Thank you for thinking of that.

I didn't think of it.

Happy Wednesday.

What's with the echo?

That I don't know.

Okay.

Bye.

And we have the roll call, please.

Madam Chair Thomas.

Vice Chair Phillips.

Commissioner Hiergee.

Commissioner Mettler.

Present.

Commissioner Ortiz.

Commissioner Watson.

Here.

Commissioner Wilson.

Thank you.

You're looking puzzled, so I would just make sure I.

Okay, so uh we always start out with public input.

Are there any members of the public wish to speak regarding items that are not scheduled for public hearing this evening?

And this is a public hearing, so public will get a chance to talk again later on the specific issue.

Please fill out a speaker request form, come to the podium, state your name and address for the record.

For members in the audience, please refrain from responding or reacting to the comments made during public input.

So I have one request for Mr.

Spaulding.

Do you wish to wait until the item at hand?

Okay.

Is there anybody else whether you filled out a form or not wishing to address the commission on things in general?

No?

Okay, great.

And we will move on to our first agenda item.

Next agenda item is a public hearing for resolution number PC 2025 10, recommending approval with conditions of an application for site plan architectural review for blocks 20 and 21, town site of Capitol Hill subdivision, INX notice in the Daily Camera on October 31, 2025.

Does any commission member believe that he or she is incapable of evaluating and voting on the application consistent with due process requirements?

If so, please prescribe the situation and recruise yourself from excuse yourself for further participation on this agenda item.

Looks like it we'll move on.

So we should not hear from the city planning staff.

Thank you.

Vice Chair and Commissioners.

So the property is located at the northeast corner of uh North 120th and East Wind Drive.

It's actually I'm calling it specifically two parcels because it's actually a series of blocks, and this piece of property that you see highlighted in the purple color is a little different than what's in your plans because I'm showing the entire property that was purchased in 1982.

The kind of western half, which is blocks 20 and 21, was annexed in 1982.

The eastern portion was annexed in 2020.

And just uh I state down below that the zonings M1.

I'm talking about the subject property for us today.

The eastern portion is still zone developing resources, and that obviously would need to change with uh development application for that property, that parcel or part of the property.

Uh so they're proposing a new 23,000 square foot industrial building and a variety of site improvements that are go across not just block 20 but onto block 21 also.

So here's a aerial view of the existing condition uh condition.

Some things to note this parking lot kind of on the northeast side of this building, all the mature trees kind of around the site and through the middle here.

Direct access on the North 120th, and no sidewalk along North 120th.

Here's the site plan, but I'm actually using the landscape plan because I feel it it conveys what I'm trying to get at a little bit better.

But you'll see here they do have a sidewalk along North 120th now, including some bus stop improvements here.

Uh you also have still have access to 120th, but this will be restricted to emergency vehicles only.

And then this entire parking lot that wrapped in north and east, other than these two ADA spaces has been removed and now has landscaping.

And then the tree preservation.

All these that are kind of hatched are all proposed for preservation, kind of all on the south side, the east side.

This whole island in the middle of the parking lot was designed around this little kind of grove of trees for lack of a better term.

And then you have some up here that are being preserved, and then I like I said, along North 120th.

So obviously, we are aware of what the SPAR application is.

Planning Commission makes a recommendation to City Council, and the city council is a decision making body.

However, I also want to really point out that there are other applications being prior processed simultaneously with this.

There is a parking reduction that's beyond the 20% that the code allows planning commission to grant.

So that will go forward with the SPAR when city council sees it and they will make a determination on that parking reduction in conjunction with the spar.

And then there's a minor subdivision that kind of combine these blocks into three total lots, and because it is three or fewer lots that can be processed as a uh administrative minor subdivision.

All right, with that, I'll turn it over to the applicant and then I'll come back for an analysis analysis and answer any questions.

Thank you.

Uh I appreciate this opportunity to uh introduce Ionx Research Corporation to you.

Some general information about the the company and uh what we do over there on 120th Street.

