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Manitowoc Public Safety Committee Meeting: Sidewalk Request and Surveillance Testimony - September 14, 2026

Common Council & Committees — Monday, September 14, 2026
BodyManitowoc, Wisconsin
SessionCommon Council & Committees
DateMonday, September 14, 2026
StatusFILED
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0:22

So you work with the Chiefs.

0:26

It is 5:30, and I will call the public safety committee meeting to order for September.

0:40

Call to order, rule call.

0:42

We have everybody present except for uh Alderman Beaman.

0:48

He's not on the uh Zoom, is he?

0:52

I will uh he contacted me earlier, so we should mark him excused as opposed to absent.

1:03

I'm going to now open the meeting up to public comment.

1:06

If there's somebody from the public that would uh wishes to speak on an item, uh is your time to do so.

1:14

Once again, uh opened up for public input.

1:18

Is there somebody from the public that wishes to speak?

1:22

If you if you sir, yeah, if you would come up to the front uh and sit by one of the mics where the little green thing is on, if you would uh please list your name and your address for the record.

1:37

Thank you.

1:38

Uh my name is Michael Pearson, and my address is 713 Northwater Street, uh, Manitowak, Wisconsin.

1:46

So, members of the committee, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight.

1:50

I want to begin by making something very clear.

1:53

I'm not against law enforcement, I'm not against technology, and I'm certainly not against finding better ways to keep our community safe.

2:01

I am here because I believe there is a line that our city should not cross in the name of public safety, one that more than likely leads to a permanent surveillance state, and that puts and that once put up is nearly impossible to tear down.

2:17

I believe the Manitowoc Police Department and public have the opportunity in the coming weeks and months to come to an agreement on just where that line is and to decide if we are comfortable with crossing that line.

2:29

Tonight I am firmly asking you, the public safety committee to send a recommendation to common council to not only officially terminate the city's contract with Flock Safety, but immediately discontinue the use of the cameras.

2:44

Um recommend that the city will not simply replace Flock with another company selling a similar surveillance model.

2:53

Because the problem isn't just Flock, the problem isn't even the cameras.

2:58

The problem is the enormous database and questionable encryption, the ability to search and share that database with little to no oversight, the AI integration that is only an update away from other recognition capabilities, and the new sensor-based detection technologies that these surveillance companies are now beginning to roll out.

3:21

And I think this is where we need to stop pretending that we are simply talking about cameras.

3:31

But Axon is also developing much broader technology ecosystem.

3:36

Its fusis platform is designed to bring together over 85 million public and private camera feeds, body cameras, drones, license plate readers, gunshot detection, AI models, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi sensors, and other data feeds into a single operational interface.

3:56

Axon already has existing relationships with police departments and is in line to replace Flock in some jurisdictions, including in Wisconsin.

4:09

They have a product called Falcon Net.

4:12

Essentially a cell phone tower and a police cruiser.

4:16

In use, it causes all phones in the area to disconnect from traditional cell towers and become intercepted by its own tower, gaining access to IMEI, geolocation, metadata, and all unencrypted central traffic occurring on any phone within its range.

4:40

These companies that started with just cameras that read license plates have quickly escalated into sensor drag nets that capture your digital fingerprint and deploy mobile systems capable of intercepting all cellular activity in a given area.

4:55

And these technologies don't exist in completely separate worlds.

5:00

The direction of this industry is towards connecting more cameras, more sensors, more data, and more artificial intelligence into increasingly comprehensive surveillance systems.

5:12

Flock, axon, and cognite, and many more, these companies are all mass surveillance companies, and they are publicly telling us what they are building.

5:23

And I think that is exactly why I don't want you to make the mistake of simply thinking this is a decision about Flock.

5:30

Because if we officially cancel Flock and turn around and purchase another company's version of essentially the same surveillance infrastructure, then we really haven't resolved the problem.

5:43

And I think one of the things that we have lost sight of is the Fourth Amendment.

5:48

Warrants are supposed to create friction between the government and the information it wants to obtain.

5:53

The friction is intentional.

5:55

It is part of the checks and balances of the different government branches.

5:59

Technology like this is intentionally designed to remove that friction.

6:11

So I guess one of the things I also would like to ask is what has Flock done and what has our investment got us here in Manitowoc.

6:25

Is literally to eliminate crime.

6:28

So how many murders has Flock to help solve in Manitowk?

6:32

How many shootings?

6:33

How many missing children?

6:34

How many stolen vehicles?

6:36

How many serious crimes has it actually helped to solve?

