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Lee PCB Advisory Committee Meeting with EPA Representatives - March 2, 2026

Selectboard & Town Boards — Monday, March 2, 2026
BodyLee, Massachusetts
SessionSelectboard & Town Boards
DateMonday, March 2, 2026
StatusFILED
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Speaker numbers apply only to this recording. Names come from transcript evidence. “Possibly” marks uncertain attribution.

Speaker 1

0:00

Monday, March 2nd, I'm going to call the meeting to order.

0:03

Pursuant to Mass General Law, Chapter 30A and Section 20.

0:08

I'm hereby informing all attendees that a video and audio recording is being made of the meeting.

0:16

As promised, second item business, we have public comment.

0:20

Anyone from the public who might have something to say, questions, whatever.

0:26

Hearing none, moving on.

Speaker 2 · Possibly David Ball

0:28

I absolutely would like to submit as evidence.

Speaker 1

0:32

If you

Speaker 2 · Possibly David Ball

0:32

could just

Speaker 1

0:33

uh if you could just step up to the stand and identify yourself.

Speaker 2 · Possibly David Ball

0:36

David Ball, 620 Stackbridge Rogue.

Speaker 1

0:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2 · Possibly David Ball

0:40

So I I went to get my fish and hunting license, and when I stopped at the uh department uh fish and wildlife, they have this on the collar explaining about PCBs and how it affects wildlife and children and everybody else.

0:57

I'd like to submit this as evidence.

Speaker 1

1:00

Okay, you can bring it right up to the table here.

1:03

We'll give it to Sabrina to log in.

Speaker 3

1:05

Thanks.

Speaker 1

1:06

Thank you very much, Dave.

1:12

Any other public comments?

1:14

Hearing none, we'll move on.

1:16

Uh approval of the minutes.

Speaker 4

1:27

All the way at the end.

1:28

So the last two pages.

Speaker 1

1:31

Oh, yes, yeah.

1:35

That was from February 13th, wasn't

Unassigned speaker

1:37

it?

Speaker 5

1:38

I'll move it to be second.

Speaker 1

1:41

We have a motion to approve in a second.

1:44

Is there any further discussion?

1:46

Hearing none, all those in favor?

1:48

Aye.

1:49

Opposed.

1:50

Unanimous vote.

1:52

Moving on to main order business, the committee discussion, uh QA with EPA representatives.

1:58

So I'll start off by saying uh as the chair, there's certain well-established facts which I would prefer not to go in tonight because we we have until 7 30 tonight uh to ask questions, get questions answered to uh get a better understanding of where we stand today in terms of the proposed UDF.

2:22

It's been well established that the people of Town of Lee are very unhappy, do not want this dump at all.

2:31

And it's been well established that we feel we've been uh that we've been used and abused, that it's been an unfair process, that the uh that the uh permit should never have been issued given the structure of the negotiations.

2:46

That it's all been established.

2:48

And between town meetings were where there were town reps, uh open town meetings, uh measures on the ballot, overwhelmingly, but and and round figures about 70% of the voters are opposed to this project.

3:04

I'm just putting that on the table.

Unassigned speaker

3:06

So

Speaker 1

3:06

that's already we already know that.

3:08

The reason we're here tonight, these folks uh have come a long distance from the EP, they're from in with the EPA.

3:15

So Sabrina, thank you for all the name tags.

3:17

I was gonna ask everybody to introduce themselves, but great job.

3:21

Uh we're here to ask questions to get a better understanding of where we are today and where we may be going.

3:30

Okay, so this is an informational hearing, and uh that's why we're here.

3:36

Not to complain about the situation, not to uh go on and on and on about how bad the situation is that's been established.

3:45

So that being said, Josh, do you have any sort of opening statement that you wanted to make or

Speaker 6

3:51

yeah?

3:52

I would just like to send our appreciation for the invitation.

3:54

I know I spoke with several of you at the uh open house that we had in December on the um the UDF construction, and uh there was some expression of wanting to come and have us join one of these meetings and share information and have an open dialogue.

4:09

Um so first of all, thank you for the invitation, and uh I hope this isn't our only discussion.

4:14

We're more than happy to continue discussions in the future.

4:17

Uh there's one new face around the table.

4:19

Well, maybe not new face um for some, but uh I did invite uh Brian Olson, who is our director of the Superfund uh section, uh, to be here uh to help answer any questions if there's specifics regarding uh the agency and um making sure that we have the the staff and workforce to continue the work that we're doing um specifically at this site.

4:43

Uh Brad, do you want to add anything?

Speaker 7

4:45

I'll just add that I'm not new to here.

Unassigned speaker

4:48

I was a 24-year-old project manager in Pittsfield uh for EPA back when the project first started and we started finding all this contamination on people's in people's yards and oil bubbling out of the river and then isotonic up and piss the other and everything.

Speaker 7

5:04

So I've been involved with this for like 30, 30 more years.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Environmental Protection████████████████████████████████████████40%
Water And Wastewater Management██████████████████████████████30%
Engineering And Infrastructure█████████████13%
Public Engagement████████████12%
Procedural███3%
Electromagnetic Radiation Safety██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Lee PCB Advisory Committee Meeting with EPA Representatives - March 2, 2026

[The Lee PCB Advisory Committee met on March 2, 2026, with representatives from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for an informational hearing on the cleanup of PCB-contaminated sediments in the Housatonic River and the proposed Upland Disposal Facility (UDF). The chair established ground rules that the meeting was not for re-litigating opposition to the project, which was well documented, but for asking technical questions and understanding current status. The committee and public had opportunities to ask questions of EPA’s team, including Josh (project manager), Brian Olson (director of Superfund section for New England), and John Kilborn (site attorney).]

