Okay, good afternoon, everyone.

Uh, this is uh the short-term uh residential vacation rental committee meeting.

Uh we're meeting here at City Hall.

Today is February 19th, 2026.

It is 2 p.m.

and we're gonna start our meeting.

We have a quorum present of all the members of the committee uh being here now.

Um so the first item of business here is for public comment.

Um we'll have an uh opportunity for public comment at the end of the meeting.

We'll have one now, and we will have one uh on each of the agenda items that are available.

So if you'd like to address the council or the sorry, the uh committee uh now, this is an opportunity for that.

Any members of the council would like to talk to the committee?

Okay, seeing none, then we'll move on to the consent agenda.

We need consideration for approval of the agenda for today.

And uh Marco, you had one you want to pull.

Uh yes, we're gonna go ahead and pull the meeting minutes for last week.

Those are still being transcribed.

Um, we'll still hold public comment on that, but we'll hold that to get off that agenda for today.

Okay, is there any public comment regarding the minutes that don't exist?

Seeing none, uh, we'll we'll uh entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda for today's meeting.

I make a motion.

Okay, Natalie.

Natalie, first and your second.

All those in favor say aye.

Are there any opposed?

Thank you.

Uh okay.

Oh, I didn't.

Okay, so administrative items, discussion uh and action regarding uh short-term rentals.

Uh is there a where did I see that there was a presentation that was sorry, just a minute.

The presentations will be next week.

Okay.

Very good.

So this meeting is really just uh we're gonna have a conversation, aren't we?

Right, Jesselin?

Okay, so on item number three discussion and action regarding STRs.

Okay, so I guess uh earlier we talked a little bit about when we you might want to do that.

So maybe this is as good an opportunity as any.

All right.

So it has been a busy week.

I certainly a busy week.

We had uh um myself uh and sherry ended up going to a few different places because only two of us can do that for open meeting laws.

And uh I know other members of the committee did as well, but we visited with uh lots of different uh organizations to learn as much as we could about what they do in relation to this topic, and my head is very full.

Uh, but it was all very helpful and very good.

And so I think some of that conver that's gonna come out in today's meeting as we have a conversation about this.

So who I know Dave, you you also uh went to uh as an example, you went to um who did you visit with?

Uh Premier Property Management.

Right, as did we, and got a since they represent a hundred of the 127 or so units that are uh registered uh short-term rentals in the city.

247.

How many?

247.

I see.

As far as I oh, 227.

Oh boy, 200 and something units in the city.

Uh we had a a uh good conversation with premier properties because they represent about a hundred of them, just short of a hundred of them.

Well, so they were a good source to go to to try to get as much information as we could about that side of the issue.

And it was very helpful.

I thought it was very fruitful in a lot of ways to learn many things.

And Dave, I hope you found the same thing.

Um, and then this morning, uh we visited with uh the police department.

We went and visited with Chief Fails and uh uh I call him Captain Quinn and spent about an hour and a half with them along with uh our city manager Rebecca Becca.

And uh again had a great uh understanding of what the police department's role is is in all of this.

And so these are the things that are gonna help fuel my personal uh uh approach to what we want to accomplish and what we want to recommend to the city council for an ordinance of some sort to help guide us on on this topic.

Uh so having said that, I'm not sure exactly where to start because this is kind of just wide open.

Vanessa, do you have anything you'd like to start talking about?

Yeah, um, I mean, what I worked on over the last week was kind of coming up with a SWOT analysis, so strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats of where I see our current chapter 13 and the implementation that we need to take to adopt AB 363.

So strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats of where I see our current chapter 13 and the implementation that we need to take to adopt AB 363.

And so I found um several weaknesses.

Uh but obviously we're going to see that because we don't have we weren't planning on um AB 363.

So knowing that that's coming up, um, I think that's where our focus should be making sure that chapter 13 takes into consideration what's going to happen by the end of this year, regardless.

So applying uh the definitions that are in AB 363.

Uh just kind of I that's what I worked on.

I don't know how much detail you want me to get into right now.

Maybe if we just and I also met with Sherry um briefly and we went over just a little bit about uh premier properties and a little bit about that.

So I can expand, or if we want to just go down and then we can come back and have discussion.

Okay.

Okay.

Um there is some good discussion, I think, to be had about that.

You're your uh if I hear you right, you're you're thinking that that's something we should be looking into and focusing on and moving forward on quickly.

Is that is that fair?

Yeah, great.

What do you got, Dave?

Um, yeah, I've done a tried to do in in the time as well, a bunch of research on uh AB 363, um, but also um, you know, there was a pamphlet put out in 2017 that was brought to my attention by the Nevada Nevada uh League of Cities.

Um, and I I've come to the conclusion that this is a much bigger, a much bigger thing than just short-term rentals, what we're going down.

Um, and uh I I kind of wrote a statement here.

Um if I can just kind of read it and put it on there there.

So it says, I want to start by recognizing that it is now clear mesquite will soon meet or has effectively met the 25,000 population threshold that triggers AB 363.

Um, because we're in Clark County, this means that the city will be required to comply with state law regarding the short-term rentals.

This is not a matter of preference or opinion, it is a state statute.

Our responsibility as a committee is not to debate whether the law applies, but to ensure that is implemented correctly, fairly, and in a way that protects the long-term interests of Mesquite.

However, I want to be very clear about something.

Short-term rentals are not the bigger issue.

They are one piece of a much larger transition that the city of Mesquite is undergoing as we grow beyond 25,000.

Uh, this population threshold affects planning, housing balance, land use, infrastructure, economic development.

If we allow this committee to become narrowly focused on short-term rentals alone, we risk making decisions that are reactive rather than strategic, and that could have unintended long-term consequences.

Because of that, I would strongly recommend that this committee focus its efforts at the this stage on two areas where we both have authority and responsibility, and that's the application process and the enforcement.

Uh, first, the application process must be clear, consistent, and legally defensible.

Property owners deserve transparency, and the city needs accurate information and accountability.

Uh, second, enforcement must be meaningful.

There must be clear standards for legitimate complaints, real consequences for repeat violations and accountability, not just for owners, but also property managers and operators.

Strong enforcement protects neighborhoods without overreaching into areas that the state law already governs.

I want to address the current moratorium.

Uh, one of my concerns is that this moratorium will um create um is that the moratorium often creates opposite opposite of their intended effects.

Instead of stabilizing a situation, they can create a rush of applicants from property owners who feel they need to secure licenses immediately, whether they intend to operate responsibly, and that can complicate the city's ability to manage this transition in an orderly way.

Additionally, moving too quickly to fully adopt the and implement AB 363 without careful planning could have significant and lasting ramifications.

This law affects condominium communities, existing investment, tourism, housing supply, and property rights.

These are not small decisions, they deserve careful and deliberate and informed action, not rushed reaction to a short-term pressure.

As we continue to work, I would also request that both a representative from the city's zoning and planning department and a qualified attorney be present at our next meeting.

Their expertise is essential to ensure that our recommendations align with state law, our master plan, and sound legal principles.

This committee should not be expected to interpret complex statutory requirements or long-term zoning impacts without their guidance.

Ultimately, our goal should be to establish a system that allows responsible short-term rentals to operate while ensuring the properties are properly managed and that neighborhoods are protected.

This is not about eliminating short-term rentals, it's about implementing state law correctly, establishing a strong local enforcement and making decisions that support mesquite's long-term stability and growth.

I say all that and kind of put it on record because I want to balance.

So my recommendation to our committee is that we focus on application enforcement and kind of stay out of legal and zoning in areas that are way out of I know my expertise.

Thank you.

Sorry, sorry, I took a little extra time.

No, is well done.

Excellent.

I mean, I can't tell you how much of that I personally uh think is exactly right.

So uh okay.

Um let me let me come back to yours.

Okay, Natalie, do you have thoughts on that?

Um my concern is is you know, as I've been listening to everybody, everybody's just been visiting with all of the um income revenue people, you know.

That you know, let's visit with who's you know running the short term and and um how's it the income and how's it gonna be best for our community?

I don't think anybody has gone and they're not even thinking about um the actual homeowners here.

It's um, you know, uh, you know, I was told, you know, I bring, you know, our business brings in $882,000 worth of revenue to the city, and you know, we we have all these ball teams come, we have this, we have this, and we need to accommodate them.

Um so you know, I just wanted to make sure when we go through all this that we take care of the homeowners here.

And you're smiling because I know everybody's like, Natalie, you're the only one supposed to, you know, the VR, you know, these uh these um short-term rentals.

And I felt bad that that's what the city council people did is went through and found the people that were pro for them to do this.

Um, I want to do what's right for the for the community and for the people.

That's how I feel, not what's going to bring revenue to my business or so and so's or whatever.

Um, I went through the pros and cons.

You know, the pros are the local revenue growth.

We have tourism revitalization.

Um obviously homes can um host larger groups and so forth.

And I've stayed in a lot of these myself, and I enjoy them.

You know, you know, hotel rooms, you can't visit and sit around the living room at night or the table and have your meals if you like.

Um, job creation because of increased tourism, more hospitality jobs are created, and we already live in a hospitality city.

We I think sometimes we need some more tech jobs brought in.

Um the challenges are our supply reduction, long-term rentals are taken, um are taken and turned into more lucrative short-term rentals.

So we lose our long-term rentals, um, rising costs, a high density of the short-term correlates, increased rent and home prices, often displacing essential workforce members like teachers, nurses, and police officers who can no longer live in the community.

Um, investor speculation, we have in popular popular resort towns, investors uh buy up housing stock primarily for rental income, turning residential neighborhoods into transient zones, and also neighborhood um nuisance noise, trash, parking issues, and also we have the erosion of social fabric, which is the high turnover, can weaken community ties, long long-term neighbors um are replaced by transient visitors, and we have regulatory struggles of enforcing these.

So I want people to realize, and and my long my recommendation is when we go through this and and as we look at it.

I really think we need to put a moratorium or a cap or so many permits can be put out because I think one person or an investor coming in and having five, six, or ten is ridiculous because we're looking at the homewards, you know, we have the right of quiet enjoyment.

And that doesn't mean I don't think a homeowner is a person that has business permits.

I can see one or two, but I do think that we need to keep the city as a community because we're not going to have a community as a small and the other small city and what people moved here for.

If we're going to allow a lot of people come in, and we are uh you know, we are a resora community, but we're also a retirement committee with people here that aren't looking for people in and out around their neighborhoods.

And I know now neighborhoods now that are um that are non-HOAs are forming now to get CCNRs and HOAs just because of this, because they can't we're not gonna protect you if you're not in an HOA.

So I think we have to look at that other end and not the people that are one here for business.

Very good.

Um Amy.

Oh, okay.

A couple things.

Um, I heard Dave say something that really hit me at the end of uh when we were just visiting after the last committee meeting, and we were talking, we had the gentleman from Canada that spoke about greed.

And Dave pointed out that there's many forms of greed.

There's financial greed, um, there's a greed of me having maybe I like um much more privacy than you know my neighbor.

Um, maybe it's I need everything quiet.

So there's different kinds of greed.

And um I think this committee, we need to commit ourselves to representing the good of the whole.

And therefore, when I went into looking at things this week, I thought, okay, what skills do I have, what experience do I have, what do I understand that I can share or demonstrate or just be part of.

I looked at 363, I've read it three times, I think, and I'm still and I just don't think I have the skill to interpret and apply the law.

And I really strongly agree with having a planner and legal representation here.

If our city attorney doesn't know the specifics of some of this stuff, and maybe um maybe you know, contract with someone who does, I don't know, but I don't think that's this committee's job because it is above our understanding of the law, at least it is for me.

So when I went into this, um, I just thought about what we did do with our business, and you know, we've been doing this since 2018, and we've learned the hard way.

Um, we operate as co-hosts, not managers.

Um, it's against the law in Nevada to be a property manager without your broker's license.

So we operate through a co-hosting program, and we do not handle money of the owners.

That's that's a big big difference.

Um, but we've we've hit a lot of snags and and made a lot of mistakes.

And so I I went through our chapter 13 of our city code, and I there's a folder here for each of you.

Um, and I just kind of summarized each point in that city code um, so that you could don't have to read all the legal mumbo jumbo.

But I I highlighted things that either we have had an issue with um and we have a way to solve it, or it's ambiguous, and it's a rule that can't be um it doesn't seem to have enough meat in it, or we don't have the resources to hold people accountable.

If we don't have the ability to hold people accountable, or we don't know who to hold accountable for what, it probably shouldn't be in here, or we need to revise it.

And so that is in there.

The other thing I I did is I just printed off some things that we use to communicate with our uh guests, our neighbors, and our owners.

And one of them is owner, what do you need to do to make sure you are um satisfying city code?

What is our responsibility on that side to meet city code in getting your property up and running?

Um that's this one, and then we have a letter that goes to every neighbor.

