She's five months old.

Wagner.

Okay.

Give her a drumstick.

No, I don't know.

Not even that nowadays.

Yes.

Okay.

I turned it off.

You know good?

Good.

I saw uh it was Mahoney's birthday today, I guess.

Which Mahoney.

He was in our class.

Everybody didn't have a graduate two.

If you read it.

Same class?

No, Russia.

Russian are literally what a kindergarten.

I think it was first.

I think it was kindergarten through LS.

Sir?

From Queen Eleven to St.

Louis to LSU.

Sure.

Okay.

That's true.

That is true.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Not too many people that were roommates who can say that there's one of their roommates being increased to 50 years.

What you doing after this?

Yeah.

They got they have a probate at seven five.

We're gonna call this city council meeting to order.

I'll leave with the prayer.

Mr.

Bizena will lead with the pledge.

The mayor and his administration give us the wisdom and understanding and knowledge to rectify any situation that we may have here today, Father God.

I pray and ask that you bless the families that are represented here today, Lord.

That you bless our city through these holidays that we may come out better on the other side than when we started, Father God.

In Jesus Christ's name we pray.

Amen.

Pledge of allegiance to the fly to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation, under God, individual liberty and justice for all.

Here.

Here please vote on the minutes.

Number one.

Mr.

Young.

Uh yes, sir.

Appointment a chairman to review bids for project number CP 3414 Southwest Water Treatment Plant Backup Power Improvements.

Mr.

Weatherford.

Yes, sir.

Appoint a chairman to review bids for project number CP 9778 L C E C A D A railing and seating and to amend the budget as necessary.

Mr.

Harvey, would you take that?

Yes, sir.

Public hearings.

An ordinance ordering demolition and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement for demolition of a structure located at 1901 7th Street.

Earl Joseph Banks Jr.

James Anthony Anderson, Bessie May join our estate, Emmett Join our state, and Sheila Marie Leblanc, Ozanne owners.

Subject to us tax sale to the state of Louisiana.

Any questions or comments?

Oh Mr.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

Good evening, Council.

Yeah.

Good evening, Council.

This is a severe damage structure.

And I would say it's a 10.

Um you can see the whole front um roof of the building has collapsed into the house.

The walls are all collapsed.

Um there's all kind of interior damage, window damage, and weather damage to the whole structure.

I'd like to offer you the record photographs of the subject property, proof of service to the department security in Marshall's office.

This is a rehearing from November 5th meeting.

We have one card, Mr.

James Anderson.

Please come up to the mic, state your name and address for the record, please.

I live at 1829 7th Street.

That is uh the house in question.

That's my mother's home.

But it was damaged during the storm.

We didn't have we couldn't fix it.

And all I'm asking is y'all can demon demolish it and get on a pavement plan to play it, pay that back.

Okay.

Mr.

Fundale?

Yes, sir.

Uh normal delays.

Normal delays, and uh you can get with Mr.

Rubin, he explained to it, explain to you how it works.

Okay.

Okay.

So you go.

Yeah, he's asking us to demolish it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Please vote.

74.

All right.

Ordinance is voted.

Appreciate it.

All right.

On this for final action.

An ordinance amending section 24530C 15A1i of the Lake Charles zoning ordinance relative to the Nelly Lutcher District Overlay Standards.

I'm not familiar with what we're doing with this.

Members of the council, this was uh at the request of Mr.

Marks and a couple of other council members to allow us uh other materials in that district to be on the front facade of the building.

We've included stucco and hardy board with a specific reveal of the hardy board material on a on a uh vertical base on a horizontal basis.

So just allowing those uh those other materials to be included.

Just for clarity, could you repeat those again so that the council will know uh stucco and hardy board with no more than uh six inch preview on a horizontal basis?

And that's added to the ones that we are.

They're already allowed.

Okay.

Any questions or comments?

Can I speak?

Come up to the mic.

Yeah.

Um state your name and address for the record, please.

Cullen Washington, 2127 Veto Street, Lake Charles.

Okay, he was saying something about vertical.

Uh hearty board is hardy board.

Okay.

Uh when I first came up to the city, they didn't have uh stucco on your list or uh a hardy board.

Only I had was brick and stone.

Okay.

Well, everybody else in Boulevard went on and put uh uh uh stucco on a place.

Y'all passed that.

Okay.

Now I went on and put some uh hardy board.

Now, hardy board is harderboard, and it's the same thing.

It doesn't matter if you go vertical or horizontal because that's only a design, but it's still the same material.

But there's a standard that the city wants.

Okay, well, that wasn't in the standards.

Okay, y'all putting it in now.

But what I'm trying to say is, you know, I mean, okay, you will y'all object if I go with what uh hardy board brick.

We we gonna I'm just asking you a question.

But I'm I'm gonna ask you a question.

We're gonna object to anything that don't meet the rules.

So brick hard brick.

You see, hardy brick.

I mean, y'all got brick on there already, so why you can't use hardy brick.

What is hearty brick?

Well, hardy brick is the same material.

For example, I bought it right here.

Okay.

Okay.

This uh this made out of uh out of uh rock and stone.

They ground it up.

That's how they make this, okay?

The same thing they make with the uh the uh the one that's going horizontal, same material.

So if y'all looking at a look, that's different.

But the same material is material.

Now, this is a brick.

Uh-huh.

On y'all first thing, y'all say you can use brick or stone.

Well, you got this hardy book, you can make you make it out of brick too.

The same thing.

Well, I I understand the way you're perceiving it, but we have strict guidelines on how we want it to look and what we want to use.

Now, I I'm not denying that they made up the same material, but if it don't meet what we already have on and what we just added, it's not gonna pass.

But it's brick.

It's go it could be brick like this, horizontal.

It's still made out of a hardy board.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

Uh-huh.

So, what difference between hardyboard and brick?

It'll be the same design like this here.

That's what I'm saying.

Y'all cut the dicking yourself.

No, we're saying hardy board.

So you're saying you're going to put a piece of it.

No, I'm saying is that, for example, you know, uh, hardy board is harderboard.

It comes in all kinds of different designs and stuff like that.

Okay, so I I put mine up vertical.

Okay.

Y'all say you want George uh horizontal.

Reason why with vertical is I'm uh it's a radio station, and I'm gonna wrap it.

I can't wrap it like that.

It'll be lines in it.

But it's still it's still it's still hardyboard.

But if it's not horizontal, it's illegal.

We got that same ordinance in OPAR.

We got that same ordinance for homes.

When you're using uh certain metals, it has to be horizontal, it can't be parallel.

Okay, then why y'all went on and located with stuckboard and it wasn't on your agenda and all those bitters of boulevards y'all wouldn't let them pass.

Well, give me a variance.

Yeah, so y'all would give me a variance.

Mr.

Washington, let me explain something to you.

We changed it because of the discussions with you.

Right.

We came back and we added some things that you felt should be added.

I told you at the time we discussed it that I can't explain why those buildings got through.

I'm not even sure that what you're saying, they got through.

It got through.

Okay, but whatever the case is, there's a rule now.

So we can't just continue to let everybody break the rule.

I'm not breaking the rules.

I'm just saying that, hey, it doesn't matter.

