Good afternoon.

We will go ahead and call this special historic preservation commission meeting to order and start with roll call.

Thank you.

Chair Laramie?

Here.

Vice Chair Levine.

Commissioner Stodle.

Present.

Commissioner Hotchkiss.

Excused.

Commissioner Serfus.

Excused.

Commissioner Cosgrove?

Here.

Commissioner Palacios.

Here.

Commissioner Moody.

Here by phone.

Commissioner Perdue.

Here.

Commissioner Grimmer.

Here.

Commissioner Harper.

Commissioner Cebrant?

Here.

Commissioner Gillespie?

Here.

Thank you.

We do have a quorum.

Great.

Our second item is an announcement regarding compliance with open meeting law.

Are we in compliance?

Yes, we are in compliance.

Okay.

Third item is public comment.

Comment during this portion of the agenda must be limited to matters on the agenda for action.

If you wish to be heard, please come forward and give your name for the record.

The amount of discussion as well as the amount of time any single speaker is allowed may be limited.

Do we have any members of the public coming forward at this time?

Jack, what about item joined?

Seeing none, we will move on to item number four.

Um for possible action to approve the final minutes by reference of the regular meeting of March 25th, 2026.

Do we have any um comments on the meeting minutes?

Motion to approve as written.

Great.

We have a motion to approve.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

Commissioner Levine.

Yes.

Thank you.

Um not hearing any opposed, that item um is approved with the chair also voting in favor.

Item number five, two six-0138-hpc one.

This is an abeyance item, a report by Jay Dapper, principal of Dapper Companies regarding the status of the Hundredge Theater located at 1208 East Charleston Boulevard.

Sieber for the record, uh he did confirm his attendance.

I just sent him a text.

Um can we trail this item until he arrives?

Yes.

Um do we need a motion for that or okay.

So we will go ahead and move that item in hopes that Mr.

Dapper will join us soon.

We'll move on to item six, two six dash zero one eight five-hpc one.

A report by staff from the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement, the also known as the Mob Museum, um, located at 300 Stewart Avenue regarding an update of the unc upcoming expansion project.

Statement for the record, once again, they did confirm their attendance.

I do not see them here.

Can we trail this item as well?

Yes, we can.

We will also trail item six.

Um and so skipping ahead to item seven, two six dash one, sorry, two six dash zero one eight six HPC one, a report by the community development department regarding the information signs at Floyd Lamb Park at Thule Springs, located at 9200 Thule Springs Road.

Thank you, Seabrant for the record.

So this is an item that we have spoken about several times, and just want to give you an update of where we are with this.

So, as you know, we did get the finished um updated report on the the property over at Thule Springs, and part of the recommendations of that report was to replace the signs.

Um, they have been in pretty bad condition for a while, um, just showing you some images of how they currently look.

Um, the signs that we would take responsibility for are the history signs using the updated report to ensure that the information uh is accurate.

So this the on the screens you see one of the signs that is is quite faded from the sun, and we are looking at um reprinting them with a UV filter so that hopefully they will last longer um than they initially did when they were first installed.

Um this is just another example of the signs.

They do come in different sizes.

Some of them are quite large, some of them are smaller.

I don't have the exact dimensions off the top of my head right now.

Um, I may have them somewhere in here.

Um, and then working with Parks and Rec, they would be responsible for like these types of wayfinding signs, and we would be responsible for the um information signs.

And right now I'm getting a few different quotes.

I don't really want to put anything out there right now because I don't have a firm quote on how much these will cost.

Um, but I'm working with uh parks and rec in cultural affairs on getting prices for these signs, and once we do have those prices, then um depending on the cost, we will either come back to this commission or to the centennial commission uh for potential funding.

So happy to answer questions if anybody has any.

Please um the question uh is uh maybe threefold in the sense of the the HPC is responsible for the accuracy of of the the content.

So uh is that a formal process that we're going to check uh the existing signs uh the 32 signs that make sure that I thought there were a couple of them that were inaccurate would be uh uh maybe not the proper uh the proper appraise, but they well, they weren't correct.

Are we gonna check all 32 signs or just the ones that have been damaged?

I'm gonna be I'll check in those with the report that we received.

Because the information from these signs has been taken from past reports, and then we had CATS Environmental do the report that this commission looked at through several drafts, two drafts in the final, and then we'll be using that information to all use that information to cross-reference to ensure that the information and the history on these is accurate.

When do these signs go up?

You know, I don't know.

I'm want to say 2010, maybe.

I honestly really don't know.

Um the I believe it was a centennial commission grant in the early years of the commission, that commission.

Do we know how many need to be replaced because of condition?

Well, all of them will need to be replaced.

There are because the sun has just beat them up.

They they all look like this.

Some of them that are were facing the sun are just completely you can't read it all, but the other ones that are flipped the other way are are brand new.

Well, because some of them are inaccurate, and plus the city seal is an old city seal on those signs, so we want to update the city seal.

If there's one that looks in pristine condition, we can keep it.

Okay, so I guess the our role is is to make sure that the history and and uh is is correct and the signs are are correct.

Well, this HPC is not responsible for funding it.

Why why would the HBC and the city not be responsible for funding this?

Well, because the Centennial Commission funded the first go round, and the keeping in mind that all the money that goes to the Centennial Commission is actually city money that is used for projects, and that you know the commission was that commission was formed in order to help move along historic projects.

So essentially the city is paying for them just with different funding sources.

And if the Centennial Commission said it's not going to fund it.

Um Director Floyd.

So Seth Floyd for the record, if if if we went to Centennial Commission for a funding for a project that they chose not to fund, but it was on a city property like this one, uh, we would have to find it in our capital budget uh elsewhere to fund it or f or find another independent uh funding source.

Uh the the reason I'm I have some question about it, I'm not doing a very good job of uh of asking is we just finished a tremendous report on the history of Thule Springs and the park.

And out of that, there may be some fresh information that we either need additional signs or some of the signs that we have just don't reflect uh that important of a structure or or a site.

So I was gonna suggest is we just have and I mean this very sincerely, I know your workload.

You've got a tremendous amount, and you don't have 20 people on your team, but to have to go out and hire somebody to look at each one of these signs as they currently stand, check the information to make sure it's uh correct.

Two, are there other places on that that this new report that we funded and was produced?

Are there's additional historic elements that would be uh beneficial for the public to see additional signs, and or are there signs that well that's an old building, but it's not historic.

Um I would suggest we do we check the signs, see what opportunities that that that we have.

Um, and and then make a report to the centennial commission that that's up to date along with whatever the the new costs are, including changing the signs so it's got the new city seal.

So those are my comments.

Thank you.

And um just to understand this item.

This is a report, so I don't believe we can take any action today, correct?

Correct.

Step on for the record.

This this was just an update.

Okay, no vote.

Okay.

Um I believe um Commissioner Gillespie has a question.

Sure.

Hollow Scillespie for the record.

Um, this may already be part of your process in doing new signs and so forth, but I know in the museum world we're uh much more mandated instruction to make sure that the text and and colors and font and font style and size are ADA accessible for low vision people.

So it might be something that your your graphics team would have better knowledge of the particulars.

Thank you.

I'll add that to the list.

Are there any other questions or comments from the commission?

This is Commissioner Moody.

Just a quick comment.

I want to say thanks.

This is long overdue.

Um I could be wrong about this, but I believe there are a few new signs at the park.

Um but I'm anxious to see the others update it.

Thanks.

Great, thank you, Commissioner Moody.

Um, I do have a quick question, Diane, in the backup, you provided us a list of the signs.

Is this list of signs?

Is this are these all the informational signs, or does this combine some of the wayfinding with the informational signs that you are discussing?

It's a combination of them.

A combination of them.

So we'll like I said, once we get closer to actually doing this, whether we hire a consultant to do it or not, um, we'll make sure that we have accurate again.

This is just an update to let everybody know we're working on it.

Okay.

And if we wanted to bring forward a proposal to potentially hire a consultant, do we need to um request that during the agenda future agenda items, or is this discussion enough to bring this back as we further move through the process?

I believe it would need to be future agenda item, unless council has a different answer than that.

Uh chairman, this is Jim Lewis, City Training's office.

Um I'm I'm sure that the historic preservation officers heard what folks have said on the commission, but if you'd like to have a for a future discussion about that in particular, I would agenda I would ask during the agenda item for future discussion items and have that discussion uh during a properly agendized item.

Okay, thank you.

I think we are ready to move on, and I see we have some of our early um earlier items um ready to report on.

So we will return to item number five, which is 26-0138 HPC one.

This is again an abeyance item, a report by Jay Dapper, principal of Dapper Companies regarding the status of the Huntridge Theater located at 1208 East Charleston Boulevard.

Hi, Chair.

How are you?

Welcome.

Thank you very much.

Uh I am here to give a report on uh progress we've made on the Huntridge.

And I know that the commission has been provided the report.

I don't know when you saw when you first got it, but I'm gonna run through it and then also I've got another item that I don't know if you've been provided, but it's a uh proposal for a study that we'll go over.

And uh I guess I'll just start at the beginning.

So um I've been in discussion with the city um to put together a public-private partnership where I would uh sell the Huntridge Theater to uh uh 501c3 nonprofit um that would ultimately run and operate the Hunt Ridge long term.

Um and the purpose for this, and it's part of the proposal is in order for I think community theater and different groups in the arts community to be able to utilize a space.

Um it truly has to be uh type of structure that works for nonprofits.

Um previously I was working on developing this site under uh a renovation and then uh something that looked more like a traditional lease with a group that we were working with called the Soho Playhouse.

