Okay, I'm gonna call the historic preservation commission meeting to order.

The first item are the minutes from last meeting.

I recommend approval of the opposite.

Second.

You got that signal.

That was Jim Trimble and Martin Kendall.

Yeah.

Any other discussion?

Um do we have four people of court?

Okay.

Any other discussion?

All those in favor.

Okay, the applicant for the whatever the address is.

Um, 226.

226 North Forest.

All right, hang on, let me get my notes.

Here it is.

226 North Forest.

They're not here.

But Steve thought we could go ahead and at least discuss the application, but we can't take any action.

So we can have a discussion with no action unless they show up before we adjourn.

So it's Steve, I'll turn it over to you.

Thank you.

We don't want to belabor the point or talk over talk it without them here.

Uh but I did want to share some observations and questions I had about the the application in general.

Um one thing that uh I noticed uh was it was already underway before the application was ever made.

And so there's a question about the the detection uh of um them having a permit and having a uh COA approved and they got underway.

I understand there's a stop work order on it now.

Is that correct?

I don't think I'm not aware of that.

Well there ought to be.

It has been underway for three years, four years?

Six years.

Okay.

That's the same thing.

It's been they've come before the board before when they did the metal roof and the windows.

Um and then now he passed away now.

My understanding is his brother has taken over the estate, and so he's the one now.

Are we allowed to let I don't know if any of y'all want to speak or if that's allowed without the applicant here?

We can yeah, we can talk as long as we don't take any action.

Yeah.

Okay, that's fine.

I mean, to make it worthwhile we showed up.

I mean, and it may make another discussion more efficient.

So in that sense, I think having some conversation.

So anyway, there's a matter of it being uh you know underway without approval.

Uh and it would save a lot of time and money and effort and hassle if if it's done more properly.

And so we're here after the fact, and um it ought not to continue because it hadn't been approved, what they're doing now.

Um there's uh there's several things about this that needs need some conversation.

Um one is the metal roof, which apparently we approved two years ago, and they're gonna go back to an asphalt shingle roof.

Um I can appreciate a metal roof can leak.

Um having an asphalt shingle roof would look would appeal more to the neighborhood.

There are brown roofs in the neighborhood.

Uh so you know, I'm I'm okay with that.

Uh they want to replace the front of the house, has got cedar shingle siding, which I've took just took off my garage, and I replaced it with hardy board, lap hardy board, like it, it's really good.

Um they're talking about doing the same thing, uh, but they've done it on the front, but that they got it going vertical.

I'm just not sure about the approach on that.

So it's not the material, it's just the approach to it.

Another thing is the windows, they're talking about this house is built in 1962.

Um look at it's a it's an interesting architectural mix.

It's I think it's called a mid-century uh modern.

And it's the only one I know of in the neighborhood that's kind of got got this going on.

And anything that accentuates that might make it even look a little bit more not fitting in a little bit.

It's it's got its own look that's not like the surrounding ones.

There's a porch that's missing there, that door goes out to nowhere, and there's no discussion about what goes there.

The the discussion of the deck was in the back, so that's just done unaddressed.

Uh the the vinyl, those windows are originally vinyl, and um if you look at the application, they're proposing a a square window set there that's gonna be somewhat like the one to the if you see that there.

Well, I think I emailed about that.

I think they just tried to use AI, and AI threw those in there.

They're not actually requesting a window.

Say windows, the text, so that's a question.

But I I'm under the assumption they're not replacing the windows.

That's it, wasn't on the application.

Yeah, it's in the well, I take it literally pictures a thousand words, and we can't blame AI for everything.

You know, if I relied on AI, I'd be making a mistake.

I see uh I see framed and uh just actually not there's no discussion about the change of the garage.

It's going from two doors to one door, and uh I can see that there's a small garage, and getting into that getting into that uh with a car in a modern car would be um difficult.

So I can see going to one door because you get about eighteen more inches in the middle.

So you can't do side by side two small doors, but you could potentially with one big door.

So but that hasn't that's not the application as well.

Yeah, well I was on time.

This is the applicant, yes.

Sorry, you're the applicant.

Uh yes, sir.

And I did not realize this was kind of meeting.

Uh please forgive my attire.

I've been uh busting my butt all day.

Otherwise I won't wear a suit.

But that's okay.

Well, you want to we could go ahead and hear from him.

Yes, okay.

Yeah, come up and introduce yourself, and then we've got several questions we want to ask you.

I'm sure.

Uh I'm I've never done this before as far as like this, like the the you know, city hall thing, but so I'm Kayleigh, so I'm not sure what you want to know.

You can start asking questions or whatever you need for me on the phone.

Yes, sir.

Okay, all right.

Um you want to start?

Yes.

Uh nice to have you here.

Thank you, man.

Uh we like I like to look at get an application and approve it without much discussion.

And but that's always the preferred way to go.

Uh this is gonna not gonna be that way.

We need to really talk about what's going on here and to approve what's gonna happen.

