Milwaukee Licenses Committee Meeting Summary - July 21, 2026
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Good morning, everybody.
Thank you.
Um, I will call the order of the licenses committee regular meeting on Tuesday, July 21st, 2026 at 9 03 a.m.
I'm Alder Person Joe Casta Samaripa.
I'm chairperson of the committee, and I'm joined in the following order to my right by our vice chair, Alderwoman Andrea Pratt.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson will be joining us very shortly.
To my left, uh Alderman Peter Bergelis is here with us, as well as Alderman Alex Brower.
Um, of course, want to welcome our staff assistant, Yadira Melendez as well.
Good morning, as well as Miss Fabiola Lopez, our licensed division assistant manager.
Good morning from the city attorney's office, uh Attorney Travis Gresham, and from the Milwaukee Police Department, Sergeant Corneto is here with us.
Good morning.
Um the first item on the agenda is file number 260462, a motion relating to the recommendations of the licenses committee relating to licenses, and the first application at 9 a.m.
is Bini N Cocar, Class D operator's license renewal application.
Is Beni N Cocar present either in person or virtually N Cocar?
All right.
Second move move.
Deny.
Okay.
You want to grab your microphone, Alderman Bergellis?
You want to hear that lovely.
All right.
Um Alderman Peter Bergellis has moved for denial based on second time non-appearance.
Any discussion to that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none, so ordered.
All right, we will move on to our next 9 a.m.
agenda item.
Jose Luis Ibarra Flores, agent for Gamaleon Bar Services, LLC, Class B Tyrant and Public Entertainment Premises Licenses Application requesting jukebox for Cameleon Bar at 2900 South 13th Street.
Good morning.
Yes.
Okay, so this individual is going to help the applicant with uh interpretation.
Thank you.
Gracias.
Um if you'll both is if everybody will raise their right hand that needs to get sworn in.
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm okay.
If not, I did send for a translator if you want to.
Okay.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
All right.
Um, so you are Mr.
Ibarra Flores, correct?
Okay.
Are you?
You might want to help him with this.
Can you translate this for him?
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Um license.
Okay.
Is that good?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
All right, gracias.
All right.
Um, will you please state your name and address for the record?
Um my name is Jose Luis Ibarra Flores.
My address is 8721 West Douglas Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
Um, all right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy.
Thank you.
Oh, I'm sorry.
What was that again, Ms.
Lopez?
Hold for occupancy.
Thank you.
Senora, I'm sorry, can you state your name and address for the record too?
Juan C.
Saufela, 8721, West Douglas Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53225.
Thank you.
All right.
And Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
Okay, I see it's a new application.
Will you tell us a little bit about your experience and your plan for the business?
See, uh I'm working in the restaurants or in the bars for 20 years.
Um bartender, professional bartender.
I'm making a lot of drinks, fancy drinks, regular drinks, everything.
And I'm leaving Ida Falls for 20 years.
But I moved here seven years ago.
I love Milwaukee.
It's my is the best city right now.
It's everything here.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm living 20 years in Idaho Falls.
It's beautiful.
Very small town.
It's more town.
Only potatoes and cows.
Okay.
But it's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
Yeah, but Milwaukee is the best.
You have everything here.
I love Milwaukee right now.
And my concept for my business is a is a bar.
Very nice, very good bar, you know, for good people coming and taking one drink, talking, come friendly, family, family friendly uh bar.
You know, come a lot of friends and talking, like music music, you know, no, no loud, good music.
Uh I like more um, you know, 80s, 90s, and uh people they uh uh is is bienvenidos.
Uh uh, you know, 21 guys, all are like more the 30s, 40s, you know, more good people that the coming relax and fun fun okay fun part in the in the bar, and uh the I I want some different days, you know, the ladies' night, construction day for coming a guys for drinking a beer to finish the you know, lines keeping or construction, something, or sometimes 90s music for for the people one day, different days.
Okay, and I it's a lot of projects where I'm nervous, I'm not remember.
That's good.
Thank you.
All right, let me see if people have questions.
Do the uh do any committee members have any questions for the applicant?
Does the alder woman's office Alderman Dmitrievich's office have any questions for the applicant?
No, no questions.
We've uh we've discussed with them extensively their application.
Thank you.
Okay, very good, thank you.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Game Leon, verdad?
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the 14th Aldermanic district.
Terry Williams from Alderwoman Dimitrievich's office.
Yeah, hi.
We appreciated the opportunity to discuss the application with the applicant.
This was uh um, I think it was Nick's Anvil Inn, which is like a long time, very quiet bar.
Um there are some residences nearby, so we took care to make sure to adjust the uh entertainment license and also the hours to kind of fit with the space.
I think his concept is uh is promising, so we we uh have no objections and we wish them the best.
Very good, thank you.
All right, with that, does the committee have a motion?
Approval.
Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none, so ordered.
All right, it has passed.
Yes, yes.
All right, we'll move on now to our 905 a.m.
agenda item.
Oops.
Good morning.
All right, and yes, I think Terry Williams, you're gonna stay on for this one as well.
Yes.
Thank you.
I'm here.
Okay, great.
Okay, will you two raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you songly from the independent penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about to give is it true, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Okay.
And you are Emanuel, about that?
Yes.
Okay, thank you.
Okay.
Will you each state your name and address for the record?
Yes.
My name is Immanuel Flores.
My address is 2207 West Sombre Court, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53215.
Thank you.
My name is Carla Flores, and my address is 2207 West Sunbury Cold, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53215.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez.
Are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
No, no police reports.
Okay, thank you.
Um, yes, I believe this was scheduled for an objection.
Um, so didn't one uh Terry, do you want to jump in here?
I will need a refresher.
This is a district eight application.
That's are they operate?
Yeah, are they operating in our district?
That's correct.
Got it.
Hang on one moment.
Oh that was why it got scheduled.
We have objections in here.
I see emails from Marina or from the office anyway.
Yes, this is one I believe.
Um hang on a second.
It looks like actually the health department might have more on this objection.
But um they this is one that parks across the street from Zellman Park.
And I believe that we got an objection relating to all of the food trucks there and the noise, and Street Munchies was one of those.
So we were um interested to see what measures were being taken to reduce the noise and also the bright lights at that location.
Yeah, and and I don't think for the record, I do not believe health department has an objection.
It looks like it was parking enforcement.
Yes, they you got um you guys park on Kanikinik, correct?
Um and so yes, there are complaints, I believe, from constituents going into Alderwoman Dmitrievich's office um around parking there all day.
Is that correct, Terry?
Yes, that was the objection that we received.
That the truck was not moving and that it was supposed to be on the street and the trucks are supposed to move throughout the day.
Okay.
All right.
And uh it looks like you you guys have received citations around the parking violations?
No, no.
I see from parking enforcement we have issued eight time zone citations on Kinectonneck between June 1st and today.
You never received a citation for parking?
No, the way that that's phrased, it could be any number of trucks, but I know there's multiple trucks that park there.
A lot of cars parked there, so it's not necessarily be us.
I'll read all the emails, the people saying, and I don't understand, but they think we don't move, but we move less than two hours.
So I understand why they think, but it's not the right because if we was like a dim thing, we got a lot of citation or jump the car or the trucks or whatever.
Uh towings, you know, then it's not right.
Okay.
Let me just see.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
Street munchies, food truck.
Okay.
So let the ref record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify, but there are objections in the file.
Um you have not received any citations for parking over the two-hour limit, but you're aware that there have been some complaints, but you feel you're move you are moving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You said you are moving.
Okay.
Um, all right.
Just want to give it back to Alderwoman Dmitrievich's office.
Terry, do you want to weigh in here?
It looks like this truck in particular did not uh apparently didn't receive any of the citations.
Maybe they went to another truck or truck.
Right.
I mean, I mean, people can make um complaints about things.
This was a blanket complaint.
If if the um if a nuisance wasn't verified, we have no objection.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
Yep, just one.
I just want to note we did have an individual reach out to us in objection, but as I have called for, I have called for neighbors.
Again, if anybody's here on this item, let us know.
Um, but with that, I'm gonna give it to Alderman Bergellis.
Um thank you, Madam Chair.
Do you have bright lights outside of your truck?
We use uh regular lights for is supposed to have for use uh on winner.
I didn't I didn't ask about the bright light, or about the regular lights.
Normal lights.
Normal lights.
Are there other food trucks that are in the same block that have very bright lights that can be disruptive to the neighborhood?
My opinion is uh normal light too, because uh the food truck needs to have light because night or winter after 4 p.m.
is night.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's not uh something disturbing or your okay the visibility are your lights um shining into the street or onto the sidewalk where you're gonna doing business?
No, no, it's uh on the sidewalk.
Just on the sidewalk.
Yeah, you don't have lights on the street.
Yes, but it's too um down to my truck.
Okay.
The logo is uh Okay.
Has has uh Mowaki have Milwaukee police has the Milwaukee police department stopped and said your lights are too bright for the street?
No.
They haven't stopped.
Okay.
Um have you uh do you have a generator on your food truck?
Yes.
Does your generator violate city ordinances for noise violations after 10 p.m.?
No.
Have you ever been cited for is enclosed on the books?
And have you ever been cited by the police department for noise violation?
No.
Okay.
All right, thank you, Madrid.
Okay.
Um I know you said you do move the truck every two hours.
Do you where do you move?
Do you move it still you stay on KK still?
You just move it up a little or something.
But we moved forward, the two cars, and after two hours, we'll move back again, more than 20%.
And they go, they go and take the time.
Yes, and we won't five uh fine parking because anybody have uh parking on the public street, and sometimes we wait more than three hours for half a parking.
So normally the people put uh some hour on the license, but we can't stay in this time because it's uh recurrence vehicles on the area.
It's a commercial area, and nobody have um uh secure uh space parking.
Right.
And I understand the people um make uh a claim because it's uh some people owners or the others uh business in the area in nobody have up private parking.
Is the first phrase reason they want we move to the area because they have a business to and it's not comfort to for them.
We stay in the area, and I don't understand, but we pay taxes, we pay license, same damn.
You know what I'm saying?
It's uh business conflict.
Yes.
All right.
Well, I know it is getting hectic over there on KK.
There's multiple food trucks, and there's a lot of restaurants.
Don't forget there's a 50-foot rule.
But um, with that, it sounds like the Alder Woman um the Alder Woman's office doesn't have any further objection as the none of the neighbors showed up.
Is that right, Terry?
Yes, that's correct.
We just pause these to allow neighbors who wish to speak on the issue to speak and also to if the if uh complaint was verified to discuss it.
However, this complaint was not verified, and I don't see any neighbors here.
Okay, very good.
Well, with that, does the committee have a motion?
Um Alderman DeAndre Jackson move for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing unso ordered.
Very good.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good luck to you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right, we will move on now to our 910 a.m.
agenda item.
Timothy A.
Ven House, agent for Spark Nation L L C second hand dealer's license renewal application for paymore Milwaukee at 4550 South 27th Street, number B.
Very good.
Hi, Alderman Spiker.
Good morning.
Good morning, Mr.
Van House.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I'll just let yes.
As soon as you're ready, Alderman Sticker, if the two of you will raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Do you sound like frame on the dependency penalties of purview of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about to give is it true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes, I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Um and are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Uh Timothy Van House, uh W 5352 Bow Lane, Fondal Act, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
All right, Miss Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo is there a police report?
On 3525 at 1032 a.m.
Milwaukee police conducted a follow-up to provide the business with the city ordinance and good practice and good business practices.
The officer later conducted a check of the risk prop and discovered 1646 logged items without photos of the item of the clients.
The agent stated they can they scanned the item and photo ID.
The officer explained all the transactions in the risk prop were uploaded.
However, no ID or photo was attached.
The agent stated they would reach out to tech support and find out why the IDs were not uploading.
Walkie police were dispatched to a property return.
The business call regarding a subject who was retrieving stolen property that was sold to the store by the subject's son.
On 416 at 1208 p.m.
Walkie police conducted follow-up regarding stolen property.
The business had purchased the business stated it uh it is standard practice to scan IDs upon purchase.
Very good.
Would you like to speak to the police report, sir?
Yeah.
Um so everything is is scanned.
Um we showed the officer when he came in.
We uh we scan everything.
I think it's on your RIS department's end because when we talked to the state risk department, they showed that they said everything was fine, everything's been uploaded, everything's good to go.
Um we do so our corporate is in new it's in uh North Carolina uh and and they're on top of this stuff.
You know, they contacted the RIS department and uh the state RIS department and had they had no issues with our items being uploaded.
We have three stores, and and we've never had an issue with photos not being uploaded.
Um not only that, but um uh I I think we've had between the three stores, West Dallas Brookfield and Milwaukee, uh we've had six police interactions in three three and a half almost four years now.
Um so um yeah, and and again, we can look into again.
Um we can communicate with the police tomorrow if they want to if they want to reach out to us um and and and and figure out where the laps is between them not seeing the photos, but the state seeing is seeing the photos, um, because you know we've done all we can on that.
Um we've we scan everything and and then um we show the officer the camera.
So there's a camera on each register, and and as soon as the item is purchased, a photo's taken and it's uploaded immediately.
Okay, thank you.
Questions from committee members on the police report?
I'm sure.
Alderman Bergellis.
So from the March 5th, 2025 incident, were those did those items have documentation attached or was that.
Yeah, absolutely.
So you you just were in weren't able to um uh pull them up right away, but tech support helped.
No, we can uh we've been very supportive of the police department.
As a matter of fact, we've been um uh not only do we provide them with the customer's name, address, we provide them with uh uh plenty of video footage.
We have cameras all over operating cameras.
I think he's asking about this specific yeah, the specific time there were sixteen hundred forty-six logged items without photos of the item or the client.
Yeah, we were able to pull up the photos anytime.
Anytime he wants to come in and see the photos, we can we we can provide the photos with them.
Right.
So the police report from March 2025 reads that there are sixteen hundred items that did not have photos.
Yeah, I'm saying that's inaccurate.
The state says they are photos there.
The the city is saying the photos aren't there, but the state is saying the photos are there.
We looked into it as soon as they came in and said that.
It's not the first time they've said that.
We've told them, listen, the state's telling us they are being uploaded.
I don't know why the city can't access them, but the state can the state has fully said that we complied and that the photos are being uploaded.
Um so I I don't know where the where the disconnect is there.
Um, but we certainly can work with the city and and then work with the state and see where the disconnect is.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, I just it's just an interesting it's not the city, it's MPD and MPD officer went out there and could not see that the physical photos.
Was it a technical issue?
Do you think?
Like a technology issue?
When he says he can't, when he says he I personally wasn't there.
So um when he says that he can't see the photos.
Um, I I don't think he's referring to coming in the store and looking at the photos in our system.
Oh, you think that you guys sent him a file and he can't?
No, I think I think that he's not seeing them on the RIS system.
Uh but that but the state is saying that they that there's been no issue with the photos in the uploaded.
Okay.
And our system shows that they've been uploaded.
So every every day we get a report.
Um and we and then and an officer can come in and we can we'll we'd be happy to show them that report.
It it actually gives us a report in our POS system if something hasn't been uploaded, and uh it basically a red alarm goes off in the system to saying, hey, this picture needs to be taken and uploaded.
Uh and we can show that to the police department any time they come in.
All right.
And I'd be happy to I I would be happy to be there if if if need be.
Okay.
That's good.
Thank you.
Sure.
Uh Alderman Spiker, do you have any questions on the police report?
Uh a couple.
Uh, I guess for the licensed investigation unit.
Um, I know Officer Felix is with that unit.
Has Officer Felix or anybody else been back to the property to make sure that things are uploading to the city system and to ensure there's no IT problem there?
Actually, Officer Felix is the one that I believe we've been working with the whole time, and he's and he said he's the one I believe that said there was no issue with the uploads.
Okay, let's let uh MPD weigh in.
Give me a second, we uh check with Officer Felix.
I know they're watching online.
Uh give me a minute I'll wait for a response on that.
Okay.
Okay.
Any follow-up questions, Alderman Spiker?
Yeah, so we we're talking about photos, but I think under the ordinance there's three types of photos that need to be taken.
So photo of the client's ID, photo of the item, and then we also need some sort of photographic evidence of the clients, him or herself.
Yes, we understand.
Yes, we do all that.
We have a photo ID scanner.
Um not not just uh customers that sell us an item.
We require every customer to provide a photo ID, whether we make a deal or not make a deal, and we scan it.
We have a scanner.
So it scans right into our system.
Client themselves, it says in the P33 that uh Mario, the manager, and a second employee stated they weren't taking photos of clients themselves.
Um so do you rely on the security footage to basically give you that photographic evidence?
And does that that isn't automatically upload a photo into the system though, does it?
No, it doesn't it doesn't automatically um up um upload a photo, but we were we were told that the video footage was w was compliant.
Is there any reason you don't take photos of the clients?
Is that difficult?
I mean I guess if I were coming in.
The the logistics of it would be it's it's it's uh we we we would have to do yeah, I'm not even sure how we would be able to do that.
Um and when we set this all up, we we asked them what you know was the video footage because we hold the video footage for 30 uh I think it's 32 days.
Um and and the the police and interaction that we have had we have given the police department actual access to our our uh our data.
Um and then a sign up or anything and we also provide to the clients that they are being photographed, that they are their video is being recorded.
Um I know the city ordinance is supposed to be posted.
Do you have anything that says basically smile you're on camera so folks know?
No, no, we don't, but we could be able to put something like that into your plan of operation that you'd have signed.
Yeah, we could put we could put signage up saying that um yeah you're being videotaped.
I you know I want to say corporate actually came out with something like that.
So we could put something up, sir.
Okay.
There's seven cameras just in the lobby.
Yeah, and I I know the April 10th incident where this wasn't the one where merchandise was stolen by the son from the parent.
This was the one with I think Mark Cat involved.
Um is that an amendment that you two want to make to the application?
Uh it's for the sign.
What's the signage gonna what is the signage again that you're talking about?
He he just wants us to put up a uh put up a sign that says you're being photographed.
Okay.
Basically something that would let me be happy to do that.
That they're being filmed so that um they'd be a little more reluctant to try anything funny.
Okay, that's fine.
Do you want to do an amendment at the table to add that to your plan of operation that you will mount signage to the other side?
Yeah, because we're yeah, because we're adding a sign anyways for no hoodies and uh and no face masks, so we can we can add that with that.
Okay.
So we'll we can make an amendment here at the table.
I don't have a problem with that.
Per your request.
Sure.
All right.
Um Alderman Pratt, will you make that motion?
Okay, I don't know.
Alderman Pratt moves to amend the applicant's plan of operation to reflect um he will make sure to post signage that indicates um folks are being recorded slash photographed.
Sure, we'd be happy to do that.
All right, and hearing no objection to that motion, so ordered.
All right.
Anything further?
Um, if we're having trouble getting Officer Felix on the line, we could do some of this offline as well.
But at least there.
I'll get him online.
Okay, you're still he's still working on that.
And we can actually connect Officer Felix with our our corporate um uh in and and and they can work together.
He's worked with them before.
Okay, let's see.
Um let me just keep moving along here.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
There's L I U.
He's there.
Oh, here's okay.
But just to finish up my question, are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify, and it looks like Officer Felix is here with us virtually.
Good morning, Officer Felix.
Good morning, ma'am.
Um, I think we're gonna have you weigh in on all oh, I'm sorry, can you raise your right hand, officer, and we'll get you sworn in?
Yes.
Do you son of an independent penalty of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about to give is it through the hot truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And will you introduce yourself?
Officer Felix Milwaukee Police Department uh licensed investigation unit.
Thank you.
And then Alderman Spiker, do you want to repeat your question for Officer Felix?
Um I just wanted to verify.
So uh the applicant stated that the um three types of photos involved, or at least two of the three are recorded in the state system, but that there might be an issue with our um risk prop system.
Do you know if that's been resolved if it was the case?
I wasn't aware they were having an issue with their system.
There has been uh since trance for files from the transferred from new pers to risk prop.
There have been a few places that have had issues.
Sometimes we're unable to see what's been uploaded.
And they're able to see it.
So there could be some type of problem, but I was not aware that they were having that issue.
Could you uh do return visit and see that things are being uploaded into the system?
And if there isn't, could you alert me so we could push it up the chain of command so we can get this resolved in our system can see what the state does?
Yes, Alderman, we can do that.
Okay, thanks.
All right, thank you.
Okay, with that, we are in the 13th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Spiker.
Um I think everything's been explained.
So I'm satisfied.
Very good.
Well, with that, we'll remember there's no neighbors present, so we're gonna we're ready to make a motion if that's okay, Alderman Spiker.
You've okay.
Very good.
Does the committee have a motion?
Well, approval.
As amended.
Alderwoman Andrea Pratt has moved for approval as amended.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none, so ordered.
All right, thank you, Mr.
Van House.
Good luck to you.
All right, we'll move on to our 915 a.m.
agenda item.
Is it Narendra M.
Patel?
Agent for Yogeshwar, LLC, Class A Malton Class A liquor license renewal application for discount cigarette and beer at 5320 South 27th Street.
Hello.
Hi there.
Hello.
And who is not in Narendra?
Hi.
Okay.
Good morning, sir.
Good morning.
All right.
If you'll both raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
The U Sony inform on the depends and penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the test you're about to give is it true the whole truth and a few but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And Mr.
Patel, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Yes.
Do you need to interpret for him?
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll miss on.
All right.
Do you want to interpret that for him or do you get to maybe denial?
Maybe denial page I maybe.
Maybe.
Yeah.
But he understands.
I understand what you see.
Okay.
Is that sufficient?
Okay.
Very good.
Um will you each state your name and address for the record?
My name is Narendra M.
Patel.
Okay.
And I do see your house address or uh wherever wherever you want us to mail, wherever you can receive mail from us from the city.
Mail guess we'll mail you 5320 South 27th Street.
Okay, thank you.
My name is Barat and Patel.
Uh to mail it, it's uh 5327th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53221.
Thank you.
All right.
Um Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Courtneho, is there a police report?
On 710 25 at 157 p.m.
Walkie police conducted a licensed premise check.
Regarding an email received, um the business had not been granted provisional license to operate the employees' data they were aware of the denial and agreed to close until the license was granted.
On 1029 25 at 735 p.m.
Walkie police conducted an underage alcohol compliance checks utilizing a minor safety cadet at approximately 7.35 p.m.
the cadet entered the business and purchase an alcoholic beverage from the clerk who did not check ID.
The clerk was advised of the violation.
A citation for sale of alcohol to underage was issued to the agent on 1229 25.
They were convicted and fined for 151 dollars.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Pardon?
Yeah, we we we took care of that.
We paid we paid it, I understand.
And it was the that was probably our second one in probably since we we've opened the store in 2000, which since we bought the store in 2014.
Can you speak to the microphone?
Okay, that was our second one since we've bought the store since 2014.
So we've only had two in about 12 years of owning the store.
Okay.
And then last year with the police report, we shut down that same day as soon as they said it, we shut down that date.
And then when our license expired this past last Tuesday.
Shut down the store.
We haven't been in the store yet.
Okay.
So questions from committee members on the police report.
Madam Chair.
Yes.
Um I guess for the committee's edification as well as the applicants.
You can apply for a provisional so that you don't have those lapses.
So our intent is not to have you lapse.
Right.
Our intent is to perpetuate the license.
We're not in the business of closing businesses generally.
So we can perpetuate that if application.
I did apply for one.
I did apply for one when I did the renewal of the license.
I did apply for all that.
Great, yeah.
All at the same time.
And again, you can do that earlier as well.
So that there is no period of closure at all.
We want consistent opening and and closing times.
So and again, we definitely don't want to be in the business of closing people and having them reopen.
And it just makes it a little bit awkward for us.
Thank you.
Alderman Speicher, do you have questions on the police report?
Uh yeah, I have no problem with them closing for a time because every year they submit their license.
Every year, I mean I think there's been one or two years they haven't.
So it's a tremendous amount of work for this committee.
It's a tremendous amount of work for the license division to just not ever submit anything on time.
So I am a little frustrated with that.
Um it does there is we have the LIU go out there and there is a sign in the window indicating that they'll be opening tomorrow, which they can't if they don't have a provisional.
So the full council I think meets on the 31st, so you wouldn't be granted a license till the 31st at the earliest.
So I guess if you said you understood last time that when you didn't have a provisional, you needed to remain closed.
Do you understand now that without a provisional you wouldn't need to remain closed through the 31st?
Okay, go ahead.
Yes, but I I today said it was a meeting, so I figured I just put in a date just date, but I didn't we were not gonna open if we don't get a license, obviously.
You know, we will be open on 7226 is what you're saying.
So this committee makes a recommendation to the full council, it takes no separate action.
So the full council won't make a decision.
If the committee recommends approval, that won't actually come to pass till the 31st.
So that would be the soonest you'd be able to be open.
So we'll have to be closed till the July 31st.
Without a provisional, because you let your license expire, you have to wait until this passes full council, which is on July 31st.
Okay.
Assuming it passes today and on council day.
I can take that sign down, that's fine.
You just gotta do things in a more timely fashion.
Right, right.
It's just me doing it.
My dad's a little bit, you know.
Well, so tons of businesses I have in my district, they go through the same, but it's the repetitive of this this, and I have contacted you years in the past about it, and I just have stopped now.
And um I did have one question on the police report.
It does seem like there was a sale to a minor for the license investigation unit.
Isn't a PA 33 written when there's an attempt to sale by say um involving a police aid and they get turned away.
Wouldn't that also generate a report?
It should.
Yes.
So the fact that there's only been two fails in 11 years means might mean there's only been two attempts, and you're oh for two.
Um so there are stores I'm not saying yours are one of them that are a little lax with respect to sales with minors.
What was done in this case, it sounded like it was just eaten as the cost of doing business.
There was a fine paid, was any sort of change put into place so that this wouldn't happen again.
Well, we we have uh for an ID, it looks like we I we asked for I've watched for a lot of IDs over the years.
And then we also have a software.
Well in fact when we had the first ticket, we the police would send in random people and I'd be checking IDs all the time.
I still check IDs all the time, and uh we just got a new system where it has uh we can check the ID by your license.
An ID scanner?
Yeah.
Okay.
Did you get the scanner?
Uh like a few months ago.
Okay.
Because it wasn't incorporated with the POS system, now it is incorporated with the PO system.
Okay, that's good.
So was any sort of training taken with the the person who didn't scan the ID.
I mean, it was not a kid, it was somebody in their late 50s.
That would be me.
That that so you were the one that didn't check the ID?
I didn't, yes.
That was me.
Is there any sort of self-reflection you've done since that time to make sure you're checking IDs?
I would think this would be one on one.
I mean, I I always check IDs.
If I don't know my regular customers, I usually I try to check all the D's, you know, but I made a mistake that day at that time.
Yep, and it's a safety cadet, so this isn't uh somebody like my age coming in your store.
This is a young person where I would think if there's the rule has to be if there's even a sliver of doubt, you check the ID.
In fact, risk um pleasing your customer by thinking they're that young.
That's just I mean, they do that everywhere.