I'm uh the CEO of Ionx and the founder of the company.

We uh I'm also a member of uh a company called or uh an LLC called Eastwind, which owns a portion of the property, and I'm also a member of uh an LLC called Northam Developments, which owns the balance of the property.

A lot that we plan on building the building on, is actually owned by Northam Developments.

Umx.

Ionix was uh was formed in 1978, and we moved to Lafayette in 1982.

So we've been here resident, a proud resident of Lafayette for over 40 years.

Um our original building was built on 120th Street, which is shown as uh the northeast or northwest corner uh building.

That continued we we've recently uh remodeled that building and and it has become our uh uh technology center.

So that's where our our engineers reside.

Uh we also be to the east of that building, have uh our general offices and our manufacturing plant, uh, which is on East Wind Drive, and the new manufacturing building will be adjacent to the uh to the uh original building.

INX is the the lesse of of all of these uh buildings.

Ion X is uh is a designer and manufacturer of uh systems that provide a barrier between hazardous processes and hazardous items and the environment.

Basically, we provide air filtration equipment and other treat air treatment equipment to uh to protect people that are working around hazardous chemicals, hazardous uh contaminants in the environment, and specifically we're in the nuclear business.

Uh we we supply equipment to nuclear power plants and uh nuclear research facilities.

We uh we provide uh the military with weapons uh demilitarization or decontamination equipment.

Uh the the facility down in Pueblo that the U.S.

Army has recently uh completed processing their nerve agent weapons, chemical weapons in.

We had a huge part of that facility down there.

Um we do work with uh mining companies where we uh in gold processing facilities, we remove mercury, which is a contaminant in the processing of gold.

Uh and glove boxes is uh is a major activity for us as well.

Glove box is a is a piece of it, a large piece of apparatus within which you can uh you can uh provide remote handling and remote processing without actually physically coming in contact with the with the uh the item and air filtration and and uh and glove boxes protection are major activities for the company.

Uh we have uh equipment that's all custom designed, none of it is uh is standard, it's all all custom large uh industrial apparatus that we design and then fabricate so that we can ship this equipment to uh the job site wherever that'd be located.

We uh we have a limited number of customers, probably in total perhaps 15 or 20 customers in the country.

Uh generally speaking, we have no walk-in customers that ever come into our our facility and very little visitation other than perhaps salespeople coming to the facility.

So we don't it it's uh you you probably never really have heard of INX because we have a rather low profile, we don't have any reason to be uh particularly public with regard to what we do.

Uh the important thing to note, however, is that even though we handle we build equipment that processes some of the world's most hazardous stuff, none of that is processed in Lafayette, and none of this none of it takes place in in our facility here.

We build the equipment to do this, but we don't handle any of that hazardous material in in the city.

That's great.

Uh we have limited number of customers, uh, limited visitors, and our facilities are all controlled access.

Uh many of the customers that we deal with uh require not totally classified, but but somewhat restricted with regard to who can see the equipment and who can look at and view the drawings and that type of thing.

So uh we do restrict access to our bit to our facility.

Uh these are these are recent requirements that have been instituted by our customers.

We have about 90 employees.

We operate one shift a day and four four days a week.

So Monday through Thursday.

Uh and typically there's no one at our place on Fridays or the weekends.

So the new building is going to supplement our existing manufacturing facility.

It'll it'll add about 20,000 square feet of manufacturing space.

Basically, it's duplicating what we currently have and just providing roughly 20 uh roughly a 100% increase in our capacity to produce the equipment that we produce.

We expect to increase our employment level from uh or about 30% fairly quickly after we build the building.

So we'll probably go from we expect uh 90 people up to perhaps 120 or something like that.

Uh we have mostly skilled workers, these are skilled welders with equipment that we build is stainless steel.

It's uh it's high quality level stuff.

So uh all of our people have to be qualified to work on on our equipment.

They need to be trained.

Uh not easy to find people that are in this particular area that are well trained, so we have to very often train them ourselves.

Um growth is is significant.

