Good morning everyone.

Today is November 19th, 2025.

And I call the Lake County Technology Committee to order at 8 30 a.m.

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Can you join me at the Pledge of Allegiance?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God and indivisible for liberty and justice for all.

Can I get a roll call, please?

Yes.

Member Altenberg?

Here.

Chair Clark.

Here.

Member Dan Ford.

Member Frank.

Member Peterson.

Member Robert here.

All right.

We have a quorum.

Are there any public comments today?

There's no public comment.

All right.

My chair's remarks says I want to thank everyone for coming here today.

I know this is not our usually scheduled meeting with all the holidays and everything.

I really appreciate you coming and appreciate everyone with our uh presenting today.

And I know we've got some very interesting items that we really wanted to get through.

So thank you, everybody, for today.

All right.

We have no unfinished business.

Our new business is the consent agenda, items 8.1 to 8.2.

Can I get a motion in a second, please?

Motion by Robert, second by Altenberg.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion carries.

Our regular agenda is item 8.3, a joint resolution authorizing it, authorizing into a contract with Axon Enterprise Inc., Scottsdale, Arizona, and the total amount of 3,266,815 and 82 cents over five years for all Lake County Sheriff's Office, body worn and interview room cameras.

Can I get a motion a second?

Motion by Robert, second by Altonberg.

Good morning.

Good morning, Jim Chairman, uh business manager for the Sheriff's Office with me today.

I have director, uh Sheriff's IT director Bernard Malkoff.

Um, and I also want to give a shout out to our contract manager Katie Ladies, who is worked on this very hard with us, but she was ill today, so she couldn't uh come in.

And again, always thanks purchasing.

Um this is uh we have multiple um contracts with acts on and they have different deadlines.

And um one of the contracts that is coming up is the jail body worn cameras.

What we wanted to do is see if we could consolidate for efficiencies and uh a cost reduction, and that's why we're here today.

Okay.

Okay.

So I know we're the tech from the technology standpoint.

So these cameras are so this is gonna be all of those, the individual eight individual contracts is now going down to one contract.

Is that correct?

Um, no, I'm sorry.

We have uh separate contracts for body worn cameras, and then we have uh in-car cameras.

We're gonna do that hopefully in 2027.

Um, but or physical year 2027.

This is consolidating four separate contracts into one.

And then we're gonna we're gonna be aligned with uh a date so it's easier to manage more efficient.

We're gonna get all new equipment uh for both corrections and for law enforcement.

Okay, and do you happen to know is the is the equipment current equipment leased?

Like is it going or do we own that equipment?

Is it does it get like auctioned off?

Like the the old equipment, those are the old equipment's turned in, they give us the fresh the fresh equipment and it's technically a five-year payment plan.

Um, so what happens normally, assuming we're coming here for a brand new contract, well, we would say we would like to enter into a contract, all the equipment will be refreshed after 30 months, and then again 30 months later.

But right now, again, we're haphazard.

We're one contract's expiring in June, one's in October, and we're gonna get all fresh equipment, start over, lock in the cost savings, and that's one of the and that's the reason why we you know are here today is because on all three items.

If we don't get approval, there's gonna be a significant price increase for each company for 2026.

And so every 30 months you get new equipment.

Correct.

Oh, so for like uh for 10 years?

Is that how much this contract is?

This is it's a five-year contract, and basically so we get it halfway through the contract and at the end of the contract, and then obviously they want you to sign up for a new contract.

Um, but yeah, so it everything is going to just be it's gonna be a lot more efficient.

And I'm in charge of applying for body worn camera uh grants, and it this will make my life a lot easier as well.

I can see having one case, yeah.

So we're not really owning these.

We just kind of lease them and we just like refresh the equipment every 30 months, like two and a half years.

Correct.

Okay, member Roberts.

Thank you, Chair.

So three million dollars, you just help me understand this is for all of the correction it in in the jail and then on the road, or just the jail?

It's the the jail, it's both.

It's it's it's it's the body worn, not the car cameras.

It's all body worn cameras.

In the sheriff's department will have these.

Okay, that makes it yeah, because I thought this is a lot for just the in the jail.

Yeah, yeah.

How many is it?

Yeah, how many?

How many officers?

How many units?

Uh, I could look real quick, uh, but I don't know if Bernard knows off topic.

Yeah, and if you guys just knew about under the last contract, we had about 700 body cameras.

Uh we had a two to one ratio for the highway patrol deputies.

So um that's why we had so many, but with this new contract, it's gonna be reduced a little bit.

Okay.

The other thing we did too is you know, we looked at our head count and we didn't buy licenses for positions that are open right now to try to save money.

And if those positions are filled later, we can always add those licenses and oh good.

That's good to hear, yeah.

Member Roberts on the audio on those.

Are they is there a button that just you have to turn it on yourself, or does it automatically go on?

Because I know I've looked at videos before and there's no audio, and I'm thinking, oh, is it my computer?

Is it but there's no audio?