So um, yeah, it's just just I know I know uh Barat that you you run things, so you have to be the example for everybody else in in terms of making sure that you're checking IDs without fail.
All right.
Anything further, Alderman Specker?
Alder Member Gallis has a question.
No, that's all I have.
Thank you.
All right.
So the the new system that requires your ID scan was implemented after your underage sale when you sold alcohol to children.
Not to ch not to children, but a minor minor is a child.
A minor is a child.
Um but the the new technology that you implemented, you implemented that after your ticket?
After the ticket, yeah.
For selling alcohol to an underage child.
Okay.
Um does that require an ID scan for every purchase, or are you able to override that for your regulars, like you said?
It doesn't require for every customer.
I like I said, if there's a sliver of hope, I just scan it just to make sure.
But if my regular customers, you know, I know obviously which my regular customers every day come in, you know, but if somebody knew on the weekend, then I'll go ahead and use that to scan.
Do you have other employees that you train on how to use how check for ID?
It's just me and my dad at the store.
Um no one else ever helps out in the store?
No.
My concern is that if you don't have a a point of sale that requires a scan for every transaction, there's an opportunity for a mistake to happen again.
You said you've only had two mistakes in the ten years that you've been or 11 years that you've been open.
Uh and we want to keep it that way and ensure that there aren't mistakes in sales to children in the future.
Right.
Having a second offense is a is a is a problem.
And I think you've already um had some some punitive uh weight from the from the city by not getting a provisional license and you've been closed uh because of the paperwork mix-up.
Um but it's it's very difficult for me to support the renewal of a license when there's a repeated problem and the technology that you've implemented does not require a scan for every single sale.
I mean, I probably can set it up in the system to scan for every single Would you would you be willing to amend your plan of operation to require an ID scan for every alcohol and tobacco purchase?
Yes.
All right, madam chair, I'll amend the move to amend the plan of operation to require an ID scan for every tobacco and alcohol purchase.
Um Alderman, you wanted to make that do you want to make that amendment?
Okay.
Sorry.
He's gonna Okay.
Alderman Peter Bergellis moves to amend the plan of operation to indicate that the agent will ensure that the ID scanner is used for every single alcohol and tobacco purchase.
Correct?
Yes.
Um any uh any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
All right, thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item?
All right.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the 13th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Spiker.
Yep.
Uh I guess I have one question for the city attorney.
If um the recommendation is to renew or renew with warning letter or what have you action isn't taken until the 31st, what if LIU goes in there and finds they're open between now and the 31st?
They could be cited, um, and that citation would then uh result again in a PA 33 on the next license renewal cycle.
So it wouldn't have an effect on the determination or recommendation of this committee.
Obviously, at any point, any committee member or council member can pull from an agenda.
So if new information comes to light that there is operation beyond or without licensure, um that might be grounds for such a poll.
Um again, new information uh material to the determination of this committee um can be used for any number of purposes, one of them being to pull it from an agenda.
Um and by doing so, it would then go back to committee for recommendation.
The PA 33 would be re-read with the new information, specifically a citation or indication that they had been operating without licensure.
Um and then that would again probably affect the determination and recommendation by this committee that would then um go to the common council.
And uh to specifically note the timeline as well.
That would also um include an August recess, um, so it would perpetuate a closure um for an extended period of time as they had to would then have to re-enter the cycle.
Right.
Okay.
And I guess for Sergeant Villas, or sorry Cornell, um whether uh the LIU could do a check between now and council just to make sure things are closed.
Yes, I can I've been coordinating with um I can't pronounce what that's name from district six uh with Anna.
So I'll be I'll be uh chatting with her a lot more.
Um but yeah, we can also do our part.
Okay, thank you.
Then Madam Chair, given that they you know been shut down a week and would be shut down another waiting for counsel, I'd be fine with renewal with a warning letter.
Um assuming they passed that check.
Okay.
So moved.
Isn't that a little bit more than a little bit?
All right.
Um Alderman Alex Brower.
Can you make the motion, Alex?
I'm sorry, are we doing that?
Yeah, I move to uh uh uh renew with a warning letter as amended.
Okay.
Uh Alderman uh with a warning letter, is that right?
Yep, renew with a warning letter as amended.
Alderman Alex Brower moves um to approve as amended with a warning letter.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
All right, good luck to you.
Remember, you have to wait till council day when it passes full counsel, God willing.
On July 31st.
On July 31st.
Yes.
Okay, so we'll we'll be closed until then.
Okay.
You would have to have the license in hand and posted.
Uh council usually concludes in the afternoon.
You can either send a request to send the license via email or you can stop by the office to pick it up.
On the 31st.
On the 31st.
Okay.
Like at noon, right?
Flaviolo?
Yeah.
Noon.
So if I call that one and then I can just have them just email me.
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll be we'll be closed and then I'll just take that sign off the door.
Very good.
Okay.
Thank you.
Good luck, Mr.
Patel.
I thought it was today that we might get approved or something.
Okay.
I didn't know it was a full.
Well, now we know.
Thank you.
Good luck, Mr.
Patel.
Good luck to you guys.
Okay.
Let's move on to our 920 a.m.
agenda item.
Mary Hur, agent for Starbucks Coffee Company, food dealer license renewal application for Starbucks Coffee Company number 17854 at 3425 South 27th Street.
Hello.
Good morning.
Obviously, not Mary Herr.
I'm attorney Bruce Keys from Foley and Lagner Law Firm appearing on behalf of Starbucks.
Okay.
Sarah Sewart, District Manager for Starbucks.
Very good.
Thank you.
Um good morning.
Um if you'll raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Is it true to the whole truth and a few more the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And um will you each well you already introduced yourself, attorney?
Will you will you state your name and address for the record?
Sure.
Sarah Sewart, 2392 Keras Court, Grafton, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
All right.
Um and are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, we received a general general notice, that's correct.
Thank you.
Um Ms.
Welpis, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 111625 at 715 a.m.
an officer was dispatched to a trouble subject complaint.
Manager reported a subject refusing to leave the business upon arrival upon the officer's arrival, the subject left without incident.
On 1146 at 124 p.m.
An officer was dispatched to a trouble subject complaint.
The manager requested a subject refusing to leave be removed.
The subject did leave without incident upon officer's request on 125-26 at 5 45 p.m.
officers were dispatched to a battery complaint.
Employees reported for Jovenel is that enter the business and cause a disturbance on 217 26 at 6.06 p.m.
And officer was dispatched to a trouble of the subject complaint.
An employee requested a subject in the business refusing to leave be removed.
The subject complied with the officer's request and left without incident.
All right.
And would you like to speak to the police report?
I would just mention briefly that in every instance the uh employees have been cooperative.
Uh and oftentimes it's been uh reports from the employees because of trouble uh patrons that have been causing trouble.
So they've had a very good working relationship with the police department.
We're very appreciative of that.
Thank you.
Questions from committee members or the local elder on the police report?
Uh thank you, madam chair.
Uh the reason we scheduled this is and I've been to the location a number of times to uh watch the employees and kind of observe I've observed some um uh difficult situations that the I'll say that the employees handled with skill and professionalism uh even when uh they really uh could have escalated uh and I kind of sat back and watched.
Uh but they did an excellent job.
Uh and uh kudos to them.
The reasons I scheduled this though is because one of the police reports indicates that the uh video footage uh that was requested by the police department was not available.
Uh can you speak to the process on how uh uh camera footage could be or why it wasn't available that day?
Yeah, I'll I'll jump in here.
Uh Alderman, I appreciate your concerns.
Uh and after uh receiving the notice, we had uh meeting with uh the national staff to uh get a better understanding of the pr the procedures that are in place.
Uh the and it is correct that um in one of the police reports the officer reported that an employee was not able to provide the footage at the time of the investigation uh at the site.
Um it is the policy of Starbucks that they do not allow employee access at the site to the video footage.
Um it's part of a larger corporate policy.
Part of that, there's very good foundations for that.
Part of it is to maintain chain of custody so that if there is a need for an investigation, they have procedures in place that they can ensure that the videos have not been tampered with.
They do have and have had a procedure in place for making video accessible to the police.
Uh and it requires that someone um contact uh one of the asset managers and they have a sign posted, um, and I can pass this out, but they have a sign posted in the back of house instructing the employees as to what procedures should be followed.
In response to your concern, um, we did have a conversation and have instituted a change in the policy.
Um there is an individual to contact, but we the sign has been revised so that if video is urgently needed, um, they have a specific person to contact in the event that that person is not available.
Uh they also have available the telephone contact information for Starbucks Global Security.
And if that person is on vacation, uh then he his text message, voicemail, and email have an out-of-office reply with one of the alternative uh regional manager, asset managers to contact.
So it is a um they have stepped up the procedures to ensure that uh if there is an urgent need for the video that they have assurance that they will have someone responsive.
And then as well, uh Sarah is always available if there's a uh as a district manager to respond and react, and then she can reach within the organization to make sure that the attention is being given to whatever the needs are.
Appreciate it.
There was an incident a few years back, a couple years back uh in the neighborhood uh of a shooting that took place across the street.
The footage was not available immediately from the uh business, and that resulted in law enforcement delays that impacted public safety.
So any time I hear that or any time I read that there is a uh inability of law law enforcement to receive video upon request.
Uh sometimes it often doesn't need to be right now, uh, but when it does need to be right now, it needs to be right now, and there's a reason for it.
So I appreciate the um uh modifications on your internal procedures and um madam chair, I have uh no objection to renewal uh with a warning letter.
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
Um was that a motion then, Alderman Brighten?
I'll move uh renewal with a warning letter.
Alderman Peterberg Ellis moves for renewal with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing not so ordered.
Thank you.
Good luck to you guys.
Thank you very much for thank you, Alderman.
All right.
We'll move on to our 925 a.m.
agenda item.
Marisella Fekker, agent for indemnity financial group, LLC, Class B tavern and Food Dealer Licenses Renewal Application with decrease of food sales for two Mesa at 4110 West Martin Drive.
And I know I did um send Alderwoman Moore a text, so I think she's headed up here.
Okay.
And then is Marisela Fecker present?
Madam Chair, I I know Alderwoman Moir is probably on her way, but I know she was gonna request for this to be held.
Oh, okay.
For a community meeting with them.
Okay.
All right.
Well then can we just go ahead and do that?
Yeah.
Move to hold.
Alderwoman Andrea Pratt moves to hold this item to the call of the chair and hearing no objections so ordered.
We're gonna move on to our next uh to our 930 a.m.
agenda item, also in the 10th Aldermanic District.
Jeremy B.
Burns, agent for MKE Burgers Inc.
Extended Hours Establishments and Food Dealer Licenses Renewal Application with Change of Agent for Checkers at 7525 West Capitol Drive.
Good morning.
Yes.
Very good.
And Alderwoman Moore is with us.
And okay, one more checkers, team person.
Wonderful.
Good morning.
Will everybody raise their right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you sonly from the independent penalty submerged of the state of Wisconsin that the test you're about to give?
Is it true the whole truth and a few with the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And um Alderwoman Moore, we held the 925 a.m.
agenda item for um two Mesa at your behest, correct?
Thank you so much.
Okay, very good.
Um right, Mr.
Burns.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
Um and will you each state your name and address for the record?
Jeremy Barnes, 4719 North Nine Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
Mark Burns, 6420, North 91st Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
5324.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
All right.
And this is a renewal.
But was there an objections on file?
That's why it was scheduled.
Okay.
Do we do you wanna take it from here, Alderwan Moore?
I'll let um the um the the objections.
Fabiola can share the objections.
Okay.
And and I see them here in our file as well.
Um was there a health department objection or anything in particular?
A former employee.
No, there's just neighbors, and I think uh employee asked for neighbors.
Mm-hmm.
Looks like former employee, I'm saying they are here in the file.
And so thus uh when there's any objection filed by constituents or neighbors and the like, it gets scheduled.
All right, well, why don't I go to neighbors?
Are there is there anybody here on this item?
Are there any neighbors present that would like to testify to this item today?
Checkers on Capitol Drive.
All right.
There are no neighbors here in person or virtually on checkers.
Um we should give it to the Alder, but thank you for your uh excitement.
I just um Madam Chair.
Yes, um you know, I think one of the things that I just want to say is that um, you know, for any businesses, you know, for individuals running um in our city, uh it can be very challenging because you have patrons um that you're that you're working with.
Uh um, as far as business owners, one of the requirements that I have, you know, of them is that uh they're running um a good business, that meaning that um, you know, the area is um is cleanly, um, you're providing a great atmosphere, you know, for patrons that are coming um and going.
There's some things that you know you just don't have any control over just because you're dealing with um dealing with people.
I'm glad to see that there are no police um records um on file um for this establishment.
I know that um you all have been there for multiple years.
Um, and you know, you know, I think they're a great asset um to district number 10.
Um we didn't so typically when there's something egregious, um, I would have reached out and you know, conducted some formal community meeting, held the file just so that we can address um a lot of the concerns we didn't get um any of that in office as far as hey, we need to have a conversation sort of thing.
Um so at this point I definitely don't mind um approval and then encourage uh any constituents um in the neighborhood um to reach out uh so that we can have a conversation um with the owners.
Um they don't come off to me as unreasonable um individuals.
Very good.
Thank you, Alderwoman.
But I do um I am in approval of um moving their license application forward.
Very good.
And it's your so you guys own this child, it's a franchise?
Uh yes, ma'am.
Very good.
Well, wonderful.
Well, thank you for uh making your business in the 10th Aldermanic district.
And Alderman Jackson already he moved for your approval quite a while ago.
So Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves for approval.
Any discussion to that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
Good luck to you.
So thank you, Madam Chair, committee members.
All right.
We will move on to our to our 940 a.m.
agenda item.
Jascaron S.
Jedi, agent for Jedi Family Inc., filling station food dealer and weights and measures license renewal application for Lisbon Gas and Food at 8712 West Lisbon Avenue.
Good morning.
Good morning.
And um Alderman Westmoreland.
It's right here.
Very good.
Good morning.
How are you doing?
Wonderful.
All right, good morning, you two.
Good morning.
If you'll raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
That the test you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And Mr.
Jedi, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Jessica Run saying JD Cherry Gale.
Address is 5255 West Claire Code, Franklin, Wisconsin 53132.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 8 30 25 at 7 30 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a battery.
The business call regarding the subject who made a threat to shoot the cashier and threw a rocket to releg.
The subject was long no longer on scene.
The business was cooperative.
A 9625 at 1252 p.m.
Milkey police were dispatched to a threat complaint at 8712 West Lisbon.
The business call regarding the subject refusing to leave using profane language.
However, the subject was gone.
All right, thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Uh like nothing was ever done, so no.
Okay.
Um questions on the police report from committee members.
Questions on the police report from Alderman Westmoreland?
No.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that that wish to testify on this item today?
All right.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We're in the fifth Aldermanic district.
Alderman Westmoreland.
Recommend approval.
Very good.
All right.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves for approval.
And hearing no discussion or objections, so ordered.
Good luck, sir.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Really appreciate you.
Thank you.
All right.
We'll move on to our 945 a.m.
agenda item.
Humphrey F.
Nanga.
Agent for Diamonds Inc., Class B Tavern Public Entertainment Premises and Food Dealer Licenses Renewal Application for Diamonds Pub and Grill at 7607 West Hampton Avenue.
And he is here with us virtually.
Is that right?
That's correct.
Okay, good morning.
Good morning.
Um, will you raise your right hand, sir?
We'll get you sworn in.
Do you saw me affirm on the dependence and penalties of perjury of the state of Wisconsin that the test you're about to give is the truth or whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, I did.
Thank you.
Um, will you please state your name and address for the record?
I'm Free Nanga.
4900 uh 7607 West Hampton Avenue.
Thank you.
Very good.
Thank you, sir.
All right, Ms.
Lopez.
Are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, and Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 11825 at 120 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to Walter Check.
The business call regarding an intoxicated subject who fell asleep at the bar.
The subject was transported to a local hospital on 4116 at 1146 p.m.
Walking police observed a call for service regarding a 20-year-old bark uh bartending.
This is a violation, and therefore the call was deemed baseless.
Sorry, you want to correct the record?
You said this is a violation.
Uh uh, this is not a violation, I'm sorry.
Therefore, the call is deemed baseless.
Okay, thank you.
Um, would you like to speak to the police report, sir?
Yes, um uh on the first item.
Um people are on medication, and sometimes um it's very difficult to tell when somebody comes in drinking with a medication.
So the subject had some kind of medication or some kind of drug in them before.
Um that that day.
So that was that on the second item of a 20 year old.
I don't even recall I was having a 20-year-old bartender.
So that could have been anybody making a false uh assumption or false call.
So and also an MPD did indicate it's uh it is not a violation, and and so they did deem it baseless.
But thank you for that, sir.
Okay, thank you.
Questions on the police report from committee members?
Oh, sure.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson.
Um it looks it looks like a significant drop in police calls.
What have you been doing different?
Um, we've uh installed um uh a very professional ID checking system of Veradox, most of the casinos use that system, and in that case when the patrons come in, they'd be an ID'd, and when they leave, it's deleted.
So if you have any problems, we literally tell them.
I mean, it's uh it's uh we're trying to make it a family uh grown-up environment.
So if you are inside, we try to make sure that people behave, but when they leave, uh, we delete the the uh via records on the ID system.
It's a very good system.
All right, good job.
Thank you.
Very good.
Alderman Westmoreland questions on the police report?
No.
Okay.
And are there any pr uh neighbors present that wish to testify to this item today for diamonds?
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
Alderman, we are in the fifth Aldermanic district.
Alderman Westmoreland.
Recommend approval.
Very good.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves for approval.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none, so ordered.
Good luck to you, Mr.
Humphrey.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Alderman.
Thank you, Raymond.
Thank you.
All right, we'll oh you know what?
We're gonna we'll take up your yeah.
So um Alderman Peter Bergelis moves to hold um file two six zero four six two to the call of the chair and hearing no objections so ordered.
Good, thank you.
All right, just for a moment, everyone, so we can take up um item number two on our agenda today.
File number two six zero two three seven, a substitute ordinance relating to the granting of a temporary change of plan permit, authored by Alderman Lamont Westmoreland.
And we also have Jim Cooney here from the licensed division.
Do you want me to start with Jim Cooney or would you like to Okay?
Jim Cooney, do you want to give us a synopsis of the legislation?
Uh sure.
Yeah.
Uh Jim Cooney, licensed division.
Good morning.
Um, this legislation uh clarifies uh late filing, uh five or fewer business days before an event as grounds for denial of a uh temporary change of plan permit.
Um and the idea here, um Alderman Westmoreland, please feel free to jump in.
But the idea here is to give uh local council person some time and a reason to deny should they need to look for objections to a permit.
Um this also removes a section of the code um that uh forces a permit application to the licenses committee if there's an objection.
I think the rationale behind that is that we frequently get these after the filing deadline, and in many cases where there's not time to consider it, so the application is essentially stuck, can't be approved, can't be denied by removing this section of the code, uh it delegates that to local council person.
Very good, thank you.
And to add, um, you know, I I get these uh a lot of the establishments in my district in my district uh close at 11 to 1230 p.m.
and sometimes they want to remain open until two and they apply for the temporary sometimes, for example, that could be an event on Saturday, but they send the application in to license division on Thursday.
So usually when I get these requests for uh temporary approval, I'll reach out to LIU to understand if there is any issues in the area.
Um any uptick in calls for service through MPD, um any any issues in the area, any issues from neighbors.
So uh it just gives the Alder uh time to do their own homework to better understand if remaining that establishment remaining open um is good for the area.
So um I would hate to approve something and learn that you know there is a major issue uh through MPD um a day or two prior.
Very good.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, any questions from committee members for the author or Jim Cooney at this time otherwise are anything final, Alderman Westmoreland.
Otherwise we can't do that.
No, I just I mean, obviously it's it started with me, and I I found this as a issue in my district, but you know, just looking to give all of my colleagues uh flexibility in um determining if you know an establishment you you know getting something temporarily approved um is a fit or not.
Yes, I like the sound of it as well because I know we've had very recently somebody asking last minute, and we would have had to convene the entire first the committee, then the entire council.
So I feel like this would help to rectify that.
Would you agree, Jim Cooney?
Yeah, correct measure.
All right.
Um if there's not anything further from committee members, uh undertain a motion.
I'll move approval.
I I'm happy to uh help close loopholes.
Very good.
Alderman Bergelis is happy to help close loopholes and he moves for approval.
Any uh discussion on that motion.
Any objection?
Is it passage?
Oh, I'm sorry, Alderman Bergellis moves for passage.
Um all right, hearing no discussion or objection, so ordered.
Very good.
Thank you, Alderman.
Okay, with that, um Alderman Bergellis moves to reconsider file number 260462, and we'll move right into our 955 a.m.
agenda item.
Is it Edu Aragon Guzman, agent for Cosina Filipina Fair, LLC, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premises and Food Dealer Licenses application requesting instrumental musicians and bands for Cosina Philipina Fair at 3801 West Vale Street.
Agent for Cosina Philippina Fair, LLC, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premises and Food Dealer Licenses application requesting instrumental musicians and bands for Cosina Philipina Fair at 3801 West Vale Street.
I was joking when I asked for samples last time.
I mean, but I wasn't.
Good morning.
All right.
Good morning.
And Alderman Stamper is with us virtually.
Good morning, Alderman Stamper.
Good morning.
How are you?
Good, good.
Thank you.
All right.
If everybody wants to raise the right hand, the applicants in Alderman Stamper will get you sworn in.
Do you see the U Sony if you're on the dependence and penalties of perjury of the state of Wisconsin that the test you are about to give is a true the whole truth and a film but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
I do.
Thank you all.
Okay.
Um, all right, and who is our so who is it?
Agent.
Okay, you are the agent.
Is it Edu?
Okay.
All right.
Necessitas traducion?
See.
Okay, you're gonna help.
Okay, very good.
So um right, so I'm gonna start with this question.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility you may be your application may be denied?
Yes.
Okay, feel comfortable.
Okay.
And if you can use the microphone.
Okay, very good.
Okay, will you each please state your name and address for the record?
Can you say it in Spanish?
Yes, and then you translate for it.
Okay, thank you.
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 5320.
Okay.
Good.
Thank you.
All right.
Um, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Uh hold for occupancy.
Okay, Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
All right.
I see it's a new application.
Do you want to let us know a little bit about your experience and your plan for the business here?
Okay, poquito sobre negocio.
Okay.
Obviamente comida filipina.
Rice bowls, is the pants it?
Uh lechung.
Okay.
Okay, so basically we're going to be opening up a Filipino uh fusion restaurant on uh near west side.
Um currently we are in a couple of spaces already.
We're at those convention center, uh, we're at the Panther Arena.
Um, but our goal is to just have a brick and mortar, and so that's what we're planning on doing.
Okay.
This will be your brick and mortar.
Yes.
Yes.
Very good.
Okay.
Thank you.
Questions from committee members for the applicants at this time.
Questions from Alderman Stamper for the applicants at this time.
No questions.
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
Cosina Filipina Fair.
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the 15th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Stamper.
Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair.
I welcome this new business to the district.
I had a chance to meet the owner.
We're excited about them opening up, and I welcome them to the to the area.
Wonderful.
Thank you, Alderman Stamper.
All right.
Thank you.
Well, very good.
Does the committee have a motion?
Move approval.
Alderwoman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing non so ordered.
All right, very good.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Good luck to you.
Oh we'll just leave this.
Oh, you brought that?
Oh, that's serious.
I thought that was it on the table.
On the table.
Over there, yeah.
We can make that kind of publicly available for you.
Then that'll be available to the public.
Yep.
You know, not just not for us.
Thank you.
Good luck, you guys.
Thank you.
Oh, I didn't realize that here.
Okay, well, it's out there for the public, so please everyone.
Um let's move on to our 10 a.m.
agenda.
You missed it, Alderman Stamper, they brought treats.
I see.
Lovely.
Okay.
Let's move on to our 10 a.m.
agenda item.
Ashwani Sharma, agent for Lisbon Food and Beer Inc., Class A fermented malt, food dealer and weights and measures licenses renewal application for Lisbon Food and Beer at 4401 West Lisbon Avenue.
On the board, Patrick.
All right.
And I see Ashwani Sharma with us virtually.
Good morning.
Good morning, Madam Chair and the whole committee members.
Thank you.
Will you raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Sure.
And if you truth.
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Okay, Mr.
Sharma.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay, thank you.
And will you please state your name and address for the record?
My name is Shwani Sherma, 5025 West College Avenue, Greendale, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
92025, Milwaukee Police were conducting underage alcohol complaints checks at various retailers utilizing an underage safety cadet.
At approximately 155 p.m., the youth entered 4401 West Lisbon Avenue and purchased an alcoholic beverage from the clerk who did not ask for an ID.
The agent was cited for sale of alcohol to underage on 111825.
They were convicted and fined 451 dollars.
All right, would you like to speak to the police report?
Uh no, ma'am.
That was my employee's fault.
I know he didn't ask for the ID.
But mostly I want to assert to the committee that most of the time me and my wife, we both work at this uh uh location.
Because that day we were out of town, so we have uh one part-time employee, but he failed to do his duty as I trained him about asking the IDs, especially for like whosoever looks under 2021 or whatever.
So I already removed him from my uh business.
He's no longer employee with me.
But I I understand this is a serious violation, and it's my responsibility to take care of this.
So I take some uh preventive steps.
I installed a new PUS system that is from NRS, and it always asked for I put a check on it before any beer or tobacco sale.
It asked for the ID check.
So we are doing so.
So this is my first violation regarding alcohol or tobacco.
I was maintaining a very good record with this store.
And I I asked the committee to consider me for as my good record.
That's all I have to say.
All right, thank you, Mr.
Sharma.
Questions from committee members on the police report at this time.
Questions from Alderman Stamper at this time on the police report.
Um yes.
Uh how did you find out, Sharmy?
And was he was he a um that a f was that the family member guy?
Uh no, sir.
It was not my family member.
He's just uh my employee.
Okay, so who works there now?
Because uh it doesn't look like you've been have you been open?
Are you open?
We uh I opened on June 17th.
We had uh remodel the whole store and we changed the roof.
We was closed for a quite bit, like two and a half months.
Yeah.
Yeah, we did a lot of improvements in the store and these steps uh to prevent all these incidents in the future.
I'm working on it and I'm just taking more preventive steps.
So if I'm not you been there again, sorry, sir.
How long have you been there again?
Uh been at the store.
Yes.
I work, I I'd be there at like three, four hours, but my wife.
I know.
Like how many years?
How long how long have you owned it?
I'm on here since 2019, so September of 2019.
Okay.
All right.
Um, my recommendation is a warning rather.
I do like the new system.
Let me let me let me check with uh Audible Gillis.
Alderman Gills, is that that system we discussed last time?
Uh thank you for the question.
I I believe it's a good idea.
Well, I like that.
I believe it's it sounds similar.
Um, sir, does it does your system require an ID scan for every alcohol tobacco and THC sale?
Yes, sir.
It does.
Whenever we scan any beer item or any tobacco item, do you see it all do you sell THC?
