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Joint ZOC/PRC Meeting: Floodplain Regulation Revisions – May 8, 2025

Commissions & Advisory BoardsThursday, May 8, 2025
BodyLoudoun County, Virginia
SessionCommissions & Advisory Boards
DateThursday, May 8, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:05

I'm gonna read a formal introduction.

0:08

Technically, this is a meeting of the FSM Public Review Committee.

0:13

And we're gonna the members of ZOC are here invited, yes.

0:17

Well at least lots of other folks from staff.

0:20

Um this is technically an official meeting of the PRC, so I have to read this.

0:27

The May 1st, 2025 joint zoning ordinance committee and facility standards is not doing this.

0:34

I'd like to call we're the May 1st, 2025.

0:37

So Civility Standards may do a public committee meeting.

0:40

Resoring to the code of Virginia Section 2.2 3708.3 and in accordance with the Board of Supervisors policies and procedures on advisory boards, commissions, and committees, dated October 6, 2022 and the May 16th, 2023 PRC bylaws.

1:05

That is not open to the public public.

1:07

He can't unfortunately do it to a temporary disability.

1:11

He made this request within the time frame required by the policy, and the county attorney has determined that he makes the qualifications and participate remotely.

1:21

That's required by law.

1:22

A physical quorum of the PRC is present in the Dallas room, and the PRC has made arrangements for David's voice to be heard by all persons in the Dellis room.

1:32

Just to let everybody know, Jason Hobie with the county attorney's office will also be participating online.

1:38

The record shall reflect the members participating remotely, the reason and the location, and our record shall also reflect that we are members of one or more affected groups, and our respective declarations of interest are kept on file in the minutes of the facility standards manual public review committee.

1:54

Again, members of the ZOC committee are also here today.

1:59

Um we still have no members of the public signed up to speak.

2:04

That's correct.

2:05

Okay, so there's a gentleman in the back.

2:09

It's an old face from lots of committees.

2:16

Oh wow.

2:18

All right, these are um so what I'm gonna do is turn the bulkness meeting over to Gwen to introduce staff and get into our presentation on the zoning or zoning orange revisions and FSM revisions related to floodplain.

2:36

So good morning, everybody.

2:37

I'm Gwen Kennedy.

2:38

I'm the Natural Resource Division Manager for the Department of Building and Development.

2:42

I see a lot of familiar faces in the room that I've worked with over the years.

2:46

Um I just wanted to give you a brief overview of this, the staff from DVD specifically, who's been is helping with this effort to basically do a zoning ordinance amendment, a ZMAP, a zoning map amendment, and as and as well as a development ordinance amendment to run these floodplain regulation changes.

3:09

Um so beside me is Maggie Auer, who is our floodplain administrator.

3:14

So she is responsible for basic that as it says administering the floodplain through for the county and is the team leader for her team.

3:23

Um that team consists of Todd Taylor, free Thin Thetic Ray and Zoo, who are all sitting in the back right there.

3:31

So can you guys at least wait?

3:34

Okay, awesome.

3:35

And beside them as well is Melanie Mason, who is the natural resources program manager.

3:40

Also working on this effort with us is Josh Elkins, who works for um Department of Planning Zoning, who's also here.

3:47

If you want to just wave your hand.

3:50

So we we really welcome um this first meeting.

3:53

Our goal here is to really provide a pre we're gonna give you a presentation to kind of give you an overview generally of what the high level of the what the zoning ordinance amendment changes are in floodplain changes.

4:06

When um we're asking that you hold your questions till the end.

4:11

Um Maggie's gonna give a presentation and we'll be able to ask some high-level things.

4:15

We're not gonna be getting into like line by line detail at this point.

4:19

Um, we will make that, and I'll talk a little bit about at the end about how the review processing timeline will work.

4:26

Um, but with that, I think I could pass it over to to Maggie and she'll start the presentation.

4:31

All right, thank you, Glenn.

4:35

Okay.

4:41

All right, well, I can go to the first slide.

4:44

This right along.

4:45

All right, so good afternoon, everyone.

4:47

As Gwen said, my name is Martin Hower.

4:49

I am the public administrator for Loudon County.

4:53

So on the screen here, you'll just see uh the quick overview of what we'll be talking about today and what we're gonna cover in the presentation.

5:02

As when mentioned, we've set aside some time for questions at the end.

5:05

So if you can just hold them until then, that would be appreciated.

5:09

And I want all of you for participating in this.

5:12

We are proposing the changes, and we've been working hard to make sure got outreach and understanding from everybody.

5:20

So I'm glad we're able to have this kind of unconventional joint meeting.

5:26

And this, like one said, we'll just give you an overview of what to expect as you guys go through your next couple of respective meetings.