So is I'm just curious.

I are is it do you have to turn it on or does it come on automatically on those cameras?

You don't know.

Okay, we know, but he he knows better.

So what you might be referencing is the pre-recording.

So the pre-recording, there's like a 30 second buffer before the deputy actually activates their camera.

There's no audio on that.

But there should be audio automatically.

So once they double tap the button, it's audio and video.

Tap it.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

And then from like a storage, and I don't know, this might be a suburb contract.

Like, do they does this include like the storage of the because I'm I'm sure there's a lot of storage needed to store all these videos.

I can't even imagine how much storage you need with all these videos.

Is this we get unlimited storage?

It's in the cloud.

Um it's backed up, redundant in multiple data centers.

And they also give us a la carte storage too.

So anything we upload through any of the axon technology is included in the unlimited storage.

But nowadays we have a lot of digital evidence as well from different types of you know, cyber cases and you know, all the different types of cases that uh the sheriff's office works.

So they give us eight terabytes of a la carte storage.

So if we upload those, uh that storage outside of the axon app, that goes against all the hard storage.

And that's like, and is all that storage included in this contract?

That's really okay.

That makes it percent, right?

So yeah, yeah, unlimited storage for anything axon and then eight terabytes of a la car storage for the avocado storage.

Okay, that makes and how long do they keep the storage?

It's up to us.

So we set the retention periods.

I mean, there's it's all you know, uh state statute.

We have to keep um at least 90 days worth of video, but then we have different classification tags for you know different types of incidents, and you know, some are kept forever, you know, depending on what it is.

Wow, and that would be all kept stored by them.

Yeah.

Well, that's great for us because that's a lot of storage.

Okay, the storage part makes okay.

I can see why this has got a lot more.

And I'm sure they're in charge of cybersecurity and making sure all the files stay safe and everything.

Yep.

And then we have all the proper certifications.

Great.

Oh, this is very interesting.

All right, are there any other questions?

You guys are like, No, all right, all in favor.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion carries.

All right, item 8.4 is a joint resolution authorizing a contract with Motorola Solutions Inc., Chicago, Illinois, for the purchase of 176 APX 8,000 or 88,500 mobile radios and accessories for the Lake County Sheriff's Office in the amount of 1,829,365 and 45 cents.

Can I get a motion and a second?

Motion by Altenberg, second by Dan Forth.

Uh yes, on this, we are replacing 176 cameras.

Uh, there's 150 radios.

Sorry.

Sorry.

You know what?

Yesterday was a long meeting.

So uh you remember.

I said it first though.

Um radios, uh 150 VHF radios, um, which are basically decades ago technology.

Um, and uh the we do have some of the SARCOM radios that are approaching 10 years old, and this is just uh refreshing and uh putting in more modern equipment.

And so they're and are they just automatically replaced every 10 years?

I could see because like technology changes.

Is that is that why we're like do they have like problems with them, or is it just like uh every 10 years we just buy new ones or like God, Jim said VHF is an older radio technology.

Um it's there's only a handful of departments in Lake County that still use it.

So that's why we wanted to switch from VHF to StarCom.

The new radio is a dual band radio, so it'll be StarCom and VHF, so we can still hear the the legacy frequencies, but this is more of a redundancy thing as well.

I mean, a lot of times um deputies that are listening to certain channels or scanning on their portable radio, and there's critical incidents going on, and they can you know hear multiple things at the same time.

Well, scanning is a good option, you do miss radio traffic, so they can potentially have you know one channel on on their portable, another channel on in their mobile also.

Okay.

There's maybe five fire departments or less still on VHF in Lake County.

Um, but then the redundancy aspect of it as well and operational awareness for critical incidents to be able to listen to multiple things at the same time.

Wow, that sounds yeah, that no, that makes a lot of sense.

Member Dan Forth.

Yeah.

What is it?

Satellite is that basically what it's usually communicate or encrypted messaging through they're all encrypted, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

I mean, it used to be you know, you just get on a scanner and listen to police traffic.

Very difficult to do that anymore because everything's all encrypted and you just can't access that.

I take it that's what this is, right?

Yeah, all the traffic's encrypted.

And this will then I think what you said allow you to seamlessly go between different uh governmental agencies in order to talk to each other without having to do it the old way, which sometimes you just couldn't do.

So um, but my question is I'm reading the is this a lease or a purchase?

Because you use the word lease in here, but you also use the word purchase.

So are these units going to be replaced?

It says uh that this is uh a lease agreement, municipal lease program.

So yeah, thank you for bringing that up.

So Motorola for money money for its existence was cash and carry.

So Mr.

Malkoff um found the village or um city of City of Aurora in a different vendor.

They were doing a municipal lease.

And what we did uh well, what he did was go to the Motorola and say, would you be willing to uh look at this municipal lease so we could basically have our payments broken up over five years?

The the lease is lease to own, so we'll own the equipment after five years, and then we expect another five years of um like you know, working with no cost.