No, we don't.
You don't, okay.
So thank you for implementing that.
Uh I think you you've uh read the council's and the committee's mind.
Uh that if you uh are if there is a failure to um protect children from alcohol and tobacco, that we uh we do like to see uh technology uh assist uh and prevent those kinds of unfortunate uh instances in the future thank you thank you, Alderman.
Uh I'm uh I'm appreciative of how we took measures on our uh he's been uh good operator over there for the last few years.
So uh I'm going to just support this license with a warning letter.
Thank you, Alderminister.
Thank you.
Um are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
Lisbon food and beer.
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We we just heard from Alderman Stamper.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson.
Oh Mr.
Shoreman, do you want to update your plan operation to reflect that you have a ID scanning system now?
Yes, sir.
I can I can do install that one too if you want me to so you have the system already right?
Yes, sir.
In the POS, I do have a system.
It gives you the option whenever somebody is there to buy the beer or alcohol.
I mean uh alcohol or tobacco.
When we scan, there is a message pops up on the screen of the POS.
You must check the IDR.
Is it is it the buyer is 21?
Then after confirming that, then we have to press OK, then only the sale can go through.
All right, and you okay today with updating your plan of operation?
Yes, sir.
All right, madam chair would like to update the plan of operation of this business to reflect to have ID scanner for the point of sales of alcohol and tobacco.
Okay, you would like to make that amendment to your application today, Mr.
Sharma?
Um I can do that, ma'am.
But can you eliminate how can I do it?
Like it's we can do it right here at the table for you.
So Alderman DeAndre Jackson, I just wanted to make sure you want to make that amendment.
Yeah, I can do that, ma'am.
Okay, Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves to amend the plan of operation to reflect the implementation of an ID scanner for sale of alcohol alcoholic products.
Is that right?
And uh I'm sorry, alcohol and tobacco products.
Any discussion on that motion?
Okay.
Any objection?
The the only discussion would that be it would be for every alcohol and tobacco sale.
Uh require an ID scan for every alcohol and tobacco sale.
Okay.
Is that right, Mr.
Sharma?
Yes, ma'am.
For every single alcohol and tobacco sale, you'll use that ID scanner?
Yeah, I can do that.
Yes.
Okay.
Is that enough to do that?
Thank you, but you're good with the amendment as is.
All right.
Any further discussion on on Alderman Jackson's amendment?
Any objection to Alderman Jackson's amendment?
Hearing on so ordered.
All right, very good.
Do you want to make a motion, Alderman Jackson?
Uh move approval as amended.
Alderman DeAndre and warning letter.
Any export one?
With the warning letter.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves for approval as amended with a warning letter.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
All right, thank you, Mr.
Sharma.
Good luck to you.
You're welcome, ma'am.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Alderman Stamper.
Thank you.
All right, we'll move on to our next 10 a.m.
agenda item.
Scott P.
Thompson, agent for Bridgman Foods 2, Inc.
Extended Hours Establishments and Food Dale Licenses Renewal Application with change of agent for Wendy's restaurant number six at 4601 West North Avenue.
Hey everybody, how are we doing?
Hi there, good morning.
Good morning.
All right.
Does everybody want to raise the right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
The Usoni affirm of the dependence and penalties of purview of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about the give is a true the whole truth and a few but the truth.
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you all.
All right.
And your Mr.
Your Scott Thompson, yes, yes.
Nice to see you.
Okay.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you each state your name and address for the record?
Scott Thompson, 8681 South Avian Way, Franklin, Wisconsin, 53132.
Thank you.
Rolando Maldonado, 2112 Sun 92nd Street.
West Hallis, 5327.
Thank you.
Roy Simpson 4264 West Pine Boulevard, St.
Louis, Missouri.
Thank you.
And then our attorney is also on the line.
Lauren, you want to.
Which one is uh Lauren Presented 3309 Collins Lane, Louisville, Kentucky?
Very good.
Thank you, attorney.
Um but the agent is here.
So perfect.
You be you practically don't even need them.
But nevertheless, good to nice to have you, counsel.
All right, very good.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Gordon, is there a police report?
No, no police reports.
All right.
Well, this was um must have been scheduled for uh and an objection, perhaps.
Alderman Stamper, do you want to weigh in here?
Uh I'm looking right now.
Madam Chair.
There was items previously on the um application, but with the change of agent, they are all now previous premise.
Okay, I see.
So we got I think there was also a question for the Alderman regarding security.
Yeah, security.
There's uh officers were dispatched on 8 24 25.
That was a concern.
Then March, there was another robbery complaint, and then I got some issues with um the operation of Wendy's.
Okay.
Yes.
Um can you speak to those items and we're talking about the two that were on the yeah, 824 25.
Yeah, I think we're talking about the two that were on the yeah, 824 25.
So uh we had real quick, explain to me why all this stuff on the police report isn't being discussed.
Why why why why why why didn't you say all the stuff on the police report?
Because of a change of it.
Can you repeat it for Alderman Spiker again?
There's a change of agent Alderman Stamper.
Sorry.
Um that's why the items on that were previously noticed are not noticed this time around.
It's all previous premise due to the change of agent.
Yeah, but how do but the the issues relate to the business, not the agent.
Correct, but that's how the reports have been written.
So you can change the agent and and remove all of the negative stuff that happened to the business by changing agents.
Please Alder, yeah.
Let's um we can reserve comment as to uh that's what no we that's what you're doing.
I I understand that I just don't want that to see to appear as a uh possible pathway.
They are and do appear on the previous premises.
Yeah, I understand that, but we're not gonna do that with my district.
Well, the applicant is certainly willing to discuss the items.
Yeah, well.
Okay.
And we we can continue.
Can we talk about it?
We can certainly continue the dialogue uh on it.
Alderman Stamper, maybe it's a piece of legislation he wants to pick up.
They're willing to discuss it, that's fine.
Yeah, I will.
Okay, absolutely.
But with that, we want to thank the applicant for being willing to still discuss the items.
Yeah, no problem.
Um I'll give it to Mr.
Thompson Alderman Stamper to really talking about the one that was on August 24th, 25.
Um, we had an employee uh that was confronted after close of business after they're punched out uh of the the POS and was was attacked by somebody that came up to the restaurant, something that happened outside of work.
Um he went back in the building, came back out, um, and there was a confrontation.
Uh the employee was assaulted uh and in self-defense, he had a pocket knife that helped kind of hold him down to the police got there.
Um Rolando, our district manager, uh, complied with the the police provided camera footage and the attacker was ended up being arrested.
So uh again, uh the employee was terminated for violation of our weapons and security policy, so we take this very seriously with a zero tolerance, even though he was attacked that night.
Um it is a violation of our policy, never worked for us again after that that evening.
So did the employee have a handgun?
No.
The police report says, and the subject armed with a handgun.
That was the uh the attacker.
So the attacker had a handgun.
Yep.
And your employee put out a knife.
He actually disarmed them.
He disarmed disarmed the guy with the gun, and then uh thread back in his car and kept holding them down, and then they fought again, and he held them at night point until the police got there.
What is your security system like at Wendy's?
So we have uh envision security system, um 16 cameras live streaming at all times of day.
Um again, really helps with any issues that we may have.
It's been an asset to us.
We've had it for about three years now.
And for situations like this, you know, Rolando's able to dial in quickly and get the footage over to the police department, and uh in this situation they were able to capture the attacker.
Okay.
What about the other incident?
Uh the other incident was uh there's two individuals in our parking lot conducting a Facebook transaction.
Um weren't even uh aware of it until the police contacted us about footage.
Rolando complied again, provide the footage.
Um, and I believe that case is closed as well.
Okay, I have a uh concern about this this change of agents.
I'm looking at this report, and this is another issue with another weapon complaint.
Uh yeah, I need to I need to I need to hold this.
I'm requesting a hold just to find out what's going on.
Okay, uh let's see.
I need some accountability.
It sounds like there's no accountability.
I need I need to I need to understand some things.
And Alderman, if I may provide a little inf information for you.
Just so you know the okay change of agent.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh can you I'm sorry, this is the attorney speaking, Alderman Stamper.
I apologize.
All right.
Go ahead, attorney.
I I just wanted to explain what we we did a change of agent, not not realizing or not knowing that it would remove those reports.
Um Mr.
Paul Thompson is has retired and that's why we've made Mr.
Scott Thompson the agent yeah and if I can jump in here attorney I just wanted to Alderman Stamper can you I just wanted to speak real quickly to remind see remind the committee remember Mr.
Um this is Mr.
Thompson's son that is taking over and we had to hold it last time because they had to do a change of agent that's why that happened it was also because their attorney was the only one present and it was out of state yeah and also attorney was here uh with an an alderman I'm sorry attorney Gresham noted that he doesn't he's not licensed in the state so for all those reasons it had to be um held over just to give you uh refresh our memories alderman stamper yeah thank you hey um what what's their what's their date as far as how long are they when is our operation uh expire their license is already expired they do have a provisional that will carry them over until August 10th all right yeah let me hold this i'll I'm requesting a hold so meet with this new owner and discuss this this operation okay they need they'll need you to support another provisional alderman stamper because they expired okay yeah just by default all right uh don't worry about that let me uh uh I want to hold this okay does the committee have a motion and then can we move to have a our provisional extended please yes it will be it will be attorney extended thank you oh I'm sorry elder woman were you moved to hold alderwoman Andrea Pratt moves to hold this um item to the call of the chair any discussion any objection hearing not so ordered thank you thank you all right we'll move on to our 10 oh five a m agenda item Ralph M.
Taylor agent for best way auto LLC secondhand motor vehicle dealer's license renewal application for best way auto LLC at 3814 West Center Street is Ralph M.
Taylor present hold on rapid fire have you heard from the applicant uh licenses we have not madam chair alderman stamper have you heard from the applicant I haven't um what what what time is this for him we're on the 1005 it's the first non appearance it's the first yeah um okay we can hold to next month next cycle alderman Jackson moves to hold this item to the call of the chair and hearing no objection so ordered moving on to our 1015 a.m agenda item gorinda s Nagra agent for North Av Petrolmart Inc.
filling station food dealer and weights and measures licenses renewal application for North Ave Petrolmart at 1319 West North Avenue good good morning good morning everybody all right um will you raise your right hand Mr.
Nagra we'll get you sworn in the Us only in front of the defense and penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about to give is it true the whole truth and of him with the truth yes I do thank you thank you all right and are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied yes ma'am thank you and will you please state your name and address for the record yeah Gurunda Negro 6980 South 35th Street Franklin thank you um Ms.
Lopez are there any holds no holds Sergeant Cornejo is there I'm sorry yes Sergeant Corner is there a police report no police reports thank you all right okay no police report okay this here we have another one is this was this scheduled for an objection there's no police report what no there are things on the police report oh 48 to 51 okay can we go back to you Sergeant Cornejo for four items just one moment here I can be this I thought I was looking to the sorry about that I don't have a file here for that okay no worries yes there are police reports ma'am yes go right in 525 25 at 113 p.m walkie police were dispatched to subject sub trouble subject the business call regarding the subject doing drugs in the rear of the location the subject was gone on our officer's arrival on 61625 at 918 p.m walkie police were dispatched to trouble the subject the business call regarding a subject who frequently handles and steals from the store the subject was advised by police they will be cited for trespassing if they return on 82525 at 147 pm walkie police were dispatched to an entry that occurred on 82425 at 4 4 30 a.m the business call regarding a subject they believed enter the business the previous day however they were left prior to officers arrival video showed a subject throw an item at the window and entering the store taking items and fleeing the scene on 2 13 26 at 5 53 a.monky police were dispatched to a trouble the subject the business call regarding a subject refusing to leave however the subject left prior to officer's arrival okay thank you would you like to speak to the police report I mean if there's a problem
The business call regarding a subject they believed enter the business the previous day.
However, they were left prior to officers' arrival.
Video showed a subject throw an item at the window and entering the store, taking items and fleeing the scene.
On 213 26 at 5 53 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a trouble subject.
The business call regarding a subject refusing to leave.
However, the subject left prior to officer's arrival.
Okay, thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
I mean if there's a problem, I'll be able to call the police and then thank you.
Questions from committee members on the police report?
Yes, ma'am chair.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson.
You had a significant drop in police calls.
What have you been doing different?
Um because uh it was 24 hours.
Now we are open till 10 p.m.
And I'm requesting to be open till 1159 if that's a possibility.
So currently for the last year you'll be on closing at 10 o'clock.
Yes.
And we have um disguiled in the evening.
Okay, thank you.
Anything further, Alderman Jackson?
No, no, that was good.
Okay.
Questions from on the police report.
Alderman Stamper.
Yeah, thank you.
And um looks like what you've been doing has been working.
I appreciate all the proactive calls.
Uh Mr.
Geary.
So uh let's let's continue this this the success in the neighborhood.
But so I would uh um no objections very good.
Um Madam Chair.
Yes, uh the the request to open later isn't noticed.
Um we missed that on our end.
He did request to close at midnight, but we missed that, so that is not in front of us today.
Okay, so the applicant would like to amend his application to be able to stay open until 11 59 p.m.
Yes, sir.
Uh Alderman Stamper.
No, we haven't discussed that.
Okay.
Madam Chair.
Uh yes.
Yeah, because it wasn't noticed.
Um, the committee sh probably shouldn't discuss it as it is a public concern specific uh to the Aldermanic district and then also just the broader community.
I believe though we will see him again in very short order, probably the next cycle with that 1159 request if you're gonna perpetuate that request.
So that'll come up on our next regularly scheduled meeting because it was a request that you made on your application, so we will have to hear it.
Um and it should come up expeditiously.
So moved on right now.
We're gonna deal with no, we don't have to.
We don't have to open it right now.
We're gonna deal with what's specifically in front of us, and then later we'll have to deal with that secondary uh request to extend the hours.
And obviously, that gives you some time with your local alder to discuss um what works within the district and what works for you.
Um, but because it was missed on our end, we do have to contend with both of the requests.
We have to individually identify and contend with what's on our notice agenda agenda, excuse me, and then what's separately requested by the applicant.
So we will have to take this up again, so we will see you again in short order, probably after the August recess.
Um I apologize for the inconsistency there.
All right, very good.
I'm sorry, madam chair.
Yes.
Um, so I'm I'm looking at the file that we have in front of us, and I see the supplemental application with a change of hours that was requested.
So just so that I can understand this correctly, the applicant rec made the correct request, but we never noticed the neighborhood about the request for a change of hours.
The specialist that processed the renewal didn't note the change of hours, so I when I discussed this with the alderman, there was nothing on the status sheet um informing me that there was a change.
So all of that was missed because and it wasn't noticed properly.
Was this business license um renewal plan of operation filed refiled with the change or like we just didn't read it?
It was an error.
Yeah, it was an error.
It was missed.
Okay.
Thank you.
So on yes, so we do sorry about that error, sir.
But um we can still take up the application, but without your request to change of hours, uh, Alderman Stamper clearly wants to speak with you and neighbors have to be noticed and the like.
Um all right.
Speaking of that, are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
North Av Petrolmart.
Okay.
Um let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
Is that LIU?
Do they want to speak on this?
Or did you no his hand has been up the year?
Oh, okay, very good.
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
With that, we are in the 15th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Stamper.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
No objections.
I like his proactiveness, and the new operation is working, so no objections at the currently stands.
Thank you, Mr.
Temper.
Very good.
Thank you.
All right.
Alderman Alex Brower moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
And then after the break is probably when the soonest that we could, which is September.
That we could take up your request for the hours.
Okay, man.
Thank you.
So thank you for your patience.
Thank you.
Okay, bye now.
Okay, moving on to our 1020 a.m.
agenda item.
Eric Broxton.
Agent for Select Tire Sales Inc.
Recycling Salvaging or Toying Premises License Application requesting dealing, storing, andor transporting waste tires for select tire sales at 4000 West Lisbon Avenue.
Hi there.
Hi.
Um sir, if you want to raise your right hand, we'll get you all sworn in.
Testimony wrote to give you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And uh Mr.
Buxton, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you please state your name and address for the record?
Eric L.
Broxton, 2655 North Arbor Drive.
Thank you.
All right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy.
Okay.
Sergeant Codnejo, is there a police report?
No police reports.
All right.
I see it's a new application.
Would you like to tell us a little bit about your experience and plan for the business?
Um I've been owning the property since 95.
Um I was actually operating it up until 2006.
And I started making some changes with the business and I sublased to some individuals whom I regret.
Um but we did uh address some zoning issues in 18 and 19 to allow us to be able to re-apply for occupancy and reopen the business.
We took care of everything except the tenant for some reason didn't follow the code and get the licenses and stuff.
And they was actually operating illegally for about a year.
Okay.
Um it took me a few years to with the lead litigation to get them out of the property.
And now I have I'm trying to reopen my business under my own operation.
Okay.
That's why I had to reapply.
Thank you.
All right.
Questions for the applicant from committee members?
Questions from Alderman Stamper for the applicant?
No questions.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Select tire cells.
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the 15th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Stamper.
Yeah, thank you.
I met Mr.
Braxton and uh he assured me that the operation will be run under his leadership.
I appreciate him painting the building.
I appreciate him doing the landscaping upgrade.
We weren't able to schedule him for the community meeting.
So if he just gives me his word that he will attend the rooted and rising neighborhood community meeting, then I will be happy to support Mr.
Braxton.
All right.
Okay.
He's what's that?
All right.
Well uh Mr.
Braxton.
Well, Mr.
Bryce, best in our discussion.
I'll have high hopes for you.
And uh please uh just keep your word.
All right, that was the rooted and riding community rooted and rising community meeting.
Yes, right.
Well that that's that's one of them, but we he and I discussed a few things, so as long as he keeps his word to me, I'm fine.
Okay, you have all that information, sir.
Yeah, I mean I'm in touch with his assistant at his office also.
Okay, very good.
Madam, Alderman Pratt has a question.
Uh no, I just wanted to add that uh Mr.
Boxer operates in the first district, operates um impeccably um throughout the district, several businesses.
So just to assure Alderman Stamper that I believe it'll be it'll be great.
Wonderful.
Well, I well, I well Alderman, thank you for that.
I hope he operates impeccably and Alderman.
That's good.
That's actually good news.
So I appreciate that.
Um just a question for the applicant.
Um, what kind of tone?
You have towing an application.
What kind of tolling?
It's not gonna be tolling, it's just a retail new and used tires.
Yes, it's not DRST license could be anything recycling salvage or towing.
Um for non-consensual towing, that's a separate license that'll identify clearly that it's not consensual.
Yeah, for this one it's just waste tires.
Yeah, yeah.
He is one of our like six waste hire transporters in the city, so we only have six of them.
He's one.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, that's Alder Woman Pratt.
Alder Woman Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Good luck to you, Mr.
Vaxton.
Thank you, all right.
Thank you, guys.
I'm out.
All right, thank you.
We'll move on to our 1025 a.m.
agenda item.
Maricella Atunas Jimenez, agent for Tacaria, Paria Mix, LLC food dealer and food dealer and food pedal licenses renewal application for Paria Mix Mexican restaurant at 4952 West Forest Home Avenue.
All right.
Good morning.
Okay.
Okay.
We need somebody to help with interpretation.
Okay.
Yes, in a futuro, in the future, if the elder andor the applicant can let us know when you believe you're gonna need interpretation.
In the future, um, all right.
Yes.
And the elder too, if he knows who his applicant he can let us know.
Or they can let us know as well.
But for now we'll have to hold it as we wait for somebody to come up for to help with um translation.
So tenemos que esperar para alguien venir para ayudarte con traduzione.
Okay, so si pueden sentar otra vez.
Okay.
Gracias.
All right, Alderman Peter Bergellismo told this item to the call of the chair and hearing no objections, so ordered while we wait for somebody to come help with interpretation.
So we'll move on to your district.
Okay.
We're gonna move into your district now.
No, that's not chambers is on the board.
Oh, yeah.
I'm number one.
And Alderman Chambers was with us virtually, yes.
Yes.
Why are you can you take that?
I'm gonna pass the gavel to uh vice chair Pratt.
Next up on our 1030 a.m.
agenda, we're Peter J.
Hmm FEMA Fredo, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premises and Food Dealer License for New Application for Fremos at five, no, six four four nine West Fond du Black Avenue.
Is Peter J.
Fima Fredo present?
Madam Chair.
Uh like uh Fabio.
The agent requested that the item be held.
Okay.
All right.
Uh motion by Alderman Jackson is to Madam Madam Chair, if I may, real quick.
Alderman Chambers.
Oh, I can uh raise your right hand to be sworn in Otterman Chambers.
Okay.
Do you suddenly affirm on the independence and penalties of purjeer of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about to give is it true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Alderman Chambers.
Um, yeah, uh we just uh were made aware yesterday that the applicant um does want to hold this.
Um the applicant uh missed an incident on the police report of uh of a tragic um shooting that happened that's on his fleet report.
I believe the family is all currently on the big board of uh the decedent.
Uh I just want to thank them for their you know their willingness to come in and speak on behalf of their loved one.
Um I do want to just put on the record that uh Mr.
Frimafredo have been closed ever since that incident.
Um so um and I think he is not planning to uh reopen probably towards the end of the year or try to attempt to open towards the end of the year.
Um so I just wanted to provide some context into that, so I will request that this being held.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And the motion by Alderman Jackson.
And thank you to the family that's come in as well.
Thank you to the family for showing up.
Yeah, thank you to the family for uh coming today.
Um and our our condolences.
Umderman Jackson makes uh motion to hold hearing and saying no objections, so ordered.
Next up on our 1045 a.m.
agenda Oh, are they here?
Oh yeah.
We have a chance to do it.
And that is Marisella Antunes Jimenez, agent for Takaria Paria Parila Paria.
Mix LLC food dealer and food pillar license renewal application for paparia mix Mexican restaurant at 4952 West Force Home Avenue is Marcella Antunes Jimenez present.
Thank you.
Please raise your right hand to be sworn in.
Yes.
Are you a receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility that your application may be denied?
Please say your name and address for the record.
Miss Lopez, are there any holds?
Sorry.
Yes.
On 5725 at 9 a.m.
and also conducted accepted.
The establishment was open to a business and being operated by the previous owner.
9 a.m.
a.m.
police.
Okay.
Security cameras were functioning.
The new agent was advised of a standing complaint form to help deal with problems such as loitering.
And 5 28 25 at 11 a.m.
officers conducted a license premise check.
Upon officers entering the business, they were greeted by the manager who stated the business is still operating as the brass key, which is owned by the same person until the license licensing change takes place.
On eight nineteen twenty-five at twelve twenty pm and also conducted a license premise check.
A sign was posted on the exterior with the new business name.
Three handwritten written signs informing patrons alcohol is not being served at the location were posted.
Employees what cooperative during the investigation.
The establishment was confirmed to be open and operating.
Several signs were posted informing the public that alcoholic beverages were not being sold until the license was granted.
Bottles of alcohol were still on display, and the owner was advised until a license is granted those items should be removed.
A temporary no parking zone was implemented to help curve a street takeover.
Three individual companies found to be part in the zone.
Additional information was provided and all three owners complied with the request to move.
Signs were still posted advising the public alcohol beverages are not being served until a license is obtained.
The owners stated they did not get approved for a liquor license but have not received a physical copy and will not serve alcohol until they receive their license.
That's everything she wants to say.
Does Committee have any questions about the police report?
It's in the 11th Automaric District Out.
I mean Burgelexing questions about the police report.
So there was a period when uh there was still alcohol being displayed in the business when they were not allowed to serve it.
Uh MPD made multiple follow-ups and corrected that.
So um so this was this was scheduled because of that disconnect.
Uh there are additional items on the police report regarding food trucks which happen in other aldermatic districts.
But I did want to ask a question to licensing because I don't see a DNS complaint about bright lights.
I know we had communication with them, I don't think that was added to the file for regarding the food truck.
Okay, and the building no, not the food truck.
But the building, the signs, I know they went out and the building looks like the UFO landed.
Yeah, we did have communication with DNS to go get that checked out.
Okay.
Um but there's nothing in the file.
Should DNS should the DNS orders be submitted that would come up at renewal next year then?
Uh yes.
So uh my office has received complaints about bright flashing lights that persist uh 24 or persist all night long, even when the business is closed.
Oh de colores.
Yes, we put on lights, colored lights around.
Unless they turn it off.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
She's saying that yes, that they added some lights around the food truck unless they turn it off.
The restaurant.
No, no, talking about the restaurant, not the food truck.
Oh, okay.
They did put lights around just like other businesses.
That's what they put.
Oh, yes, the only solution that she can find is to turn it off and not have it on.
Yes, I could, but other businesses have also lights around their businesses, but if that's what bothers the people, they she could turn it off.
I'm not sure.
Thank you.
I'm gonna interject here.
I just say that your um concern is that you receive calls from neighbors saying that the lights are on even when the business is closed.
Correct.
And she said that yes, that she's the lights on.
Oh, the husband put him on um automatically.
So the lights turn on automatically.
Right.
Uh I drove by last night.
The business was closed and the lights were still on and flashing.
Yes, the lights are on all night.
So my request is for you to stop flashing lights any time.
And turn the lights off when the business is closed.
The colored ones.
Yes.
Okay.
Parking lot lights are normal.
But the carnival, 24 hours a day is not.
Okay.
Marisela se refiero in todo el contorno del edificio.
Okay, porque.
Okay.
He just asked if he's able to keep on the lights without even flashing, just on with no flashing.
No advertising negotios.
But the flashing is a distraction to neighbors and motorists.
So I will ask if you'd like to uh amend your plan of operation.
To allow lights that don't flash when the business is open.
So lights that do not flash while the business is open, and you turn the lights off when the business is closed.
And turn the carnival lights off when the business is closed.
So uh will you agree to adding that to your plan of operation?
Yes, Madam Chair, I'll uh move to amend the plan of operation to restrict flashing lights or lights uh restrict flashing lights at all.
And to not allow lights while the business is closed.
And no lights after no colorful lights after dark, right?
No carnival lights after the business is closed.
Any objections to the motion hearing is saying nice I'll order it.
All right.
Thank you very much.
And I have I have no other objections to the business, so I'll there any are there any neighbors present who wish to testify or the record?
Oh, okay.
Um you can come up to the standing mic.
Raise your right hand to be sworn in.
Do you soundly affirm under the pains and penalties of perjury in the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Just state your name and address, and then you can you'll be given two and a half minutes for your testimony.
Can I just start I'm sorry, can I pause right here, madam chair?
I just want to make sure he's objecting to some to the food truck.
Is the food truck before us right now as well?
No.
Oh, you're vo objecting to the food dealer and food peddler.
Okay, I just wanted to make sure you were here for the right.
Yeah.
Very good.
Please.
So I'm here today.
I'm representing Burger King.
I'm the store manager from my Burr King address is 1841 South 14th Street.
I'm new to the location.
I took it over in April 20th.
Obviously, there's gonna have challenges for the store.
I knew one of my challenges was gonna be the amount of taco trucks that park in front of the business.
Stop a second, give her a chance to pause the timer.
Translate to the mic, not to her.