Um, I try to walk it through the six, seven, eight um neighbors that are in direct uh front back side.

Um, and we have three contact numbers, and then we have um condensed rules so they know what we call in for, what can we call in for that's not a nuisance call because in our chapter 13 they can be fined for nuisance calls, and we we've experienced that, and there was nothing we could do with the complaint because it wasn't a valid complaint.

And then the last thing I gave um was just um our property rules that we will incorporate with the with the brochure that the city puts out and uh with the parking signs and everything like that that they want.

condensed rules so they know what do we call in for what can we call in for that's not a nuisance call because in our chapter 13 they can be fined for nuisance calls and we we've experienced that and there was nothing we could do with the complaint because it wasn't a valid complaint and then the last thing I gave um was just um our property rules that we will um incorporate with the with the brochure that the city puts out and uh with the parking signs and everything like that that they want so it's just an example of what we do so hopefully it might help a little bit very good so along those lines and if you don't mind I'll comment maybe throw my own little comment in here along those lines that's a kind of kind of what we've been doing is we've been collecting up ideas information from all of the people that are involved in uh property management just to get that whole side of the of the thing so these items you've you've provided here are very useful we I I feel like we'll be able to consolidate that along with other things into our work does anybody have any uh uh I know I'm gonna get to um Sherry in just a second but Dave did your your name was invoked did would you like to have a comment?

Um Amy how many times a week and then Christina if you or Christine right or Christina.

Christy um how can I ask how many times a week month do you or your company get called for a violation I would say oh I'm sorry.

Well okay I'm not sure where we're going here.

So can uh uh or can just Amy answer that of course but I I'm just I I'm wanting to kind of control this just a little bit we're gonna be here a long time if we uh let this go too far and so we're gonna have public comment time and when we do if you make some notes about what we're asking about and then I'll give you an opportunity to come up and talk about that if that's okay.

Is that I answer Dave's question?

Yes.

I would say on an average one a month or one every two months and I do think that's because of our communication with neighbors and their understanding of what they can do what they can't do.

What was your tell me what your question was again I I just want to know how often our companies that are managing properties are actually getting phone calls for complaints.

Complaint registering just again as we as we look at this I I'm it's a curious question sure to know how many like how often are these complaints really coming in because I I know how the system works the squeaky wheels kind of get the grease and and so how what are what is our ratio of short term rental properties to how many are actually being complained good question.

Okay very good I don't I and to speak on that a little bit I don't think we have enough accurate data on that to really take that into consideration because we don't have any realistic enforcement at the city currently I mean they've said to call up to your neighbor and let them know or call up to the STR and have you tried to talk to them and let them know to be quiet.

I think that we really need to be focused on what enforcements we're going to recommend to the city and I think that's going to come down to technology data technology there's no well I called this person was it reported was it an email was it documented who knows we just need transparency and so by recommending there's a couple different softwares that are available and the city already is using one I think that would eliminate that problem altogether so we in our meetings with uh both premier properties and the police department we focused a little bit about that and there is recently the Becca could could uh verify this but there's recently some new software communicate some some connection between Simon from the uh Simon's response he's not here but Simon's responsibility to for code enforcement the police department there's a significant effort that has gone on just recently here to uh connect those people together to start having a common source of uh what problems are there and documenting them and it looks really good to me uh so far I think what's gone on has been very good okay let me make one quick comment and then I'm then um sherry has come up with a series of um sort of recommendations that I that I'm hoping she can put on the table and then get comments from everybody regarding them and so that's I'm looking for but before I do um it's it's rare but occasionally I uh you may recall at our last meeting that Simon said in in response to my pointed question are you saying that we're required to adopt uh AB 363 and his his answer was yes and every now and then it doesn't have very often but every now and then I just don't agree with Simon about things.

In other words, we have the state demographer who who's who says what the population is, we have local administrative uh determinations like Simon.

Uh we have county data, and then we have the US Census data.

Uh and when a statute is silent, if you will, and says nothing about um who you should rely upon, then the default to do so would be to have a standardized source, which in this case is recommended to be the US Census.

Um if we use the US Census, we are so uh it's a standardized, well understood um medium to use for determining what your population is.

Um it is judicially recognized, it avoids political manipulation and it avoids moving targets.

Okay.

The the point of me bringing this out is that AB 363 is is is a conversation of ours because we are saying the 25,000 population is triggering that.

Right now, the US Census does not have us at 25,000 people, and we're not gonna know what it is for another five years.

Um Dave made some comments in this regard as well, and I I tend to think that it might be wise for us to consider not moving forward to adopt AB 363 at this time, even though we can certainly pull language from it and use it.

But I think that doing so is premature in a number of ways, and we have the flexibility of the US Census to give us a real number.

And in between now and then, we can continue to operate with our current code, and we can strengthen the current code, and we can do things that make more sense as recommendations.

But it's my opinion that we would be better served to to hang on a minute, pull back, give us some time to really analyze the impacts of this because it does not just impact short-term rentals, it impacts many things when we say we're 25,000 population or more.

And so to avoid triggering all of that, we might want to step back a little bit here and take some time and make sure we're doing it at the time when it's most appropriate.

So it is my opinion that we should um we should avoid adopting that policy now and wait.

And we may even want to wait until the United States Census is complete and then declare ourselves more than 25,000 people.

That's my thinking here.

Okay.

Anybody would like to comment about that?

Go ahead, Dave.

I just was thinking you keep skipping over Sherry.

Only because she's got a few, I am so sorry.

And and that's not I talked to her about this.

She's given me permission to skip over a couple of times because she's going to be talking about a few things that that are uh that are gonna involve all of us.

Sorry.

I think that we all have a lot more to say too.

I I'm sure you do.

Okay, so I'm I'm not sorry.

Okay, any any comment about what I just said?

I just think it's wise to really study and understand 363 before we make a move one way or the other.

Yep, and that would give us a whole lot of time to do that if we if we waited a little.

Okay, so Nat, anything?

Okay.

Um so let her go.

Okay, so Sherry go.

Uh one, so I have a couple comments.

I'm just gonna make this um really short, no matter how long this takes.

I'm just kidding, sorry, that's joke.

Okay, so I want to say something as far as like Natalie, and I really I really appreciate it.

I do feel like this, you're not the only one that, you know, Vanessa has a different look viewpoint on this as well as you do, as well as all of us have different variations.

And so I feel like the the city councilman members did an outstanding job of intentionally choosing each one of us to fully represent the picture.

Um top of that, they could have I won't go in that direction, but anyway, but I want to point out Natalie, a couple things that you say, because I one thing about me is I'm strictly about facts.

If you can give me the actual numbers and the source where it came from, and I can verify it, then I'm all about to listen.

But if it's based on the motion, um I want to keep digging until I find out what the facts are.

And and one thing that has been addressed a couple times is that these short-term rentals are taking homes away from potential families.

And then I haven't said anything about this, but it's been like a common thread's been brought up.

But the actual facts are right now, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the number somewhere around is there's 400 something houses for sale right now in Mesquite.

And I know my personal um one of the properties I purchased, it was on the market for months and months and months and months and months before someone ever before I actually showed up, you know, and purchased it.

So there was plenty of opportunity for someone to come buy it, but nobody did.

Um another thing is is I have properties not just in Wyoming or not just in Nevada, it's in Wyoming and in Kansas.

And so the property values, whether they're because you can say that short-term rentals jack up the prices.

Well, you could also say they could lower the prices.

Either way, I don't, it's not whenever there's I don't know the exact stat, but somewhere around one percent of everywhere in Mesquite, their short-term rentals, with 400 something houses on the market right now for sale, and also what I know about real estate is and having properties in the other states, the other states um the prices of the properties are high or low depending on the economy, not specific due to short-term rentals based on my actual experience and the fact that there's 400 something houses on the market.

337, if you want the exact 337, thank you.

Um so um, because I don't want to take away homes from families by any means, uh, but if the home is available, so I don't so that's not a factor um based on the facts.

Uh the second thing is I wanted to address that the board wasn't taking into account the families, and I really want to say that I feel like uh based on the comments people have been saying last time, and especially this time so far, and I can just speak on my own personal, is the whole entire obsession this last week has been finding out what is the problem.

So I've been obsessed with finding out what exactly is the problems, because if we can have the problems, then we can find a solution, then everyone's happy because I there's nothing more than I want is the neighborhoods to be happy.

There's nothing more than I want like us to be happy, then to be happy.

And my motto is like as long as they're happy, we're happy.

And so I don't I don't agree with your statement whenever you had said that we haven't been taking into account all the neighborhoods and the families because that's been um the reason why we went and designed what I'm about to go through, just as an idea to kick around, is we've been obsessed with finding the problem so we can make everybody happy.

So I don't want you to feel like we've been neglecting that when that's been literally the obsession.

And if we can make you guys happy, then everybody's happy.

It's just trying to figure out what makes you guys happy.

And I'm happy to make you happy.

Um, and then and I want to coin into what um both of these guys had said is as far as the statistics, we visited with the police department, the chief today, and wanted to know what was the actual percentage of complaints they had period on short-term rentals and not just the license or unlicensed, everything all together.

And they said as of this year, there was less than it was one quarter of one percent of all the calls.

And we were like, okay, well, what's last year?

And they said it was even less than that.

And those were actual um facts we got directly from the chief of police.

Now, what I really like about this is that's still there's still um a problem there, you know, even though it's a quarter of a 1%, there's still a problem.

We would like to figure out to make everybody happy.

With that said, the chief already went ahead and has been so proactive about this.

I was shocked because I didn't know this was a part of it.

What they have done is they have spent this was done a while ago.

They have spent so many man hours on putting together identifying every single vacation home out here in the whole mesquite.

And so let's say 11 Pebble Creek, hypothetically, that home is triggered as a vacation rental.

So if a call goes in there, then they actually get um that goes on that record.

And the police chief gets a printout, and I'm correct me if I'm wrong, but the police chief gets a printout every single day on all these topics, but one topic is vacation short-term rentals, like it's an actual topic the chief has to look at every single day.

And if there's any violations, it shows on there.

Um so the has that in place, but also let's say that if there's a so anyway, so every single individual property is now tracked in our system at the police department.

And if there's an issue, they're now working on a way if they haven't already, a way to where if there is issue, Simon gets notified.

They already did that for us.

And so that ties back into what I want to kind of bring about because it's been our obsession to figuring out what the problem is and how to solve for X.

So I wanted to talk about this, and a lot of you guys probably already have done something like this.

Um, and if you like it, great.

If you don't, I'd love to know.

If you want to add adjustments, I'd love to know.

But I really agree with everything that he just finished talking about as far as we should really focus on the two things, which is the approval process and then the um enforcement.

Like if there is a bad actor, there's nobody who wants them gone more than the people operating.

We want the bad actors gone.

So um to the extent that we have put in here fines, um, substantial fines actually hurt um for the bad actors, and also fines.

Um for if there's false reporting, because we found out through the police chief that there was some false reporting happening.

And so if I have permission, um I just what this is this is just I printed one out for everybody.

Okay, you get so you're gonna hand one of these out to everybody.

Basically, these are like notes that you want everybody to have that you're gonna you're gonna verbalize so everybody can hear it, but you're yeah, and it's just open thoughts, so nothing is in stone, nothing is getting voted on.

It's just open thoughts and how we can make it better.

Okay.

Um good okay.

So this is the approval uh vacation list.

If somebody wants to have an STR, what they need to do in order for it to be approved.

Um, to prevent having to have a city hall meeting, because all these years we've never had to have city hall meetings for approval.

That was thrown in and it caused all sorts of legal potential implications and mess.

So step one is can the house even apply?

That's step one.

Uh the property is in a zone where vacation rentals are allowed.

The property is not prohibited by HOA rules.

I know this is kindergartner basic stupid, but um, if the HY eliminates allow um short-term rentals, then obviously it can't apply.

So that's step one.

Um I okay to move on to step two?

Well, okay, in regard to that, is anybody have any specific comment about that on the committee?

Not hang on.

I'm gonna get to everybody out there, but okay, go.

Okay, step two.

Is the house set up correctly?

And by the way, this is currently following the um city rules that Justlin has provided with us.

Um is this house set up correctly?

Max number of guests is clearly set, no more than allowed by city rules.

Uh guests can park only on the property, not the street.

I don't know if that's that might be a little that's our rules, but I can answer that if you want.

So you have to be able to park all of your vehicles on the property for overnight.

You can park on the street during the day in compliance with the city ordinances for street parking, but overnight you have to be able to park all the vehicles on the property for that.

So that is correct.

Okay.

So guests can only park on the property, not the street.

Can I mention something?

Um does that include if that all those parking spots were taken, then does that include room for emergency vehicles?

Um site.

No, the emergency vehicles don't have to be able to park on site, they can park on street if there's an issue.

Okay, because in our codes, it does say something about emergency vehicles being.

There has to be if the streets that the cars of the guests are not on the street overnight, then the emergency vehicles have somewhere to park.