Um the things that you you mentioned here, uh, one of them will be uh a given that you could do because we can't see it from a public right-away, which is in the back.

Anything you're doing on the back we can't see.

So I think you're working on the on the uh deck in the back, is that right?

Yes, sir.

So that that that doesn't require our approval.

We might approve it bless it since it's here, but then the back we can't see it.

But uh on the front, uh you let's start from the top down with the roof.

And apparently we two years ago we'd approved the metal roof before.

Is that true?

I wanna I wouldn't have thought y'all would approve the metal roof, but um you you wanted to go to uh asphalt shingle roof.

I would like to match the rest of the houses I could see, yes, sir.

I would I would go for that.

Yes, sir.

Um and since it was already approved to be metal, it could go back to metal or keep it metal, but you can also go back to shingle, and that's what you want to do, correct?

Yes, sir.

I want to yeah, yes.

And and you want a brown tone when there are other brown roofs in the neighborhood.

So I'm I'm I'm okay with me personally, I'm okay with that.

And well, and out of curiosity, so to be 100% transparent, um the R and the interior designer, there's three shades we uh I submitted.

Are are all three of those good to go?

They're just it's like black, gray, brown, like they're very generic colors.

I could go with any color.

I don't think I think the the most important thing is that brown would be okay, I think because there's brown in the neighborhood and nearby as well.

So I don't know that we would have you submitted some colors, and I thought one was highlighted.

Is that not?

That's true.

I I can't record the salesman.

You indicated in the application well in the email to me that brown was the preferred color, that you prefer the brown, but if the board will approve either one of those colors would be okay, whatever the board is good with.

So they're saying they're good with the brown if that's what you want to do, the brown.

It's my preference, but ultimately like I'm not sure like uh what she was here with me right now, so she could answer the question.

She's not an easy person to work with.

Um so as long as all three people are uh as long as all three colors are good, um, then we're golden.

Um so she's also my better half, so if that tells you anything, um I really don't, you know.

Okay.

Yeah.

Uh I appreciate you being so transparent.

We're we're gonna be back and forth here in a okay, very candid way.

All right.

Sir, question.

What's the status of the construction in this house as as we speak right now?

When you say status, uh where is it?

Is it so close to being complete?

Well, no, so is it is is uh like the house itself that's nowhere near to being close to that's close to being complete.

Uh I would like to rip the whole thing, I mean, essentially almost down to the studs.

Um I don't know if y'all know the I'm sure y'all does everyone know that the backstore in the house.

Am I do I have to throw up everybody in on what's been going on there?

Like the people who had it before us, Ray, Raymond who passed away, how we got the house.

Um I mean I I've thrown away um I don't know, half ounce of uh of dope at this point, uh drugs, needles, scales, um they the you know, um the plumb lines gotta be replaced.

Uh everything anything you can think of.

I mean the house is shot.

Um those are things I have to pull permanents for.

I was told I couldn't pull the permits until I did this.

So this is what it looks like right now.

Yeah.

Well, it's ugly in person.

So do you own it now or what's the no sir.

So so Mr.

Jimmy Smith, um, I own a um uh a business in in midtown um who he contracted me to remodel their bathroom uh probably about a year ago, and me and him really hit it off.

And I got a call from uh Mr.

Jimmy, probably about I don't know, maybe three or four months ago, telling me that his brother died.

Um the deeper he got into it.

Whether he he you know uh the actual hunger, his name was Joe.

I don't know at what point everything really went uh spiraled downhill uh you know, but I I know that Mr.

Jimmy was only aware of it to a certain degree, and as he got further into it, um I became more slowly aware what was going on, and then at one point he you know fought for this state of the house.

Um they got that.

Um and then when I actually drove out on site for the first time about two weeks ago, I realized like what we were dealing with, how bad it was.

So we've at this point we've hauled off for sure.

I've paid for 28 dumpsters.

So and we're still last week I filled up a 30 yard, I got a 20 yard drop there right now, and I still have probably a couple more like and this is this trash I'm talking about.

Um they could you couldn't walk in the hallways, couldn't walk the rooms.

Um I can't think of the company that bought it, but we had an antique company come out there on the spot.

They bought I mean half of it.

That tells you that the houses was filled with trinkets.

Um the guy there was a guy here, I I don't know his name.

Um he shot off before I could um before I can you know wave them down, but the the the neighbor uh Lisa leaves a couple doors down for me, I don't know if y'all are familiar with her.

Um she stopped by because the mailman's name was Robert, I guess.

I don't know if I'm like pulling hats out of a uh random names or nothing, but so they told me their names were and so the guy who barricaded himself, I actually was able to lay eyes on him for the first time today.

Um so I'm keeping like you know a close eye on that.

There's uh there's a bunch of things.

You know, I I had an exterminator come by, it's got uh it's infested with bats.

I mean, if you you can think of anything, I'm just like my mind's like you know, timeline, I don't know.

Um let's say let's concentrate on your application.

Right, yeah, exactly.

That that's good information, but it doesn't really relate.

Okay, so we're good on the roof.