Okay.
Go ahead, Juan.
And then so one of the taco trucks would be their taco truck.
Um now they're parked there from I want to say seven to eight in the morning till four in the morning.
And um I know that I'm pretty sure there's different time zones for that.
Um de comida está stationado de las 7 a las 8 as to 4 a.m.
Ever since that I went up to the taco trucks, I expressed my concerns um about all the trash that they leave while the customer all the trash that the clients leave, they do have trash cans outside of the taco truck.
So prior to like we will have Saturday nights, Friday nights would be the busiest days where the whole my whole lot will be filled of cars.
Cars blocking the entrance, both entrance at times.
You know, some customers will come in motorcycles or bikes, reving their engines.
And I'll let them know if we can turn on the music.
Um they would, but then they would just turn it back up.
And then with all the partying, there's people uh drinking, there's people throwing their trash all over our lot, glass, bottles broken all over the lot.
Now there would be a time where once in a while they will clean it if I'm recording, um they will come out and clean it, but as far as them cleaning, I barely see anything, and I already expressed my concern about it.
And so since everything ever since I've been reporting it to Jose Jose Perez Alderman of the district and then his secretary also have been reporting it to her too.
Um if we can get the tacos truck to move somewhere else because I know they can't be 50 feet within our entrance, a business entrance.
Okay, but as far as that's fine.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Um go ahead.
So you park and do you you park near this burger king then?
Is that correct?
Uh well no.
Oh, I'm sorry, these I'm sorry, I miss I did the process wrong.
These are questions just for the witness at this time.
Okay.
I'll wait.
I'll hold my question for the applicant.
And can I ask a question?
Thank you for your testimony.
Um did you say that are you certain that the food trucks are staying this food truck is staying open till 4 a.m.?
Yes.
How many how often mostly every day?
I say they're there seven days a week.
Um I know this because I check cameras every night.
And then top of that, I board thirdshift myself just to experience just to see if you know if they will clean or what time they actually do leave, and yes, they do leave at 4 a.m.
One time they did leave early and I'm only up to swim because they ran out of food, which was like around three going on four.
So they're open and serving at four a.m.
No, they're closed at four a.m.
They close so they they get there around seven to eight a.m.
and they can they will be there till four AM.
And this is during the week and on the weekend?
Yes.
We need translation.
I already told her what you said in amount, so I I just the last part I haven't translated what he said.
Yeah.
Uh Tamina dicho que la pregunta comida está, yeah.
Dice que si in the semana se las cuatro.
Okay.
Yes.
And you Burger King is open twenty-four hours of it.
It's open twenty four.
Okay, the drive-thru.
All right, thank you.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Uh any other questions from committee.
Honor Gallis, any questions?
Yes.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um where so your your uh restaurant is on a for the witness.
Oh, okay.
Um trapezoidal shaped lot.
Yeah.
Do they park on Burnham on 14th on Forest Home?
Where do they park?
The the food truck?
Yeah.
On forest home.
On forest home.
So across the big side of the parking lot.
Yes.
And then uh question for licensing of the order city ordinance is fifty feet from the entrance of a restaurant without a uh drive-thru, Burger King has a drive-thru.
What's the distance restriction for food trucks for restaurants within with a drive-thru?
With the drive-thru, I don't think there's any restriction.
So there's no restriction.
Oh my limit.
Yeah, the time limit.
Time limited.
Um when you and you've said you've asked the operator of the truck to clean up after their customers.
Yes.
And when I went up to them, um the person that was in the truck at the time told me that they switched switch, they switched shifts and that they can clean up after each changeover.
And ever since then I've haven't seen any cleanups.
I've had my opening manager send me videos and photos every morning going in and there's glass, all whole bunch of stuff.
Um, what time does your restaurant close?
We don't close, we're 24 hours.
The lobby closes at 9 p.m.
is 24 hours.
And it's a burden on your staff, you said to have to clean up after someone else's customers.
Exactly.
And then on top of, you know, some of my staff have vehicles, they can drive into the parking lot, get a flat tire because there's times we're just sharded glass sticking up into like just poking up.
You know, and then another reason is that we get our food inspection as early as six in the morning.
Um if they were to walk in, we would get dinged for that.
Excellent.
All right.
Thank you, madam chair.
Okay.
Um the applicant for this witness.
Yes.
Right now there's two car two food trucks that moved El Carboncito and the Mial Damor.
She doesn't know why.
She has a question.
Only questions.
Solamente preguntas.
No, no, no.
No, no questions for him.
Okay.
Um Ottoman Perez who represents the district is here.
Do you want to speak to this?
Did you have questions about this morning?
I do.
Thank you.
No, um I appreciate uh the testimony and um manager being here present.
We have gotten several complaints.
Um DPW, parking, the health department, MPD district two are all aware of the situation.
Um I expect that there'll be a significant amount of PA 33s for all of them that are registered in my district with food bases.
Um all the food trucks know that they can't be within fifty feet of another restaurant brick and mortar.
They're still parking at Forest Home in front of Burger King, wing stop is right there.
There's a palateria cross, which is a brick and mortar, which is another food dealer license.
And so um I expected to deal with I didn't realize they were up today because they're in a different uh the food base is another district, but uh what's going on on Forest Home is a problem, and I'm expecting other departments to really step in and help hold people accountable for that.
So what he's seeing is absolutely right.
The parking lots are being taken over.
Um I I have a question is um how often are you calling the police department about people in your parking lot?
I call every time when they're actually blocking our lot at the entrance because regardless if I call on a day that is not really busy, they'll just drive past or they would just drive in the lot and then drive off.
Okay, because we can't really know their customers to them.
So how does this look at the other?
Are you calling because people are parking in your parking lot and they shouldn't be?
Because if they're not your patrons, they have no business parking in your parking lot, correct?
Yes.
Okay, but are you calling for that?
Are you calling because people are parked in your parking lot or are you only calling when they block your entrance?
Both.
Because I mean even when they're blocking if they're not blocking the entrance, the whole lot can be filled.
And still playing music and all everything else.
That's in the works, but what I do is I call the city if I get a vehicle that needs to get told.
Okay.
So if I look up your address, we're gonna see numerous phone calls for parking violations from your location?
I'll say about two for overnight for vehicles that park there.
How often?
There's only two calls.
Uh but just in the in your open what what are your hours of operation?
24 hours.
Okay.
So in 24 hours, I've witnessed I got pictures of vehicles being parked in there that are patrons of the food trucks.
Is there a reason you're not calling for that?
Because if you don't call for that, then people are gonna think it's okay to park in your lot and get food from them and not you.
Well, if I do call a non-emergency won't show up on days that it's really not packed.
Because I even then when I do call, they always ask me how many cars are in there.
So if I were to say no, we got five cars, I feel like nobody will come.
Okay.
Thank you, madam chair.
Thank you.
Um did this.
Um, so this is in the 11th Automatic District, Ottoman Bergellis.
And thank you, you can have a seat.
Oh.
Oh, oh, Ottoman Perez?
No, no, from the from the applicant.
Oh, I asked them, they said they had no questions.
Yeah.
Okay.
No questions.
Um, I am very disappointed, thank you, Madam Chair.
I'm I'm disappointed to hear about the problem in uh a different part of town.
Um, are those claims from the restaurant manager valid?
Oh was Burger King three atrás.
No, pero el Estado.
Yes.
What have you done to improve the situation?
What they do is they try to clean up all the trash, but there's a lot of trash, even the Burger King's trash.
And those two bags get filled up.
All type of trash.
There's all kinds of trash, bottles, burger kings trash trash, their trash, even preserved preservatives.
I knew that it's going to be a issue.
So what I'm gonna do is I'm no longer gonna park there, I'm gonna park where I usually park.
During the day I don't park there.
I park uh at the other side and she only parks there at night.
Um the food truck, I'm reading the food truck uh supplemental renewal application.
And it does not identify any location where you operate.
Because they were used to be on burnam and they got moved.
No, the food trucks.
Page forty page 43 is blank.
So it's the last page of the package.
Oh the food trucks have no incinerary.
This is for the renewal, correct?
So yes.
So my question for licensing.
So la pregunta para el Departamento Licencias.
Okay.
Should these should these applications not identify the locations?
Yes, they should.
Should these applications should this application not identify a location where they're going to operate?
Where would the food truck be legally permitted to operate?
The itinerary should list where the trucks are operating.
So if the application is blank, where can the trucks operate?
Is it nowhere?
I mean they they cannot operate anywhere, but the itinerary is used to identify where they are to make it easier for the health department to identify where they are so that they can go rand and do random inspections.
Okay.
So uh if I uh if we hold the all of the food truck applic renewal applications, is a provisional automatic?
Or is that subject to the provisional would be automatic because the licenses are expiring the 21st of August?
So we would have to give them a provisional for the trucks.
How can we give a provisional to a blank application?
We can't really operate.
Um Madam Chair, I'd like to move rejection of the applications.
I don't know, this is unusual, but they're incomplete.
Uh we have problems from the neighbor we have established problems from the neighborhoods where this operator operates.
I wanted I want to give you some time to translate.
But we have established that this operator has some problems where they're operating.
Based on the location where they're operating.
So madam chair, I will move to how the food pedaler license.
Yeah, I'm very concerned to hear test sworn testimony from the witness around staying open till 4 a.m.
Um that's very concerning as you know during the week, food trucks can stay open in the city of Milwaukee until 3 a.m.
and on the weekend until 3 30 a.m.
de comida stalasquatro a m, pero legalmente las camiones de comida no pueden nada más.
Um with that, I'm not understanding what all the member gallets is looking to do.
I I there's nothing.
I think you mean a hold.
Don't you mean a hold?
And you can't do it.
How many food trucks do you have?
Or lose lugar.
They have four, and the only one they have issues one is on the one that was in the burnum.
They have five food trucks.
No, nothing.
Okay.
Five, you said?
Uh they have five, so they have four food trucks that are licensed and then one application for a new food truck that does not have a license.
Okay, and I guess I'm not understanding what Alderman Briells' motion is.
Well, I I don't think that the application should have been before so they're incomplete.
So I don't think so.
So I think we will need to hold all of the food truck applications until we can consider a complete application.
And that may end up being a special before uh our next council meeting.
However, this is that also triggers an automatic uh provisional license that allows them to operate through August to until our next regular cycle.
Is that correct?
If we hold the food trucks, yes.
So the four would have provisionals, the application would not be before anyone.
Um so we've spent more than enough time on this today.
Um Madam Chair, I'll move to hold all the food truck applications.
Uh approval of the renewal and then the new for the food dealer license.
Um food dealer renewal as amended.
As amended.
Well, is this only for is this only for the food trucks today?
No, it's food dealer and food pedaler, right?
So you want to approve the food dealer and food peddler licenses.
So food dealer renewal as amended with a warning letter, food peddlers hold.
With a warning letter, and to hold the food peddler license.
Um to hold the food pedaler license.
Hearing and scene on so order.
Okay.
She also wanted her speak.
Oh, yeah, she should get the speaker.
That's fine.
Okay, go ahead.
She already has seven years with this business and she's been renewing every year.
Three weeks ago the inspection, the inspector when they're on for his home.
That was one of the issues when they were on parked near El Rey.
They told them to move and they did move.
And where they moved to the new spot.
They've been selling there for almost two months.
Okay, look yourself.
And she but you think of Trabajadores.
She believes even the fairly negotiation.
She she believed this is not fair just because of the renewals.
And she has about 20 employees that depend on that work for her on the food trucks.
What she could do is move forward or move from Burger King.
Do we want to identify that there will be a provision in place?
Can you explain that to license?
I just want to call Madam Chair.
Yes.
And additionally, you need to reach out to both Alderman Burgellis and Alderman Perez.
He probably should reach out to Burger King as well.
She's not gonna park there anymore.
Okay.
Because both of the other food trucks are already moved from there too.
She will no longer be there.
I am in the back where she usually sells during throughout the day.
So we're good.
All right, thank you.
And I do want to go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want to go back to our last agenda item was Freemos, and I see the the family of Tremay and Montgomery.
We still have quite a few people on the board.
Um I was just letting you know that that item, the owner did not show up, so the I the item was held, so we did not hear anything about it today.
Um we don't know if if he'll be reapplying or renewing, but you will be notified when he is.
Tina, I see you unmuted.
Yes, did you have a question?
Yes, I did.
I'm I'm wondering why we didn't have a chance to be acknowledged when the item was on the agenda and the all the time.
Madam Chair.
Yeah, automatic.
Oh, sorry, good.
I can speak to it.
Um the reason Can you let her know who you are so she understands?
Uh Assistant City Attorney Travis Gresham.
The reason that we don't open to public testimony when the applicant isn't here is because these hearings are as to the individual license, and that licensee, the applicant has the ability to cross-examine witnesses testifying or um just giving evidence that they are not here, kind of disallows that process.
So if we open it up to public testimony, none of that public testimony can be considered by the committee because the individual applicant isn't here.
So what we what we're doing is reserving your testimony so that when the applicant appears in front of the body, then we can consider all of what you have to say.
So by making sure that they're here to rebut or question or whatever it might be, um, that again preserves your testimony and make sure that it's it's uh allowed to be heard by the body.
If we were to open it up, all of that testimony would have to be kind of stricken from the record.
Okay, so can you tell me?
So if an item is held, does that mean that they're going to have another hearing regarding that?
They might be notified when that hearing takes place.
Yes, ma'am, you will be notified if there is a further hearing.
Um some individuals choose not to apply again, understanding that there might be uh public pushback.
So the individual here didn't appear.
Um, and again, it's within their ability to withdraw that application, but if they continue to pursue the application, um you will be notified of that upcoming hearing.
How many opportunities does he get to not show up and it's generally in the discretion of the committee?
Um but non-appearances, um unscheduled or unnoticed, non-appearances.
There are generally two, um, but that's not a strict rule by the committee.
Um this one was a noticed non-appearance.
Uh the alder was made aware by the individual that um they were not going to appear.
Um, and that was apparently a very late notice uh that was given to the alder.
The elder did make a statement um that will be on the record.
So if you want to go back and review um that the video should be up um probably in about a day or so.
Okay, I just have one more question.
So he suppose he doesn't, he chooses not to reapply, but another license for that location magically appears a year from now or two years from now.
Are we made aware of that?
How do how do we if you're within the the 200?
There's a a certain distance um that you're generally made aware of, and if you have a standing complaint as to that specific location, the license division will reach out to you individually.
So what you can do is file a standing complaint with the license division as to that location, and then you will again get specific individual notice as to any license that occurs or is applied for at that location.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, it's called a standing um you also could sign up for e notify for the fifth district, and you'd be notified of every license second second second district.
I mean that comes up um when that license comes back up, you'd be notified via email as well.
I I got it, T.
I got it.
Okay.
All right.
Uh thank you, Montgomery family, and our condolences.
Thank you for doing this.
So next up on our 1045 a.m.
agenda, we have Shane K.
Williams, agent for Aldi Incorporated.
Because I know we closed it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Ohdy Incorporated Wisconsin food dealer license renewal application for Aldi number 19 at 225 East Capitol Drive.
Is Shane K.
Williams present.
Shane K.
Williams present for Aldi on East Capitol.
I know we have all stackler, your microphone's not working.
Oh, is this nobody didn't have counsel in-house counsel or in state consult?
Okay.
Yeah, they had counsel from out of state last time, I think.
That's right.
That's right.
No, it's still not working.
Well, now.
Yes, we can hear you now.
Okay, sorry about that.
I didn't select the correct microphone.
Um John Steckler, uh, legal counsel appearing with uh Zach Maxwell, who is appearing on behalf of Aldi.
Should I ask him if he let's ask him?
We have problems with the last one.
If he can practice it.
Yeah, so let's make sure that he's licensed in Wisconsin.
Uh John, I just need to check and make sure you're licensed in the state of Wisconsin.
Yes, I am.
Okay, thank you.
Uh Madam Chair, we might want to take a recess.
I don't know if we have more.
We do never mind, excuse me.
I can't tell.
Okay.
Um put your right uh hand up, Otto McCox, Zach.
I don't know if Zach is touched it on it.
All right.
Do you son of you from the under depends and penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony about the give is it true, the whole truth, and nothing with the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting?
The possibility that your application may be denied.
Yes.
Please state your name and address for the record.
Zachary Maxwell, S78 W 14958, Bell Chase Parkway, Musquegou, Wisconsin.
Miss Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo is there, police report.
On 428-25 at 447 p.m.
officers are dispatched to a battery complaint.
Employees call regarding an unknown subject physically attacking a customer inside of the business.
Both subjects left prior to officers' arrival.
Security camera was available of the incident.
On 7 1125 at 1126 a.m.
also dispatched to a threat complaint.
Upon arrival, the assault the subject was no longer on scene.
Employees were cooperative and no violations were observed.
So your security camera was available of the incident.
Security camera video was available of the incident.
On 1128, 25 at 414 p.m.
officers were dispatched to a theft complaint.
Security guy reported unknown subjects that attempted to steal merchandise.
We're back inside of the business.
Security requested the subjects be removed.
On 1126 at 6 05 p.m., officers were dispatched to a threat complaint.
The caller was not able to be contacted, and employees reported an upset customer yelling at them prior to leaving.
On 21626 at 3 22 p.m., officers were dispatched to a theft complaint.
Security reported two subjects that drove off with merchandise.
Security video was available of the incident.
That's it.
Okay, sorry.
Uh would the applicant like to speak to the items on the police report.
Um nothing in specific in terms of those police items.
We we do a great job.
We feel like we're partnering with the Milwaukee Police Department and trying to uh monitor their time and only call them out when necessary.
Uh we felt like in most of these cases it was necessary to call them out, and um they have told us that we've been very cooperative, whatever we do call them out and try to help them wherever we can with the investigations.
Does the committee have any questions about the police report?
Uh auto McCoggs, any questions about the police report?
Yes, I do.
For item 22.
Um, it appears that the uh the subjects that were stealing were folks that were known to security.
Does RDs ever do restraining orders against folks?
Uh we um we have done kind of trespassing orders against people that have come in a repeat offenders.
Did that happen in this case?
Did do you all have trespassing orders against the individuals um in vibe with number 22?
Uh I couldn't speak to that directly to know if those individuals do have specific uh kind of a trespassing order on them.
If I if I may, I I believe that uh the suspects in this case were unknown and are unknown.
They were unknown.
Correct.
I guess I'm not understanding because it states that they were back inside and they were known to have attempted to steal merchandise.
Maybe police um if the police department could clarify one second, ma'am.
I'll meet it real quick.
Item 22, correct?
Yes.
While he's looking at that, just so you know, part of the reason I'm even asking that is because I just want to make sure that you all and your security are taking every measure, every step that is legally available to you to help to um attempt to lessen some of the necessity um for police.
I know people don't always observe the trespassing um stuff, but the more things you can do to make it um difficult for them to keep coming back, um, the better.
And I just want to make sure that you all are doing that when possible.
Agreed.
Yes, and we do do take advantage of that when possible.
Um I I don't have the police report in front of me, but my understanding in that situation, just based off of the summary there would be that we recognized or the people in the building recognized these people from previous infraction that earlier that day or prior the previous day, something along those lines.
Not necessarily that we're known people.
Um, like we had an affiliation with them or knew their um, but it says that they were they were asked to be removed, which makes me believe that when police came, they were still there.
So even if you did not have their names or know who they were previously, it is at that time that you could try to do the trespassing for the future.
So I'm just trying to see if you all did that.
Yeah, gotcha.
Okay, yeah, I said I see that it says security requests of the subjects to be removed.
So madam chance to I'm sorry.
Uh it's a known shop for but not known by name were they present when the police came one second.
What and we can and we can uh proceed.
I don't want to hold up too much time on it, but again, I'm just trying to make sure that when possible, you all are exercising everything you can do to help to prevent the necessity of the police department.
Um in this case, in my mind, if you physically had a people there and the police are there, you should be able to get the information necessary to do a trespassing um for the future.
But madam chair, he can still look for that, but I don't want to hold up anymore because I don't want to be there.
Are there any neighbors present who wish to testify?
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present who wish to testify.
Um again, send the sixth automatic district.
I do have one question before I give any uh rest of my comments.
Um for the attorney and uh um Zach, are you a manager?
What's your position?
Uh one of the operations directors.
Okay.
What security firm do y'all use?
Uh we actually just switched recently.
Uh I think within two weeks ago.
Um we switched to ProSeger is our new company.
Um how many officers do you have on at a given time?
Security officers do you have on at a given time?
Uh we have we have one all day.
Is that person stationed somewhere in the store?
Typically stationed towards the front where we see the most activity, uh, but they will do kind of periodic walks throughout the building.
Um kind of just making sure there's touch points on kind of exit every exit within the building as well.
Why did you shift companies?
Wait till break.
Uh it's kind of a national upput to be able to shift um and just consolidate companies that we have across the country.
Yeah.
All right.
Um this is the audience closest to my house.
I frequented it.
I've been there to watch security chase, somebody who's dealing.
Um, out of there.
Um, when I was there, the security was not at the front.
Um I would be in 30 years.
I recognize how vital grocery stores are to our community.
Um, but what I would encourage the operations guy, I would encourage y'all to monitor how the security operates.
Um, because I happen to believe that um this is preventable.
It may not be you all's fault per se, but I think when you have good security, um thieves know that.
Um, and they might be less intrigued to steal from your location.
Um, so I would just encourage all to monitor security, make sure they don't get too comfortable and that they they are truly securing um the location.
With that, um, you know, they seem to work well with the police department um when incidents do occur.
I would encourage you all to to continue to do trespassing or whatever you need to do against folks who are perpetual um thieves.
Um, and with that, um, I would just uh hope that you all would do a um approval of the food license with um yeah, approval of the food license.
Oh, sure.
Okay, honor Jackson.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um, are you amenable to update your plan of operation to include security?
Is it not on there?
It's not on there.
It's not on there.
Thank you.
Attorney.
Mr.
Maxwell, you're muted.
I'm sorry.
Um, we updated it during uh the council meeting last year, so it should have that on there.
If not, we are more than willing to update it now.
All right, I would like to update the plan of operation for all these to include a security guard all day open and close.
Is it questioning?
9 30 to 8 30 is the official times.
There is a note saying uh for their abatement plan, it's called police, other security manager approaches customers, and then operational hours are not conducive to noise problems.
That was it.
So there's no security, it just it's state security, but that doesn't state how many or the time frame.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
So the motion by Otterman Jackson says to amend the plan of operation to reflect security from open to close.
Uh any objections to that motion.
Madam Chair, I just want uh acknowledgement from the applicant that they would like to make that amendment.
Uh John and Zach, you are are you okay with making that adding that to the plan of operation?
Yeah, the official times just for guard services would be 9 30 to 8 30.
Okay.
Um just if that helps.
Okay.
So the plan of operation is amended to a M PM.
AM 9 30.
9 30 a.m.
to 8 30 p.m.
correct.
Okay.
Yes, so I make the motion to include.
So the motion timing exactly the motion by Otterman Jackson is to amend the plan of operation to reflect security from 9 30 a.m.
to 8 30 p.m.
every day.
Um objections to a motion, hearing seeing none.
So order.
And I think we're in committee.
It's committee have a motion.
Approval.
Motion Otterman Jackson is approval as amended.
Hearing saying no objections, so order.
Thank you.
All right.
Okay, I'll take the gavel back from Madam Vice Chair.
We'll move on to our 1050 a.m.
agenda item.
Danani Amin, agent for Zop Zopa Pop Foods L L C food dealer license renewal application for Popeyes number 904 at 207 East Capitol Drive.
Hello.
Good afternoon.
Yeah, good afternoon.
Uh attorney Chrissy Adderholt with Almondson Davis at 111 East Kilborne.
Um, also online today should be Daniel, the district manager, and Rudy, who's with the asset management team.
Okay.
And that's Danny Pina.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Danny and uh Rudy, will you unmute and raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you song you affirm on the dependency of Burger of the State of Wisconsin that the testimony testimony you're out to give is it true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And then thank you, attorney.
I'm sorry, your name again?
Yeah, Chrissy, K-R-I-S-S-Y, Adderholt, A T T E R H O L T.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Um all right.
And are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
We are.
Thank you.
Um right, and then I'm sorry, Rudy and Danny, will you state your name and address for the record?
My name uh is Danny O'Pinya.
My address is 3343 Arthur Avenue, Rookfield, Illinois.
60513.
Thank you.
Rudy, Rudy Kwayan, 4415 Highway 6 South.
Sugarland, Texas, 77479.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
Uh 7325 at 814 p.m.
Walking police were dispatched to a total subject.
The business call regarding the subject causing a disturbance.
However, the subject was gone on police arrival on 1020 25 at 845 p.m.
Walking police were dispatched to welfare check.
The business call regarding a subject undressing and refusing to leave.
The subject left prior to police arrival on 6146 at 748 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a theft.
The business call regarding an employee who was stealing money.
The manager did not have all the pertinent information and stated they would file a report at a later date.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Yeah, I'll speak to that briefly.
So we are appreciative of the police's responses to our employees' concerns, and glad that employees do contact the police when customers are either in need of help or to ensure that the store is safe and secure for both staff and employees.
As for the last item on the report, uh cash shortage is what kind of triggered that call into the police.
Um and we have high standards for cash management.
So the manager on duty who is responsible for um making sure the cash count was correct, was terminated for failure to uphold that's high standard that we hold.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Questions from committee members on the police report?
Questions from Elder Woman Cogs on the police report?
Yeah, I do.
I do have a question about um item 10.
Um, what is the protocol within the company for if an employee uh was stealing money?
Like how is that supposed to be handled?
Yes, the fall, as far as the policy is concerned, um, they're obviously going to do an investigation to determine if that is um in fact true.
Um, and here a cash shortage is clear that there had been some theft that occurred, and it is the responsibility of the manager to uphold that.
So um it's a zero pol zero tolerance policy for employee theft.
And so that employee was terminated as such.
At the time of this call to the police, had the investigation been completed.
Um I believe there were there was an issue potentially with uh security cameras being operational.
Um and so at that time it wasn't completed, but it was internally resolved.
And then once the investigation is complete, um the manager is supposed to call the police.
Uh part of the policy.
Rudy or Danny, do you have a comment on the final contact with police once it's been internally resolved?
I can speak to that.
Uh so essentially obviously when we have a large uh shortage, and um uh this happened to be a shortage of uh 461 dollars.
Um lease are uh supposed to be um contacted once all the uh data and information um are uh on hand, right?
Um, you know, and obviously uh the manager on duty thought you know uh she had uh everything I should supposed to have.
So in uh good faith, um, you know, I should contacted uh the police department uh to file a report.
And um at that point uh the police officers felt that uh not that uh we didn't have uh enough uh information uh for them uh to file a formal uh report on uh the theft.
Do you train managers on stuff like this?
Yes, we do.
Uh we train them and uh there's also an employee handbook um as well um that they uh review and sign.
But yes.
Was this particular manager retrained on this point on his policy point?
Yes, she was.
Thank you.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
Popeyes on capital.
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the sixth Aldermanic district, Alder Woman Cogs.