That's why it becomes an issue if they're on the street.

Okay, quiet hours are strictly enforced, which is actually stricter for short-term rentals than actually miskey as a community.

I found out today I didn't realize that.

And that's 10 p.m.

to 8 a.m.

quiet rules.

Smoke detectors work, carbon monoxide detectors work.

I'm sorry, just one minute.

Did we have an extra copy of this?

We've never given it out to people before.

Uh we how many did you make?

Six.

Uh you can have maybe mine.

I can share with Dave.

Okay.

Sorry.

That's a really good idea.

Can you put this up on the screen?

Yes.

Well, then there you go.

Okay, sorry.

Now you're all gonna be able to see what we're looking at.

And so step two is just the stuff that Jesselin already has put in place on what we have to meet.

So if we meet step two, the house is set correctly, then we can move on to step three.

Am I okay to move on to step three?

How does how does the parking apply then to areas that don't allow for that don't have like it would have to get specific to different properties that have different like condos don't have on-site parking, right?

So it's right, there's no driveway, but they have a designated spaces.

Yeah, so it's you have to be in those designated spaces.

Okay, no, I just and just to clarify, these aren't the ones I made up, these are ones just following the what we have that's already in place by the city.

I just uh I got thinking about different properties might not have on-site park on-site parking, but that makes sense.

Good good clarification.

Okay, are you are you finished with step two here?

Yeah, if I come up with the step so that we're so that we're not getting too wild and and not having to come back.

Is anybody got any comments about what's listed here on step two?

Uh is it a good idea, bad idea?

What do you think?

Anybody?

Is there anyone going out currently and checking when when uh when a business license is approved?

Is anybody right now going out and checking these things on a property?

Yes, we do have to do an inspection of the property, and you do have to pass that before we can issue the license.

Does the fire department really go and inspect every property or just code enforcement?

I don't know if it's just Ben or if George goes with him.

I'd have to ask Ben for sure, but I I know Ben goes.

Ben signs off on the CF certificate of occupancy.

So question.

Yes.

How is this different than what we already have in chapter 13?

Can you point out which ones are specifically different?

Yeah, they'll be into step three and step four.

Okay.

But we're just section by section.

So far, this is already what chapter 13 is doing.

Yeah.

Okay.

Good to carry on.

Step three?

Yes.

Okay, step three.

Here's where there's the differences.

Um they kind of keep moving on.

But uh step three is is there a real person responsible?

Like, is there a local contact person named?

Check.

Um, is the person available 24-7?

Check it.

Can that person answer the phone within 30 minutes?

Can that person show up within 60 minutes if needed?

And if any of these boxes are unchecked, then there's just no approval.

Okay, what do you think of that?

What's what's different?

Like how has it been like what is the what's the current is good good question.

So this is you're right.

This still matches what is currently in law.

But um, yeah, this still matches what is currently within the state.

You've added 30.

Yeah, I think we did the added the 30 minute phone call.

I think it's what's there, but I don't think it's happening.

Oh, no question.

I yeah.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I I absolutely forward.

So we're trying to I think that the big picture here is that we're trying to identify items that we can actually sort of pass as a as a committee on to the council as our recommendations.

Right.

So clearly we're we're we're duplicative in terms of what exists now, but we're trying to fine-tune things here, and and so like adding the you know, a person can answer the phone within 30 minutes kind of thing.

So the contact person, we want we want a little more stringent there.

Right now, I think it just says you gotta be with you gotta be there within an hour.

And we're we're talking about having a a component of that that says there needs to be an effort to reach out to the people in the home uh within 30 minutes and talk to them.

Maybe it's by phone, maybe it's by uh text message, whatever, but um quicker.

The police department's comment on this was interesting because you know, if if issues go unresolved for more than about 15 minutes, and that's kind of their response to get there before 15 minutes uh for serious issues, crimes, um, then the it gets it gets out of control.

It gets it it's wor it gets worse.

Things it things uh get up become much more problematic.

And so we took that to heart and we're suggesting that there be an effort almost immediately when you're notified that there might be a problem that if the management companies notify there's a problem that they respond as soon as possible, and certainly within 60 minutes, but we think there ought to be stronger uh efforts there to stop that problem if it's by phone or whatever.

So that's why that's and there is a state law on that too with rentals that you have to have you know, the owner has to be within 60 minutes, or the their management has you know, somebody represent them has to be within 60 minutes, they so that's that's it's state law.

It is, and and that I agree, and and so adding this 30 minutes in here is what we're talking about, right?

That's kind of like something new.

Step four is also new.

Okay, so in step three, is anybody else have any comments about that?

I just have a question.

Is there is there a box that we could put on there that would include some kind of um document that a person who says they're the local contact that they have to sign and it's sure we can because we can modify that where someone has to actually sign off on it?

I I think that would be great because I do think people that are using like evolve, I think they have that and they they list a friend or they list uh housekeeper if they're like out of state.

Interesting, but this is just the check marks for application.

There would still have to be an application that that had the in the the homeowner's address or names and and then a spot where that person is identified with a phone number.

Yeah, so I I guess I guess what I'm saying is I feel like this is important enough that maybe it shouldn't even be issued if that's that that step isn't assured.

Does that make sense?

And what is the step again?

Say it again.

The person who is there saying a homeowner is saying is the local contact person is legitimate.

So I think what I'm saying is maybe some kind of a signature um whatever it needs to be from that person or from the homeowner, making sure that that person can actually and will actually respond.

Okay.

I understand.

Yeah, I think what you're saying is sometimes you have a neighbor say, hey, I got you know, I'm gonna be doing this.

Can you watch my house?

Or you know, even on long-term rentals, hey, can you collect my rent from me?

But that person really does not know what's going on or how to handle situations when they come up.

So you have to have somebody, and it's just not for um complaints, it's for maintenance problems too.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Because if there's how many rentals did you say two?

There's there's two hundred and how many?

Two twenty-seven.

So if Premier That's a dispute, but okay.

If Premier has 120, we have 25.

There's a lot of homes that are being a lot of owners saying we have somebody, and we don't really know who they are or if they're actually doing you follow that.

Yeah, follow yeah, totally open for making that in there.

All right.

I'll make a moment.

Okay, so we're moving on to step four, unless there's yeah, go ahead.

Dave.

Do we start getting outside of our bounds if we start defining what that person's role, like who that can and can't be, like, or who the backup person is if the person's out of town because you know, neighbors go out of town as well, and then there's zero people there, like we we we could possibly add something in there that actually defines who that person is and what their requirements are as well, so that that person realizes when they agree to be the one who's gonna respond in 30 minutes that they realize what responsibility they're taking on.

I think so, yes.

Uh but if we go on to the the last part, it talks about like the violations.

And so if I'd like the idea a lot because we can say like they have to live in mesquite, which might they have to live in mesquite, um, something like that.

But if they if some reason they get beyond the thing and they're not gonna be responsible, then they're getting hit with a pretty big fine, we'll talk about, and we can change the fine, but they're getting hit with their license to spin, they're gonna hit with the revoke.

So if they really did get a bad person that's not really paying attention, then that's a bad actor, and we already have it put in place is just an idea.

We can change it that is gonna cost them a lot of money and they're gonna be shut down.

So it's the best incentive to really have somebody that is gonna pay attention to it.

Yeah, okay.

Can I move to step four?

Any other comments about step three here?

Go ahead, Vanessa.

So, how are we going to know that like what's the documentation process like?

So you call this person and then they don't answer, and then they call the city, they email the city, they like I mean, of course, I'm gonna go back to my recommendation that the city implements that software because there's a lot of other benefits as well.

But I would definitely say something like that needs to happen for transparency purposes, because I just don't trust that it will be handled correctly without something more transparent.

So that's on page five.

So there's actually a we'll get there, and I really like that you brought it up because you're looking at the holes that we need to feel.

Um on three here.

Okay, go four.

Okay, four.

Are the neighbors informed?

And again, we can change this, it's just ideas.

But step four is are the neighbors informed?

All are all the houses within 300 feet notified.

What does that mean?

On page five, which I'll get to in just a minute, it actually has like a little card that you hand out to your neighbors, and it says in kindergarten version to where this is the property address.

In case there's um a disturbance, step one, call um Sherry at 307 6897644.

Sherry has 30 minutes to respond back on a phone call, 60 minutes to get the problem solved.

And again, those numbers can be changed.

Step, and it has so Sherry's phone number right there, knows who the call there's an issue, bam, follow step one, it can be on their refrigerator.

Step two, if Sherry doesn't respond within that time frame, call the non-emergent police department, and then the phone number is right there.

You'll see it in a minute.

And then step three is just to document the evidence.

Like if they're doing, you know, having fires in the driveway or whatever the case might be, then document, take pictures of it, and then that's all your role is.

But it actually gives them a path to where they can step one, okay, call the manager.

Step two, if they don't answer, well, I know what to do.

I'm calling the police, and here's a number.

I mean, so it's really simple.

And what I think by that is what I know, um, is I feel like okay, never mind.

So go ahead.

So keep so um why wouldn't we rely on technology to do this for us when it's already developed and it we can figure out how to pay for it, it'd be no problem.

Why would we create all these additional steps?

Is there a reason why we need to call and document it that way?

Yeah, and I love technology.

I'm the first one to want to implement it.

know um is i feel like okay never mind so go ahead so keep so um why wouldn't we rely on technology to do this for us when it's already developed and it we can figure out how to pay for it be no problem why would we create all these additional steps is there a reason why we need to call and document it that way yeah and I love technology I'm the first one the one to implement it I'm glad you brought that up I just think um what I think is based on the statistics of what I actually looked what are the actual numbers coming back from the police department of a quarter of one percent um of short term rentals actually being an issue I feel like um just a simple phone call like with me although I don't have very many is the second someone calls me if I have any issues I'm like the first one to be on site to over you know to make sure it's okay and I know speaking with um Colleen based on their track record and actual lack of police reports they just like I just know by talking with them and everything that they have in place plus their track record a simple phone call hasn't been a problem and mine hasn't been a problem with simple phone calls.

Could we do technology totally game for but I think it's just but then also with mesquite the average population here as far as like the demographics I don't I think it would just be easier for you know my 80 year old neighbors to be able to just pick up a phone call versus having trying to figure out like apps online and figuring out where to go here to go with the and then the glitches and all this like complications I think of I just want to make it really easy for my neighbors and so I think just picking up the phone hey there's an issue great we're on it.

And if we don't get on it bam we get a $1500 fine or whatever type of fine and then if we don't do it again then we get terminated.

Can I add to that um I think the technology piece is really important especially when you're you're talking about fines you have all that documentation and everything ready to go but it that technology does not take care of um Mrs Smith who's being you know people are climbing on her walls it doesn't remove those people and take care of her immediate problem it doesn't take care of the immediate problem that somebody's RV trailer and truck are blocking Mrs.

Smith's driveway.

So that's to me that's where the the person the facilities accommodator or whatever I think that's what they call it to me I think that should be the first line of defense unless it's an actual uh safety 911 issue so I can add to that a little bit okay so um actually it does um have any of you researched grand Granicus or um deck Decker what's I have and I agree with you right yes it is actually much more transparent to go with that and it absolutely will address that because you can upload it online into the portal the home the neighbor whoever's making the complaint can upload everything and it'll send it right to code enforcement so it's just a more transparent way of documenting the problem versus a phone call.

But if you that's what I would recommend is reach researching both of those um companies they have several great resources and webinars as well.

Do you think that that um that software would be able to work through the legal issues of um a manager removing someone from the property yes I do um several cities are using it already um and generating much more tax money for their city as well because according to it was either Dexter or granite granicus host compliance they said that um 10% of the tax revenue that they should be getting that's all they're getting is 10%.

So that 90% is not being reported so also it communicates with the platforms and will report back to the city of Mesquite verifying business license and verifying how much their um stay was so the city can ensure that they're getting their full 12% on their tax so is there is there a chance of the management or the owner being penalized even though they were able to go and enforce and change the behavior I think that that would be something that we can establish as a committee what we would recommend based off of how many what offense they're at and structure the fees accordingly the fines.

I didn't hear that.

Okay.

Um maybe it was you remember that?

Yeah, yeah, it was in there.

So actually on the city, they have they already they you can go onto the city website and he wants to put vacation rentals and they can click there.

Yeah, to report to report.

So there's a a means for uh reporting a complaint from the public from a neighbor, right?

Okay.

Can I just ask, are you guys against the AI software?

Because I have to agree with Natalie.

Um it really feels like it's super heavy on protecting these STR owners.

And I I just am not feeling super comfortable with the approach that we're all taking because if you really want to solve the problems, I would think that you would want to go to the individuals that are reporting that they're and expressing their concerns up at city council and finding out how to address their problems, not going to premier and finding out, oh, we've only had this many complaints.

Well, we've heard several more complaints at city council than well than what was reported.

