Like actually professionally rides scheduled and they bailed seven hours before and I was like, oh crap.

Sorry, we're a little bit late here.

We had a previous meeting and a real quick dinner after it.

It is 6.07 and tonight is September 23rd.

Well, excuse me, the date is September 23rd, 2025.

This is the pre-council session.

I'd like to welcome everybody here.

We'd like to start this off with an opening prayer, and I've asked Michelle if she would take care of that for us today.

Our father in heaven, we are grateful for this great city that we live in.

And now we have the opportunity to work through issues and um do good things for the residents who live here.

Bless bless uh councilmember conde who's not here and bless his family at this time um with the things that are going through.

Uh we ask you to bless um our residents, our staff, our first responders, all those who make Lehigh such a great place to live that they can have peace in their lives and be uh safe and protected.

Um we ask you to bless our community at this time with the recent tragedy that um the community, the residents, the people could come together with greater love towards one another, and these things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Thank you.

Okay, we have two presentations tonight.

Uh uh first one is item two point one.

That's the discussion of the parking at Lehigh City or Lehigh High School, and item two point two is discussion participating in the UAM's Fremont Solar and Battery Storage Project.

And I'm not sure who's going to be discussing the one on the school.

Is that you, Luke?

Yeah.

Okay, come on up.

I I can at least kick off the discussion.

I know I've not been the only one uh looking at this.

But here is our municipal code.

Um, and this is the portion that talks about residential permit parking.

So here's Lehigh High School, and the area to the east in red is permit parking only.

So residents in that neighborhood can get two parking permits to park on the street and one guest parking permit, so a total of three for each each home.

But students are not allowed to park there.

And the area in yellow is no parking at all during school hours.

So from 7 a.m.

to 7 p.m.

no one's allowed to park in the place places in yellow.

The changes we're looking at is 500 east is wide enough for parking on both sides of the road.

Um also on 300 north here between uh 400 east and 300 east.

There's no homes fronting on on the south side, and then also along the post office here.

There's obviously no homes fronting, and there's potential for some to open that up to students for parking.

So here's it's probably kind of hard to see, but here's 500 east.

The blue lines are site triangles I've laid out for intersections and major driveways.

And the white boxes are where we could add potential student parking places or open parking places for anyone during school hours.

Um again, they total 23.

Um, the east side, but there are a few on the west side.

So that that's an option that we could look at to add a few more student parking.

Um at junior highs and elementary schools, we've often had problems with park people parking on the far side from the school and setting their kids across the road.

But I think with and we may have that problem here too.

We but that's something we could we could evaluate and look at and maybe change if we do have a problem with students parking here and then running across the road to school.

I know at um at Sky Ridge, we have that that's happening now here on 3200 north.

We have students parking on the north side of the road.

There hasn't been an issue with with that with students darting across the road here, but that's something to keep in mind.

300 north, this is the area, none of these homes front here.

This is a garage.

This isn't a home here.

It's a but it has a garage and storage.

Um, but there's no homes at front on the north side.

We could add it's wide enough to add angle parking and still have parallel parking on the far side.

Um so and that could open up 15 parking places for students there as well.

Um at least and this one is along the post office on 400 east.

It's wide enough for angled parking there as well.

We could add eight parking stalls there for students as well.

And all three of these scenarios would require a change to to our municipal code.

Um essentially essentially removing the yellow lines along or the orange lines along 500 east, removing the red line on the south side here, and removing the red line here along the post office on 400 east.

Look, I may be misremembering, but some years ago, didn't we have a little thing where the post office people were parking along the street, and everybody said no, you have to park inside the post office fence.

I am I making this up okay.

That was a thing.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

You're gonna want to think about that.

I I see.

So we had post office workers parking here.

Yeah, and then we're we're told no, you can't park here, you have to park.

So there is a chance that post office workers may fill up these stalls.

I mean potentially.

I'm I'm not even sure how that turned into a thing.

100% they would fill up those stalls.

Okay, gotcha.

All right.

So that may not be a great option.

So you're thinking these would be just open to anybody, these wouldn't be part of the permitting program.

Exactly.

They'd just be removed from permitting.

I fifth east is red curbed, so we would likely paint the curbette or gray in the areas where they're allowed to park, but leave the curb red, but yeah, but remove it from the parking permit system.

You know what's gonna happen on fifth east, even if we paint the boxes for them to park in.

Uh-huh.

Right.

Once they're full, the people are gonna there'll be more people parking outside of those.

Gotcha.

Okay, they're they're not gonna care about your side triangles.

They may not.

But it it'll remain red curbed, and those areas can remain signed, you know, no parking.

It's like no stopping standing parking on school days from 7 a.m.

to 7 p.m.

So those those signs and the red curb could remain outside of these boxes.

But um just a way to get a few more parking stalls there.

We are looking at a change.

Uh this is this wouldn't require a municipal code change.

Here's the area north of 300 north on 500 east on both sides of the road.

It's grassy areas.

Uh some students park there now in there, but they have big trucks able to jump over the curb, and there's some trailers stored here and RVs stored here on this one side, but um, it's UDOT property, they're and they're willing to deed it over to the city, and then the thinking is that the school district would um would could then lease it from the city.

We would have them improve it at their cost, have them engineer it.

You know, I've laid it out like this, but this might not be the best way to do it.

Um, but that's something uh we're looking at as well.

And it and Heather, I believe the that they're talking the school district's talking about this tonight at their school board meeting.

They they had their capital planning this morning, and we're talking about it.

So they're they're moving on it too at the same time.

We are is looking at potential with it.

So and the way I've laid it out, I you know, I've come up with 66 stalls, but that may not be what we you know what's possible in the end.

I may have got ahead of myself, but I'm sure you may all be aware that the church the the issue at this is that the church is no longer allowing students to park in the church parking lot.

So they've lost a hundred and seventy-eight parking stalls in this church, and so that's been the issue.

Sorry, I should have started with that.

Well, that is private park parking, so that's their prerogative.

Right.

Yep.

Luke, you could also talk about the outdoor pool and the and the pathways to let's look at that.

Yeah, we have so given the outdoor pool has a hundred and forty-eight parking stalls in all of these areas.

Um we did chase down this a potential route through here, up uh by O'Reilly's and through here.

I talked to O'Reilly's corporate office in Springville, Missouri.

They didn't seem very uh amenable and said it would have to be take a long time to work through this, and I have to go through their legal department.

Um so what's been available is there is a gate right here.

Um so people can walk through this gate.

There's apartments here.

Uh here is uh little Caesars, so students can walk through this parking lot and up and around and cross at the signal at 500 east.

Um I have checked this parking lot a few times this week and last week, and I've counted 30 cars.

So there are students parking here.

So I've counted 30 cars parking in this north end, and they're taking this route around.

Lauren also looked into potentially working with Arctic Circle to get a route through here, but that's that's also a probably a difficult route because there's a pump house right here.

Well, there's a big elevation change there too.

There is a big elevation change.

We were able to slope it up, but the right there where we make the turn is the well for the pet home.

It's right smacking the way.

Yeah, there's a big elevation change, and O'Reilly's has no trespassing signs there.

They've had problems with students vandalizing as well.

So they um yeah, you can see there's a big I'll show you the elevation change there, but drop down, it drops down quite a bit back there.

Okay.

Uh zoom back out.

Let's look at the plan of this whole school.

So this is like frustrating for me because this is the third time I've been asked out, if you will, by the school district to try to solve their problem.

And when they were going through the design of the school, we were involved in a number of conversations about the site and parking.

And I distinctly remember them assuring us that they were giving that strong consideration that wouldn't be a problem because they were adding all that those parking stalls behind the school.

Doesn't seem to be very accurate.

Nope.

I have I I I guess I you know we we continue to try to solve this problem that's really not our problem.

Yep.

And uh we we we talked to them before that they may have to buy some property, you know, and build a parking lot.

And I'm still of that opinion.

We just we were talking about the same solutions.

We've been talking about by the the one of the pool that's come up every time the whole O'Reilly's thing, which was back, well, it was whatever it was back then, Checker Auto, right?

Back then uh we talked about expanding fifth and east on both sides of the road.

That idea's come up before.

Yeah.

And the last time, you know, one time the church stepped in and said, okay, we'll let them park there.

But they've had they've had good reasons why they don't want that to happen anymore.

Right.

But they really they just really need to find some property.

Uh they've had that when they expanded the school, they had to buy some homes out.

And I think whatever we do now is just nothing more than a temporary solution.

Um I don't ask me where they're gonna have to buy property, but they're gonna have to find something.

Right.

It's one of the questions for the council.

Are you okay having you dot d us that property so we could I I think that's just a question we want to make sure that's okay.

That's the obvious solution there.

Yeah, I think we we want that no matter what.

I just want to make sure we can have some heading nods and has impact.

Yeah.

So would we have to pay for the improvements there?

No, but I think what he's worked out is that the school district would have to go in and design and improve that.

Right.

Uh but we it has to come to UW won't let them on that property if that's correct.

Udot won't deed it directly to the school district, but they'll deed it to us, and then we can lead it, uh lease it to the school district, and it would be like yeah, up to them to engineer it and design, and then we review it, of course, and and then to build it as well.

That was the thinking.

Can you show where it is on the bigger in relation to the school, I guess?

Yes, cool.

It's yellow I don't know these are grass department blows it down twice a year and I know that because I get resident complaints about it getting overgrown.

Some residents will lose their camp or parking and trailer parking but um it is well you might find a camper trailer in that parking lot so that's true we might so with the parking will it cause traffic I mean could they pull in pull out is what I'm thinking worried about you know that's a good question.

I I know at the end of school this backs up it's gonna probably be something where they may have to wait until traffic dies down to get out but I have seen at the end of the school this this queue up the bridge probably at least this far is what I saw on the day I observed so they would it will probably be harder to get out of there at the end of school and that's where I liked having that driveway so they weren't trying to back up onto that road it wasn't just a you know parking stalls right off the road.

Yeah how wide is that asphalt you know at the road measure that yeah yeah I can measure that not not of the road but of the parking area.

Oh yeah I have it's um 38 roughly 38 feet if they do it to this this length that's not just side of the road parking that's full on parking lot that's not yeah that's probably not wide enough.

For per for perpendicular parking gotcha and you can't put in diagonal unless you have to an entry and an exit.

Right and that that may be hard to have an entry down here right by the stop sign or here.

So they may they may have to get creative.

One thought was can they just widen the road there and put angle parking right against the road but I don't know if we'd want to do that.

No what what you could do is you you could put a concrete barrier where the curb is now and do have a do have an entry lane like if you're northbound have an entry lane right after the intersection to pull in and then put diagonal parking in and then have a pull out on the exit up here.

So you just have a one-way lane in there and that gives them the room to do that.

Yeah.

The other one you'd have to have do the same thing from the opposite direction but it's hard where the stop is where the stop sign is and if it's southbound sign it is to a tough one.

Yeah then you don't have to have them back out do a three-point turn to get out of the parking lot.

Yep.

That makes sense mayor that that is for them to work out.

Yeah you don't have any feedback yet on the capital projects discussion not for here but yeah it was it was discussed um but I think I think it's a good option that we can at least we can secure it if they're willing to deed it to us and we could have it in the city and whether or not the school district moves forward with it I guess that's on them.

I think the important thing is that this would be you know for them to design to lease to to pay for the improvements of it.

And you know there's still a possibility of um a lease happening with the church as well but I think with what's going on with the school and the amount of growth that we have that the the parking is not going to go away.

It's not gonna go down the the need for it is just going to increase.

Yeah.

So what do you need from us?

Would so we can we'll we'll pursue getting that deeded over and and leasing to the school then and then I guess the other question is is there an appetite to make an adjustment to the municipal code for this parking or on the ones that are angled or would they be deep enough for a larger truck zoom in on those again of course yeah.

What's your dimensions there for the parking for the diagonal so I have nine nine feet width and I think the you know the length is 16 and a half sixteen and a half depth yeah it'll handle most vehicles but the problem is is you're backing out into an eleven and a half foot lane which that's gonna be negotiate for some vehicles and some kids frankly it it will be yeah and these are teenagers.

And they are teenagers that's true.

Um I I don't know how everybody else feels, but for my part, I would like to go a little bit further down the path of seeing what we could do with extra parking before we go changing the municipal code if we can.

Okay.

Schools started their adjusting at the moment, but I want to see what we can do with that first.

Okay.

That makes sense.

But I'm just one.

Yeah, I'm I'm kind of okay either way, where I feel like this is a way to get some parking for them quicker because painting is a lot easier than what they might have to do as far as improvement, just and the timelines of being able to get the property to get it over to us and a lease and them to I don't know if they can even go in and do the improvement this year with cold weather coming and everything too.

Oh right.

Um but I don't know.

This I know uh opening that code up brings a lot of uh exciting and stuff too.

I don't know how much we want to touch of that.

Um just took a long time to hammer out and the dust finally settled from it.

I know that it's getting worse and worse and with the church change, but it's just it's a rough process to try and make it get that right.

And if we did open it up for the parking on this road right there that you've got the sight lines on, right.

I'd probably be okay with the ones in front of the high school, but where you're only getting like one or two spots on the other side.

I mean, at the end of the day, if it stays signed and painted, it can be ticketed, but I think it just would be rife for abuse where on the other side it's like okay, yeah, you can string six, seven spots together that that makes sense.

Having one Z two Z along that other side, right?

I think it would be problematic.

So I agree with that assessment.

There's fifteen park outside those they'll stack more.

Right.

So it's fifty fifteen stalls on this high school side of the road.

Yeah, which I think serves as benefit, and it and it kind of ties along with what is already on Main Street where there are painted stalls, so it kind of flows like it kind of makes sense with what is already there.