You're gonna go with asphalt shingles, brown, black, or gray.

Okay, the next thing is the siding.

You're gonna do the heart board and batten with the vertical strips.

Is that correct?

Yes, sir.

Batten strips.

Yeah, board and batten on the face and uh lap sign on the sides on the back.

Uh say that again now.

So board and batten is gonna be on uh on the front, and I'll do lap sidings on the on the side in the back.

Okay, you're doing because I don't recall that in your application.

So you you think that looks better to have it lap on the sides than the vertical in the middle?

On the face of the house, yes, sir.

You do a minute.

What we just look, I mean, go go back to the one that's got the the yellow, I mean the way it is now.

Uh there's a picture of it.

That right there.

You're gonna do that all on the front.

The board and batten.

Which would be the yellow part, but uh well, that's not what that looks like, but they could they try their best, I guess.

But the yellow is gonna go all the way across the front, and that's same.

So the shakes go away.

Yes, sir.

But I'm I'm I'm open at this point.

I'm just open to what whatever gets approved.

But in in theory, the I generated, I use my software to generate an image of what it would look like, and that's if y'all are okay with that, that's just I'm just gonna build that house.

But you're uh what I'm talking about is what is there originally, with which we see as yellow, that's new.

That's there now.

And that is that hardy boarded straight up and down, vertical.

Yes, sir.

Okay, and on the right was it was old shingle that's needs to be but needs to go away and be replaced.

And on the other side, that's still cedar shingle siding as well, correct?

Yes, sir, but but it was done at the same time that the the the unprimed hard it was.

Under understand.

Okay, sir.

Uh but what there were the windows are, you're talking about horizontal lap siding, correct?

No, that would all be bored and bat on the face.

So it's all gonna be consistent.

My my thing is it's gonna be one way or the other.

It's all gonna you're gonna do vertical.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Yeah, on the front, yeah.

Lap siding.

I think consistency's good.

I think it appealing.

Uh, all around would be better for me, but that's not I don't very but on the front, as long as the front's consistent.

Okay, maybe that's a little architectural interest to have it horizontal lap on the sides and the backs.

I guess that that's up to you to decide.

I want to add something.

It seems to me that when somebody comes to us for this, there should be a plan step by step.

We shouldn't be offering them what they should be doing.

They should be asking us if what they're proposing is okay.

This is like I agree, but I think he's new and just started this project, and um point noted.

I think we have to decide how are you most productive with what we got now.

Point noted, but you know Yes sir.

So I would like to see him come back with a plan step by step, what he wants us to approve.

Yeah.

We would do but I think that's but I I agree, but let's keep going because I I don't think uh there's as much here as we may be thinking.

Now the the question are you're not replacing windows or are you replacing the windows?

Let me as you say I'll start with Mr.

Gene, I just want to be frank.

Yeah, 100%.

Like it's it's my first time.

I'll try to keep you know be um as blunt as I can about it.

Um the process, it wasn't, I mean, she I picked up the piece of paper.

Um everything I want to do, it's on that picture.

The kind of and then I'll then I was told to say what kind of materials I was gonna use.

That's on that piece of paper.

So you're replacing windows or not?

No, sir.

Okay.

So what were the the vinyl windows were they or there originally from way back when, or were they in there in the in the 2000 or the two year ago plan?

And are you planning on keeping them or replacing them?

The ones on the right, the three the three vinyl vindos on the right.

So I I can't necessarily answer it.

I don't want to, you know, like I said, keep it kind of clean for you.

I don't know what was going on two years ago.

Um I think the person who submitted it and it was gone two years ago either.

Um but again, I I'm not trying to you know, y'all offer me suggestions.

Um it would be my desire again to replace everything.

What I don't want to happen is anything gets slowed down, and then I'm back here in two weeks asking.

You see what I'm saying?

So uh what if there's like a procedure or a plan I was supposed to follow, the they didn't make me aware of it, but uh it's whatever can get approved, is what I want to do.

If I need to right now there's no windows, so don't do the but if you did if you did replace the windows, that would be an improvement, I do believe.

Right, and I would just submit that and like a uh detailed to come back.

Yeah, okay, just yeah.

All right, so we we just heard that we're we're gonna do uh board and batten with hardy board all around.

No, just the front, just the front.

And then lap siding hardy on the sides and the back.

Okay, right?

Correct.

Yes, sir.

All right, and then the windows will stay.

All right, let's talk about the deck, because uh I I don't know that any of us really understand what you're doing with the deck.

Is that on the front where the door steps out to nowhere?

No, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna delete that.

I don't think was that supposed to be there.

I think they put it there on their own.

There's a doorway.

Yeah, there's a doorway on the side that doesn't have steps.

Yeah.

On the on the where the house pushes out.

Is that where the deck's gonna go?

No, I'm not gonna build a deck right there, no sir.

I'm gonna I'm gonna get rid of the uh it's actually like by code it would fail.

I'm gonna get rid of the doorway.

So just so that you under basically what we review here is anything visible from the right-of-way.