So yeah, when I wrote the resolution, I was a little confused because this is the first time.

Well, it's not the first, it's one of the first time Motorola is actually allowing a municipal or county government to not pay all up front.

It's broken up over time and it's zero percent interest.

So it's a lease to own, so we will own the equipment after five years, but this kind of allows us to spread those payments out interest-free.

Correct.

Okay, thank you.

Member Roberts.

I have a two questions.

So does that mean the lifespan of this is of these radios are more than 10 years?

We we well, when we when we do our budget, we always put in there, we maintain a replacement list and we always put in the expected life expectancy.

So finance and the sheriff's office could say, hey, you know, in 2032, we have a lot of stuff coming up.

Um we're estimating 10 years.

Um it might last longer.

Um, but I think 10 years is probably industry standard for something like this.

Uh and I have another question.

So you're doing 176.

Is that because that's how many you need to replace?

And I guess I want to know, okay, 170.

So that'll be for the next 10 years.

Then you'll have another cycle that you'll need more.

In 10 years.

In 10 years.

Okay.

Oh, I know what I wanted.

Can I ask more?

Is are they shared amongst the officers?

Because they're only a hundred.

I mean, are they in the car?

Are they on their bodies?

I mean, these are all in the vehicles.

Vehicles, okay.

Yeah, and the the deputies are assigned their own vehicles.

Um, there we have some cars in our fleet that won't have it.

You don't want to have a radio on our undercover SIG uh things like that.

Okay, thank you.

Remember Oldenberg.

Thank you.

So you mentioned earlier, I meant to ask this for the other item too.

That do you get grants for like the radios and the body cameras?

Um we apply for them, and so far we're 100% on that, but in fact, at after this meeting, I have a grant meeting with a let's be uh for the next body worn cameras.

I have not seen anything for radios.

Um I sign up for all the grants, um, distribution and county administration sends me stuff in case I missed it or whatever.

Um, but what we do is we ask for the amount in the budget, and then if the grant is uh fruitful, then we just put it back in the general revenue account.

Great.

So you're saying like these costs that we're approving will be covered by grants?

Not all of it.

Like last month I came in front of the committees uh to accept a camera grant, and it was in the area of sixty thousand dollars.

So basically the the the camera grant is through a let's be, which is an Illinois law enforcement training board, and they set aside so much money, and then all the police agencies apply for it, and then they do a prorated amount.

So what percentage would you say like this might be covered uh of this would be covered by grants?

Uh on the to go back to the axon.

Um so uh I'd say the grant and let me clarify the grant is only um applies for law enforcement body worn cameras for corrections.

There there are no grants.

Oh so it's about 25% of the annual cost of the law enforcement body worn cameras.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Chair Hart.

Thank you.

And I'm gonna leave my camera off because I'm driving.

Um I had heard uh a little bit ago about Starcom.

We're on an older technology.

Did I hear that?

But I know I feel like even when Amy McEwen was here, we did something with Starcom.

So am I missing something?

So the portable radios that the deputies wear um on them on their uniforms, those are STARCOM, but the radios in the cars are still the legacy VHF, and those are the ones we're replacing.

Okay, and the legacy VHF and the STARCOM obviously were able to communicate with each other or whatever, right?

No, the VHF radio in the car can only talk to VHF.

So just so I'm tracking.

So X number of years ago, call it 10.

We uh got deputies StarCom radios to wear on their person.

But we never made the change to put StarCom radios in the car, and so and just help me through this.

They were unable to communicate between each other.

Yeah, I would say 10 years ago there were there was more VHF in the county.

I wasn't here 10 years ago, but in the past 10 years, more and more agencies have switched from VHF to STARCOM.

So I'm sorry, but when we had StorCom radios, when we paid for those STARCOM radios for people to carry, right?

Deputies to use, not in the vehicle.

Yep.

But the vehicles themselves were still VHF.

Right.

So there was no communic there was no communication between those two radio systems.

Correct.

The only um exception would be like Chicago priority, like the ISBRN that was patched um to StarCom.

So there's like you know, one or two offs maybe, but for the most part VHF, can only talk to VHF.

And we and we just to clarify we did have in 2016 when we switched over to StarCom radios, there was 26 Starcom radios in our fleet, and that was for our command uh staff.

Rust were VHF.

That's why the resolution mentions 150 VHF and 26 Starcom.

The StarCom that are currently that were purchased in 26 are being replaced as well because it's the 10-year lifespan.

Sure.

Okay, so just so I understand when you say the 26 in our fleet, you're talking about vehicles, but for all the rest of the vehicles, and there's oh a hundred and whatever you said, 76 or whatever.

Those two we had two different communication systems that were unable to communicate with each other, one in the car and one on the person.

I just want to make sure I'm understanding that.

Correct.

Okay, I'm quite surprised.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

And also, and so for um, since this is the least thing, were the maintenance and all the like if something breaks, will that be then covered by Motorola during the leasing period?

