Well, the special committee on real property tax reform meeting of January twentieth, twenty twenty-six, please come to order.

It is nine oh three in the morning.

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Non-voting members, our member members Cook, Paulton, Senance, and U Hutchins.

We have one item on the agenda this morning.

And it is Raptor 7, Bill 142, 2025 on the home exemption and long-term rental exemption from real property tax.

Let's begin with public testimony.

Uh Chair, we currently don't have any individuals signed up to testify at the beginning of the meeting.

Um, there is an individual raising their hand right now.

Should I proceed with calling them, Chair?

Yes.

That would be Tom Crowley to be followed by Michael Williams.

Okay, I need to give instructions first.

Yeah, well, this is the job.

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We'll now call on testifiers wishing to testify at the beginning of the meeting, which means this will be your only time to testify because we only have one item.

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Chair, the first person signed up to testify is Tom Crowley, to be followed by Michael Williams.

Hello, our chair, Tom Crowley.

You've heard from me many times in this meeting and and in others.

I am I'm very grateful for uh this um committee, and I hope that it does continue because I do believe that there are several issues that we still need to work out uh in real property tax, and uh, and I really appreciate the opportunity for the council to do this outside of budget session.

So thank you for uh for creating this committee, and and again I hope that it continues.

Today you're gonna work on bill 142, and it looks like there's really only one uh proposal brought forward, and I can't say that I'm in full support of it as the solution to this problem, and I think everyone understands the problem, and the problem is that the tax classification that we apply to a property can change the property tax bill by as much as 10x.

It can be 10 times higher uh in one um particular um classification versus uh owner-occupied classification, and um uh that being off that much, it can last for in the current situation up to 18 months.

It can be wrong for up to 18 months.

What's being proposed could bring that down to as little as six months in some cases, and maybe that's the best we can do, but it it it also could be gone off for for as much as um one full year.

And and I see this as more of an accounting issue than I do anything else.

Um, we really need the help of of the real property tax department to say, hey, we can change this more efficiently, but right now they can't because of the way the accounting works.

They have to have the numbers in by a certain date and and so forth.

And I understand the problems from from their perspective, but I don't think that what is proposed today really solves the problem.

And it does seem that we have put aside the issue of changing the real property tax classification for properties that uh are going to go into the long-term rental classification.

I if if I understand what's being proposed and council member Paulton will explain it better, uh I I think that that we're taking that away.

And again, if we want to use the lower property tax rate that is uh being provided to people providing long-term rentals, delaying that implementation of it by up to 18 months really makes that a more difficult thing for people to accept.

So I I know we can solve this problem, but but we're not gonna be able to do it with just the council taking action here.

It's going to take work on the real property tax department saying we can do it some other way.

Um that's that's the end of my time.

Uh, I'm sure I hope that we will talk about more issues in the future.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Tom.

I see uh a hand, member Johnson.

Thank you, Chair.

Just to clarify on that uh point that you made, Mr.

Crowley, about it being an accounting issue.

I totally agree where you're coming from on that.