Yeah, it flows around the corner there.

Exactly.

Yeah, so it would be a natural teaching our kids how to parallel park.

Okay.

All right.

Well, I think that gives us what we need to know and move forward.

Thank you.

Okay, item 2.2 is discussion on participating with UAMps.

Joel.

Yeah, this is uh just a preliminary, just a heads up that um this project uh got some progress.

There's a lot of projects we're looking at and there's a lot of transmission constraints.

This is one that popped up and moved forward um as a pop as an opportunity.

So um I'm just kind of here to see if there's anything particular uh that you'd like to focus on and we come back and we'll work through it a little bit more, probably like the end of October.

Um if there's specific details you'd like to know on the project.

We can go through those.

I'll shoot out the executive summary to you guys if that's helpful um before then, but I don't know if there's anything else you want to know.

Um there was some hesitation um to participate in this project or not.

But as we've started through the numbers uh looking closer in the details in our analysis, it does look like there's room for this project.

And it looks like the cost of this energy will match almost exactly what our blended wholesale cost is, so it's not gonna add increased pressure upward or down.

Um it's kind of just stabilizes things and gives us more more energy.

So we can get into more of those details, but if there's something specific you want me to come back with at the end of October, I'm happy to do that.

Otherwise I'll shoot that summary over.

Yeah, I like I said before, just interested in why you changed your mind on this and uh with the battery storage part.

Is it is it solar and two separate things, like there's gonna be solar generating facility, right?

Yeah, it's solar, and then there'll be batteries on site.

Okay.

And so um, yeah, the biggest hesitation when we first looked at it quickly was that um we were worried about if we have this extra energy, not extra, but we have more energy.

We've also signed up to participate in a natural gas plant for a baseload and a peaking natural gas plant.

The cost of that of those products will depend on how much they're utilized.

The more we utilize them, the cheaper they get.

So we're worried that if we have this energy, will it offset those and we use them less and now it everything is costing more.

So that was the preliminary worry, but as we have dove deep and iteration of iteration in the in the numbers, we found that it won't by 2031 when those other projects come online and our growth uh we put in three percent, it will utilize all of these projects.

And so it looks like it is favorable and it won't back those down.

Okay.

But um the battery storage in particular.

I kind of looked into it.

Is it four hours?

Is that what they're looking at?

Is that that's very typical.

They don't really do more than four hour batteries.

Um so it's just built and designed to discharge that.

Uh I think it's it'll be in the executive summary.

I think it's 49 megawatts.

That'll be dispatched over four hours.

How many megawatts?

I think it'll be in there.

Let's just look, so I'm not making this up.

Yeah, 49 and a half megawatt four hour duration.

So the total would be 198 megawatt hours.

And then that's so the your energy price, just the energy from the solar, is going to be $35, no escalation.

But then you'll add the batteries on top of that, which are expensive.

That's what brings the cost up to around $73.

But you're getting capacity.

So in other words, sun sets, we get four more hours of generation that we can we can utilize.

So then we can have power into like 10 o'clock.

Is this are they gonna have to build transmission lines from this?

That's what made this pop up so quickly is there's constraints everywhere else, but this one, this project.

Um I believe I'd have to look into the details for sure, but I think another applicant for the transmission interconnection fell off, and that they were like next in line.

So we can now move forward quicker.

Which is good great timing because with the big beautiful bill, they're sunsetting a lot of uh invest uh tax incentives, and those um have to be those have to be construction has to be started by July of 2026.

So the timing is good that we can still take person um advantage of that.

Okay, so one of the concerns is with solar, you don't get much from it, and the cost of transmitting it is high.

So is it cost effective?

You know, yeah.

So this is a all those are really good things to keep in mind.

This is nice because it's a power purchase agreement.

So we're agreeing to purchase this power at the um the what did I say, 30 $35?

Yeah, the $35 per megawatt hour, and then the battery, the way those are cost is $13.50 per kilowatt month.

All those costs go into the power purchase agreement.

So if we get a if you get a bad sun, like uh not a very sunny month, and we end up only getting like 15% instead of 30, we pay for 15% because that's what delivered.

And there's also guarantees in place that if in the agreements, usually in PPAs, that they have to deliver a certain amount.

So that protects us from a lot of those variability from a lot of that variability.

Because it's kind of on them that they have to deliver even with those costs factored in their PPA.

Okay.

But you'll send us the summary.

Yep, and um Ryan will go through the PPA with us, and um, I believe we'll be that'll be in your packets too, and we can go through that.

They're really fun reads.

But yeah, good questions, thank you.

Okay.

Anything else?

Questions.

We were storing batteries here where this is battery storage project.

It I will say that this is a little bit of diversification.

We don't have any battery storage right now, so it's another component that we don't have.

So we got batteries or these.

I believe they're lithium ion.

It's typically yeah, they're triple A's, it's truckloads, triple A's.

Double A's were too much.

All right, council.

Do you have any questions on the agenda tonight?

Okay, hearing none.

Uh administrative report.

Nothing from me, Mary.

Nothing.

Okay.

Uh Council.

Anything on your individual report?

I do.

I have a couple things.

Um as you know, the environmental sustainability committee is here to do another work tonight, so that's great.

Um, but for the parks trails and trees, I think we're gonna go with parks and trails committee.

So that there's a little bit more of a citizen input and accountability process.

So that's going to come up for you before too much longer.

They sent also some things to Ryan to look over when he's out.

But I told him I'd give you guys a heads up that that's going to be coming, and that's something they're working towards.

And I think most of us, you know.

I know Chris is the liaison for the youth council, but they did some really fun things for the retreat.

So kudos to Sherry and Denton Tyr and Mellon, all those all those people.

That was super fun to go see all those kids.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Those are great kits.

That's a that's a really good program.

I'm glad we do that.

And that's all I have to say.

Anything else?

I do.

Of course, more unveilings.

Yeah, we got two in October.

Um, October 2nd is the Thomas Austin home.

These are starting at 6 now since the sun is going down.

And then um the 23rd is the flood of 1983.

It makes me feel old that we're there was a historic event in my lifetime, I guess.

Um November, possibly the tabernacle.

We're waiting to hear some things from the LDS Church.

And uh Hutchings Museum, um, they had their employee appreciation day this month, and they hope that we're looking at ways of getting more employees to come to that so they can enjoy that there.

And just another fun thing, they're doing October 3rd and 4th is magical museum.

So if you can get the word out about that, it looks really fun.

So give us a little idea of what that is.

I don't know.

It looks very Harry Potter ish to me.

So I think it's there.

It has some moves and family members that will be attending.

It looks fun.

Um just plug for Lehigh Arts Council Mousetrap opens October 3rd through the 18th.

And it's in the there at the Arts Council building.

It's one of my favorites ever.

Yeah.

I wanted to pull up something, but my computer is having a little hard time pulling it up.

I don't know if I can pull up the data on my oh, there it goes.

There we go.

But it will still probably take a little while to load.

Uh our service day activity, we finally got the email today on where it sat with some of the other uh years.

You've seen that I imagine page, you get that.

Uh do you have I can't log in for some reason.

Do you have it up on your phone real quick or on your computer, your laptop?

Because I'm having to go through two levels of security here, and it's just taking me some time.

Yeah, um retrospective coming up.

Here we go.

All right.

Yeah, I have the slides up.

Which one do you want?

If you're ever year volunteers, it was slightly down this year.

Down a little bit, but not much.

And we I think we thought it was going to be down a little bit more than that.

Yeah.

Um but the other the other items in the spreadsheet looked really well.

Yeah, I'll pass it down.

You can go over the highlights.

I appreciate it.

It's always when you're in a hurry and you open up your computer, it decides to update and everything else.

I'm frankly surprised mine's working.

Okay, so uh actually your spreadsheets aren't working.

Maybe it's you.

Yeah, it might just be me, but I read it earlier today.

So for some reason, yours isn't working either there.

So if you remember off the top of your head, but at the end of the day, we had we had probably if I remember numbers, we probably had about 500 or so fewer participants, but uh in a lot of the other categories, I I think we exceeded some of our expectations, and I think that was a good uh a good thing.

We had a lot more activities this last year for people to participate in.

Uh there were some new ones that uh uh I think were interesting, but particularly the events that took place over at Lehigh High School.

We had a lot of participation there.

I mean the quilts, the number of quilts that were tied, there were like 500 quilts tied that one morning.

So uh that was a pretty that was a big number, more than we've ever had in the past.

So uh it was a good event.

Looking forward to it every year, and I'm glad to see that Lehigh Service is doing such a good job of managing that.

So uh kudos kudos to them and all the work they do.

Uh another thing, since we have some time I wanted to bring out we've had a series of meetings about the transit situation coming down into Lehigh.

We had one as late today with MAG.

Uh it is going to be on the next MAG agenda.

I'd like to invite the council here and encourage them to attend that MAG meeting in that presentation, right?

And if you have an opportunity to speak out during the public comment, this might be a very good time to do that.

Uh I'll get you some more information.

Uh we're going to be doing some work to prepare for that, but basically, it's to ask the board members, which are the rest of the mayors in Utah County.

What do you want to see?

You know, how do you see transit taking taking shape to serve in the the best way possible, Utah County.

So we're gonna look at the two alternatives that have already been proposed by the state and uh have an opportunity to speak towards that, and it will be an action item, so there will be a vote, and that's why I think it'd be important, and I encourage all of you to speak if you you know when you have that opportunity.

That will probably you ask me once again.

I'm still waiting for things to come up.

Let me check on my phone.

I showed MPO meeting that night.

That will be I think the ninth.

That will be the ninth.

What time?

Okay.

Uh 5:30.

Okay, and I'll get that we'll get that information to you.

I think that's all I got right now.

So uh that being said, did you have something?

Executive session.

Oh, yes.

Uh sorry.

We'll have to go into an executive session for real estate, right?

Uh litigation.

Litigation, sorry, litigation.

Oh, that's right.

I'll take a motion for that.

Mayor I move that we go into a closed session to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation.

I have a motion.

Do I have a second?

Signa?

And a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Those who are here, we're going to go into uh with a pledge of allegiance.

Um I asked uh Paige to help us with that tonight.

And Paige, if you'll do that.

I forgot to be able to do that.

And to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

All right, thank you, Paige.

It's a matter of roll call.

We uh do have uh uh our council members are present uh tonight with the exception of Chris Condy, who is excused right now, and I believe he's going to show up if he has time tonight.

So we'll note that when he if he uh is able to attend uh we do have uh item number 2.1 is uh yard of the month presentation, Todd.

If you want to get up and take care of that.

Thank you, Mayor, council.

This is uh the last water wise award of the year, unfortunately.

It's getting darker out there.

Um I have Montana Hamilton with me.

He chairs our environmental sustainability committee.

Uh and we have kind of a unique uh award uh this month that kind of we're gonna wing it.

How's that?

So or Montanay will wing it.

Um you don't have it up or not is the screen it's providing from your laptop.

You may need to duplicate what what do I need to do?

There is a maybe on extends, we'll just oh there, awesome.

Thanks.

Okay.

Okay, so yeah, you're up.

So just so this month some of the members found a really cool landscape here in here in Lehigh.

Um unfortunately the people that live in it have a hard time getting out or or don't like getting out.

I guess that landscape helps them not have to maintain so much being very older.

But Lauren happens to be related to them, so he's going to accept their award on their behalf.

But we have a really cool little video of this particular landscape.

That uh they took the time to uh landscape with water wise landscaping.

Uh the uh the home is kind of Lauren, maybe you can explain it.

It's his sister's house, so this is a little video going, but it's a twin home, I guess.

Is that what it is?

And uh and so the his sister lives on one side and and her granddaughter lives on the other side.

Correct.

Okay.

And so when we went to the the driveway's a really large driveway, but it's uh all pavers, and I thought you know they're being really sustainable, but she works for or she owned uh Lehigh Block, and so they got Might have got a deal.

Yeah, might have got a deal and some blocks.

But anyway, it's uh it's a great great landscape.

It's nice, they've done a great job with it.

Um and uh we didn't know Lauren's sister owned it.

It's nice in in this area that uh residents are really starting to take care of you know getting zeroscape uh going more in a not a zeroscape but a water wise landscape type of a perspective.

So anyway, um we're gonna give the bag of swag the Lorne, and uh that's gonna conclude our water wise uh program of the year.

So we'll start off in the spring again in 2026 with a uh waterwise parade of homes and start the program again.

So do we get to hear Lauren speak or anything?

Yeah, we want to have a my my sister's eighty-eight, or my my my sister, her husband is eighty-eight.

She's eighty-seven, but he cannot get out at night.

So she has to be there, and all of her kids, she's got a bunch of kids.

They're all busy tonight.

Bobby's a nurse, and she's the other one that lives in the other side.

He uh he wouldn't come down here even if he had to.

Uh and Bobby's nursing night, he's taking care of kids, and she called me and says, Well, you go down.

I said, Okay.

But she lives in, she actually owns the house.

She lives in one side, and they live in the other, and they're buying her out as time goes on.

But it it really is a neat facility.

They uh and they love it.

It's been really it's an old neighborhood, and they've just kind of stabilized that neighborhood with this.

It's really made it nice.

So thank you.

It's nice on her behalf.

I told her to try to find this, but I'm not sure she'll be able to do that.

I told her how to go.

Well, that's gonna make it to her house, right?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know what depends on what's in there.

There's some fun stuff in there.

Uh thank you.

Just again, we're we're grateful for the opportunity to be able to do this.

Uh I think it's really gaining momentum, and residents are really enjoying it.

Hopefully having some impact on water wise.

Yeah, you know, we appreciate all that the environmental sustainability committee uh does.

Montana, we've had you on there for quite a while, so you evidently they kept you, so you must be doing a good job.

