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FSM PRC Meeting - September 29, 2024: Roadways Over Dams and Private Street Reserve Fund

Commissions & Advisory BoardsSunday, September 29, 2024
BodyLoudoun County, Virginia
SessionCommissions & Advisory Boards
DateSunday, September 29, 2024
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:01

Welcome everyone.

0:02

I'd like to call to order the September 19th, 2024 for the School Beast Anders Manual Public Review Committee meeting.

0:10

We'll have one person participating remotely.

0:14

So pursuant to the code of Virginia Section 2.2708.3 in accordance with the advisory board.

0:23

And the Loudon County Board of Supervisors Committee remote participation policy dated to October 6, 2022, and the May 16th, 2023 PRC bylaws.

0:35

Keith Simpson is participating in a meeting.

0:44

From Herden Virginia due to a business meeting at a location is not open to the public.

0:50

Made this request within the time frame required by the policy, and the county attorney has determined that he needs the qualification.

1:01

As required by law, if political form of the PRC is present in the Dallas room, and the PRC has made arrangements for his voice to be heard by all persons in the Dallas room.

1:10

Record shall reflect the members participating remotely, the reason and the location.

1:16

Record shall also reflect that we are members of one or more affiliated groups and our respective declarations.

1:32

So I say actually Keith will be joining us part way through the meeting.

1:40

So we have a few administrative items to take care of.

1:52

Sure.

1:52

We don't have any public comment today.

1:55

And our next item is to approve the September 5th minutes.

2:03

Whatever you would like.

2:27

Whatever you want to do.

2:31

Comfortable, I'd appreciate a motion to approve the minutes as presented.

2:40

Thank you.

2:42

Thank you, Derek.

2:43

All in favor, please say aye.

2:45

Aye.

2:54

Okay, so the next thing is an update.

2:56

Next item is an update on the DOM royal.

3:00

At the board business meeting on September 17th this week, the board of supervisors approved both resolutions of intent to amend for the two DOEAMPS.

3:09

One DOEM is for inundation zone amendments, and the other DOEAM is for our first zoning rings rewrite amendments, which is the first three tech remotes that we is.

3:19

So that gets the ball rolling.

3:21

Our next step is to go to the October 22nd planning commission public hearing, and hopefully we'll be headed to a November board public hearing and a January adoption date.

3:37

So that's it was on consent.

3:39

There was no discussion.

3:54

Yeah.

3:59

Um our first um technical item on the agenda is roadways over dams.

4:09

So while I'm opening documents, that's going to present this, but we have Kevin Federline from the fire marshal's office.

4:14

And Kevin, you want to introduce yourself?

4:17

Your pen reviewer at Fire Marshall's office.

4:30

Yes, please do.

4:31

So we feel like we've lost some momentum on this one.

4:34

We keep circling back, you know, months in between.

4:40

So we did revise the text to try to capture whatever you know the concerns that everyone had.

4:47

And we did have a discussion item throughout our internal discussions that we wanted to bring up.

5:00

And that was in the same spirit as all this dam embankment, you know, regulations being considered.

5:04

Would it be prudent to also consider bridge systems in this in the same type of thing for private roads and things like that?

5:14

We weren't sure how to what terms to use for that because there are a lot of different types of bridge systems that can be installed.

5:23

Um so we kind of wanted to just present that to all of you and work through it together.

5:28

You know, is it is it a smart addition?

5:32

Is it is it something that you know are there's certain things that should be added and others that shouldn't uh you know what what would be the thought of the the group there?

5:41

And is this is this text uh achieve what we were looking for?

5:47

So this is a point to bridges yet.

5:49

This is just just a recap real quick.

5:51

This is the first amendment.

5:54

We didn't do much here, but the text in gray to say if such roadways deemed to be a fire operators access road, section 4810 section, um, just to make sure that that's good.

6:14

So the bridge issue comes up in 4810, I think.