But you know, after a lot of time and consideration and realizing that some of these uh groups that are out there, well, most of the groups that are out there are all nonprofits and they operate as such.

Their pricing structures and the revenues that they generate are all uh you know under a nonprofit structure.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a for-profit development that then can you know have the type of rent structure that works for those groups and organizations.

So we put together a proposal and we're in talks with the city now.

Um in addition to that, there is a study that we're working on commissioning with uh Maggie Plaster in Cultural Affairs, and that study will uh better define the need both for kind of a non-profit uh theater space for all of these art organizations, and then it will also help um lay out the structure in a better way and so that we can understand all the pieces and parts and how this will work.

And so what I'll do is I'll start to go through the presentation and then at the end, if any of you have any questions, I'd be just a quick question.

We didn't receive any reports.

Statement for the record, it was only submitted at 5 p.m.

last night, so it's not included in your backup because it wasn't submitted in time.

So is it is it on there now or you know?

No, it's not in the backup because I brought copies so that's the copies.

Can I just be great, thank you?

See if I have enough okay.

So here.

So I'll give you all of those.

This one as well.

Just yeah, it's the same that's on the screen, but you know, at least you guys have a paper copy.

I I believe that there may be enough for everybody, possibly.

You guys can also see the screen too, right?

Okay.

So the f the first page is just uh some history of the Huntridge, which I think you've all seen before, so there's no reason for me to really go through that in great detail.

Um second page, which is the opportunity, it's basically just talking about things that you guys have all heard of in the past, which is you know, what's the purpose of this and why are we doing this?

Um I know that the HPC's mission is to protect buildings and make sure that you know older buildings that are here in Las Vegas are preserved, which I share that uh that want and that need very much.

Um I recently have completed the mission linen building, which I've brought before you guys in the past.

Um we're just completing all the core and shell improvements, and the evil can evil museum is in the process of moving into that building.

And I invite all of you to come potentially take a look at it.

Um, you know, it's known as the mission linen.

It's a 32,000 square foot building in the arts district, and in addition to the Evil Canible Museum, we've got a lot of other great food and beverage components to that project coming in, and then they're all under construction.

Um pivoting back to the Huntridge.

So in addition to renovation of the theater, I think that a big part of this is you know, why are we doing this?

And as I said in my earlier statement, creating a place for arts and cultural um organizations to thrive and kind of have a home is important.

I didn't realize when I first started this project how there's a lot of really great nonprofit organizations that are here in our community that are you know essentially couch surfing.

They either have a uh a semi-permanent or even a temporary space, or in some cases they don't have a space at all.

And those groups use uh library facilities, they use facilities at UNLV and other facilities, and they do their best to put on productions and and events, but they don't really have a great place to go and do what they do.

And so the idea behind this partnership is not only um just renovating you know a historic building, but it's actually uh creating a really great place for all these groups and organizations to kind of call home.

And so, you know, you'll see the third bullet point there, it says support local nonprofits and creative organizations.

That's going to be a big part of this project.

And as I said before, it's very difficult to do that under a more traditional development um uh project where you know it's a for-profit developer.

Um, you know, you have to charge market rents to make things work.

And in this case, you know, I've realized that that will not work.

And in order for these groups and organizations to really be able to utilize this space, um, the the ownership of the Huntridge itself needs to be a nonprofit.

Um the last part of that slide that you're looking at is activate the downtown arts district and surrounding neighborhoods.

I've completed quite a few renovations of buildings in and around that area, and you know, there's some really great restaurants and bars and things that people love, but I think that that part of town, and specifically, you know, uh the area of we'll call it the Huntridge neighborhood, would really benefit a lot from having this cultural hub, you know, at the corner of Charleston and Maryland Parkway.

Um, things have been very difficult on that uh intersection for quite some time because there's been a lot of heavy construction going on.

A lot of the businesses that are in my shopping center across the street and the other um buildings that I own, just in that general vicinity, have really struggled with a lot of the road construction that has occurred on Charleston and Maryland Parkway.

Luckily, those projects are very close to being done, and hopefully, when they are, you know, those all of those businesses will start to see a little bit of a relief when it comes to all of the construction that's been going on.

Um the next slide is the partnership model.

So the idea behind this is that you know, we're gonna work uh in conjunction with the city to structure framework that looks very similar to what uh the framework of the Smith Center looks looks like today.

So, you know, today the city doesn't run necessarily the Smith Center, but they definitely participated pretty heavily in the development.

And um, you know, when the Smith Center got its start, um, there was certain grants and things that were extended to the Smith Center in order for that project to get off the ground.

And today, you know, it's a very healthy organization.

Um, it is a nonprofit, and I believe that it's considered to be a very big success.

And so, not that this is going to be exactly like that, because it's a little bit different because we're gonna have many different organizations that are going to be a part of this.

Um, but uh it will be a framework that's similar to that.

And so this goes through the basic steps of what will happen next.

So the first step would be acquire the theater.

So by the end of the year, um, it's my goal to have the nonprofit uh complete the transaction to own the theater.

Um the second part is funding the restoration and construction.

So the reason that this is on this is number two is because in the past we've got and we've had a plan to uh redevelop the theater, but it included some additional boxes at the back that could be uh potentially a part of this project, and we we have that permitted, and we currently are sorry, we have it entitled and we have a set of construction drawings that show those spaces.

I think on the short term, I think the renovation of the theater needs to be kind of in phase one.

Um we we can also consider doing the other parts of it all at once, but I really believe in order to move this forward as quickly as possible, it would be great to phase the project so that the main uh Huntridge Theater is renovated and completed and activated, and that the rest of the improvements happen at a later date.

Um another factor in this is understanding the groups and organizations that will use the theater.

Before we were designing it to kind of be a one size fits all, there was a lot of unknowns, and although Soho Playhouse was giving us direction, there were parts and pieces that you know when I was talking to local theater groups and organizations, they were pointing out that there were components that we didn't have worked out, and so um we started talking to a great theater consultant called Fisher Dax, and um that that group was brought by uh Dr.

Bowman, and I guess he had previously worked with them at the Smith Center.

Um they specialize in doing nothing but uh theater build-screen and so they've studied the current uh drawings that we have.

They've made uh uh pretty big list of recommendations on things that we can change.

Um, those aren't changes that happen on necessarily the exterior, but it's more uh changes that happen on the interior of the space to better support multiple users and different uh arts and cultural um users that would occupy the space, and then number three, as you can see is establish a long-term nonprofit uh for operations.

So I think that it's pretty important that you know we make clear today the city, you know, um doesn't want to have uh long-term we'll say oversight or involvement in this project.

And when I say that, I don't I don't mean that they won't be a part of it.

I mean very much like the Smith Center, you know, the city isn't getting involved in the day-to-day operations, and so in speaking with Maggie and you know, various people within the city, I think it's clear that in order for this to be able to work, that it has to look a lot like what we described as far as the the framework of the Smith Center, and therefore on a long-term basis, the 501c3 will be the one that operates the theater, works with all of the groups and organizations that will occupy space there, and they will be kind of the shepherd and the and the one that runs the show.

Um the next slide is the uh information about the Huntridge Conservancy.

So we formed this 501c3 in order to be the ultimate owner of the theater.

Um it's been formed, it's been uh initially uh funded, and we are starting to accept donations.

Um the mission is essentially all the things that we talked about today restore the historic Huntrage Theater, support the arts and cultural programming, provide space for local nonprofits and community organizations and operate the venue in a sustainable way after the renovation is complete.

The acquisition structure, so parts parts of this um proposal today, you know, you you'll probably have questions, and so some of the questions I can definitely answer, but then part of what the AMS proposal that I'll share with you today, um, in order for that to be uh completed, um, it's going to help us kind of build the framework out better and really understand what we need to do next.

So right now the Huntridge Conservancy, which will be the 501c3 that ultimately you know owns and operates the theater long term is going to raise at least 50% of the acquisition cost.

Um I've made a commitment that I will be selling the theater for the appraised value.

So instead of you know going out and um, you know, and I'll say that any city involvement or um in in other groups and organizations that would want to get involved, they would want to make sure that the the price of the property ultimately is an appraised amount, and so we've already received two appraisals, one that I ordered, and then one that the city ordered, and we're gonna be ordering one more, so we'll have a total of three appraisals.

And so we've already received two appraisals, one that I ordered, and then one that the city ordered, and we're going to be ordering one more, so we'll have a total of three appraisals.

Two of those are complete, and that's something that I can share with uh Dr.

Seabrant, and she can also share that with the commission.

Um of the things that is important for us to know down the road is since this will be a public-private partnership and more importantly, a nonprofit, there are certain things that we've already qualified for.

So for instance, we have historic tax credits that I I paid a consultant to help us get.

Um understanding all the buckets of potential money that are available to a nonprofit are important.

Um I've noticed that as I've gone through this journey of trying to figure out the best way to renovate the theater and kind of bring it back to life.

It seems as if there's a lot more programs and things open to to nonprofits as opposed to a for-profit developer.

And so uh a big part of the reason that we're shifting this way is because I think that there is going to be a lot more grants and things that we're we're going to be able to get, making this a nonprofit and you know, truly making this something for the public.

Um as far as the programming vision goes, um, you know, I'm I'm I'm not a theater person per se, and so um part of what we're going to be doing is getting the right group of people involved in the project that are going to be on the board that are going to help guide it and decide all of these things.

Um the idea is because ultimately I can build a building and I can construct something, but that doesn't mean that I can operate a performing arts theater.

One of the main reasons that we're going to have somebody like Maggie involved from the city is because these are the things that she knows.