Who's the chair?

Yeah, I heard you say that.

That's awesome.

Well, hopefully bring some more things to you guys in the future.

But the water wise landscape is is great in respect to highlighting these particular examples.

And um, there's a really good article from the Salt Lake Tribune that was was showing that you know just having that one weird neighbor that that does this can be really inspirational to people to to do it themselves.

So highlighting them is is something they deserve because it can really help us get that voluntary effort to s sustain our our our you know water aquifers.

We see we're seeing this year with with the Great Salt Lake having a lot of issues that anything that we can do is beneficial for sure when it comes to water usage.

It is and it it's a lot of work.

I've redone a couple small areas in my yard trying to do a little bit at a time, and I was surprised how much work it is.

But honestly, uh the work I did there is probably what I like the most about my yard.

Probably where I spend the most time because you you still have to weed it, you still have to take care and trim the plants and everything.

But I actually enjoy it a little bit more than just mowing grass.

So we'll be back with some more information from the committee.

Thank you guys.

Okay.

Item three is uh 20 minute input.

Do we have a lot of students here today?

Raise your hand if you're a student.

So that's awesome.

All righty.

We uh uh come to the time in our meeting where we have this opportunity for citizens to stand up at the podium and uh tell us something that uh that we may need to know about that we don't know about so uh we allow up to 20 minutes.

Uh we limit the time to we we ask you to limit the time to one or two minutes per presentation if you can.

If you came here to speak on an item that's on the agenda, and I think some are here to speak on item 10.

Who's here to speak on item 10 tonight?

I was raise your hand.

Okay, so we've got a few of those too.

Uh if you'll wait till that item comes up, you know, we'll take those public comments then as well tied to that issue.

Do we have anybody who would like to address the council and city staff tonight?

Come on up to the same.

Here's the thing I didn't say.

You still have to stand up at the podium and you have to give your name.

So we all know who you are.

My name's David Speed.

I live at 419 South or yeah, 419 South 1430 West.

And I'm kind of concerned, and my neighbors here too, but um there's a new subdivision behind us, and that's part of life.

That's okay.

But they were allowed to build at a substantially higher elevation, and there's no accommodation for drainage.

So we're quite concerned about the risk of you know exposure to water, flooding, things like that.

Feel like there should be some drainage, and some uh retention wall something.

There's if I stand on my patio, the dirt at the foundation of the new home behind me is like eye level.

It's like five, six feet.

What's your address again?

419 South, 1430 West.

430 west.

14.

1430 west.

Yeah.

Sorry, I'm a slow rider.

No problem.

And it's just, you know, and it I mean, so in a I haven't measured the distance, but in a 25 or 30 foot distance, it's dropping five, six feet.

Okay, and it's is it a new subdivision behind you?

Yeah, what's it called, Rod?

Longboard Longhorn subdivision.

Okay.

Okay.

And so just kind of concerned about that.

And then if there's not some type of retention or something that brings the soil level a little higher.

I mean, right now, if I put in a six-foot fence, I have barbed wire right now because it used to be a pasture, right?

Yeah.

But if I put in a fence, I mean it's it's gonna block the very bottom of their yard, but uh very you know, very little option for any kind of privacy.

Yeah, I understand.

Okay.

Well, we can that we what we can do is we can have uh somebody from the building department look at that and make see if they've missed something in the code and some of the requirements.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello, uh, I'm Paige, I'm a student of Sky Range, and um the Alpine School District is now um we working the elementary school boundaries and are building a new school at the moment.

Uh Cold Springs Elementary.

And though while the Alpine School Districts uh cover more cities than just we high, I wanted to know your opinion on uh on it and how it might effectively high in the future.

Well, I'm not sure I have an answer for that.

Does anybody council have a brief answer to that question?

Briefly, so the Cold Spring Ranch Um is that would be proposed for our new area.

I know that that's a study that they want to do.

Um so there is an elementary school that's being built in the west area and a high school.

But the cold springs over in the exchange is something that is really critical to our area.

North Point Elementary has over 1200 students there.

So that's one that I think was on their agenda tonight, or they're gonna be talking about that soon.

It's just difficult right now because the school district has split.

And so to be able to get that proposal through, but it it is something that's really critical in that area that we we get that elementary school and then also do uh a boundary study for the whole west side of Lehigh because there are some of our schools like Lehigh Elementary or Meadow have smaller populations, but Dry Creek has and North Point, they all have really high populations, so that would help alleviate that and get all of our schools down to like same similar numbers.

So it'll be good.

Thank you.

As you can tell, Heather is the one we rely on heavily for all school district knowledge, right?

Thank you, Heather.

Hello, my name is Corgan Reeves.

Um I've been driving uh Traverse Mountain a lot recently, and me and some of my friends who live there have noticed there's a lot of speeding going on.

Is there any way you guys can stop that?

It's not you, is it?

No.

Oh, okay.

We can do patrols.

Where did you say?

Traverse mountain.

Yeah, we can do patrols.

We do do those where we get uh similar complaints quite frequently.

Okay.

However, the odd thing is is every time we we start doing those, we end up picking up some of the neighbors and then they get upset at us.

But that's just a fact in all the years I've been doing this.

But yeah, we'll keep that in mind.

And thank you.

Okay, thank you.

My name is Lily Leighton.

Um I was actually just wondering if the Lee High Public Library is still expected to be finished on the uh originally estimated time, which is at the end of the year, or if it's gonna be like pushed back further.

God, I hope it's not pushed back further.

We have an update tomorrow, but as of last week it's still scheduled to be in December.

So thank you.

I'm pushing a mark beyond time.

The third hard time number they they gave us.

Okay.

Other comments?

Come on up.

Hello.

Um, I was just wondering what's being done to ease congestion on I-15 and Main Street.

On I-15 or Main Street or both.

Both.

Uh I-15 is a U.

Dot road.

Yeah, I was watching that with me.

Yeah, and I I'm I I know they watch that very closely.

And uh there's not much we can do about that, and I don't know what their plans are on that.

On Main Street, the congestion will be relieved a little bit, I think, once the flex lane on Pioneer Crossing gets finished.

So thank you.

What's your name?

Macy Meyer.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Once again, I doing.

Jose Zuriga.

I'm a union rep from a local union 801 unit carpenters.

As you can see, Wallport here is miss uh their deadline for opening these.

I just want you to understand that we do have uh certified uh carpenters apprenticeship guys, people like 18 years old.

They're looking forward to working in their cities.

So this opportunity with Alpine High School coming up to look at us, uh Union Carpenters.

We are certified.

We do have a lot of young members in this area that needs to work.

Okay.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Um, at Skywish High School, and I just wanted to ask real quick uh does um item 10 address uh walkability and social infrastructure like plans and such.

Uh that's probably a question to be answered on item 10 because we won't be presenting up here.

We'll have somebody presenting on that from the parks department.

Okay, I'll save it.

Hello, I'm Anna Van Orman.

And I was wondering like how Lehigh is preparing for future like water needs as our population is growing.

Lauren.

Well, we have a lot of the areas that are in the city.

We actually procured the water ahead of time.

And so a lot of those that have annexed have already provided water to the city that we can use.

We are continuing to buy w water and look for water sources, but they are slim.

The good news is is Lauren has done a very good job of preparing us for water more than I think any other city in Utah County right now.

So thank you, Lauren.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other comment.

Good evening.

Uh my name is James Harrison, and I do have two questions.

One related to 2300 West.

I can wait until that item's on the agenda, or I can ask now, so I'll defer to to your judgment, Mayor.

Um if it's on the agenda, it'd probably be best to wait for that.

Okay.

Uh it's tangential to the item, but I can wait until then.

Okay.

Uh the other issue, and I think we've we've spoken a little bit about this is Ozure Park.

So over near Willow Park, uh, there's a large soccer field just south of a small reservoir.

Um I've talked to a citizen that that brought up an issue around the the perimeter road around Ozher Park is a dirt road, um, sometimes used by the police department.

Um I know I think the parks and the water department kind of share some responsibility with that that property, but currently as it's is it's fixed, there's a gate on either side of that park, meaning the perimeter, you're unable to park along that perimeter of that field.

Um probably about 10% of it is available.

Uh there's some citizens that um are elderly or they have children who are using that park quite a bit and they would would like to be able to park along that road.

Um the one impediment are those locked gates that the city has put in.

And so I was wondering if if there is a possibility for the city to consider um more access along the perimeter of that park just to make it easier for families and uh especially you know, young families with kids pulling strollers during soccer games and uh citizens with some mobility issues that are trying to access that small reservoir to fish.

I think it could be it seems like an easy fix.

I've looked at it, um, but I'm sure there's other considerations, so I would just like to try to understand that a little more.

Yeah, we'd have to look for our parks manager.

He's actually oh, he's right there.

You can you want to drive why don't you address that when we do the parks master plan?

Okay.

He's the guy right there.

Okay.

They'll make that decision for us.

So yeah, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Okay.

Any other comments?

Okay, I'm gonna c oh boy.

Just about shut you down, but you stood up just fast enough.

Really needs the extra credit.

I have a question.

So there's a street, it's west 2600 north.

Um do you guys on that street?

It's over by Sky Ridge.

Give me the 2600 north.

Yeah, 2060.

So mayor.

2600 North Street.

Um, there's a lot of construction going on.

I was wondering why there's a lot of construction and what's expected to be completed.

So the pipeline is still where they come in.

They're also doing the um the curbs to like the EDA on the as part of the part of the construction.

Yeah, well, they've been doing that in that area.

Yeah, okay.

A lot of that is the gas line.

Okay.

They're putting in the new gas line, and it is taking a long time, but they're replacing a lot of people don't know.

We had a 16-inch high pressure gas line running right through the middle of Lehigh diagonally.

Okay.

And so they had to enlarge that pipe.

They're going to 24 inch.

You've probably seen some of that pipe laying on the side of the road, and that as they've been installing it.

Uh it's a pretty massive project, but they have to run that that one.

They can't run through the old uh easement location where the old pipe was because it literally went through the backyards of several homes and everything.

And so this they're running down the streets, and that's the reason for the the construction.

And it it has been through a lot of northly.

I don't know, Lauren.

What's do we have an uh anticipated completion date on that?

I thought they were getting close to being done, so I'm where tell me your address again.

Uh for the street or my address.

The street where you say 2600 where they were.

They're back there's construction on 2600 again, even though the pipeline was laid there, and it's the entire road is closed off south of the the fire station.

So but I know that they were doing some sidewalk work too, but it seemed like it was pipeline stuff going on again.

They've they're probably testing things now, and they've had some issues where they've had to go back in.

I wouldn't doubt that that's probably what's happening.

I I don't know for sure, but they've had to go back in and they have to make sure this pipe is you know healthy.

And so they're trying to trying to make sure that's happening.

Yeah, that's probably what it is.

We'd like it done too.

We'd like all construction done.

But you know what?

That's never gonna happen.

But which day was it again?

Was it like a few months out, or have they not come out with like any estimated dates?

Well, if they're testing it right now, that would be an indication it's gonna be pretty quick, right?

As long as it passes a test.

All right.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

I'm gonna go ahead and close the uh citizen input time, and that's going to bring us to the consent agenda.

Uh council, you had an opportunity to re uh review the consent agenda, the purchase orders and the minutes.

Do you are there any questions on those?

Hearing none, I will take a motion on item number four.

Mr.

Mayor, I move that we approve the consent agenda as presented.

I have a motion to approve by Paul.

Do I have a second?

Second.

And a second by Heather.

Any questions on that motion?

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay, the consent agenda passes.

Uh that brings us to item five on our regular agenda.

Uh this we're gonna I'm going to open a public hearing, and this is for the purpose of receiving comments related to the issuance of water revenue bonds uh for system and facility improvements.

Do we you want to come up and just explain this a little bit before the public comments?

Um yeah, these are the bonds we've been working on to build the storage building facility on the public works yard to store their equipment and also expand a pressurized irrigation uh reservoir.

Um part of that process is to give the up give the public an opportunity to comment.

So that's all this is.

There's not a vote that needs to happen.

Um it's just public hearing.

Okay.

Is there anybody here would like to uh make comment on the issuance of these water revenue bonds?

Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public hearing on that.

And uh there is no vote on this item, but the we will this will move us to item number six, which is consideration of resolution twenty twenty five sixty seven.

This authorizing the issuance of water revenue bonds.

Uh yeah.

Yeah, so this is kind of the third round of we've had this the states required all pressurized irrigation connections to be metered and we're working on that.

They've given us a deadline of uh we need to have that done by 2030 and uh to public works credit.

They're they're making a lot of progress on that.

But the states uh to help finance this or fund it, they funded a lot of it through grants and some of it through some uh very low interest loans.

So this is a one percent loan from the state.

Um so just but but the process on issuing this is the same as any other bond.

So this is a parameters resolution for the uh loan from the state on the pressurized irrigation meters.

Now that's item number seven, not item number six, correct?

So seven is the hydrogen.

Seven is actually the contractor that's doing that.

That's the contract.

Okay, all right.

Six is the loan from the state.

They're related but not the same thing.

All right, okay.

And I should Brandon Johnson here is our bond counsel uh on this as well, if you have anybody.

If we have any questions, okay.

All right.

Uh I have a quick question.

Yeah.

So this will you said the last round of funding.

Does that mean we're on the hook for the rest, or this will get us to the finish line?

Well, it's actually interesting.

I got a email the other day that there might be another round of funding.

I'm not sure if this but it's ARPA money, which has to be spent by the end of next year.

I'm not sure we can meet that.

So we're looking at if it if we can do that.

But this will get us like most of the way there.

In fact, next week I'm gonna go and do a reconciliation and see where we're at.

But um potentially more.

