31 Mill Street.

Nail culture salon.

Just come up and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your project, and we'll see if there's any questions.

Hi, my name is Andrew Wehrenberg.

I'm representing Vaughn Wharton, who is the owner of the of the nail salon.

And she has proposed to put a new sign on the front of her building.

And I want to thank you all for taking the time to review this today.

Should be able to use existing holes in the wall to mount the sign.

It's going to be flat faced, and she's also gonna have a blade sign, which is just gonna replace an existing one at the at the location.

And also wanted to ask about freestanding.

I was um is that that would be a separate application for a freestanding sign?

Or is that allowed on the square?

I don't know.

There's nowhere it would have to be on your private property and get approval from the board.

And I don't believe that there's anywhere to put it square.

Okay.

Just checking.

The answer is that.

All right.

Questions about his application.

Because it's two different signs, it would need a variance.

Does this meet the individual letter threshold?

I think so.

I think it's yeah, I think it's the size.

The size of the sign.

I mean, I they have I thought they had to be uh separate, not on the same platform like a banner.

Well, I don't think so.

What was your question?

Two signs on the same elevation, is that what you're saying?

Yeah, that there is it's just one substrate with uh uh characters painted on there, right?

Yeah.

That's not a I mean it that may be in the design guidelines as far as a guideline, but it's not a code requirement.

That would be it.

Just asking okay.

I'm not sure I followed your question.

Oh, I thought it had to be separate letters and not just something painted on a board.

Okay or substrate.

No, there you can have a sign like that.

Okay.

That's allowable.

What kind of material is this?

Uh it's aluminum thin.

Aluminum sign that's gonna be mounted to the face.

Uh they're actually gonna be painted onto the sign.

So it'll just be one solid piece.

I have no problem with the sign being there, but I do have problems with that black and white stands out and grab you.

I guess that's the purpose of the sign.

Yes, because it doesn't really conform with uh the square the way I look at it.

Yeah, because most of the traffic is going by there, so try to make it as visible as possible because it does get hidden in there.

Jim, is your comment about the background?

That's where to have the reverse print.

Is that what I was detecting?

I was thinking that the black and white, the whites, yeah.

The black back, you're you're saying a black background with a white reverse print letters would be more in tune.

I think that'd be a lot better, yes.

Yeah, I thought that's what you were saying.

That bother you.

No, I I don't think that'd be a problem.

So you would want the base black and then the letters white.

So the blue so it doesn't be so kind of stark there.

Okay.

So would I need to propose that?

No, if uh once we get to the approval process, we could just put that in the approval.

If you're uh agreeable to that, yeah, I don't I don't see any problem in that.

I think I think the white it pops a little more, but like you said it would blah blah blah.

Maybe two months.

I just think you get more votes doing that.

Okay.

Yeah, we can do that.

Same thing on the blade sign, the match, or does anyone have a comment about that?

Yeah, and there is an existing blade sign, so it would just replace that one.

Right.

But that one's dark as well.

Two feet by one and a half.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Do you have a problem with reverse print on that one?

No.

I mean it would match, so it makes sense.

Yeah.

So you want to ready for a questions or any other questions or comments?

You want to make a motion?

Yeah, I'll make a motion that uh we approve it with uh side colors but reverse print for both signs.

And a variance for two signs.

A variance for two signs.

Yeah, but we don't do the variance here, right?

No, you we have to be in your motion.

Oh, okay, with the variance for the two signs.

Okay.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Okay.

Jim second.

Any other comments, discussion?

Okay, thank you.

You're done.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Mr.

Aaron, your last name was is Aaron Berg.

We're going to be able to do that.

Wehren Burg.

W-A-R.

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Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, next one 29 West Park Square.

Or Q.

You know the drill.

Happy New Year, everybody.

Thank you.

Andrew Omore, I'm the architect uh with Amore Design Studios.

Alexis.

I own um for Q Concepts, which has multiple restaurants on the square.

So on the on the agenda, as you can see, we're we've come back we were here last year.

Last last year was last year.

It is seems like a long time ago.

And what you've asked us to do is come back to review the signage, and we've requested the TVs and the fans installed on the side of the building.