Um she's very aware of all the groups and organizations within the community that have homes or don't have homes.

And part of uh this process of really understanding what's going to go in here is going to be a big part of the communications and the work that we do with the city and and Maggie's department.

And then the uh community partners that are involved, arts organizations, cultural nonprofits, um, educational programs.

So, you know, we're just blocks away from a school that does nothing but you know support the arts.

And so, you know, the idea is if this is a nonprofit and its mission is to support the arts, you know, we think that we will have a lot more uh community involvement, could be from UNLV, and it could be from you know our our local performing arts high school, it's just down the street, and then also having film and media programs and music and performing arts initiatives, and then ultimately the operating model.

So the Hunters Conservancy will ultimately program the venue, manage operations and maintain the facility in a long-term basis.

Um part of the AMS proposal, I believe is going to really outline you know how that framework looks long term.

And so part of the reason that the uh the proposal that we we we're going to hopefully move forward, they're going to take all these things into consideration and help us kind of outline what this is going to look like.

This is just a slide about community impact, which you know talks about preserving the building, um, expanding access to arts and culture, making sure that we have a permanent home for all these local nonprofits that currently don't, many other markets in the country that are smaller than Las Vegas, um, you know, have city involvement and have done a really good job of supporting these local arts organizations.

And I think that you know, we're a little bit behind on that, and that's something that we have to work on, and that's why I think this project would make a lot of sense.

And then the path forward is so we're going to be finalizing the Huntress Conservancy Board, um, completing the appraisal process, which as I told you, we currently have two appraisals, we need one last one.

Um, finalizing the acquisition structure, which in a part happens through the study that we have, um completing the capital camp campaign, and then ultimately really identifying what the scope of the project is, which in the past included building the entire project all at once, determining whether phasing the project is makes the most sense, and then moving things forward, and then the last thing is securing all the programming partners, so all the local groups that are going to be potentially occupying the space, identifying those groups, and then really getting to know what they need and then baking that into part of you know how we build the project.

And then the last thing is securing all the programming partners, so all the local groups that are going to be potentially occupying the space, identifying those groups, and then really getting to know what they need and then baking that into part of you know how we build the project.

And that's the end of the proposal.

So I would be happy to answer any questions that you have.

Um I unfortunately I don't have uh multiple um copies of the proposal that I was telling you about from AMS, but I can provide that to Dr.

C Brant, and she can distribute that out, I think, to you guys at a later date.

Thank you.

Um I just have a couple quick clarifying questions, and then I'll to turn it over to the commission for more questions and comments.

Um but um if if I'm remembering correctly, there's essentially like three buildings on the site, although they are attached.

Yes.

So does this proposal pertain only to the theater, or would it be the entire complex?

That's a great question.

So it's only the theater.

Um the rest of the the other two buildings.

So um when you say three buildings, you mean the theater and the other two buildings.

Yeah, the post office and yeah, the back exactly sanctuary area.

Yes, so that the two other buildings, um, I would retain the ownership, those would be for profit development.

Um, I've already signed a lease with a group that uh is going to build a restaurant on in one of those spaces.

And so I think part of the success of this is you know to have a great place to go, kind of like the Smith Center, you know, you've got VIX across the street, and it's a place that people like to go and hang out and eat or drink before the show.

In this case, you know, we would have two of those food and beverage spaces, but those are all going to be market rents.

Um the proposal is to split the parcel and the property, and so when you see the appraisals um that we've done, it shows that essentially we would split the property right down.

There's a there's actually a uh currently different parcels that exist, and so it would it would kind of uh split the property right down that okay, and then um the 501c3, it wasn't quite clear to me.

Has that already been formed?

It has okay, and so that the hundred conservancy is in in existence then it is, and we've provided the information to Dr.

C Brand, and she's gone and checked that out.

Okay, okay.

I do have um potentially some other questions and comments, but I'd like to turn it over to other commissioners, um, and we can come back if needed.

I see we'll start with Commissioner Purdue.

Basically, what percent of the restoration has been completed on the theater?

Well, we haven't we haven't done any additional restoration on the theater because the set of plans that have been created um were for us doing the entire renovation, and you know, in past I've said that in order for us to be able to really know what we're doing, we've got to understand what the programming is on the inside.

So the set of plans that we have are uh 90% complete, those are construction drawings, but in order for us to really be able to finish those and submit those to the city uh to ultimately get a permit.

Part of what we need to do is understand what those users will all need and make changes accordingly in order to make those those those uh modifications, and so without a set of construction drawings that are that have been approved by the city, we wouldn't be able to move forward and do any renovations until those are complete.

So at this point we just have construction drawings, but the restoration has not been done.

Correct.

We have entitlements and we have construction drawings, and and yes, we cannot start until a set of construction drawings uh have been fully approved.

Thank you, Commissioner Yes, Harper.

Sorry, Commissioner Harper, uh for the record.

Can you give us an update on the construction activities and the constructing staging in the parking lot?

Sure.

Yeah, so um the city has a large public works project that is going on up and down Charleston, which I'm sure everybody knows about.

Um part of uh the construction woes will say for you know all my existing tenants and all the buildings around there is all of this construction.

So I was approached um and asked if I could if I would be willing to allow them to use the parking lot for the staging and utilization of the open space so that they can complete that project, and I said yes.

Right now it's it's a month-to-month agreement, um, so I could cancel it at any time.

Um as of right now, I I believe that they want to use it for another six to eight months.

Um, but I I'm this is a public works project, so I'm not a hundred percent sure.

Commissioner Sodal.

Couple of quick questions.

Uh not in this order, but the the the first order would be the appraised value.

You already have two appraised values strictly of the theater itself, not the parking lot, not uh or or does the theater include part of the parking lot.

Yeah, it would it would include part of the parking lot.

Um we have a uh uh a site plan that shows it being split.

So um it it's approximately two-thirds of the property, and I can provide that.

It's it is in each of the appraisals, but I could provide that as a separate document so that the commission could see that and understand what that looks like.

And I I'm sure that you you you you know that because you've been dealing with uh uh this building for uh more than your ownership.

You are working on this uh in one way or another a couple of years before that.

Um there is an ex a existing agreement between the the state of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas that the state of Nevada uh and all the covenants that were attached to previous loans are in a legal document, and I'm sure that that legal document is going to be part of the process that you're working out with the city and there and therefore the state.

But the two appraisals are strictly for the theater and and and for the for the parking.

Uh it was pretty public that you bought the facility at about four million dollars, uh plus you have had to pay for the maintenance, and you also have been doing restoration is not the right word, but you stabilize the building, the electrical and and and the plumbing and and and so forth.

Do you have some built-in expenses that uh uh where I'm getting at is the appraisal, does that just include the building or any money that you may have you've already laid out?

Yeah, I well, I think the appraisal just does what appraisals do.

It it assesses everything, so it's gonna take into consideration we've spent a considerable amount of money on a set of plans.

And I mean, you know, normally a project you say a set of plans cost 50 or 100,000, something like that.

I mean, we've spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars on plans for this project, and design professionals and um you know, life safety, um a lot of consultants.

So I think it's taking all of those things into consideration.

Um also I've uh I don't know if the person that's working the camera system, so I found this the site plan, and if you could zoom in, um it is on my phone, but this will give you a little bit better idea of how the property would be split.

Well, I'm more interested at this juncture is what the the city tax the city doesn't have any money of its own, it all comes from taxpayers, and so there's two elements.

One is is what the city taxpayers are going to be paying the Huntridge Theater group uh for for that building, and then secondly, how the this nonprofit, as you well know, nonprofits today are having a very, very hard time, not just in Las Vegas, but across the country of uh game uh receiving funds and so forth.

A lot of them are shutting down.

So the operational of a nonprofit to run the facility, they're not gonna be paying for it.

City taxpayers are gonna be paying for maintaining the facility.

No, that's yeah, so that's that's that's the point of what we're talking about.

So very much like the current structure of the Smith Center, so that that is a nonprofit.

They have a considerable amount of money um in you know in their coffers.

They raise money annually.

And they have the license, they they have the the rental car license funds that come their way.

Oh, I I understand that.

But the hunter doesn't have that.

But that's just a that's just a part of the total amount of money that they raise.

They do they do private private fundraising, and there's a lot of groups and organizations that also do that.

And so let's just argue back to the beginning.

money um in you know in their coffers they raise money annually and they have the license they they have the the the rental car license funds that come their way oh i i understand that but the hunter doesn't have that but that's just a that's just a part of the total amount of money that they raise they do they do private private fundraising and there's a lot of groups and organizations um that also do that and so well let's just hear it but back to the beginning and and because my concern is is the funding what are the two appraisals are they roughly the same um well no they're not uh roughly the same I mean they're in the same ballpark one appraisal which it's the reason that there is a need for a third appraisal is one of the appraisals um appraised it as a land value only which would almost indicate that you were gonna knock the theater down and I think that that's not a a good way to assess it and so the first appraisal took all things into consideration and so what I think has to happen is on that third appraisal there has to be really specific uh a very specific understanding of what the what the person is appraising I think that they need to take a little bit more time looking at the current set of entitlements and plans understand that obviously the theater is going to be renovated it you can't be considerate uh land value because that's not a fair way to assess it and all those things need to be taken into consideration we're talking about eight or ten million no not not nothing close so right now the two appraisals one that's land value only is just under five million and the one that took all of the buildings into consideration was I believe right around seven million.

Okay.