So if you're making any change from what we can see from the street, is what we have to approve here.

Okay.

So like if you're changing the windows or if that full railing is coming out and you're doing regular railing, we've got to approve that kind of stuff.

Street view, basically.

Yeah, street view.

Okay.

Well, so where's the deck you're repairing?

So on the essentially, uh where the uh the car port is.

Yeah, um, I'm not sure if y'all can see that or not from the street.

You'd be happy to drive by in a car.

I don't know.

Can't see it.

Okay, well then.

But I we can't see it, so it's do what you can with it.

You know, that's what's what's this?

Right, so okay, the what that carport is.

Well, uh, there's a picture that wasn't mine, but I just saw it up there to the side of the house.

Yeah.

Is that it?

Yeah.

So it's on the back side of that right there.

So where does it go?

So, like that area, again, I guess you'd have to see it to be familiar with it.

Um they just got a lot going on back there.

So I after I got done building it, um, again, I'm not sure if you'd be able to see it or not.

I don't know like to what degree you'd be able to see it, but if you did, I mean it's it's just like the picture says.

Um there's the way they have that that area back there, it looks like um someone try to be a retainer wall, um, which I would uh get rid of, and I would do like you know, it's the three tiers.

So that picture that we just saw that had the garage in the in the left side of the the house, that was the the clapboard look.

So we're gonna have clapboard visible from the street in addition to board and batten.

Clap boards, I don't uh know that what that terminology means, sir.

Can you horizontal signing lap size?

Yeah, lap siding, yes, sir.

But we'll be aware now.

It will be on the the sides and the back.

Can you rotate back uh those pictures a couple of shots?

It was one of the uh free pictures image there, right there.

Whoa.

Okay.

So here we have I'm calling it clapboard, but it may be shaped.

Okay, so is this what it looks like now with the tie?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

And you're going over that on that side of the house with what?

Lapsiding.

Oh, it's not consistent with board and batten, I think.

It's what?

I mean it's it's a different look, yeah.

Yeah, I mean it's like two different projects.

Physical different look.

What?

It's a physically different look.

One's one's up and down and the other sideways.

It looks like uh I I I wouldn't prefer agreement with your wife, and that's all you could come up with.

That's why I brought it up.

I want I want one of the things I saw um in the neighborhood, and um uh if I had to describe the area, I say eclectic.

Um but again, that's just that's just me.

I'm 100% okay putting board batten up.

Oh, you are?

Yeah, if it's if I mean that's what it takes, or just it's not, it's not it's not a it's not a a make or break.

Yeah, I would also prefer it to be one or the other all the way around.

Okay, let's go back to the deck, because I I still don't understand.

Mr.

Freeman, can I ask a question?

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Because I just want I want to I don't make sure, like I don't know how else to frame it.

Um y'all's opinion, it does matter, correct?

Like I'm not I'm not being agreeable just for the sake of being agreeable.

Like for if I was because I'm I'm just asking for like cure out of curiosity.

If I was to say, well, Mr.

Kendall and Campbell, I feel such and such.

Well like that would put a delay on things, right?

Well, here's the deal.

I mean, we have your application.

Yes, sir.

We're reviewing your application, and we I assume by the end of this meeting we'll approve something.

Right, yes, sir.

And what we approve is what you have to do.

Right, exactly.

Okay.

If you don't like what we approve, you can appeal to the city council.

No, I'm I'm fine.

So um hopefully.

But I I think where we're at now, so far, we're okay with the shingles, the three colors.

I think what I'm hearing is everybody would prefer a uniform size or the board and bat and everywhere in the house.

Yes, sir.

So the only thing remaining is the deck, which I I don't really understand what you're doing.

I can't I can't figure that out from your picture.

I think that after I was done building it, there's a chance you would be able to see it from the side.

It is behind the garage.

It's behind the garage.

It is it is I couldn't see it from the street.

I mean I couldn't notice it.

It was you said it's on the garage?

Uh um, it would be on the so it would it would basically connect.

All I'm trying to do is that so when a family moves in, the the the lot is not a great lot.

I'm trying to I'm trying to add functionality to the whole property.

I want someone with uh you know that has kids.

Uh I'm and I I'm gonna hopefully I guess maybe I have to get up too, I'm not really sure.

But I would like to, you know create like an awning so that when someone's walks in it's raining or something like that, maybe they got a toddler, and I'm I'm a father of five, then they walk out of the back of the carport, they can walk around the side of their house and I'll get snowed on, rained on, whatever it is, be out of the elements.

Um that's something we'll do.

And you have a random carport that doesn't really, you know, it's just shot.

So that was the purpose behind it.

Um so when you walk out of that back door that's in the middle of that carport, they're the fence with the fence is something you can't see from the street, I'm wondering.

I was told the fence I didn't have to get approved.

But basically I would delete part of the fence and I would tie in the b the actual back deck that's there to the platforms that I want to build on the back side of the carport.

So what's this?

What are what are we looking at?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

So it's really not a deck, it's a stairway.