Uh uh hardy board is hardy board.

I do.

And y'all looking at the uh uh at a design, you ain't looking at the material.

No, we're saying you can use hardy board.

Yes.

But my mine's already up already, so I I got spent on say money's already up.

But you put it up before it was approved.

Well, I put it up because yeah, y'all had on the docket and you kept taking off the docket.

Regardless of whether I'm not sure.

But regardless, because Mr.

Wash, listen.

I'm not gonna go back to the case.

No, we ain't gonna wrong about it, but be fair about it.

Let's be fair about it.

Go ahead and talk.

Okay.

Now, I brought up to uh Mr.

Mr.

Donald.

Okay, and Donald got what you guys put on there.

Okay, well, uh my opinion, I thought it was on a docket.

When I checked with McDonald's say it wasn't on there, y'all didn't call it me and say we took it off the docket or whatever.

I've been waiting five or six months for this.

Okay, you can't buy my station twice.

You say, well, it's fine, color.

You can probably give you a variance.

Now that's the time when Mr.

Donald was a sway in there, he was sick in the hospital with the fluid pneumonia, okay?

And you came by and you looked at it.

You said, Man, everything was good, blah, blah.

I mean, everything passed.

Everything passed, but y'all gave me a hard time with with this with this uh a hardy board to me doesn't make any difference if it's horizontal or vertical.

It doesn't make any difference.

Because I mean, stuckboard on boulevard, you can do stucco in any kind of design.

You know?

And they can do it vertical, hard, all kinds of zone.

So you're gonna have a problem with that.

I mean, that doesn't, you know, it's the material is material.

Okay, but the design is design, you know.

Can I speak now?

Yeah, go ahead.

Okay.

First of all, I didn't tell you everything was okay.

When I went and talked to you, I told you I couldn't make a call because that was Mr.

Fondale's district.

That's right.

I told you he was in the hospital.

So let's get that clear.

I didn't okay anything.

Second of all, when you told me the problems that you had, I came back and I met with the planning and zoning, and I asked them, could they add these particular elements to the thing, which is what we do in the day.

Now, whether it's taken off the docket or not doesn't give you permission to go ahead on it do it because you think it's gonna pass.

Well, I mean, because y'all have no objection when everybody is stuck on it.

I can't discuss it.

Well, they know about it, and it ain't uh fair as far.

This is what we're gonna do, Mr.

Washington.

We're gonna vote on this.

If it passes, then you can do it the way that we we voted on it.

It's already done, it's up there already.

But that's on you, that's not on us.

Well, okay.

Well, y'all have to save energy when when the store did the furnace did it, and hold up.

And the city people came by the each time to check on it.

Well, you came by the check for an inspection, the plumbing electric, they know they was going back with stucco and it was on your list.

So if you're gonna be fair, let's be fair across the board.

Okay, but what I'm telling you right now, this council, we voting on these rules right now.

Okay, that's fine.

If you got something up now that doesn't match what we passed today, it's illegal.

Okay, well, that's your opinion.

Okay.

So you're gonna wrap something over the stucco?

Uh uh.

It's hardy board.

It's a radio station.

I was gonna put my car.

I'm just gonna call it as you know how you see the trucks advanced.

No, no.

My question is you said you were gonna you did it vertical because you were gonna wrap the building.

So that gave me the impression you were gonna wrap something over the hardy board.

Or are you gonna wrap it with something other?

Are you gonna put a wrap around it?

Yes, I put a wrap with my colleters and stuff on it.

Yeah.

What are you gonna put on there?

The radius they should call it us.

You know, KPP345.

Oh, okay.

So you're not gonna tolerate, you're just gonna put a sign on.

No, it's gonna be a vinyl wrap.

You ever see vans walk around with advertising their business?

Well, it's gonna be hardy board, but it's gonna be the book gonna be covered with a wrap, a wrap on the whole the around the whole building.

No, not the whole building, just the front of the building, just the front of the building uh and on the side.

Yeah, you asked me to do 12 feet uh long and up to the top.

I did everything call me to ask me to do I did I did everything but a rules, but the only thing is I don't know if vinyls uh I don't think vinyls allowed, so I don't think you can do that.

Mr.

Speaker, the time of the gentleman has expired.

Okay.

Uh Mr.

McGarrett, do you have something you need to add to this?

Only the other question.

Okay.

Anyone else got anything?

No, I'm glad because I remember last time we hadn't talked about I think in my opinion, Hardy's superior to Stucco, but that's just uh opinion or preference.

But no, I'm glad that's stuck that Hardy's been added.

Okay.

Any others?

Anything else, Mr.

Washington?

Got another uh card, Mr.

Lewis Gillary.

Please state your name and address for the record.

Pastor Lewis Gilly.

322 Libby Street, Lake Charles, Louisiana.

I'm speaking on on behalf of this hearty plank issue, Mr.

Washington.

First of all, Hardy Plank is used uh because of hurricanes and those types of things.

My house was the only house on the block that made it through.

Even the brick houses didn't make it through.

But the hearty plank houses made it through.

If there's a question about his hearty plank going uh vertical, it might not be in the eight or the 10-inch form.

It's just in a bigger form, and it is up vertical.

It's uh, I think believe it's uh probably a four, uh four by two and a half, something like that, and it's going this way.

That's vertical.

I don't understand the issue with it is if it's just a look that you want.

Here's the issue, Mr.

Gillary.

We're finna vote on some materials to be added that may be cost effective for buildings going forward.

There's a way that that has to be put on the building.

It has to be horizontal.

It is horizontal with a six-inch uh uh drop.

Oh, so it's the design that you wanted.

Yes.

Just for the look.

That's the six inches.

Look, it's an overlay district.

We made special things for that district that are not like the rest of the city.

So when when Mr.

Washington was having his problem, me and Mr.

Fundell went out there several times and we talked to him, and he gave us the idea that other materials needed to be added.

We brought it back to planning and zoning, see, saw with them if it was okay, let them look over it, and now it's finally getting on the agenda for us to vote on.

Now, all I'm saying, whatever kind of hardy plank he's using, if it's hardy plank, fine.

Long as it meets what the standards say.

I'm not saying if that is considered hardy plank, I couldn't tell you it is.

Oh, it's hardy plank.

Okay, if it's hardy plank, put it on the way it's supposed to be put on, and we don't have a problem.

It's on the way it's supposed to be on.

It's it's horizontal.

It's just not the six-inch drop that you're talking about.

Now, you brought up the deal about uh stucco.

What does the stucco do?

One minute.

Okay.

Here's the deal.

These are just materials that has been added that you could use on your building.

The hardy plank, to my knowledge, Mr.

Boguerus, is the only thing that has required a certain look.

So it's it's basically just a look that you want.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Because if it's about being horizontal, it's horizontal.

If it's about a look that you want, then why are the rest of the buildings not having to look like that?

Now I understand what you said.

You said that that it wasn't on the ordinance before.

Right.

But it's it you're putting it on there now.

Right.

Okay.

You're putting it on there specifically because of this question.

Because of this building.

But it's hardy plank and it's horizontal.

Yes.

So he asked for specifically a six-inch drop.

No, he didn't ask.

He just asked for hardy plank.

But you can't just ask for it.