Um I would um I would uh hope that you all will move approval.
Um, but I know my constituents would be mad if I didn't say two things.
One is I think you all should work harder to keep the outside clean.
Um is that committed to that?
In fact, for the licensing assistant licensing manager, what does it say about cleanup on their application?
Um there's nothing specific, it just says sweeping daily and that the employees are responsible for it.
That's it.
So how often do you all clean outside?
Uh various times of day.
I mean it varies, it could be anywhere from you know five to ten times a day.
I mean, uh, you know, uh that parking lot uh, you know, uh we need uh uh keep clean um on a day basis uh throughout the day.
You said five to ten.
So would you be amenable to us putting on record that you um say that you you have the outside cleaned at least five times a day?
For sure.
All right.
Uh Alderman Jackson moves to amend the uh application to reflect that the applicant will clean up at least five times a day daily, and hearing no objection to that, so ordered and the other thing is just running out of food.
How bad that is the biggest complaint I get about you guys, and I personally have as well, is that it you got a good product, people actually love it, uh, but way too often you guys are running out of food.
So I hope you guys figure that point out.
It'll be great for business too.
Yeah.
That's um, I agree a hundred percent.
So with that, I will hope that you will move approval of the application as amended.
Okay.
I do want to um we have to have you make the full motion to uh Alderman Roger sooner.
Um I will add uh if I if I may add to Alderwoman Cog's comment.
Um that is kind of uh general comment that I hear from folks.
Popeye is actually runs out of chicken more often than not.
I just don't understand.
And at both locations on the south side in my area, and I've even heard it.
I I remember I was visiting Madison once and a friend kind of made a joke, but he was serious, his local Popeyes he went to had no chicken.
So it's just an interesting um dilemma that I've heard.
We can know that for the other locations as well.
Very good.
But with that, I think Alderman Brower made a motion.
Yeah, I move uh approval as amended.
Alderman Alex Brower moves for approval as amended.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you for your time.
Um all right, we'll move on to our and I do want to let for um the public and colleagues.
Travis, uh I don't know.
Does anyone want to work through?
I don't know, but I have to do that.
Oh no, we have one.
Okay.
So um we are going to take a brief 20 minute break at approximately 12 30.
So I just wanted to give everybody a heads up.
Um all right.
Let's move on to our 1055 a.m.
agenda item.
Um Amritpal Singh, agent for nowe corp.
I apologize if I mispronounced that.
Food dealer license renewal application for corner food mart at 432 East Chamber Street.
Is Amripal Singh present?
Amripal Singh I think I see him here virtually.
If you want to unmute Okay, are you Hello?
Hi, are you Amri Passing?
Yeah.
Uh yes.
Who's on repulsing?
You, sir?
Yes, yes.
Okay.
Um if the two of you wanna raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Uh yes.
Thank you.
Do you solve the firm on the depends and penalties of perjury of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it to the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And are you um in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility that your application may be denied?
Yes.
Umrepal, can you answer that?
Yes.
Okay.
And can you each state your name and address for the record I uh sing Amrit Pal, uh the corporation, nonetheless?
And uh 432 East Chambers said.
Okay.
Okay, and then can you state your name and address for the record as well?
Umdeep Gar.
I'm Wi-Fi from Red Pal Singh.
The address is Fort 32 East Chamber Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Coronejo, is there a police report?
Yes, on 524-25, the applicant was cited for sale of cigarettes to a minor at 3067 North Holton.
Uh 91925, they were convicted in 5280.
On 10, 425, Milwaukee police were assigned to work with uh Wisconsin wins, which checks the area of vendors uh for age compliant tobacco sales at approximately 1115 a.m.
A youth entered 432 East Chambers and purchased tobacco product from the cashier who did not ask Friday.
The agent was cited for sale of cigarette to minor for 2026.
They were convicted and fined $691.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Uh yes, uh actually uh we correct that mistake.
We fired uh both of our employees and we are working by ourselves right now, and uh they re-check on 12th of June again uh 1220 a.m.
And they also signed this ladder for both our stores, and we correct that mistakes.
All right, questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions on the police report from Alderman Cox?
Um, yeah, in general, I'm glad to hear that you let go of the staff that um that committed the violation.
Um but I do wonder, and and now that you all are rep are working yourselves, but there might come a point where you do hire staff again.
What is your training process for staff um about uh checking for ID for um for tobacco sales?
Actually, um uh we we do both have uh uh cigarette and tobacco license uh to sell, right?
We have a training, but in future if we hire anyone, we make sure they have a license, proper license.
They have license, but I don't know why they did that mistake.
But uh uh in future we can make sure.
Thank you.
Thank you, Ms.
Cox.
All right.
Alder Member Gallus.
Thank you.
Um do you use any technology to help ensure that every tobacco or alcohol sales scanned with uh yes, we have a scanner too.
So uh do you require your employees or yourselves to scan every ID for every tobacco and alcohol sale?
Yes, yes.
We ask the person uh make sure they are we asked the ID and we also have a scanner, so we scan it.
I'm sorry.
Um do you require, does your point of sale system require an ID scan for every transaction?
Uh no.
Okay.
Oh no, it's not in the point of sale system.
Okay.
Are you are you amenable to change your point of sale system to require that scan?
Uh actually we talk about uh point of sales system about this and uh they give us uh options.
So we gonna make sure that we gonna put that one.
So you're you are um uh you are going to make those changes.
Uh yes, yes.
Would you like to change your plan of operation to reflect that you will scan an ID for every tobacco and every alcohol transaction?
Oh no, alcohol, I'm sorry.
For every do you sell THC?
Uh excuse me.
Do you sell THC products?
No, no, no, we don't sell it, yes.
All right.
Uh my apologies.
W so are you amenable to uh modify your plan of operation to require an ID scan for every tobacco purchase?
Yes.
Right, madam chair, I'll make a madam chair.
I move to uh modify the plan of operation to require an ID scan in the point of sale for every tobacco transaction.
Okay, Mr.
Singh, you want to make that amendment?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
Alderman Peter Bergellis moves to amend the um plan of operation to reflect that a ID scanner will be used for every single um point of sale for a tobacco product.
Any discussion on that moment?
Every single tobacco transaction.
I did say that.
Every single sale of a tobacco product.
Thank you.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item?
Corner food mart on chambers.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the sixth Aldermanic district, Alder Woman Cogs.
Thank you, madam chair.
I just wanted to make sure that they were addressing the under a tobacco sales and with the amendment and with them firing the employee.
Um it seems that they've done that.
So I would just hope that you would move move um approval with a warning letter.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Well, we'll head into committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
I'll move approval with a warning letter.
Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves approval as amended with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Good luck to you, Singh family.
Thank you.
All right, we'll move on to our 11 a.m.
agenda item.
Josh Jeet Singh, agent for JS Petroleums LLC, extended hours establishments, filling station, food dealer, and weights and measures licenses renewal application for locust gas and food mart at 1432 West Locust Street.
Good afternoon.
Hi.
The afternoon.
Oh wow, it is probably Mike, you should take the microphone and then sir.
You can have that one.
I could share with the Alder Woman's.
Okay, very good.
Um would you like to introduce yourself, Council?
Sure.
Attorney Mike Mazelman, I'm licensed in Wisconsin, but I'm not in good standing.
Gotta go.
We'll appreciate that joke somewhat.
We hope it's a joke.
All right.
Um break standing.
All right.
And sir, will you raise your right hand?
We'll get you swung in.
Do you solve your family and depends on penalty suburbs of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is a true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
True.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Yeah, do you sing?
8843 South Labor Court to Oak Creek, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On six 925 at 65 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a troubled subject.
The caller stated a subject was outside yelling.
The subject was no longer scene.
On 623 25 at 438 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to welfare of a citizen.
The caller stated two subjects were passed out in the car with needles in their arms and two kids in the vehicle.
This was a base this was baseless as the subjects were alert and no needles and kids were left.
Uh we're fine.
On 817 uh 25 at 1201 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a stolen um item.
This uh had nothing to do with the business, and the caller's uh stolen credit card was used at the location.
On 12 1325 at 310 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a shot spotter.
The officer located eleven casings in front of the entrance.
The employees stated two subjects were arguing inside the store, and upon leaving one of the subjects fired rounds in the air.
The business was cooperative, however, did not call the police regarding the incident.
On 4626 at 1220 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a battery.
The caller stated the business refused service, and a subject escorted them uh escorted them out and proceeded to punch them in the face.
The employee stated they did refuse service as a subject of frequent shoplifter, however, was not aware of what transpired after they followed out the an unknown male who loiters in the at the business.
Okay, thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Thank you.
Thank you, Sergeant.
Um so it's looks like there's only what five uh uh items on the police report.
They're kind of spread out a couple in June, one in August, December, and then in April.
The only one that I see that jumps out is on uh the item number 35, where um my client's employee did not call the police.
Uh he took action, he fired that employee, and he's he does train them.
He tells them no matter what, call up the police when something happens and not to be concerned about any PA 33s.
But he takes full ownership for that, and like I said, he fired the employee for that, and he has trained the employees before that and again after.
Okay, thank you.
Questions from committee members on the police report?
Questions from Alderwoman Cogs on the police report?
Um, yeah, for number 35, my question was gonna be why no call um and what has been done to the staff, so I'm glad that has been um addressed.
For number 36, maybe it's for the police department.
Um it says that the person who battered the customer that they deny was unknown, but he loiters at the business.
One second, ma'am.
Look at it again.
Freaking while he's looking, what are you all doing to address loitering?
Um well, we continue to chase people off, but more importantly, last year um the license would was granted with the conditions of uh security armed license bonded person from uh from 9 till 5 a.m.
daily, which we have, correct?
I uh believe I asked you to bring the proof that they're bonded and they're not like some neighbor walking around with a long gun.
So so we have it if the committee wants to see it.
So he's complied with the conditions from last year.
I also might want to note that in 2024, he just got a warning letter.
Okay, are you ready, Sergeant?
Yes, I'm sorry, uh elder woman.
Uh, can you uh explain your uh uh repeat the question, please?
So uh item 36 is speaks to um the customer getting um punched by an unknown person, but it's a person who loiters at the business.
Um was it was he?
Is he unknown to police?
Um according to the report, it's unknown to the clerk that was working there.
Was video or anything else looked at with this incident?
It's not uh clear whether a video was looked at.
It doesn't it doesn't appear so, ma'am.
Do you know why it wouldn't be?
Because you all have videos outside, right?
Yes, how many cameras?
Yeah, the card that didn't go to the other corner, they not guys the camera.
Since they had no victim, they didn't look at the video.
Oh, okay.
All right, thank you.
That's all.
Okay.
Do we have can I ask real quick uh on the video?
Do we have fuses?
Do you have your outside cameras?
We have 16 cameras.
No, no, no.
Are they are the outside cameras wired into MPD?
Because if they're not, we'll I think we should do that.
We know we know undergoing wire.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Locust gas and foodmart.
Yeah, did you okay?
One person, nobody else is here on locust gas and foodmart.
Okay.
Who's here on locust gas and food?
Our second person just stood up.
Is that it?
All right.
Is anybody on virtually for locust gas and foodmart?
All right.
Very good.
Thank you for being here.
Will you both raise your right hand?
We'll get you sworn in right away.
You as well, sir.
Do you tell me if I'm on the defensive benefit of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you have you're about to give?
Is it true the whole truth and a film with the truth?
Yes.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Did he both get swine in?
Yep.
Okay.
Great.
If you want to start, sir, I'll put two and a half minutes on the clock.
And then um, you can state your name and address and go right into your remarks.
Yes, uh, my name is Eddie Williams.
My address is 2925 North Eleven.
Thank you.
Um, I think the gas station deserve to be open 24 hours because I got newborn kids, grandkids, that need milk and extra things that we may miss the store be working late at times.
So on my behalf, I think is great to be open.
Well, thank you for your testimony.
If you'll stay there for questions, any questions for this neighbor from committee members?
Any questions from Alderwoman Cogs for this neighbor?
Any questions from the applicant?
No, thank you, but thanks for coming down here.
Okay, thank you very much, sir.
Sir, if you want to start with your name and address and then go right into your marks, you have two and a half minutes.
Yes, my name is Jermaine Robison.
My address is 2925 North 11th Street.
Uh I came here on behalf of Locus Food Mark in support of Jesse, who I think runs a good business and he tries to keep away people who are bad for business.
Um, and I'm confident that he would make the necessary steps to make it better.
Very good.
Thank you for your testimony.
If you'll stay there for any questions, questions for this neighbor from committee members?
Questions from Alderwoman Cogs for this neighbor?
No.
Questions from the applicant for this neighbor.
No, madam chair.
Thank you very much, Chef.
We appreciate your testimony today.
All right.
Okay.
Well, that concludes our neighborhood testimony.
With that, we are in the sixth Aldermanic district.
Alder Woman Cogs.
Uh thank you, Madam Chair.
I would um I would hope to move um approval um with a warning letter.
Um, and just to be fair, um I sighted warning letter primarily because of item 35.
Had there not been a shot spotter um because of the lack of call.
It might not even be a PA 33.
Um, and I'm glad that he's taking action about that staff parson.
But I still think that's desired with not a warning letter.
Thank you.
We would not object.
Thank you.
All right, we'll head into committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
Move approval with a warning letter.
Thank you so much.
Alderman Peter Brigellas moves for approval with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing not so ordered.
Thank you.
Good luck to you, sir.
All right, we'll move on to our 1105 a.m.
agenda item.
Scott P.
Thompson, agent for Bridgeman Foods 2 Inc.
Extended Hours Establishments and Food Dealer Licenses Renewal Application with change of agent for Wendy's restaurant number two at 633 West North Avenue.
Good to see you again.
Um, the member may not have an eighth.
All right.
All right, Mr.
Thompson.
Um, shall we get everybody sworn in again?
Uh yes, they left the room where you're going to be able to do that.
Okay.
Yes, if we can get everybody to raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in again.
The Usoni if I'm on the Pens and Penetiza Burger of the State of Wisconsin that the testimony testimony you wrote to give is it to the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you all.
Um I know I see the attorney as well.
Did you want to introduce yourself, attorney?
Yes, Lauren present on behalf of Bridget 2.
Okay, thank you.
And then um Mr.
Thompson, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And then will you each state your name and address for the record?
Uh Scott P.
Thompson, uh 8681 South Avian Way, Franklin, Wisconsin, 53132.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
Marquisha Alexander, address 2773 North 18th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53206.
Thank you.
All right.
Roy Simpson, 4264 West Pine Boulevard, St.
Louis, Missouri, 63108.
Thank you.
All right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Codneho, is there a police report?
No, no police reports.
All right.
Is this okay?
What is it?
G got scheduled for an objection.
It's we know the change of agent.
Oh, yes, change of agent.
Yes.
Okay, very good.
Um, shall I ask for neighbors, Alderwoman Cogs, or do you want to chime in right now?
Neighbors.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
For Wendy's and North Ave.
Okay.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the sixth Aldermanic district.
Alderwoman Cogs.
And Alderwoman for clarification.
This is a change of agent, but they have shown a willingness in a previous hearing to discuss the previous premise report, as they understand that this is a perpetuating business.
It's just that the name on the agent um form is going to be changing, um, though it's not standard practice, nor is it legally required.
They have at least previously agreed to address those items that were on the police report previous.
So on my on my printout, the the line stops um after 14, which generally with me, the 15 and 21 are relevant or 22 are relevant.
And then that again, I don't know when the change of agent request was submitted, but it could have affected again what has been um addressed by Sergeant Cornejo as being part of the PA 33.
Um because he said there were no reports again because of the the change of agents.
So the change of agent effectively creates a a bit of a wall, as it were, um, understanding that sometimes business agents change, and that means that those previous premise reports or those previous instances will cease.
Uh again, there's a change in agent, there's a change in responsibility.
So the responsible party has changed.
In agency, not an ownership.
Yeah.
So even if ownership remains the same, just because you change the agent, you no longer have to be responsible for the police report.
It's it's the way that we have it set up, and that I'm getting a nod from licensing that is currently how it is set up.
Yes.
That would be a question for MPD.
I think it's uh MPD procedure.
So ownership could remain the same, but you could just switch to your agent and not have to address the police report.
That's correct, that's how I was trained, unfortunately.
We can talk about this after the meeting, but I strongly question that.
Yeah, Alder Stamper was also in question.
If that's the case, every time you get a murder or whatever, you just switch the audience.
And yeah, this is probably a this is probably discussion best for offline.
Yes.
Yeah.
I agree.
Yeah, we we understand, I mean, completely in conversation earlier, the the situation, it was just a basic agent change, same organization.
Bridgeman Foods has been operating this restaurant for almost 40 years now.
Um same ownership, just a change in it from my father who retired to myself, uh, got Marquisha, the district manager here, as well as Royce Simpson, our DVP who operates our 140 Wendy's restaurants in the Bridgman organization.
So understand this is kind of a I definitely want to address the 15 to 22.
Yeah, I'll just before we get into Wendy's, because this did just come up again in Stampers District.
So uh Alder Woman Cox, this didn't used to be the case in the past.
No.
Okay.
Not that I'm aware of.
And it it sounds like it was a process that was put into place by MPD.
I I from what I recall, that's always been the process, but it would be a question for MPD.
I think they do have an SOP that states how it's run, but I'm not MPD, so I can't speak to that.
Okay.
All right.
Well, certainly uh same with Alderman Alderman Stampers.
We stamper we talked about discussing this offline to see if something had to be done legislatively to remedy it.
I'll follow up with an email to all the interested parties here.
Thank you.
Um but with that, uh Mr.
Thompson is willing to discuss the police report that um absolutely that you mentioned Alder Woman Cog's items 15 to 22.
Is that right, Mr.
Thompson?
Yes, yes.
Um right.
All right.
Well, as always, thank you for the the partnership.
Um again, Wendy's wants to be a good steward of the com the community.
Uh we look at this year's report.
Um, again, the thing that really jumps out for for us is uh you know, some of the altercations uh that happened in the restaurant.
We really trained our managers to de-escalate and prevent these issues from getting too far and just you know make the customer happy.
Umfortunately have some situations with Doordash that showed up on this report here, three of them.
Um resulted in damaging, one where a DoorDash driver brought a weapon to the restaurant.
Um so again, we'll just kind of re continue to revisit those um procedures for disescalation, as well as you know, work with DoorDash to make sure that drivers that come to the restaurants that do place threats or aggressive get banned from coming back to us.
Um and then, you know, the one that at the top number 15 uh with the you know, we had a fight between two groups of minors.
One group was eating the restaurant, uh, the other one came in and attacked them.
Our our managers did uh you know the best they could to break it up and separate and call the police right away.
And I think as you look at the reports, um our general manager there, David and and help with Keisha, our district manager, you know, we always instruct them to call the police whenever they feel threatened or wherever they feel like hey, this is something that's outside their control, they can't remedy to call the police, and and you can see that throughout the reports.
But uh again, just um for us is continue to train, continue to work on de-escalation and um you know try to prevent these issues from happening in the restaurants.
All right, thank you.
Questions from committee members for Mr.
Thompson at this time?
Questions from Alderwoman Cox for Mr.
Thompson?
Um for item or or either Mr.
Thompson or MPD for item 15, call the police.
Okay.
Um when the incidences that occurred that uh had to do with um DoorDash, did you all report it to DoorDash?
Yeah, it gets it gets reported DoorDash, and then we're able to prevent them from coming back to pick up at a restaurant.
Okay.
For number eighteen, I read the extended report and I read this report.
I guess I'm trying to get a better understanding of what really happened.
And I don't know if you have a exclamation or if the police have a one of the with the DoorDash driver that was disgruntled with David that came back in.
Actually, he called the police, and he was still in the building when the police actually arrived.
It was him and another person that was in the vehicle.
He came inside with the gun, and um by that time Dave was calling me and was letting me know, so I told him I said contact the police right away.
So by the time he called the police, the gentleman was still in there.
But when he saw the police walk in from the other door, he ran out the other door down the alley and tossed the rifle over in the neighbor's yard.
So he was taken, they actually caught him in the back of the building, and um the young lady that was in the car, they questioned her, but they told his vehicle.
And right away, as soon as the incident happened, after he talked to police, he called DoorDash and let them know who what order he was picking up and everything.
Um did he flash his weapon to the workers?
He had it.
It was like literally hanging out of his clothes.
It was just that big.
That's correct.
Yeah, everything was recorded.
It was all a video.
All right.
Thank you.
That's all the questions I have.
Okay, thank you.
Oh, wait, I have one more.
Do you have security?
We do not have security.
Have y'all thought about it?
We we've explored it a few times, and it's just for our business model, it's really the cost standpoint.
It's it's really hard for us to get into.
Um, and we've had some prior experiences with security guards where they've almost caused more harm than help.
So again, we'd always be willing to look at into it again, but in the past we looked at it was really uh a cost issue, uh, as well as we've had some prior experience with security guards that almost made the situation worse for us.
Do you lock the lobby at a certain time?
Yes, at eight o'clock.
A lot of that stuff was in the morning, dad.
Yeah, that's that's the that's the hard part, is it it happens during the day.
Yes, all in the daytime.
All right, thank you.
Thank you, everyone.
And Ms.
Alderman, we also have installed envisioned cameras, so there's lots of HD pro-colored cameras that are live streamed at all times.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Um and has DoorDash been responsive when when you try to let them know about these issues?
Yeah, I mean, they they're responsive, they're very responsive.
Um again, they're of a business of trying to protect.
Um it is, you know, DoorDash, they're in the dashes are independent contractors, so you know they don't want that out in the restaurants either, so they pretty much stop them from being able to deliver pick up from any restaurant.
So thank you.
Are there any neighbors present that we should testify on this item today?
Oh, did I?
Thank you.
All right, well, then very good.
Alder we're in the sixth aldermanic district, Alderman Cax.
Um thank you.
Uh Madam Chair, I would um I should ask some of approval.
Very good.
All right.
Alderman Alex Brower makes that motion.
Alderman Alex Browner moves for uh approval.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you.
Hey, thank you very much.
I know it's kind of a unique situation, eh?
So I appreciate you kind of walking up with us.
Appreciate it.
Thank you very much for the first time.
Thank you, Mr.
Thompson.
Good to see you all.
All right.
As was mentioned earlier, um, although we will shorten our break, um, the committee is going to take a brief 15 minute break, and then we will be right back.
Um we're we're on our eleven ten AM agenda item.
Tina L.
Johnson Williams, agent for Joe Will LLC, Class B Tavern Public Entertainment Premises and Food Dealer Licenses Renewal Application for Savoys at twenty nine oh one North Dr.
William Finlayson Street.
All right, good afternoon.
Thank you for your patience.
Um good to see you, attorney.
Hey, good we're good morning.
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Would you like to introduce yourself, Concord?
Sure, it's attorney Kenyatta Riley up here on behalf of the uh the licensee.
Thank you.
And then Ms.
Johnson Williams, will you will you raise your right hand?
We'll get you sworn in.
You're about to give is it true, the whole truth and if you want the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Tina Johnson Williams.
Um two nine oh one North Fifth Dr.
William Finley Finlayson Street.
Thank you.
Okay, Sergeant Cordneh, is there a police report?
On six eleven twenty-five at twelve sixteen AM, Walky police were dispatched to a battery at twenty-nine oh one North William Finleason Drive.
The business denied any physical fight took place, however, after viewing video surveillance officers, did observe a subject wearing a badge around their neck, holding the victim while another subject punched the victim in the face.
So um I would be more comfortable if we addressed it maybe next time.
Okay.
Um so we will refrain from reading in what's included as six, I believe, in those packets available to committee.
So again, we're not addressing number six.
We'll also make a motion or whenever we make a motion, that'll be withheld and then addressed in a subsequent hearing.
Um as again, it wasn't included in the notice packet and was included instead of an addendum that may or may not have been um properly noticed or accepted as noticed.
Um so again, we're just gonna address number five um in your packets.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you for with holding.
Okay.
So basically we're holding number six open.
Yes, yes.
Six is gonna be held open by request of the applicant because again, they're not um they're not accepting service or accepting notice of a piece that was added in addition.
The notice as accepted was the one that they were presented, which only includes one item, the number five item.
All right.
Again, by their discretion.
I mean, if they want to address number six, they should be given some time to review it.
They should also have some time to to take with their counsel.
So and they don't want to address that now.
Right.
They don't have it in front of them at all right now.
So all right.
Um, very good.
Alderman Cox.
You got you heard all that?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Would you like to speak to the police report then?
The one item?
Yes.
Um, as far as item number five, uh the uh we take responsibility for that.
Um it apparently um happened on the patio.
Um as far as the it was not an employee um of the company or security guard of um the company that was involved in that looking at um I'm looking at the report, it appeared that they were saying there was appeared to be a badge or necklace or necklace around the individual.
Uh again, that the the alleged person that was um allegedly holding uh the alleged victim uh was not an employee or staff or security um of the company.
Now at that time uh they had roving security guards going in and out of the bar, so on the inside of the bar, interior of the bar, the outside, and they're roving on the patio.
So this incident was able to take place because at that time uh there was not a permanent security guard um that was man in that patio area.
That's why apparently when uh the alleged victim reported it to authorities, uh Ms.
Johnson or no one no one else knew about it.
Apparently she didn't report it to the staff.
Um she must have just went to the police department and reported to them.
That's when the officers would have came uh to thereafter the officers would have came to the bar and viewed the video, and that would have been the first time that Ms.
Johnson noticed that.
Um part of that currently now we have a permanent person who monitors the video at all times, so that if anything does go down, that person can alert the remainder of the staff about the incident.
Um and as well.
Um the security staff that was employed there at that time, uh, many if not all were let go.
We brought in a new security staff, um, and that they as well provided a security plan of action.
I just provided a copy over to Auder Lady Cods.
If any of you want a copy of that um as well, can provide got extra copies that can provide a copy of that to you.
Um they currently have prolific arms LLC as a security company, and they are all uh bonded and licensed.
Um I myself met with the staff when this became aware to Ms.
Johnson and myself about the incident.
I believe Ms.
Johnson did in fact go to the police department um the district five and talked to I believe it was the captain as well.
There may have been uh Otterman Cox or a representative from our office about the incident.
Um she strived to maintain um communication and conduct uh communication and contact with district five.
As I said earlier, I myself, I went down, I met with the staff, um, we talked about implementing a new action plan, which in fact we have done.
I think I personally uh was there uh approximately two to three weeks myself um to oversee um the trend the transfer of the security action plan and security of the guards.
I spoke to all the new guards myself, got all their information.
Um made talk to talk to them about their training and their background um and that the necessity that they have to be involved, they have to intervene, they have to keep in communication with local police.
While I was there, I know officers from District Five were drove around.
They in fact got out their car, they talked to Ms.
Johnson to um so it was a I think it was a good collaboration between the parties while I was there too, um, a separate investigation with Milwaukee County Sheriffs.
Uh they came there to investigate uh unrelated um alleged crime.
Um, and Tina gave them access to her video cameras for them to help investigate again an unrelated crime.