I mean, it's what so there's if you look a little bit closer, it it would it would be like a a stairway, a platform, stairway platform.

Stairway platform.

Yes, sir.

Okay, all right, I got you.

All right.

Okay.

And you're just rebuilding that as is for the most part.

That that doesn't exist.

It's not there.

Okay, this is what you're doing.

I guess.

Except mine's yeah, mine's gonna be prettier, but yes, sir.

All right.

And that's in the back, we can't see it.

So let me yeah.

Yeah, I think is it not visible?

I don't know.

All right.

Let me add let me do this for we uh some of your neighbors are here, and I think they wanted to.

Can I before we I wouldn't clarify go back to the picture of the front door where that door that steps into nothing?

Yep.

That what's gonna happen there?

Yeah, I'd like to delete it.

I would like to.

So yeah, even things like that, like, well, I'm sure we're probably okay with you deleting this random.

Yeah, that's okay, the stuff that gets approved.

It has to be addressed one way or the other.

Yes, sir.

I'm just ignorant, that's all.

Like literally.

Um, for I'll live I'll live in Jackson, if that tells you anything.

Like in Jackson, if you want to do something in your house, you just do it.

Probably could.

Yeah.

Do you want to look you want to get rid of that door and just frame it in and I'd like to, yes, sir.

If it were never there.

Okay, we could possibly.

All right, you're okay with the neighbors.

All right.

I just wanted to get who wants to speak, Daphne, you or Marion or somebody.

Well, I just want to make sure that maybe you need to come down here, please.

Thank you.

Caleb, you can have a seat.

Oh, yes, sir.

I just think it's important for Caleb to know that if he changes the windows, they need to look like the current windows.

Six over six, whatever.

You can't just put in a piece of glass.

Because that's not there.

So even if you put new windows in, they have to look like what was there.

And that's six over six.

Whatever it is.

There are some six over six, but I'm just saying whatever you replace, it needs to look exactly like what was there.

You can't just do a pane of glass.

Okay.

And you'll have to come back and get a windows, you have to get approval.

I would not do the windows, but um I think what happened, Caleb, is your AI image didn't turn out very well, and everyone thinks you're replacing the windows, but you told us you're not.

Yeah, I was it was only parting, so uh I asked for Tom Taylor, it was only part of the thing that submitted, but so at the time it was is actually just the siding.

Yeah.

Um because online it says it says that you don't um there's somebody conflicting on the line.

I didn't even think I had to address the roof to begin with, or maybe I thought that it was uh had each one off, regardless when I was short.

Um you got it, so it doesn't matter.

Yeah.

I mean, so you know we type it city hall of station direct certainly.

Anything else, Mary?

Just the window.

Um I the board and batten all over the house, is that something that would is go would fit in our neighborhood?

Do we think is that historic to um this?

I think it's okay.

Okay, all right.

I would meet that maybe preference just speaking out since this is a collaborative effect here where this is kind of a neighborhood and us and you all talking about it.

I would prefer Hars on the lap all the way around.

And not vertical battened up and up.

I think it I think it would be more consistent with everything else is just having the horizontal boards.

Yeah, if you were starting from scratch, we wouldn't mean taking some of the front off, but you got three three uh three and three quarters of uh of what walls to do, and do you take off that for the horizontal look, which I think would be more consistent with the neighborhood?

Would you be open to that?

Do another time?

Do all that.

Um, it was almost right here, I think even more well.

So another thing going back to the back where I just have a question for you because it looks like the stairs go down to Daphne and Riley's house driveway.

Okay.

That's what we're doing.

From your picture.

So that was just a concern, I think.

So like so we said the stairs go down to her driveway.

That's what it looks like.

Right, right.

So from your, but it could be that it's just AI.

Right.

So uh essentially it would be well, so uh if you've seen it, you would know that they built a back deck, I suppose, of whatever reason, or right there about six inches later.

It's the game, right?

Yeah.

So I'll delete that.

Right.

And so I'll but you don't have stairs going down to their driveway, that's all I want to know.

Right.

Okay, it'll be to the back of the carport.

So it doesn't go to their driveway.

So it goes the back of the carport.

No, unless they want it to go to the carboard.

I think that's all I have.

The windows were my big concern.

So I do have a question about that.

Uh curiosity.

So like the windows, it doesn't go off of anyone else.

It goes off what the what's going on with the house that I'm modeling.

You can't look at like inspiration from around the neighborhood.

These guidelines um say that if you have to replace a window, because it is incapable of being repaired.

Um, you have to replace it with the exact same look and quality and type.

Okay.

Which means like those front windows, by six over six, that's how many panes there are in the top part and the bottom part.

So it'd be six panes over six panes in the window.

See, right here.

And then over here, you have this arch window that's all pained.

So I mean, if you were to replace those, which hopefully you won't, because I think they're probably historic and nice, you would have to make it look exactly the same.

I would hope that the board um insists that you do, because that's what the guidelines say.

Okay.

I mean, I assume you're not gonna do the windows, but if you did, it would need to be identical in appearance.