The planning and zoning department is going to tell you, okay, if we use this material, this is how we put want to put it on, because the Nelly Electric Culture District is an overlay district.

We got certain qualifications for that district.

When you put a building in that district, it has to follow those guidelines.

So he's talking about because there are other buildings right now in North Lake Chelsea that have that.

I'm not and they're not even covered with anything.

But I'm not doubting it black.

They may be I'm just asking, I'm just pointing out.

But I'm giving you the answer.

Y'all refuse to listen to the answer.

No, I can't answer.

Anything prior to this.

What has gotten by prior to, I don't know if it did, I don't know if it didn't.

Maybe we need to send some inspectors out.

All I'm saying is from this point on, we have rules in place.

Now you have to follow that.

Mr.

Washington said he put something on the building because he thought it was on the agenda.

Well, that's not our problem.

You can't go ahead of the rule and put it on thinking it's gonna pass.

Who said it was gonna pass?

When y'all make the rule, that's the that's the point.

We're making it tonight.

We're making it now.

So you go on his behalf.

So you're gonna change the rule.

Yeah, to help you.

We're adding to the rule.

Okay.

So, Mr.

Um, we're not, just to explain, we're not architects.

This these people lead the architectural design.

So, can you give us a small explanation why the plank, the hearty plank the way it is, and what he has on his building.

It's just a design standard to give it a more appealing look with the horizontal uh lap siding and not just a piece of four by eight backer board put on a building.

It has to have some architectural features to make it fit within those types of districts.

It looks very similar to the older style.

It is what we're calling that district.

Exactly.

It gives it a it it takes that commercial feel away and it has some you know some residential feel to it.

Could he meet this?

I would what would be the requirement?

He could he could skim coat that with stucco and he is good to go.

He's done, he's done.

But okay, but if I paint it with stucco paint, it's the same look.

It could look the same.

You go down Enterprise Boulevard, you ain't gonna be able to tell the difference.

Let me ask you something.

Okay, if stucco is the rule, why are we trying to do everything other than just well uh I respect that opinion, but stucco wasn't the rule.

We made it for you.

You know, no, not for me.

You know why?

Because Lake Charles is changing.

Rule, you need other material on the list.

Uh I I I give y'all a painting you need to do that.

But I'm just saying is the board I have on there, okay.

I pass every expection.

Only thing is if y'all want to look, when I paint it, it's gonna look just like stucco.

Long as you put stucco on it, you know, it'll be all right.

You know.

No, Mr.

Go ahead.

I I think what I'm hearing is he wants to paint this facade to put a wrap around it.

No, no, no.

The wrap is not allowed.

That is a signage material.

You're only allowed so much signage within the district, also, and it is not a lot of signage because you don't want that overbearing look of a commercial sign.

So I don't know.

I haven't seen this wrap or what this wrap's gonna look like, but based on what I'm hearing, that is not gonna be allowed.

Well, Mr.

Washington said that's not what he's saying.

Okay.

Uh I think the gentleman said that I couldn't do the wrap.

That's fine.

But I'm gonna paint it.

I'm gonna use paint it with stucco paint.

It's gonna look just like stucco.

Same thing.

It's the same material.

I'm gonna use the paint.

It's gonna look exactly the same.

You're not the we're not the architectural people for you to talk to to talk to you about this.

You know what?

You know, I uh we're trying to add the I'll say this, Mr.

Fun Dale.

Here's what you do.

This is what I suggest.

That paint that you're gonna use, it's stucco paint.

Call us, let us get a city inspector out there to see if that paint meets the criteria, and we can go from there.

If it don't, you'll know.

Right now, we just talking because I can't picture it, you know, because I never knew stucco had a paint.

Yeah.

There's a lot of things you guys don't understand.

I I respect that.

But I'm saying is that I I got the same material, the same thing.

The only thing different is that I'm gonna paint it with stucco paint.

Okay.

And it doesn't matter if you go horizontal or vertical, because the paint ain't gonna show that anyway, regardless.

You know, it's gonna be gonna be it's gonna look just like stucco.

You know, it's gonna look just like like we're not saying you have to be vertical with the stucco.

We're saying you have to be horizontal with the hardy plank.

But when I understand what you're saying, but when you're painted, wait, but tell if it's horizontal veronic when you paint it.

Because you know, it's gonna be paint.

It's gonna look just like stucco when I paint it.

Um but we're not I say what you're saying.

Yeah, you can if you painted and it looked like stucco, in my opinion, you met the criteria.

But if you use hardy plank, it must have the six-inch drop.

That's what we said.

It's not about the stucco, it's about the hardy plank.

Well, uh, everybody tilted opinions, but I don't like the idea.

Says y'all know I put mines up there with hardy board that way.

No, you're about to change the design.

We're not changing the design.

But listen, it was listen, okay.

I understand what you're saying.

But I'm saying is that y'all just put that design in there now.

Okay.

I mean, you know, I mean, it wasn't able there in the past.

I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna be done with it, Mr.

Washington, and I respect your opinion.

You called us out there on several occasions.

Right.

Your first complaint was what you was putting on your building wasn't a part of what we require.

You say why we don't use this, why we don't use that, why we don't do that.

We come back based upon what we got from you and said we're gonna try to add these other materials to the list.

Right.

That's what we're doing today.

And I understand that.

And I told you the reason why I said because at the time, Ms.

August had the right idea of the tensions, but Lake Charles is growing.

So when you grow, you got new material come out.

It's better material.

So what I'm saying is, you know, that hey, it's it's it's hordible wood.

Now we got a problem with horizontal vertical when you painted, you ain't gonna be a tip as horizontal vertical regardless.

Okay, you know, but y'all want to put that the look on that way, and you know, uh, to me is this I mean, well, I can't get uh a variance like everybody else.

I mean, when I went to the boatwood, my building had to be so much fur from the dog on from the road.

Just like everybody else.

No.

The Modegard Museum is you open the door, you're done boulevard.

Yeah, yes, yes.

You know, so I had to be so far from the road.

Uh huh.

But y'all give the market all kind of variants all the time.

Okay.

So, you know, you know, so I'm just saying yes, it's gonna be fair, it's be fair.

Okay, here's the fair part.

You have to go to planning and zoning and ask for the variants.

Well, I'm saying is no.

Why but when I came to y'all, I had to be so much feet from Boulevard Boulevard, but the new buildings are almost uh the Margaret business is almost on the street.

You just answered your own questions.

If they did that, they went out of variance.

Okay, so why can't you want to pay?

You just can't.

I've been asking for I've been asking for six months.

You but you got to go to planning and zoning.

We don't give the variants.

The variants don't come here.

Okay.

Well, I've been talking to them too, and they tell me wait to city council meeting.

Do this and do that.

I've been waiting for six months.

Okay.

Anything else, Mr.

Washington?

That's it.

All right.

Thank you.

Any other questions or comments?

We're voting just for clarity on what Mr.

Bigueras said.

We're adding to the now materials that you can use in the Nelly Lechicultural District.

Anybody needed to repeat it.

Please vote.

74.

Thank you.

Number six, an ordinance accepting the lowest responsible bid and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase one new rear load of refuse truck for use by the public works department solid waste division.