Do you know, or is the maintenance just totally because sometimes when it's leased, um you know they would cover maintenance or if there's a damage to a camera.

Well, they we have a 10-year warranty on them.

Okay, and that covers that.

Yeah.

Okay, good.

Member Roberts.

Should why don't they?

I mean, why don't you have equipment that can communicate to each other from the car to the your body?

I mean, is it necessary?

I'm trying to understand where where that question's coming from.

And I don't want to speak for Chair Hart, but I think what she's saying uh as Bernard explained, he you could have the radio on your shoulder or wherever it is, and you could also monitor other this was when with the VHF, we're not able to listen to other channels like for critical incidents.

There's a lot going on, a lot of moving parts.

Um I wasn't here when it was decided to have 26 radios put in when the StarCom I came in right after StarCon was delivered and being tested and everything else.

So I can't speak to why um we didn't have it through our entire fleet.

But like Mr.

Malkoff said, VHF was still, you know, the prevalent um radio, and it's a lot cheaper.

Um so we Bernard and I've worked on trying to get this in our vehicle for um several years, but it is a very expensive thing.

So um, you know with his work on creating a municipal lease, instead of paying 1.8 million dollars, we're asking for you know, one fifth of that plus, you know, or approximately one fifth of that today.

So I think it's just technology has changed.

Um you know, the ever most organizations have gone to the Starcom uh mobile radios, um, and we're just asking to, you know, join, you know, with everybody else.

Yeah, it's really hopeful.

Any other questions?

All right, all in favor?

Aye, aye, any opposed?

Motion carries.

Item 8.5 is a joint resolution authorizing a contract with Lenev Systems US Inc.

Conroe, Texas, and the amount of 187,531 dollars and eighty-seven cents for a full body digital security screening system.

Can I get a motion in a second, please?

Motion by Roberts, second by Dan Forth.

All right, I've been interested in this since we talked about it at the budget.

All right.

So I just want to make sure it's one thing is clear, and then I'll go over any questions.

Is everybody entering the jail does go through a pat's uh pat down search?

So I just want to make sure that there was some confusion on that.

Everybody goes through a pat down search.

What the other searches, this is not television, we can't do some other searches.

And uh unfortunately things do get in through the jail.

Uh uh people coming into the jail do ingest it, they and there's other ways to hide it.

Um just leave it at that.

Um so we've seen the shows.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, well, still doing the pad down search as well as this.

Correct.

Yes, the pat this is just extra security because we have had people that have come into the jail that we have found out that ingested or inserted um stuff and they have to go to the hospital.

The one thing about this um is they're gonna get padded down and then they're gonna get scanned.

And if there's a scan that shows that they ingested drugs and it's anybody but us that brought them in, we could refuse them.

That police agency will have to take them to the hospital, they'll have to provide security, they'll have to pay the cost.

So that's one of the benefits.

That is a benefit.

So member Dan Ford.

Thank you, Chair.

So this device can be used to uh, you know, without getting pure end here.

I mean, obviously, you know, there's more intrusive types of searches that can and are done.

I don't know what the policy is for the sheriff's department, but this would allow you to, in essence, do those types of searches without having to do those types of searches, correct?

100%, which would be more hygienic and safe and for everybody all the way around.

And and keep us from getting potential liability problems for correct types of search.

And just to be on the record, we cannot do body cavity searches.

And uh even if we send them to the hospital, normally the hospital requires a court order to do those.

So you're talking about if we brought somebody in the jail and then we have two correction officers, you know, on overtime most likely, babysitting, somebody that may have ingested drugs, um, and then the actual hospital cost, and we have to send them out via ambulance, it does add up.

I mean, five five people last year, the jail medical bill for those five people going out because they ingested drugs was almost nine thousand dollars, and that did not include the overtime for the correction officers um providing security.

you know on overtime most likely babysitting somebody that may have ingested drugs um and then the actual hospital cost and we have to send them out via ambulance it does add up i mean five five people last year the jail medical bill for those five people going out because they ingested drugs was almost nine thousand dollars and that did not include the overtime for the correction officers um providing security i yeah i understand about the drug issue but i i'm actually more concerned about weapons coming into right uh the contraband coming into the jail which can be used to hurt officers or other inmates and this can help eliminate that yeah correct thank you member Roberts if there's drugs in the body cavity can you inform the hospital or do they have to they get sent to the hospital get sent to the hospital but do you get to report that or you don't get to report I honestly don't know I don't see why we couldn't hear I just wanted like I mean yeah yeah I I I honestly legally don't know but I mean my assumption and again it's an assumption which is probably bad to do on there um is to say that we have to inform them of whatever medical condition prior to going to the hospital.

Okay thanks I think this is great.