So again it's I think that it's a combination of you know those two things I I believe that um the first one is probably uh a little bit more comprehensive the second one they didn't spend as much time considering all aspects so with that would that initial money then come from the city no 50 percent would come from the nonprofit and 50 percent would come from various um organizations and groups so meaning the the city um if and be one of the things that the study will do is identify all of the potential places that we can go get money and so there could be money that comes from RDA there could be money that comes from other city organizations and so the commitment that the 501c3 is making is to raise at least 50% of it possibly more and you hope to have this done by the end of the year yes I do.

All right I may have one or two more but that so uh the the funding was the biggest issue for me and along with the operational expense who's going to be paying for that and it and that's in the and and the both of those items um uh commissioner are in the proposal so I I say that it's important to know that this I I don't expect the city that they have ongoing operational expense and then it's also in the proposal that 50% of the money is going to be raised by the nonprofit and the other 50% is going to be um we're gonna go out and seek that publicly as you know better than anyway this is a major announcement that uh that you made at least to this group I haven't seen it uh publicly uh so a lot of stuff is going on and you're the first you're you're the you're really the first to hear it other than the conversations that we've had with the city and you know various groups you know is the proposal public is that something HBC could see so Seth Floyd for the record um so no um there's no official uh proposal that we are talking about Seth he's talking about this proposal oh the document yeah the the if there's a feasibility study that's available we can provide that uh to the commission afterwards the nuts and bolts of a deal uh have not been uh reached at I would say this is kind of in the preliminary stage we've had conversations certainly a lot of work has gone into uh putting together the the structure here but city's role is still a little undefined at this point but yeah if we could do the uh uh we could see a copy of of the feasibility study would be great thank you do we have any other questions commissioner grimmer commissioner grimer for the record uh I guess my questions are kind of along the same line because this is sort of a big change is this something the city council ultimately will need to approve I guess that's a question for Seth yeah Seth Floyd for the I the short answer is it depends I I think it depends on what that what the city involvement ultimately at the at the end of it looks like okay so it's still sort of up in the air um and commissioner I'm I just want to answer that so the in that qu that's a great question so right now in order for us to shift to a 501c3 and this project or the theater portion of the project to become you know a true nonprofit I and Seth can always correct me if I'm wrong there the city doesn't have to weigh in on that the the part that could potentially be something that the city needs to weigh in on is once the framework is understood the city's involvement is truly understood there could be components and pieces of this that needs to go through the city council approval part of the reason we're doing the study is you know to identify those things and so that is possible but what I can tell you is I've made a commitment that I'm gonna go this direction and this is what you know what we're we're going to do.

Um the the part that could potentially be something that the city needs to weigh in on is once the framework is understood, the city's involvement is truly understood.

There could be components and pieces of this that needs to go through the city council approval.

Part of the reason we're doing the study is you know to identify those things.

And so that is possible, but what I can tell you is I've made a commitment that I'm gonna go this direction, and this is what you know what we're we're going to do.

Although we're working on defining, you know, what the city's role is.

I have had meeting with um councilwoman for the area for from Olivia, uh, Mayor Berkeley, um, both Seth and Maggie, and and also spoken with Mike Jansen, the city manager.

So as Seth said, we're working on the framework of this.

Um I think that the next step is getting this um study commissioned and completed as quickly as possible, trying to work with the company that's going to do it, AMS to get it done as quickly as possible and provide them with all the information that they need, because as soon as that study is completed, I think things can start to progress pretty quickly.

Okay, that's good.

I because I I know that's not really the purview of our commission to determine that, but I guess I would just be concerned what are the backup plans, you know, if if it doesn't succeed.

Yeah, well, theaters fail all the time, and so then is the city on the hook you know, is this are are we back to square one where we're trying to figure out how that's the very to make use out of this really amazing historic building.

Yeah, that's the very reason we're doing this.

So I think that it could it if I would have completed the redevelopment of it, had a we'll call it a more market rent structure based on the cost to construct it, and then had community-based, you know, theater organizations trying to live in the space and pay, you know, rent that is market rent.

I think there's a good chance that it could have been not successful.

The whole reason that we're shifting to this is so that it's sustainable long term and that it will work.

And so I don't want to say that there's not a plan B.

This this kind of in a in a way, you know, we're realizing or I'm I'm I'm realizing I'm realizing or I realized that in order for this to be able to be successful, you know, we had to kind of shift gears and do this a little bit differently.

So that's the reason that that we're going down this road.

And um, you know, just renovating the building and then not having it activated, I don't think that that means that this was a successful project.

And so I think that the realization that there is you know a second chapter to this, and it's the mission linen building, for instance, that I'm just completing, you know, I have four or five tenants in that building, and they're all paying market rents, and so the cost to renovate it, you know, pencils out, it makes sense.

Um, in this case, in order for it to truly be sustainable long term, I think that the ownership of the theater has to be nonprofit.

Uh Jack Levine on the phone.

Okay, so before I start bopping again, um quick the my question really is what's your role, your role after you sell the uh the theater portion to the nonprofit, which may or may not have made you a profit on the entire property.

You still get to own the uh the the market rate uh retail spaces.

Um but are you still the general contractor for the completion of the theater?

Are we looking for all new plans, all new uh contractor, all new everything or are you still until we end the room?

So I I had never um I had never planned to be the general contractor uh for the project, although I am a general contractor and have completed several of my projects.

Uh I had always intended to hire a third-party general contractor for this project.

I because of the level of restoration that needs to be done, you know, I think that that would probably be best.

Um and then what's my involvement long term?

So um, I mean, I plan to sit on the board of the of the Hunter Conservancy for as long as you know is necessary.

Um my commitment long term, you know, has always been to the project and the theater.

There, but in order for me to be able to make this a success, there needs to be a lot of other people and contributors to be a part of this.

Um it's it's this is um not an easy project because of you know the theaters need to be, you know, kind of more of a community-based space.

And so there's a lot of people that want to participate in this that I'm going to, you know, uh hope that are going to be on the board of the conservancy that will help get get this to the finish line.

Okay, whatever.

Just one couple last questions.

Sure.

Uh in your discussions, are are do you see this or have you had these discussions of the money from the city would come from the redevelopment fund or potentially from the Centennial Commission?

Yeah, so I mean, we haven't we haven't identified exactly where the funds come from.

I mean, that's a little bit of what I think the study does, but I mean, there are many buckets of money that are out there, and you know, I I would say that in addition to raising money on the private side of things, um, you know, we have to identify the the what we'll say the buckets of money that would fit this, and then go after those sources.

And so, you know, I think that this being a nonprofit and this truly being a community-based project, I think opens up a lot of avenues that probably previously weren't open to us.

Uh and just you mentioned at the beginning that you want to get this done by the end of the year.

Yeah.

Right now, though, you own the the Hunt Range Theater and the property there.

Correct.

It hasn't been turned over to the Conservancy in order for that to take place, the appraisal needs to get done and an agreement worked out with the city.

Uh okay, so there's several more steps that have to uh significant steps that have to be accomplished.

Yeah, I think that uh the idea of selling it for the appraised value is pretty easy.

We just have to establish what that is.

I think that the framework that we're talking about that will be partially identified, you know, within this um study.

I mean, the study also identifies, you know, if there is a need, what if we do the study and you know the study comes back and says, oh, there's no need for you know a space for community theaters.

I mean, that could be a possibility.

I don't think that that's the case.

I think that we feel pretty strongly that it's the study's gonna come back and say that this is you know something very much that's needed.

Um, but that's the purpose of doing this.

Thank you.

Um Commissioner Laramie, so I just want to clarify the the study that you keep referring to.

I think you mentioned that it's in partnership with cultural affairs, the cities.

Um cultural affair department, and it's been referred to as a feasibility study.

So the purpose of this study is to determine if there's a need for the theater.

Are there other goals for the study?

Yeah, I'll you know what I'll I can read these goals um to you, and actually just if you want, I mean, I could put this up and read this and put it up on the screen.

I don't know if you can zoom out a little bit.

But goals would be um project initiation and orientation.

So this kind of talks about what AMS is going to do.

Um key stakeholder engagement.

So, you know, the idea is they're gonna identify all the stakeholders and groups and organizations that would be a part of the project.

You know, a lot of this is has to do with the users that end up being in the space.

Um three 360 degree market analysis and competitive venue assessment.

So the idea is we got to figure out, you know, are is there another hundred sitting there that's in mothballs that you know all it needs to do is be activated.

We know that the answer is no, but that assessment has to be made, and that's I think an important part of if you walk into you know any kind of let's say the Centennial Commission and we say, hey, we've got this project, and this is what what this is.

If we have an assessment that says that this is very much in need, then you know, we have something there.

If we have an assessment that says, oh, there's three of these sitting and they're not being utilized, then that's a different story.

Um I'm gonna turn the page.

So if you look at number four, the user needs assessment or survey and interviews.

So part of what they're gonna be doing is looking at the overall design of what you know the current construction drawings have, really assess you know, all the users that would potentially be a part of the project, and then go, okay, you know, how does the project change or how to you know what components you know does maybe Fisher Dax need to bake in in order to make this work for all the people that are gonna be using the theater?

So I think that that's a very important part of it.

So this goes on, and like I said, I mean, I don't want to go through every single one of these, but basically this goes through the entire process of this, and I think that this study will do a good job of really helping move things forward.

So I'll provide this to you, you can read it, and then you know, if if you have any questions, once you read it, we would be happy to you know answer those questions and and go from there.

And then just to speak to the last part, so um Maggie uh and cultural affairs, they have a grant um that they're going to be using to pay for the study.

Okay, cool.

Thank you.

That's just the question.