So I think we need to really evaluate our um like where we're coming from from this.

And Natalie's a real estate agent.

She talked about the long-term rentals.

That's a fact.

It does short-term rentals, it converts um investors over from long-term rentals to short-term rentals.

There's a greater return on their investment.

And if they're in it for investing, they're gonna want to do short-term rentals that takes away from long-term.

There's facts out there, there these are statistics.

I'm happy to provide some research.

I've read several research papers, and they're you know, the document is there that backs this up with with research.

So I think the the question that we're talking about here is a technology approach to uh people in the community that can report a problem.

And all I'm responding to that is that the city already has some.

I mean, I I certainly your question is good.

Am I opposed to that?

Absolutely not.

I I think that, but I'm I'm thinking that it's there's not just one solution.

There are others, and there might be others that are already in place that could be just as useful.

We just need to look at all of them.

I don't I'm not, I'm just saying that there's just not one.

Okay.

Uh the city actually showed us this morning exactly how a citizen could log on and could make a complaint directly to the uh police department, which would in turn get translated right over to Simon.

So the records are being created in inside of the city already if if we if we choose to use that method.

And now the other option is to choose a method that you're suggesting.

So and what I'd like to say too is that you know, on these AI or these automated um, you know, these websites too, you know, there's there's three or four different ones, there's plenty of them, and and they do all of it together.

That's not well, it goes this complaint will go here, and then it's got to go to Simon, that's gotta go here.

They these take care of it's all in one.

So I think we really need to look into them.

And you know, the complaints we were talking, okay, yeah, there's kids climbing the wall, you know, I'm gonna call or something like that.

But a lot of the complaints are at two or three or four in the morning.

And I say, so like make a call, then I've got to wait another 30 minutes.

Okay, so this the person was supposed to be here, isn't there?

So now I've got to call, find the owner, and I mean different things.

So you have to remember this, not all during the day when somebody's gonna run there and be there.

You've got to get out of bed, you gotta do this and that.

So if these complaints can be, you know, zoned quicker to the police at not, you know, at different hours.

We have to look at different hours of different complaints.

Okay, do you want to continue on?

Yes, I would love to.

I'd like to try to just finish this up.

Okay, so going back to step four.

Um, all houses within 300 feet are notified.

And um we can change that number.

Uh notification is sent seven days prior to the approval.

Um, this know this includes and what the nose includes is step one, if an issue arises, um, contact the 24-hour manager.

So they have the phone number.

Step two of an issue's issue is not resolved within 60 minute time frame, then it escalates to call the police, and then step three to document the criminal behaviors.

Um it's yeah, just based on and if any of these boxes are unchecked, then the no that then obviously they don't get approved.

So, what do you think about that?

Anyone well, we definitely didn't address anything with the spacing, and that's a huge concern of mine.

I I have to disagree with you, Rick, on AB363.

Simon was up here, and I think he made it very clear.

And then the census every 10 years, so we evaluate every 10 years what we're gonna do.

Like we need to be proactive and look what's happening in these other cities.

And we don't, you know, we heard comment we don't want to be like Vegas.

Neighbors, you know, like a whole entire street of STRs.

Like you want to create a resort town or you want to keep the small town fill.

I think that I some of this information, you know, is good for sure.

I mean, and pulling from chapter 13.

And I think Sherry is a phenomenal host too.

Um for and a great example.

We can take some best practices without a doubt.

I know that, you know, attending city council.

She had several people up here vouching for her professionalism and the way that she manages her STRs.

There's no doubt about it that when you are really going above and beyond, you can mitigate those problems.

But unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

You know, just because everybody's not going to take it to the highest level of care.

And I think Amy probably does a phenomenal job too.

Um clearly, you're you're providing some great points and some things we need to think about.

But overall, I really think even if we're not going to adopt AB 363, that we should take a lot from that because the city of Vegas, Henderson has already done all the work.

They conducted community um surveys, brought people in neighborhoods are um, you know, being they're not you don't know your neighbor anymore.

My grandma's in between two STRs, and they both have pools, and it's all day constant.

And I don't really think it's a good time or good use of resources to involve the police department in a lot of those lower level complaints.

I understand if it's a 911, yes, kid is there's there's a drowning, there's something major.

Yes, absolutely.

Call 911 and address those.

But a lot of these other things, we should probably take it off of our police department as much as possible and rely more on the technology and our code enforcer to address these problems.

So yeah, I I like some of it.

Um, but I think there's still a lot of work that needs to be done.

Any other in there's comments?

I just have a couple more.

I didn't I agree.

I, you know, we have a lot of you know, the short-term people that are are very conscientious about their tenants or the who they have there and and so forth.

But you know, like you know, we might have so many homes on the market right now, but they're sitting there, and they've been sitting there because of the prices and the interest rates, not because investors don't want them or the or the local people here.

This you know, we still have everybody priced out of homes at this point.

Um and so that's just you know, so they may sit there, and I because I do know I work directly with um HUD and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae for their repos.

And you always have the 30 days they have it open for the only um owner occupants can put in bids and offers, but on day one, you have investors all crowding in there waiting and waiting and waiting, waiting, and oh, I gotta wait, gotta wait.

So I mean, these people here may be that, but not all of our investors are you know are that way.

And we do appreciate the ones that are self-conscious and are conscientious about what they're doing because they're not not everybody's that way.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, go ahead, Dave.

As I sit here and listen to this, I I see both sides.

Um, there is some great technology out there.

Um, and uh probably a lot of you don't even know that uh seven or eight years ago the city was presented with this very software.

Um, and the city rejected it.

So it's not that the city hasn't been, and again, it's a totally different council, totally different administration.

So um I think it would be time again to um encourage the city to adopt this software.

Um and just for what it does, it's it's such a uh, you know, with the complaints and everything coming in.

Um it's a great place to document.

It's a a great place for the city to find out how many unlicensed VRBO type properties are going on in town.

Um, and that need to be addressed because as I've researched this, um, it a lot of the complaints that are coming in right now are not against properties that have license, is it's the properties that are not licensed.

Um, and that's why I wanted to know.

I didn't think it was an unrealistic question to ask how many complaints are being sent into companies that run their properties correctly versus the city that's getting complaints on properties that don't have a license.

Um, and we need it comes down to enforcement.

I really want to address enforcement issues as well because that's such a big thing.

I think both of you, the the AI uh software is a very important part of this product, but I know my demographic of this community, they want to pick up a phone.

If there is somebody next door that is a loud party going on at 1030, uh, they don't want to log into a software program and report it.

They want to pick up a phone and dial and know that they're talking to a person.

And so I think both are very important.

I think documenting it on software is important.

I think being able to pick up a phone and call somebody and talk to a real life person in the moment is important.

So I think we can find balance in making sure that there's software out there.

And I I love the idea of every neighbor needs to know that there's a short-term rental around there, and here's the phone number you call if there's a party going on at 10 o'clock and you're you're frustrated with it.

So I I I like I like where we're going.

I don't know if this is the final draft.

Um, but I do thank you for putting this together and getting it started on having a good draft for that.

So I think there's balance.

I think we'll find a spot where the technology and the phone call can come and and work together.

Can I point out can I point out one more thing?

Natalie, one of the things that the software could do to help us as co-hosts or managers, is that we often have a really hard time in the moment collecting data, collecting a picture.

Um, because by the time we get there, and we usually get there within 10 minutes, 15 minutes, they've already been tripped that they better stop what they're doing, and there's no evidence.

And we don't want neighbors to approach a guest who's being unruly.

It's not safe.

So in that way, I think the data or the uh program would be really helpful.

Okay.

All right, let's continue on a little bit here.

Okay, so and then the next page is um just an idea for how enforcement works.

Um, I mean, they've really laid the groundwork for keying this up.

And so step one, the neighbor calls a local manager first.

And you know, did you do I'm sorry, did you do step five?

Oh, step five is just final staff review.

So it is, but in in a in in summary, real related to step five.

In summary, we one of the things in this is a big one, is that we're we're thinking, we I'm I'm thinking and others, that uh we think this process belongs as as an administrative process rather than a public process in front of the city council.

It it seems to me that if we can if we can uh establish these rules and adopt them and then turn it over to the staff to carry out the will of the council and stop bringing these issues before the council.

That's one of isn't that one of the things you're trying to get to is turn this into actually turn it back into right?

An administrative review and approval rather than a public review and approval.

Um and I I think that's what you're driving at in terms of the fifth step.

Fair enough.

Okay, who who wants any comment about that?

May I, Rick?

Yes.

Okay, so um part of that is part of something that you guys can't really control on this committee.

Unfortunately, the scope of the committee is limited to Title II, chapter 13, which is just the vacation rentals.

What you're talking about, bring it before the councils in our title nine, our zoning code, where it becomes a conditional use permit.

So that's not something we can really tackle on this committee.

Okay, so good.

Now, Jesslin.

Why did it become a CUP?

That's a good question.

So it has gone back and forth since I've started um with the city.

I've been here 10 years.

When I first started, it was only allowed in areas where there were CCNRs that approved it.

And then we went to the conditional use to allow it in non-HOA areas.

Then we eliminated that and said if there's no C C and Rs, there's nothing to say they can't do it.

It was eliminated, so it was just forthcoming.

Then in C 2024, Simon changed the planning code to put it back to a conditional use permit, which council did pass and approve.

So that's why we're here.

Okay, so then it could easily be reversed again, couldn't it?

It could.

All right.

So if one of our committee's recommendation is to do that as an example, that's not inside of our purview.

I would defer to Becca and the city attorney, but the resolution does state your goal is to review title two, not title nine.

Okay, I understand.

Okay, got it.

Okay.

Um for the record.

I think an administrative review is okay.

I again I find myself sideways with Simon.

Okay.

Uh go ahead.

It's next page.

Okay, then moving on to the enforcement.

Um, so this is how enforcement works.

Uh step one is neighbor, and again, they'll have these nice little cards.

But uh the neighbor calls a local manager first.

And uh step two, the manager has 30 minutes to respond.

Step three, the manager has 60 seconds 60 minutes to fix the issue.

And step four, if not fixed, neighbor can call the police non-emergency number.

Okay, go.

Anybody thoughts about that?

So I'd like to say so.

This manager Hang on just a minute, Dave.

Dave hit his button.

Sorry.

Cool.

Um, how do we define real verified legitimate complaints?

Um, well, things that are well, I personally, as a manager, I want to know about everything because I want everyone to be happy.

So if they don't like a light on, I like I want to know.

I so I um that's a really good question.

So how would you guys do that?

I don't I don't know the answer.

I think it's what's in already in the code.

It's disturbing the piece, it's aggressive behavior, it's infringing on somebody else's property, it's noise level.

Um I don't think we can, you know, we've had complaints that in the middle of the afternoon, I was trying to take my nap and the kids are playing in the pool.

So I think the legitimate problems, I mean, I'm gonna come out, but I don't think it should be documented as an issue if it doesn't break the city codes that are listed in chapter 13.

Well, I think we probably all generally agree on that, right?

I mean, we we we're only gonna be dealing with real, you know, people say um we we hear complaints from people uh there they don't like all the cars parked on the street.

I understand that, but the you know, with the police department as an example, it's not illegal to park a car on the street.

And so we we you know, okay.

So if you're upset about it, that's one thing.

That's an emotional thing that I'm sorry to see that happen.

But in reality, that's not a crime.

And if it's not a crime, there's just not a whole lot anybody can do about that.

And I think that's the same thing you're saying, right?

We're only talking about real uh violations and not things that are just bothersome, you know.

Go and go ahead, Dave.

And I think this is where um Vanessa's uh technology stuff can come into play because you can document with the the neighbor can take pictures and document um and start a start a file, and then you know, that doesn't have to go against property management or the owner if it's not a legitimate complaint.

Because that's an issue.

Oh, have you had your button?

You told me to wait till after Dave.

And I thought I thought it was her that said that.

I'm sorry.

Sorry.

I'm sorry, I thought I thought you said that.

Sorry.

Okay, so uh Natalie.

Thank you.

And this is a committee, and I have a hard time trying to as us to be able to talk and see each other and then being ignored is is um that's where I get upset.

I just the one thing is I think when you when you're talking about the real or verified, sometimes I think the police are gonna have to, they're the ones that are gonna decide.

I mean, to me, what I think is real to Dave is ridiculous.

And it's uh you know, we all have ours, and the police are the ones that are gonna be able to tell you whether it's verified or not.

So unfortunately they'll be out called out like they are probably every day for unverified things.

My question is too, is that okay?

So the manager has 30 minutes to respond.

So if they don't respond in 30 minutes, then you have to give another 60 minutes for the for the uh because has if they don't respond it was encompassing within that 60 minutes, so like total of 60 minutes.

Yeah, good question.

That was it.

Okay, thank you.

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you.

Okay, you want to go on?

Or uh Vanessa, did you?