5:39

All right, so to get us started, I'm going to give some quick background on how we have gotten to where we are today.

5:46

The last time there was a significant revision was at a FEMA audit in 2015.

5:54

So the county updated the zoning ordinance to correct deficiencies and to bring the ordinance into compliance with these standards.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Floodplain Management█████████████████████████████████████████████53%
Zoning Regulations████████████████████24%
Zoning Ordinance███████████13%
Procedural███3%
Stormwater Management███3%
Parks and Recreation██2%
Meeting Management██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Joint Zoning Ordinance Committee and Facilities Standards Manual Public Review Committee Meeting – Floodplain Regulation Revisions – May 8, 2025

Note: The agenda and transcript indicate this meeting took place on May 1, 2025, but the user specified the meeting date as May 8, 2025. This summary reflects the content of the May 1 meeting.

The meeting was a joint session of the Zoning Ordinance Committee (ZOC) and the Facilities Standards Manual Public Review Committee (PRC) to discuss proposed amendments to the Zoning Ordinance (ZO) and Facilities Standards Manual (FSM) related to floodplain regulations. Staff from the Department of Building and Development, including Natural Resources Division Manager Gwen Kennedy and Floodplain Administrator Maggie Auer, presented an overview of the draft changes. The goal is to maintain compliance with FEMA’s National Flood Insurance Program, improve clarity, and align with the county’s Comprehensive Plan. No members of the public signed up to speak, but committee members asked detailed questions and raised concerns.

Discussion Items

Zoning Ordinance Amendments

  • Floodplain Map Updates: The proposed change allows staff to update floodplain maps as studies are approved, without a separate zoning map amendment (ZMAP) public process. In place of that, a property owner notification requirement will be added to Chapter 8 of the FSM.
  • Permitted Uses Table (Section 503E): Changes include removing “active recreation” as a permitted use in the major floodplain to align with the Comprehensive Plan, removing swimming pools as a permitted use in the minor floodplain, and adding “adaptive reuse” in both major and minor floodplains. The use table was reorganized with ‘Y’ indicators for clarity.
  • Development Procedures (Section 503P): Renamed to “floating development” for clarity. The requirement for a Conditional Letter of Map Revision (CLOMR) and timeline were moved from the FSM to the ZO to align with state code.
  • Development Standards (Section 503H): A zoning permit will now be required for any development in both major and minor floodplains, not just major. This aims to better track development (e.g., fences, tree planting) in the regulated floodplain.
  • Purpose Clause (Section 605): The purpose language was changed from “conserve the natural state of water courses” to “improve public health, safety, convenience, and welfare.” Staff explained that FEMA’s primary focus is life and property protection, not environmental protection. Some members expressed concern that the new language is too vague.

Facilities Standards Manual (FSM) Amendments

  • Floodplain Study Type One (Section 5411): Clarified when a type one study is applicable to make it easier for applicants to determine appropriateness.
  • No Rise/No Impact Certification: Replaces the old “Declaration of No Impact Statement.” This certification applies to a broader range of projects, but staff noted it will require case-by-case evaluation.
  • Floodplain Alteration Type One (Section 5442): Expanded to include additional scenarios (e.g., revisions to approved models, such as updating rainfall data), reducing the need for full type two alterations.
  • Plan Requirements (Section 8104/8105): Added requirements for a narrative describing the project, spatially referenced digital model files, property owner notifications when floodplain boundaries change, and final mapping files to expedite map updates.

Key Concerns Raised by Committee Members

  • Active Recreation: Several members questioned removing active recreation as a permitted use in major floodplain. Concerns included the broad definition of “active recreation,” impacts on existing parks and golf courses, and the inability to expand non-conforming uses. Staff clarified the removal was driven by the Comprehensive Plan, but the Planning Commission is re-evaluating that plan. Members requested analysis of how many parks and HOAs would be affected.
  • Minor Utilities vs. Underground Utility Lines: Discussion focused on whether underground utility lines (e.g., water service laterals) would now require a special exception under the “minor utility” definition. Staff confirmed underground lines are not minor utilities and would not trigger a special exception, but above-ground features like pump stations would. Members requested clearer distinction.
  • Notification Requirements: A member asked why the property owner notification requirement (for floodplain map changes) is only in the FSM and not also in the ZO, since users often look at the ZO first. Staff said it could be added to the ZO.
  • Grandfathering: Industry representatives expressed concern about the lack of a grandfathering provision for projects already in development when the new regulations take effect. The county attorney noted the changes are largely a transition from an overlay district to performance standards, so permissions are mostly unchanged, but members urged early planning for implementation.
  • No-Rise/No-Impact Certification: Members sought clarity on which specific projects would qualify (e.g., filling an ineffective ditch). Staff explained it depends on technical demonstration and is not a fixed list.
  • Separation Distance: The old practice of avoiding a floodplain study if a project had sufficient horizontal (5 vertical feet or 3 horizontal feet) separation is now codified, but members wondered if this applies to limits of disturbance or structure location.
  • Overlay District to Performance Standards: A member asked whether changing from an overlay district to performance standards would alter the interpretation that the floodplain zone extends infinitely upward (e.g., for a pedestrian bridge over the floodplain). Staff agreed this needs further discussion.
  • Stormwater Management: Members questioned the performance criteria numbers (e.g., 600 sq ft accessory structures, two-thirds of drainage area for stormwater). Staff said FEMA dictates 600 sq ft, but other numbers are county-driven and open to discussion.