Mr.

Harvey.

Yes, Mr.

President.

I recommend Martin Truck as the lowest responsive and responsible bidder with uh bid of 256,624 dollars.

I move that we accept this bid.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

74.

Number seven, an ordinance accepting the lowest responsible bid and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase one new three-wheel sweeper for use by the public works department streets division.

Mr.

Billboard.

Okay.

So it was no bid, so we doing it again.

What it says no bids received.

Reject and rebid.

You're gonna reject it and rebid it.

Okay.

It's reject it and repeat it.

Okay.

We're gonna reject and rebid.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

Seven four.

We're gonna amend number eight.

An art it'll read an ordinance accepting the lowest responsible bid and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase one eight-yard dump truck for use by the public works department grounds maintenance crew.

We're gonna vote for the amendment.

Please vote.

You need to read in the section one.

Or you can do it.

I can do it.

Go ahead.

Section one, the mayor of the city of Lake Charles is hereby authorized to accept the lowest responsible bid and to enter into an agreement on behalf of the city of Lake Charles with company is it?

Excuse me.

No.

That's we didn't need to read it.

Yeah, you don't you don't read it in because we're amending it right now to say eight, and then when he reads in, he'll say who the I got you.

Okay, thank you.

Sorry.

My apologies.

So we're we're voting on the amendment, changing the eight yard.

Everybody in agreement.

Please vote.

Seven four.

Now an ordinance accepting the lowest responsible bid and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase one eight-yard dump truck for use by public works department grounds and maintenance division.

Mr.

Young.

Yes, Mr.

President.

Uh the lowest responsive and responsible bidder meeting specifications for this bid was Martin Truck in the amount of 121,240.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

74.

Number nine, an ordinance accepting the lowest responsible bid and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase one new four-wheel sweeper for use by the public works department grounds maintenance division.

Mr.

Vizeno.

Yes.

We only received one bid in the amount of 378,000 from utility truck and equipment company.

I recommend we accept it as the only and lowest bid.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

74.

Number 10, an ordinance accepting the lowest responsibility and authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter an agreement to purchase traffic control products under 12 month contract with the option to renew for an additional 12 months, but used by the public works department, communications and traffic division.

The lowest responsive bid is the successful bid in Category 1 is Vulcan Incorporated for 53,844 and 40 cents.

Category 2, Trantex Transportation, 22,415,000.

Category 3, Newman signs, $5,672.

Category 4, Trantex Transportation, $16,835.

Category 5, Vulcan Incorporated, $23,356.

Category 1 and 5, Vulcan Incorporated, 77,256.

Category 2 and 4, Trantex Transportation, 39,250.

Category 3, Newman signs 5,672.

I move that the bids be accepted as stated.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

This is an amendment.

Um and I'll read it in an ordinance authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter into a professional services agreement with Allied Universal to provide comprehensive security detail coverages for City Hall, the transit division building, the downtown lakefront, and other buildings as needed, and to amend the budget as necessary.

Section three, the director of finance.

That's it.

I read in the uh an ordinance authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter in a professional services agreement with Allied Universal to provide comprehensive security detail coverages for City Hall, the transit division building, the downtown lake front, and the other buildings as needed.

Um discussion?

Yes, Mr.

President.

Oh, well, hold on before you say we got a card.

Uh we got Miles Brown.

Miles Brown, 10204 Fourth Avenue.

Um I'm glad that y'all was able to kind of, I guess over the past two weeks, y'all had postponed it.

So it looked like y'all got some more information on what it's about.

So I just had a uh one of my first questions I had is do y'all know how much is gonna cost exactly this agreement?

Mayor, you want to ask?

Yeah, the the the as stated here with the all the security will cost 200,000 for the contract per year.

Okay, okay.

Um well I can say I I want to say this too first that security is very important.

So I I totally agree that it needs to be secure safeties and and when you think about it on a wide wide variety of lists, why security is needed.

But uh I want to kind of bring back a situation.

I don't know if y'all remember uh a few months ago, and that was whenever they had a guy from out of town that came here and he tried to prove a point.

And I don't agree with what he did or how he did it, but he was just exercising his first amendment rights.

And fortunately, everything happened peacefully.

Security here did a good job, police did a good job, and then I don't know if y'all remember it's about two days later he came to a meeting here and he sat right behind the city attorney, and that's whenever he you know was rude and unprofessional and just you know was making all kind of noises.

But what I will say is that if y'all remember, I did try to remar uh warn y'all about this on August 12th.

So I just wanted to put that out there.

But moving forward, um, one of the things I have concerns about this contract is when these security that y'all possibly are uh agreeing to, what is their scope of enforceability?

Uh because when I'm when I look at the history of that company or just in general, like are they just gonna have a flashlight, a walkie talkie, and a whistle?

Because if so, what are they supposed to do when a situation arises?

Um I don't know if y'all remember, but I heard what happened to the last security guard.

I got somebody a minute uh yield at time.

We have uh he's been given three more minutes by Miss Renee Cawthon.

So it's four minutes altogether.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

So uh yeah, so if all this, if that's what all they're gonna have, then what are they supposed to do when a situation arises?

Are they just gonna call the police?

Because that's the same thing that's being done now.

So that that's what I'm my my biggest concern with that is, and then even if they are um let's say they are armed and strapped and they are allowed to use some type of force, what is their limit on their force that they can use and what's gonna happen when they possibly violate somebody's rights?

Is that gonna fall on the city, or is this gonna fall on these top flight security guards?

Because end of the day, um, it's gonna be like, well, y'all potentially hired these people, and then it's not say it's gonna fall on y'all, but it's just gonna be remembered that this was voted on.

So then you gotta ask yourself, okay, whose fault is it?

Well, what's the situation?

What is their policy?

How are they how are they following rules?

And then you gotta look at too.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm kind of tired of using my hard-earned dollars to finance other people's mistakes and failures.

So I see this as a a big situation that can arise.

Oh, can I get 10 seconds off on it?

10 seconds extra.

Uh but but when you think of what I I'll say this too, though, but uh I kind of lost my train of thought there.

But uh it's also all good.

But yeah, like the thing is, like I say, these guys, these they they vibe they possibly violate somebody's rights.

Um and and the thing is, you know, you know, like it or love it or hate it, you know, Lake Charles has been making a name for itself over these past few months.

So when you think about just the overall uh situations that arise, um, you know, there's gonna be more people like him that could possibly come up here and want to prove a point.

And you think about it, uh, that's only gonna lead to more problems.

It's gonna lead to possibly more unnecessary 911 calls, uh, more resources being used for something that doesn't have to be used.

Um you look at the fact that uh more event reports, more paperwork, more concerned citizens filing public records requests, I mean a wide variety of things, even possibly more depositions on the fourth floor.

So that's why I'm kind of worried about it, because I'm not saying that security is is bad or anything, but if they don't know how to uh follow people's rights or they end up you know violent people's rights, this can end up leading to a bigger financial situation than possibly just hiring them in.

So that's kind of why I'm I'm kind of worried about it.

But I do want to say that um end of the day, whether y'all vote on it, yes or no.