6:40

I'm not asking what the technology could do or the promises the company has made.

6:44

I'm asking what Flock has actually done.

6:47

Well, I do not advocate for any of this at all.

6:50

I think if we're going to build a permanent surveillance infrastructure in the community, we should be able to demonstrate that the public safety benefits justify the civil civil liberties we're giving up to create it.

7:02

Flock and Axon and all the other mass surveillance companies are out there making some pretty extraordinary claims, and that they seem to have adopted the tech industry's motto of move fast and break things.

7:15

I don't think this is an acceptable philosophy when we're talking about constitutional rights.

7:20

We have the opportunity here to draw the line before the technology gets ahead of the law, before the databases get bigger, before more agencies get access, and before the next capability gets added simply because the technology makes it possible.

7:34

So my request to this committee is simple.

7:37

End Flock and do not replace it with another version of Flock.

7:42

And if somewhere down the road the police department and this committee believe that there is a legitimate public safety need for surveillance technology, then bring that proposal back to the public.

7:52

Tell us exactly what it does, tell us what information it collects, tell us who can access it, tell us how long it is kept, tell us what safeguards exist, tell us what oversight exists, and most importantly, tell us why we should trust the government with this capability.

8:10

Because once you build a surveillance system, taking it away is a lot harder than deciding not to build it in the first place.

8:17

We have the opportunity to draw that line now, and I hope we have the courage to do it.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Works█████████████████████████████29%
Procedural███████████████████████████27%
Public Safety██████████████████████22%
Community Engagement█████████████13%
Technology and Innovation█████5%
Engineering And Infrastructure██2%
Parks and Recreation██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Manitowoc Public Safety Committee Meeting: September 14, 2026

The Public Safety Committee of the Manitowoc Common Council met on Monday, September 14, 2026, at 5:30 PM in Council Chambers at City Hall, with remote participation available via Zoom. The agenda included the consent calendar, a request for new sidewalks on South 21st Street and Flambeau Street, and public testimony urging the committee to recommend terminating the city's contract with Flock Safety surveillance cameras. The committee approved the August minutes, discussed the sidewalk request at length, and deferred the item pending additional information. The Flock Safety topic was not on the agenda, so the committee could not deliberate on it, but the chair indicated it would be scheduled for a future meeting.

Consent Calendar

  • The August 2026 Public Safety Committee minutes (Item 26-0808) were approved unanimously by consent. No items were removed from the consent agenda.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • A resident firmly asked the committee to send a recommendation to the Common Council to officially terminate the city's contract with Flock Safety and immediately discontinue use of the cameras. The speaker argued the city should draw the line before surveillance technology gets ahead of the law and expressed concern about Axon's broader technology ecosystem, including devices that can intercept cell phone traffic and capture IMEI, geolocation, metadata, and unencrypted data.
  • The same speaker stated the city is spending at least approximately $38,000 on Flock Safety with 13 cameras generating about 20 alerts in 30 days, and that data is shared with approximately 177 other agencies within the state. When the speaker asked the police chief about those agencies' data policies, the chief reportedly said it was not his responsibility.
  • The speaker also raised concerns about contract terms that could permit federal government access to data without a warrant and the possibility of gag orders, and noted that the city's body cameras do not collect the same data as Axon surveillance cameras and do not involve contracts with Israel, which the speaker described as a separate concern.
  • A second resident expressed concern that people should not have to wonder whether visiting a doctor, attending a place of worship, participating in a protest, or meeting with a political group would be tracked and stored in a government database, arguing that surveillance and public safety cannot fully coexist when the public does not know who data is shared with.
  • The committee chair responded that Flock Safety was not listed on the agenda, so committee members could not discuss it, but stated the topic would be posted for a future committee meeting.

Discussion Items

  • The committee discussed a request for new sidewalks on South 21st Street from Summit to Flambeau, and on Flambeau from 18th to 23rd Street. The request stemmed from a citizen who reported nearly being hit while walking with a stroller.
  • The district alderperson reported visiting each affected property owner over two to three weeks at night; all but two neighbors said they did not want a sidewalk. The alderperson explained that the Board of Public Works can determine sidewalks are necessary for public health and safety, which could technically authorize installation despite resident opposition, but emphasized the decision rests with the committee, board, and council.
  • The alderperson noted this was the first such sidewalk request in approximately 16 years, with no supporting accident data. Of two prior reported incidents, one was described as a wintertime accident involving speed and slippery conditions, and the other as a backing accident.
  • Committee members discussed costs and assessments, the sidewalk construction process (typically following paving, with assessments spread over time), and the possibility of pursuing only Flambeau, only 21st, both, or neither. Concerns were raised about wetlands and gullies in the area and whether sidewalks would be installed on one or both sides of the street.
  • The committee agreed it would benefit from a more firmed-up proposal and additional details before passing a recommendation to the Board of Public Works, and noted that no construction would occur until approximately 2028, so the item was not urgent.