Yeah, I I think it's down to leaving the archer alone, leaving the the ones in the in the middle alone.

Uh and on the ones on the right, they're gonna leave they're already they're vinyl with a six by six look.

But if you did replace them, it'd be going back to uh divided glass, you know, uh regular window style and not be the vinyl.

Otherwise it's it's left alone, because that was that was here before he started.

So it's a matter of coming back later on the you'd have to come back for sure.

So it's it's it's as is unless you come back and would address the ones on the right.

Does that three set window on the right?

So either leave those alone or you come back.

Does that make sense?

Curiosity.

Um would everyone be opposed to me.

Yeah.

Um I would like the front of the house to be balanced.

Um so is it possible maybe like a paint out?

So I guess I don't have a paint-out image.

Um the house follows that same plane as the left side and goes about another maybe 30 feet.

Um I'd like to balance the house out.

So if I did do something, I would like there you go.

Right there, I would like it to be you have an arch window, um square and square, and then just like a blank slate.

I think it looks stupid.

Um it's ugly, but outside of that, I don't know if it's possible to add another set of square ones and then put an arch one so it's at least balanced.

Um that's what a master bedroom is.

Oh, on the right side there.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, that that that would be okay, but you'd have to come back for that.

Okay.

Yeah, that's cool.

And um, I'm still I know she said it as plain as day.

I'm still struggling on what exactly like are the guys like what kind of because the windows, albeit they're he he they're new, yeah.

You just had to see it, but he just didn't do nothing right.

Yeah, and so you put in cheap, crappy vinyl windows.

No, you Anderson, and everything's I don't cut yeah, we're gonna go like so far.

I know like we're going three hundred thousand in.

Like, I'm not cutting the first corner.

So I'll make everyone's property value go up forever it's worth it.

I think the plus would be getting rid of the vinyl.

That's a that's a head start.

Balance is an appealing idea.

And if you had original arch on the left and you have the original that three that uh three window set that's got the store windows that that's next to it between it and the front door, if that kind of looks on the right in and done right in good material, then that would improve that house.

It's lacking because of how it's done now.

So no one liked the three the three windows.

No one the ones he didn't put up on the in the middle.

Yeah, I think I was the only one that voted against them last time.

I I do not like them.

I'm fine with the grid pattern and everything.

I would just rather them be SDL than GPG.

And that's well, don't think I was kind of curious.

Like, did he like did he hoodwink everyone?

Like, did they get a did that get approved?

Like I think he had already done it before.

And then I think he got a little grease because he had already done it before he came.

But um I was just curious, yes, sir.

Okay, Marin, do I hear that now?

So you finish your group.

No.

I guess I'm a software.

Hi all.

And I am Daphne Hill.

I actually your house you saw my home on the side, directly adjacent to.

Um, and obviously we're very appreciative and grateful that changes are being made.

So, but what we do want to ensure, sorry for not silencing that is making sure that it's done right.

I think to what Chris said, oftentimes um things are done, and then we come back and we offer grace, like a metal roof, like a board and batten that does not, as you all have expressed, fit into the neighborhood.

It is not too complicated life, but we moved in, we all made agreements that this would be a historic district, and as such, we would like to keep the integrity of that.

And I think the other part that was was uh mentioned is things not being approved.

This home has looked like this for six years.

We have lived next to this.

We would not like that to happen again.

No implications, Caleb.

I don't know you.

So, you know, wanting to make sure that as things are done that they are approved, that the city stays as engaged with this as the neighborhood is.

That's what I request and ask from you all.

We love the improvements.

We want it to happen, and it improves the neighborhood, improves our value, the tax structure, everything.

So we are all um on board with this.

But those are just a few of the the thoughts that I wanted to share.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Thank you for attending.

Okay, so back to the application.

We're okay with the shingles.

I'm I'm kind of lost on the siding.

There we are.

So look let me ask about the shingles.

I I don't I see the top fitting with the brown, but I don't see it fitting with black or gray.

Do you could we agree on brown here?

Wouldn't that fit better just to move on?

Uh uh I'll put it this way.

Caleb, he's asking because you indicated that you wanted to paint the house in a neutral color, such as taupe.

So that's why Martin is asking.

Remember, we don't deal with color.

We don't know.

I think everybody here likes brown.

Yeah, but we don't have a authority on color.

No, I don't, but I'm just mentioning that you're the top is gonna is gonna clash with black or gray in my opinion.

So uh not not thought like a uh he could zero in on brown, black, or gray.

Okay, I'm just trying to get a fix.

Yeah, okay.

No, Mr.

Mr.

Kendall, uh no, you're absolutely right.

Um, and not to confuse things anymore.

Um and you said paint you don't have a say so, is that correct?

Out of curiosity.

Okay, so for what's worth though, I wouldn't do anything crazy like to the neighborhood anyways.

Uh right, but I'm not I'm leaning away toward where it's not where I'm no longer going that direction.

That just seemed like a bad time to say that.