We're proud of that, and uh we vitally need to increase this space to increase our our manufacturing capability primarily for uh our existing US government requirements, which uh affect the uh uh the safety and security of the of the country.

So uh we're anxious to get this building started.

We appreciate your time and uh your consideration of this uh this project.

We think it's an important one for the city, and uh with that, I'll turn it over to Tom.

Good evening.

Um Tom Barry with Holland Baschum Architects.

I'm an associate partner with the firm uh and project manager for the project.

Uh here tonight we also have Catherine Wilkinson who's our project architect managing the daily details, and we have Debbie Reeder, uh our civil engineer.

So as we get into questions, I may defer to that.

Uh so I'll just kind of flip through briefly just a general design overview.

Um I know some information was already given kind of on the site plan, but I'll just kind of walk through.

So quick rendering here of this is taken from the uh southwest corner of the building at uh 120th and east wind, just generally of kind of overview of what the building may look like.

Uh and we can come back to that here in a minute.

Uh site plan, uh, as was mentioned.

So the existing INX uh building in green on the upper right there is the current manufacturing facility.

As Doug mentioned, the East Wind building in blue was the original building on the property that was recently renovated for office space.

And then uh on the bottom left, kind of orangish color is the new proposed manufacturing facility.

Um so as kind of mentioned, you know, the site plan uh there's a lot of effort given.

You know, Doug has mentioned from day one how much he appreciates the existing trees on the site.

So there was a lot of work given in terms of uh working with Debbie uh as we laid out the the site in terms of parking, storm water management, and so forth to do our best to maintain these existing trees, um, as you can see in the center island between the the green building there and the blue one, uh, as well as existing trees along the south side of the proposed building uh on East Wing Drive there.

Uh the building itself, um, you know, of course industrial buildings such as this, you know, it's a little bit of form fault follows function, right?

Uh there's a lot of very specific height requirements and such that they need in terms of interior space clearances.

The offset ridge that you can see in the bottom right-hand corner there really is based on the two manufacturing bays that are required for that height.

Um, but really, as we looked at laying the building out and placing it on site, you know, knowing that we had a manufacturing capability here that we have to maintain, but also a you know, about five to seven thousand square feet of office space.

It gave us an opportunity to push the office space to the west to be able to step down the scale of the building to the more public orientation of the site along 120th.

Um, just trying to bring down the building height a little bit and give them some opportunity for windows and some transparency there, knowing that because of the manufacturing function that INX does, we did have to maintain a level of privacy inside the manufacturing space and limit window exposure there.

Um, this project was submitted, I think almost exactly two years ago for initial site plan review.

So it's been a you know good long process working with staff here just to make sure we get through.

There have been a few rounds of comments and some adjustments made to the design just to balance variation of material and and scale and uh adjusting window locations and things like that.

So, you know, um Doug and and the team have been you know fairly open to you know how can we really make this building something that serves the function.

We do have to, of course, as as with all projects balance you know, cost input um over two years of time through the site plan review process.

They've they've experienced a fair amount of escalation that are causing some challenges to the project, but um quite a bit of effort has been made.

So, in terms of materials, uh, I think there's a sample board if you'd like to take a look at it.

Again, as with a lot of pre-engineered metal buildings, there's a fair amount of metal panel, a few different colors uh provided there.

We have added uh a stone wainscoat along the west side of the building, um some fiber cement um you know, vertical elements just to break up the scale of building again on the west, um shade awnings and so forth again, just to kind of break up the scale of the building.

Uh I think that probably covers the general overview.

I think I imagine there'll be plenty of questions, so we're happy to kind of speak to that when the time comes.

All right, we won't go over a in-depth uh review of the approval criteria.

I think that's spelled out pretty well in the analysis.

However, just uh kind of get on orient the commission.

We kind of broke it down into five component areas.

We have architecture and the approval criteria speak to things like scale of the building in relation to other buildings on the site and around the site, proportion of building elements, character and compatibility, uh visual interest and durability of facade materials.