I just want to add one thing that um the whole reason why like the I'm I'm not sure exactly, I guess where we all stand on why we're here as a committee, like I know one thing is to figure out how many STRs are currently like unlicensed, so that's something we're gonna need the software for too, because they can scan.

I mean, you can go on Airbnb right now and look at a listing and their business license should be listed.

And if it's not listed at the bottom, then they're not in compliance.

So that software automatically scans, sends it back.

But the whole reason why we're here, like when you say it's not a problem that they can park on the street.

Um you're right, except when we have all of a bunch of citizens coming in here and complaining that there's multiple SDRs on their street and all of their parking is taken up.

Yeah, it's not a problem until we make it, and you know, it until we enforce that that's not something we can necessarily say you can't do street parking during the day, but what we can do is spacing, so we can ensure that we don't have multiple STRs lined up, creating this back, you know, backed up street parking.

So, like a lot of a lot of the complaints that were brought forward, I feel like we need to really be thinking about what those were and what we're doing to address them because nobody's mentioned spacing.

That kind of makes me a little worried.

Like, is anybody on board with spacing here?

So just we're we're I don't think in in what we've been talking about so far is actually coming up with the rules yet.

Right.

We've talked about an application process and we're talking about an enforcement process.

Um, and then we'll we'll get to a point where we actually can define what the rules are and are not.

So I don't think in in this presentation that Sherry's put forth, it's it's not that she's ignoring parking or ignoring the rules.

It's just it's it's a over oversimplification of here's here's how the enforcement process is gonna work.

Um we will come up with a list of rules.

So yeah, no, absolutely.

I I think we need to be careful once we start getting into the zoning and stuff like that into those kind of rules.

But um, I do think that part of what we will put together are some rules and regulations, but this this piece of paper here is simply just how will we enforce those rules, not the rules themselves.

Yeah, very good.

Okay, well, I just step one.

Can this house even apply?

That would be somewhere that we that you know, if it's within 660 feet, I actually think it should be more.

I think it should be a thousand.

That's what Vegas and Henderson do.

Um that that would be where that would come into play.

I mean, it's not here yet.

So of course it can be added in.

But I guess my question is are we going to discuss that?

Do the people on this committee believe that there should be spacing um requirements between STRs, and if so, how much?

And if you don't know yet, um, I think that's something we should definitely be discussing by next next meeting.

I agree.

Okay, so sorry.

I agree.

Okay, very good.

So then let's continue on here.

Okay, Sherry.

Okay, so then here we go into the penalties.

And this is where I think this will fix um a lot of things.

Is the first violation, and what I mean by violation is the neighbor, what they did, um the neighbor, what they did, they called the city or the the manager of the property.

That means the manager did not resolve this, did not even answer or did not resolve the problem within 60 minutes.

And then the police shows up and there's like an actual issue there.

So if that happens, then they get a warning on the very first time.

If they do it a second time, then they get the $1,500 fine.

I know it sounds like a lot, but I'm willing to change that.

I just wanted something, just something, you know, that is kind of something to start with here.

Yep.

And then if they do it a third time, um, which I'm really glad that Vanessa brought this up.

And then now Natalie also validated it, is I kind of get into my head because there's things that I would never do in a million years, like not make somebody happy as far as like the neighbors or the guests, like I would drop everything to make them happy.

And so I kind of get into the headset of where that might not be everybody, you know.

Um so I'm glad you guys brought that up.

And so if that does happen, $1,500 fine.

If it happens a third time, a $3,000 fine, you double it, and then their license is suspended for 90 days.

If it happens a fourth time, then their license is revoked and maybe like banned to never have one again.

I don't know.

But um, do you feel like those penalties?

I mean, okay, so let's talk about that real quick, real quick.

Comments on on this whole idea of penalties here.

My only thing was on the the first one, you're supposed to call the the owner or the property manager or whatever.

And a lot of times, you know, not everybody goes through a management company.

Um, so there might be the you know, like said their friend or neighbor next door.

I don't have that number to call them that I'm gonna usually mean I'm gonna call the police because I haven't, you know, I've tried like said before, I've tried to holler over the wall and say, hey, knocking off neon it's late at night.

But so that that first one, I don't know if if you can't get a hold of the manager the first time for that violation, it should be because not everybody knows who's managing their that property.

That's my only thing is who's managing it.

Not everybody hands out cards or knows.

But that but that's what Sherry's proposing is that it's mandatory for your approval of the short-term rental, is that every neighbor has who is managing this property, who is my contact if I do have a complaint.

Can I add to that?

Um, I really don't think there should be a warning.

There are so many things in place for you should know what you're supposed to do.

And other than being in the hospital, I I don't think there's any reason why we shouldn't.

So I don't think there should be a warning.

I think there should be some kind of fine on your first violation because you should be very versed in what you need to do.

What do you think, Ned?

Yeah.

What do you think down there?

Does that sound right to you?

So you so we're taking a pretty hard.

And then I just say that we we echoed, and I'm totally open for that because I don't like in my little fantasy world, I don't think we're ever gonna have an issue, at least with the properties that I oversee and the properties that Amy oversees and the property that premier properties over.

Like I don't think there's but sure.

I mean, I'm open to that.

Well, d and most of the time too.

I when I go on to VRBO or short term, it's like they have rules for me right there.

I gotta read.

It's like, hey, you know, our family lives here too, treat it right, don't distribute.

So I'm like, I'm you know, I'm you know, don't leave dishes in the in the dishwasher drawing, you make sure they're put away.

And I'm scared enough by just those rules, but I don't know if everybody is, but I don't I well I'm I'm just sorry, Dave.

I'm I'm I'm kind of encouraged that the idea that we all are on the same page of being uh not too lenient about this, and and that we take it very seriously and we don't uh you know, right?

It sounds like it, right?

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, and good with with that, Natalie.

I if we could maybe even add in there that um and premier does a great job of this, I've seen their their packets have like even the people that don't use a property management company still have a packet in their home, rules, regulations, contact, you know, all that stuff.

Um they shared with me their their information.

They have a great packet that every home has in it.

Um Amy shared some of her stuff that they have for every one of their homes.

Um I haven't seen Sherry's, but uh um, you know, every home that's used as a V RBO should have you know something easily accessible that quickly shows what the rules and regulations are for that neighborhood.

Yes.

Yeah, so what I was saying is I I do agree that there should be no warning because people in the when you show up, you should know how to behave.

Yeah, I think we're all on the same page there.

That's kind of cool.

Yes, ma'am.

If I may, um, some of these fines may be directly against AB363.

You can make them worse, like more restrictive, just so you know.

But it does say in here it may not exceed a thousand dollars or um the nightly rental value of the room, whichever's greater.

So you may have to adjust that if you're what would you recommend we adjust it to?

Recommend that so it can't be greater than a thousand, so I could just put a thousand.

But but we get I get that.

That's good.

That's good comment.

So I I think what uh Sherry's doing here, if I'm right, is just throwing out some ideas about numbers and what they ought to look like.

So what they end up being actually is is exactly what you're on track with.

I think they're pretty much law.

Okay, here we go.

Okay, so I think I think maybe Sherry might have picked this up for me, but you know, it's my my humble opinion that uh if people are in our community and they are found to be in violation of this completely, in other words, they are not licensed to operate like this.

I think we should take the harshest possible uh punishment for that behavior.

They are not paying the taxes that they should be paying.

They're operating without a license, none of this stuff.

I mean, I just think that if somebody's operating at that level, that we ought to be pretty severe about what we say we're gonna do to prevent that from happening.

Now anybody what do you uh okay?

Go in the I I think it's in 363.

I think they even term it some of the violations as a misdemeanor.

Yeah.

So what I I okay, great.

So what do you think about that?

Do you do we want if you're operating illegally in our city, do we want to be a city that says we're not putting up with that?

And we are gonna hammer you.

If you're if you're an accountant that's breaking the law, yeah, you're gonna be held accountable.

So you're you're saying you're camping on to that idea.

Natalie, you comfortable with that?

Is it Vanessa?

Do you have an opinion on that?

Doctor 13.

I believe the last page of chapter 13 does um already say it is a misdemeanor.

Oh, it is it 13?

It's chapter 13, yeah.

Well, whatever it is, it sounds like Dave, are you comfortable with that?

I mean, taking severe approach to people that are absolutely out of in violation.

I mean, sure.

And and this might not be a popular opinion, but should there be a um what a penalty if somebody has hired a property management company to manage their property?

The owner's getting a violation and a fine.

Is there anything that would give a consequence to the property management company as well?

And again, I know that might not be a popular question in here right now.

Um 363 does say the fine can only be imposed against the holder of the authorization or the accommodations faciliter as applicable.

Which is the property manager.

The the second part of that is in fact the property manager.

And again, this is language that we may or may not adopt, right?

Even though if we choose to not uh declare ourselves 25,000 or more, that doesn't matter.

That doesn't mean we cannot take pieces of the uh the law and put her and write it into our statutes, right?

Okay.

Okay, it sounds like we're all kind of on the same page there.

Sorry, Sherry, go.

Well, just to reiterate, um, is the first if somebody's illegal, first time caught is a ten thousand dollar fine.

I don't know if that's allowed, but um, and if they continue to operate, then it's a ten thousand dollar fine for violation.

Because I think what uh Dave had referenced as well.

I think a lot of the issues with the short-term rental is a lot of these operators, and I think Natalie even referred to it maybe last time, but they don't um they're operating illegally and they don't necessarily know the the rules and since they can't be enforced, but we could so that's the penalty illegal rentals with no license.

Can I move on the false complaints?

Yep, real quick, don't you cover that?

Yeah, okay, false complaints is the last thing.

Um so again, this morning, this meeting with the police department, we found out that there's people that um instead of actually being a anyway, there were just false complaints uh towards Airbnbs that weren't really it was just false complaints.

Um so just like there's penalties for bad operators, um on the other side that protect it, I feel like there should be um punishments for the false complaints.

So complaints must be real and verified, and I feel like if we're going to penalties for fake complaints, first offense is a warning, second offense is a $1,500 fine.

I think it should be like if people have legitimate complaints, I want them to know.

But if and I haven't experienced this, and Amy probably hasn't either, I don't know, but I've never had anyone have a false complaint towards me.

Um so I don't think that's a big issue, but if that happens to be a big issue and somebody's constantly harassing an operator, then there's a $1,500 fine, just like we would be charging a $1,500 fine.

And go ahead and we did.

We had one and it was pretty severe.

And we we were to the point where we were afraid that if we had to call 911 for an emergency, they would not be going to that address because there were so many false complaints against it.

Justlyn, do we have anything in our current?

I mean, where are we at there?

Yes, we do have something that says if um someone keeps come making false complaints or uns unsubstantiated complaints that we can issue a citation.

Um it can be up to a thousand dollars per day per violation.

Very good.

Okay.

Okay, um, okay, is that so then the bottom line is like if you follow the rules, you're approved.

If you don't, um you're gone.

Right.

Okay.

So um so the intention of this was to go through these this list of things and try to try to pick up on the consensus of the committee so that we can turn some of these items into action items, right?

And right, because we're trying to, you know, we we're trying to come up with a a uh a rec obviously a recommendation to the city council on what we uh would like to see different.

Okay, and so we're driving to that.

And and the first two meetings, the one we had last time, last week, and this one here, I think is mostly the sharing of ideas and the sharing of uh thoughts about about the uh the issue, the topic that we're on, okay.

And then we we need to turn that into I think action items that we can actually vote on as a committee to move forward to the council.

And so that's what we're driving at.

So really this is a big discussion, is what it is, right?

Okay.

Um if if it's all right with you, we'll take a uh we're gonna take a 30-minute no, sorry, we're gonna take a five-minute break, a five-minute break, and real quick, and we'll reconvene in five minutes here.

It's a little bathroom break.

Good, Natalie.

Sorry.

She's passing that off.

What happened?

Oh.

Are you crying?

Yeah.

Way to go.

Sorry about it.

I didn't mean you know, I honestly when you I thought she was a telling you.

I I'm not paying.

I nobody's pushing buttons.

But you said you didn't push a button.

So I think sorry.

This is a city council here working with you.

Sorry.

And then to go back to table.

Wait, am I?

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I actually thought she said that I didn't like that.

Oh, I know somebody's talking, they're looking out there.

Believe me, this is very uncomfortable to do it this way.

I would much rather be sitting at a table with a bunch of people.

I think we understand each other better on eye contact and I totally agree.

Natalie, this is a terrible way to do it.

By the way, uh Senator Stone put me on that committee.

Because remember how he didn't appoint anybody?

And then we ended up with a four-four vote and all that stuff.

So he I know I know how it and uh he said, Oh my god.

How did I miss that?

He said that so we talked about a little bit in.

So he called Adam and he stuck me on there.

So I'm gonna be there, and I'll help break ties.

Remember when the one thing came down to four to four forever, and then all the master line here.