This is yeah it's on the so this kind of scan just so is it like the airport like do you stand in a thing is it a handheld thing like what what is this thing look like it's an actual machine and this company that we're buying is actually ADA compliant so it does have the wheelchair ramp and it's in if you're 611 and an under you would fit in it but basically it's a enclosed area that does the scan and the images are put up right there um to the computer that it's hooked up to um so um it it it actually is enclosed it's you lie down in it no you sit okay so you say member Roberts yeah and and is there um we're purchasing this correct not leasing and is there a maintenance it's included in the price for five years five years and it will last up to 10 years but most people replace it after five because of technology changes.

Okay Chair Hart Thank you um are people able to uh refuse to be scanned um I don't know the answer to that all right I guess we'll find that out well I guess I just want to understand right so there's a lot of you know you go through TSA and you're like yeah I'm not gonna go through that but I'll go through this or whatever and I I guess I thought it was more like a wand right like a wanding thing but now it's like you're going into this thing and your body is being scanned I'm just wondering if if somebody's allowed to refuse that so I I would just ask if we could find the answer to that please yeah I I'd be pretty sorry.

Member Dan Forth did you have a I think you had your hand up first.

Yeah thank you chair I I I mean it's are you going to get into a fight and and force somebody to do this I mean could I mean it might be a situation where better safe than sorry that maybe you get a judge to order it but normally law enforcement does have the right to think I mean you don't have a right to refuse a blood sample there's things that you just don't have a right to do it could it's not because you're not self-incriminating because it's not your verbal it's just it's in your body so I think we'd have a right to do the body scan it's a good question I think though that Chair Hart brings up I think I I but I think we'd be safe with that but but I don't think you can see officers getting in a fight to do that.

You know there'll be other ways to seclude that type of inmate that refuses.

So yeah it would be interesting I'm sure we'll find out from the state's attorney because I feel like it's it's a health and safety issue for people other inmates so you know and if you can do a pat down search it'd be interesting to see well I do know that we're one of the last um county facilities to get a scanner pretty much everybody except for the very small counties uh have this I mean surrounding us I've actually gone in on a separate field trip up to Kenosha for a jail medical thing we actually added the body scanner watching it and stuff like that but there's policies and procedures that are drafted I know Chief Klaus who couldn't make it today has been working on policies for this uh before we um actually draft but I I that's you know I come up here trying to have every question answered and there's always one that I don't know the answer to we're very creative.

Member Altenberg now I was gonna say I'd be shocked to hear that they let you in if there's a scanner and that's the policy you have to go through the scanner they would just say you can't go in.

I mean that's pretty standard in a lot of places I I would be really surprised in the jail if you're telling them you don't want to be scanned there's obviously a reason and um you know I'd I'd be shocked if they would say okay yeah just go in or maybe if I may just yeah if I if I might just do a follow-up please um it's just I feel like the state of Illinois has some certain rules and I don't know enough about them biometric or whatever but it sounds like you know we're one of the last counties in the state to do this.

Um, it's just I feel like the state of Illinois has some certain rules, and I don't know enough about them, biometric or whatever, but it sounds like you know, we're one of the last counties in the state to do this.

So I guess uh I think that kind of answers the questions.

We would have heard that it was an issue somewhere else.

So thank you very much.

You think I'll uh ask Chief Klaus to clarify and I'll I'll um give the information to Mr.

Myers.

Terrific.

Member Roberts.

I'm actually curious to know if there's a statute about that because I know that I'm not a lawyer.

I'm just play one on TV.

Um that I mean, if you get a DOI, you don't have to take the field sobriety test.

You can refuse it.

This might be something.

I don't I'd like to know if if they can refuse it, and we don't get sued if we force them to or not force them, but tell them they have to hire unless we are required to do it.

I would like to just know if it's if again I'll follow again.

I'm sorry, I'll follow up and let Mr.

Myers know.

Remember Aldenberg.

So what's the policy then?

Like if I'm coming to the county building and I tell the sheriff's department I don't want to go through the metal detector, are they gonna let me in?

No, but I mean I I do think it's a little different though, because you'd be arrested.

So, like if you're like oh I can't stand me and go free is a lot different than like all right.

I see what you're saying.

We have a best interest in them coming in at the jail.

It'll reduce the daily population though.

So what everyone, thank you.

Is it only the people who are arrested who are going through that, or is it uh is it the visitors?

That's a good question.

No, the visitors are not.

Oh, so this I didn't understand that.

Okay, so this is just the people that are this is going to be located in our Sally port.

So when people are brought into the jail before they enter the secure facility, they will be scanned.

I didn't understand it was just those people.

Okay.

And it's uh and any board members that come too.

So yeah, love the experience.

And so somehow it sees it sees uh metal and drugs, like it seems like it scans a lot of things.

Yeah, there's so the we uh uh on the on the sheet that's attached, it shows we're buying the drug guard, but there's other things too.

If somebody, if there's an inmate that's in the jail for say five days, and then says, Hey, I swallowed something, we could bring them down to the scanner to see if they actually did swallow that instead of sending them to the hospital and incurring those costs.

Yeah, that's a good it's kind of amazing.

This technology seems a lot more advanced than I I thought existed.

Yeah, well, I I was just giving an example.