The criteria also speak to landscaping, uh specifically the function and use of open areas and buffering, and then kind of use of landscaping to enhance the entire project.

Talks to circulation, and that's really focusing on that's not just vehicular circulation, it's also pedestrian circulation.

And then there's some screening criteria, and that talks about what needs to be screened and that the screening be compatible with the building, and then there is a criterion on lighting, and it basically says that's to be compatible with the building and minimize impact on adjacent properties.

We'll go over some of these in more detail.

The app covered some of the architectural features, the storefront windows, the uh bringing the the front of the building down, approximately I think eight feet.

Uh, and then it's also articulated along the side.

They have some the change of plane.

This is the side facing east wind here, where they also added the canopies above kind of the transom windows.

Uh variety of different building materials which you can see on the material board.

That covers pretty much everything I wanted to touch on there.

The offset uh the offset gable also, while it's functional, it provides a little bit of you know, just a little bit of a unique feature.

And then just so you guys can get an idea of what's out there now.

This is the larger manufacturing building back here.

This building's just under 31 feet in height, uh, and it's I think 40, 40 some thousand uh square feet.

And then this is the building that sits out towards the front that's about 18 feet in height, and I think it's uh 12,000 square feet.

And obviously, they're not exactly the same, but I think they're compatible.

Uh they have they both kind of utilize earth cones, there's a use of metal, but they are different buildings built in different eras, so they shouldn't look you know identical.

So landscaping talks about the function and use of open areas and buffering enhancement.

We focus on the buffering quite a bit already with all the trees that were preserved, but also the function and use of open areas.

They really went hard on like low water usage landscaping.

Their water budget was about one-third of what's allowed.

And they did get rid of like this hashed area, is all like a native seed uh mix.

However, the kind of the wider areas is just a low water turf.

So they did keep some of it functional, so employees have somewhere they can go out and enjoy just a typical like turf turf uh experience.

And then I think you know, just looking at it with all the additional landscaping.

I think it's like over 300 shrubs and ornamental grasses.

Uh, and they did it across the entire site, not just on kind of the property that's the portion of the property that's being developed.

They really took a holistic approach.

So I think there's uh kind of there's no way in saying this doesn't enhance the entire project.

So circulation, uh both pedestrian and vehicular.

You've got the two main points off of East Wind that are staying.

This allows for truck movement, and I think you saw that in one of the plans, they had the large semi-truck turning uh template.

This also allows for fire access.

Like I said, this north 120th will no longer be public, it's just gonna be emergency access.

So we're eliminating kind of a potential point of conflict, both between vehicles and pedestrians and vehicles and other vehicles on the busy street and funneling everything down to east wind.

Uh also for pedestrian circulation throughout the site, there really isn't any now.

They made a good effort to try to get sidewalks in adjacent to most of the parking on both sides of this newer lot, uh, and then across the building from the parking.

Uh so there are definitely improvements to the pedestrian circulation within the site, also.

And then I'm not going up over every single kind of one of those groupings.

This is kind of the last one I wanted to focus on, but I'm more than happy to answer any questions.

So the lighting, it just says compatible to building.

These are samples of the wall packs and the pole lights in the parking lot, pretty standard.

Uh I think they're pretty much compatible with any building.

And then it talks about impact on adjacent properties.

The biggest foot candle readings where it exceeds uh where it where it crosses the property line is right here, and it goes from like 0.8 to 1.4, but that's actually from an existing light on the existing building.

This is the next kind of high point, and that's I forget off the top of my head, but it's significantly lower than this.

And I did check with our code enforcement.

We haven't had any issues with this out there, so we don't anticipate uh any issues with the with the minimum amount of light trespass that is occurring.

It's it's in my opinion on par with what you see in most properties.

So uh that covers that.

So with that, I'll turn it over uh to the commission, and I'll be happy to answer any questions after the public hearing.

All right, I'm gonna make a slight reorder here in the process.

Um, and so before we ask questions of staff and the applicant, I'd like to do the public hearing portion at this time.