You know, there's something I call the STP, it's the same 10 people.

In most communities, there's the same 10 people that are on all the nonprofits on all the you know that are taking keeping it.

You know, right now three committees of this every week is hard.

But now like I have stayed business I have, I have.

So I did not read for Medicare now.

Yeah, I dig not ignore you, but I just failed to follow a little piece of instruction you you thought would be good, which is to take the public comment first.

But but actually I'm not sorry about that.

But uh actually I'm not so sure it's not a good idea to have them hear what we think, and then let them respond to some of that.

I think it's okay.

So I'm but I I realized oh whoops, okay.

Uh microphones, I think we should not as a committee it's not all right.

Uh absolutely it's just and then we keep an eye on if there's ever a quorum, we split people up.

Uh yeah, yeah.

Talking into you know absolutely fine.

Right, but I don't really have that I think well, I mean so much more what?

Oh, well you're I've been on meetings last slide.

No, I think I mean if we're told the form like right now.

If I may I do I am a fan of all the back and forth going on, it's been great.

You're a fan of what the back and forth.

Well that's yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe talking, not talking to the public.

That's what's getting means like how many people actually sign the right now.

No, that's the thing is because we're no, but we're gonna what I mean is the conversation today is really good.

Yeah, I think we're fleshing out like a lot of things.

There's a few points that are very different.

It's okay, it's all good.

So yeah, all right, good.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Marco, I want to go to the bottom.

I was thinking, how did you get away with nothing open active?

Okay, thank you everybody for cooperating with that.

Um we'll reconvene our meeting now and and uh pick up where we left off.

Um let's see.

This this is there anything else about these topics that you'd like to bring up right now?

Because I'm gonna ask for public comment time now and and get everybody to be able to reply or respond to things we've talked about.

Anything else at the moment?

Okay.

All right.

I just have one one question.

So a lot of these, you know, were these ideas and stuff that we're coming up with, but this is along with AB, you know, 363, or then we said, oh, let's try to put it off.

That's one thing that was that we have to do site two, because if we put it off and don't adopt it, then with it's a whole different follow-up.

But I think right now we're going along with AB 36.

What is it?

363, right?

I think I think basically we're talking about components of 363 that could be useful to us, okay.

And and we can always pull that out of three.

We can do that now or tomorrow.

It doesn't matter.

I think that there are some components of 363 that make sense that uh are good for us.

Matter of fact, Becca and I had a conversation about this, uh, about trying to meld those two policies, if you will, and find some commonality and put them together as a draft that we could look at.

So, yes, absolutely, uh Natalie.

I think that's exactly what's going on.

All right, let's let's open up uh for public comment time, and there are representatives here from various factions.

By all means, step forward if you'd state your name for us, please.

And we're gonna uh have a little clock of three minutes, so obviously just to try to keep it under control, but thank you.

Go.

I'm Jay Gardner.

Um Jay of Jay and Amy's mesquite getaways.

I uh kind of wanted first of all address what uh David asked earlier as far as the complaints, and and it is true.

I can only really think of uh three complaints that were fairly major that we had in since 2018, and uh two of those are what we considered we should we should call the police for.

The owner didn't want us to on one of them, and the other one we did talk call the police.

Um and that's since 2018.

Now, other calls that we've had have just been uh guest concerns, guest help, uh things like that.

And uh it's it's been a fairly easy go real relative to the calls that we get, but um those complaints I talked about, you I feel like we had to we have to train the homeowners to call us sooner, uh because they just don't really call us quick enough.

I mean in some cases it's the day after this has been going on, and uh we we may drive by there and everything looks okay, but then you find out late at night that something's going on.

So anyway, uh another thing I wanted to address is uh definitely no warnings.

I I don't feel like there should be a warning for for anybody can tuck uh can that has uh short-term rental and that's taking care of it.

Um it's like it was said earlier.

Amy said it.

Uh we should know, and there should be no reason for warning us.

Um one other thing I wanted to address also is uh Amy had drawn up some stuff she wasn't able to present in total, but what she drew up definitely addresses uh the concerns of the homeowners that are around the short-term rental and uh how we want to make sure that they're good neighbors.

We had one HOA meeting where one of our clients uh actually got up and spoke in the meeting, and one of the things he said was if my home is not a good neighbor to everybody around me, I will shut it down.

And that that's uh that's what we're trying to enforce here.

Um anyway, one of the last things I wanted to address also is I do believe that uh city attorney should be here within these council meetings helping you all.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Jay.

Okay, other public comment.

Colleen, you wanna I'm calling you out.

Uh hi.

Okay.

Um just a couple things.

Colleen said your name for us, please.

Colleen Cleaton.

Yep.

Um just a couple things that I just heard, and I was just wanting to comment on um the software system that you were talking about.

When it goes through into um the websites and sees that there is um stays that are being done.

Do they take into account that's an owner staying there?

That's the owner's family staying there.

So when you're saying they're gonna make sure they're paying the taxes, how do we determine that portion of it?

And then um with the penalties, I you in our chapter 13, there's already ones in there about the investigation.

So you have your side, then the other person tells their side, and then you determine if there's a fine or whatnot.

But if there is a complaint about a dog barking, um the 24-hour line is the perfect line.

The property manager calls, calls them, get the dog inside, stop barking.

Hey, another one is like there's a light on in the shower and it's bothering me.

The neighbors telling you, you know, that's bothering me.

Okay, the property manager can call and say, Hey, can you turn that light off as bothering the neighbor?

The police don't need to be involved in things like that, but we can take care of the problems because the police are gonna go, eh, it's not really my thing.

We don't have to do that.

But we could take a care of a lot of things in that 24-hour line that we provide to the neighbors that we can take care of it within that hour.

So that's why I I do think most of our clientele love the phone.

Technology is a little harder for some, so that is helpful.

Um there was a warning.

Um, our people got one time where the garbage can was put out.

We thought the our stay people were trying to be good and put the garbage out, but it was a day early.

So we got a warning.

I don't think we should be charged $1,500 for a fine because they put the garbage out early, because there's a lot of homeowners that do the same thing and long-term renters that do the same thing.

So when we are talking about penalties and fines, I think they need to be emergency things and non-emergency.

I mean, there's there's different categories of all this, so I just think you should be aware of those things when you're making your decisions.

Thank you.

Colleen, wasn't it you that came up with the idea?

Sorry, just one minute.

Wasn't it you that came up with the idea of the card that would be or or the the information that would be given to neighbors within three wasn't that you that could you would you mind?

Thank you.

Would you comment to us about that?

Tell us about that.

We were just thinking the same thing you had on your paper.

It was like maybe a little postcard or something that had all the information and put it around its 300 feet.

If it's all the connecting neighbors, whatever that we decide on, but if it's a postcard, laminated postcard or something that people can put on the back of a cabinet or something.

So yes, then I'm gonna call this person when I have an issue.

We thought we could put some kind of rule in for that.

Okay, and that was your idea.

I thought it was a good one.

Okay.

I thought it was a very good one.

Uh you know, there's a number of things we learned as we communicate with people, and uh that was that was a real good one.

Yes, sir.

Uh David Gibink.

Uh so my mom lives on Quail Run.

You've heard this a few times, and uh she has met both of her neighbors, and the neighbors are amazing, they're super nice, but they've never told her, hey, here's a number, you know.

So she has no clue who to call.

Uh there's been two times that I've been there when the gate's been opened to walk right to the pool.

I shut it both times.

Uh I've taken their garbage down three times.

So, you know, you guys are great at what you do, but it's these other people, you know.

Remember the bad actors, they exist.

Yeah, and I think uh if she only had one on one side, it would be a lot easier.

I think separation is huge.

To me, that is gonna be my biggest concern.

That is when I talk to a lot of the people that are like I'm gonna say not HOA and just people hanging out, it's it's the separation because we're starting to see them clustered, and it's super annoying.

I mean, this morning I see mom, I go down there at 6 30 this morning, she pops out, she goes, Oh, they're here, you know, truck two trucks in the front, two in the two in the uh parking lot.

So tonight I'm gonna go down and see if they stayed out all night.

Because but then you said call you, but who do I call, right?

Call you.

I mean, what do we do?

You guys have it figured out because they they you got they you have your number, you have your number.

The other thing is on the A B uh the AB 363.

The little bit of research I've been doing, I think you're really wrong.

I don't think you're gonna have a choice.

They don't base it on what you're saying, and I think the legal is gonna hit hard on mesquite.

So I think when you said you need some legal guidance, maybe that's a good idea before you start saying we're not gonna do it and we're gonna go this route.

I think you're really wrong.

Okay.

I've been wrong before.

Anyone else?

Okay, seeing uh seeing none.

Yes, ma'am, please.

Because sorry, I got told the wrong time.

Um, so I've oh can I get your name?

Sorry.

I didn't hear anything could you state your name first?

Mary Williams.

Mary Williams, thank you.

Um, I'm just wondering about the spacing thing because I own a condo.

So all four of the condos in my building are short-term rentals.

So I'm just wondering how what you're thinking with the spacing with the fact that you couldn't do 600 feet apart in a situation like that, and we uh all have parking, cover parking and other spaces there that wouldn't affect anybody.

So is there a separation between condos and the homes that you're thinking of spacing?

You want to take that, Manassa?

Answer that for you.

Or not that would be considered a multifamily building, and it's limited to 10% of the units.

This the spacing doesn't apply.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Very good.

Okay.

Anyone else?

Yes, sir.

Just one thing.

I I noted just Jay Gardner again.

I noted on the uh presentation that Sherry had.

Sure thing.

Oh, apparently they can't hear you back there.

Yes, yeah.

I noted on the presentation that Sherry had, uh, that there was a ten thousand dollar fine for violators who don't have uh uh licenses.

And uh subsequent violations would would receive the same uh fine.

And me, I would like to recommend that we might uh start looking at legal action against those folks rather than just giving them a fine, a fine, a fine.

Uh and just say, hey, listen.

I I you know jail time's fine with me, but uh whatever.

I I think ten thousand dollars each time is is not sufficient.

Thank you, Jay.

I think we're all where I think I think well, is there anybody that has a different view of that?

Because I think we're all pretty much on the online with the idea that if somebody's violating the law and isn't licensed and is not paying the taxes on and on and on, it should hurt.

And I think we're all uh I think that's a common ground for everybody on this issue, and I appreciate that comment, Jay.

Thank you.

Is that it?

Any other public comment?

Okay, uh seeing none, then we'll move to a uh we'll go to uh item four or uh agenda item four committee comments and reports.

We've done a whole lot of that already, but would anybody else committee comments and reports?

I oh sorry, let's I'm I apologize.

I'll I'll Vanessa go.

I'm sorry.

Well, I was just going to address uh Colleen had a question about the software and how that would work if like the family was staying there.

So if you book it through the through one of the hosting platforms and they charge that person if it's their family member and they charge them, then that's still as far as I know, subject to that 12%.

So it would get reported to the city of Mesquite.

However, if they just take down their availability for that week because it's just for their family, then I don't think there would be anything to report because there was no exchange of money for staying there.

So I think I I'm sure, but we can look into that further, but I don't think there would be any concern if they're staying there and not paying anything.

Dave, anything good?

Okay, Sherry?

Anything?

I'm I'm good.

You're good.

I just had one other um suggestion by one of our citizens, whatever.

They just um in this ABR or ABR, the AB 363, it just says on notices to be posted.

So I guess it says um each vacation home rental must have um a clearly clearly visible and legal notice posted within the unit on or adjacent to the front door containing the following information.

Um the number of occupants permitted in the unit, the number maximum of vehicles allowed to be parked on the property, and the number and location of site parking spaces so they know if they're in condos or something.

But the the suggestion was is that it'd be nice if it was posted outside or something too, so the neighbors could see.

Oh, they're only supposed to have four people here and they're having a party of 20, you know, or something, or there's 60 cars here.

You know, that was just a suggestion that's in that 363.

Very good.

Very good.

Okay, uh, and Amy.

Can I use a projector real quick?

Uh why don't you give that?

Can you can one of you put that on there for her?

Or do you want to go?

It's up to you.

Um I don't think we have Frank anymore.

We don't have what?

Let me see if Frank is available to Frank.

What would we ever do without Frank?

Oh, do you do you want to go?

Okay, well, he's already he's already gone.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Um, for next meeting or at some point, I think we should line by line, go through chapter 13 and see what works, see what doesn't in your packet.

I have some highlighted things that I I think we struggle with.

Oh I just I and I've made if we could take a look of what I've done before we meet next.

I just think um there's some holes in it or some things that I can see as a as an owner and as a uh co-host that are not working.

Um, but I was just to ask the committee to look at that and maybe we'd have a chance to go through it line by line and see you know, a lot of what we do already encompasses 363.

So, and then the other thing is um we already have um legitimate rule condensation for the for the um guests, and we also have a letter that we give to everyone.