So the renderings, thank you, Shelby, uh that you see on the screen, uh, have been updated since last month, showing the um well, it's a different name now.

It's West Park Sports Club.

It's new.

It happens.

Uh so we it's a it has two fronted frontages, one facing east to the to the square, and then facing north towards what used to be an alley.

There's a pedestrian-oriented uh outdoor space.

So those two wall signs, and then there's a blade sign, and then the screen quality is is really dark.

You can't really see the TVs, but um we can talk about the TV.

So why don't we start with the signs first in our presentation, then you'll you may have some questions.

So if you could go to the front of the building and shows the signs a little bit better.

That's that's that's fine.

So the letters are uh PVC, one inch thick in its depth, and um the dimensions of the overall signs that you can see the West Park Sports Club.

Um we can refer to the drawings to get into that level of detail.

So if you zoom in on that, you see above the drawing it says east facade area, that's 505 square feet.

The signage area of of that sign that you see uh bounded by that dashed line is 45.3 square feet.

That's nine percent of the overall facade area.

Um as you know, the sign ordinance allows 15 percent.

So just to give you an idea, we could do a sign that's 76 square feet.

Our sign is about 45 square feet, that gives you a sense there.

Then uh if you s if you go down towards the bottom of this sheet, there's the other elevation, the side elevation, and that's obviously the one that faces the alley.

Uh again, if you look at the uh above the drawing, it says the north facade area is 1,450 square feet.

The sign and the TV area, and I'll explain what I mean by that, is 75.7 square feet, which represents 5.2 percent.

Again, the signage ordinance allows you to do 15% of your facade as signage.

So what we have done here is we're the wall sign, which is on the upper left hand corner of the building, uh West Park Sports Club, and then the blade sign, which you can see there, the circular sign on the left.

You take that area, and if you if you could can you move over to the left a little bit, Shelby.

So I just wanted to point out you probably know this already, but the blade sign in your ordinance is calculated based on the line linear footage of the facade multiplied by one.

So we could build uh the face of that uh blade sign could be as much as 27 and a half feet uh square feet uh of area.

We're proposing 7.8 square feet.

It's 38 inch diameter, you know, it's it's it's appropriate to this facade.

So you add those, two signs, and then you see the TV monitors that are next to the window there.

That's those TV monitors are mounted to the wall, and they each represent 17.7 square feet.

We're we're just throwing that into the overall signage square footage.

Um I've read the ordinance, even the downtown uh aspect of signage and so forth, really doesn't speak to to TVs uh being mounted.

Uh we wouldn't consider this a moving sign, but I'm just saying as your architect here, that if we added the area of the signage and the two TV TV monitors, that would represent 5.2%, completely much lower than the 15% that's allowed.

So if you go back to the renderings for a second, I'll just um go back to the aesthetics here.

It's one inch thick PVC cutout letters that are mounted, pin mounted to the wall.

And then if you could scroll, there you go.

Um you see that that's the round uh blade sign.

That's 38 inches.

That's um, those are cut out individual letters that are mounted onto a white background.

The logo, uh unfortunately, by the time we we uh rendered this, it looks just all like a black logo.

That's gonna be a have a color to it, which is one of the historic colors, right?

Is it a green?

It's similar to this um bluish green.

Yeah, like bluish green color.

Like I said, it's fluid.

Yeah.

So the West Park, it's got a little bit of a sports um emblematic kind of a design to it.

So the little crest of wreath and the the shield, that will probably be that that color and uh the text of the letters too, if we can get enough contrast.

So and the white letters that you see on the wall, they're they're white, is what we've decided.

They're mounted individually, correct?

Yes, they're actually cut out.

Okay.

So contrary to what you're you asked about the previous uh applicant, that there's no background.

Open it up to questions.

Questions?

Well, just curious, why did we lose table and tap?

This has been an ongoing story for like seven months about the name.

Oh, did you like table and tap?

Yeah, I did.

Yeah.

I we actually did a survey and did it sent it to like 50 people and it was very torn.

So we did want to include sports if people understood, you know, that we are showing sports, and we like the word club because it's an elevated feel, so that's kind of where we landed.

But I like table and tap too.

I like this.

I think it's key with Luga.

Anyone else question?