We will hear from any interested members of the public who wish to address the commission about this application.

If you haven't filled out a speaker form, please do.

And the one I have received is from Mr.

Ron Spaulding.

Please approach good evening, Commissioners.

Ron Spaulding 1326, Eldorado Way Lafayette, Colorado.

I appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight, my comments from a little local resident here.

Number one, I'm glad to come after the presentation from the developer.

Makes my job easier.

I want to say that I support and agree with the staff report and recommendations to approve the spar, and I'll call it the INEX development because that's what I know the building as.

Staff usually does a good job on everything.

I don't read all the things in detail, but this time for some reason I did, and it's taking, I'm you know, I'm not getting paid to say this, but it's been it's been tremendous in my citizen opinion.

As a local resident who drives 120th Street regularly, this will be a very nice aesthetic improvement to the existing site.

The architect, Holland Boschon, in my opinion, has done an excellent job with the building design, materials, landscape plan, etc.

That you're all going to see in a bit.

From a citizen standpoint, I really like and it's a good job in eliminating access, the current access off 120th Street for emergency vehicles only.

And it I think they're gonna have uh 10 EV stations, which is meeting what we're trying to do, sustainability.

And this is a manufacturing facility and a you know warehouse like campus, but the way the buildings designed, my you know, my opinion, they've done a really nice job trying to make it look like a uh like it's not.

Uh I think it will greatly improve the look and feel of 120th Street and uh and create a recognizable gateway to the southeast quadrant of the city.

I've spoken before, I've spoken before about the west side on baseline with the new developments, and it looks good.

And and uh I just want to say that I've been here 14 years of drive by there all the time.

I always wonder what the INEX was.

I thought it was like an IT building or a telephone company building.

Well, and no offense, however, when I got into this tonight, I went to the website, and it's unbelievable with the owner, the presentation like what this facility is.

Nobody knows in town.

And and uh I won't say because you just described what this building is.

Uh it's unbelievable.

We have a we have a facility and a building that's top notch in the field.

And uh, you know, when I was reading this over the the environmental hazards, the uh uh you know the military contracts it has it's it's amazing.

And the ownership is right here in Boulder County, not far from City Lafayette limits.

I just want to say that this is uh I hope you approve it.

Uh that whole section, you got the great joiner company cross street, which is nationally known, world renowned for all the work it does, and this will uh you know, with your improvements in 120th and the bridge down there and going up.

I think it's fantastic, and uh you all have any recommendation?

Hope it's recommended to approve.

So thank you for listening to me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there any other members of the public who wish to comment on this particular application?

Okay.

Seeing none, we will close the public comment period, and now we'll go back to questions for staff or the applicant from the commission who wishes to awesome.

I was I would love to uh from staff.

You mentioned the sidewalk.

Is there a sidewalk on adjacent parcels now, or is there a vision to put one there?

Could you talk a little bit more about that?

So I can talk a little bit about it.

Um I'm gonna pull up Google Maps just because I don't know the answer to your question off the top of my head.

Uh whoops.

If I can okay, I guess this is it.

That's my problem.

All right.

So one of the things you might have noticed on that map is there isn't necessarily or on the plan, there isn't necessarily curb and gutter proposed along their frontage.

And that's because we're in the process of uh a roadway design for 120th.

And we don't want to get into one of those, you know, those we don't want to get into that kind of situation where we're having somebody put something in and then you see city contractors out there ripping it out nine months later, just kind of looks like it's a bad use of resources and efficiency of government stereotypes, those types of things.

So, in an effort to avoid that, we just really wanted to get the sidewalk in, and so that's why we have we have the sidewalk in, including uh including the sorry, I'm not used to look at that, it shows up right there.

But as you can see, there really isn't any any sidewalk in this area.

But like I said, there are plans for uh 120th to be uh to be constructed, or there we're in the process of creating plans, I should say, designing plans.

Uh so that's also why we're still debating kind of how to approach right-of-way dedication in this area.