If y'all do vote to get them on there, just make sure that there's some kind of agreement where they know how to uh they know people's rights and they don't overreact on certain things because at any moment, you know, people are gonna be waiting to see and try to test them.

Nope, I hate to say it, but people don't really respect security guards that much.

So they're gonna try to bait them and they're gonna try to use them to call 911 and get police to come here and do whatever, just approve a point.

It's it's just it's just a recurring factor.

But I will say if y'all don't uh pass it or whatever the case, the security y'all have now does a good job, and I I'm not I'm this is just my subjective opinion, but if you have possibly a marshal police officer or sheriff, I'm not saying they're gonna stop everything, but it does seem that when you have somebody like a presence like them, people are less likely to do something crazy or stupid.

And the marshal, police and sheriff actually do know how to uh kind of gauge threats and not overreact to certain things.

Mr.

Speaker, that's why time of the gentleman is expired.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you, Mr.

Brown.

I just can I get to one more minute.

Yeah, just one more minute.

If y'all want to give him one more minute, please vote.

Seven four.

Yeah.

So yeah, that's mainly where I'm uh I'm at on it.

It's just, you know, I I I I do care about security, I think it's important, but I just don't want it to be where it ends up being a bigger deal because you know, when they do something wrong, who's gonna be held accountable?

Is it the city or is it gonna be them?

And you just don't want these things to just recur because I can see where people are gonna try to feed off of this as a potential money grab.

So that'll be all.

Thank you all.

Thank you, Mr.

Brown.

And um and Mr.

President, if I could, I could I'll try to answer unpack that's a lot of that a lot of questions in there, but I'll try to unpack some of it.

Um currently uh we have at least two areas of the city that we do not have uh security for the security, the people that are sitting at the desk over here with security shirts on, they are not formal formally trained security people uh to secure this building.

We have 10 stores of uh of employees, we have our finance department, we have HR department, we have city, the top floor, uh the the mayor's office.

None of these areas are secured.

At the transit center, we collect monies because we know that's where the water department is.

We've had transit drivers that have been assaulted.

So when I came into office, we looked at uh how to secure this area.

Uh we thought that, and I assume that the the marshal's office, because they're part of our budget could secure this building, and I think that's gonna be an item coming up next week for you guys to create a new position to secure the uh the city court.

And I think that's going to be an item coming up next week for you guys to create a new position to secure the uh the city court.

But uh the marshal's office, uh, in order to bring a deputy over, a marshal over, it has to be a reserve uh marshal, and they charge us sixty dollars an hour to secure uh to for that person to work here.

So we we looked at that and said, Well, we want uh uh officer here, but he said he doesn't have enough, he needs another officer just to secure the uh first city court.

So then we looked at the uh the Lake Charles Police Department, uh but we those are people that we have out on the streets patrolling the neighborhoods, businesses and securing places.

So we do have because we had several incidents that happened here, uh we do have a police police officer that's stationed here.

But that that's a voluntary, uh that's a voluntary policeman on days off, and it costs us overtime to do that.

So uh we've had like Mr.

Miles said, we did have a gentleman came in one day, decided he wanted to take it upon himself to go up into each of the floors and start video taping people and and uh was really uh uh confrontational with a few of the people, scared a lot of people, and we realized that we need to get something better to stop the security here.

Uh people that get up that come here, they say we're going to the third floor or the fourth floor.

Next thing you know, they're pushing the button and showing up on the tenth floor, and uh and the the place is just not secured.

Same thing at the transit building.

So after looking at uh $60 an hour for a marshal who is not available, and looking at paying overtime on voluntary basis for police officers to come and sit here, we said, well, then the next step is going to be to find a professional security services.

LI came highly recommended, they're professional security firm.

They provide security at a number of places, some of the plants.

So we looked at uh what levels they had.

They had people that come in that they they're the security people, they're unarmed.

They've got others that are armed, then they have others that are post-certified.

We asked them what were the rules of engagement for the post-certified.

They said that if uh if there's an armed conflict or threat to life, they're authorized to use force, even deadly force to stop that.

If there's a threat, like an assault, some sort of uh some sort of uh uh problem like that, they're authorized to sit to uh to intervene to stop that.

But otherwise, they're gonna call the city police and and and and maintain the situation in the meantime.

Uh that that's all we can get unless we go and hire other people.

The police department is 23 people down, and the sheriff's office, I mean the uh the marshals office say they have no one available.

We want to bring in post-certified people who have those rules of engagement.

If there's any incidents that involves the rights of people, uh like anybody else that does business with the city, they're gonna have their own liability insurance, and we're gonna be an additional insured so that we're covered under those type of circumstances.

I know there are some concerns about the uh also providing security on the lakefront in the downtown area, and that is uh security for for the general public as opposed to the employees of the city.

So we have no problem with that being put to the uh Lake Charles Police Department because we will insist that they patrol these areas and and take care of those.

But the facilities where we bring our employees in and trust them to provide services to the people, we do need to have security.

And in the environment that we see all over the country, I think is a very prudent thing to do, especially at this time.

So they said there's three of us that we want to engage the post-certified level.

Yes, we can engage that level.

Okay, that's what I thought.

Those are professionals they've been trained to uh to to uh deal with these kind of situations and they fully understand the rules of engagement.

And do we have somebody from Allah here?

Did somebody know?

I think so, no.

Any other questions?

Ms.

President.

Any other questions?

Like I told you, I would before we go into a contract.

I would like to see exactly what the difference between a armed security guard and what they're considering a post-certified security guard.

For the reason like I told you, sure.

A post-certified police officer is someone who was through a police agency, national law enforcement agent, went through a post academy and became post-certified, and is required to renew that every year with certain requirements.

Twenty hours of CEUs, like a lot of uh uh uh professional organizations, and qualify with a weapon and all that.

And I just I would just for clarity for all of us, what exactly am I getting for the extra money to say I'm going to step three, post-certified now?

I just I think we all need to know that clarity before we sign a contract.

Yeah, and I and I and I think that's I think that's a fair question.

I think that can be a condition of the of any kind that if they are post-certified, that they meet whatever the requirements are of post-certification in terms of training, renewal, so that they can actually protect the city and they like.

I don't know.

Mr.

Vision, we've talked to them, they got three levels.

They do have it, they do retrain on, they do have to get post-certified each year.

There's there's uh two different levels that carry guns.

Uh we're looking at the one that charges 2950 an hour.

We can get them to come in and answer those questions for you.

But we do know, like the mayor mentioned, that uh they provide services to the industries, and I think they're pretty strict over there.

They provide disservice to the school board.

We vet at them, we've talked to uh agencies that have used them.

They're very comfortable with professionalism and how they handle events.

We really think it's important that we try to get somebody on board to help us at City Hall and Transit.

Oh, I don't disagree.

I just want to make sure we're getting what we're paying for.

Absolutely.

We're only doing City Hall and transit.

Well, I I think I think right now it says uh uh downtown and lakefront, but I understand that there's some concerns about that.

I'm not as concerned about uh I think our lake challs police department will manage to to uh to police the general public because that is a different rules of engagement.

But I think for the at least the two facilities, the uh city hall and the transit area, especially the transit, uh, where we do have we have had some physical assaults on our our personnel, we would like to get those places secured.