6:17

Yes, yes, but I just want I just wanted to at least show you the gray because the new text is in gray.

6:22

Yellow with some old text amendments that we had made at a previous meeting.

6:28

Is it necessary?

6:29

Because if it's deemed to be a fire apparatus access road, doesn't 4810 automatically apply for any it does.

6:37

We did this for like category A, B, and C roads, I think.

6:41

Um, just to be clear.

6:43

Now that was a different issue, right?

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Fire Apparatus Access████████████████████████████28%
Engineering And Infrastructure████████████████████20%
Zoning Ordinance████████████████16%
Homeowners Association██████████████14%
Zoning Regulations███████████11%
Procedural██████6%
Bridge Regulations█████5%
Summary of Proceedings

FSM PRC Meeting - September 29, 2024

Note: The agenda lists the meeting as September 19, 2024, but the provided timestamp indicates September 29, 2024. This summary uses the given date.

The Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee (FSM PRC) met to discuss proposed amendments for roadways over dams, a new 10-year reserve fund requirement for private streets, and administrative updates. The meeting included approval of previous minutes, a DOAM update, and a preliminary discussion on stormwater regulation transitions.

Consent Calendar

  • Approval of Minutes: The minutes from the September 5, 2024, meeting were approved unanimously.
  • DOAM ROIA Update: Staff reported that the Board of Supervisors approved two resolutions of intent to amend on September 17, 2024—one for inundation zone amendments and one for the first three zoning ordinance rewrite amendments. The next step is a Planning Commission public hearing on October 22, 2024, with a Board hearing in November and adoption targeted for January 2025.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • No public comments were made.

Discussion Items

Roadways Over Dams (Proposed Text Amendments)

  • Kevin Federline (Fire Marshal’s Office) presented revised text for fire apparatus access roads crossing dam embankments or causeways. Key points included:
    • Public vs. Private Roads: The proposed text requires that at least one publicly maintained fire apparatus access road not cross a dam embankment or causeway, while privately maintained such roads shall not cross at all. Committee members questioned the differing standards, citing maintenance concerns for HOAs. Staff explained that public roads have enforcement mechanisms (e.g., VDOT involvement) that private roads lack, making stricter rules for private roads necessary.
    • Bridges and Culverts: The discussion expanded to include bridges, with concern about long-term maintenance of structures with abutments or piers. Members clarified that open-bottom arches (e.g., Bebo arches, conspan) and box culverts are acceptable, but bridges with traditional abutments or piers are problematic. The committee refined the language to define a bridge as a structure with abutments or piers, excluding open-bottom arches and box culverts. Definitions for roadway dam and roadway causeway were drawn from the VDOT Drainage Manual.
    • Next Steps: The committee agreed to send the proposed amendments (including a previously approved plat note) out for agency referral. No objections were raised. The text will be updated with the refined definitions.

10-Year Reserve Fund for Private Streets

  • Staff introduced a new requirement in the zoning ordinance (Section 7-701) that all private roads must have an established reserve fund sufficient for maintenance and repairs for 10 years, commencing with the initial record plat or site plan. The committee discussed:
    • Funding Mechanism: Whether the fund must be fully funded upfront (lump sum) or can be an accruing sinking fund. Members noted that HOAs typically use reserve studies with a budget plan, not full upfront funding. Questions arose about the timing—roads are under bond for several years, and the 10-year period seems misaligned.
    • Developer vs. HOA Obligation: The ordinance does not specify who funds the reserve. Some members suggested that developers may already contribute through initial capital contributions, but the intent of the requirement remains unclear.
    • Administration and Monitoring: Staff expressed concern about verifying compliance and the county’s capacity to oversee such funds.
    • Decision: The committee decided to seek clarification from the Department of Planning and Zoning on the original intent of the requirement and to request examples of existing reserve studies used by developers to inform potential FSM guidance. No action was taken on the language itself.