So she has the purpose of uh being uh a good person or good neighbor in the community.
Um we they she there's flyers that's been given out to patrons and to the neighbors giving them Ms.
Johnson's personal cell phone number if there's any issues, any problems, she had they have direct contact to Miss Johnson.
So she's making the effort to make sure this doesn't happen again.
With the new guards, there's a total of new seven new guards, um two permanently on that patio area when the patio was open.
There's um I think four inside and there's one outside that's monitoring the outside area too.
So um again, I think we're trying to make all um possible efforts to make sure um this type of incident doesn't take place again.
Again, we take responsibility for uh that missed action.
Um fortunately uh it doesn't appear that um anyone was severely injured, there was no weapons involved and things like that.
Um but she takes it seriously and she's always open to any advice or recommendations by law enforcement and and by uh the order people.
Thank you, attorney.
Questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions from Alderman Cox on the police report?
Or the police were you able to identify a person in the video as the person?
Does that appear so what happened?
Um I read the police the incident report, the whole report.
Um the day of this incidents of the victim or the complainants um all parties involved, they basically basically uh squashed it and uh went their separate ways.
However, the victims had a pain has started feeling pain, went to the hospital and then discovered that she had broken ribs, which prompted her to go to police station days later to report this incident.
Well, I believe this went to the DA's office.
Um their attorney can you use the microphone?
Sorry.
For the applicant or their attorney, um, as I read the details, the person who the um patron got into an artification with the police report says it was your niece.
It was that true?
No.
It what the thing about Miss Johnson, there's a lot of people, patrons that come in younger and they view her as uh auntie or mom type figure.
So I think the reference was T T is you know, as Ottoman, all their lady cocks, and many of you may know sometimes I get called unc or pops by all young many of young people, which I don't necessarily take as a compliment.
I don't think I'm a cops yet, but um nonetheless, auntie or TT is an expression that many um in our community use to address an older person and which they may to some extent look up to.
So I guess from the police department was the person who um got into the artificiation with the patron related to the applicant.
No.
No, it's correct what um what the agent said is that she referenced everybody as they knowing each other and that's just terms that they use to as a relationship.
Okay.
I guess to the applicant, who was the person who beat up the patron?
If just stayed if it I have no idea.
So you all know her at all?
The individual that made the report was it customer?
I've never met the lady before.
Honestly, I've never and I know most of the customers, so I've never met the individual.
Um to the police, you said that it's been forwarded to the DA.
What's been forwarded?
If she don't know the person, do y'all know the person?
Unfortunately, I'm not gonna have a laptop till the next meeting, uh, so I can pull that report and read it up, read it over again.
Um I believe it did it was referred to the Dave's office, but the victim became uncooperative.
Thank you.
I'm down with my question.
Okay, thank you.
Um cox.
Um it is concerning to hear that the subject was wearing a badge around their neck.
Um is that something that you're watching for now?
Uh just so that uh patron that doesn't think that they're some authority figure.
Um it just it seems like it it was a dangerous um situation and perhaps yeah, exacerbated things.
Yeah, that's concerning.
So um security, they don't allow them to come in with those things with badges or weapons or anything, even if they do work with another security company, they're not allowed to come in like that because our security um have to be recognized.
So we don't want that mistake to happen again.
Very good, thank you.
All right, are there any neighbors present that are here to testify on this item today?
Savoys, either in person or virtually all right.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
With that, we're in the sixth elder manic district, Alder Woman Cogs.
Thank you.
For the licensing manager, what do they have on their um plan of operation for security?
For security responsibilities, they have listed uh door count ID check, pat down, stop noise and trouble uh for equipment.
They have radio and flash and a flashlight, handheld metal detector and ID machine, um security licenses and certification.
It says outsource company guaranteed protection.
Um then for searches and I identification it says ID EIFA ID scanner, PAT search, and a wand for uh handheld metal detector.
The police report said that the security in it were armed.
Is that not true?
Report double check that, but for my experience, I've been to Savoy's when I worked at District 5 a few times, and I I don't recall seeing armed security.
Well, there's there is one um individual um who's um at times does have a firearm.
That's something uncomfortable that um that order lady cogs may have.
That's something we can resolve.
But there is one individual um who's licensed to carry, and uh um he does have a firearm um exposed, not uh not concealed, open carry.
So um it's not a point of uncomfortability for me.
It's just when she said equipment, it's a flashlight and whatever whatever.
If you have armed security, you have armed security, that should be reflected um in the application.
That's all.
I'm not saying whether you should or should not have them.
I'm just saying whatever you have, it should be reflected um in the application.
The police report does say he had um the previous um security, which you've alluded to the fact that you've changed security had um was armed.
Is your current security armed?
And if so, we may need to amend the application so that it reflects that.
I think the company has also changed, so you may also need to amend to reflect that.
And madam chair, you may want to make their security plan just a part of the record as well.
Sure.
Um did you send that to licenses attorney, the plan?
We have not, we can do that today.
Okay, yes, we can uh make that part of the file.
Um did you have a hard cup you want to give us right now or I do I have should I?
And while they're doing that for the licensing manager, um, does it on the application say how many security and when they are present?
The current plan of operation just lists three to four security personnel.
It does not list the times for the applicant and their attorney, would you be willing to say the times that security will be present?
The times uh security is present at all times when the bar is open.
Um the number of security may fluctuate depending on the crowd anticipated crowd numbers.
Um Tuesday night is usually the uh most busy night unless they're wing night.
Um so that's when the maximum number of the security guards are present, but there's always security at all times.
And the maximum maximum number is four seven.
Seven, okay.
I believe there was also an invocation as to the specific security company, and since that's changed, I think that should likely either be reflected or stricken from the business plan of operation.
And we could simply say that a security company will be providing um security.
Um again, I don't want to bind them to a specific other organization.
We really have no primitive there.
Well, their plan of action security plan of action does indicate they're now working with prolific arms LLC.
So we'll just I think it was guarantee was the one addressed in the previous plan of operation.
Yeah, guaranteed protection.
Okay, do you want to amend your application to reflect I put probably remove guarantee and add proli and replace it with prolific?
That's correct.
All right, Elder Woman Pratt will um move to amend the application to reflect um the applicant is no longer working with what was it?
Prolific.
No, no, no longer with guarantee.
Guaranteed protection.
Yes, no longer with guaranteed protection, but rather is working with prolific arms.
I'll see.
Manager, I would also ask that the fact that security may be armed.
Um if that could be added along with that security should be present um always.
Yes, and the number of guards as well.
Okay.
Well, let's finish that.
So and hearing no objection, so ordered um to the initial amendment.
Then you're saying to reflect that there are seven security guards employed.
That's maximum maximum.
Three to seven.
Is that what three to seven security guards?
Some of whom may be armed.
Who maybe armed at all times?
At all times?
At all times.
There are three to five, three to seven security.
Okay, is that right?
Because I thought it was just Tuesdays and Saturdays.
He said all time.
All time.
So I think the bars open Tuesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.
Fridays.
Tuesdays, Friday, and Saturdays.
So three days a week and at all times they have security guard and they very well may be armed those three days.
Okay.
Okay.
So you would like to amend the application to reflect that you will have anywhere from three to seven security guards.
Um staffing at all times.
During business hours.
During during your business hours, some who may be armed.
Does that some I think that's correct?
Okay.
All right.
Then Alder Woman Pratt moves to amend the plan of operation to reflect that the applicant will employ three to seven security guards at all at all times during business hours, some who may be armed.
And hearing no objection to that motion, so ordered.
Also, Alder Woman Pratt moves to add the applicant's security plan of action to the plan of operation.
Uh just to the record.
Um, sorry, to the record.
And hearing no objection to that motion, so ordered.
All right.
Um and um thank you all for doing that.
Um and with that, I would um hope that you would move approval with a warning letter.
Okay.
All right.
Holding it up.
Alderman Alex Brower moves for approval as amended with a warning letter.
Holding open item number six.
That's correct.
On the police report.
Very good.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So and I guess number six will be added in the next for the next one.
Okay, all right.
It was from 2006.
Yeah, 2026 anyway.
So thank you.
All right, we will move on now to our 1115 a.m.
agenda item.
Julie Lucas, agent for Kismet Activations LLC, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premises, and Full Dealer, Food Dealer Licenses, Renewal Application, Removing Jukebox and one pool table, and adding two amusement machines for a total of seven instrumental musicians, disc jockey, karaoke, comedy acts, patrons dancing, and hookah services for summer of 85 at 2213 North Martin Luther King Junior Drive.
Good afternoon.
Hi.
Um all right.
If you'll both is one of you an attorney?
No.
Okay.
If you'll both raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Do you assume you affirm on the independence and penalty subverger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
All right, thank you so much.
Um Julie Lucas.
Yes.
Okay.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
I am.
Thank you.
And will you each state your name and address for the record?
So I'm Julie Lucas.
My address is 2360, North Terrace Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
Paul Burgess, 2360, North Terrace Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Thank you.
All right, very good.
Ums Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Gordonejo, is there a police report?
Uh 91725 at 8 p.m.
Walkie police were investigating a shooting that occurred across the street from the business.
The business assisted with the investigation by allowing officers to view video surveillance.
On 10 12 25 at 1226 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a troubled subject.
The business was called regarding an intoxicated subject causing a disturbance, refusing to leave.
The subject was no longer on scene upon officers' arrival.
32826 at 106 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to battery.
On arrival, officers observe security attempting to escort patrons out.
An argument sued between patrons and a security officer, at which time the officer observed a security officer swinging at a patron, however, did not make contact.
The security officer was on cooperative with the police officer.
Uh refusing to provide their information, as was the manager of the security company, the officer is employed with.
The business stated they were hosting a special event, and security company is not their usual act of security.
The business was cooperative with the investigation and stated they would attempt to gather video surveillance relevant to the incident provided to MPE.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Uh well, first of all, um I would like to thank the Milwaukee Police Department because they have been so responsive every time that we've ever needed support with anything.
So I'm thankful for that.
Um and uh as far as the police reports are concerned.
Um the first two items were uh items where or actually all three items are items where we had proactively reached out to the police.
Um the last one, the uh security officer that was in that incident, um, is no longer with the security uh firm that we use.
Um, and we also were very cooperative with the police in that incident, providing them with the uh uh video footage that they needed to research the uh the incident.
Thank you.
All right, questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions on the police report from Alderwoman Cox.
Just um for clarity, because in the um item number three, it speaks to um not using that security company not being your normal security company.
So is the security company referenced in item three still the company that you use, even though the particular officer may not longer be with them.
So the security company that's referenced, Midwest Elite Protection is our security company.
Um we didn't reference that they were not our security company.
What we referenced was that the guard that they had on was not uh one of our normal guards.
Um and so we've asked uh that that guard and another guard not not attend our door anymore, and their response to us was that they're no longer employed with the company.
Okay, yeah.
Um, for item number two that talks about somebody being intoxicated.
Were they over served at your establishment or before they came in?
They were overserved before they came to our establishment.
Um actually, all three of those individuals uh we removed them because they had been overserved and were causing problems.
Um so they were immediately taken out.
All right, thank you.
Yep.
All right, thank you.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Summer of 85.
Mr.
Lucas wanted to.
Did you have something you want to do?
Oh, I'm sorry, Mr.
Lucas.
I just want to make sure the record clear that we had nothing to do with that situation.
That was across the street.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just want to make it clear because you said all three situations.
I want to be we have to do that.
Yeah, sorry, that was my I misspoke.
Sorry about that.
The second one?
The first one with the shooting across the street.
That was that had nothing to do with our premise at all.
Okay.
Um the police had just come over to ask for video surveillance, which we provided them.
All right, thank you for that clarification.
All right, and are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Summer of 85.
Madam Chair.
Yes.
I I think I have a question for licensing.
Um this is attempting to go to seven gaming machines.
Um I believe we were capped at five at Class B's.
Uh no, the there is no limit for the amusement machines.
They are capped at five for specifically a specifically the gambling machines.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
So then they're good to go to seven.
I mean, depending on what happens.
All right.
We'll let the record reflect.
I'm showing there are no neighbors present to testify.
With that, we're in the sixth Aldermanic district.
Alder Woman Cox.
Thank you.
Um, Madam Chair.
I would just um hope that you all will move approval with a warning letter.
With with a warning letter.
Very good.
All right.
Well, with that, go ahead.
Move approval with a warning letter.
Okay.
Alderman Alex Brower must for approval with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Good luck to you.
Thanks.
All right.
We'll move on to our 1120 a.m.
agenda item.
Sandeep S.
Gill, agent for Gas and Go Enterprises, Inc.
Extended Hours Establishments, filling station, food dealer, and weights and measures licenses renewal application for Gas and Go Enterprises Inc.
at 1545 West Hopkins Street.
Is Sandeep S.
Gill present?
Yes.
All right.
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
If you'll raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Do you assume we inform on the dependency penalty suburbia of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you wrote to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes, I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Uh Mr.
Gill, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And if you'll please state your name and address for the record.
Thank you.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Gordnehouse there, police report.
915 25 at 11:30 a.m.
officer dispatched to walk for check.
A subject complained of pain to their feet.
Walkie fire treated the subject.
And after they were transported, after they were transferred to a local hospital by private ambulance.
The suspect was arrested for domestic violence.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report, Mr.
Gill?
Yes, I would.
So uh please uh review that.
Uh I'll try to explain everything in my own words.
Uh for the first incident on uh September 15, 2025.
Uh I personally was there at the uh at the business.
Uh the police came.
Uh I told the police exactly what happened.
Uh the business was not involved with this incident.
Uh I was cooperative with the police.
Um for the second incident uh on October 15, 2025.
Uh the employee uh the employee showed uh footage of the incident, uh police uh we were cooperative with the police, and uh there was no other violation.
Mr.
Martinez, can you mute yourself, please?
Hello?
Ms.
Can you mute yourself?
Okay, sorry, Mr.
Gill, go ahead.
Uh no problem.
Uh and the last thing I just wanted to say, there's uh there's been no history of this kind of incident before.
And uh we're really thankful that the police was uh able to uh resolve this problem in a quick manner.
So uh I'm I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you.
All right, questions from committee members on the police report.
Questions from Alderwoman Cogs on the police report um no.
Okay.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Gas and go enterprises on Hopkins.
Okay, let the record afflict.
There are no neighbors present to testify.
We're in the sixth Aldermanic district, Alder Woman Cogs.
I would hope that you all could um move approval.
All right.
Move approval.
Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing none, so ordered.
Good luck, Mr.
Gill.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right, we'll move on to our 1125 a.m.
agenda item.
Gorinder S.
Nagra, agent for 408 West North Av, Inc.
Extended Hours Establishments, filling station, food dealer, and weights and measures licenses, renewal application for U.S.
Gas and Food Mart at 408 West North Avenue.
All right, good afternoon.
Good to see you again.
All right, but I think we'll still swear him in, yes.
Can we swear you in again, Mr.
Nagara?
Thank you.
The Sony inform on the dependence and penalties of perjury of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you wrote to give is the truth, the whole truth and of him but the truth.
Yes, I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay, will you state your name and address for the record?
Yeah, Gorinda S Naggill, 6980, South 35th Street, Franklin, 53132.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Okay, Sergeant Gordon, is there a police report?
On 71825 at 212 a.m.
officer dispatched to an armed robbery.
The victim reported on 71725 at 909 p.m.
He was at the business sitting in his vehicle.
Two suspects approached him, pointed a long gun and demanded his property.
On 1226 at 9 06 p.m.
officers were dispatched to a threat complaint.
An unknown subject threatened to harm an employee due to an incident with family member that was stealing, which they believe was handled too aggressively.
On 315 26 at 1135 p.m., walkie police received a threat complaint.
An unknown suspect entered the business and threatened to shoot an employee while pointing a handgun at them.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report, sir?
Yes, ma'am.
The first one, I'm in on the cashier could not see what was going on outside.
It happened outside.
And when the police came in, we were cooperated with the police.
We showed them the video and everything.
The second complaint uh uh teenager was trying to steal some stuff and the case here went outside and grabbed a bag of chips from him.
Third one was uh some altercation with the cashier where uh customer threatened and showed him a gun.
And we called the police and we sure uh it was uh shown on the video too.
Okay, thank you.
Questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions on the police report from Alderwoman Cox.
All right.
Um are there any neighbors present that we should testify on this item today?
U.S.
Gas and Food Mart on North Avenue.
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We're in the sixth Aldermanic district.
Alder Woman Cox.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um I would just want to say to the um applicant.
I know that a lot of work is being done in this North Avenue corridor and that no way, yeah, North Avenue Corridor, and that uh you're right across the street from America's Black Holocaust Museum, and I know that they've been working with you all um as well to try to figure out ways to secure the whole corridor.
Um I would just encourage you to continue to work, not just with the museum, but with um your surrounding neighbors, um, so that we can continue to uh try to make the area even better.
Um and with that I would just ask that you all will move approval.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right, Alderman Peter Bergellis moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Good luck, Mr.
Hunger.
Thank you.
Okay, we'll move now to the 1130 a.m.
agenda item.
Sherry R.
Evans, Class B Tavern and Public Entertainment Premises Licenses application requesting jukebox, one poll table, and two amusement machines for Lil Wills Tap at 3200 North Booth Street.
Good afternoon.
I'm sorry, I want my jacket in the hallway.
I wasn't expecting to be here that quickly.
Hi there.
Um right.
Will you raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn, Mrs.
Evans?
Do you saw me if I'm on the dependence of penalty suburbs of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you were about to give is a true the whole truth and a few of the truth?
Yes, I do.
Thank you.
Did you want to introduce yourself?
Sure.
Uh attorney uh Michael Maestelman on behalf of the applicant.
Thank you.
Miss Evans Cooper's in person, and we uh acknowledge your speech.
I'll have to say I know you do.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
We are.
Thank you.
All right, will you please state your name and address for the record, Miss Evans?
Sherry Evans, 6426 West Glenbrook Road, Brown Deer, Wisconsin, 53223.
Thank you.
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Okay, Sergeant Cordnejo, is there a police report?
No police reports.
All right, and it's a new application, right?
It is, but it would you want me to talk?
I mean, sure, you painted mine.
All right.
So very briefly, uh, Miss Evans um sister passed away who had been operating this for many, many, many years.
Um, and um, so she's taking it over.
Um, I've been in touch with the Alder Woman about this um for a while now.
Um, and you know, we're gonna continue to operate it in a good safe, uh, neighborly friendly way that her sister um of blessed memory um had has run it.
Prior to that, my father, he initially owned the bar in '95.
So the bar has been in business since 1995.
Thank you.
Family family business.
Yes.
Nice.
Thank you.
Um, I do have a question for licenses.
How come Miss Evans wouldn't have been wouldn't have been able to just do a change of agent like we've had a couple of times already today?
Let me look at the record.
This one is also proprietorship.
Uh let me check what the previous license was.
Just a cure curiosity for license division.
Um, but while she's checking, are there any questions for the applicant from committee members at this time?
Any questions from Alderwoman Cox for the applicant at this time?
Okay.
Madam Chair.
Yes.
The license that was under his sister was also under a sole proprietorship, so with the death of the licensee, they can reorganize to a family uh like next of kin.
They can reorganize either as a LLC or under the sole proprietorship.
So it I'm not sure why they applied new versus doing the transfer, but that could have been an option.
When when we met with um licensing, we got the impression that we had to do it this way.
But I I you know I have been wrong in the past.
I don't want to throw the licensing under the bus, but that was our understanding when we met with them.
Okay.
No, thank you.
That's just a little context for us.
It's a discussion we're having.
Umright very good.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Lil Wills tap on Booth Street.
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the sixth Elder Manic District, Elder Woman Cogs.
Yeah, I first wanna um give my condolences um to the applicant and her family.
Um this um bar holds a special place in the hearts of many members of my family.
Um and so I would hope that today you all um would move um approval.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Move approval.
Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
Good luck to you, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
We'll move on to our eleven thirty-five AM agenda item.
Rana F.
Anwar, agent for Azan, L L C filling station and weights and measures licenses renewal application for Center Street BP at 406 West Center Street.
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
All right.
If you will raise your right hand, Mr.
Anwar.
Do you solve the firm on the dependence of penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you were about to give is it true, the whole truth and a few with the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Well, I'm not on work.
406 West Center Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53212.
Thank you.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cordonejo is there, police report.
How but manager?
Yes.
Did we read the police report last time?
Because if you remember this was held last time.
Oh yeah, I do.
I know y'all been here long.
I don't want to put yeah through this.
The big if if members if it's okay, madam chair.
If members recall this was held last time.
The biggest issue out I met with the owner, I met with the police with the owner.
The biggest issue was I had not seen the plan of abatement.
He has since submitted that plan of abatement.
It should be, is it already on the record?
I think so.
Not seeing anything.
Do you have anything on the ebook, Yadira?
Uh let me see because eleven thirty-five.
I don't see it here in the file.
No.
That was sent to me after no.
I sent it to the end of the call and uh No, I've seen it.
I know you did.
And uh I know you did.
So for the Madam Chair, can we hold this uh and then add it to the consent agenda for the special?
Yeah, my biggest thing is I would have just asked you all for a letter.
I I really just wanted him to do the plan of abatement.
Um and he did.
Um but what I would what I would also say, and I want to say publicly, because I know the special isn't um isn't public.
I do want to say this.
Um I recognize that you're in a challenging area.
And I also recognize that um a lot of the stuff on the um police support is not necessarily your fault.
But I also recognize that you have to figure out a way to be able to coexist in the neighborhood that you're in, because people have run this place before you without all of this um police the necessity for police um assistance.
Part of the working with the police and having you develop this plan with them and getting security and all of those things is is to help you be able to not have to come back to us next year with all of that.
If there is a continuance of a whole bunch of police records, it's less about what's your fault to me and more about whether you can handle a license there.
So I'm more than willing to give you that opportunity and support a license here with the plan today, once it's a part of the record, but please know that I may not have that kind of support in the future if it does not appear that you can handle it.
No, no, I'm just willing to do everything like I you have to use the microphone.
Oh, sorry.
Like I attend the crime and safety clause at least two months now.
And I'm continuing to do again because that's how I can know how can I handle and I have a security guard like a writer turning in there.
So I will make sure everything will be smooth and clean.
We clean the law like every two hours now.
So people know this thing is safe and clean.
So I will make sure everything will be safe and continue to move.
The only I'm fine with being held.
The only thing I would ask for is that you make sure it's no neighbors here to testify first.
Okay.
And then did we thanks for reminding me we held this the last time we read the police report in full the last time we convened on this item.
Okay.
Um are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Center Street BP on Center Street.
All right.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify today.
With that, um, I think we shall hold it to the call of the chair in hopes of scheduling it on the uh for the special on July 31st.
If you can make sure we get that plan of abatement in.
Um department.
Focus, should I drop it or yeah, if you have it with you, you can stop by the office now and drop that off.
If not, you can send it via email to license.
I have in my car right now.
I can yeah, you can stop by the office and uh submit a copy.
And uh downstairs to let the license one oh five.
You want to send me another heading in the letter or um you shouldn't have to, if everything goes well, he shouldn't have to appear on the 31st.
As long as you get that in to us.
Oh we should be able to, and assuming everything is good.
Okay, so he's gonna tell you to go on the consent.
Okay, so I don't need to come every if everything is okay.
You're gonna send me a license and everything, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
But you gotta make sure you get those things over to the license division.
Oh, I will drop it now.
Okay.
All right, thank you so much.
All right, thank you.
Okay, very good.
Thank you, Alderman.
Alder Woman Cox.
Okay, so did we say Alder Woman Pratt?
You held it to the call of the chair?
Uh Alder Woman Pratt holds this item to the call of the chair and hearing no objections, so ordered.
Um we'll move on to our 1140 a.m.
agenda item.
Alma R.
Juarez Martinez, agent for Tacos Almita, LLC, food peddler license renewal application with change of base for Tacos Almita LLC at 7 30, 734 South Fifth Street.
All right, good afternoon.
Okay.
Are you guys good?
Okay.
I thought we emailed earlier and told everyone that's not.
We did, it's just we were behind, I forgot to text.
Okay, so we'll get somebody up here.
Um does the next one too host uh Alderman Pedas in the edge?
Yes.
All right, so we you wanna hold it and bring up cruise, or do you wanna wait?
Alderman Petas.
Sure.
Okay.
Okay, and Parabenia traduce it.
Um so the HMICOM e umas momentito no mask.
All right, so um Alder Woman Pratt moves to hold our eleven forty item to the call of the chair while we were wait for an interpreter.
Umder woman Pratt hold moves to hold our 1 p.m.
item to the call of the chair, as we are also waiting for an interpreter for that one.
But we will check uh take up now our second one p.m.
agenda item at this point, Serge Belly Selly.
Did I say that right?
Belliselli.
Agent for Cruz, LLC.
Um Class B Tavern and Public Entertainment Premises Licenses Renewal Application with change of floor plan, adding second floor for crews at 354 East National Avenue.
All right, good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, good afternoon.
All right, and are you the attorney, sir?
Yes, I am.
Okay, do you want to introduce yourself?
I will.
So the applicant appears by their agent and sole owner, Serge Pelicelli and attorney John Germanato.
Very good.
Thank you, attorney.
Well, um, will both Elder Man Petas and the applicant raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Yeah.
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you both so much.
All right.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
We are.
Thank you.
Um will you please state your name and address for the record, Mr.
Sales Pedit, 1635 not far in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53202.
Thank you.
Um all right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Oh, sorry.
I think there's a hold for occupancy.
Thank you.
Um, Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
Yes, uh 615 25 at 136 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to trouble the subject.
The caller stated there was sexual activity in the parking lot.
The officers did not observe anyone in the lot, and the business stated they did not observe any sexual activity in the lot on 6 15 25 at 8 11 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to susp to a suspicious person.
The caller stated there was sexual activity in the woods behind the business.
The officer did not find anyone or evidence of any activity taking place on 7625 at 142 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a subject with weapon.
The employee stated a fight transpired between patrons.
However, they quickly dispersed when they became aware police were on their way on 7165 at 1102 p.m.
Walkie police conducted license promise check.
No violations were found.
On 727-25 at 113 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a battery.
The business call regarding a subject who threw a candle holder and hit the bartender over the head with a bottle of liquor, causing the employee to receive stitches.
The business was cooperative.
What the investigation allowed officers to view video surveillance of the incident.
Walkie police were dispatched to a call for police.
The caller stated a Jeep was trying to run people over in the parking lot.
On 10 425 at 3 38 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a threat.
The business call regarding a subject who battered a bartender in the past was arguing with security.
However, fled prior to officers' arrival.
On 10 13 25 at 1 40 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a battery.
Victim stated another patron threw a glass at them, causing a small acceration.
The suspect left prior to officer's arrival and the victim refused medical attention or prosecution.
On 1031, 25 at 927 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to trouble the subject.
The business called regarding subjects using drugs and having sex in the woods.
The business called to request police assist them in removing the subjects.
On 1115 25 at 236 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a subject with weapon.
The business call regarding subjects arguing and making threats to each other with glass bottles across the street.