So for Cambria, we hit about eight homes personally with the letter, and then we're setting, we're sending a letter to every um homeowner in Cambria this.

So if we missed them, they have it.

Um, and it it tells what properties we have.

So I just I hope you will read especially through um the full thing of 13 because it's it's uh it's there.

Yep.

So you're sharing what works for you, what works, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Um I okay.

Do you have something you want to I have a few things when you're done?

All right.

So um my comment it go ahead.

I just you can I just one more, I think um, I know we all have these, but we have things that we need to present to if we can get them before the meeting so the rest of us can look over them because I know we're all try to catch up with everybody and I then I had stuff too.

I was like, but yeah, so uh procedurally, if somebody has something once they want to share with everyone else that's that's hopefully not in violation.

I mean, how how do we send that to who do how walk us through it?

Send it to me first.

All right, so we send it to you, and then you can distribute it to the committee members, correct?

All right, and if for for any like as an example, the material that she's this all this we're talking about here, you could have send it to her.

She could have sent it all to us.

Sorry, hurry up.

And that gives us an opportunity to look at it and review it before we get here, and it might make it a little easier.

So okay.

So that's a good procedural thing.

All right.

Now, my only public comment is uh outline for us for me for us.

Now, my only public comment is uh outline for us for me for us uh the action.

How do we how how do you want us to present action items to move forward?

We need to bring this to a head here.

We we've spent two meetings having, I think, great conversation about all of this.

And I think we have a pretty good understanding of the issues and what's going on.

We have different viewpoints about what should be done about it, clearly.

And how do we present those in terms of action items for this committee to happen?

Go.

I would defer that to Marco.

Oh, Marco.

Oh, Marco's gonna um yeah.

So any item we you as chair, you can start giving it to myself or Jess, and we can start preparing for the agenda.

Uh, which heads up, it has to be posted by end of day today.

Um, so any items.

I mean, we can also you guys can also discuss among yourselves right now to see what what items you want to add to that agenda, or you as chair can take uh or remove items uh as we go along as well.

So if I, as an example right now said um or would it be appropriate right now for the committee members to give you agenda items to have as action items?

Yes, now and if we did that, could they be on the when when could they be uh what agenda would they be on?

It would be on next week's agenda.

Yes, next week's well.

I really like that because I think that that moves us along a lot quicker.

How do you guys feel?

Can we try to do that?

So I'll let me start.

I I I would like to uh have an agenda item that focuses specifically on our on our uh establishment of the of a uh or or or accepting the recommendation, if you will, that Simon made that we are a city of 25,000 people or more.

I don't know how you want to make the I don't want how you word that are you good at like wordsmith and that somehow we'll make it work.

I'm gonna okay, make it work for me.

But what I'm wanting to do is I would like this committee to vote on whether to uh accept the recommendation that we are a city of 25,000 or more.

And it, you know, as you know, you know where I stand on that, but and we've all had comment about that.

But I really like us all to give a lot of thought to that.

Doesn't that step way out of our bounds of what we're here to do?

We are not here to decide the size of the city, we're here to decide if we are 25,000, what rules are gonna be in place.

Well, in order to do that, how do we how do we unless we okay?

Go Becca, do you have something?

I would I would say that we can connect with the city attorney.

We're gonna try and get him here next next week.

I don't know what is getting led, but I can say I don't hear the microphone.

So we're gonna try and get the city attorney here next week, but I think it's important for him.

Like we'll ask him the question, what does the state statute says?

What what defines us and how do we move forward with it?

Because whether it's in four years or not, we're gonna have to progress with that statute and how we're gonna do that.

But I think it's important to have legal come in and and help with that and guide you and and the city with with that question.

Okay, that sounds really good to me.

Now, is that some kind of an agenda item?

No, just advice.

I think I mean we can encompass in the discussion, the item of the discussion.

Well, we can also add a presentation for from city attorney.

Yeah.

So see, and I understand what you're saying, Dave.

It's not really not our business to do it, but but it applies.

It certainly has something to say about it because if we if it because adopting six 363 is only required of us if we are.

So I and I I absolutely agree, and but I think we're not here to determine the size of the city, we're here to determine rules and regulations for short-term rentals, and I think we're here to do that, whether the city is 25,000, 50,000, or 10,000.

Um, is my understanding of what this committee is for, is we are here to make some recommendations to the city council, how to move forward with rules, regulations, and the application process for short-term rentals.

Honestly, no matter what the size of the city is, um, is how I've interpreted our so I so I agree with you.

Yeah, now having said that, just uh if we are a city of 25,000, we are required according to Simon to adopt that.

So that's why I'm but it but again, it's not on us to adopt it's our it's our job to recommend it.

Of course it is to the city.

And so any time I talk about like adopting, I'm talking about recommending that to our city council.

So I think we need to base our recommendation on 363.

Um, but realize that we're not the determining factor as to the size of the city.

I think you could just direct staff to get an answer from the legal and we can bring it back to you and encompass it in our discussion.

This is a pretty significant issue.

Right.

Because it it it uh it drives where we're going here, I think in some ways.

Okay.

Now I do agree with you that hey, we're here to I understand that, but it certainly big makes it's a big difference if we're gonna adopt 360 or recommend that we adopt 363.

It certainly is a big difference for sure.

And I think we need to make our recommendations based on 363, because then we're just gonna be if we don't base it on 363 and we're not 25,000, we're gonna be here next year.

And I don't want to be here next year.

Okay, okay.

Well, I like being with you, so I I'd like hanging around with you guys.

Yes, ma'am.

Uh, I do have a question maybe for Jesslin.

Is um and I agree with everything Dave said, then I also agree with everything that Rick said, and I do think it does apply whether it's you know in a year or whether it's in four years, but are we able to uh give a recommendation whether they should um apply the 363 based on the US census versus other censuses?

I think that's a question for legal, and we can get that answer for you.

Yeah, I I agree with you, and actually that would be the focus of the conversation about to to prep him for this to come here and advise us about that is what is what would be the best source to rely upon for a way to go, Karen.

Now, if you were sitting up here, that's if so you understand what I'm gonna where I'm going here.

I think that maybe the question is what is the source that we use to determine to determine that?

And again, it's not our job to, but but it certainly would allow us well, it would certainly define that a little bit.

I mean, if he let's assume for a minute, Adam came in here and said, listen, the best thing that you could do as a defensible matter is to is to use the US census, which is not gonna define our city as 25,000 or more until for another five years.

If he said that to us and we accepted that, then it's gonna change a lot of what we do right here because we're gonna be focused on adopting an ordinance that that basically strengthens what we have now and not be hung up on the rules of 363.

Okay.

But I but I think even if he comes in and says we're not gonna be 25,000 for four years, I still think 363 has to be our kind of our our guideline, no matter what, because we're gonna get there someday.

Because we're gonna get there someday.

So I mean I really think the 25,000, we have to be it it's part of a bigger picture.

I understand.

Um and so no, I think 363 is gonna play into our discussion what no matter what the size of the population is.

Couldn't agree more.

I I totally agree.

And again, one of the things we have the right the ability to do is pull language from 363, but we're not forced to adopt the entire thing if we're not a city of 25,000 or more.

So and so that's a does everybody kind of you understand you understand the issue here and Becca, you you understand what we're looking for for some kind of guidance from our attorney.

Okay, very good.

All right, so agenda items.

Go okay.

Did you wanna did you want to talk about it?

Yes, I have a couple things just real quick.

Go.

Um, first I want to address some of your comments at the very beginning.

You guys spoke about needing a legal person here and then also a planner.

Any questions that you have for legal if they're not able to, if he's not able to attend, you can get those to me and I can forward them to him and we can bring them back for the next committee meeting.

Also, um, you all know I'm your licensed clerk, but I am also the assistant planner for the city.

So I am here.

If I don't know the answer, I will get it from Simon before the next meeting.

So I'm here, use me.

Um housekeeping items for next week.

We do have a presentation from staff on application processes, enforcement, and violations.

Do you guys want to have anything else to add to the agenda next week?

You mean for presentations?

Anything or so, okay.

So is it so you're asking, is there any information any more information we'd like to have?

We have to post it tonight.

So I think okay, I understand.

So go.

Yes, ma'am.

Well, this might be redundant, but I would like to be able to have, and this is redundant, but I would like to be able to have um an idea whether we are gonna be referencing the US census or something else.

We will get that for you.

We'll have that by next week.

I can't guarantee Adam's gonna have it by next week, but we're gonna request it.

Some sort of answer.

Okay, and then and this is also my naive naivety, but uh are we able to because two things that David talked about that I feel like is very important is the approval process, streamlining that and having it very transparent and then the enforcement process having that very transparent.

Is that something instead of drawing it out for a long, long time?

Can we just have when when is a chronological order to where we have it and we could just say approve or deny based on four votes?

Yeah, our process is pretty simple right now, and I'll explain all that next week to you guys during my presentation, and they are code enforcement officer is gonna come and talk about enforcement and violations as well.

So we'll lay that all out for you guys.

It's pretty simple.

Of the course of the current approval process of the current of the short-term rentals.

Correct.

So are we having to create so we have the option to be like that's good enough, or we can add to it.

So you want us to listen to that first, and then we can put together something we like, either the same thing or something additional.

I think it would be helpful to have the information on what is currently in place before you add or subtract, but that's up to you guys.

Right.

And then when does it how does it happen where we decide if we do want to add stuff or keep it the same?

When do we vote on it?

You would do that during the discussion and possible action of the current three point whatever today.

Of next week.

Of next week, we would do that.

And during that same, we have the same agenda item on every item on every agenda, um, which is the discussion, and you could add or subtract there.

And we can vote whether it's in whether it's gonna be recommended to the council.

Yes, okay.

I believe the goal is to draft a whole document and then say this is what we want to recommend to council, vote on that.

Simon will take it, review it, and then take it to council.

Okay.

Can I can I suggest one more question we ask?

Um the attorney.

Is there let's say we go by the uh US census?

We're at 25,000, we adopt 363.

Is there anything in the process that we could appeal that um bill so that we could stretch the lines so that it not the spacing, but the lines that are affecting Kitty Hawk and the springs?

Because from what it looked like to me on the springs, the springs condo community was split in half.

So I just wondered if if that's a question we could ask him, if there's any kind of appeal process to them to see, yeah.

Well, I think that's another good reason is like and with my research, other areas, it's default to the US census.

So it's actually an exception and not common to default to anything other than the US sentence.

So that's like the gold standard, whenever they decide what a population is in the situation.

So I think figuring out nuances like that is why it would allow us to have more years to figure out to iron all these things out.

And I'd also like to um have a discussion on a cap or a you know limitation on how many you know um permits are put out or put a cap on it or something like that.

And and then Simon was gonna send us out a copy of the slide that he had from last time.

And yes, I will do that.

He was sick this week.

How will you know that's you?

I'm sorry, I missed that.

What was what was that?

He was gonna send us a slide from last the slide with all the information, the map and everything.

Oh, oh, oh, very good.

Yes.

So a minute ago I sort of suggested an agenda item that we could vote on, and it kind of got blown up.

Okay.

So uh are there things like that that the committee members might have to put on the agenda that we could vote on that we might vote on, Vanessa?

Yeah, I'd like to discuss the um prop tech, so the property technology have that on the agenda for discussion.

So it's a discussion.

Is there an action item associated with it?

Um yeah, we could go we can vote on it.

So what would that be?

What would that be?

Deciding which um software we would like to recommend to the city.

Yeah, I think it's what we because I don't know what if we really want to vote on things right now because we're just still discussing.

I think we need to put together the list of you know, vote on the list of recommendations so that we see we could add it to the list of recommend vote to add it to a list of recommendations because all we're doing is sending recommendations, so I think we need to So you're you're saying we you want we want to compile all of the recommendations and have one vote?

Is that what you're saying?

I I think that'd be easier.

I yeah, I think it would be easier to the the okay.

So let me just suggest the problem the the problem I I see with that is that we may not agree on the recommendations.

Don't we need to vote on the recommendations so that we have a consensus of a of where we're going here?

If we if we're if you know when when do we say that recommendation ought to be in there?

Well, that's why I say like we have a few more meetings, and then we'll we'll gather all the recommendations and then say, okay, this is the one that we're gonna we'll go, okay.

We have two or three options here.

Let's vote on this one.

This is the one that's gonna go to the to the city, because we'll have you know each item is gonna have like we might have different opinions, and then we can say, okay, here the here's all these that we've come up with, these are the best solutions.

Which ones let's vote on the ones that are going to go to the committee.

Agreed.

So a minute ago we were saying, do we are we gonna put a list together and vote on one thing, or are we gonna take them on individually so we know what the list is?

I think we should just have the list and then toward the end, say, okay, let's get this recommendation ready.

That's my thinking.

Okay.

Who go.

I'm and I might totally be misinterpreting the the conversation back and forth.

Like say an example.

Yeah, probably.