Public Comments & Testimony

  • David Ball, a resident, submitted a flyer from the Massachusetts Department of Fish and Wildlife about PCB risks to wildlife and children, expressing concern about the contamination.
  • Gail, another resident, described episodes of poor air quality near her home, which she attributed to an asphalt plant under certain weather conditions, and asked EPA to consider monitoring for PCBs during similar conditions. She expressed concern about cumulative effects.

Consent Calendar

  • The committee unanimously approved the minutes from the February 13, 2026 meeting.

Discussion Items

  • EPA-GE Relationship & Enforcement: EPA explained that the 2000 Consent Decree with GE (now GE Aerospace) is a contract with no termination date, holding GE liable in perpetuity. EPA can enforce through stipulated penalties, take over work, or access a $150 million performance bond (issued by Zurich America) if GE fails to perform. The financial assurance bond is separate from oversight costs; EPA has about $20 million in a special account for oversight, the largest team in New England.
  • Oversight & Community Reporting: EPA will have a construction trailer on site, full-time oversight during critical activities (e.g., liner installation, dredging), and air monitoring with conservative action levels. Data will be posted on GE’s website (seven-day rolling) and monthly reports to EPA. EPA is developing periodic fact sheets for the public. Tours of the UDF will be arranged for the committee and elected officials.
  • Sediment Acceptance Criteria: Sediment placed in the UDF must average less than 25 parts per million (ppm) per reach; floodplain soils must average less than 50 ppm. No individual vertical core averaging 100 ppm or greater can go to the UDF—it must be shipped off-site. New data from pre-design investigations shows that reach 6 (Woods Pond) sediment averages only 3.5 ppm, well below the 25 ppm criteria.
  • Dewatering & Water Treatment: Hydraulic dredging will generate large volumes of water, to be treated via a multi-stage system (chemical treatment, filtration, granular activated carbon) and discharged clean back to the river. Geotubes will dewater sediment. EPA noted that dewatering water volumes are extensive but manageable, similar to New Bedford Harbor. A water treatment system will be constructed on site.
  • Groundwater Monitoring: Extensive existing and new monitoring wells (shown on a map) will track groundwater quality around the UDF for PCBs and other analytes in perpetuity.
  • Project Sequencing: EPA is pushing GE to accelerate cleanup by performing work on reach 5A and Woods Pond simultaneously, which could allow Woods Pond to be capped in less than five years, reducing overall project duration and community disruption.

Key Outcomes

  • No substantive votes were taken; the meeting was informational.
  • EPA committed to providing written answers on: the specifics of the $150 million bond (whether cash or performance bond and duration), and long-term liability coverage beyond the bond period.
  • The committee and EPA agreed to continue regular meetings (every two weeks) and EPA will return for future discussions as needed.
  • The meeting adjourned with appreciation from the chair for the detailed information provided.

Meeting Transcript

Monday, March 2nd, I'm going to call the meeting to order. Pursuant to Mass General Law, Chapter 30A and Section 20. I'm hereby informing all attendees that a video and audio recording is being made of the meeting. As promised, second item business, we have public comment. Anyone from the public who might have something to say, questions, whatever. Hearing none, moving on. I absolutely would like to submit as evidence. If you could just uh if you could just step up to the stand and identify yourself. David Ball, 620 Stackbridge Rogue. Yeah. So I I went to get my fish and hunting license, and when I stopped at the uh department uh fish and wildlife, they have this on the collar explaining about PCBs and how it affects wildlife and children and everybody else. I'd like to submit this as evidence. Okay, you can bring it right up to the table here. We'll give it to Sabrina to log in. Thanks. Thank you very much, Dave. Any other public comments? Hearing none, we'll move on. Uh approval of the minutes. All the way at the end. So the last two pages. Oh, yes, yeah. That was from February 13th, wasn't it? I'll move it to be second. We have a motion to approve in a second. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Opposed. Unanimous vote. Moving on to main order business, the committee discussion, uh QA with EPA representatives. So I'll start off by saying uh as the chair, there's certain well-established facts which I would prefer not to go in tonight because we we have until 7 30 tonight uh to ask questions, get questions answered to uh get a better understanding of where we stand today in terms of the proposed UDF. It's been well established that the people of Town of Lee are very unhappy, do not want this dump at all. And it's been well established that we feel we've been uh that we've been used and abused, that it's been an unfair process, that the uh that the uh permit should never have been issued given the structure of the negotiations. That it's all been established. And between town meetings were where there were town reps, uh open town meetings, uh measures on the ballot, overwhelmingly, but and and round figures about 70% of the voters are opposed to this project. I'm just putting that on the table. So that's already we already know that. The reason we're here tonight, these folks uh have come a long distance from the EP, they're from in with the EPA. So Sabrina, thank you for all the name tags. I was gonna ask everybody to introduce themselves, but great job. Uh we're here to ask questions to get a better understanding of where we are today and where we may be going. Okay, so this is an informational hearing, and uh that's why we're here. Not to complain about the situation, not to uh go on and on and on about how bad the situation is that's been established. So that being said, Josh, do you have any sort of opening statement that you wanted to make or yeah?

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