I'm not wearing a pay paint the house toe.

So um, but it wouldn't be no nothing.

I ain't gonna paint the house pink, you know what I mean?

Um but maybe I'll you know do a poll or something like that, and I'm up in the suggestion.

Well uh uh black and gray are charcoal are real common with whatever the house colors are.

I I would I would be you know I was just trying to zoom in.

Yeah, that's where I'm at whether leading it in that direction, and if we're leaning, can we go there?

All right, let's move on.

What I think the thing to lean on, zone in on is the is the uh batten uh the hardy boarded vertical or not all the way around.

No, I agree, yeah.

And yeah, so and my biggest thing is that like though if anyone stopped by and talking to me, they would know that I'm 100% for I'm gonna go, I'm gonna get paid, I'm gonna laugh all the way to the bank, I'm gonna go home about my life.

I want y'all to be happy.

I'm not uh I I do one thing, and that's it looks beautiful.

That's all I care about.

I'm I I like you know, so if that's if we're dead set on that, if y'all are gonna squeeze by by board and batten, it's gonna look better, but we're more concerned about it gelling.

I'm not looking to you know be like another thing like you wake up and you're like, oh so are we are we uh uh looking towards putting in here uh siding uh uh um replace board and batten with clapboard or whatever the other technical terms.

Lap hardy all on all four sides.

But now the born and batten that's there, you have did you just put that up?

No, sir.

No, it's got bathing coming off.

Yeah, he was he I don't I'm gonna stop talking about that.

That's gotta come off.

Yes, it's it's oh, all it's coming off anyways.

Well then it's not a big deal.

Right, all right.

So then we're gonna change the wording here.

We're gonna drop boarded batten and put in lap.

Lap.

All right.

I'm excited.

Okay.

Overall property visible from the street.

Martin, are you gonna help put us this to a motion here?

Well, I will, but I'm just trying to get the low beer alarm went off, and I gotta I gotta go on.

I gotta feed the cows back in Jackson, so I'm gonna I'm I'm ready to go.

All right, so uh we got we got the first two.

The the the deck and the fence are really not our turf because you can't see them from the street.

So we're gonna cross that out.

And then we don't care which paint the house, and then uh you're gonna remove the door with no steps and seal it up as if it were never there.

Well, can we if he's gotta come back for the windows anyways?

Can we wait to make that part of that application?

Well, if he's doing the siding, yeah, that's the problem.

When is the next one out of curiosity by chance?

When's the next one?

August 3rd.

Yeah.

I I don't know.

I don't have a problem with the taking the door out and sign up.

And and the so we're gonna have the replace the remove the door and uh patch it up as if it were never there.

Right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Right.

So you're ready for a motion.

Uh well, you're gonna do it, uh leave the the garage, two-car garage.

Make it a one-car one, a one-door garage.

Uh we're just gonna leave it as is, sir.

Um that there, you're gonna leave it a two-car entrance, or you were gonna make it one door.

We're just gonna leave uh uh this two doors.

You would say there were not gonna be any changes.

I couldn't tell that from the application, but you're in the I apologize.

Yes, sir, it's gonna be two, yep, there you go.

If you come back, don't use any.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, uh I'll use a crayon.

All right.

Now the crayon color coded.

So I think as we as this is a collaborative uh this is a work session, okay.

We don't normally do it this way.

But but on what Martin, what you've gotten down, if we go on the uh the lap party all the way around, if you're talking about coming back on on the option for the right side with the windows, that will be in the same you know uh that's where boarding the siding will actually go.

So you'll need to come back and and have that if you're gonna cross the bridge with the windows before you do the siding.

That makes leave out the side.

Uh that's his problem of work out, I think.

I'm signing to put in the windows.

Well, he could cut out where the windows are going, or he could just box out and he could frame it out.

So everything will have been addressed except the potential to come back for our window option.

Is that correct?

Correct, yeah.

And then that's his issue.

But make sure to, if you're doing like railing on instead of it being all stuck over whatever that is, that you include that.

How do y'all feel about that?

Uh that I want to I want to pull it off.

That that thing right there, like the stucco thing.

Uh in the front where the stairs are with the rail.

Oh, yeah, just to be different.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't like it.

I want to rip it off.

But again, you'd have to come back for that.

Okay.

So you would break that up.

Is that what you're leaning towards?

Yeah, I would like to like send you all firm requests on Facebook or something.

Like just tell me what y'all like.

That way does you go off seamless.

But I think what it would make sense, yeah, to have brick and just not have a big solid mass like that, just like normal steps.

We yeah, well, it just it's we're not it don't feel safe when you're when you're actually walking up those steps are really high up on the other side of that wall.

There's it's not so behind this uh plant on the left, is that stucco also or is it just painted brick?

It looks like suckle.

It's the same as the stairs.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

All right.

You ready?

Yeah, so all we're all we're approving.

We're not approving anything about windows.

We're just exactly what you said on the first line.

Remove the bell roof, install architectural shingles, GAF, brown, black, or gray.

