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Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee Meeting - April 15, 2026

Commissions & Advisory BoardsWednesday, April 15, 2026
BodyLoudoun County, Virginia
SessionCommissions & Advisory Boards
DateWednesday, April 15, 2026
StatusFILED
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I'd like to call to order the April 9th, 2026 Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee meeting.

0:06

No members are participating remotely, and committee members disclose that they are members of one or more affected groups, and their respective declarations of interest are kept on file in the minutes of the facility standards and your public review committee.

0:23

Sorry, the road button.

0:31

Allows you to interrupt the next item.

0:35

Um admitted from our March 19th meeting.

0:40

Are there any suggested edits comments?

0:46

And if not, we'll entertain a motion to approve.

0:50

You can go in.

0:52

Thank you, Derek.

0:53

Is there a second?

0:55

Second.

0:57

Thank you.

0:57

All in favor of approving the March 19th minutes, please say aye.

1:01

Aye.

1:02

I'm opposed.

1:07

Barrels and lineups.

1:09

This way.

1:11

Did you have any administrative items you want to go over?

1:14

Yes, I just wanted to remind everybody that I sent.

1:17

I know I sent you a lot of emails, but there was one that I requested comments on the draft form tech memo, the proper condition status update form, and the performance guarantee release certification.

1:31

And we requesting comments on those by tomorrow, end of the day.

1:36

So that um Kate can kind of look them over.

1:40

And the plan is to bring those items back for discussion at the May 7th meeting.

1:45

Um she just wants to have the input to look it over.

1:48

So that's the one that I might.

1:50

So the direction is to comment on the current piece of form, even though we all don't like it.

1:57

The one that Laura sent out.

1:59

It's different than the one we're using in just slightly different, yeah.

2:09

All right.

2:12

So our first uh FSM business item is uh presentation and discussion for the fire marshal's office on shoulders and access.

2:30

So these are familiar faces for you guys right now, but we have our fire marshal, Chief Kiger with us.

2:36

We have Dan Irley and Lee Stormer also from the office, and um they are here to talk about uh what you all probably are aware of.

2:45

It's there's an existing quote modification in the FSM that says the minimum 20 foot wide width or roadways can be inclusive of shoulders um as opposed to exclusive of shoulders.

2:59

So I'm not gonna steal their thunder.

3:01

I'm gonna defer to Chief and let him start us off.

3:04

I guess the question is do you have some pictures as we go through this?

3:07

I'll have supervisor Stormer uh if you've got those to kind of reference some of these things.

3:13

So those of you all that don't know me, my name is Micah Kiger.

3:16

Uh I am currently the fire marshal for Loudoun County.

3:19

Um so I I will be very blunt that I don't go looking for work, I just don't.

3:25

Uh I will address things as they are brought to my attention.

3:28

And this is one item that to be perfectly honest with you was never on my radar at all.

3:34

Uh there's a concern with maintenance of shoulders for fire apparatus access roadways.

3:42

So we did a little bit of digging.

3:43

Uh it was brought to me by staff of some of the problems that they were seeing with these, and we kind of got into uh almost kind of a conundrum uh with it is we are allowing in Loudoun County a blanket modification that is less restrictive than state code.

4:05

And my interpretation of that is exactly the reason why we're bringing it to the attention of this group today, is that's not a great place for the county to be as far as risk and liability is concerned.

4:19

Uh for us to have a blanket modification of for all conditions.

4:24

Uh with that in mind, is uh we started working with the committee or uh with the county staff uh to kind of look into this and provide recommendations, and it's very interesting that uh well it's really not interesting at all, but interesting in the fact of where one word can change so many things, and uh that word is inclusive or exclusive.

4:51

Uh so with that in mind, uh I'm gonna have super advisor Stormer uh talk through uh some of these examples that that he himself or our staff have actually witnessed as kind of the problem statement on why we're why we're bringing it up today.

5:07

The biggest part of it is that maintenance of the sides of the road is that they're supposed to be compacted gravel sides of the roads, so it keeps the width proper.

5:17

What's happening is the sides aren't being maintained, the shoulders aren't being maintained, so you're getting the grass that grows into it, or you're getting erosion issues on it.

5:24

So, in like this episode, you can see where the grass is starting to grow over it.