Uh and so some of those things we're trying to take like a light touch, make sure we got the sidewalk, and then the other stuff we would we would uh address later on, or where we would just do it with the project because we don't, like I said, we don't want to have them install stuff, I wanted to tear it out.

Can you also verify uh parcels that are not the yeah?

Well, most of them this person here who actually sold Ionics the property, it's not in the city.

Um this person is not either.

These they've both expressed interest in annexing into the city.

Uh so and that's also on one of those sheets you saw in your plans.

The only sheet that actually showed the entire property had like an approximate right-of-way uh location.

So that's something we're trying to figure out and coordinate with this person too.

Should they annex into the city and shouldn't we approve an annexation?

Uh down here we have some properties that are in.

Um I'm not I don't know it off the top of my head.

Do you have any specific property you wanted to focus on?

We get the sidewalk once properties are both annexed into the city and then all so right now it's yeah.

Thank you.

And the eastern parcel there, that is that is that in or out of the city?

That's in, yeah.

It wasn't it was annexed in, but it's developing resources zoning.

So they can't really do anything with that until they come back with the development application, rezoning, right-of-way dedication with that alignment, public land dedication, all that kind of stuff will come when that develops.

Okay, and that's the same owner.

Correct.

Okay.

Same ownership group.

I'm still wrapping my head around the you know, L Doug helped me out a little bit understanding kind of the the structure there, but yes.

And I saw something about a feature road extension potentially in one of the drawings.

Yeah, yep, that's the continuation of Eastwind, and then some sort of orientation to the north.

Uh we're not exactly sure how that's going to look exactly, so that's why it's labeled like approximate location on the plans.

And then there's also a proposed trail along this old rail here, too.

And so that's another thing that's kind of refactoring into too to all of the thinking here.

So try to use the mouse.

I don't know if you can see it here.

Um the plan is you come in, you enter the building here from kind of the north side along the west end of the building, kind of an entry lobby, and then there's a break room just to the south of that here on the first floor.

So that spills out into a small patio um surrounded by landscaping there facing to the west.

Okay.

So there is uh the hope of giving a bit of outdoor space for folks.

And then we're actually adding a patio to the blue building to the north on the other side.

Yeah, on the other hand.

Yeah, I'm sorry, if you're gonna speak, please come up to the podium.

So this is being recorded.

Okay.

So there's two patios.

So there's both the one that Tom just mentioned.

There's also this one here that's being added as part of this uh site plan.

So folks that are working in this in this building, this is right off of their break room area, so they have a nice outdoor space also.

Thank you.

Okay, well, that's my question.

Um, and this is for the applicant.

Are you uh in terms of either either you are the materials that you're using or and or um how your power is being provided or um you know, in terms of architecture of the building, what sustainability things have you taken into account?

In other words, are you planning on putting solar or you know, kind of covering the full gamut?

Can you kind of speak to that what you're potentially looking at doing there?

Sure.

Yeah, I mean there are a few components.

Um as was mentioned earlier, you know, water savings in terms of landscaping plan was an initial consideration.

Um solar is planned for the roof.

Um, and then of course the EV parking, you know.

I think other than that, you know, material material-wise, it is fairly simple in terms of metal panel, stone, harvest cement, so you know, not a whole lot of time and effort put into stake sustainability there, but I would say between the water savings, solar photos, so the photovoltaics and then the um EV parking would be kind of the three main considerations that we're taking here.

Didn't really have an opportunity on this one, just heat pumps.

Okay, just for the photovoltaic, they're actually providing more than the minimum amount of photovoltaic that they would need for this project because they're trying to offset their energy use here.

So they're actually covering I would say 90% of the roof with photovoltaic.

So this is a big investment that INX is putting into that.

Thank you.

Other questions from commissioners at this point.

Seeing none, I will bring it back to commission for discussion and/or a motion at some point.

Start us off here.

I'll start please.

Yeah, I mean, I think it looks like a really attractive uh contribution to the site.

Um seems like an exciting business.