And then the second line is going to be altered to siding.

Uh we're gonna remove siding and deck, but we're gonna install hardy lap board siding over all property visible from the street.

Is that right for you?

It's over for you all.

I'm I'm gonna make a little happy.

Seriously.

I mean, I want to be friends.

I want to get like y'all can bring me cookies when I'm done.

I think you're making a motion.

I'm making a motion.

All right.

And uh let's see.

We're we're crossing out extended repair deck and fence because we don't our turf, paint's not our turf.

But we are going to remove the door with no steps and replace it with lap board siding consistent with the rest of the uh lap board siding.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, okay, good.

And that's it.

All right.

That's and you understand that you gotta come back and talk to us about windows if that's what you're doing.

Uh and we'll say we're not doing anything to the garage.

Right.

Okay.

Is there a second on the motion?

I'll second that.

All right.

Any more discussion?

Sandra, are you good on the motion?

Yeah.

All right, so just a review.

You're okay with the shingles, those three colors, siding, it's gonna be um hardy lap siding, and then you're gonna take out that door and side over it, and that's all that's we're approving.

The deck and the fence are not visible from the right-away, so you don't need our approval.

The back side of the house.

It's not visible from the right away.

We don't have to.

If we can't see it from the right away, we don't have jurisdiction.

So I can do boring batten on the back side of the house.

Can't see it, right?

You could if you wish.

I don't think it would be a plus.

Okay.

Let's take a all those in favor of the motion.

Opposed.

Are you in favor, too?

Okay.

Any other discussion I asked that, all those in favor?

Okay, motion carries your approved.

So remember roof shingles, the three your choice of the three colors, horizontal lap siding on all surfaces visible from the public right-away, and take out that door and side over.

Nothing else is approved.

Okay.

I think emails.

Any questions?

A lot, but I'm not gonna ask them.

Well, here's what you need to do.

Here's what here's what you need.

What you need to do, because we're not so like Jim said earlier.

It's we're trying to help you out.

But it's not our job to sit here and discuss your project.

So if I'm ignorant.

So if you're gonna come back, Shelby is in the building and zoning, you can make an appointment with her or somebody on her staff and go in with your plan or whatever notes, and if you want to bring your interior design or I'll brush my teeth, wear a suit, hold on.

Yeah, go through everything you're proposing so that when you come back here, assuming you do, you've got here's exactly what I'm saying when we don't get into this discussion.

You got it?

Yeah, but I want to say thank you though, seriously for not shooting me down.

Okay.

All right, good luck.

Caleb, you'll get a letter, you'll get a letter.

We'll email you a letter with the motion, exactly what you're what what has been approved here.

Okay, so that way you can then proceed with securing a permit for the work that you're going to do.

Okay.

Okay.

The next meeting is August 3rd.

August 3rd.

But if you're coming back, you need to get with them beforehand and go over your plan with the city building.

The deadline for submitting uh your paperwork for the August 3rd meeting is July 20th.

So if you think you're gonna do anything other than what was approved here, or add windows, whatever it is, just make sure you have everything in by July 20th.

The tree, the tree in the front yard.

Uh is that my tree?

Can I do what I want to with that tree?

We don't care about it.

You don't care about the tree.

Okay, I'll I'll just want to cut that tree out.

Okay.

Okay.

Caleb.

I want you to know that we've gone uh uh extra mile here to work with you.

Yes, sir.

Part of the story you're telling and just the desire to do it right ourselves to hear the neighbors we want to do it right.

We've had a work session here that is unusual.

Sorry.

And I feel good that we have, but I I'll feel good if we don't do it very often.

Yes, sir.

And so next time needs to be kind of up or down, you know.

Yes, sir.

So we've worked with you today.

Thank you, Mr.

Steve.

And don't don't let us down.

Make sure you do a good job.

Okay.

All right, you can go.

But before we adjourn the house on seminal, remember the one we had all these with?

But that's become a wreck, and they stopped working, and I believe the thing I read they hadn't paid their taxes.

Did you see that?

Their city taxes.

That's what Bill Bruden said.

So there's all sorts of issues.

So I that you brought it up, uh I'll add 30 more seconds.

I drove by the other day, and some of the windows have been replaced.

Right.

Some of the windows have got some temporary cover on them, and some of the windows are still vinyl.

Right.

And I was thinking, you know, it maybe this another extended project has taken, you know, however long it's going to take.

You know, the job that never ends.

But I didn't know this is news to me to hear this, but because I have a picture of it.

There's still a vinyl window.

Right.

Well, yeah, I think they have a well, from what I heard, I think they have abandoned the project.

Oh no.

Hopefully they'll be back.

I I I don't know.

But um, but Judge Morris keeps everybody in.

You said they're painting the front of that nice brick.

No, I they're not.

I hadn't heard that.

He said they are?

No.

No, no.

No, no, no, no.

I said that, no.

So anyway, just so you know, maybe we'll have a better update next month.

But um anyway, anything else?

All right, thank you, everybody.

Meeting adjourned.

Thanks.