All subjects were gone on officers' arrival.
On 1213, 25 at 2 a.m.
walkie police were dispatched to a property damage.
The business call regarding a subject who struck their parked vehicle, then fled.
On 12, 29, 25 at 155 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to a subject with weapon.
The business call regarding a subject who attempted to punch the bartender regarding their bar tab.
On 1126 at 104 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to uh check a welfare call.
The business call regarding an intoxicated subject laying on the ground outside the business.
The subject was conveyed to a local hospital.
On 1626 at 8 03 p.m., walkie police were dispatched to call for police.
The business call regarding a subject causing a disturbance over a game of bar dice.
The subject was no longer unseen.
On 2A 26 at 155 p.m., walkie police were dispatched to a threat.
The business call regarding a subject who threatened to shoot up the bar.
The intoxicated subject stated they were not going to shoot up the bar.
The business wanted the subject banned from the bar.
On 3 30 26 at 202 a.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to trouble the subject.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Yes, yes.
Well, um, to the police report, I just would say that you know uh this uh license had the license for 20 years out of 36 statements on the um police report.
You know, the lion's sure in the past year.
It's been a difficult year.
Uh if you count them up, there were four or five incidents of people having a sex uh in or on the premises.
We'll take tell you what we're doing about that.
Uh ten of the other incidents, the troublemaker had left the premises before the police even got there, showing that our people on the scene do act, call the police, but take care of the problems themselves, and there's nothing for them to do.
Okay.
Uh in summary.
Okay.
Um we can go through incident by incident, but I think you you've heard the details.
Um there have always been cooperation.
The calls to the police are made by personnel.
That's why they come.
Personnel takes care of the problems.
Um beyond that, uh, I just want to point out this amendment as read maybe is a little larger than you anticipate.
What happened here is there's a room.
I'm sorry, attorney.
What amend?
Pardon me.
An amendment?
Uh the the proposed there's a change on the license.
Oh, okay.
Okay, can we can we wrap up the police report first before we go to the change on the license?
Um, I think I've just summarized the position.
Yes, you did.
I just gotta ask if folks have questions.
And can I actually have you repeat your name again?
We're just recording it for our notes.
John, J O H N.
I'll spell the last name.
G-E-R.
M-A-N-O-T-A.
Thank you.
Um, are there questions on the police report from committee members at this time?
Are there questions on the police report from Alderman Bettis?
Um, I I would just ask the applicant to talk a little bit about some of the mitigation.
Um we we've had a conversation and uh 16 items on the report.
Uh it is a lot of calls for service and some commitments were made around tightening up uh their plan of operation and management to to limit that um a little bit and and to really get ahead of the issues.
A lot there's a lot of talk in the report about what happens outside and then the bushes and the parking lot.
The police haven't been able to substantiate uh any of it.
But they were more than willing to take some uh some mediation and some remedies and some solutions to that, and just wanted to make sure we get them on the record.
Okay.
Attorney.
Okay.
Again, the license has been there 20 years, no citations, no problems.
Okay, quite a record.
When this came up, and there are a lot of reasons for it, maybe.
Um the sexual activity.
Well, first of all, to get an idea of what the location here.
Okay.
He's on National Avenue, as far east as you can go.
To the east is Lake Michigan.
To the north is uh We Energy's plant.
To the uh west is uh railroad property.
The uh so-called and you hear it referred to as the cruise woods where this activity takes place allegedly.
That's not in our property.
That's railroad company property.
You put up a fence to prevent people from going there.
The fence was knocked down.
The plan now is to go through there and decrease the vegetation there, so it's you could say less private.
Also, we have um there's been a new security company in effect now, just now almost a year.
And we and I talked to the uh the chief operating officer there to yesterday.
They're going to assign more people, they're gonna patrol those areas with more people, and so the outside activity should be decreased.
In addition, substantial new lighting is being issued.
You have to apply to we energies because it's their polls and things like that.
So there's going to be more light to expose what's ever developing, and more people.
They are armed, the security people, it's called Phoenix Protection Agency's state license.
They are armed.
Um they've offered to have their vehicle sit in that parking lot, their company vehicle as uh you know halo effect, so to speak.
So steps have been taken there, very expensive steps.
But again, he's been there 20 years.
He had a great record until this till recently, and he wants to stay there.
I think it's key to know that their notices and complaints ever.
It's a pretty isolated place.
And I think it's also good to note that there are other, there's another bar, Boone and Crockett, that is located very close across the parking lot that has a special events that attract a lot of people.
Um so that's what we're doing, and that's a little idea of where they're located.
It's an isolated uh place.
Um I do want to point out um the plan of operation.
What happened here was the police came to check licenses and things like that.
And they also check to see if uh someone with a liquor license has their invoices, their supplier invoices.
And they say that the supplier invoices have to be on the licensed premises.
Surge had been keeping them both on computer on the license presence on the first floor, and upstairs in his little office.
He doesn't want anybody to be concerned about where he's keeping these licenses, so we're asking merely for a room that's eight by ten on the second floor to become part of the licensed premises.
That's it.
Okay, so he can keep his invoices up there.
He doesn't have to go down and look at his computer in his office in his employees can have a little break area.
That's the extent of what we're asking here.
Okay.
So again, based on his record, the steps he's taken, uh, the lack of complaints, uh we ask your consideration for renewal or uh acceptance of the application.
Okay, thank you.
Alderman Pedez?
Well, he covered he covered the mitigation that you asked.
But also, but he brought up that what he's asking for with the um change of the case.
Oh, okay.
Very good.
All right.
Um are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Cruise on East National Avenue.
All right.
Is that somebody on virtually on this item on cruise?
All right.
All right, then let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
Alderman Jackson, did you have something?
Okay.
Anyone else?
Okay, if not, I think we are in the 12th Aldermanic district.
Anything final, Alderman?
No, I I don't have um any objection.
Uh the applicant's been more than cooperative about a plan of action, and uh just look forward to next year not having anything on the police report.
Very good.
So do we.
Very good.
All right.
Well, with that, um, Alder Member Gallus, would you like to make a motion?
Alderman Peter Bergellis moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
So ordered.
Thank you.
Good luck to you.
All right.
Now I see we have yes.
We have an interpreter here in the room.
Thank you so much.
And then uh Alder Woman Pratt moves to reconsider our 1140 AM agenda item.
Alma R.
Juarez Martinez, agent for Tacos Almita LLC, food pillar license for no application with change of base for Tacos Almita LLC at 730, 734 South Fifth Street.
All right.
Do you want to um everybody if you can raise your right hand and I'll get everybody sworn in at once?
Do you solve on the depends on penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you were about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Alright.
Would you like to introduce yourself again?
Sylvia Facio 200 East Well Street License Division.
Thank you, Sylvia.
All right.
And then um for the applicant, Ms.
Juarez Martinez, are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes, thank you.
And then will you each state your name and address for the record?
Nombre direction by record.
Umbre is Alma Rubijuarez Martinez.
West Greenfield.
Alma.
The name is Alma Juarez addresses for uh 1400 West Greenfield Avenue.
Thank you, Senator.
Leonel Jimenez Martinez, Mil Quatrocentos West Greenfield Avenue.
Leonel Jimenez address is 1400 West Greenfield Avenue.
Thank you.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
No holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
All right.
This um got scheduled for an objection, right?
Alderman Perez from the health department.
Or neighbor objection objection.
There's an objection in the file.
Are you not 50 on any of the objection in the direct board?
Okay.
This uh application was uh filed for a name.
It looks like a neighbor objection objection.
It is in the file.
Um do we have any neighbors here in person to testify?
And tacos almita?
Okay, I have one person.
Anybody else?
Virtually or otherwise.
Okay, it looks like we have one neighbor here present to testify.
Um if you can raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in, sir.
Do you saw the family independent penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're you're about to give is the true the whole truth and offering but the truth?
Yes.
Yes, thank you.
So you have two and a half minutes to give remarks.
Will you start with your name and address and then go right into your remarks?
My name is Garrett Zabala.
I reside at 1726 North First Street in Brewer's Hill neighborhood.
I'm here to oppose the license application in the Brewer's Hill neighborhood.
I'm a resident of the Fortress Apartments.
I'm just gonna have you pause.
We're gonna have you pause a little bit because we need to translate it for the applicant.
Yeah.
So let me know when you need me to pause.
Okay.
Tell me your name again, sir.
I'm sorry.
Garrett Zabala.
Gareth Zavala in contra.
Okay, go ahead, sir.
I'm a resident of the Fortress Apartments located directly adjacent to the corner of West Pleasant Street and North First Street.
Since April of this year, I have been personally awakened and kept awake on repeated occasions, Tuesday through Sundays between midnight and three thirty AM.
Can you pause there?
So I don't know what the streets he said that he all mentioned.
Can we repeat that?
Do you want me to put this on the No, just continue with the testimony.
First Street, North First Street, and West Pleasant Street.
Okay.
You got everything.
Okay, go ahead.
By the crowd and customers of the Taco Almita trucks attract.
What I personally observed includes sustained loud noises, music, car engine noise, general commotion from the crowd gathering at the truck during these hours.
This noise is not sporadic.
It is consistent and occurs well within protected nighttime quiet hours established under Milwaukee Code Court ordinances.
Chapter 80.
I want the committee to understand that I am not here as a first resort.
I have spent months trying to resolve this through every proper channel available to me.
Beginning on April 23rd, 2026, I contacted Alder Woman Cogs to report this issue.
Okay.
Okay.
In late June, I contacted Milwaukee Police Department on Emergency Line to report the ongoing noise violations while they were actively occurring.
And on June 29th, I personally emailed officers Nancy Rodriguez Romo and Gussie Nelson of the community partnership unit and spoke with them on the phone the same day.
First condition any appro approval on operation hours restricted that do not extend beyond 9 p.m.
consistent with the city's own noise ordinance protections for primarily residential neighborhoods like Brewer's Hill.
I recognize that would reduce the vendors operating hours, which I do not want to do.
So I want to offer a second option as well.
Perhaps more simply suggest that they move the operation one block west to the corner of West Walnut Street and Highway.
West and West Walnut Street and North Dr.
Martin Luther King Junior Drive.
Okay, thank thank you.
Will you stay up there for questions, sir?
Yes, let me just let her stand because they move on unblock al West.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Um are there questions for this witness for this neighbor from committee members?
I'm sure.
Alderman Vergallis.
Uh question for licensing.
Um is that location first and is it pleasant?
Oh, is that a residential area that would normally restrict food trucks?
I'm not sure if it is residential or not, but I know for residential areas they do have the same two hour uh restriction.
So they should be moving every two hours from there.
All right.
Um have you noticed does the food truck stay in the same place?
Yes, it does.
And it doesn't move every two hours.
No, sorry, you can look at the movie and look at the game.
So tell me where you're at.
You're on pleasant.
Is it in the apartment?
I'm in the fortress apartments on North First Street.
I look north.
Okay.
It's not done by fresh time.
I look west.
Yes, it's by fresh time.
It's by fresh time.
It's about two blocks away from fresh time.
Okay.
And the food truck is parking directly adjacent to your building to your apartment.
Correct, a direct line of sight when looking west.
Okay.
All right.
Um, they are supposed to be moving every two hours, but you're noting that they're there how long uh on an average day, how long are they there?
Approximately 11 p.m.
to 3 30 p.m.
or 3 30 a.m.
excuse me.
Okay.
All right.
Um questions from I see we have Alder Cogs in the Alder Woman Cogs in the room as well.
She never left though, so we don't have to swear her in any way.
Okay.
So any questions from Alderman Peters and or Alder Woman Cogs for this neighbor witness.
Okay.
All right.
Any questions, only questions for for this neighbor witness from the applicant?
Solamente pregunta.
Not so exactly not solamente parking mosaics.
What exactly are the hours he's complaining about because they're usually there on till one hasta la una?
Oh, mas aquí in la water.
They only sell their on water street until one.
Uh-huh, pleasant.
And they move the rest of the mass horas.
And they move down on Pleasant.
Just on the weekends for two hours after they move on Water Street, just for two hours.
Until they close.
That's correct.
I don't keep a running log of when they appear and when they leave.
Most often I see them there.
Or I get awoken um approximately 1 a.m.
to three 3 a.m.
I've witnessed them there before though.
Um, only questions right now.
Probably no mass.
No maspergunta.
Um de parkyamos is the parkedero de front.
Are you unparkedero que no se occupa?
But no sé si is this apartment.
Where apartment exactly it is he in because they are usually parked in front of a parking lot that she's referring to.
That's correct.
I stated adjacent.
It's not on first street, it's the corner of first and pleasant.
Okay.
All right.
Any further questions?
Okay.
Um you're stating that they're there at from one to three thirty one a.m.
to three thirty they're there.
Yes, most times.
So a little over two hours they're there every day.
No, not every day.
It's I believe their hours are Tuesday through Sunday.
Some some nights I don't see them.
Yeah, you would move just gonna lose me.
All right, and you're asking if they would consider moving to a more to a less residential spot.
Correct.
So it doesn't hinder the folks living there.
All right.
Okay, well, if there's no more questions for this neighbor witness, thank you so much for your testimony today.
All right, that does conclude our neighborhood testimony.
Um with that, we are in the 12th Aldermanic district.
Alderman Pedas.
Uh thank you, Madam Chair.
This is um again one of the food truck licensees that the base is in my district, the issues are in all the women cogs this district, and um I think she can she can speak to the needs of her neighborhood more.
Um hoping that we'll get to a point where we'll find a solution without uh disruption and potential business, but we'll we'll see what happens with the outcome of of what's testimony is.
That's what we're hoping to get to.
Thank you.
Alder Woman Cogs.
Um thank you.
And my apologies to the constituent.
Um we did uh talk um and went through different scenarios of what could happen.
Um I have done is put in for um legislation uh to prohibit um food trucks on the block that you live on.
That strip of pleasant and wanna that is kind of weird.
Um because there are residences, um, but there are parking lots and there are commercial spaces or whatever.
It's just that specific block.
It really is residence right there.
Um so I understand his concern, particularly in those hours to be um disturbed.
Um so I do have legislation coming specifically, but I think the simple the simple thing that could be done more immediately is just move a block or two um away from the particular fortress apartments.
I think that will go a long way.
Right.
And um stopping to um prevent him from sleeping, or any other neighbors.
I will say, um, in all fairness to the constituent that at no time um did he speak negatively of the business?
It merely was the level of nuisance that's created with customers coming and going um at those hours um adjacent to where he's trying to sleep.
Um I do think that could be solved by just moving a block or two either way.
Um that's something I could do immediately.
Um but long term I have put in legislation to restrict.
Thank you.
All right, wanted to give a chance to the applicants to speak.
She she just wants to say if she's able to clarify or speak with the clientele she has so they can lower the music.
Um that's what she can do, and also she's stating that usually it's not only her clientels, it's uh there's people that come out of the bars and they pass through there with loud music as well.
Okay.
Um did you hear the neighbor and the alder woman ask if you would consider simply moving a block so that you're not disrupting the neighbors who actually live there?
Are you not willing to do that?
Um she's able to move a little bit more forward.
Okay, yeah, I think moving away from the apartment building would be better for the neighbors, but also for you.
The fortress apartments.
Okay, so it's time.
It's on first and pleasant, but I do want to know any time you're by residences where people live, it's just always it's never a good idea because it's bothersome to the people who live there.
Okay.
But is that something that you're willing to do?
Yes.
All right.
Okay.
Oh, yes.
She just wanted to make sure.
Did you translate for them?
Alder Woman Cox is gonna put forward legislation as well soon.
Um looks like uh to do a prohibition, so food trucks won't be able to park there either way, but it's forthcoming, it hasn't been introduced yet.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, it's a bit okay.
Thank you.
Yes, Alderman Brigellis.
Uh I'm looking at the food peddler renewal itinerary.
Water street is listed as a location.
But there are no other locations listed on their renewal application.
So I don't know how they would park on first street or on Pleasant Street or anywhere else.
Is that a question for her or for her?
Well, um the last page of your packet shows your what you submitted.
The ebook is different, so I noticed.
So your application says that you only park on water street that you don't park anywhere else.
When she renewed, yes she did, she put it in.
Um de hecho Pat pero Silo Puse.
Pero no está ahí in España.
She is stating that she did put it that she told the inspector that she was gonna put the other locations.
So we're just discussing that she it's not in here.
She was told that her printer, their printer was not working.
Sorry, can I get a translator?
She said that the printer uh from the department of the health department inspector wasn't working when she updated the itinerary, and I was just going to clarify that any changes that they submitted with the health department also need to be submitted to our department in order to have the record updated.
Which didn't happen.
Oh staki.
When will you have corrected paperwork submitted?
Um day if she could.
With the new location.
Yes.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you, madam chair.
All right.
Um with that, I'm sorry, Haldeman Peters, you're got anything further?
No, um, I have no objection considering they want to move.
Uh I have no objection at all.
Okay, very good.
All right, well, with that, I think we'll head into committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
I can pass the gas, so I can make the motion.
Okay, I'll pass the gallery to Vice Chair Pratt.
Um, I'll move for approval with a warning letter.
No, letter.
Okay.
Gracias.
Oh, we need to completion.
I made the motion by auto parsons and repa is approval with the warning letter.
Hearing it saying no objections, so order.
Thank you, Vanessa.
Thank you.
Okay, I'll take the cavel back.
Um, thank you.
We'll move on now to our 1 p.m.
agenda item.
Medina Lopez Ortega, agent for Lamel de Amor LLC.
Food pedal license renewal application for Lamel de Amor at 1100 West Historic Mitchell Street.
Is Medina Lopez Ortega present?
Hello.
All right.
Um Medina.
Okay, great.
Um you both raise your right hand so we can get you sworn in.
Is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Um all right, and then if you'll each state your name and address for the record.
Name is Medina Lopez Ortega, address is 1040 South 29th Street.
Thank you.
Reyes.
Name is Eriberto Reyes, address is 1040 South 29th Street.
Thank you.
All right.
Um did I already ask them if they're in receipt?
No.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
All right, Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for inspection.
Okay.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
No, I think.
Okay, I know this was scheduled for an objection.
Alderman Perez, do you wanna interject here?
Or I think it's the same issue, no?
With everything.
Yeah, so this is um this is probably the the first one of the many food trucks near the uh Forrest Homer Burger King location where now that the renewals here, um they were I I don't believe they were cited, but they were warned to move, and so they have moved since then, and um you'll see the rest of the food trucks come through on their renewals about parking and the problems with the Burger King uh parking lot.
Okay.
And I've had a extensive conversation about um the ordinance and the distance between their operation and brick and mortar.
Which I think we need to reiterate that regularly to some of the food trucks.
Okay.
Maybe even in writing.
Right with some outreach.
Are they still parking by Burger King?
Okay.
Okay.
Well, very good.
Um did you want did you want to say anything at this time?
Um can move um circa del parking.
Yes, Burger King had um advising about being parked there to move and they did move.
Okay.
Very good.
Thank you.
Okay.
Questions from committee members at this time.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item today?
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
Um anything further, Alderman Perez before we okay.
All right, well, with that we can head into committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
Do I need to pass the gap?
Okay, thank you so much.
Um Alderman Bergellis moves for approval with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing not so ordered.
Okay, suerte.
She has a concern.
She has two years.
And they had moved her.
Yes, I know we get complaints.
So comida or camionethes?
Yeah, okay.
So she's talking about, but that one's not before us right now, correct?
Yeah, let's see.
That food is for us.
The food truck in front of us does have an itinerary that lists 29th and Greenfield, so it's possible it's that one.
There's nothing specific though.
Um, without health identifying which one with the unique ID, it could be all of them, but we can't.
The objections that are placed on the food trucks are placed on all of them unless it specifically identifies with the unique ID which one it corresponds to.
Um, so that's probably why she's mentioning that one.
Because I do have neighbors complaining about that food truck, and they have submitted an objection, but I didn't see the man here, so yeah, it's gotta be different.
And even if it's not, we shouldn't address it.
Yeah.
We've already ratified.
Yeah we've we've already ratified so I kept comiday but not so this is me.
I mean individually you know privately you know information that'd be good for you.
Travis you're killing me I know it's a notice issue though.
I mean we can't not still so we can't talk about this you guys because it's not noticed.
Okay notificado but it's okay the Hemet Basar meet that I uh okay okay and that's yeah okay we're gonna move now okay so that passed right 105 okay yeah oh I have a 105 we have a renewal and a new and a new application in the on the IPads.
Oh yeah it's um again I think it's probably due to the objections all of the renewals have the objection than the new one without it being specific we don't know so they're all okay okay on our 105 p.m agenda we have Cynthia Renteria Romero agent for El Cab Carboncito LLC food pedal licenses renewal application and food peddler licenses application for El Cab Carboncito at 830 West Greenfield Avenue.
All right good afternoon oh nice to see you nice to see you too all right um would you raise your right hand we'll get you sworn in the U Sony frame on the dependency penalties of Burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is a true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right and are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied yes thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record yes my name is Cynthia Renteria address 830 West Greenfield Avenue 530204.
Thank you.
All right Ms.
Lopez are there any holds for inspection.
Okay Sergeant Cornejo is there a police report?
Uh 6425 the applicant was cited by the Milwaukee Health Department for food license violations on one twenty two twenty six they were convicted in fines 699 dollars okay health is on the board all right health department who is it's Aaron Camacho are you here on this one El Cab Carboncito Hello no I'm here for the next one familiar with the carbon carabancito there's no objection for this one from I I'm just not here for this one I'm here for um the next agenda sorry the objection on file is from Burger King.
Ah yes this one is scheduled same thing we've been talking about the Burger King issue.
Okay so that was what it was not the health department then is that right yes all right I mean there is still a health citation though that that is record.
You're right I'm sorry yes and Sergeant Cornejo read that in would you like to s so that's the police report correct that's correct yes.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Um not really I just know I think last time I was here we talked about it it was about the white is that the same one that's what I I'm thinking and I paid the fine yes and I don't see it again.
It might be attached to the individual agent so that's gonna be perpetual okay 2025 so we've we've addressed it probably at length and that's maybe why health isn't here because we have addressed it in the past.
Was that within 2025 2026 yeah I feel like we talked about it before but yeah does that sound right Alderman Perez I feel like I remembered us talking about it.
Yeah I mean look here here's the let's just cut to the chase um you're parked by Burger King are you are you do you plan on moving from Burger we moved um I think it was this past Friday uh we actually spoke to some police officers um I'm guessing uh Burger King sent them we we tried to talk to our customers we put up even a sign like telling customers not to park there it was it didn't really work apparently and um we talked to them like well our employees talked to them that didn't work and then uh this past Friday a um I don't know if it was a police officer or um what do you call them the um health uh inspector no it wasn't a health inspector um did you say probably like a traffic officer or something oh DP parking enforcement maybe believe so yeah and uh that day when they were there we were like you know what um but actually it wasn't from Burger King the complaint I think it was from the other neighbor like um wing stop no no no uh the maleteria yeah that balleteria them okay so and we had already actually talked way before like a couple times to him and I guess his complaint was more against the truck that was previously just here um
Oh, DP parking enforcement maybe believe so, yeah.
And uh that day when they were there, we were like, you know what?
Um but actually it wasn't from Burger King, the complainant.
I think it was from the other neighbor, like um Wingstop.
No, no, no.
Um the Maleteria.
Yeah, that Peleteria, them.
Okay.
So and we had already actually talked way before, like a couple times to him, and I guess his complaint was more against the truck that was previously just here, um, because they saw exactly the same stuff.
We don't.
And I guess it kind of affected us too.
But he was like, the problem is not with you guys.
But once this started happening over and over again, and they were already gone.
The people who were just here were like it has to be with us, even though he's denying it to us in person and to our face.
I don't know, he just won't tell us like the problem is with us too.
And we were like, let's just move and we uh we moved.
Okay.
So yeah, we're not there anymore.
Okay, thank you.
All right, yes.
Anything um any questions?
No, I just I want to be sure.
I mean, um one, we've got complaints about um clients, they don't listen, like she said.
It was the reason um El Ray put up a gate that now uh when they're closed, the gates closed, you can't use the parking lot.
It became a liability.
Um the way people park the late hours, how crowded it gets because it's small, it's going to be an issue.
So and you're in violation of being close to another brick and mortar, so we we just need to get compliance from people moving to another spot.
And and um where we can limit the complaints and the nuisance that happens.
So if she's moving from that location, great.
Okay.
I have no objection.
Thank you.
And and and I don't here's the other thing.
I just want to be clear that sometimes other people their renewals may not be in six months, and they think they're on borrowed time parking there until the renewal comes up to be held accountable.
But police will be out there.
Uh parking checkers will be out their health will be out there to make sure that we get people in the compliance.
So I don't want them to think other people are getting away with it, and why can't they park there and other people can and then they'll go back there because some of the miscommunications are we're gonna try our best to get things in writing to people about um you're too close, you gotta be gone.
We got complaints from property owners that your your patrons are on private property and creating a nuisance, and uh I don't want to manage the business.
So we gotta make that clear to everyone.
Right.
Okay.
And I'm just gonna ask, are there any neighbors present on this item?
El Cabo Garboncito.
Okay.
Let the record f reflect there are no neighbors present.
Um I think Alderman Pedez summed it up well.
If there's not anything further from committee members, do we have a motion?
Is that morning order or no?
Um I he didn't say, but you could have I think whichever.
Yeah, that's all of approval.
Um Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
Good luck to you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay.
We will move on now to our one ten pm agenda item.
Gabrielle Martinez Martinez, agent for Takaria Alma Mix L L C food dealer and food peddler licenses renewal application for Tacaria Alma Mix.
At one at eleven sixteen West Historic Mitchell Street.
Good afternoon.
Okay, do you guys need necessitan traduzione or no?
See?
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, yes, we just need somebody here to help with interpretation.
Um you both raise your right hand so we can get you sworn in.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, thank you.
All right.
Um are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Gabriel?
Okay.
Thank you.
And then will you each state your name and address for the record?
When there's his number record.
Uh my number is Gabriel Martinez Martinez.
Uh we were in La 3256 sur Street.
Uh his name is uh Gabriel Martinez Martinez.
Address is thirty-two fifty-six South Tenth Street.
Okay, my name is Lady Martinez Juarez.
I live in 3256 South 10th Street.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for inspection.
Okay.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 127 26, the applicant was cited by the Milwaukee Health Department for food license violation.
And 32626, they were convicted and fined 1658.
Thank you.
All right.
And I know this one health department is here for this item.
Is that right, Aaron Camacho?
Yes, that's correct.
I'm here.
Okay.
All right.
Um shall I go oh yes.
Can you raise your right hand as well, Aaron?
So we can get you sworn in.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Will you introduce yourself, Aaron?
My name is Aaron Camacho.
I am uh manager with the consumer environmental health department here.
All right.
And the health department has an objection on this uh item, correct?
Yes, that's correct.
Whenever we have two instances of no water, um, it gets referred to your committee for review.
The two instances that we had were December oh, excuse me.
Um June 17th, 2025, we approached them and they had no water on board during that time.