Yeah, this is a large project and mostly funded by the state, luckily or fortunately, and uh these loans help a lot because they're a lot cheaper than we could go go borrow anywhere else.

Well, and as I recall, you were I mean you hit toward the use the word trough, but you were like first at the trough first in line for the lower interest bond.

So I'm glad you're keeping an eye on this.

I think we've done a good job in using the money as it's come through, and that's helped us secure some other uh the the other rounds.

So thank you.

Credit to Dave and Greg and then TJ and their group.

So council, any other questions on item number six?

Okay, I'll take a motion.

Mr.

Mayor, I move that we approve resolution 2025-67 authorizing the issuance of water bonds.

Okay, I have a motion to approve by Heather.

Do I have a second?

I'll second.

And a second by Paige.

Any questions on that motion as given?

Okay.

This is by resolution, so I will start with Paige.

Yes.

Paul.

Yes.

Heather?

Yes.

And Michelle.

Yes.

Okay, that passes.

Okay.

Now item seven is the uh irrigation meters.

Greg.

I you you were halfway out of your chair, and I know.

So this is a contract.

Our current contract was a three-year contract with an excavation company called HydroVEC.

Um it expires at the end of the month.

So really next week.

This is a renewed contract.

We put out a RFB.

Uh we got six bids.

Hydrovac was our lowest bid.

Um, so this is just a contract for the continuation of our PI meter project.

Um to date, we've installed just shy of 10,000 pressurized irrigation meters.

And we have about 4500 to go.

Okay.

So that's two thirds there.

Yeah, we're doing 35 to 40 a day at this point.

I know that they've got a lot of work to do, and you know we've we've seen some complaints come through from, you know, because if you're happy, I guess you don't complain, but if you're not happy, you do.

But uh from what I understand, you know, they've they they've done a pretty good job of being able to re uh be responsive and take care of some of those problems because they do happen during construction, unfortunately.

It's not a massive undertaking too.

It's yeah, it's just I I don't think people understand how big a job this is.

So any questions for Greg.

Okay, I'll take a motion.

May I move that we approve resolution number 25 2025 73, approving an agreement between Lee High City and Hydrovec extra excavation for the installation of pressurized irrigation meters as presented in the packet.

Okay.

I have a motion by Paige.

Do I have a second?

I'll second that, Mr.

Mayor.

And a second by Paul.

Any any uh question on that motion?

I'll start the voting with Paul.

Yes.

Heather?

Yes.

Paige?

Yes.

And Michelle.

I'm just it's very unnerving.

Just mixing things up.

Mixing things up just a little bit.

I'm awake, okay.

Okay.

Uh item eight has been pulled off the agenda tonight, so if you have an agenda and that's on there, that that's uh probably going to be heard later.

Item nine is uh will be our next item.

That's consideration of resolution 2025-68, approving a real estate purchase contract for 11.74.

Is that the right number?

No.

Did we find out seven?

Okay, I got them both written down here and I didn't know which one was correct.

So 2.57 acres located at 530 west, 300 north here in Lehigh.

Marlon.

Um so uh this is the uh authorization uh ratification for the real um real estate purchase contract uh for the property that's next to the uh power department.

Um we did a walk through the building today with strata and there's an opportunity for them to potentially lease the building uh from us.

So we're we've got a couple things we need to check into first to see if we can make some modifications.

Uh if so to the building, then the intent would be to uh allow them to lease the building uh for one to two years while they finish their construction over on Main Street, which would hopefully uh their intent would be then to move off of the the property that they're currently occupying and then utilize this facility.

So again, uh this is the uh real estate authorization for the mayor uh ratification to enter into the real estate purchase contract.

Okay, questions for Martin.

Okay.

I'll take a motion.

Mr.

Mayor, I move that we approve resolution 2025-68, a real estate purchase contract for 2.57 acres located at 530 west, 300 north in Lehigh.

Okay, a motion to approve by Paul.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Okay, and a second by Heather.

Any questions on that motion?

Start the voting with Heather.

Yes.

Michelle.

Yes.

Paul.

Yes.

Paige.

Yes.

I didn't know that.

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

Okay, thank you.

Item 10 is consideration of resolution 2025-69 adopting the 2025 parks and recreation master plan.

Trent Dyer from the Parks Department.

Um this is what you've seen over the past year and a half.

Um just the final adoption of our master plan, which is really a guidebook for our department for the recreation department as we plan for the coming years.

Um with budgets and with um everything that we have going on.

Um something to remember is that it's a snapshot in time as we um gathered information from the city from residents from other plans.

Um a lot of that was done about a year ago.

And so we anticipate things will change and um hope that other opportunities arise, you know, and that we can take those as they arise.

But but this will give us a good um guidance for those for the next number of years until we do another plan.

Questions for staff first.

I I do.

So it's guiding us, right?

If if I'm looking at some of the priorities and don't particularly agree with them, do we would we need to do formal amendment to the plan to change things in here or is it just the plan and then we would have to take action to implement them?

Does that make sense?

Yes.

The latter?

The latter.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Okay, I should have taken some public comment on this.

So we'll open this to public comment right now.

If I say would uh probably limit the amount of time to two minutes on that.

Two minutes per person.

Per person.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Talk fast everybody can.

I'd like the public comments that are 20 minutes.

Okay.

Same rules applies in public comments.

You gotta come up, give us your name.

So who would like to step up here first?

Hi, I'm Laura A.

Oh, the one we got.

I got the email from the case.

Yeah, I've emailed several of you.

Um so I live up um by Belmont Elementary in Viewpoint Middle School.

And as you can see on page 90 of the Master Parks plan that we are an identified uh park accessibility gap area.

And um we there's a lot of us from our community and neighborhood.

In fact, everyone who's here for the Belmont Park, will you raise your hand?

Yeah.

This is a huge priority for our neighborhood.

We um do not have access to a public park near us that we've got Triumph Park, but that's over a mile away over some busy streets that um don't have uh crossing lights.

Um and so we've got this land right there by Belmont Elementary that's owned by Lee High City.

We'd love to see it developed.

And so um my ask here tonight is that we that you amend the master parks plan to add um this park to your plan so that it can be a priority and it's something that can be um that we can move forward on.

Um we would it's two-acre land.

We would love to see some amenities perhaps like Sunrise Sum Summit Park over by Traverse Mountain Elementary School.

Um, but I think the main priority tonight is just amending the master parks plan to um get this park on on there.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Hi, I'm Amy Welsh.

Um I wrote down my thoughts so I don't forget anything.

Um but forgive me if any of this is redundant.

Um I'm here representing many in my neighborhood and area of Traverse that couldn't be here tonight.

Um our main ask, as again, as Laura said, is to urge you to amend the master parks plan that you're voting on tonight to include a public park in our area traversed by Belmont Elementary.

Um as many in our neighborhood know, Perry Homes got away with not building a park in our large area of traverse.

Um this created the gap area of no green space.

Um as I think you're aware with the gap map.

Um this has affected families not having access to recreation.

Um many of us often drive up a giant hill to get to the edge homes um park that they built for their residents.

Um but um our kids have been told not to play there because we don't pay HOA fees for that part of the mountain.

Um Perry Homes did not grant us the luxury of including a park by donating instead to Triumph Park, which is completely completely inaccessible to our neighborhood, as you have to walk over a mile and cross several large roads, including Morning Vista, which does not have stoplights for safety, um, but that's a separate issue.

Um a park in our neighborhood would be a game changer for families local to our area, um, and would um not be obviously a difficult lift as the city already owns the land.

Um as the amenities, as far as amenities in the park, um we'd love to see a playground with covered shade um as well as um areas, um since it's an area with like zero trees and it's a new developed area, um, but also restrooms, park benches, um a trail around the perimeter so that there's a bit of a buffer between the house line there of Perry Homes.

Um clearly funding um will be an issue, um, but with all the um mass amounts of DR Horton coming up, um we feel that the property taxes there would help um to hopefully develop that.

Thanks so much.

Okay, thank you.

Um, same topic.

I just wanted to offer a slightly different perspective.

However, to keep in mind for the houses very nearby, like right behind that land or adjacent to I would ask that it's kept in mind that there are that these homes want to maintain their peace and quiet and creating a park like right next to it with an overabundance of amenities might disturb the peace of those homes.

Because the land is like right up against a line of homes.

Mine is adjacent.

I live nearby.

But I would propose like a quiet small green park consisting of gardens and trails, maybe a small playground, but nothing that will cause lots of noise or traffic to disturb the peace of the homes behind if it's like lots of lights and kids playing around the clock and lots of traffic that could potentially disturb the neighborhood at the same time.

So that's just the perspective I wanted to offer as well.

Along with if there's some preservation of the natural area, like there could be some integration of the natural beauty with the park development, that I think would also be ideal.

So a nice balance of the natural beauty and a little bit of the recreation in a peaceful manner.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, I didn't.

Yeah, I think you're the one that sent the email this afternoon, right?

What's your name?

Um I didn't have but I've actually spoken to the woman she's in the home.

Got it.

What's your name?

My name is Judith.

My name is Dan Fix.

I've been here before.

Um I think the park we're talking about was called Bermuda Triangle by the mayor or by Paul or somebody.

I can't remember who uh named it, but I live right there.

I live uh the I look at the park every day or look at the gopher patch every day.

And uh bowls and and gophers come underneath the fence, and I've planted the lawn three times now.

And uh it's it's getting kind of old because there are almost 3,000 kids that go to uh Belmont Elementary and the viewpoint middle school.

And there's 15 buses that go by there every day, twice a day, and the kids get in, they come to school and they get out, and the people don't have a place to go really to get get their kids so they're lined up up and down the street.

It's almost uh difficult to get out of the driveway sometimes.

Uh the city built or painted the streets along the uh Traverse terrace drive there, but they still park there because they they don't have any place else to go.

They're picking up their kids and are only going to be there for five minutes or so, and so they still park in the red zone.

But uh we don't have that that road when since the terrace uh traverse terrace was opened.

Now it's a public road going up over to Horton.

And um previously the Horton president offered a lot to me.

I didn't want it because the city, but the city didn't want it.

It's not really big enough to do a lot with.

It'd be a perfect place for a park like the one on State Street.

It's not as big as the park over here that Lehigh enjoys so much.

But I think it's time for for us to put a park in there for the kids.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um back.

Um I saw on the agenda of this uh parks and recreation plan, uh, which I'm curious and excited to learn more about, and had me wondering about the other plans beyond what we're uh going to be talking about.

So I wanted to ask council where they stand on the broader topic of walkability and social infrastructure as our city continues to grow.

Um as our city continues to grow, we have an opportunity to build upon these like in-between spaces that are between the places we work and play.

Uh such as sidewalks, small plazas, uh public seating, and everything connecting this city that makes being outside feel social, safe, and enjoyable.

Um, this infrastructure also could include things like shading and lighting and places to sit or gather informally.

Um, I'm not an expert, but while our city grows, there's readable conclusion to focus resources towards uh traffic infrastructure.

Uh but I feel it would also be valuable to consider how to balance the this uh with what people experience outside their cars, especially in areas where growth is high.

For me personally, I feel there's value in encouraging people to experience the city in a way that isn't just buildings that you pass on your way to a destination.

Um if the council was already discussing topics like complete streets and mixed use or pedestrian zoning, um, I'd love to hear more about it.

Um if not, it could still be worth exploring alongside existing plans.

Um I'd also like to know about how much control the council has over these kinds of plans.

Um I totally understand that the kind of priority bouncing when it comes to city projects as well as deeper discussions about budgeting regulations among other things.

Um and if anything, I hope my voice sparks future con conversations.

Okay.

I don't know if the council member would like to you asked a few questions there, and I don't know if a council member wants to respond.

That's kind of a difficult one.

It's a whole nother conversation.

But I I'm seeing a future planning commission member, see council member right before us.

So good questions.

No, that's great.

But it I'm just wondering if that might be a sit-down discussion sometime.

I don't know.

Probably be better because you asked several questions and yeah, there's actually more than one answer to almost every one of your questions, primarily any time we talk about land use.

We've got to remember not all of it is zoned and controlled by uh the municipality.

A lot of it is private ownership, and then when you talk about improving or making any development changes to a partial land, you know, the first question is who owns it, right?

Are there any easements on it?

Is another question and what can go in there and how do the neighbors feel about it is another issue that has to be so there's several questions that have to be determined.

Uh probably the largest of which is who's going to pay for the whole thing, right?

And uh and that includes the uh perpetual maintenance of of anything that's that's green, for instance.

And those are the questions we deal with quite frequently and constantly through the course of uh managing a city.

So we we do our best, and the reason we have a master transportation plan is primarily to address that, right?

Where where can we increase our green space and our parks and how do we manage and pay for it?

Because money is it still takes money for the city to do things just like it does in your account, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Thanks for your comments.

Is there any way I could stay updated on this?

Sorry.

Go ahead.

If if you're okay, I may maybe would just add I those are great comments, and that's all the planning lingo that we love to hear, the third places and um but yeah, just so you know, um to add to what the mayor said, we are updating our bike and pedestrian master plan, which talks about how can people get around not in a car, what are the other modes of transportation and so part of the pedestrian element that you're talking about would be hopefully addressed in that plan.

We're close to finishing it, but if you wanted to see what we've got so far, we'd love to we'd if you want to come in on a weekday, we'll show you the back uh the bike and pedestrian master plan.

The other thing I would add is in our transit oriented developments, which are more high density, we do require uh plaza space, urbanized what we call urbanized open space where it may not be grass, but it might have plazas, benches, things where like you're saying people can interact, you know, not just uh in their cars.

So we're there are elements in our city planning that are trying to accomplish those goals, but I'm sure there's always room for improvement.

So we appreciate your comment.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Other comments.

Hi, my name's Jenna Cauver.