I also didn't know this is happening about that.

Um but um yeah, I don't I don't I don't have a tremendous amount of thing.

I I love to see the amount of landscaping that was put in.

It did feel like a very well compiled application.

Um so I mean I have no concerns.

I would look forward to approving it if we make a motion to do so.

I would like to just um thank our member of the public for coming.

It's not always the case that people who arrive in support take the time to show up.

So thank you.

I do appreciate that.

Comments.

I think it's a very responsible project and responsible to sign.

Well done.

It's a great job.

Good for the city.

Okay.

Same same.

I I think very nice design and everything.

My only concern was the parking, but they seem to have something planned for that.

It's great.

I'd like to get a tour.

I do have a secret clearance.

Yeah, I think it's all great.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, if uh staff could put the motion up on the screen, please.

The chair will entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion.

Commissioner Watson.

Yes.

I move to approve those resolution PC-2025-10.

Recommending that the city council approve the application for a site plan and architectural review for blocks 20 and 21.

The town site, a capital hill subdivision with the conditions included in the staff report.

Second.

Second.

Any other any other comments?

I guess.

City attorney, I don't need to read the conditions, right?

It says in the so we're good there.

Okay.

Yes.

All right.

So all those in favor, please say aye.

All right.

Aye.

All those opposed, say nay.

Okay.

It passes unanimously five zero.

Thank you very much for coming and showing us your facility, and we're very excited to see it when it's built.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Kudos to the staff too.

I think it was really well done.

So okay, so now we will now move on to other business.

Uh commission comments.

Are there any committee reports?

Open space.

A couple interesting things happen.

They had a joint meeting with Erie Open Space.

And it was very heartening to see that they actually have now something similar to what we have back in the day.

Erie's open space was basically whatever a developer didn't want to build on, and they called it open space.

Now they have an open space committee, they have staff, they have uh tax funding.

So they're in there in a shape to play with us now.

If in the future we want to come to any kind of joint purchase.

Umstensibly to discuss the you know the their price prioritization matrix and adjust some of the factors.

Um also one other thing that was came up that was interesting that the Erie group, they actually send uh letter to landowners of properties they're interested in, you know, like once a year, just letting them know that the city's there and if they're thinking of selling, you know, they can come to the city, so which is not something we currently do and probably should.

So that's something they're looking doing.

Um there's a discussion of what is included as open space versus parkland.

Now, the reason I mentioned this was actually something I didn't know or didn't remember, was that when we have an application and there is um dedication of required dedication of land by the developer, that land um since it's acquired by land dedication, can be looked at potentially for other uses and or for um active public use.

So because open space is purchased with tax money, then it can't be used for anything but that.

But the land dedication is a little flexible there.

So that was kind of interesting.

I don't think anybody's ever looked at doing anything with it, but still okay.

What else?

Um they discussed uh something we actually approved up here at one point was that Thorn Building on Cole Creek.

And what uh open space does is they approve their activity plan since they're allowed to actually come down to the creek and that area there and do stuff with the pre-Ks.

So they reviewed it, and it is extremely detailed and extremely lengthy what they can and cannot do and stuff like that, but still allowing them to interact with the open spaces down there.

Which is which is kind of good, and staff then monitors that make sure that they don't abuse it.

So yeah, the big guns.

And then finally there is, I haven't seen anything on it, but there's supposed to be me a uh boards and commission appreciation event at the golf course on December fourth.

If you guys might want to let us know at some point.

So December tenth.

That's what we're looking at.

December tenth, or we don't have anything in set in stone yet, but we're hopeful uh another spar, potentially a spar PUD.

So we we're hopeful that we could maybe get two cases in front of you that day.

We're still waiting on some updates from the applicants, but uh we're hopeful.

So you are aware you may be two commissioners, short.

Yes.

And that's that's what I'm gonna pass it off.

And if any other and if any others of them of our current commissioners decide for whatever reason they can't make it that night, what what is our required quorum?

Four.

So if you have four, you need three.