Key Outcomes

  • The August 2026 Public Safety Committee minutes were approved unanimously.
  • No action was taken on Flock Safety because the topic was not on the agenda; the chair indicated it would be scheduled for a future committee meeting.
  • The sidewalk request was deferred; the committee sought additional details before forwarding a recommendation to the Board of Public Works.

Meeting Transcript

So you work with the Chiefs. It is 5:30, and I will call the public safety committee meeting to order for September. Call to order, rule call. We have everybody present except for uh Alderman Beaman. He's not on the uh Zoom, is he? I will uh he contacted me earlier, so we should mark him excused as opposed to absent. I'm going to now open the meeting up to public comment. If there's somebody from the public that would uh wishes to speak on an item, uh is your time to do so. Once again, uh opened up for public input. Is there somebody from the public that wishes to speak? If you if you sir, yeah, if you would come up to the front uh and sit by one of the mics where the little green thing is on, if you would uh please list your name and your address for the record. Thank you. Uh my name is Michael Pearson, and my address is 713 Northwater Street, uh, Manitowak, Wisconsin. So, members of the committee, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I want to begin by making something very clear. I'm not against law enforcement, I'm not against technology, and I'm certainly not against finding better ways to keep our community safe. I am here because I believe there is a line that our city should not cross in the name of public safety, one that more than likely leads to a permanent surveillance state, and that puts and that once put up is nearly impossible to tear down. I believe the Manitowoc Police Department and public have the opportunity in the coming weeks and months to come to an agreement on just where that line is and to decide if we are comfortable with crossing that line. Tonight I am firmly asking you, the public safety committee to send a recommendation to common council to not only officially terminate the city's contract with Flock Safety, but immediately discontinue the use of the cameras. Um recommend that the city will not simply replace Flock with another company selling a similar surveillance model. Because the problem isn't just Flock, the problem isn't even the cameras. The problem is the enormous database and questionable encryption, the ability to search and share that database with little to no oversight, the AI integration that is only an update away from other recognition capabilities, and the new sensor-based detection technologies that these surveillance companies are now beginning to roll out. And I think this is where we need to stop pretending that we are simply talking about cameras. But Axon is also developing much broader technology ecosystem. Its fusis platform is designed to bring together over 85 million public and private camera feeds, body cameras, drones, license plate readers, gunshot detection, AI models, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi sensors, and other data feeds into a single operational interface. Axon already has existing relationships with police departments and is in line to replace Flock in some jurisdictions, including in Wisconsin. They have a product called Falcon Net. Essentially a cell phone tower and a police cruiser. In use, it causes all phones in the area to disconnect from traditional cell towers and become intercepted by its own tower, gaining access to IMEI, geolocation, metadata, and all unencrypted central traffic occurring on any phone within its range. These companies that started with just cameras that read license plates have quickly escalated into sensor drag nets that capture your digital fingerprint and deploy mobile systems capable of intercepting all cellular activity in a given area. And these technologies don't exist in completely separate worlds. The direction of this industry is towards connecting more cameras, more sensors, more data, and more artificial intelligence into increasingly comprehensive surveillance systems. Flock, axon, and cognite, and many more, these companies are all mass surveillance companies, and they are publicly telling us what they are building. And I think that is exactly why I don't want you to make the mistake of simply thinking this is a decision about Flock. Because if we officially cancel Flock and turn around and purchase another company's version of essentially the same surveillance infrastructure, then we really haven't resolved the problem. And I think one of the things that we have lost sight of is the Fourth Amendment. Warrants are supposed to create friction between the government and the information it wants to obtain. The friction is intentional. It is part of the checks and balances of the different government branches. Technology like this is intentionally designed to remove that friction. So I guess one of the things I also would like to ask is what has Flock done and what has our investment got us here in Manitowoc. Is literally to eliminate crime. So how many murders has Flock to help solve in Manitowk? How many shootings? How many missing children? How many stolen vehicles? How many serious crimes has it actually helped to solve? I'm not asking what the technology could do or the promises the company has made. I'm asking what Flock has actually done. Well, I do not advocate for any of this at all.

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