

Thank you for your patience and thank you for your service to this city.

Thank you.

Any questions for Mr.

Sewell.

Seeing none, thank you for your testimony this evening.

Were there any other members of the public wishing to testify on this item?

Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the assembly.

Ms.

Hall.

I move to refer ordinance 2025-42 to the next committee of the whole for further assembly discussion.

And ask for unanimous consent.

Thank you, Ms.

Hall.

We've heard the motion.

Is there any objection to the motion?

Seeing none, that motion is adopted.

Item number five.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Smith.

Hendricks.

Resolution 4034, a resolution authorizing the manager to grant an extension of existing driveway and utility easement across city and borough property within lot three, U.S.

survey 3816 on the tip of Minnenhall Peninsula.

Thank you, Ms.

Hendrix, Mr.

Acting Manager.

Bradley and Amy Holm, the owners of lot six USS 3297, a property on the tip of Menon Hall Peninsula without public road frontage, applied to extend an existing driveway and utility easement across CBJ owned land in order to provide access to their property.

The existing driveway and utility easement issued to Smugglers Cove Road Association, an Alaskan nonprofit corporation comprised of owners of seven lots, terminates at the corner of the home's property.

CBG Code authorizes the manager convey or lease an easement and city and borough owned land upon approval by the assembly.

Fair market value has been determined determined to be approximately $4,014 and eight cents.

The lands housing and economic development committee reviewed this request at its September 29th meeting and passed a motion of support for granting this easement extension.

I recommend you take public testimony and adopt this resolution.

Thank you, Mr.

Acting Manager.

I have no one signed up in advance for this item.

Are there any members in of the public in the audience who wish to speak to this item?

Seeing none, I'll bring to the assembly.

Mr.

Kelly.

I move resolution 4034 and ask for unanimous consent.

Seeing no objection, that motion is adopted.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

That moves us through our public hearing agenda.

I see no unfinished business.

See no new business.

Are there staff reports?

No, Mr.

Wayor.

Thank you, Mr.

Acting Manager.

That moves us to assembly reports.

Uh mayor's report.

Um I guess that can be deputy mayor report.

Uh I'll keep it very short.

Um, I've been out of town for a little bit.

Thank you for everyone for your work.

Uh moving things along.

Um, and I can speak to committee and some other pieces when I when we get there.

Um, but we can go down the line.

Um let's see, we can start with committee reports.

We have two chairs who are not here, so um lands committee and finance committee are gone.

Uh Mr.

Kelly, anything from human resources?

Um, thank you.

Uh um this evening's meeting.

Uh we heard from Jacoa um and they delivered their annual report, and then we also had the uh joint meeting with the SRRC with the uh full assembly.

So you all are pretty aware of how that went.

Um the only thing I would add is that I would remind everyone that we will begin be meeting um as uh the full assembly um this Wednesday uh to discuss uh appointments to the uh hospital board and to the planning commission.

Thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Miss Adkison for public works.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Deputy Mayor.

We did not have a public works meeting since we last met, but I will flag that we have upcoming this week the first meeting of the visitor industry task force 2.0, which is gonna be on the December 17th at noon on Zoom.

Thank you, Ms.

Adkisson.

And then I'll just I'll just flag we have not had a committee the whole since our last meeting.

Um so no report there.

Let's just go down the line for assemblymember comments, questions, liaison reports.

Mr.

Brooks, may I start with you?

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh the uh um local emergency planning um commission has not met since I have uh been on the body here, but the school board meeting uh uh today at noon, and they were discussing uh how uh bid was awarded for the consultant to uh seek out candidates for a new superintendent.

So uh progress is being made on that front.

Thank you, Mr.

Brooks.

Mr.

Steininger.

Um, because of our travel up to AML this past week.

I actually haven't um attended any of my liaison assignments.

Eagle Crest met while we're up there.

I unfortunately wasn't able to make it to that, but looking outside, I think we at least have a little bit of good news for Eagle Crest out there, so that's good.

Um, but yeah, a lot of really engaging discussions that we had over the last week up at AML meeting with other municipal leaders.

Um, and I know I really got a lot out of that ability to go and converse and hear about other communities that are facing some similar challenges to what we have.

Thank you for the rest of you all that attended as well.

Thank you, Mr.