I also live on Springbrook Lane.

I my house backs right up to the muta triangle.

Um I just want to second the comments that have already been mentioned about that area.

It would be fantastic if we could get that area bumped up, perhaps on the list of park places, I guess.

I don't know the lingo.

I'm not as I'm not as well versed.

Um I think we understand what you're saying.

Yeah.

Um like has been it's been mentioned, it's it's ugly.

It's not the most beautiful of places, but getting a temple right there.

Um it would be nice for it it doesn't have to be extravagant, just a place where children can go and play right after school and we can hang out and just be together as a community.

I think it would be wonderful.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Based on our emails the other day, is this some of Steve?

Can one of you I uh I think we have a couple more public comments, but I wanted to make sure that you could speak to all the okay, thank you.

Uh we've been emailing back and forth about this since you guys started communicating, so good job.

I'm Rachel Freeman.

And um Yeah, I agree with these residents.

I've been in Mr.

Dix's backyard and fixes back to the yard, and I've seen the grass there's really high now in that law.

Uh to me, it's a little bit of a fire hazard in a sense, even.

And it's affecting his his own landscape.

Um another thing I think to take into consideration with the parks plan is baseball fields on the east side.

Uh I've talked to several parents who have players uh who are resorting to practicing in church inside church buildings because there is adequate, there's inadequate ball fields.

Uh the needs assessment conducted for this master parks plan showed that many are willing to drive 15 minutes to ball fields.

However, uh the ball fields are more than 50 minutes away from the east side right now.

And um that's something I think needs to be taken into consideration.

Also, as well, as far as a new recreation center, which looks like that was option three there.

Um, of course, you know, the park tax park tax passed in 2021, but a similar park tax failed in 2017, and that is the most that option three was the most expensive one, and I just I wonder if that option should be reconsidered due to funding.

Um and one option I considered was I thought of was partnering with the YMCA, which I know happens in many states, many places that for a second recreational facility for programs further west.

Um another option is to look at relook at expanding the legacy center because on the master parks plan, it appears that there's a library where there is not a library right now, and there's a there's a footprint there that is could be utilized a little bit differently.

Um I've been a member of the Lexi Center for years and worked there, but anyways, those are just some things to look at, maybe relook at again a little closer.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Hi.

Uh James Harrison again.

Um just one additional point.

I know the parks department will address the Ozure Park um question that I had.

Um I think in addition to that, I I've spoken to some residents that have access to heavy machinery that that could potentially save the city quite a bit of money through volunteering to to make that accessible and wide enough for parking and getting through as well.

And then also as resident from West Lehigh out in Jordan Willows, uh, we do see in newer parts of Lehigh a severe lack of any sort of park within a short distance.

I know in the more well-established areas it's more common.

Um, but in the newer areas uh up by Belmont, fairly new.

Jordan Willows uh about 13 years old since the development was finished.

But all we have is a very small HOA park.

Um but it would be nice, and I do hear from neighbors and friends not only the need for additional park space, but also echoing Rachel's comment on uh baseball parks.

Um many of our um local teams will have to travel to Draper, Harriman, American Fork, and other places to simply to practice.

Um so I just want to put in a plug for that as well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello, um, my name is Casey Thomas.

I've been a Lehigh resident in Travis Mountain for over nine years now.

I'm also the Belmont Elementary PTA president, and I'm also here in support of the park at the so-named uh Bermuda Triangle.

We do have over 900 students at Belmont Elementary, and um we would love to provide a safe place for them to play and have nearby um that's not on school grounds outside of school hours, obviously.

Um and I would emphasize make an emphasis on um a need for safety there as well.

Um that is a pretty busy area with two major schools, so I would advocate probably for a fenced park of some kind to make sure that our kids are safe.

We have a lot of kids walking to and from school, riding bikes, scooters.

There's actually been several accidents at that intersection already, uh mainly from the middle school students riding electric scooters.

Um of that has improved with carpooling with Center Street opening, actually.

But um, anyways, just here to advocate for that as well with Laura and the other residents.

I'm also resident of that neighborhood, so just like to put my support in.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thirty-six years ago we decided to speak together.

So Kevin.

You've been waiting for a long time to show up here.

We just moved here from Arizona, so uh Kevin and Sheila Up Church.

We're residents uh on that Springbrook Lane in that where everybody's talking about.

We would just like to voice our opinion that we'd love to see a park there and amend it to uh have that be priority for uh the neighborhood.

It could be a like Judith uh mentioned, it could be a small uh grass tree quiet area, or it could have a small playground, but anything would be a much improvement over what we have.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other comments.

Come on up.

You have to come to the microphone.

I forgot to mention that we all know that the Lehigh Temple is gonna be there also.

It's within a block of that area, and I think it needs to be a park so that they can people drive into the temple will appreciate and understand a little bit more about how we love Lehigh.

Okay.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Okay.

Okay.

And then I'm I'm gonna shut it down after yours, so make her good.

I'm Monica Davis, and I'm on 3902 Springbrook.

And we were here a couple years ago with you to keep that building from being behind us.

Well, I hope that was a good experience.

It was fun.

It was fun.

But seriously, I mean I love everything everybody has said, but my deal is we just I just want to make it pretty because it looks like crap.

It's an eyesore, there's weeds, we all have voles and moles.

We have big weeds that the birds pick the little white things out and they come in our yard, so we have weeds we can't even identify.

We have grasshoppers.

If we could just make it pretty and grassy, especially for the temple.

Because it's just this big dead area.

Well, it's got sunflowers now.

But anyway, that's my thing.

Thank you.

I I have a neighbor with a red tail hog and I'd love to come over and help with the full situation.

You know how to send it to my house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm very familiar with Voles, unfortunately.

Uh I'm gonna close that public hearing and uh let's go ahead and I I know you put a lot of work into this, Steve.

Okay, so can I um let me let me just say something before you start, everybody here.

You know, my wife and I moved here in 93, and I think you know you could count the number of parks that were in Lehigh on one hand, and I think there were only two that anybody could actually name, and that was wines and vets park, right?

Uh I it was a while before we got the sports park.

We just we were very park poor.

And I think you know, we've changed a lot since then, right?

We're sitting on soon four regional parks here in town.

And uh all the additional uh facilities that we have has just grown exponentially, and I'm pretty happy with that.

I think we've gone we've still got a ways to go, but boy, we have come a long way since 93.

What a what a great problem to have, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Um so I'm just gonna kind of start.

I I've been taking notes of most everything that's been being said.

Uh I'm gonna start with the master plan.

Um realistically, like Trent said, the master plan is a snapshot in time.

It doesn't mean these are the only priorities that we have.

These are the highlights saying uh you need to look in these areas.

You need to make sure this is happening.

And and like you said, somebody addressed that we are deficient in this certain area.

Um we found out a year and a half ago, D.R.

Horton uh deeded us or about a year ago that DR Horton deeded us this property by one of you residents saying, by the way, this has been deeded.

Why haven't you done anything?

Um at that time we started our gears working.

Uh I was in several of the meetings when the area plan was uh adopted and taken and uh changed and everything else back understanding that it was the Bermuda Triangle.

Uh at that time we did go up there, and what a beautiful view.

Uh so yes, we have actually already started looking at designs for this park.

Uh we've had some great interns working for us at times, and they've put presentations together, full on.

So kind of the process that we have, and uh uh this is more educational just for everybody.

So when we go and say we're gonna build a park, we start with concepts, internal concepts, and we say, okay, does this match the area?

Does this is this the field that we want?

And we'll do three or four of them.

Um and then at that point we'll start budgeting for it.

That after we budget for it, we have those concepts actually solidified by a uh architect that can make them look prettier than hand-drawn and you know the the skills that we have on computers.

Um we bring those to our parks and trails committee at that point.

We take them out to the public, make sure that that's what they want to do, and then at that point we present them.

And if it's been approved in the budget, we'll build it that that current time.

So wrapping all of that back up together.

As far as amending the master plan, I think that's that's a whole separate issue.

Um the Bermuda Triangle piece that we will come up with a better name for, I hope.

Please don't.

Please don't.

I mean, we have like 800 willows, so maybe we'll work.

Let's just make a Bermuda Park.

Bermuda Park.

Okay.

Okay.

Um anyway, so yes, we will we will we are in the process already.

Budget seasonal come in February.

You guys will see this at that time saying we need money to put this park in.

Um so we have already started on our internal side.

Uh we have some pretty cool renderings and uh concepts for this.

And honestly, they match a lot of what's being said.

Um, not all of it.

There was some comments that yeah, uh I don't know that we'll be able to go that far.

But yes, most of it will will address that.

Um to the the Ozure Park parking.

Um realistically, Ozar Park, that is a service trail.

There's there is a gate at the end of it because that's how we get into the well house.

If anything goes past that, uh I worry about people getting hit, frankly.

Um it's a very walkable area at this point.

We do need to put asphalt down.

When the pump house was put in, we were working with water department, we were working with engineering.

Uh it ran out of money, we didn't get that portion of it completed.

Uh, that is something that we still need to budget for, but again, we have so many needs and so limited funds that we will it's on our list.

We understand that that's something that needs to happen.

We actually had an elderly gentleman um call us weekly there for months saying, hey, I'm trying to get back there fishing.

I'm trying to get back there fishing, I'm trying to get back there fishing.

And we tried to pull every string we could in that budget year and couldn't get it paved.

Um it is something that's high on our radar.

Um I think that's legacy center extension.

Okay, so the options in that in the budget document, those are just options.

They're not a priority list, they're not a one, two, three, four.

It doesn't mean this is the number one we should pick.

These are avenues that they researched and said these are the options that we see that you can do.

So as far as prioritizing those as a number value, that's not what that is supposed to read as that isn't that how you understand it.

Okay.

I can I can please yeah.

So that basically what they're addressing there is when you have a city of our size, what do you typically see?

And so they put out options and they tell us what they recommend that we do.

But it still comes back to the city ultimately for the city council to make those decisions.

So if if there are concerns about what those options are, that's just a recommendation from an outside entity.

The city still would need to decide how and when to address what those needs are.

Sorry, one last question.

Um, could you maybe give us a little bit of a rundown on Rhodes Miller and the status there?

Because um it was mentioned that there aren't a whole lot of ball fields in close proximity to Jordan Willows, and I would agree with that.

Sure.

Uh Rhodes Miller, we have had realistically, we're looking for funding.

That that's our that's really our next step.

Uh the land acquisition went through a couple a couple meetings ago or last meeting.

Um I believe that's been signed.

I could be wrong, but it's it's right there close.

So uh that give us the ability to widen our fields a little bit, put more parking around it.

We will have to readdress the plans a little bit, um, but I feel comfortable enough to say as soon as we find funding, we're we're ready to jump on that.

So you don't need to redo, I mean you could do that in-house, you don't need to.

No, we'll have to hire somebody externally to do some of that, but um it's pretty minute changes, it's to one side of it and it's the storm drain section that we need to really revisit.

So yeah.

Any other questions?

If can we ask our own questions now?

Is that appropriate?

Great questions and comments from the public though.

Um so with the like the capital improvement plan, I mean there's near-term, mid-term, long-term, right?

But again, you're just saying that those are recommendations, yeah.

Um so how is as a council do we indicate to you what our preferences are as far as priority goes?

I mean, it sounds like you're just gonna have something and it bring it forward in the budget, and then we can approve it or not, but um I think really I I think that can be as simple as a conversation uh brought up.

Um it can be as formal as if you guys want to sit down and have a meeting to discuss what's your long-term goals are.

We would love that because uh I mean we're we we are the professionals, we do the work, but if we know what your goals are, it's a lot easier for us.

And we do that every year in the budget budget meetings, and so that would be a huge place to do that for us.

That might yeah, that would really be probably our best avenue.

Okay.

Okay.

Any other questions?

I'll take a motion on item number 10.

It's been the one coming coming.

Um, I move that we approve resolution number 2025-69 adopting the 2025 parks and recreation master plan as outlined here.

Um somebody wants second, then I have a quick discussion of second.

Okay.

Um do we need to make any kind of amendment to prioritize that?

You guys are already working on that.

Correct?

I don't think you need to make an amendment for it.

I I think that this is I mean, we understand what you're already wanting we're in the process of it.

You'll see it in the budget for next year.

And guys, mark the time and date.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

I have a motion and I have a second.

Any questions on the motion?

Okay.

I'll start with Paige.

Yes.

Paul.

Yes.

Heather?

Yes.

And Michelle.

Yes.

Okay.

Passes.

Item 11 is consideration of resolution 2025 uh 70, this approving agreement with Avid Trails for the construction of a bicycle skills park.

Um this is phase two of Shadow Ridge Park.

Um, this is a company that we're contracting with to design and build the bicycle skills park at Shadow Ridge.

So they're a big national company.

Um, they've also done a number of projects in Utah, um, including some trails in Traverse Mountain.

So we're excited to work with them again.

Okay.

Have any questions?

I'm sorry, what'd you say?

Oh, exciting.

Sorry.

Okay.

Yes, it will be.

Okay, I'll take a motion on uh on this item.

Mr.

Mayor, I move that we approve resolution 2025-70 in agreement with Abbott Trails for the construction of a bicycle skills park.

I have a motion by Paul.

Do I have a second?

Second.

A second by Heather.

Any questions?

Okay.

Paul?

Yes.

Heather?

Yes.

Michelle?

Yes.

And Paige.

Yes.

Okay.

Item 12 is consideration of resolution 2025-72.

Approving a general services agreement with power engineers for various projects.

Joel.

This is a contract with power engineers who we use quite often for technical details and substations, for example, for relay settings or something like that.

But also includes the um engineering for the sky substation for the inverness area.

Inverness.

You got it.

Did I say it right?

You did, yeah.