5:29

What happens then is the vehicles can't identify where that roadway is.

5:32

We don't know where that shoulder is, so that way they've got that safe travel area where it's compacted enough to fire truck and be supported on it, and then also where you start getting that grassroots start growing into it, it starts breaking that apart.

5:44

So you don't you get the dirt that migrates into it and breaks up that compaction on it so that way it gets rain in there, it'll actually start breaking apart.

5:51

So these are just a few different examples.

5:53

This one you can see down the side of it where it's actually broken on.

5:56

This one you can see where it's actually got into the part where it's breaking it apart, and it's actually got into the asphalt part of the road where it's actually starting to destroy the roadway itself.

6:05

So now we've lost even more of the width of the roadway, restricting it.

6:10

This one's just another view of it showing where it's at.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Engineering And Infrastructure█████████████████████████████████████████41%
Historic Preservation███████████████████████23%
Land Use Planning███████████████████19%
Public Safety███████7%
Transportation Safety██████6%
Procedural████4%
Summary of Proceedings

Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee Meeting - April 15, 2026

The Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee met on April 15, 2026, to discuss a proposed code modification regarding the width of fire apparatus access roads (inclusive vs. exclusive of shoulders) and to review updated archaeology survey requirements. No members were present remotely, and all disclosed their membership in affected groups.

Consent Calendar

  • The minutes from the March 19, 2026, meeting were approved.
  • Administrative items: Staff requested comments by the end of the following day on draft forms (tech memo, proper condition status update, and performance guarantee release certification) to be discussed at the May 7 meeting.

Discussion Items

Fire Marshal's Office Shoulder Code Modification

  • Chief Micah Kiger, Dan Irley, and Lee Stormer from the Fire Marshal's Office presented a concern about the current blanket modification in the FSM that interprets the 20-foot minimum roadway width as inclusive of shoulders, which is less restrictive than the state fire code (which requires 20 feet exclusive of shoulders).
  • Staff showed photographs of gravel shoulders that were poorly maintained: grass overgrowth, erosion, rutting, and loss of compaction, effectively reducing the drivable width below 20 feet. Fire apparatus (e.g., 80,000-pound ladder trucks) require a full 20 feet of stable surface for emergency operations and passing, especially in rural areas with tanker shuttle operations.
  • The Fire Marshal proposed removing the blanket modification and instead evaluating individual modification requests on a case-by-case basis, considering factors such as sprinkler systems, upgraded construction, or greater building setbacks.
  • Committee members discussed alternatives: paving the shoulders (which the Fire Marshal indicated would provide the needed 20 feet of pavement), and clarifying in the FSM that if shoulders are paved, they can count toward the 20-foot width. The Fire Marshal expressed willingness to accept that as long as the surface is paved and maintainable.
  • The committee noted that the issue primarily affects new construction, not existing roads, and that VDOT is responsible for maintaining most affected public streets. The discussion also touched on private driveways, gravel roads for rural businesses, and the challenge of enforcing maintenance after road acceptance.
  • A committee member asked about codifying that paved shoulders count as part of the 20 feet; the Fire Marshal agreed that 20 feet of pavement is the key requirement. The committee will work on new language for the FSM.

Archaeology Survey Requirements

  • Steve and Heidi presented a revised proposal for Phase One archaeological surveys, responding to previous feedback. The new approach focuses on:
    • Testing proposed areas of ground disturbance (as done currently).
    • Testing the entirety of cluster lots (due to their small size) and recording standing structures on the entire property.
    • Conducting archaeological testing around standing structures (both existing and historically mapped) to capture information before potential demolition.
  • Discussion included clarifying definitions: "historic" for maps (e.g., USGS from the 1800s) and structures (greater than 50 years old), and replacing "recordation" with "documentation" to avoid confusion with land records.
  • The committee considered whether to limit the testing to cluster lots under a certain size (e.g., two acres) rather than all cluster lots. They debated whether "historic" should be defined in the FSM or by reference to the zoning ordinance.
  • The methods section for reconnaissance surveys was reorganized to include maps, photographs, and checking the cemetery/burial grounds database, with special cases for telecom, utilities, and previously developed properties.
  • The committee also reviewed changes to Chapter 8, including updates to terminology ("cultural resources survey") and requiring known cemeteries and cemetery buffers to be shown on certain plats and easement plats. There was discussion about whether to include vacation plats and the burden of requiring off-site surveys for minor easements.
  • A member opposed adding cemetery information to easement plats, arguing plats should only convey rights, not physical features. A compromise was suggested to place such information on an exhibit instead.