I thought we talked uh last time at this the light strings.

Yes.

Had to be approved by somebody else.

Uh yeah, I don't think that's not in your application.

I I think it's not in on the agenda, but I'm happy to answer your question if you'd like.

Um we've met with the the two of us have met with the city manager, Bill, and um, I don't know if it's his assistant manager, uh city manager.

Daniel Magbeck.

Daniel, yeah.

Sitting right back behind you.

They look familiar.

Yeah.

That's Daniel.

Okay.

We did a uh Teams call, so you know uh we look different, you know, when we're not on camera.

So uh it was very we actually had a couple of correspondences.

I mean, the the the teams meeting um they've asked Alexis to reach out to the neighbor with a string lights connect over to.

Um any comments on that?

Um we we have to get landlord approval still, but um the tenant was happy with it.

And then um there are two lamp posts that you see in the rendering that we've asked to be moved so that our canopy, the the horizontal canopy that's projects out into the right-away of that alley.

Uh they have uh we've asked them to uh in help us understand how to navigate to get that approved through the city.

So the string lights, the canopy because it projects out into the right-of-way, and the um the two two street lamps, and that they actually threw us a curveball, uh, said that they're proposing some sort of an archway that that is it could be an archway at the end of this alley, which is sort of there.

Cool idea.

The the goal is to just work in tandem and activate that space.

So, you know, whether it's planners or just make it look pretty.

I think the string lights are really nice and draw attention to it, but draw people down that alley.

There is one there is one thing I I would say um that they've asked us to address is the it's a right-of-way, you know, so it is it's it's a right-of-way.

But they legit logistically they like uh Alexis and Scotty to agree that all the public um access, you know, people walking would be along the wall to the right, uh the the the neighboring building, and then that would give Alexis and the West Park Sports Club more seating area to sort of work with their program of food.

So any other comments, questions.

Do we need a variance for anything?

For because the two signs.

Yeah, but uh that's really not addressed in our guidelines, so I don't know that it's an issue anymore.

I took a look at it and I really couldn't find anything that addresses it.

So they work.

Yeah, thank you.

Oh yeah, thank you.

What with the TVs?

Um the standard.

Yeah, um it would be under the awnings, they'd be protected that way, and they would just be shut off.

Anyone else?

I've got an idea that uh they may want to do.

Uh instead of the TVs for a couple of grand, you can get really powerful projectors that project TV, and you got a light gray wall across the way there's that.

I could look into it.

I thought about, especially for like bigger games of doing like a screening like yes, I'll have to look into costs.

And then the then you wouldn't have the TVs out there in the weather and people banging them or whatever.

And you could have the projector inside the window with the window open, you know, you could configure that.

Just a thought.

I would think that you could have both both.

The TVs and the projector.

Uh I like the TV.

I didn't understand what you said, Jim.

I'm sorry.

He would think they would use both.

Oh, yeah.

Well, anyway, I was just I don't even know that it would require a vote because it would be inside.

I think if they did it inside, it would, and that'd be something the city may want to look at.

But not us, it wouldn't be just about.

Yes.

Yeah, projected on buildings is uh is is approved projecting on buildings is something that is done throughout the country.

Um Super Bowl, yeah, absolutely.

Uh but if I want to watch the Michigan game, my wife wants to watch Alabama, and those are two different, she's sitting over there, and I'm sitting over here.

Yeah, you could have two projectors.

I'm not sure.

I don't have a problem.

Anyway.

Thank you.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Anyone else?

Well, I move that we approve this action.

With appropriate variances.

Okay.

All right, that's good.

There's second.

Any other discussion?

All those in favor.

All right.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good job.

One more thing, the deadline and meetings calendar.

Do we need to discuss that?

Just a discussion, just to know that this is the final.

Okay.

So what we got last time was the final with the change you made.

Okay.

Any other comments, questions?

I just want to bring to your attention, which I should have mentioned in the beginning.

These meetings are now being um streamed.

Oh, okay.

So be on your best behavior.

Smiles.

You're on candid camera.

Uh on on our on the website.

Yes.

Does anybody want to wish Ty good luck and uh upcoming football game?

No one?

I will hope you win.

All right, anything else?

Meeting adjourned, thank you.