Stormwater Regulation Transition (Version 3 to Version 4)

  • A committee member raised concerns about the upcoming July 1, 2025 deadline for the state’s switch from version 3 to version 4 of stormwater regulations. Key points:
    • Version 3 requires a phosphorus load of 0.41 lb/acre/year; version 4 reduces it to 0.26. The state has issued guidance on completing plans under version 3 if submitted by the deadline.
    • The committee questioned whether Loudoun County will follow the state’s timeline or impose stricter rules. Members noted that western Loudoun may be disproportionately affected.
    • Next Step: Staff will consider issuing a technical memo to clarify the county’s position and will bring the topic back for further discussion.

Key Outcomes

  • Roadways Over Dams: The proposed text (including bridge definitions) will be sent for agency referral. The committee supported the refined definitions and the distinction between public and private roads.
  • Reserve Fund for Private Streets: Staff will gather more information from zoning and developers; no formal action taken.
  • Stormwater Regulations: Staff will explore a tech memo to address version 3/4 transition concerns.
  • Next Meetings: Scheduled for Thursday, October 3, and Thursday, October 17, 2024. Upcoming topics include sidewalks, DCR/DWR information, remedial revegetation plans, and ADU conversion processes.

Meeting Transcript

Welcome everyone. I'd like to call to order the September 19th, 2024 for the School Beast Anders Manual Public Review Committee meeting. We'll have one person participating remotely. So pursuant to the code of Virginia Section 2.2708.3 in accordance with the advisory board. And the Loudon County Board of Supervisors Committee remote participation policy dated to October 6, 2022, and the May 16th, 2023 PRC bylaws. Keith Simpson is participating in a meeting. From Herden Virginia due to a business meeting at a location is not open to the public. Made this request within the time frame required by the policy, and the county attorney has determined that he needs the qualification. As required by law, if political form of the PRC is present in the Dallas room, and the PRC has made arrangements for his voice to be heard by all persons in the Dallas room. Record shall reflect the members participating remotely, the reason and the location. Record shall also reflect that we are members of one or more affiliated groups and our respective declarations. So I say actually Keith will be joining us part way through the meeting. So we have a few administrative items to take care of. Sure. We don't have any public comment today. And our next item is to approve the September 5th minutes. Whatever you would like. Whatever you want to do. Comfortable, I'd appreciate a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Thank you. Thank you, Derek. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay, so the next thing is an update. Next item is an update on the DOM royal. At the board business meeting on September 17th this week, the board of supervisors approved both resolutions of intent to amend for the two DOEAMPS. One DOEM is for inundation zone amendments, and the other DOEAM is for our first zoning rings rewrite amendments, which is the first three tech remotes that we is. So that gets the ball rolling. Our next step is to go to the October 22nd planning commission public hearing, and hopefully we'll be headed to a November board public hearing and a January adoption date. So that's it was on consent. There was no discussion. Yeah. Um our first um technical item on the agenda is roadways over dams. So while I'm opening documents, that's going to present this, but we have Kevin Federline from the fire marshal's office. And Kevin, you want to introduce yourself? Your pen reviewer at Fire Marshall's office. Yes, please do. So we feel like we've lost some momentum on this one. We keep circling back, you know, months in between. So we did revise the text to try to capture whatever you know the concerns that everyone had. And we did have a discussion item throughout our internal discussions that we wanted to bring up. And that was in the same spirit as all this dam embankment, you know, regulations being considered. Would it be prudent to also consider bridge systems in this in the same type of thing for private roads and things like that? We weren't sure how to what terms to use for that because there are a lot of different types of bridge systems that can be installed. Um so we kind of wanted to just present that to all of you and work through it together. You know, is it is it a smart addition? Is it is it something that you know are there's certain things that should be added and others that shouldn't uh you know what what would be the thought of the the group there? And is this is this text uh achieve what we were looking for? So this is a point to bridges yet. This is just just a recap real quick.

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