So I'm but I'm what so like for example, Mr.

Malkoff, who's a frequent flyer in our jail.

Um if he says that he you know swallowed um a a piece of metal, um, then instead of sending them out to the hospital, then we would basically bring them him down to the um scanner and see if there's anything in them instead of sending them out and having the hospital do it.

This seems super useful.

Member Robert's questions.

So if I said, okay, I I just swallowed a handful of pills 30 minutes ago.

I mean, well, I guess I don't know how long it takes to dissolve, but it can see all of that in in your system.

That I don't know because it's gonna start breaking down.

This is for stuff just metal things what would uh what what we've seen in the jail is people in you know using a balloon or a condom or something like that to hold on to the you know they swallowed the drugs.

If it's not gonna be able to show what was for lunch.

Um stuff like that, but it's will show metal if they put something in a balloon or yeah, yeah.

There it and it's specifically um the software specific to identified um contraband.

I know I didn't realize it could see.

I mean, like I know I know it can, but like to see like balloons with stuff like because that's not like in my mind, it's always like metal or something's gonna show up, but to see that it can scan for those kind of things is really interesting.

Seems like it'll be interesting.

I would love to have after you get this like a report in a year to see you know what you found, how you know how many people like if you want to test drive it, you know, come on down.

But it'd be really interesting to see like how much safer everything is, right?

How much safer, how many people were like even lives being saved, you know, by you know, ingesting things they should people shouldn't or whatever.

So I think it'll be really interesting.

It seems like a very um useful tool for the jail for sure.

Any other questions?

Thank you for answering questions.

All right, all in favor.

I any opposed motion carry.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for look answering all the questions.

Uh yes, we appreciate it.

Our committee likes to ask questions.

All right, item 8.6 is a joint resolution authorizing a contract with Motorola Solutions Inc.

Item 8.6 is a joint resolution authorizing a contract with Motorola Solutions Inc., Chicago, Illinois, for the purchase of 183 APX N77-800 model, 4.5 and 58 Apex Next, all band model 4.5 portable radios and accessories for the Lake County Emergency Management Agency under the county administrator's office in the amount of 2,268,642.48 cents.

Can I get a motion in a second, please?

Motion by Altonberg, second by Dan Forth.

Good morning.

Good morning.

I'm Rebecca Kumar, Assistant Manager for Emergency Management.

And I'm Brian Nicholson, mergence management specialist.

So I just wanted to provide a quick history.

Um to not repeat what my partners at the sheriff's office said.

Uh, we have moved to the STARCOM 21 network in 2016.

And with that increase in technology, there's been no significant updates of radio equipment since then.

So with staff number increase and little increase in radio equipment, we're asking for this, the funding for this purchase.

So it Motorola has also provided an end of support date from 2021.

So we can send radios out for repair, but they're not repairing them anymore.

So they're not using the parts or with the old technology, they're not repairing the radios for use.

So it's not, excuse me.

The last radio that was sent out for repair was November of 2023.

And it's used parts or aftermarket equipment, which is not optimal for folks that are using that or doing field work or for safety.

Right.

Okay.

So we had mentioned that uh there's 241 radios that are being purchased.

Out of those, there's 58 of the APX next, which is similar to this radio I have here in front of us.

Um we're looking at purchasing with those a tri band.

So it's gonna be a StarCom network, it's gonna be the UHF network and the VHF.

So it's similar to the sheriff's department.

We add one more radio frequency capability to that.

Just because we do work with, we're not just we're only working with law enforcement, we're working with fire departments, we're working with public works departments, we're working with the volunteer groups in the state or the county that have different types of frequencies that they talk on.

The other 183 radios we're looking at is called the APX N70.

It's the little brother or little sister of the APX next radio.

It's just a little bit smaller, but only does that single band, which is just the StarCom network.

And that's going to be provided for most of our agencies within the county.

Our DOTs, public works, and whatnot.

Okay.

So they're so are they they basically the same radios as are being used in the law with law enforcement?

Or I mean, like, do they see the same bands?

I honestly same band, yes.

Same band.

So yeah, the StarCom network, we could we'll be able to, I could right now talk to sheriff's department on here if I wanted to.

You can.

Okay.

So they can we have that interoperability to talk with everybody.

Okay.

That's good.

And I saw on the so it says you're purchasing 183, but then there's 39 extra.

Is that what this is?

Because of uh staff growth.

So is it more than 183?

It's 183 of the N70s.

Okay.

And then it's 58 of the next, which gives you 241 total.

Oh, it's two different styles of radio.

And the next oh, I see.

Yeah.

So it's I don't know my radio styles.

I just think that was all one various yes.

I'm like, this is a long name for a radio.

Yeah, and it's yeah, it's the full, the full name that Motorola gives it.

I see.

And then so it's two different radios you're buying.

Okay, that makes sense.

And this is the same kind of contract as it was for the other word, where it's like the five-year lease to own kind of, yes.

Okay.