Key Outcomes

  • No formal votes were taken; this was an introductory discussion.
  • Next Steps:
    • The ZOC will hold its first meeting on May 7, 2025 to review ZO amendments.
    • The PRC will meet May 15, 2025 to review FSM amendments.
    • Staff aims to complete committee review before the August recess, with three meetings each.
    • After committee input, a draft will go to state agencies (DCR for FEMA review) and county referrals in September, then return to committees in October for formal recommendation.
    • The Planning Commission and Board of Supervisors will consider the amendments later (late 2025/early 2026).
  • Staff will compile a list of FEMA-required vs. county-initiated changes to help committees focus.
  • Staff will coordinate with the Planning Commission on the active recreation issue during the Comprehensive Plan amendment process.
  • Version control of draft documents will be managed as multiple iterations are produced.

Meeting Transcript

I'm gonna read a formal introduction. Technically, this is a meeting of the FSM Public Review Committee. And we're gonna the members of ZOC are here invited, yes. Well at least lots of other folks from staff. Um this is technically an official meeting of the PRC, so I have to read this. The May 1st, 2025 joint zoning ordinance committee and facility standards is not doing this. I'd like to call we're the May 1st, 2025. So Civility Standards may do a public committee meeting. Resoring to the code of Virginia Section 2.2 3708.3 and in accordance with the Board of Supervisors policies and procedures on advisory boards, commissions, and committees, dated October 6, 2022 and the May 16th, 2023 PRC bylaws. That is not open to the public public. He can't unfortunately do it to a temporary disability. He made this request within the time frame required by the policy, and the county attorney has determined that he makes the qualifications and participate remotely. That's required by law. A physical quorum of the PRC is present in the Dallas room, and the PRC has made arrangements for David's voice to be heard by all persons in the Dellis room. Just to let everybody know, Jason Hobie with the county attorney's office will also be participating online. The record shall reflect the members participating remotely, the reason and the location, and our record shall also reflect that we are members of one or more affected groups, and our respective declarations of interest are kept on file in the minutes of the facility standards manual public review committee. Again, members of the ZOC committee are also here today. Um we still have no members of the public signed up to speak. That's correct. Okay, so there's a gentleman in the back. It's an old face from lots of committees. Oh wow. All right, these are um so what I'm gonna do is turn the bulkness meeting over to Gwen to introduce staff and get into our presentation on the zoning or zoning orange revisions and FSM revisions related to floodplain. So good morning, everybody. I'm Gwen Kennedy. I'm the Natural Resource Division Manager for the Department of Building and Development. I see a lot of familiar faces in the room that I've worked with over the years. Um I just wanted to give you a brief overview of this, the staff from DVD specifically, who's been is helping with this effort to basically do a zoning ordinance amendment, a ZMAP, a zoning map amendment, and as and as well as a development ordinance amendment to run these floodplain regulation changes. Um so beside me is Maggie Auer, who is our floodplain administrator. So she is responsible for basic that as it says administering the floodplain through for the county and is the team leader for her team. Um that team consists of Todd Taylor, free Thin Thetic Ray and Zoo, who are all sitting in the back right there. So can you guys at least wait? Okay, awesome. And beside them as well is Melanie Mason, who is the natural resources program manager. Also working on this effort with us is Josh Elkins, who works for um Department of Planning Zoning, who's also here. If you want to just wave your hand. So we we really welcome um this first meeting. Our goal here is to really provide a pre we're gonna give you a presentation to kind of give you an overview generally of what the high level of the what the zoning ordinance amendment changes are in floodplain changes. When um we're asking that you hold your questions till the end. Um Maggie's gonna give a presentation and we'll be able to ask some high-level things. We're not gonna be getting into like line by line detail at this point. Um, we will make that, and I'll talk a little bit about at the end about how the review processing timeline will work. Um, but with that, I think I could pass it over to to Maggie and she'll start the presentation. All right, thank you, Glenn. Okay. All right, well, I can go to the first slide. This right along. All right, so good afternoon, everyone. As Gwen said, my name is Martin Hower. I am the public administrator for Loudon County.

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