That yeah, that's helpful.

Thank you.

Um and then I think the the only other real question is, you know, for our purview on HPC, it seems like this proposal does have potential to you know change what has already been approved with the certificate of appropriateness and um you know potentially may affect your historic tax credits as well.

Um so I assume if that is the case, if we find that to be the case in the future, at least the certificate of appropriateness would come back to the commission.

Yeah.

So I don't believe that that it will change.

Um if it did, if there was changes that required us to come back, we would.

Um the goal is for us to work within the framework of what's been approved in order to move things forward quickly.

You know, that's one of the discussions that we've had um with Fisher Dax is that we have certain things that are that are approved, and we don't want to make any changes that would be so impactful that we would have to go back through the process.

Um I don't want to say that it's impossible because there's always a possibility that the assessment or the needs of potential users could impact what's been currently designed, and we wouldn't want to be in a situation where you know we built something that didn't work for everybody.

Okay.

And then just to clarify on the record, um, my understanding is if the building is sold, kind of the legal agreement that's in place stays with the building, and so it doesn't change any of the covenants or or agreements with the building or our responsibility on the commission or with the city.

Correct.

And what I would also say is, you know, although we've been working um, you know, to continue to decrease the amount of the you know, the the payback and maybe the city can say where we're at today.

Part of the what what my goal would be in raising this additional money to basically have the nonprofit own it at closing, I would also like that if there's any portion of that that's still left, I'd like that to be paid off so that the nonprofit can you know not only own the property free and clear, but there's no encumbrance that's still hanging around, if that makes sense.

Uh Chairman Jim Lewis, the attorney's office.

There is gonna be some question if they split the parcel, whether this agreement goes with the building itself or stays attached to the entire parcel.

So we'll we'll have conversations with Mr.

Dapper about that, but I'm sure we'll come to some agreement if in fact something accrues.

Looks like we still have a few more questions.

Commissioner Purdue, uh you said your one appraisal was land only, your second appraisal was the three buildings.

No.

Uh first appraisal was theater building only.

Uh the second appraisal I thought was going to appraise the theater as well.

Um but just did the land for some reason the appraiser only appraised it as land value.

All right, and my second question is what kind of overlap will this situation have with the Beverly Theater.

Um I I don't think it would have much overlap.

It's it's a very different venue.

And so have you done any communication with them and studies?

Well, that's the study that we would be doing.

That's one of the items that they look at as all the available spaces.

Um I've been in the Beverly Theater, it's very different than what we're proposing here.

So I don't think that they are the same, but certainly the study is going to take that into consideration.

I believe it is open to community use though.

Um, yeah, but it's the size of the theater and and what type of production works there.

And so um you have to realize it's you know, this is this is a very different scale.

I don't know exactly how many seats the Beverly Theater has.

About 200.

Okay, yeah.

Two to three hundred.

Yeah, I mean, right now, as as this is proposed, this is like a you know, 800 to 1200 seat theater, so it's very different.

Be like comparing the Huntridge to um you know, uh the Smith Center.

It's very different.

Yeah.

So one wouldn't compete with the other because there's just different productions that happen in those sizes of theaters.

One additional point is the Smith Center in the beginning had about 20 million dollars of seed money that was invested up front, and which was always an opportunity for the Smith Center to handle its finances and its maintenance.

It was way ahead of the game.

Would there be any effort with your 501c to have additional seed money that wouldn't apply to the purchase?

Yeah, I mean, part of putting this together is not only raising the money to purchase it, but it would also be you know overall long-term maintenance of the property.

You have to realize that I mean, this is just step one.

So acquiring the theater is the first phase, and then raising the money for renovations is another phase.

Umgoing um operations, you know, is a part of it.

So yeah, it's it's a very um it's you know, it's not it doesn't happen overnight.

And I the one thing that I can tell you is I believe that we've found what I think is the right structure, and you know in the past, you know, I've been trying to advance this and move it forward under something that probably wouldn't work, and so I feel um that I've made a positive, you know, a positive change here, and it doesn't mean that I've worked out every you know single detail.

There's a lot of things to be worked out, and I don't know exactly how long that project took to put together, but I bet it was you know many, many years, and you know, from the time it was first conceptualized to the first performance.

And so um this is a little different because that was ground up, and so once you know the site was determined and you know, an architect was picked, it would things were a little more straightforward.

You know, this is taking all those same components into consideration, but it's also having a historic building that you know comes before the HPC and has certain limitations, and so it makes it a little bit more difficult to get done because you have to take those things into consideration Commissioner Stone.

Just the last uh uh what the chair mentioned regarding the existing uh legal document between the city of Las Vegas, uh the HPC and the state of Nevada.

Uh currently ordinances uh provide this body with some oversight with the exterior of the building, the painting and and so forth.

However, the uh the document with the state of Nevada that was approved by the attorney general's office and by the city attorney here and signed by both you and and the mayor, uh, gives this HPC group uh uh some oversight into the interior of the building, including the lobby and and and the theater itself.

And I without putting any words in the chair's uh mouth, I think that that's specifically one of the elements that uh is a very important part of that document, along with the question of the judgment and the reduction of that that you don't want to see continue to go over.

Um those are things that are going to involve the HPC.

And uh clearly with advice from the city attorney uh and and the city staff of uh recommendations in in those areas.

But those are a couple things that uh are gonna be kind of front and center on as as I move forward uh or as this project moves forward.

So thank you.

And and I think that I mean the city having involvement in the project helps through that process, and you know, obviously it's our goal to continue to live up to you know all the standards that have been set forth, but um understanding ultimately what my goal is not to change you know what's already been approved, but obviously if for some reason we identify something where there is a change that's necessary, I mean we would bring that forward to the HBC and go through the appropriate approval process.

Um but as we've talked to Fisher Dax, um that's been at the forefront of the conversation is that you know, here was the approval, please work within this framework.

So this is a this is uh a lot to absorb.

This is a major change, a major announcement, lots of different things need to uh but it sounds like it's it's moving the huntridge forward uh in a in a potentially positive way.

So thank you for the update.

Yeah, no problem.

Great.

Okay, well, we have one more question down at the end, Commissioner Grimer.

Thank you, Chair.

Just one real quick question.

Um you mentioned that the it the parcel would be divided, and you would maintain the side of the parcel and and build out the restaurant bar side of that.

Is there anything in the non-profit side on the theater side that prohibits the theater from having bar restaurant?

Anything like that?

No.

Um the the the two so we only have one food and beverage lease signed.

Um we would want the theater.

I mean, the theater should have uh uh certainly a beverage component, maybe not food.

Um, but if it turns out that it does have a food component, you know, the whole hope is is that both of the food and beverage um you know uh establishments that are next door could help support the theater.

Um part of this feasibility study, and then ultimately changes that Fisher Dax makes, you know, those changes will dictate you know what kind of food and beverage ultimately end up in the theater.

Um but there would be no restriction on the theater having you know both a beverage and a food component.

Okay, great.

Well, as our commissioners have said, this was quite an update.

So thank you for all of the information.

I don't think we'll get all of our questions answered at this stage, but we look forward to your future updates and um hopefully great progress to report coming soon.

Thank you.

And I'll provide um the proposal for the study, the appraisals, um, the exhibit for the lot split and all of those things to in fact.

I was gonna say, Madam Chair, if you want to just hand that to the clerk, since you've got since you show that on the screen, that way she'll have it in the record.

Okay.

And and if I and if I send all of those documents and items, you'll be able to also share those with the board.

Yes, whatever you share with us, we can include uh in the materials we send to the board.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, we will return now to item number six, 26-0185 HPC 1, a report by staff from the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement, DBA, the Mob Museum located at 300 Stewart Avenue regarding an update on the upcoming expansion project.

Members of the uh commission, my name is Jonathan Alman.

I am the president and CEO of the Mom Museum.

Uh it's a great pleasure to be here today.

Um I think uh before we begin, I'd like to let the uh rest of our team introduce themselves.

Hello, Commissioners.

My name is Alvin Newval, and I am an associate at Chattle Inc.

Good afternoon.

My name is Alexia Chen, a principal in LGA architecture.

So I think um members of the commission will recall that we were here last December, uh, and we presented a plan for an addition to the historic building for our expansion purposes.

Um when we were here in December, it was also an informational update.

Uh we got some good guidance and some good feedback from the commission.

Uh we've made some updates to the plan which we uh want to share today.

Um this is also uh strictly an informational update, and uh we we did that deliberately uh given that there are uh some substantial changes here.

Uh we think uh all um very positive uh in our minds, and I think that uh well we're optimistic that you'll think the same about that.

Um, but we wanted to have another uh presentation today to get uh some more uh feedback comments from the commission before we come before you, which we're hoping uh will be relatively soon uh to get approval for a certificate of appropriateness uh to move forward.

Um as a reminder, so uh what we have on the screen here are historic images of the federal building.

Um on the left, it's the uh the southwest elevation, so uh vantage point from Stewart Avenue, the frontage and uh the west facade.

Then the other image uh shows from the north uh you get the east facade as well as the rear of the building, so you can see the historic courtroom uh as well as the marquee over uh the historic uh loading dock.

Uh for some more kind of contemporary context, uh this slide is uh is basically uh uh the same or similar perspectives uh showing the building as it is uh now.

So when we presented back in December, um what you saw uh was a plan that is represented by the rendering on the bottom left of this screen.

So it was a build out to the west.

Um and what we are proposing now is the approach on the uh the top right image.

Um so and we're very excited about a number of the changes that uh are reflected uh in this plan.

So we think it's uh significantly improved in a number of ways.