But let's say an example with Vanessa's idea with the the tech.

What I'm thinking is we all say either yes, no, yes, no.

And then if it's four people say yes, then we put it on the list.

If there's not, then we don't.

But not to have a list of all these things we vote whether we encompass all of them.

We do one at a time individually.

I agree because like with the tech, we don't even know if we have the financial resources to do it.

And it would just be a recommendation.

Council does not have to take it.

Okay.

And I would say that should be part of your research when you're looking at it to see how much money you will actually generate in taxes.

And you can use some of that money.

I mean, there's several several ways to look at it, but I would definitely take that into consideration over the next week when you do your research to taking one item at a time and yeah, I like that idea.

I think we could do one item at a time.

But I still think maybe we should have a comprehensive list at the very end and make our final because there might be something that comes up later that we discuss that overrides what we discussed earlier.

So we need to have that comprehensive list to look at at the end.

Totally agree.

Be but to yes, agreed that there ought to be a final list that we say good, send this up, and then we can disband the committee, right?

Because we're done.

Yes.

But to get there, I still feel like we need to have a consensus on what those items need to be.

And in order for that to happen, we have to have some kind of a voting system.

You're saying, hey, are you good here?

Are you good here?

It seems like that is a voting system, but it ought to be formal.

Is that do you think you can do that?

You can make a motion to discuss the different property texts and make a recommendation as whether or not you would want to refer that to counselor.

And we can vote on that as a group.

So okay.

So then that's what we go ahead.

And if I may, I would actually advise you guys keep it separate.

For example, um, the way Commissioner Gabink suggested, you can have an action item saying discussion and possible action of using property technology software, and then at that point it wasn't discussed.

One of you can make a motion to approve a specific one.

Uh uh um, or one of you can make a motion to not even recommend it.

So you're you're you're okay.

So the agenda items or action agenda discussion and action items are uh are are loose enough that we can take a direction either way we want.

Okay, that's uh you're so smart.

Okay, so that's brilliant, and we should do that.

Right, and then if anything comes out during those discussions that are not part of the agenda, we can always add it to the next one.

Okay, excellent.

Now, and and remember, we originally set uh this committee to meet four times.

We may have to have more.

Is if if we do, because we're running out of you know, being able to notice it ahead of time and all that.

Um okay, we may have to have more than four meetings.

So it's we have to kill it 90 days or something.

Yeah, well, and and we're up against you know, we're up against a hard deadline here because we've got to get this in front of the council before uh June before okay, June 7th.

That's a target date for sure.

Oh, so way before that we ought to be able to wrap this up.

So with with what Marco just said now, what do you want on there?

What so Vanessa, good job of putting one on there?

You got another one?

Let's see if I can get this right.

I'd like to make a motion before say it again.

Oh, yeah, okay.

The agenda already.

You don't have to make a motion at this point.

Okay, we're yeah, didn't didn't we put some things on the agenda already for next week?

Specifically, presentation.

Right.

So far, we have the presentation, and I believe last time we said we wanted to discuss fines, right?

Um part of the violation and enforcement.

Part of the violation, perfect.

And then so far today, I think Commissioner Hafen mentioned putting a cap on STRs to discuss that, correct?

And then we have the property technology item.

So that's what we have so far.

What else?

I have a question, Jesselyn.

Will that um presentation also cover what they are looking for and in an inspection of the okay?

Yes, I have that list ready for you guys.

Okay.

Dave.

Um, I'd really like to have the application process and enforcement an actionable item next week to really like if we're gonna get this done and get it done quickly.

So I'd really like that to be a part.

I know it's we we're having a presentation, we've got some great material that have been put together.

Um, but if we can like have those two bullet points, because I think those are our two biggest pressing points of the whole thing.

I can see that.

I think we have a domino effect here where your application process, if we have to adopt AB363, is gonna be impacted by that.

So we can't really take action on how we're gonna do the application process until we know what the hard direction is on AP363, and if you guys are implementing that, whether or not you have to.

So it's gonna create a domino effect there.

But we're gonna have the presentation first, right?

So you're gonna have the presentation on what our current rules and enforcements are.

Oh, okay.

Is it okay if that all these items these um that we're going to discuss if we can put um to have it, you know, a possible vote or whatever with each one?

Uh absolutely.

And if you're not ready, someone can also make a motion to postpone that item.

Right.

So I think if we all these items we put to vote, if we decide we want to vote on it, we can get it done.

Okay.

Okay.

Good, Marco.

Okay.

Uh Dave, are you good?

Okay.

So I want to second what Dave said.

If there's any way um possible, if we could after we see the presentation, um at least maybe have the enforcement rules to where we can vote on it just to get that out because the approval and the enforcement are the two things.

I everything Dave said that I'm wanting to get out of the way is so to the extent that we can.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, we can do that.

I'd like to suggest possibly too, if we could have somebody, I mean I think Natalie Hafen actually is on the committee for the master plan, but if um we can get some insight from the committee members that are on the master plan and ensure that the decisions we make support their vision and plan for um vision 2045, because I I do think our responsibility here is to be proactive.

We have we have to, yeah, AB 363 might not be required by the end of this year, but it is going to be required.

And I I agree with Dave.

If we're not discussing that and taking those into consideration, we're gonna be back here in a year.

So at some point, it's kind of like you just have to accept that this is going to take place and going to happen.

And I think it would be a lot more um efficient for all of us to be focusing on on some clearer direction.

So I guess the math, like just back to my point is the future of Mesquite Vision 2045.

Like, how can we make sure as an STR committee that we are supporting that the vision and mission of um the city of Mesquite?

I can request Simon to come for that.

Do you guys want these all next week?

We have a narrow into take a couple and vote on them.

I think we should do it all next week.

All of it, yeah.

Okay, we have until June.

So you guys can spread this out if you want to digest it in smaller.

We gotta write this out.

You're suggesting that we divide it up a little bit.

A lot of information to take in, but if you guys feel up to the task, we are ready.

We're here to help.

Okay.

I think we need to narrow it down, get specific on the details, vote on, have an action vote because we're scattered.

Our ideas are kind of scattered all over the board, and I'm not sure we'll get a good product if we don't narrow it down.

Well, if we don't, if you feel scattered, we can always postpone it.

That can be an option.

Right.

How many items do we have?

Um, two, three, four, five, six total, right?

Six total.

So plus the regular discussion.

Right.

So which I think we can take that off because we'll be too general.

I think it's best we stay specific.

So I think we'll have the presentation for enforcement of violation, and I think we'll keep that its own separate thing, and then we'll have a discussion and possible action on that presentation.

Um, and then we have the cap on STRs, the property technology, and possible presentation from the master plan committee.

And whether we have to adopt 363 based on our what's our population.

Okay, yeah, so we'll put that um as well.

So what do you think?

Okay, so do you guys think it's too many?

It's up to you guys.

I mean, just your enforcement procedures.

That's gonna take a while to figure out how to enforce.

So I don't know how we could vote on it in one meeting.

You can always discuss it and postpone it.

Right.

My my recommendation is to put it on now because it'll be easier to take items off the agenda.

Yeah, because then we won't be able to put them back on and we decide.

So we would like you to create an agenda with everything on it, and then we'll talk to you about what the pull off if we'd like to.

How's that?

Sounds great.

Marco, we're on it.

Okay.

It's like a Christmas list.

Got anything else?

If you'd like, I can do the presentation on the um research that I do for the for the software.

I don't know, uh or I can just provide a handout for everybody.

But if you want something um up on the board, and you know, I'll cite my work and and make sure I reference where where this information is coming from.

But that's an option if anybody's interested.

No, I absolutely and just kind of touch it upon it earlier with the way we do handouts here.

Um any handouts that we did today.

Um, if you could please send them over to Jess or myself so we can publish them with the meetings um so they're given out to the public.

And would anything you're planning to hand out in the future?

Send them to guess as well because not always not only will we have them ready for you, we'll have them out to the public so they have a chance to review those as well.

So, Vanessa, can you provide some documentation about it to them that we can all look at ahead of time?

Yeah, when would you like that by?

So, with uh documentation and backups, we can actually put them up even a day or the day of the meeting.

So you have plenty of time then.

We just have to have the agenda item on uh before today, before the end of the day today.

Good not today.

Well no, no, sorry, next week.

Next week is fine.

You can have us to be before the meeting next week.

Yes.

Good, Vanessa?

Excellent, good Dave?

Marco, do you need a motion and company compassing all that?

Okay.

Okay.

Good.

Okay, thank you very much.

Our last opportunity for public comment time.

Uh, this is an opportunity for anybody to step up and talk to us about anything you want.

Colleen.

Um, I want to just give some facts.

I know you said you like the facts.

And so I don't know if you others have known.

Um we say in the last five years, Premier has had approximately between 90 and 110 homes in the short-term rental program.

They fluctuate between that.

Right now we're at 94.

So when you're saying putting a cap on things, I don't know about how you put that cap on.

How do you say you're in a lottery and you get it and you get it, but you don't get it.

And it's a hard thing to decide.

And so organically, this is just kind of people sell their house, they got someone else to move in, or say it's an investment home already.

Then someone else, they leave, someone else comes in, and that's just stays in that rental program.

So that's not counted as one, or how you determine a cap.

Right now in 2025, there's 35 licenses given out total of the whole year.

Um the other thing was the bill, the AB 363.

According to our lobbyist Warren Hardy, we can, they can, whoever they are, you can do an amendment to the bill if it is changing the population, if it's changing the the distance, if it's changing things.

So there is that ability you can do for that bill.

The other thing is the homeowners that we deal with only.

On average, they don't make a whole lot of money on them.

We have a season, and the season is in the winter time.

And so we are, and I forgot the number, if you remind me, occupancy is 30 30%.

Most of these are people that want to use the home when they're on vacation, they want to share it with their neighbors, their their family members or friends.

It's not a money maker like a lot of people think, and maybe some people are different, but just from our hundred about we have you you would make maybe about 9,000 to 12,000 in a year, and then you still have to pay your property taxes.

You gotta pay our fee of 22%, you gotta pay your utilities, you gotta pay your insurance, you gotta pay all.

So then the net is a lot lower.

So I just wanted that to be a fact that that's you don't make a whole lot of money doing these short-term renters.

That's why we don't have a ton of them, I think.

Are you done?

So there's competing interest here, and if you don't mind, I just re you can reply to this, but there's a competing interest in people who are wanting to cap it or restrict it, however, you want to define that.

Okay.

And then the other side of that is to just allow uh short-term rentals to grow organically as the city grows.

Fair enough.

Okay.

And you're on the side of just our experience.

It just hasn't been that many.

It's fluctuates because a lot of these places are sold furnished already.

So then that would be the same one that's already in the pool, but it's just new owner.

So yeah.

I don't know how many I have to refer to you about how many new licenses in the last five years were we at 100 before, and now we're at a two twenty-seven.

I don't know.

Yeah, I'd have to pull those reports.

Is there a chart you could show us of some kind of do you have a do you have enough data, historical data that shows or how far?

I'd have to pull it.

It's gonna take me more than a week to get that done.

But I can pull it for a couple meetings from now to bring.

Lean in and say it again.

It will take me a couple weeks to get that information compiled for you guys.

Yeah.

Uh do you understand what I'm asking?

Yes.

It'd be nice to see some historical to see what what is going on here.

That would be kind of a nice visual for me.

I'm a visual person, so it's helpful to me.

On what?

Uh the how many how many short-term rentals were licensed uh five years ago and then four years and three and two, you know, give us a little bar chart of what that looks like.

Is that possible?

So Colleen, yeah.

Um add some to something in agreement with what Colleen is saying.

I don't know if this is correct for you guys.

Um, but I would say, well, especially right after COVID, but before that, our occupancy rates were quite high.

And I think it was correct me if I'm wrong, there were a lot less short-term rentals.

Um, I would say back in 2018, we've grown quite a bit since then, right?

Yes, we have grown.

So what I'm finding is that um as the occupancy goes down, there's only so many people that want to come to Mesquite to spend their vacation or some, you know.

And so we are seeing that occupancy drop.

And I think what is the word it will actually just naturally drop off because people are not making money.

Okay, thank you, Colleen.

I didn't mean to hold you up here, but any other public comment.

Okay.

Uh well, I think the discussion's helpful, you guys.

I really, you know, I'm I learn a lot of stuff every time we meet, and I appreciate that.

And I certainly appreciate again the decorum of our of our members uh that are here that might have a view have opposing viewpoints.

I think we're working the best we can to find a sweet spot, something that we can all agree on.

And uh I feel like we're getting closer to some of that, you know, and I appreciate it uh very much how everybody responds and does this.

We're we're not being emotional and we're not being uh uh loud.

What we're doing is we're being business like, and I appreciate that very much from all of you.

Okay, with that.

Uh unless there's an objection, we'll adjourn the meeting.

Okay, meeting adjourned.

Thank you very much, everybody.