We're never quite sure though, are you?

No.

That's why we stuck with Sky for the substation.

Sky's a lot easier to remember and say.

Yeah.

Okay.

Any questions for Joel?

Is this essentially like retainer where we are stacked up a number of hours and we draw down as as needed?

Uh not even that.

It's just it's a open agreement that for three years.

Oh and then if if we need services, we would do a PO.

Gotcha.

That would be an open POE can draw on as needed.

So we have that expertise.

Even more flexible than a yeah, we do we use them quite a bit for lots of different things already.

It's just as formalizing it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Awesome.

Sorry, I wondered what the various projects were, but you're not.

Yeah.

It's detailed technical relaying something, and it's going to be six hours for them to do the engineering on it.

So they help us.

Council, I'll take a motion on item number 12.

Mr.

Mayor, move that we approve resolution 2025-72, a general services agreement with power engineers for various projects.

I have a motion by Paul.

Do I have a second?

I'll second.

And a second by Paige.

Any questions?

Heather?

Yes.

Michelle.

Yes.

Paige.

Yes.

And Paul.

Yes.

Okay.

Item 13 is consideration of resolution 2025-71.

This approving a second amendment interlocal cooperation agreement between Utah County and Lehigh City for the 2300 West Roadway Widening Project.

You're doing that.

I thought Brad was going to be here.

Okay.

I guess it's yours.

All this does is extend the contract.

We have some uh striping that needs to be done next spring.

It extends that contract so we can do some of that striping next year.

Okay.

That's just re-striping, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

I think there was a comment on this.

I is it just too cold or not availability of striking people.

We actually need to do some uh an overlay, and that'll be in the spring, and then we'll strive.

Okay.

Some of it needs to be adjusted.

So thank you.

Okay.

I'll take a motion.

Mr.

Mayor, I move that we approve resolution 2025-71, approving a second amendment interlocal cooperation agreement between Utah County and Lehigh City for the 2300 West Roadway Widening Project.

Okay.

I have a motion to approve to have a second.

I'll second that, Mr.

Mayor.

And a second.

Any questions on that motion?

Okay.

I'll start with uh Paige.

Yes.

Paul.

Yes.

Heather.

Yes.

And Michelle.

Yes.

Okay.

There we go.

Item 14 is consideration ordinance 582025.

This is Water's Edge General Plan Amendment on approximately 13.02 acres located approximately 1300 west, 175 south, changing land use designation for transit oriented development to mixed use.

Bob Perdue is listed as the applicant.

Is he here?

You're right there in front of me.

Right in front of you, yeah.

Also the owner of the property, Mr.

Marciano, and our architect uh Abe Nielsen.

Okay.

Alrighty.

Tell us what you're trying to do there.

So we are trying to develop this property.

It's 13 and a half acres currently.

We are trying to, it is uh it is partly port covered by wetlands.

Uh we've done an engineering study.

There's about nine and a half acres buildable on the property.

Um as you might be familiar with the property, it is surrounded by uh Walmart on one side, uh Woodbury commercial to the north, and then apartments and Lehigh Tech commercial to the west of the property.

So the property is right now surrounded on all sides uh by commercial.

South of the property is the freeway, an empty lot, which is owned by um flag.

Woodbury.

Wood is it Woodbury?

Woodbury.

Oh Woodbury goes up.

Okay.

Intended for commercial also.

Um we have applied for a uh uh amendment to the general plan which and a amendment to the zoning which would allow mixed use on the property, um, which would allow us to build uh develop the property into a uh property uh something that would be more cohesive with the neighborhood, walkable to commercial for uh hotel, uh possibly senior housing, um for sale townhomes and multifamily.

Um we have uh coordinated, we've been uh communicating and working with uh Walmart, uh American Fork, uh Woodbury, um, and ourselves to make the property more walkable and more transit uh with pro with with um uh uh vehicular going through the property, accessing from uh Lehigh Tech apartments and the commercial on on the west across our property into the Walmart property and uh Woodbury commercial to the north.

Uh we currently have access to on the west side of our property, we have a fee access road that connects to 1350 and 1200, which is where the uh Lehigh Tech apartments are and the commercial and hotel on the on the west side.

Uh we have uh permanent easement to the north going through the Woodbury property, which accesses that retail to the north.

Um you want to pull that up that one and so we have we we've been talking with um American Fork and Woodbury extensively and Walmart to uh um propose and we proposed a couple different enditions of a road going through our property connecting with Walmart.

Uh they both Walmart and uh American Fork rejected outright the first two proposals and uh this the most recent one that's an old one.

Oh the most recent one uh uh runs as you can see right there.

Um runs actually it's on the right is the to the north.

Um you can see an access road that goes along the north end of our property and connects with Spring Creek to the north at the north border of the Walmart property.

Um it also we all follow us on created a a pedestrian bridge uh through the center of our property connecting with Walmart and that commercial area on the over there.

Um American Fork was in favor of it.

Uh Woodbury is in favor of that, and also uh um American Fork and and Wood and Walmart are all in favor of that.

They're right now discussing it.

Um Woodbury has agreed to add uh an additional traffic traffic circle in the front of uh the Walmart uh center.

Um where our road would connect with um uh Walmart.

Right there.

Uh an additional traffic circle right there.

And uh which would make traffic flow through our through from the east to the west, or from the west to the east, or back and forth through the commercial properties.

So our intent is that we would like the um preserving the wetlands and building on the nine and a half acres, uh building um residential uh and a commercial combined uh commercial uh on the property, which would uh with the additional road with the additional walking bridge and the walkable walkability to all the commercial in the area um would uh be go along with the the uh the city questions for the applicant um how many residential units are you looking to add?

The under under under the mixed use zoning, we could put we could do 330 units.

Maximum.

And you're looking at doing a hotel still?

That's that's one of the site plan, that's one of the plans we have, yeah, ho a hotel, yes.

So it's just a possibility it's not um we think so that the building to the the building to the right um on that picture right there would be a great place for a hotel.

And then the in the back near the water uh elements uh to the rear of the property, south end of the property would be more more the residential.

And then so if this is do you want mixed use?

You would add other commercial as well if if it made sense.

Uh the the the the issue there is there is no the the property does not front any thoroughfare.

So there's no frontage of the property at all on a major major highway.

So retail, uh there's no exposure to any through traffic.

So commercial, retail, it would be would be difficult.

Except in the hotel, obviously, restaurant um uh and whatever else comes with the hotel development.

Thanks.

I got go ahead if you got one.

With the with the hotel, that would each room would take essentially a a residential unit.

Is that correct out of the total that you were saying?

Probably with the with the site with that.

That's a question.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh we haven't counted hotels unless it's a permanent residence where somebody actually rents or owns it.

A hotel would be considered commercial.

Okay.

So it would have to be it could be in addition to the 330 residential.

So you know ERUs.

The hotel doesn't count towards any of that then, huh?

We have required additional water dedication, but we haven't uh we considered a hotel a commercial use versus a permanent residence.

You know, it's different than a typical ERU where somebody owns or rents on a long-term basis.

Yeah, but it impacts our sewage line rate.

So I've I've got a couple questions, and Abe, you'll remember these from before because you've been involved in this piece in the past.

There's a nuisance parcel between uh your parcel on the Walmart to the west.

Correct.

Has that ever been resolved yet?

That's owned by Woodbury, and that's why we've had preliminary discussions.

We that's why you got Woodbury on board uh in the beginning.

Yes.

Okay.

They are the yes that has been a problem.

We're all aware that that is that that is a problem.

And that's why we we sat down with uh Woodbury right away.

Yeah, it's actually interesting.

I'm on the partial map right now.

I was just kind of seeing if it was gone yet, and it's still there, but when you click on it, no ownership comes up, which is puzzling to me.

That was our problem.

And uh so I met with Jeff Woodbury and they still own it.

And they still own it.

Well that's okay.

It's weird that that data has been removed from that cell.

So they are they are on board with everything we're trying to do here.

They want to see the property developed, they want to see something in the property improved.

Um so they're willing to do whatever it takes to get it done.

Okay.

Couple other questions, and this has to do with uh transportation and traffic issues, and these are similar to what we also had before.

Um you only have one public road connection in this area.

The rest would have to go, any other connection, the one you've shown there would have to go through private property.

Uh but you also have the the biggest problem we have right now in this general area is where 12th East connects to Main Street.

Because the uh the northbound traffic onto Main Street gets backed up frequently and it goes into failure several times a day.

We've actually tried to work with you on this issue, and we've not had success.

We'd like to see two left turn lanes there.

Uh Lauren, I don't know.

I I know you'd probably know more about the the additional connectivity to the partial I don't I don't think uh I mean they're talking about going into American Fork, which that would uh could help change that condition, even if it's in private property, that's not no, they'd have to go with a it'd have to be a public road all the way into American Forks Road.

Can't be private.

Okay.

So regarding the traffic previously back in so this has had a couple of iterations.

So 2016 was the first iteration that we did that was approved.

That approval expired two years after 2019 that came back.

Um and that's when they did it the traffic study and utility studies for sewer and everything.

Um and this is where they had gone the the previous engineer and got approval from U DOT on that light on 12th East for two left turn lanes.

Um didn't want to do two, they just said it didn't need it yet.

Yeah, that's what they keep telling us to once once the month.

Go there, go there around noon sub time and tell us you don't need it.

So they they we have gone through and they've said, oh, we can make it work, right?

Um but that was before we had access and commitment from Woodbury and Walmart to go through American Fork, because before American Fork was they didn't want anything to do with it, right?

But now that we have Woodbury and Walmart on board, this additional traffic circle, um this takes a lot of that load off of it as well, and so that would help with the traffic.

And that previous traffic study in 2019 was assuming there was no TOD, you know, bus stop, no BRT, no nothing.

And so we weren't taking into consideration any of that traffic load that that would help offset as well.

So that was they haven't completed a new traffic study yet.

I think it would with these new connections and everything, it would show that like Lauren's saying, I think would help take a lot of that burden away from that 12th east connection.

Okay.

And you would conduct the twelve uh the traffic study before we get too far into this, right?

Okay, council, other questions?

Out of curiosity, and I know this is really early on, but the hotel kind of idea, any idea like size of that as far as the number of rooms?

Really don't at this point.

I mean, that would be a matter of land planning, uh height, height requirements.

Um it would be it would be a it would be uh uh uh the B, A to B level class hotel.

Uh it would not be uh an inexpensive, it would be a nice hotel.

Yeah, with a flag.

Some of the previous iterations, I think they were talking of nine to ten stories.

I don't know if that would I mean that just from a density standpoint in comparison of to what was shown previously to the council, and that was I think close to 200 keys, if I remember right.

Yes.

Um that would be right behind the Woodbury property.

It would be right behind right behind the Woodbury commercial.

And the the hope back then was to get a hotel like you'd mentioned that's a little bit higher level than what you currently have in Lehigh for a lot of the the tech and slope people that stay in Salt Lake otherwise.

Okay.

And as you as you can see, there's a lot of open space.

I mean, there's been a lot of discussion tonight about open space and park space and things like that.

Uh as you can see from the plan there, there's a lot of open space that's the water the wetlands that is gonna remain wetlands, it's gonna be remain open space and a lot of greens uh new additional uh green space with uh paths and hiking trails and and and biking trails to the property.

Do you is that been delineated?

Did you do that before I so there we got that delineated in 2019, I think was the last time, 2020?

We have the report.

I just don't have it with me, but that was a new delineation that showed you know four or five years ago what it was.

And if when you come in with the plan, then you'll take it to the core.

Yeah, and that's what this is kind of shown in the background the the yellow, pink, purple, blue blobs.

That was that's the wetland delineation shown in the background of the extents of that wetland.

Okay.

This would this would include for sale units that for sale townhomes as well.

Okay.

Can I ask a question then?

So in our discussion, you were favorable to uh instead of having rentable apartments to do for cell townhomes.

So is that what we're looking at here or is this department complexes?

Well, we we well we're requesting a mixed use.

We're requesting we're requesting um both.

Typically though, mixed use is commercial as well.

Well, the hotel would call qualify as as the commercial.

So it would be it would be uh a hotel uh apartments, multifamily and for sale housing.

Town homes.

The other thing we were looking at in some of the conversations was just also just not trying to solve all the mixed use and TOD in one parcel, but looking at it more holistically with the surrounding areas around it.

And this whole area is you know 100% retail.

I mean, it's just big box store and a lot of parking, and so you do need additional residential in here to kind of create that right mix that you're looking for for a good DOD walkable experience.

And so to balance it out.

This is the last remaining open parcel that you could really do any of that around where that plan stop is to be located.

So that would, you know, it it tends to be higher on the residentials that we're hoping, but obviously what that makes you use is with hotel with for sale with for rent.

So basically what you're looking at then the hotel would be like your 30% of the commercial that's required in mixed use.

Is that how it would be?

And then you would end up with the 330 units, are you essentially maxing out 50 units per acre of the remaining kind of is the residential density as if it was TOD?

Yeah, I mean that's where we're kind of whether it's TOD or mixed use, you're limited to that 330 according to the current master plan anyways, the density map that you have.

Density map.

The density map limits that more than the 330 number is coming from.

Okay.

But yeah, and so the the density, I think if you do the math, it's not it's 30 something units per acre if you were to max out that 330 over nine acres or whatever it is.

So we're not we're not at that 50 units per acre, but that's that's it's more the density map.

That's the map that's limiting that.

And you said that one of the iterations you were talking about doing a hotel is what would be other alternatives for that where it has to be 30 percent commercial in a mixed use zone.

Well probably the hotel would be the only real the really alternative.

Okay and it it makes it would make the most sense being behind Woodbury there, uh behind that commercial.