So and we'll we'll get into this with more detail.

Um, but you know, just to kind of summarize um there's a greater setback from Stewart Avenue than what you saw in December, as well as a reduction in the elevation for both the primary building as well as the hyphen that connects to the historic building.

Um fewer penetrations into the historic building.

Uh, and then you know, I think this was really important and is something that came up uh in the discussion that we had in December.

Um, you know, in this plan, we utilize the historic front steps as the primary uh entranceway and exit for the museum, even with the addition.

So you might recall in the previous plan uh the uh the hyphen was a large atrium space that would have been a new uh entryway um as opposed to the front steps.

So and and again, we'll get into uh how we envisioned this working.

Um the most obvious change when you look at these renderings uh is the move from an addition to the west and to uh to now what is to the east.

Um this is uh really not something that was driven at all by the discussions around um the historic preservation.

Um instead uh when we hired our construction firm and did a closer examination of the site, what you see on this image is the utility corridor that runs along the west and the north of the building.

Um cost estimates for building to the west to relocate the utilities uh were on the order of five to six million dollars.

So that prompted us uh to, you know, I think from from uh the overall kind of uh magnitude of this project, um, you know, we found that cost prohibitive, um, which had us uh revert to the east side, the east and the north.

Um, and you can see in this drawing, I don't uh Kent um point it out uh here, but but where the parking lot is uh is essentially the um the property line.

So you can see in that kind of that rectangular with the crisscross that's the property line uh on the east.

So we want to make certain that we're not building across that property line such that we're on two separate land parcels.

So uh the plan going forward um as you can see in in this rendering is to go east and then wrap uh towards the north side of the building.

And I'm gonna pass it to Alvin Nuval to talk more specifically about uh the changes um to the building massing.

Yes, hello again, commissioners.

Um so as Jonathan mentioned, we're really excited to share more of the changes that are involved, taking into the feet taking to account the feedback that you all provided us during the December meeting.

Uh one of the things that this opportunity to move the uh the second constraints provided us was the opportunity to integrate a lot of the feedback that was um provided to create a new design that we feel strongly balances the um honoring the history and importance of the historic building while still providing um uh still meeting the needs of the new edition and the museum in the future.

So, as you see here, one of the biggest kind of comments that were described during the December meetings was on the massing of the new edition.

Um, really taking to that account that into account to look at how to make the new edition appear more subordinate to the historic building.

One of the things that we looked at was reducing the heights of both the hyphen and the new addition.

So here you can see that compared to the previous design, the hyphen has been reduced just over 13 feet, and the parapet of the new addition has been reduced just over seven feet.

Another thing that we had looked at and was commented on during this December meeting was just the how much whether it was possible to expose more of the side elevation.

In responding to that comment, we looked at increasing the building setbacks for both the hyphen and the new addition.

Clearly expressing the subordination.

We'll talk a little bit more about these connections, but one thing to note is that we are moving from this previous uh proposal of having three entryways on the first floor to only impacting two portions, uh two windows on the uh first floor, which does reduce the um impact on historic materials on the building.

Just continuing our conversation on the building connection.

We showed this slide previously during the December meeting.

Uh, this is the previous conversion of a window opening into a door at that north uh east corner of the building.

Uh, this is still reflecting the uh proposed uh installation of new doors at the um connecting the historic building and the new building.

One thing to also know about the shift from the west elevation to the east elevation is that this corner is the corner that has been previously altered.

So rather than making alterations to a corner that had not that previously was not altered before, we are now focused on a corner that does have previous alterations as well.

Um these are just some of the initial changes, but um I'm gonna pass this on to Alexia who can describe more um information about how we addressed other comments from the commissioners.

Hi, um, it is our pleasure to give you some updates on the design.

So here we're seeing a floor plan.

Um we're gonna go through just some of the highlights of what's changed and what we think are the improvements in this new updated design.

The interior program of the addition has not changed from our last report, uh, although you can see clearly the building has moved from the west side to the east side and now connects from the east facade.

Um important uh major goal in this redesign is to continue to use the historic stair in front of the historic building as the main entrance and using the new uh only as a secondary or special event entrance.

So decreasing the importance of the addition while pushing it back, as we can see here on the plan.

And we also added a new um very minimal ramp for accessible route to lead anyone with the need on to the same entrance at the historic um front doors.

And uh, one thing to point out is we went from a two-story building to a one-story building with only uh some small mezzanine on the second level, which we'll point out in a later slide.

Um, this slide here shows some of the material um improvements based on some of the comments that we've heard on to coordinate the materials better with the existing colors and finishes on the historic building.

I'm gonna go to the slide so you can see a little bit better on the rendering that the um the masonry at the bottom of the new addition is to coordinate closely with the historic terracotta finish using new concrete masonry materials on the metal screens above.

Um it has been updated to a new color that matches better with the historic brick that's at the building.

We're also making sure that the hyphen glazing the glass would be a low iron glass to maximize the transparency and visibility to the historic facade that's on the east side.

So on this um perspective angle here, you can see a little bit better on the very minimal ramp that's added on the southeast corner to lead you to the main entrance as well as the pushback hyphen and building exposing more of the historic east facade.

This is the um view from the north side.

Um a couple things to highlight here.

The the highlighted red area on the side, you know, wherever we left off without new addition, are all of those utility zones that we previously mentioned.

And we're also keeping the buildings relatively low to allow views and space around both the historic courtroom as well as the marquee.

We're trying to be sensitive to that and not attach any new building to that area.

Uh if you can see kind of to the left uh side of the historic facade, there is a slight um second floor addition to connect to a potential conference room, but the materials they're used are matching closely to the historic break there.

This is a view uh inside the new hyphen uh secondary lobby now.

Um so we're taking care to expose as much as the historic facade here.

So as you come into the building, you have another opportunity to be in very close proximity of the historic building.

And then like we presented before, we're taking a use of the historic window and modifying two of those uh as shown here inside the inside a room into new doorways.

Um but the design of the window will be very similar, um, closely following the historic style, even um with the solid portion that's used to be the window sill here.

And this is that um second story connection to the um kind of northeast corner of the north facade where we could potentially have a conference room.

So the same idea here is to continue to expose as much as the historic facade to be visible and to be experienced by users.

And then um we felt it's important to show you uh night rendering so that continuing the similar lighting that's currently being used in the south main facade.

We're carrying that lighting scheme on this east side and continuing into the building, in fact, to kind of uh mimic the same look and also provide additional visibility at night when it's dark out.

You could the lighting help you be able to see inside the building and still be able to observe the overall facade there.

So, with that, I'm gonna turn that back to Jonathan.

So uh thank you, Alexia.

Uh well we're with that.

We're uh um delighted to hear any feedback or comments or take any questions that the commission may have.

Great.

Thank you for the presentation.

Um I'll just start by saying I think that the revisions that you've made are really great.

It's it's very apparent you've taken our feedback into account, which is very much appreciated.

Um I will turn it over to the commission for more specific questions or comments.

Um, Chair Sto, or I'm sorry, Commissioner Stodl.

Just a uh really two basic questions.

You talked about the the color uh uh scheme of the of the building on the on the right, the new proposed building on the right.

Will it match as much as you're legally allowed to do the sort of brick brownish color that's uh there at the north end or north and west end of the building?

I'm not sure there's a legal limit of how much you can match unless the commission is giving us a specific direction, but I think that's the goal is the intention is to try to match it so that coordinates very closely with the I I guess there's some there is some rule that says you can't match the architecture.

I was wondering if that carried over maybe to colors, but that's uh so that will have will help link the the two uh the two buildings that are there.

If if I could just I mean just to underscore the point, I think we're aspiring to have it uh as aesthetically complementary without uh any confusion about where the historic properties stops and the can and the new building begins.

And one that's kind of out of our jurisdiction, but I'll ask it anyway.

Have you decided what kind of what will be the function of this new building will exhibit change in the primary building and move over there or is this a conference area?

What have you decided what you want to put inside the new one?

Uh we we do have um a pretty strong direction about how we would like to program the new space.

Thank you.

Commissioner Harper.

Commissioner Harper, I have a question about the metal screening that you're proposing there.

Is that gonna be a core 10, like a uh weathered core 10 steel, or what's the plan for that?

Um I believe so far we've not discussed the core 10 steel as an option.

It might be an aluminum material that has certain finish that can be closed through the brick color.

Looks like Commissioner Grimmer.

Uh Commissioner Grimer for the record.

Um, I agree with the chair, this is a much improved design.

I like the other design, but I think this one is far more respectful to the existing building.

Um, so this is uh I'm really happy to see this.

Also happy to know that you're avoiding the five million dollar relocation of utilities.

Um and Jonathan, you know how I love visiting the speakeasy.

Um but so this would cover up the super secret entrance to the speakeasy.

So is that gonna be relocated?

Yes.

There will be a new super secret way to get down there.

Do any of our commissioners on the phone have any questions or comments?

None from me.

Hearing, oh, thank you, Commissioner Purdue.

I just have an observation I'd like to make.

Are the mailboxes still in the post office?

Yes.

So uh uh we don't have all of them as you know as they were left at the time that that the post office closed, but there are still banks of of post office boxes, and that will remain and still be a feature when you go into uh the lobby up the uh historic steps.

When we moved here in 1942, my father was a forest ranger, and the forestry department's office uh was the top two windows on the left-hand side.

So I frequented my father's office up there.

In fact, once I threw an apple core out the window, he caught me and I got in big trouble.

But my mother would always go to the mailbox.

It was 231.

She had a key and she would open the mailbox, remove the mail.