Member Danforth.

I think the programming, the monitoring, the networking is all part of that cost, right?

Programming is done internally by myself.

Okay.

But how much is an individual radio cost?

I mean, is there a break?

We did the breakdown of that.

It's obviously the radio is not going to work unless you're on the network, right?

Correct, yes.

So for the radio itself, the sale price is $6,437.

That is for the the uh N70.

So like the little brother.

There are some other additional fees that they add on for uh some of the security options.

Um, where was it?

Is it about the size of that unit you have there?

Correct.

Yeah, the N70 is maybe a quarter inch smaller.

And the only difference on it is with the next radio, it's a full touch screen display.

No, um, where the N70 has six buttons on the bottom.

So the program bowl, we could say, I want this to be my home button.

I want this to be something else.

That's six thousand dollars.

This one here, the N70 goes up a little bit.

What's the range on it?

I could talk to Springfield.

Oh, I could talk to a drop based system, right?

Correct.

Yes.

Yeah.

With that system, I could talk to anybody in the state that is on the StarCom network through the with the StarCom system.

Correct.

Yes.

They could be anywhere, right?

Anywhere, yeah.

And just to add, the price for the N70 is 5,365.

And if I could just add the reason that we're looking at two different versions, is because we scoped out this project over quite a bit of time.

Um, could usually for that and some of our internal partners and working with our departments that are aside from the sheriff's office, we really wanted to look at their needs.

So what is the needs?

What are they using it for?

What's the most that they communicate with municipalities or for interoperability when we're doing training, drilling exercises and operations, large scale operations, multi-jurisdictional operations, um, for most situational awareness and to be able to communicate as member Danforth had pointed out.

So with that, that's why we found the best option for the two radios that best suit our needs and are most cost effective.

So it's like looking at these two things.

You know, most folks will use the next radio.

Um, but the needs for the N70 also match, and it's not overcomplicating or giving them something that they don't necessarily need to use on a daily basis.

And for us being in a support role, or as I had just explained with drilling and testing, um, with interoperability and some of the key assets that we can provide as a critical cash for um a critical resource, excuse me, for an asset to be deployable in an emergency, as we saw in our Highland Park incident.

Uh, that's a support role that's needed for field operation.

So that allows everybody to be on the same channel to talk to everyone to communicate and effectively collaborate together.

Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

And I'm glad that you looked at the different uses too.

So I can see how it like one size didn't necessarily fit all.

So I'm glad it was like correct.

And while doing that, we found that some departments they still have microphones that are brand new in the box from 2016.

Yeah.

We don't use them.

That makes no, that makes sense I'm glad you did that kind of inventory and talking about it.

I think we probably eliminated three quarters of the microphones.

Wow, that is thank you for doing that.

A couple hundred dollars a piece.

Member Roberts.

So I have when you when you brought that out and said six thousand dollars, my mind is like, does that include insurance and replacement?

Yeah.

So with these radios, we talked with Motorola and we we asked them, I said, what kind of warranty you guys offer?

And they offered this the standard five year.

I said, can you guys do any better?

Because what we when we did all this process, it was hey, here's what we want.

We want to do better if we want to do better.

They said, Well, we give you a seven year warranty.

So with with this purchase, we have a seven year warranty on all the radios that we have uh that we're gonna be purchasing.

So we yeah, yeah.

If anything happens with it, we could call them up and say, I have a broken radio, it's coming in for repair.

That helps with the cost and having that.

Member Dan for it.

Um thank you, Chair.

I'm gonna revert back if I can.

I know it's a little out of order, but uh seeing that Jim is still here, the sheriff's department.

Um if you've got units, you know, we're looking to replace mobile units, which we voted on, and and everything else.

If that unit can reach Springfield or any other agency and it's a portable unit, is there a reason why we also have units in a vehicle itself?

I know there probably is, you know, advantages and disadvantages, but if they do the same thing, is it like real redundancy to have two 156 units in a car, but every officer's got a unit, it can do the same thing it would seem in theory, if that thing can reach any agency or any federal agency anywhere in the world, basically.

Why do I need to have one in the car as well?

I I don't know.

I'm just it is an interesting question.

I didn't thought about that, but yeah, like do you need both?

Yes.

Brandon's coming up.

All right, now we're gonna we are gonna find out.

Designated me.

So I think I had mentioned before, you know, while you can scan on the portable radio, when you're scanning, you do miss radio traffic.

So one of the keys for us, besides redundancy is you know, operational awareness.

So I'm gonna use our canines, for example.

They go all over the county, assist, you know, every agency in Lake County and also Cook County too.

They can also they can hear on that on their portable one frequency while listening to different frequencies on their portal on their mobile.

So it's basically redundancy.

If something happens to their portable, now they have a mobile.

The old mobile we had VHF is on useful anymore.

And now we have better operational efficiency going to calls like critical incidents.

I think Rebecca mentioned Hallum Park, you know, they're probably using what 10 radio channels on that incident, maybe more.