Um and if we could get enough height to give it some exposure to the to the to Main Street and State Street above the retail and in front, it would be it would be a great use right there.

Ground floor retail just won't do great in this area, as you'd mentioned, there's just no frontage.

Um that's it's not really a destination or draw like a Walmart.

And so unless you have frontage and people can see it, it tends to not do well.

Yeah, we just when you had said that earlier, I'm like, I'm not sure what it else could possibly go there.

So okay, that makes sense.

We've we've racked our brain trying to put something together that makes sense there, and it it just doesn't work.

It the commercial the commercial element just doesn't work in that property.

Retail and commercial doesn't work on that property.

So we've kind of tried to put a together plan or a proposal that makes the best sense for the surrounding area.

For the property and as well.

And uh, you know, a lot of talk about tonight about uh you know derelict properties, uh you know, this property is is I don't know if you've driven through it lately, you've seen it lately.

Uh but there's homeless camps out there, there's people dumping uh concrete and asphalt, a lot of dumping going on.

Um and it's it's only gonna get worse.

So we'd like to have we and Woodbury would love to see something done with it.

Uh American Fork would love to see something done with it, and uh Walmart would as well, uh because it's right now it's kind of an ISOR.

Mayor, could I ask a question of staff?

Uh and I don't know if this is for Kim or Lauren, but uh with the I I know we don't necessarily have like an ERU equivalent when it comes to commercial space, but with you know, kind of a bigger high-rise type hotel situation, are there concerns that that would kind of break the infrastructure uh demand with if they're also maxing out the number of residential units?

We'll have to look at that.

Yes, the answer is yes.

We'll have to look at that.

And so it the hotel carrying send the ERUs, and there's only so much that can be placed over there, period.

So to some extent uh because I because I was thinking maybe we need to put something in place to kind of have an offset, but essentially the infrastructure will uh by talking.

Well we'll automatically do that.

So if the hotels takes the equivalent of a hundred ERUs, then uh really they'd only be able to just do two twenty of residential.

Yeah, okay.

So the infrastructure itself will kind of set that in stone.

I think so.

Okay.

Infrastructure including roadway.

I mean roadway is going to be probably the very biggest.

Yep.

And uh AF has a problem on theirs too.

So it's having this number is going to be difficult no matter how they do the study.

Okay.

So from you from your perspective, there wouldn't be a need from a motion perspective to say it it's explicit in itself just the way that it's structured.

Or would you want something more implicit in the or explicit in the motion?

That's my concern.

Yeah.

You might want to at least identify that yeah, if there is a limitation on the utilities that it might impact the maximum number of ERUs.

Maybe just say infrastructure, because it's not traffic studies going.

But I mean that was in the DRC comments that I think that that would be very appropriate.

And that way we're that way we're not on the fly coming up with the number of what that trade-off would be, is just calling it out, and it just needs to be something that worked out with staff, but at least put it in the explicitly in the motion.

Okay.

I personally like the designation as mixed juice better than the TOD because we're we're years away from a TOD and becoming farther away from that.

So that was what I thought as well.

And well, I I I think it makes sense, but there are issues still tied to this property.

As long as you know going into this, you might get you know, you might get your uh zone change, but you're still a long ways away from getting a product improved.

But I I agree with you, it'd be nice to see this area developed.

It'd be nice to be some see some connectivity.

This is like the third time we've looked at proposals on this property, and connectivity is always killed at every time.

Right.

So we we've tried to solve those problems up front.

As many as we could.

We don't we've obviously the the infrastructure is an issue that's gonna have to be addressed down the road through studies.

Um and we we understand that.

We we acknowledge that, we understand that it's part of the process.

Um maybe to help you, Paul.

In 2020, when they did a utility study on the sewer, it was based on about 426 units.

And it just showed it could work.

There's a little bit of upsizing to the line that went, I think, across I-15, but they showed it wasn't doable.

Okay.

We did upsize that already, didn't we?

Which one do we upsize going over under I-15?

Is that water?

Uh we did water.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Is there when they push that through, or you know, that was actually pretty awesome to watch.

But we've we've done some studies already, and so that it is possible, but there is some work to do.

Infrastructure work to do.

I have another question.

Um again, going back to the wetland area and the nuisance issues there.

Um we've talked about this, that there's potential for that to continue there.

Have you considered what we talked about, making it gated?

Um then also um the amenities for that multifamily housing.

What what are you looking at putting in there?

We haven't gotten to that that kind of detail yet.

Um it's gonna be open, open area.

Uh we're we've done the the engineering study, uh, water line delineation report.

We have that, that's off right now with the Army Corps of Engineers for certification.

When we get that back uh when they certify it, then we'll go into kind of what we have to do to um to build out the amenities and things like that.

But um we need to get this step done first and then we can get into um what it's gonna look like.

And but the plan is to delete it as open space and and make it as appealing to the eye as possible and and to the community.

So that'll be amenities associated with the hotel or the townhomes or whatever in all those units specifically, right?

And then there's all the wetland open space that could be seen more as a public amenity with boardwalks and trails and connectivity through and around the entire area.

Well, it again I express my concern that that still may end up a homeless camp unless there's um some safety features or fencing or something to be.

And yes.

Um and that's where that's where the really the the for sale housing, the for sale housing comes into play.

Um people who buy homes tend to take more pride and take more watch over the surrounding areas and um they tend to police themselves, their own areas.

That that wetland's pretty wet too, if I remember right.

Uh the south end, the south and the blue area is water.

It's actually a lake.

The northern end, the northern and there is more marsh.

Yeah.

And the homeless issue is also right now there's no eyes, nobody's home, right?

It's the back of the house, a Walmart, the back of the house, a Metalmart.

No one's watching this land.

As soon as you start to put people in and you have people living there and owning there, they're gonna help police it.

And almost people want to be where there's not a lot of people watching them.

Hopefully.

Or it could cause problems for the residents.

That's my concern.

Yes.

Agreed.

Okay.

Let me, if you want to take a seat for a minute, I'll see if there's any public comment on this.

Okay.

Thank you.

So anybody in the public would like to comment on this tonight?

Hi, I'm Rachel Freeman.

Um I studied this plan.

And one thing I'm concerned about, again, which I know they're trying to address is but with transportation and access, especially if you consider that much high density.

I mean, that's right behind, you know, desert book, you have uh second hand store, you have a I think there's a maybe a little Indian restaurant.

Um some of those streets are uh kind of one way, uh whereas there's that little roundabout, I think that's over by could be Roxbury.

Um and there's a gray eclipse.

So I kind of know that area pretty well.

Um I would be worried about fire access there.

I think that's another thing they can take into consideration.

Um I mean I just know coming out, you know, do you have Texas Roadhouse?

It can be hard to access that alone.

So some of those, some of those streets help a little bit, but not when you consider the amount of density that's going in.

And that's just something like I would be I would just I'm just concerned for people's safety and I and not something I think we just need to need to worry about.

So any other comments.

Okay, I'll bring it back up here, council.

Uh would you like to make a motion on this item?

Can I make a comment really quickly?

Um it I've talked to the landowners and the developers, and I had really wanted this to work.

Um but I it w it's zone commercial, and it was zone commercial for a reason.

And I I get that there's concern about frontage, but we do have a lot of commercial in that area that don't have frontage that doesn't have frontage, and to give this up for a little bit of commercial a whole lot more housing on our roads, and most of those roads are through are through parking lots.

Um I have a lot of concerns.

It it was zoned TOD with the idea of being a transit-oriented development, and we don't have plans for transit in there.

Um right now there's a bus stop.

And to me, the justification for the density was because of possible future transit, and that's not gonna come for a long, long time.

I was at a a meeting this morning, actually, um in Eagle Mountain, where they the need is now.

Um it's the transit they want is still far out, and this is just future just adding to that the demand, right?

And where the the demand is now, they can't get it, this is future, and it's gonna be farther down the road.

I just see this as a traffic nightmare.

Um and the other issue is we've given a lot given up a lot of commercial area in Lehigh City over the years for residential.

And we're running out of land.

Um and once we're done, uh we're you're we're gonna need this, we're gonna need retail, we're gonna need sales tax revenue.

Um my understanding is the properties owners only have this a year or two.

Um so it yes, it's been sitting empty for a while, but I think that's because of financial issues with the previous owner.

Um so two things.

I would love to keep this commercial.

Um, and I I don't think our infrastructure will be able to handle this if we turn it over to mixed use.

And the other thing is if we just rezone it mixed use, we're going to lose a lot of control over this area.

So my preference is to keep it commercial.

Um again, there's a lot of commercial that's very viable here.

They're doing well.

You know, this is a retail center, and customers come there to shop.

So I think it has potential there.

Yeah, so that's it.

And the other caution I'm going to throw out there to the rest of the council, if you're moving in the direction of rezoning at mixed use, be aware that you're going to lose control.

I think there's potential here, maybe through development agreement or something like that, where the city would have more control over how much housing goes in there, how much density, and then also the protections, right?

Um to keep it not a non-nuisance area.

I just hate to say, well, the residents are just going to keep an eye on things.

They're going to have problems and they're going to end up having a lot of police calls out there.

And that just again, any you add a lot more people in one small area, it adds to the cost of the city.

So we just need to keep that in mind.

Yes.

But it sounds to me, and don't let me put words in your mouth.

It sounds like you would be open to a development agreement that would allow more control with regard to traffic and infrastructure and density.

I I really want to keep this commercial.

But for the rest of the council, if you do want this residential to go in here this much, I would strongly suggest a development agreement.

You would have, and again, the property owner is part part of that contract, so they would have input too, and it would be a compromise what something both sides are willing to work with.

I would suggest going that route than just a blanket rezoning.

And again, I mean, there's just I just really worry, and again, um, sorry, the traffic, most of that is through parking lots, right?

I mean, it's and they're hard enough to drive drive through anyway, so that's gonna be hard on the the customers, um the patrons that go to those businesses to have all that traffic through the parking lot, right?

Probably potential for more accidents.

I have talked to one of the city council members on American Fork, and you know, he was kind and said, Well, you gotta do what's right for Lehigh, but we don't want to, we can't the we know the roads can't handle it.

So that is probably the two biggest concerns are the traffic and retaining commercial property for that needed revenue in the future, so we don't have to raise property taxes on our residents.

But again, my caution is don't sell yourself short, you know, development agreement might be a way to go if you're inclined to do that, but my preference would be to keep a commercial.

Does that help?

Does that make sense?

No, it does.

I I just a couple of clarifying questions on maybe their first half.

Um the mixed use and the TOD both would grant the same density, the 330 units.

I just want to make sure I haven't misunderstood that.

Yeah, when we readopted our general plan, there's a density map that identifies how many units can go in whether it's mixed use or TOD in this area does show the 330.

I would clarify if it goes mixed use, there is not a minimum commercial.

I know that's been brought up a couple times.

The TOD does require 30% of the gross floor area has to be non-residential, which it could actually be a gym or you know, some kind of an amenity space.

But the mixed use that you could do just standalone uh high density.

There's not a base requirement for uh non-residential.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

So yeah, I do.

Um staff with mixed use other than the density map.

Is there any other entitlement to the amount of units they could get?

No, that density map would unless there's a problem with the infrastructure.

So the mixed use they could do, you know, probably the maximum would be the three try to do the 330 plus uh hotel, but then we'd have to see if that even works with our roads and sewer and things like that.

So yeah, I I feel just looking at the commercial that's on the back of that building, the back of Deserant Book.

So yeah, I I feel just looking at the commercial that's on the back of that building, the back of Desert Book can't tell you what commercials there because it's so unviable of people being like there that turnover in those businesses.

So I don't think the balloon that was fun.

Yeah.

There was a toy store there and then yeah I don't know.

So I think it would be really difficult for anybody to come in and make this a full commercial product.

Also there's tax revenues that are sales and use tax with hotel plus you have your room tax and other taxes on top of it.

So hotels we're looking at from clearly just like how much revenue is commercial going to bring in a hotel's pretty good for this city more so than other commercial retail entities are but I I do kind of have concerns about any sense of entitlement where I I have concerns about the amount of the transit study or the traffic study being done because I would assume most of them would go out through the roads to the west but there's only the one light and then be winding through the other um apartment complexes too.

So with me I agree there's there's a lot of parts in this that I would want to hold on to and be able to talk through instead of just saying let's just turn it into mixed use that requires a 30% commercial to a mixed use that doesn't you would assume it would be require a little bit more you know that that would be locked in that they would have to do the hotel I wouldn't want this to just become a straight residential area.

I'm I'm confused about a couple things.

One of them is I always understood the mixed use was primarily a commercial area which would allow residential uses to be compliant.

Is that not true?

So the way our table of uses is set up it it lists multifamily residential as a permitted use in the mixed use so it does allow yeah I know I know it allows for but I thought I thought the goal was to actually provide for commercial in those areas.

Yeah the description states what you're saying but there's no actual you know there must be X number of acres or square feet or anything like that.

So I understand the struggles with this parcel and I really don't see it developing for a long time.

I would love to see connectivity in this area better connectivity than what we have we have we have some securities involved which may or may not work out for the applicant.

One of them is there'll have to be a complete traffic study.

The infrastructure is another thing we don't know yet right but infrastructure is a real issue.

And I know that that meets the criteria but I I think there's some things here that would have to happen before commercial access.

Um I'm open to mixed use, but I think I think that would be a better way to get what we envision here.

And also what they envision here.

I think it would allow them opportunities for the you know the give and take where there's more flexibility built into it.

I mean the big concern that we always worry about is if we do amend this and make it mixed use and they decide not to move forward, they're essentially entitled to whoever they sell it to to a full residential product.

So I think I agree that if we want to be able to keep the intent of mixed use, the intent of TOD to have both commercial and residential, that it would need to be a developer agreement to guarantee that.