My brothers worked in the back where the marquee was for at Christmas time.

So it's reminiscent to see that you're keeping the building intact, and I do like what you've designed.

Thank you for sharing that, Commissioner.

Okay, well, you've heard, I think, overwhelmingly positive comments from us.

I know that you are still working with SHIPO, um, so there could be some revisions that come forward.

Um, I do appreciate you holding off on the certificate of appropriateness so that we are um, you know, when we do get to that review that you've already gone through some of the other approvals that you'll need to go through.

So we look forward to your next update and hope to be working on that approval soon.

Thank you.

Okay, we are now on agenda item number eight.

Uh 26-0187 HPC 1, a report by the community development department regarding voting results on the nominations for Historic Preservation Month that will be awarded at the May 27th, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission meeting.

Uh Seabern for the record, uh, thank you so much.

And so the final um tally came in, and do we have a PowerPoint for this one?

Um I'm sorry, I don't have the backup right in front of me.

So it was all um them that were awarded, and there was only one that was not um given the award because remember we've changed our voting to only um vote for one per each category.

And so the we are in the process of putting out letters or sending out letters to the award winners, and then of course, those will be presented at our May meeting for um historic preservation month.

Thank you.

I bel I believe there was actually two that we had to vote between two nominations.

Um, but it does look like we have the list in our backup.

So just for the commission, um, has everybody been able to review the backup?

Do we need to read those aloud or does anybody have any questions on this?

Okay, I'm seeing a nod to read them aloud.

Um so it looks like the winners are um the junior league of Las Vegas.

I believe that's for the Brooks and Mortar nomination.

Um Eddie Escobido Jr.

for the El Mundo newspaper.

Um I forget the specific name of that category, but I believe that's for um uh exemplary media project or something along those lines.

Um sorry, I'm having to look at Seth's screen here.

Oh so for the the winners is uh the junior league is for the Dorothy Wright bricks and mortar the categories right uh above it, uh Chair Larmie.

So it's the business legacy is the um for Eddie Escobar Escobito or however you say his name, sorry.

And then we have Jeffrey Carlson for Historical Media Project, Claire White for Preservation Education.

Uh we didn't have any nominations for advocacy, um, and then career achievement is Guy Roca Rocha again.

Sorry if I pronounced that incorrectly, and then for the Colleen Beck Archaeology, Paleontology, and Indigenous ethnography, we did not have any submissions.

Okay, great.

Um do we have any questions or comments from the commission?

I sold off for the record.

Have they been notified or they're hearing now for the first time?

Uh well, we we just finished the the letters that will be sent out uh by the end of this week.

Well, I guess that's tomorrow because that's the end of our week.

Okay, great, thank you.

Okay, well, just a quick reminder that um our well, I guess this is a question.

Are we we're doing the lunch and award ceremony again?

Yeah, that's on my update slide.

Oh, that's on your update slide.

Okay, well, I'll wait till that slide then.

Um so I'll just say this.

It was um we had a lot of really great nominations.

It was difficult choosing between the the few categories that had some competition.

Um made me almost wish that we hadn't have changed our rules to voting for one, um, but certainly we can revisit those nominations in the future again.

Um so thank you everyone for your nominations and for voting, and we'll look forward to our award ceremony next month.

Um we will move on to item number nine, two six-0188 HPC one discussion for possible action regarding approval of funding in the amount of five thousand ten dollars to COTS Environmental Consultants Incorporated to complete required revisions to the updated National Register of Historic Places nomination for the Las Vegas Old Mormon Fort located at 500 West Washington Avenue.

Uh statement for the record.

So at our last meeting, I did give everybody an update that there were some additional um comments and information that were required by SHIPO.

I did speak with uh Commissioner Harper, who's our archaeologist specialist, um, as most of them were on um the archaeology of the site that the SHIPO required more information.

Uh so I had the meeting with SHIPO um National Park Service and our CATS environmental art consultants, um, as well as their archaeologist was on the on the call as well, as far as what um changes needed to be made, and CATS submitted the proposal that says they can make all those changes in about uh three to four uh months, maybe shorter for the cost of five thousand ten dollars.

So we just need if the commission wishes to approve this, then we just need the HPC approval to um create a I'll need to create a new contract for uh the consultants.

Uh questions or comments?

I'll make a motion to approve.

Are others ready to accept a motion?

Okay, we have a motion on the floor to approve the amount of five thousand ten dollars to complete the revisions to our Las Vegas Old Mormon Fort National Register nomination.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Commissioner Levine.

Um sorry, Chair Laramie, um, Commissioner Levine sent me a text.

He had to drop off the call.

Oh, okay, thank you.

Uh any opposed.

Great.

That motion carries with the chair voting in favor.

Just a quick question still over the record.

Did we see any uh feedback from the keeper that we need to adjust future renominations?

Uh was there any kind of uh a different feel or or uh statement for the record?

So it's this one is complicated because it involves the archaeological sites and involves restored buildings and it um involves the the landscaping.

So if we have another nominations that is more than just a single building, then yes, we would probably just need to be do a little bit more in-depth research and writing.

Okay, item number 1026-0192, HPC one discussion regarding the National Alliance of Preservation Commissions, um APC Commission Assistance and Mentoring Program Camp.

Uh statement for the record.

So we talked about this a few times, and at our last meeting we did vote on the topics that this commission um wished to have as an in-person camp in Las Vegas for four topics.

Uh during our quarterly meeting with uh SHIPO um come to find out that they are doing a state camp.

So the state camp will be both in person in Carson City as well as available online.

Some of the topics this commission chose are also topics that are going to be at the state um camp.

So the discussion today is does this commission still want to do the um in-person Las Vegas meeting um camp?

Because I understand that it is easier for some some commissioners to stay in in the city.

Um do commissioners wish to um go to Carson City.

SHIPO did say that there are reimbursement grants for this.

If anybody does choose to travel to Carson City for it, the um it would be a two-day event.

One day would be going over, and on the slide here, these are the topics that SHIPO would be covering.

Um, and there would be a second day of tours of historic sites in uh the Carson City in the in the area.

So where we overlap is this commission requested legal basics, which is um going to be offered at the uh state camp, as well as the community engagement and building community support.

That's also another one that this commission chose.

So we do have the other ones that are being offered by the state with the standards and guidelines, meeting procedures, design review, and preservation planning, how to prepare a preservation plan.

Where we differ is um this commission also did ask for um enforcement and violations as well as the community visionary and engagement.

So I just need to know which direction the commission would like to take this.

If nobody wants to go to the Carson City um, we hope people would, or if you are okay with attending virtually online for the Carson City um camp, or continue doing um changing what we want for the Las Vegas in-person camp.

If people are gonna be going to both of them because we don't want to overlap, um it's I just what I need to get your feedback to understand what direction we're gonna go.

Okay, thank you.

Um questions and comments.

Uh Commissioner Cosgrove.

So if we overlap with SHIPO, is it then free for us?

Well, if we let's say if we did it online.

So if we did it virtually, would we have to help them pay for it?

Or is it something it would if we decided we are not gonna do the one in Las Vegas, and I'm not saying that's where we're going.

I'm just saying if that's the decision that is made, then correct.

We would not spend any HPC money.

Um Shippo would cover everything.

Okay.

Or again, we could choose uh different topics as well, and then we'd have to you know come back around and and find out what everybody does want to do.

Commissioner Grimer.

So one of the options with the Las Vegas one I think we had decided on four topics, right?

But for we could also do just maybe a half day and do two topics.

We could do that as well.

My only concern with that is if anybody is unable to travel to Carson City or is unable to participate um virtually.

My question uh stall up for the record is two categories that overlap are legal basis and community support.

Correct.

Uh it would seem to be that all the questions that are going to take place at our meeting in Las Vegas are going to be Las Vegas, Southern Nevada focused rather than a statewide focus.

Uh so to me, there is no real overlap in those in those categories.

Uh uh and the second part of that is even if I attend both sessions, uh I think it's beneficial to uh to attend both sessions, any session that uh that is available.

This is gonna be online and the statewide, that's gonna be great.

Ours is gonna be in person, so we'll be focused on Southern Nevada and Las Vegas, and community support is going to be different statewide than it is in Southern Nevada.

So me uh personally, I'm gonna try and attend as many online that SHIPO is doing as well as the ones in Las Vegas.

I can use any education I can get.

And that's fine, we can do both of them.

It's just I just want to make sure that everybody is aware that there are um the the two camps, and the this camp is um gonna be September 24th and 25th, I believe, and um those were the dates we were looking at, so we need to go back and uh talk to uh the camp trainers to find out what um of other available dates there are.

And the members of the HBC may not be able to attend all four of our sessions here.

They're not required to attend.

I mean, if there's one in the morning or one in the afternoon or they have a business responsibility, they can come and go, right?

Correct, yes.

Okay, thank you.

Um, Commissioner Laramie, I I have attended um camp training in the past, um, both here and also at conferences, and I I do actually think that their trainings are geared to be more um towards your responsibilities as a local commissioner.

So I I don't think that these topics will really be coming from a statewide perspective.

Um I think that's one thing that we can clarify with the camp instructors is how much overlap in content there would be.

Um, so that could help us you know make a decision that if we do want to do both, potentially picking different topics if there'll be a lot of overlap, because my feeling is there likely would be just based on what I've attended in the past.

Um but that said it sounds it sounds like our decision at this juncture really is to decide if we want to do both or just um attend the the SHIPO sponsored camp training.

Correct.

And uh Seymour for the record, this this is just a report, it's not an action item.