So now we can, you know, listen to things on our portables, listen to different traffic on our mobiles and have better, you know, awareness going to different scenes.

I see.

So you could have like a whole incident on one.

Yeah, go ahead, man.

But if I could follow up, I mean, I have radios and they're not six thousand dollar radios, they're not cheap radios, but they're monitoring many different channels at the time.

And when something comes through, whether I'm programmed to that or not, I can program several different channels so that if there's any transmission coming through on that channel, I'm gonna hear it and I can respond to that.

And so I'm saying, and if I'm in a car driving and I've got portable and then I got a radio, um, I mean, I can't monitor what's going on in the radio in the car if I'm not in the car, right?

If I'm out chasing down a bad guy or whatever I'm doing, right?

I mean, I'm just wondering is help me to understand the real necessity other than redundancy.

Why we would do that.

So what you said is like 95% true when you're scanning, you do hear other traffic, but for us, like HP one's always going to be a priority.

So when anyone keys up on HP one, the radio beeps and you know that's your primary channel.

Now, anything else is going on, and all the other, you know, 50 channels we're scanning, we're not going to hear that because we're hearing HP one that always takes priority over everything else.

So, like I said before, scanning is great, but you're not going to hear everything.

You're always going to miss traffic because your primary is always gonna key up over anything else that you're scanning.

Okay.

Well, I mean, I and I didn't want I'm not looking to beat a dead horse.

I think there's something this will go through finance.

This will probably be rediscussed.

Um, but again, I'm just curious.

I think these are questions we're spending lots and lots of money.

And um, I'm not saying it's not necessary, I just want to understand it.

Thank you.

Member Altenburg.

Oh, and then I was gonna say Bernard.

Don't run away yet.

She left when I had the chance.

What we're doing, we're emulating what everybody else is doing.

Everybody else has the same type of equipment that we're purchasing today.

So we're not doing anything out of the ordinary.

This is like the standard practice of all the different sheriff's offices, police departments.

They all do it this way.

Yeah.

I mean, if you look at some fire agencies, they have maybe two radios, maybe even three radios on their fire equipment and their engines or ambulances.

So I mean, that's one of the reasons why they do that is you know, they're listening to yellow fire ground on one and red fire ground on the other.

You know, they're they're listening to multiple things at once.

They don't want to miss any radio traffic.

Our boats, for example, our boats have multiple radios for the same thing.

We may be listening to the Coast Guard on one channel, and then we're listening to HP one or listen to a fire department on other channel, and in a critical incident, you don't want to miss any radio traffic over out on the lake searching for somebody.

You have to hear, you know, everything at the same time.

Okay.

All right.

Is that maybe in the future?

I wonder if they could make radios that like one radio could do both things.

Like the fact that it doesn't have to be like two units, because I can see the, you know, because if it could reach everything, but apparently the design is not there now.

I can hear the scanning is what you know, you're always gonna get your priority.

So for us, it's always gonna be HP one takes precedent over everything else, and you'll miss all the other radio traffic that's going on.

Right.

But even if it's not HP one, you know, let's say we're we're listening to one of the Lake Comm channels, um, and there's something else going on, you know, there's always gonna be a miss.

There's always gonna be a disconnect.

You you can't hear everything when you're scanning.

Right.

Well, that's what's up, but maybe instead of having just literally two pieces of equipment that could have the same, like it could do two things.

It can't doesn't work that way.

All right, good to know.

Member Roberts.

All right.

Thank you for coming back.

All right, thank you.

All right, any other questions?

All right, well, well, maybe future technology will fix this issue, and then we only have to have one because it does seem kind of almost old school now to have a car thing when you can have it with you.

All right, all in favor.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion carries.

Thank you.

All right.

A director's report.

We've got one form CIO blending.

Good morning.

I do not have a director's report planned this morning.

All right.

Then uh we have do we have a county ministry's report this morning.

The only thing I was gonna note, um uh there was a virtual attendance of a member of this committee, and one of the changes to our rules states the reason.

Uh-huh.

And I think we just say for a qualified reason.

We're gonna revise those scripts, but um, the qualifying reason was for work-related reasons.

Remember, Frank, I just want to make sure I noted that.

Oh, thank you.

I should have noted that.

I'm sorry.

All right.

Is um there's no executive session.

Any member remarks?

Yes, member Robert.

You're welcome.

And I want to say thank you for all the good questions and our yes, and happy Thanksgiving.

And I know we do not meet again, it's TBD.

So it might be a while.

I know.

So thank you all again for coming today.

These were really important contracts.

We needed to get done.

Well, I will state that the the challenge with some of the meetings, um, especially around the uh Christmas holiday, I think was a reason for why the next meeting was canceled.

But if there are uh an is there if there is a need to have a uh a meeting uh in preparation for the January board meeting, I I we will probably be reaching out trying to find another time.

So something like you all for being flexible.

I appreciate it.

Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone.

Thank you.

I declare this meeting adjourned.