And Mr.

Fondell, we've had we've had conversations, Mr.

Fondell with a couple of the council members, and I believe uh Mr.

Young was will make an amendment okay uh uh to the existing uh ordinances written.

Okay, okay.

Before he make his amendment, anybody got anything as it as stated.

Mr.

Young?

Yes, sir.

Uh because of the recent incidents, I I had a lot of questions about this this as well.

Um I do think that there needs to be an armed guard at at City Hall uh and at Transit Center uh to protect our employees.

Uh I from what I gauge uh conversations with other council members with law enforcement, there's a lot of questions about how this security company could, would, should provide uh security on the lakefront and the downtown.

So uh what I would propose is to offer an amendment uh passing this uh agenda item as is written, but omitting the downtown lakefront and other buildings as needed from it so that we can move forward with an agreement for City Hall and the Transit Center.

Okay, Mr.

Also checked on reduction in overall cost, and it would cut the estimated cost in half uh by doing so.

So there's some relief there.

Okay.

With with Mr.

Young making the motion, we got a motion on the floor to for the same ordinance, just omitting the downtown and lakefront areas.

So that is the motion on the floor.

Any discussion now.

Well, uh, I think it needs to be second.

I can say I'll second it.

Second it, motion second.

Now discussion.

Mr.

Harvey?

Yes.

Yes.

First of all, I'll take security very, very serious, and and I agree with everything.

This this is my only issue.

I I have a couple issues with this.

One, we we have a police force.

Why why can't we mandate that qual we got qualified individuals for Lake Charles Police Department?

Why are we going outside to get an external professional service agreement when we have people who work for us already that can be mandated and assigned to these particular locations?

Because it's nothing against ILOC or any external company.

I'm not even going to say they name, but for the for the sake of hiring an additional security company, we we hiring a middleman because of something, God forbid, but if something happened on the lakefront like it's happened before, they still have to contact Lake Charles Police Department.

So it's almost like we getting a liaison to buy time to come back to the source that we already have in-house.

That's just me.

And then I'm just gonna say this is no secret that every one of our city employees are talking about pay raises right now.

We can we can we can we can conquer uh or we have a solution in-house right now instead of spending more money when we got everybody from public works to uh the fire department, everybody's asking for extra money right now.

I'm just saying, just my thoughts.

I'm not speaking for everybody else, but I'm just saying we got qualified individuals who police our city every single day that we can just assign them to a location.

Because if we say we got a shortage with the Lake Charles Police Department, every profession, every job, every entity have a shortage of employees.

I'm sure the external security people got a shortage of employees too.

That that's just my thoughts.

I'm not speaking for everybody, but I just I just can't see us, especially with the time that we're in right now, we got people who asking for raises every single day that we bringing in somebody when we have the qualified individuals in-house already.

That's just me.

I would just rather assign a Lake Charles Police Department.

Mr.

Harvey, I'll tell you, we are working very, very hard to bring in additional revenue to get those raises.

Uh this this contract for 100,000, that's not, I mean, that's that's not gonna uh take away the raises because uh just to raise the uh the salary of city employees gonna take a whole lot more than that.

The big and the big issue is that in order to use uh um my preference would be uh uh uh a Lake Child City Police are uh uh uh uh Lake Shaw City Marshal, but the problem is that uh city police is 23 people understaffed right now.

Uh to pull people off on normal hours would mean we would compromise the active patrols in the city.

Right now we do have Lakehaw City Police because of the recent incidents that come here, but they're chart is voluntary overtime, so it's costing us much more than that.

And if we brought and the time we brought a marshal over, instead of 29 dollars an hour was costing us sixty dollars an hour.

So that I mean I there's no cost saving in using people that are already here because uh we can't assign them without uh without uh pulling you rob it from Peter the PayPal if we do that.

So this may not be a uh a full uh permanent fix.

I mean, we're hoping that that some of the things that we're working on to get pay raises will actually obviate that and we won't have to use the ally, but as of right now, is uh the value of human life is much more important to us.

I am go ahead.

So we're just gonna sign a one-year contract and evaluate after a year.

Yeah, we're saying is if the numbers did come up at the police department where there was enough availability, we would we would go back.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I would want uh my preference, the best security we could have here would be somebody that has uh powers to arrest right down the spot.

I mean that would that would be the best secure environment for us, but if not, the next best thing is to have somebody armed with rules of engagement, but who can also know how to dispatch and get in the type uh policeman and call them off the normal patrols when needed.

Uh I I guess Mr.

Bilbo.

So you said they're gonna have to have insurance with the company, and then the city gonna have to have insurance.

No, they're they're in they're gonna have insurance, and then the city is listed as an additional insured under insurance.

Under insurance, so if something happened and they maximize their company insurance, then it falls back on us.

Well, we're making sure they have enough insurance where we think we're not gonna it's not gonna fall on us that that's part of their cost of doing business that they have to have enough insurance to cover uh potential liability.

I I'll say go ahead.

I I just want to know Mr.

Bizeno and brought up more than uh some additional information, so you're satisfied you don't need that now.

Well, no, I'd I'd like to know what they consider post-certified.

That's the question I have.

Uh and so you're asking us to hold off until you get that.

He's our law enforcement guy.

Well, I'm not saying I don't know.

I just think before we sign a contract, let's clarify which level we need.

Because I don't I understand what you said, Mr.

Cardone, but I'd still like to know how these guys are getting recertified through post annually if they're not with a law enforcement agency.

Well, I do, Mr.

Visionot, if that's your comfort zone and you agree to that.

Um give us approval to hire them on the contingency that you have a chance to meet with them, you're satisfied.

Yeah, uh I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

I guess that makes sense, but if that's the case, I I'm support I I of course second.

I think we need the security here and in transit.

Um if there's questions that need to be answered, to me, it makes sense to defer it for two weeks and let that questions be answered.

Um I don't know what what's the issue with doing that.

I I it it's that's your preference.

I mean, I I think but I think post-certified is a uh is a uh is a is a universal certification, so uh there's no there's no levels of post-certification, so if they're not post-certified, then they can't enter into this contract anyway.

Well, I but this it's not a universal certification.

I know I beat this dead horse.

Okay, but one thing it it it does annually is it it updates us on new legislation.

You have required constitutional training, you have required amendment training.

So you understand what you can and can't do and what a civilian can and can't do.

You know how to exercise that authority that we're gonna that anybody that works here that says you can't come in this building, you can't come in this building or whatever, they have some training on what they can and can't enforce.

You know, and and I that's what I think the post part is so important.

And have that training rather than at SHITCO, it's a private business.

It's a little different.

You can't come in here.

Here it's a little different.

It's a public building.

And I do agree with Mr.

Brown, he brought up some very good points.

It's a public building.

When that gentleman wanted to try, they've done it at the sheriff's office, they've done it at the libraries.

You gotta be cautious about what you can and can't do.

Can you carry a weapon in here?

Because in Louisiana, constitutional carriage says you can carry a weapon in.

You need to know exactly how to deal with that.

If somebody comes in, we have metal detectors.

We don't have metal detectors.

Can I search you and see if you have a weapon?

All those things can be challenges that they're gonna try to make.

And we need to make sure we have somebody trained on how to deal with that.