Key Outcomes

  • The committee will develop revised FSM language for the shoulder width modification, likely requiring 20 feet of pavement (including paved shoulders) for new fire apparatus access roads, and removing the current blanket inclusive-of-shoulders provision. Individual modifications will be considered case-by-case.
  • For archaeology, the committee will continue refining the language: define "historic" for maps and structures, limit cluster lot testing to lots under a certain acreage, and decide whether cemetery information is required on easement plats or only on exhibits. A note was made to define "historic" in the FSM.
  • Next meetings are scheduled for April 16, 2026 (Dulles Room) and May 7, 2026 (Dulles Room).

Note: The meeting date is listed as April 15, 2026, per the user-provided date, although the transcript and agenda indicate April 9, 2026. This discrepancy is noted for accuracy.

Meeting Transcript

I'd like to call to order the April 9th, 2026 Facility Standards Manual Public Review Committee meeting. No members are participating remotely, and committee members disclose that they are members of one or more affected groups, and their respective declarations of interest are kept on file in the minutes of the facility standards and your public review committee. Sorry, the road button. Allows you to interrupt the next item. Um admitted from our March 19th meeting. Are there any suggested edits comments? And if not, we'll entertain a motion to approve. You can go in. Thank you, Derek. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. All in favor of approving the March 19th minutes, please say aye. Aye. I'm opposed. Barrels and lineups. This way. Did you have any administrative items you want to go over? Yes, I just wanted to remind everybody that I sent. I know I sent you a lot of emails, but there was one that I requested comments on the draft form tech memo, the proper condition status update form, and the performance guarantee release certification. And we requesting comments on those by tomorrow, end of the day. So that um Kate can kind of look them over. And the plan is to bring those items back for discussion at the May 7th meeting. Um she just wants to have the input to look it over. So that's the one that I might. So the direction is to comment on the current piece of form, even though we all don't like it. The one that Laura sent out. It's different than the one we're using in just slightly different, yeah. All right. So our first uh FSM business item is uh presentation and discussion for the fire marshal's office on shoulders and access. So these are familiar faces for you guys right now, but we have our fire marshal, Chief Kiger with us. We have Dan Irley and Lee Stormer also from the office, and um they are here to talk about uh what you all probably are aware of. It's there's an existing quote modification in the FSM that says the minimum 20 foot wide width or roadways can be inclusive of shoulders um as opposed to exclusive of shoulders. So I'm not gonna steal their thunder. I'm gonna defer to Chief and let him start us off. I guess the question is do you have some pictures as we go through this? I'll have supervisor Stormer uh if you've got those to kind of reference some of these things. So those of you all that don't know me, my name is Micah Kiger. Uh I am currently the fire marshal for Loudoun County. Um so I I will be very blunt that I don't go looking for work, I just don't. Uh I will address things as they are brought to my attention. And this is one item that to be perfectly honest with you was never on my radar at all. Uh there's a concern with maintenance of shoulders for fire apparatus access roadways. So we did a little bit of digging. Uh it was brought to me by staff of some of the problems that they were seeing with these, and we kind of got into uh almost kind of a conundrum uh with it is we are allowing in Loudoun County a blanket modification that is less restrictive than state code. And my interpretation of that is exactly the reason why we're bringing it to the attention of this group today, is that's not a great place for the county to be as far as risk and liability is concerned. Uh for us to have a blanket modification of for all conditions. Uh with that in mind, is uh we started working with the committee or uh with the county staff uh to kind of look into this and provide recommendations, and it's very interesting that uh well it's really not interesting at all, but interesting in the fact of where one word can change so many things, and uh that word is inclusive or exclusive. Uh so with that in mind, uh I'm gonna have super advisor Stormer uh talk through uh some of these examples that that he himself or our staff have actually witnessed as kind of the problem statement on why we're why we're bringing it up today. The biggest part of it is that maintenance of the sides of the road is that they're supposed to be compacted gravel sides of the roads, so it keeps the width proper.

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