So if everybody wants to still do the in-person Las Vegas camp, that's fine.

We'll move forward with that, and then I'll bring um the SHIPO item to uh future meeting um as far as to find out how many commissioners uh want to attend because we will have to pay for it up front with the HBC funds, um, because again, it would be a reimbursement grant, so uh we needed to keep that in to consideration as well.

I'm sorry, do and do we need to pay for the one in Carson City?

No, not the one in Carson City, just the one in Las Vegas.

I mean, well, we do have to pay initially for travel to get there.

But if we just want to do it online.

Oh, if doing it online, right.

I mean, the only thing that we would need money for is the travel and the accommodations.

Oh, okay.

And that's something that SHIPO is able to reimburse us what for I think Commissioner Harper, did you have a question or comment?

Okay.

So um in order to move forward, then Diane, do you want to send out an email or like a a poll to find out how many folks would be interested in the in the statewide camp?

Because it sounds like we well, I don't know if we can vote or make that decision based on how the agenda items written.

No, because this is not a voting item.

Teresa will send out uh she always does um uh the survey poll, I don't know, whatever you call it, and to determine um interest in the the statewide meeting, and again, if it's going to be in person or virtually.

Yeah, Chairman, let's be clear.

She's not gonna she's not sending out uh a poll to the uh majority or uh a quorum of this membership to then vote offline.

I think what I'm hearing is that uh the historic preservation officer needs to know uh which of you are going to select to go up north.

And so you'll just answer yes or no to that.

Yes.

Uh we're not taking a vote, you know, offline without public uh I just want to be clear about that.

Thank thank you for clarifying.

Yes.

Will um if if we can determine the interest um for attending the statewide camp training, then we can come back and decide if we want to continue to pursue a local training as well.

I think the only other thing I would say, and this is a question um for Shippo as well, is is one of the um benefits to potentially continuing to do a local training is um opening it up to other community members um who might be interested.

I know we had some folks um in our public audience last time who expressed interest.

We also do have some nonprofits who may be interested as well.

I don't know if that opportunity is available for them to either travel or attend virtually for um through SHIPO, so that would be another question too.

Okay.

Any other questions or comments?

Okay, we will move on to item number 11, which is a report by the community development department regarding directors' updates.

Uh thank you, Madam Chair Seth Floyd for the record.

Uh, two really quick ones.

Uh one is I reported last time Mike Cunningham uh who was with you for a few meetings, uh, has now been promoted to public works director.

Um so you're stuck with me now for a little while.

It's official.

Um until we find a suitable replacement, I'll be uh back working with Diane and with you all.

Uh and it's always been one of my favorite boards, so I'm excited to be back.

And I was going to introduce you, but I think she had to run.

We have a new communications director, uh Megan Delaney, Diane and her team briefed her yesterday about HBC and Centennial because there's significant content, as you all know, on our website, and it's some of our most popular content uh that deals with the history of Las Vegas, and we have our own history landing page uh that gets a lot of clicks.

So uh we we briefed her on that.

I believe in in a future meeting here pretty soon, she is going to come and uh introduce herself to you and to the Centennial Commission.

So we'll get that scheduled with her.

But uh just wanted to let you know that we have her on board and and she's now up to speed on all things historic preservation here in the city.

Okay, thank you.

Um item number 12 report by the community development department regarding the project update list.

Uh thank you, Sabrant for the record.

And um just a few updates.

Where's my thing?

Um wanted to um let everybody know that I'm gonna talk about the parade here in a minute.

Um, that we did get the um grant award from for the SHIPO grant to do the nomination for the uh Johnny Toko's boxing gym.

I'm still waiting for um the the grant agreement.

So soon as we get the grant agreement, we can move forward.

Um I'll have to put out an RFP for consultants, and then we'll have to get the go through the process of of choosing a consultant.

I'll let everybody know once we are at that point.

So other than that, remember we do have El Dorado Days, the parade coming up on May 9th.

Um hopefully you can um bring your friends and families and watch the parade.

Um we don't have um a float or anything in the parade this year.

Um we are volunteering, so if you do come to the parade, you will see us.

Um they're helping with traffic control and making sure everything moves along slow smoothly and um answer questions.

And so the parade route again, it's on fourth street, and it travels from gas all the way down to um can't read my map.

Oh, Stuart, yes, thank you.

So um hopefully, you know, we always want to make sure that we have a good attendance at these because this is the Centennial Commission funded project.

Um we always like to see uh lots and lots of people.

And this is the biggest um parade that they've had.

Um there are over, I think 130 floats, or not just floats, but entries, horses, people, cars, floats, um, etc.

Uh so it should be a really good parade, and I hope it's not as hot as it has been in the past.

And but there are extra shade shelters um and stands uh to help people stay out of the hot sun.

Our other update is our movie.

This is another centennial commission um funded project.

One of our documentary series is now on the 1980s.

Everybody should have received an invitation some from Teresa.

It is Saturday, May 16th, starting the reception at 6 p.m.

at the Beverly Theater.

The mayor is supposed to be in attendance and she will be giving opening remarks for for the movie.

And we do hope everybody is able to attend because we do like to see a large audience for these.

And if you are unable to attend in person, of course, our KCLB TV does air it at the same time that we air that we play at the live premiere, so you can always watch it on the city's YouTube site.

And of course, they're always added to our website, so you can watch them at any time.

The next one is our awards luncheon.

So this is on our May 27th meeting.

This is when we will be presenting the awards to the award recipients, and we will be having our annual luncheon.

It's actually going to be here at called the um then cafe, which I think is just right across the hallway.

Um and invitations have been sent to all past recipients to ensure that everybody is able to attend if they are able to.

And I have nothing else, so happy to answer questions if there are any it looks like Commissioner Stodl.

Do you have a question?

Uh will the Centennial Commission will they have a float?

I see they're the sponsors of it to some degree.

No, they don't have a float, but they're always invited to join the um city council members to ride on the old fire truck, or you know, if somebody wants to go, and even if anybody from this commission wants to be in the parade, we can just let me know as soon as possible so we can arrange for you to sit in a vehicle.

But we don't have our own float either through HPC or Centennial.

Thank you.

Okay.

Any other questions or comments from the commission?

Okay.

Um, and again, I will just encourage everyone to attend our um May awards luncheon.

Um, did I see that was from two to three?

So you are for the record.

So it's we're trying we always try and keep a very short agenda on May.

Sometimes that's out of our control.

Um, if we get uh any uh submissions for certificate appropriateness or grants.

So it's scheduled to start at one, so we try and have just an hour-long meeting from noon to one, and then go over into the cafe.

If we do run longer than one, obviously um we have to stay, but um the other people that are have already given been given awards in the past would be able to start without us.

Okay, great.

Um, so please do keep that in mind and and put that, reserve that on your calendar if possible.

Um moving on then to item number 13, 26-0189 HPC 1, a report by the community development department regarding historic and archaeological resources in local media.

Um this is our list of um recent article links that have come out.

Does anybody have any comments or questions about those that were provided to us?

Okay, well, as always, thank you for putting this great list together.

It's always um always something on there that I didn't see, so we appreciate the effort there.

Item number 14 discussion regarding topics for future agenda items.

Comments made during this portion of the agenda by individual members shall refer solely to proposals for future agenda items, and any discussion shall be limited to whether or not such proposed items are within the purview of the commission, and or whether such proposed items shall be placed on a future agenda.

No discussion regarding the substance of any such proposed topic shall occur, and no action shall be taken.

Do we have any suggestions for future agenda items today?

Commissioner Grimer.

Uh, Commissioner Grimer, for the record.

Um it probably goes without saying whether it's from the Dapper companies or maybe just part of the director's report to sort of keep us up to speed on what's happening with the new ideas at the for the Hundred.

I don't know if that's a separate agenda item or if it could just be part of the director's report.

Okay, great.

Yeah, we do have the quarterly updates that come from Mr.

Dopper, but I do think if there's you know a significant update in the interim, we could include those either in the director's report or as a separate agenda item.

Thank you.

Um Commissioner Stodal.

The uh uh question about the Floyd Lamb historic information signs.

Uh I'm trying to determine what the action item would be, but I'd like to have uh an action item that would deal with reviewing the content, the accuracy of the existing signs, along with uh recommending any additional uh uh signs that need to be added uh for uh historic information for visitors to the park, uh, and tied with that whether or not any of the existing signs don't contain any really important information, just a review of the existing signs, their accuracy, and a recommendation for any additional uh uh additional signs.

Um also like to understand who makes a decision about whether they're small, large, or extra large.

And at the same time, I'd like the city to uh uh get a copy of what uh the uh state museum system uh what their requirements are for signed ADA elements.

Um these are very important documents uh for the uh for the public to uh to really enjoy this that important state or city facility.

So uh I'm not sure what the action item would be, but it I think we need to move forward on that and maybe present that information staff to the centennial commission as well if the centennial commission is going to be a potential fund making fund supporting uh commission uh on this topic.

I it's it's kind of a mixture between HPC and the centennial, uh, but I'm sure staff will be able to work that out.

Thank you.

Any other suggestions from commissioners today?

Okay, we will move on to item number 15 citizens' participation.

Public comment during this portion of the agenda must be limited to matters within the jurisdiction of the commission.

No subject may be acted upon by the commission unless that subject is on the agenda and is scheduled for action.

If you wish to be heard, please come forward and give your name for the record.

The amount of discussion on any single subject as well as the amount of time any single speaker is allowed, may be limited.

Do we have anybody from the public wishing to speak at this time?

Okay, seeing no one, we are adjourned.

And go nights.

Thank you.