That's the only reason I'm pushing this big issue.

Training, training, training.

Because I I've lived by the rule.

If it's predictable, it's preventable.

I predict that they're gonna try that.

And we need to be ready for it.

It's the only reason I want to delay this, but I support having security here 100%.

Don't get me wrong.

I don't want to delay it.

I'm just looking at I'm responsible.

I think I'm feeling that way.

So I want to do it right.

I think those are valid concerns.

I don't have a problem deferring it.

I I get together with the people from LI to make sure that everybody's at a comfort level because whoever they are will be interacting with the public, and that needs to that's very important.

You need to know what they're doing.

Before we before we vote on that, okay, I just want to make a few points.

Okay.

First of all, how many are we gonna have in each place?

Have you figured that out yet?

If not, don't worry about it.

We have one.

So it'd be one here and one in um in the um transit.

The second thing is I I hate to be the dead horse.

My concern is okay, the insurance.

I know when you become a rider on an insurance policy, you just as much at fault as the primary.

So at some point the city takes a liability just as much as the other person.

Now you may have to go through what that other person has insured first, but then eventually it's gonna get back to the city.

And anytime somebody doing something, they're coming for the biggest dog, the one with the biggest money, or who they perceive has the biggest money.

So we need to factor into that.

Two, I Mr.

Marks, one thing if I go ahead.

If they would be additional insured, we would be additional insured listed for at least what the maximum cap is.

So our liability would be fairly minimal as long as we're maintaining and making sure that they list us as additional insured.

Okay.

Okay.

So that's good to know.

We have a we have the constitutional cap on damages.

Okay.

But we got to get to that cap.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I would suggest, along with just to contemplate, since we're gonna defer.

I'm just putting some things out there to answer some questions.

I think we ought to try them for six months.

See what how it works out, first of all, because like Mr.

Viesnoff said, we could potentially have a rash of people trying to try these people just because they know.

Mr.

Marks, we actually have a 30-day counsellation.

So we don't, even though we enter into a long-term agreement, if we're not satisfied, we can counsel within 30 days' notice.

So I just want to put that on the table as we go.

Second of all, I think we need to start to work on a long-term solution to this.

You know, whether it be putting metal detectors at at the doors, because one person, if we put them in, no matter where we put them, we got two other doors that they can't see.

That creates a problem.

Just the fact that you can get on the elevator and go up to the 10th floor is a problem.

You know, I think there are some other measures that we can put in long term because I just envision, like at the plant, we have a ship come in, somebody jumps off that ship and run through the gate.

That guard can't do nothing.

He can't do nothing.

He just goes, hey, there's somebody that got off the ship.

And now we got to rely on the police to come.

This is what we're doing now.

Something happens, they can stop it, I'm sure, intervene, like Mayor said, but we still have to call the police.

And Mr.

Barnes, just to let you know that this is this contract is just for the human part of the security plan is to actually put detectors and and uh put restricted access to the on the elevators.

That's all part of the security plan.

This is just the human element.

Okay.

So, well, I'll just minimize my input and say we're gonna amend, we got can we vote on the uh uh Mr.

Stutz.

Can we vote on the amendment so that becomes the item going forward, whereas City Hall and uh the transit center, and then we defer for the discussion.

So when we come back, we already got the item that we voted.

You can do that.

Okay, so right now, yes.

We're gonna vote and then you can defer the time frame.

He said two weeks or the next meeting.

I'm talking about the time frame that they're gonna be locked into this contract, even though they got a 30-day cancellation.

Yeah, if you weren't happy with the year, why not put it in for six months?

Whether they got 30 days or not to council.

If you you initially said do it six months.

Yes.

Well, why not make the amendment for the reflect six months?

Six months.

Okay.

So then we can look at it and see if we're happy with that, or if we're making any changes to the real problem to me, is the elevator because that one guy can't, once he gets on the elevator, you ain't got no control where he goes, and he can't follow you.

Once you get past the first floor, you can go anywhere.

So the one guy really not gonna help you.

Like you said, you got three entrances, and once you're gonna elevator, they can go anywhere.

That one guy can't help you.

If you get on the elevator, it's over.

So I think that's the main thing is let's get the elevator fixed.

I'm willing to concede this if the administration is for this for this amendment.

We put six months when we come back.

If you realize that it's better for 12, I mean for to do the year, we can we can change it.

Good?

That's right.

Yeah.

Everybody good with that?

Absolutely.

So we have a we have an amendment on the on the floor.

The amendment is uh let's see, what number is it?

Number an ordinance authorizing no, that ain't authors.

Uh an ordinance authorizing the city of Lake Charles to enter in the a professional service agreement with Allied Universal to provide comprehensive security detail coverages for City Hall and the transit building for a six-month period.

And to amend the budget as necessary.

And to amend the budget as necessary.

Any questions or comments?

I need a second.

Need a second.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Billboard.

I thought he made the he made the I made the motion.

You're right.

So somebody else got a second.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Young.

Comment.

I got a comment.

Comment.

For the sake of that, since we are deferring it.

In the meantime, can we look at the systems for Lake Charles Police Department to see?

I understand we short.

But we also got time to create a system to say, because at the end of the day, if we come back and we we could figure out anything.

We we we're the governing body of the city.

Like I just will feel more comfortable with Lake Charles Police Department.

Yeah, and then Mr.

J just to let you know, Mr.

Harvey.

Currently, we do have Lake Yaw City Police here every day.

Gotcha.

But they're charging us.

I'm just over to thinking just as a system for a long-term plan.

Okay, before you to me, if if we're proving two outsiders and we're about to approve another marshal today, I'd prefer to approve two marshals than uh outside source, because we paying the marshals anyway.

That's another discussion.

And that's I'm just we just asking.

I'm just asking if you we already about to prove a marshal slot, right?

And what do we normally play a marshal?

What they I don't know what they make.

I think the price for the reserve deputy was.

It's more than we'll be paying.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, I should have been a marshal.

Is what we're being charged.

That includes benefits when he says that.

Yeah, benefits.

I'll just say this for clarity.

All of these other things that that go with security, we'll discuss that in the meantime with the administration.

As as your questions come up, we'll bring it while in this two-week period.

Right now we have a motion on the floor for this amendment.

I mean, for this ordinance for the transit building and city hall for six months considering.

All right.

It was bought by Mr.

Billboard, second by Mr.

Young.

Any more questions or comments?

No more questions or comments.

Please vote on the amendment.

Now we're going to 641 against.

Yeah, Mr.

Harris against.

Okay.

Okay.

We have is six one.

Six one.

Now we have a vote on the deferment till for two weeks or two.

You need to make it a motion defer for two weeks.

Got a motion on the floor by Mr.

Weatherford for two weeks.

Second by uh Mr.

Fundale, please vote.

Motion passed.

All right.

We got uh number 12, an ordinance authorizing the settlement of a claim against the city of Lake Charles in the suit style as a mesh versus Union Carby Corporation et al.

Docket number 2024, 4641 Division G on the docket of the 14th Judicial District Court, Parish of Calcashoe, State of Louisiana.

Do I need to read the bottom portion, Mr.

Stutz?

You do not.

Okay.