And regardless of whoever person of the future, if it's not the current applicant, they still gonna have to meet the same criteria that we'd be expecting now.

Because that's under the traffic issue isn't gonna go away, the density issue isn't going away, and the connectivity issue isn't going to go away.

That's still gonna remain regardless of the zoning.

Even up to this point, I've been impressed with the developers' outreach and willing to work with staff.

Um so I think it's possible they could put together something that's really really unique and special and could really benefit Lehigh.

Council, I'll take a motion on item 14.

Well, it's probably like a mile long.

I can't make the motion why you guys have to do it.

So just so you guys in the audience and particularly the high school kids, I just get to conduct the meeting, that's it.

Uh they don't even let me vote up here.

So why don't you talk something and actually make that happen right now?

Yeah.

Oh, that's exactly right.

We can't.

I should have said that right then.

So don't call it Johnny Revel on me, please.

Okay, so um just to be clear, what we would be doing here is leaving it in the existing general plan designation, but crafting a development agreement under TOD, we can't do that.

How are we gonna do that?

Yes, we've done that.

Well, is TOD is TOD dictated by the state where we can't allow additional uses like the hotel though?

Because in the past we've left it where it is so that if the development agreement doesn't work out.

I think you've got several options.

So tonight we're just looking at amending the general plan.

Now you could direct staff to work on a development agreement.

Lauren and I were just having a conversation.

You could you could leave it in the commercial zone that it's the so the current zoning is commercial.

You could leave it in that zone, but then this development agreement could open the other uses that they would like to have for the mixed use.

Or you could say we're gonna, you know, we're gonna table the general plan, come back with the development agreement and the general plan, and you could rezone it or excuse me, change the general plan of mixed use, but on the condition of these items in the development agreement.

There's a lot of ways we could approach this, whether you want to leave leave the current zoning in place and just add some new uses with the development agreement, or say we're gonna change it to mixed use, but under these terms.

So do you prefer leaving?

Michelle do you leave it in?

Leave it in commercial.

Leave it in commercial.

Um do you want me to try it?

Yeah, that'd be great.

I don't want to vote for that.

So my my question is is would it be possible would it be possible to grant the the amendment to the general plan?

Um rezonant mixed use with the condition of a development agreement to cut and come back with a development agreement to be approved.

I g maybe we could could we make the rezoning contingent upon an approved development agreement.

That's more or less what I'm saying.

Well, I but if we go ahead and rezone it to mixed use, then if you don't come back with the development agreement, you sell it to tax priority.

Well, any development would be subject to an approved development agreement.

Okay.

But that's my point.

And my point my point is is can we make it mixed use, but and any development subject to approval of of a general plan of a development agreement?

Trying to figure out if there's something I mean at the on the surface it seems like six and one half dozen of the other.

But but if I'm looking at it and it's zoned, you know, commercial and we're putting in townhomes and things, it it doesn't sound I mean, mixed use sounds more like what we're actually looking to put in.

That's that's my point.

My point is that it is that we're talking about a development agreement that completely contradicts the current zoning.

If we if we approve the mixed use zoning subject to a development agreement, that seems to be more along the lines of of what the council is looking for is more control over the the the development of that site being part commercial, still the m maintain the integrity of the commercial, but also allow residential on the property.

So is this something where we could put time constraints on it and say subject to a development agreement being Do you want that?

Do you want I mean if without the development agreement again, they get the full rights, right?

330 maximum.

I just want to clarify that is a maximum amount.

I wouldn't do it because if I'm going to approve this, I I want some controls.

I want to make sure the hotel, that was my thing.

It was like that's that's a good source of tax revenue.

I really want that to happen.

But they don't have to do that with mixed.

They could do full-on residential.

And that my very first night in the city council, that's what they tried to do, right?

It's it was TOD.

They don't want to do TOD, so they did mixed use and they got full all residential.

So we we would lose any opportunity to have control to bring in some commercial or something else there.

Well my part, to make it it would have to be part of the development agreement or revert back.

Which is right, exactly.

Exactly.

Mixed use with more restrictions.

So it's so it's either mixed use with more restrictions or state leave it commercial with additional entitlements.

And this is my concern, and Ryan could maybe help me or Kim, but I think we've had this discussion before where there's a section in state code that about entitled land uses or zoning rights and not that you cannot require a development agreement with that.

Do you do you remember that?

I think if it's I think if the zone change is contingent on the development agreement, then that that would I I would think that would circumvent any concern of uh uh a taking because the only way they get it is by agreeing to it.

I I would just say don't.

We can we could accomplish both things this way, right?

Through a development agreement, just keeping it how it is and doing a development agreement.

But once you change the zoning, they're entitled to those all those rights.

They don't have to do they could just say no to the development agreement.

We're not gonna sign it and they'll get it.

But if they say no to the development agreement, then it does they don't get the zone change.

Can you do that?

Do you know?

I just don't think I mean the way that we have typically done it is again, it's usually not at the general plan level that we do a development agreement.

It's usually in connection with the zone change.

But I mean, our preference is definitely to bring them back together, right?

Because there's language in in typically there's language in the development agreement that'll say, or maybe it's in the general plan amendment.

In the independent exercise of its legislative discretion, that da-da-da-da.

So we usually bring that we usually bring them back together.

The development agreement is usually on first.

If that if if that doesn't get approved you don't even the other one goes away.

So that's our preference for sure.

That's where I feel more comfortable too.

So table or deny this or no, well, yes, send it for developer agreement.

Um I wouldn't change the zone.

We would do that all in one together.

So it's state commercial.

They could go work on the developer agreement.

And that if it makes sense that with passing the developer agreement to have it be mixed use, you can change it at that time.

But I don't know that it matters.

So do you table this item though?

Because you don't deny it.

Yeah, to table it.

Okay.

And then as conversation with the with the staff goes on, determine whether the second aspect besides the development agreement is to leave it as commercial with a development agreement or change it to mixed use at that point.

So we're just slightly ahead of ourselves on what we really need to do is.

Okay.

So we we attempted to do that, move forward with a development agreement, and we're told by um I think Kim and Brittany both that we needed that they needed your instructions to begin working.

That's the same.

That's true.

That's what we're doing.

Okay, or you are just directing staff.

Yes.

Perfect.

Directing staff to move forward with that.

Michelle, are you still good to go?

I think so.

But I take a stab at it and we'll I do want to caution.

I found it in state code of a municipality may not require development agreement as condition for developing land within the musicipality if the development otherwise um complies with applicable statute and municipal ordinances if it's allowed or permitted use.

Um land use regulations, otherwise establish all blah, blah, blah.

So I am translated, please go.

If somebody comes in and their project already meets the underlying zoning and they don't they don't need any change to the land use ordinances, then you can't require them to enter the development agreement to get anything extra that you're after.

Does that make sense?

But if if the project that they are um proposing now doesn't fit under the current zoning, and so or they need extra uses or things, then you can require development agreements.

But if we change the zone and then it's allowed, does that change things?

That's that's my change the zone and it would be voted on first and then.

Okay, I I see what Michelle's saying.

Because we do this, right?

We we do the developer agreement and then we change it to the mixed use and then decide not to move forward.

And now we've changed it to means it mixed use and it's sitting there at mixed use and the developer agreement's now void.

So I I would almost just be like if we can put the residential and commercial and we're all doing in the developer agreement, just keep it commercial, because to me the the underlying piece of this is commercial, and that's not what we're doing tonight anyways.

All we're gonna do is redirect is direct staff to do the developer agreement.

It has nothing to do with zone.

But when it does come back, Brian can do the legal analysis between now and I'd be fine just keeping it as commercial with residential uses.

Yeah.

Either way, the action we're taking tonight is.

Um it's always helpful if you have even if it's just broad parameters, what Ryan and I should be looking at putting into the development agreement.

You if you have a general idea of these are some of the main points we want to see, that's helpful.

I mean, I've like you said, I've been listening, but it would be helpful to know.

We'll see if yours match.

It'll be a good idea.

Yeah, there you go.

Just telepathy.

Yeah.

So anyways, just a suggestion that in the motion, if that's the direction you go, give us some some general direction on some marching orders.

So Michelle, if you want to craft the motion on the table, and then we could add if you don't cover all the things that we're looking for.

Yeah.

Is that okay?

Well, sure.

I'll add slide.

Okay.

Um move that we table ordinance 58-2025, water at water's edge general plan amendment on approximately 13.02 acres located at approximately 1,300 east, 175 south, changing the land use designation from transit oriented development to mixed use.

Um direct staff to craft a development agreement.

Um that would include me, general, uh high-end hotel.

Umor-occupied town homes.

Um with the required uh multifamily amenities.

Um public access pedestrian bridge across the wetlands.

Umnectivity.

Road connectivity.

To the north and to the east.

Um, Waterbury.

And I'm not sure.

Woodbury, sorry.

Would very putting in a traffic circle on their property or an agreement with Woodbury to put in a traffic or well, if we can do that.

I don't know.

They've agreed to with you guys, sorry.

I think that's all tied into the traffic.

If it's needed, then it'll be the traffic study.

Um and the necessary um infrastructure studies, road, sewer, and power.

I want to look at power.

I don't I don't know if you need a full-on study, but yeah.

And to limit the number of residential units um to what and take in consideration the hotel and limit the number of residential units to what the infrastructure can support.

Recognizing that 330 units is not a vested right, but it's the maximum density.

Right.

So yeah.

The greater of or the lesser of the case.

The lesser out of when you said the maximum allowable density, residential density.

Okay.

Oh, and then um see.

Um and look at um look at making it at a gated community that expense to sorry too much, but recognizing that the amenities provided to the multifamily housing is private to that development.

Um they're not gonna be public amenities and since they'll be covered by the maintenance will be covered by HOA costs.

Second cave.

So I got a motion of a second.

I'm gonna ask for questions.

I'm gonna ask the first one.

I is it necessary to specify a gated community right now.

She said look at it.

Just I really am concerned about the question.

Okay, I thought you were specifying that it had to be that.

I would say rather than saying gated, because I was thinking of the same thing as mayor just say find a way to address the potential nuisance of you know uh transient of transient concerns that are on property.

And the other thing is they I mean I understand you're just suggesting that as one solution, but I think if more broader application let them get creative on how they potentially solve it, and maybe it is the gated.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, and they uh the other thing we had talked about was the amenities again.

I mean, we have another uh high density department complex there, and you know, I could see people coming over there and using that.

I don't think that's fair because they're not paying for it, you know.

Um they're gonna be general.

Yeah, and that's why.

I think would benefit them.

So anyway.

Yes, so any other comments.

Um I I see some whispering in our first two rows, gentlemen.

Is there anything that you would like us to consider that we have not mentioned?

We're in the middle of a motion right now.

Yeah, I know.

I'm just wondering, but they're they look very concerned, and I'm wondering if we need to only the only that these the the the foresale.

I was we were hoping to get some level of multifamily on the site, as well as I I don't think the motion dictated that it had to be all for sale, but just that there had to be a for sale element unless I misinterpreted the case.

Owner occupied, what did I say?

You did said owner occupied, yeah.

Owner, excuse me.

Owner occupied with a deed restriction.

Um but I'm okay with that.

Typically our TOD has some requirements for owner.

It's 30 percent, yeah.

Okay.

So it have the the TD requirements.

So that would follow our standards if you specified 30 percent.

At least 30 percent.

I'd like to see more, but it is 30 percent as a minimum.

So at least 30 percent owner occupied.

Well, we can't control owner occupied, though.

We can we can for sale housing, but we can't control where they buy it as a rental or as a uh I mean you can't do that.

Are the states working on that?

Yeah.

Well, good luck with that.

Well, the state is working on that because that's a big issue.

I would love to see that in my community where I live.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, but it's an HOA too.

We could say that that needs to be a requirement.

Because you have that in Travers.

I mean, like yeah, some people get a rate, but if we have some support from the state, then maybe you would have more support on your HOA bylaws too.

Yes.

Yes, but it's it is difficult in this in this environment to require owner occupied um for sale units.

Uh there's a lot of investors out there that like sorry I'm gonna interrupt.

We are in the middle of a motion.

Oh, sorry.

Usually never do anything.

We never take comment.

We're not supposed to take comment even from the applicant in the case.

Sorry, so I was asked.

Yeah.

No, it's true.

And I just want to make sure we didn't like stop it in its tracks by doing something that would end the project.

But I think we correct.

So I got a motion.

Second stance.

The second stance with the adjustments made.

Any other questions on the motion?

And the adjustment is essentially having the the four sale units mirror what the TOD requirements were.

At least 30 percent, at least.

I'll emphasize that.

And also that it was more broad on addressing the nuisance.

Okay.

Yes, that's right.

Okay.

That being said, I'm gonna I'm gonna go I'm gonna start with Michelle to vote.

It's your motion.

I hope you're gonna vote for your own.

You can say that.

Don't pull a crisp, don't pull a crisis on it.

You can't make the motion and say yes.

Oh, you're stuck.

There you go.

That's right.

That's that's true.

Thank you.

That makes me feel better.

So I'm I'm gonna vote yes.

That is a motion to table.

Heather.

Yes.

Paul.

Yes.

And Paige.

Yeah.

And I didn't have to vote.

See that?

Oh.

Kids?

Mayor doesn't get to vote, even when they threaten them.

Okay.

Uh I that is our last agenda item of the night.

And I found out last week after all these years that I do not have to ask for a motion to adjourn.

I just call for an adjournment and say we're adjourned.

I had no idea.

All that time.

Well, because nobody ever votes against adjournment anyway.

Well, we were about to, so bad because I learned there's no rules I followed.

We we totally disgied.

We were gonna say no.

Everyone, thank you for coming tonight.

And for you high school kids that stuck around.

Awesome.