Steiniger.

Ms.

Hall.

Yeah, thank you.

And um while I was up in Anchorage I too, there was uh at Dox and Harbor.

It wasn't their regular meeting, but more their work group.

Um some of the things that are happening over at Dawson Harbors that the board is working on is their um FY27 marine passenger fee request to the tourism manager of note and and um those would be funding the restroom covered waiting areas along the waterfront, requesting funding for port office uh for the port director uh office to be relocated to the new joint port and aurora harbor building.

The board continues to wrestle with requests from Gold Belt to purchase 15,000 square feet of CBJ property at Sea Drome.

Um this will be discussed at the meeting this week on Thursday.

Uh capital improvement projects that are progressing well, the Aurora Phase 4, um Satter Harbor Phase 3D, and Satter Harbor Roof replacement.

Um yeah, and a few other things going on over there.

Also, JEDC met, and that was uh let's see, I believe that was Friday.

Let me see.

Um that was the eighth, and um they have new officers and um yeah, a lot of really good things happening over there.

Um investor event recap, economic indicator presentation, Alaska Angel Conference, um, the 2026 innovation summit gallery walk was hugely successful, and yeah, so um again, things are humming right along in the economic development world.

Thank you, Ms.

Hall.

Mr.

Kelly.

Thank you.

Um the um CSWA has not met um in the last couple months, and I have not heard recently um if they have plans to meet.

The downtown business association did meet while we were at um while we were at the Alaska Municipal League Conference.

I was able to zoom in from Anchorage at their for their December 10th meeting.

Um they did a recap of gallery walk and how that went.

They uh discussed um it seems like they're kind of in in discussion stages of uh what it might look like for their members of the downtown members to have joint membership with the chamber.

Um and they also discussed um meeting with a um with a city or with a consultant um that was um I think probably happening today or or sometime um in the near future um having to do with um kind of the the streamlining the the missions of of each of our organizations so they uh talked about that and I was able to answer a few um questions um or at least get back to them um afterwards about that um the juno commission on aging had uh their meeting their last meeting on November 18th uh where they talked about uh the report that they ended up presenting um at the human resources committee meeting uh this evening um their next meeting will be tomorrow thank you Mr.

Kelly Ms.

Adkisson Thank you Mr.

Deputy Mayor uh for similar reasons to Mr.

Shanninger I do not have anything to report today.

Thank you, Ms.

Atkison.

Um I I guess just a couple for me.

The planning commission did meet while I was away, but I did not attend, but I can see what they talked about, and that was they went over the Title 49 ordinance that we um just passed this evening.

Um the Juno Commission on Housing and Homelessness will meet on Thursday.

Um we are working to well just I'm gonna speak with Mr.

Dumichel about you know when our next Title 49 meeting will be.

Um that's all I had for liaison.

I guess just a few things.

Thanks to CBJ DOT and other organizations for the um that are plowing and keeping our streets and sidewalks clear and our neighbors moving safely.

Um probably more power outages than anyone wants, but thanks to the ALMP team for getting the heat and power back on.

Um nice that we're in the festive season.

Happy holidays, no matter how you celebrate, and especially happy second day of Hanukkah to those that celebrate.

That is all I had.

Um we are now on to continuation of public participation on non-agenda items.

Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on non-agenda items who have not already spoken on non-agenda items?

If you've already spoken on non-agenda items, you're not allowed to speak again.

Okay.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Thanks for your understanding.

Very good.

Um other members who have not already spoken.

Excellent.

That moves us.

We have a update on collective bargaining.

Ms.

Hendrickson or Mr.

Barr, are we anticipating needing to come back to session after the executive session?

No.

So then we can we are gonna kill the Zoom and clear the room, and then we will, after we're done with an executive session where we does not appear that we'll be taking any action, the meeting will adjourn.

So Mr.

Kelly, would you move us to executive session, please?

I move that the assembly enter into executive session to discuss collective bargaining negotiations, the immediate knowledge of which would adversely affect the finances of the municipality and ask for unanimous consent.

Seeing no objection, we are into executive session.

Maybe let's come back in five minutes for a little if we need a biobreak or anything else.

We'll be back at 7.38.

And Ms.

Katskison, you can join from the link I sent you via email.

Thank you.