Any questions or comments?

Please vote.

Seven four.

Number 13, an ordinance amendment section 12, 15-3 of 0.3 of the city of Lake Charles Code of Ordinances relative to permitted uses.

Any I got a question about that if anybody can answer.

What what are we what are we amending here?

I think it's about short-term rentals.

Let me uh out of my brain remember what I'll put on the agenda.

Short-term rentals and zoning all zoning districts except short-term rentals.

Okay.

This requires this takes the short-term rental as a permitted use out of the residential and neighborhood zoning districts.

It now requires short-term rentals to go through a conditional use process prior to them operating.

Okay.

Now would that affect those already in the this would be any any new short-term rental applications going forward?

So how can those that are already when will they ever be affected if they if they discontinue and want to reopen or re-establish, they would have to go through this conditional use zoning process.

I have one question, Mr.

Bigueras.

Yes.

Who's responsible?

The person let's say um I I'm I'm renting the house and I sublase it.

Is the person who's subleasing or is the owner of the house the one who has to come through this?

You you follow what I'm saying?

I'm not an attorney, but I would make the assumption that the owner of the property would have to either they would have to give consent.

Okay, to at least at a minimum to make applic for someone else to make application for the conditional use.

That's with any zoning uh hearing.

Either the owner makes application or they the owner gives consent.

Any other questions or comment?

Mr.

Sweather.

Short-term rental is what less than 30 days.

Any other questions or comments?

Please vote.

74.

The following resolutions may be adopted by consent.

Uh anybody got anyone they want to pull.

We need to pull.

I'm a pull number 14.

We're going to pull 14.

Any any anybody else?

Okay.

We're going with number 14.

A resolution appointed a member to the Southwest of the Zena Convention Envisors Bureau.

Board to fill the expiring term of hiring Zavari.

Mr.

President.

Yes, sir.

Because of my employment with the convention and visitors bureau.

I do need to recuse myself from this vote in this conversation.

Okay, appreciate you, Mr.

Young.

We had three names.

Am I correct?

Let me go to number four.

Three names submitted.

Three names submitted.

Those names are as follows.

We have we got Mr.

Hiram Savary, who's already on the board.

He sent a letter to the uh to the board.

Every board member should have got it.

He couldn't be present, but he seeks to be reappointed.

We have the name.

I know is a second person.

What's the name?

Tiffany Selena.

Tiffany Celestine is one to be considered.

And Nick Zick Xavier.

Xavier.

Mr.

Zaver, Mr.

Zavari, and Miss Celestine are the three uh people that have been submitted.

The way we vote on this, you only vote them present.

Any of them present?

I know Mr.

Zavari is not here because he sent a letter saying he wouldn't.

Miss Celestine.

Mr.

Zavier.

All right.

Going forward, the way we vote on this, you only vote on the person that you select.

Got it?

Everybody got it.

We got six people voting.

Uh Mr.

Young has abstained.

He took himself out of it.

Any questions?

Give a card.

Do we have any cards from anybody?

Oh, yeah, you got passing it up.

Thank you.

Kyle Edmondston.

State your name and address for the record, please.

Good evening, Kyle Edmondson, President and CEO of Visit Lake Charles.

Uh 3817 Placid Lane.

Uh I'll be very brief.

I'm here uh since Mr.

Zavari couldn't be here this evening uh to again express uh what an exemplary board member he's been.

He's been on the board for three years.

In that three-year time period, he's missed one meeting.

He's currently the vice chair of visit Lake Charles, uh, and the board, if he is reappointed, has already elected him vice chair again for next year, uh, which would probably lead him to being the chair in 2027.

Uh he owns multiple properties in town uh and again is uh it has been very exemplary in his service both to the city and uh to the board at Visit Lake Charles, and I highly recommend reappointing him for three more years.

Okay, that's all that's it.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Okay, we got Mr.

Zavari.

If you're in favor of well, any questions or comments before we go to vote?

Just for clarity.

We only get one vote, right?

You get one vote.

You're voting for the person that you vote for, and we'll call out the first name.

All those who are for Mrs.

Avari will vote.

Then we'll go down the list and the ones with the most votes become the opponent.

This is the these names are submitted by the boarding by the um lodging association.

Yes, and uh it's that's where this list comes from, and then we approve the person, yeah.

One person from that list.

That's just point of class.

Yeah, yes, yeah.

Everybody got one that's that's where the names come from.

Any other questions or comments?

Okay, the first name, Hiron Savary.

Please vote.

Two four Tiffany Celestine.

Please vote.

4-4.

Nick Xavier.

Or we don't need to vote anymore.

We got one.

You can call his name.

Get it on the record.

All right.

No vote.

No vote.

You don't need to vote.

The first one.

No, I'm waiting for you to get a results.

There was no vote.

Nobody voted.

Or for the last one.

Because there were only six people here, and four people voted for Miss Celestine.

Your other two people voted for Mr.

No.

I just want you to put on record who got the appointment.

Oh, Miss Celestine.

Okay.

Thank you.

Nobody has anything else they want to pull.

Okay, here we go.

Number 15.

The resolution accepting project number CP 2881, 10 pin alley phase two as substantial compete and authorizing advertising of the 45-day lien period.

Number 16, a resolution setting date for public hearing on consideration of the Lake Charles Planning and Zoning Commission's decision to deny a request for a major conditional use permit in order to establish a runway manufacturing facility in an existing commercial structure with variances to allow one use of a local street versus required location adjacent to and has access to an arterial or collector street and two allowing manufacturing use of a fiberglass product within a thousand feet of a residential land use within a mixed use zoning district at 2925 Industrial Avenue.

Number 17, a resolution authorizing the city of Lake Charles to advertise and to receive sealed bids for project number DR010, new fire training ceiling facility.

Mr.

Bilbo, will you take that?

Yes.

Number 18, a resolution authorizing the city of Lake Charles to advertise and to receive sealed bids for project number L CR401 Lock Park Inclusive Playground.

Mr.

Matt Young, will you take that?

Yes, sir.

Craig, I'm I'm sorry, I missed one of them.

What's it?

I thought we was taking out.

No, uh just to give you clarity on the one you're talking about.

You're talking about 16.

The Avenue Industrial.

Yes.

What it all it is doing is setting a date.

You still got time to pull it out.

Uh Mr.

Bilbo, we have been in discussions with the applicant.

They have not officially withdrawn the application yet.

It is my understanding it is his intent to withdraw the application, but until we get that official notice in writing, it's gonna stay on the agenda.

And just for clarity, who whoever's here for that, this is not a vote to approve or deny.

This is just a pro uh a vote to put it on the agenda.

And another point of clarity resolution setting date for the hearing will be the next meeting.

Right.

17.

Here we'll be and the hearing is gonna be on the original proposal.

Proposal as the what was that zone?

Because if it changes materially, it has to go back to zone.

That's correct.

It has not changed.

We're just voting.

Is this voting to put it on the agenda?

Yes, correct.

Put it on the agenda.

That's it.

Any other decisions?

Any other questions?

Please vote.

7 4.

The following ordinances are for introduction by consent and will be read into the record the day following this meeting at 1 p.m.

in the city hall chambers in city hall.

This meeting is adjourned.