And again on January 27, 2026, when we approached for an inspection, there was no water.
Both instances do result in an order of disease right then and there.
And then the citation was issued for the second occurrence on January 27, 2026.
Okay.
You let them know there's okay, health department is objecting.
All right, and Aaron, so I have a question before I'll give it to the committee.
Is that unusual to see uh I know oftentimes in the winter they'll operate without water because the la water lines freeze?
Um and we're always talking about that.
But this one there was an instance in June with no water.
Do you have any details on why they would be operating without water in the middle of summer?
I'm sure I could look into the report to see what what we discussed at that time, but usually it's either they didn't fill it up in the morning and the tank just emptied throughout the game, they didn't go back to the base to refill it, or they just in fill it at all.
Yeah.
Um with winter scenarios, yes, the line does freeze sometimes, but we've been seeing really good success with operators that empty out the water at the end of their shift because the trucks off, they there's no water inside of it, and fill it up with fresh water in the winter before they start going out on the field, so that water is fresh.
Um the operators that do do that, they have water aboard during winter hours.
Thank you.
All right.
Further questions from committee members for Aaron Camacho from the Health Department.
Questions for Aaron from Alderman Petis.
Questions from the applicant for Aaron from the Health Department?
No, no, no.
No, no.
Okay.
He would like to know about the month of June because he doesn't really remember.
Um, let's see.
I can give him a copy of the report given.
But on June 17, 2025.
We issued an order for no water.
And the person that signed the report was Lady Martinez.
Who was that?
Lady Martinez.
Okay.
So they have your signature on the order.
It happened at 320 p.m.
At 320 p.m.
on June 17th.
2025, that happened.
He stated that he just wanted to know exactly what date and time, so he's aware who was working at that time.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Thank you so much, Erin Camacho.
We appreciate your work.
Thank you.
All right.
Any further neighbors or witnesses here to testify on this item today, Takaria Alma Mih.
All right, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
With that, we're in the 12th Aldermanic District.
Alderman Petis.
Yeah, no, I've had a long conversation with the applicant about the water.
Uh I too was a little surprised about June being an issue, right?
I could see the the winter months and having an issue freezing, and um every truck has a different solution for it.
Um they paid a pretty steep fine, so I'm okay with uh renewal.
I'm just gonna say I don't object as long as they get a warning letter.
Thank you.
Um right, very good.
Good.
Did you want did you have anything to say?
Otherwise we're gonna head into committee.
No, okay.
Does the committee have a motion?
Alderman woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval with a warning letter.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing non so ordered.
Okay, thank you.
Suerte.
All right.
We're moving on now to our 115 p.m.
agenda item.
Argelio Campechano Golpe.
Agent for Tacaria Campechano L L C Food Dealer and Food Passer Licenses Renewal Application for Tacaria Campechano at 1601 West Lincoln Avenue.
Good afternoon.
Hi, good afternoon.
All right.
So no, we don't need any help with interpretation.
Can she just interpret it have their interpreter?
They should interpret if they have their okay.
Do you are can you speak Spanish well or do you need help?
Um I took medical interpreting.
I didn't take oh okay.
We're here, we're in process.
Sorry, she's here.
I understand, but we're we're already an hour and a half behind, so thank you, Sylvia.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Um will you both raise your right hand so we can get you sworn in?
Do you solely affirm on the independent penotia of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
And are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Okay, thank you.
And then will you each state your name and address for the record?
Argelio Campechano Golpe.
Sur de la Ventuno.
Argelio Campechano Lopez Ayosis.
Thank you.
Please serve 1137 South 20th Street.
Thank you.
All right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Uh no holds.
Sergeant Cornejo is there, please report.
The business call regarding two subjects fighting inside the business.
Both subjects left prior to officers' arrival.
And 2226 at 404 p.m.
Walkie police were dispatched to the theft.
Investigation revealed that this was a trouble with the subject, and which a subject no longer are seen with begging for money.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Um peleando a dentro del negocio.
Oh no, so you no longer would you like to speak to the police?
There was a fight between two individuals.
They were in a relationship.
And uh they were not a c they were not customers of the restaurant.
They just went inside.
I I seemed like the lady was um running away from the guy.
Okay.
Thank you.
Questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions on the police report from Alderman Bettes?
No, not at all.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that we should testify on this item today?
All right.
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the 12th Aldermanic District, Alderman Bettes.
Yeah, I just wanted to point out I think the main reason they're here is because of the objective that was on file regarding some uh amusement machine.
The amusement machines.
I know for a fact I've seen them myself being uh taken out of the building.
I've spoken to the applicant.
They're gonna apply for a PEP life license if that's where they uh want to go in the future.
They weren't aware.
I think it was the salesman that told them, yeah, you can put them in, no problem.
They did.
Found out it was uh you couldn't do that.
They got rid of them.
I've seen them coming out to start myself, and then they'll get the proper permits moving forward.
Okay, very good.
All right.
And I have no objection.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Well, with that, I think we can head into committee.
Okay, Alderwoman Andrea Pratt.
Moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you.
Suarte.
Yes, yes.
Okay.
We'll move on now to our 120 p.m.
agenda item.
Sean L is it Devoot?
Agent for DeVoe Rentals, Rooming Houses, LLC, rooming house license renewal application for DeVoe Rentals Rooming Houses, LLC at 837 South 19th Street.
Is Sean L.
Devoot present?
Sean L.
Devoot.
Have you heard from the applicant?
I asked for a hold of test the case.
Oh, go the first appearance.
Um, well, she's busy.
So Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves uh oh first time non-appearance.
Are you here for Sean Devoot?
Oh, okay.
Yes, it is first non-appearance.
Apologies.
Oh, sorry, regardless.
Alderman DeAndre Jackson moves to hold this item to the call of the chair and hearing no objections so ordered.
We'll move on to our 125 p.m.
agenda agenda item.
Marcus L.
Wise, agent for Pop, M K E L L C permanent extension of premise license application for alcohol and food at Pop at 124 West National Avenue.
Good afternoon.
Hello, afternoon.
All right.
Oh, sorry.
Hi.
All right.
Good to see you, Marcus.
Thank you.
Will you raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you sonly affirm on the dependency parties of purview of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and a few but the truth?
Yes, I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Uh counsel, do you want to introduce yourself?
Good afternoon, attorney Michael Maestelman on behalf of Mr.
Wise.
Thank you.
All right.
And are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
Marcus Wise, 408 West Florida Street, Department 720, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53204.
Thank you.
Um right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy.
Okay, Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
Okay.
Very good.
I know this is scheduled for an objection.
Adam Sure.
Yes.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yes, go ahead.
I just I wanted to point out obviously there's no police report and his uh tavern license has been granted with no issues since 2023.
Right.
All right.
Um okay.
Well, shall I go to neighbors, Alderman Petas?
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
Uh yes, Edmund Thaves.
Yes.
Okay, very good.
Will you raise your right hand, Mr.
Thaves, and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you solve from an independent penalty suburbio of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Um will you state your name and address, Mr.
Thaves, and then you can go right into your testimony.
You have two and a half minutes.
Thank you.
Good afternoon.
My name is Edwin Thaves.
Uh I live at 710 South Third Street in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53204.
I've lived in Walker's Point for 13 years, and I'm here today to urge you to deny the permanent extension of premise application for Pop Bar at 124 West National Avenue.
Nearby residents hold a fundamental right to the peaceful use and quiet enjoyment of their homes under Wisconsin law and long-standing state supreme court presidents.
In contrast, holding a business license is strictly a privilege, not a property right.
Pop Bar has no inherent entitlement to expand its footprint at the expense of surrounding homeowners.
This committee must evaluate whether an expansion is compatible with the neighborhood and preserves its peace and good order.
This proposed extension fails on both counts.
Pop Bar has repeatedly demonstrated they cannot or will not manage their existing indoor footprint responsibly.
They have consistently broken promises made to neighbors regarding noise mitigation.
This is not just a subjective frustration.
Pop bar hosts events that routinely exceed municipal noise ordinances, and they have been issued a citation for excessive noise and found guilty.
An operator with the guilty noise citation and a history of creating noise nuisances should not be granted a privilege of an expanded footprint.
Walker's Point is a neighborhood where people live, sleep, and raise families acented by local businesses.
It is not an entertainment district.
Under city ordinances, neighborhood compatibility requires commercial activity commercial activities to yield to the peace and good order of nearby homes.
Pop Bar's proposed outdoor space on the west side extends a commercial drinking footprint into close proximity to nearby residences.
The space is entirely open.
There are no walls, enclosures, or barriers to contain or minimize sound.
Moving crowds, alcohol service, open air socializing, and the potential addition of amplified sound into an uncontained space will project noise towards nearby homes and escalate existing disruptions.
An operator with an ongoing unresolved history of neighborhood disruption should not be rewarded with an expanded physical footprint.
I asked this committee to stand with the residents who actually live, sleep, and pay taxes in the neighborhood and deny this extension.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you, Mr.
Thaves.
If you'll stay on for questions.
Any questions from committee members for this neighbor?
Any questions?
Oh, I'm sorry, Alderman Jackson, please.
There's a ton of businesses over there.
Do you I've never seen you before here for any other businesses?
I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.
So I'm saying there's a lot of businesses over here, and uh think last site we approved by two of them.
You didn't come and complain about those businesses.
I I there aren't other businesses in the neighborhood that are nearby that cause the same noise disruptions that pop bar does.
In fact, there's other examples of businesses uh that actually have worked well with with neighborhoods in uh managing their noise, such as uh station 1846, uh which is uh just a block or so away.
They've been very proactive in monitoring the noise and and don't create the same issues uh that pop bar does with their existing footprint.
So my concern is since Pop Bar has not been uh able to manage their existing footprint, extending their footprint into an outdoor space that has no protection uh for noise in the neighborhood, which is further cause issues.
All right.
So the applicant, uh, what time will the outside location close?
Um it's just an extension of our business, so when the bar does, but I mean if we needed to make um concessions for sound, but I don't have any outdoor application or anything like that.
So there would be no outside speakers in one?
No, there are none.
Oh no.
Okay.
Um Alder Member Gellis has questions for Mr.
Thaves.
Thank you.
Uh Mr.
Thaves, how many times have you complained about businesses in Walker's Point?
Uh to the city.
Uh I don't have a running list.
I I raise awareness of noise issues when they're present.
Uh, you know, Walker's Point, I've lived here in 13 for 13 years.
The last several years, there's definitely been an increase in the amount of noise nuisances of uh neighboring businesses, but like I mentioned in my previous comment.
There are also examples of businesses that have been uh more responsive and sensitive to uh neighborhood concerns.
Uh mentioned station.
So as for the number of complaints that you've made to the city about businesses in Walker's Point.
Five, ten, fifty.
I don't I don't have a running count, and I don't think it it's relevant.
I mean, if there's issues with noise, as a resident walker's point.
My question is very clear.
My question is very clear.
Can you provide us an estimate on the number of times you've complained about it?
I don't have an estimate, and like I said, I think it's irrelevant.
I it if I have a concern about noise.
I don't think it matters whether it's one or five.
I'm not asking you for an explanation.
I'm asking for the number of times you've made a complaint to the city.
I haven't counted the number of times.
Is it more than 10?
I there's uh concerns I've raised about specific businesses.
Is it more than twenty-five?
No.
It's less than twenty-five.
More than ten.
I like I said, I didn't count the number of times I've raised awareness or uh of issues of noise in Walker's point.
I've lived here for thirteen.
Could you share with the committee the number of businesses that you have complained about?
I can speak to Pop Bar.
Uh I've raised issues in the past with their noise nuisances and the lack of responsiveness to neighborhood concerns.
I'm asking for the number of businesses that you have complained about.
Is it more than 10?
No.
Is it less than 25?
Yes.
Oh, I'm sorry, less than 10.
Is it more than five?
Uh yes.
If you had to guess at the number.
Uh maybe three or four.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Questions for Mr.
Thaves from Alderman Pedez.
Um, Mr.
Thaves, of the times you've complained about a nuisance.
Do you know if uh MPD had follow up with you when citations were issued?
There was a citation issued uh to Popar uh foreign noise nuisance in August of 2025.
There's been other issues where the police either didn't follow up uh or followed up uh outside of ours where the nuisance was no longer continuing, so there wasn't anything that uh they were willing to do about it.
Okay.
So you you know of one citation they received in 2025 for for noise?
Yeah, I'm aware of that.
There is that citation that they they received for pop bar, yes.
Was that within the cycle that would should have been read in as a citation?
Or is that before the year that we can't take into account?
Yeah, I don't have that.
Uh I don't have that informing.
Okay, I have to get back to a net.
The court needs all the questions I have for Mr.
Thaves.
Thank you.
Uh does the applicant have any questions, only questions for Mr.
Thaves?
Yes, we do.
Please.
So, Mr.
Thaves, you've lived there for 13 years, correct?
That's correct.
When you moved into the current neighborhood, were there any other bars, clubs, and restaurants in your neighborhood?
Yes, there's there's uh a few uh restaurants that are in the in the neighborhood.
I think the number of bars has grown over the years.
I also think that the Well, you've answered the question.
So when you moved in, you were aware that there were bars, clubs, and neighborhoods in that restaurant, correct?
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
Okay, thank you.
Wait a second.
Can we first of all no let me let me speak for a moment?
Please can I can we all just take a breath here?
I'm sorry, Mr.
Thaves.
I d I definitely did.
Mike, please can we just try to keep uh let's just I'll take a breath.
I was like Alderman's.
I mean, where in the law do I give up my right to peaceful enjoyment of my home to living in the city?
So now he's would you put the clock on for me?
You cut him in the middle of the case.
You have an irresponsible business here too.
All right.
I'm sorry, Mr.
Thaves.
Let's just reset here.
Let's take a breath.
Please can we be respectful of each other even with different opinions?
I think we can still be respectful of each other.
Attorney Mason?
Sure.
Um in response to Alderman Burgellis, you said you've complained about other businesses uh in in the district.
Uh I think under 25.
I don't know, more than 25, whatever.
You you responded that you did complain about a number of other businesses in the district, correct?
I yes, I I have raised awareness of noise nuisances when other businesses violate the city ordinances and peaceful enjoyment of their home.
Thank you.
I have not counted the number of businesses or complaints I've raised.
Uh if the businesses weren't raising creating noise nuisances, there wouldn't be a reason to complain.
Go ahead.
Okay.
But sir, you when Alderman Jackson posed the question to you why you haven't been here for any of the other bars renewals.
You stated under oath that there were no other problems with any of the other bars, and the only bars that you had problems with was my client.
Is that accurate?
Uh that is not accurate.
Okay.
I uh have it I've attended this committee uh for indeed brewing for the public entertainment premises license.
Uh I raised an objection to the renewal of Pop Bar uh during the last renewal cycle, but there was an issue where my objection was misfiled by all their person Perez's office and was not received within the time period.
So I think the committee heard his response to Alderman Jackson when he said he hasn't been here for anybody else because Pops is the only one uh that's making noise, and obviously then he contradicted himself under oath with the remote.
That's absolutely not what I said.
I said that I that I raised the money.
Is it my turn to talk or does he want to interrupt me?
Can we let Attorney May Sliman finish his statement?
Sir, if he would if the attorney would actually accurate statements.
He's under oath as well, so why don't we make sure that he's a few years ago?
Mr.
Thaves, let's set him free.
He did have the floor.
And I'm trying to also not let him interrupt you.
Because you're you're making false statements and trying to make me ask.
Mr.
Thaves, you can't cut off the attorney.
He had the floor.
Let's let him finish his statement.
Are you aware that Stennies has been in your neighborhood for 41 years?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
Are you aware that Lakage has been in your neighborhood for 42 years?
Yes, I am.
Are you aware that my client's location has been in your neighborhood for about 41 years?
The location has Pop Bar specifically has only been in that location for a few years after that.
Correct.
It was a barbecue restaurant.
But it's been a restaurant, they threw alcohol there.
It's been an establishment there for 41 years.
You agreed to have live outdoor events and nuisance.
That was my question.
Are you aware that switch was in your neighborhood from 1999 to 2008?
Yes.
Are you aware that fluid has been in your neighborhood 24 years?
Yes.
So you willingly moved into an entertainment district, district, that you chronically complain about the noise in your neighborhood, knowing all of these establishments have been there for many, many, many years.
First of all, it's not an entertainment district.
It's a it's a mixed use neighborhood, largely resent residential where there's pockets of resident of business activity.
And the businesses that that you have highlighted are not businesses that have caused noise nuisances in the 13 years that I've lived here.
Right, but they also happen to be managed by people that are responsive to neighborhood concerns and don't lie to neighbors, promise.
Objection.
Now he's getting argument.
All right.
Okay.
I'm getting arguments.
All right.
Thank you, Mr.
Thaves.
Okay.
But at the time, sir, whether there was noise or not, you moved into a district where there are lots of restaurants, bars, and clubs.
So you were aware that there could have been a potential of a little bit of noise in your neighborhood.
Is that true?
There's a difference between a little bit of noise in the sitting ordinances and being disturbed.
Okay, so you're not going to answer that question.
You're not going to answer the question.
That is not the issue.
Yeah, you're not answering the question.
Okay.
Because it's it's an offensive question.
I don't have to give up my right to peaceful enjoyment of my home because of where I choose to live in the city of Milwaukee.
Your client has an obligation under city ordinances not to create a nuisance.
And you're trying to defend the case.
Yeah.
I I certainly note your objection.
I I object as well.
I object to the line of questioning because I think it's offensive.
Where we're in city license is a good idea.
My next question because of the how many more questions do you have?
A couple.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Well, he has another question, Mr.
Sark.
Sir, have you heard of the phrase that you know people that move next to the name uh to the airport shouldn't be complaining about airplanes?
Have you heard of that?
Yes or no?
No, I haven't.
You've never heard of that?
I've never heard of that.
No.
Okay, no, I I couldn't hear.
I couldn't.
It was muffled.
Okay.
Okay.
And you called the recent judge's decision allowing the city to my uh to allow my client to have the extension of premises uh for only for Pride Fest.
You called it a uh a constitutional crisis.
Is that correct?
What I referred to, and that's a I think that's a separate issue that doesn't involve the pup permanent extension of premises applications.
He's not answering the question.
What I called is that the city attorney went into city records to to change them without the appropriate hearings that are required under city law.
So if I show you an email from you to the city and to the older people that you called it a constitutional crisis, is that accurate?
I don't have the email in front of me.
That may be something that I said because I think that when any time that one branch of government oversteps the balance of another branch of government, I think it does create a constitutional crisis.
Well, that's all I have.
We have an institutional crisis.
That's a completely separate issue.
All right.
Does that conclude your questions, Attorney May Sword?
Thank you.
All right, thank you.
Thank you, Mr.
Thaves.
Um what I haven't what I haven't heard from the attorney or from Mr.
Wise is the concern about noise nuisance.
Unfortunately, we don't we don't try to manage.
We don't certainly heard you out, uh Mr.
Thaves.
I know it did get a little tense.
Um I can't allow you to ask questions of the attorney at this time.
Are there any other neighbors that were here to testify on this item today?
Pop?
Madam Chair.
All right.
If not, that concludes neighbor testimony.
And I appreciate your testimony, Mr.
Thaves.
Alderman Bettes.
Yeah, I I just like to hear from the applicant.
I understand he wants extension of premise.
Uh if we're not very specific, the entire license would follow the extension of premise into the west part of the parking lot there that he wants to occupy.
I want to hear from the applicant the exact use of that space, and if everything on the PEP license is going to follow.
Yes.
And also, are you going just talking about that patio portion right now?
You're not moving into any of the parking lot that no, it's uh it's on my property.
It goes out 10.1 feet.
Um, so it's all included in there.
Um it would just be for the service and um socialization of food and drink, just like sending it outside, not as a performance space, not as use for anything else, just for people to sit and socialize.
Eat and drink.
Okay, so just let me be very clear.
On the the current PEP has DJs, patrons dancing, instrumental musicians, and there's five abusement machines that you can't put outside.
Are you gonna use any of those other PEPs um uses on the outdoor?
That is not my strictly for people sitting outside, drinking.
Okay, no amplified music, anything like that?
No.
Okay, thank you.
And we could submit that if you want as an amendment to make sure that it's crystal clear.
That'd be preferred.
Yeah, okay.
We'll be happy to do that.
We'll send an email to the case.
Do you want to amend that now at the table?
Sure, sure.
All right.
Alderman Briales, do you want to make that amendment?
Um, Madam Chair, I'll move that the public entertainment premises license not apply to the extension of premises in the application.
Okay.
And I just want to be very clear, Mr.
Say Mr.
Thames.
I appreciate you coming out to testify.
Your issue is noise, correct?
Yes, my issue is is noise, and my concern is that extending it into that west side without any noise mitigation uh risk creating additional problems.
If the the applicant uh tries to manage the noise by like what's being suggested here, I think that would resolve the issue, but I think it should be in writing because my concern is that in the past uh PopR has made promises that have not been kept.
Okay, thank you.
I I think we've got the record straight about uh strictly gathering and no amplified sound or PEP on the outside.
So on the table.
Okay.
Um all right, Alderman.
And for clarity, that motion would allow for congregating uh uh uh consuming beverages or food and having weight staff or service outside only the public entertainment premises portion of the city license would not apply to the patio correct all right alderman Peter Bergellis moves to amend um the application to indicate that the PEP will not be utilized uh outside in the permanent extension of premise.
Good.
Yes, thank you.
All right, and here any discussion on that motion?
Any objection to that motion?
Hearing not so ordered.
All right.
Um anything further, Alderman Fettes with that.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, well, with that, we'll head into committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
We have no nothing further.
I was just gonna say that.
I would think I thought you said a lot already, but thank you.
All right.
Move approval as amended.
Okay.
Alderman uh Alderman Peter Bergellis moves approval as amended.
Any discussion?
Any objection?
Hearing on so ordered.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
All right, very good.
We'll move on to our 135 p.m.
agenda item.
Michael J.
Agent for Banderas, 408 LLC, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premises and Sidewalk Dining Licenses Renewal Application for Banderas at 408 West Florida Street, number 102.
Good afternoon.
Hi.
Hi there.
Would you raise your right hand?
We'll get you sworn in.
Yep.
That the testimony you're about to give is the truth to hold truth and if you want the truth?
I do, yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
And are you on receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you state your name and address for the record?
My name is Michael Idol, 3126 South Nevada Street, Milwaukee 53207.
Thank you.
All right.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for delinquent for the wholesaler.
Okay.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 10225 at 803 p.m.
officers conducted follow-up attempting to retrieve security camera footage.
The manager was not cooperative during the investigation.
Eventually the owner allowed officers to access the footage.
On 226-26 at 3 p.m.
Officers along with an agent from Department of Revenue conducted a business check.
Contaminants were found in a bottle of alcohol, and additional alcohol items were found at the business without proper voices.
The owner was also advised to post their city license where visible to public view.
Thank you.
Would you like to speak to the police report?
Um, yeah, but the wholesale hold, did you say there is one?
Uh because they've all been cleared.
Yeah.
Uh there was a hold.
It did get released.
So there are no holds.
Okay.
Oh, very good.
Thank you.
Um, and then uh there's for the two different incidents.
One um was very confusing, the one in the fall.
Um there was the and the suspect who ended up being arrested had approached my staff several times trying to get our footage, so there was confusion on.
I said, absolutely not only the police got um our security camera footage.
There somebody had accused him of drugging their drink or something like that.
We never even got any sort of after that happened.
We don't know what happened.
But it was something that started somewhere else, came through, and as soon as I found out the police were looking, that's what we had been waiting for.
So we we weren't being obstructive.
We were waiting for the right people to ask for the evidence, just to be clear.
Um, and then the second report.
Um we had closed temporarily in the winter and had a fundraiser for the um the Hispanic professionals of Greater Milwaukee for the Bad Bunny Super Bowl.
And since we've been closed, I bought a couple cases of beer that night in a panic for um a Puerto Rican crowd I was happy to see there, but didn't have enough beer for.
Um, so would that would never happen again?
Um and we didn't blame the Port Ricans.
I'm not bringing the Puerto Ricans, sorry.
Um my partner's Porter again.
So we and then that there were because I'd been closed, we didn't have the invoices for my product, which we normally do because I was um sort of a context of chaos moving the invoices from office to office.
So we do have all the invoices at the bar we have no holds, and we I immediately posted um in the new location where we had we had our everything posted, it was just facing sideways on a back bar shelf.
So thank you.
Questions on the police report from committee members?
Questions on the police report from Alderman Bedis.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Very good.
Are there any neighbors present to testify in this item today for Banderas on Florida?
All right.
One person, anybody else?
Okay.
If you want to raise your right hand, sir, we'll get you sworn in.
Sure.
This is not a state.
Do you sell your term on the defense of Bernardis of Birdie of the State of Wisconsin?
That the testimony you were about to give, is it true the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Uh yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And you have two and a half minutes.
If you'll start with your name and address and then go right into your testimony.
Michael Mitts, 408 West Florida Street, number 707, Milwaukee Fire 3204.
Thank you.
Uh, I'm a resident at BRICS, in which there are 99 apartments and 127 residents.
Oh, good.
Um, there's not enough time to go through everything, and in the pictures that you have there, not everything's going to be addressed.
I know you're going to renew the license, but what basically what we're asking is are certain restrictions.
The problems, there's been a lot of problems that have been addressed, and a lot has been taken care of, and I can't go into it now.
But one of the biggest problems is people getting intoxicated, loud and obnoxious.
As recently as three weeks ago, and I you have one of the pictures there.
I have another picture here.
I looked out my window, there was all kinds of noise going on, and I see a patron from Banderas vomiting in our flower bed, and his friends thought it was so funny, but he continued to do that.
There was a gentleman who passed out on the sidewalk.
Um, this picture was inadvertently not admitted.
Should I just give it to the alderman?
No, I can't admit it.
Thank you.
Can't what?
It wasn't noticed, sir.
But I'm looking at the other photo, I see the other photos here.
Um there was someone that passed out on the sidewalk.
A lot of people piled up on top of him.
There was all kinds of things going on, taking pictures, he was passed out.
People started cheering drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk.
Um, there was people taking shoes off, thinking it was a beach, but the bad part was they blocked Florida Street and started to have relay races.
That's the fourth picture you can see there.
And there were cars coming east and west, and they had a stop suddenly because suddenly there are people in the street.
This has been a problem with Banderas.
It's a great idea what this gentleman has is doing, but it is in the wrong place.
Because every Friday and Saturday night, last July, August, and September, people drink tequila.
This isn't Lost Valley Cider.
I know last year you had mentioned.
Glass of wine is great.
This is tequila.
People are getting toasted.
They're getting loud, they're getting obnoxious.
We have to be quiet by 10 o'clock.
And yet after 10 o'clock is when the drunkness comes in, and you hear these loud, obnoxious people.
Now, it's been quiet so far, and they were closed in the winter, but there's no guarantee this isn't going to happen again in July, August, or September.
So we are asking this.
Just put a restriction in the license of one of two things that the front is either closed at 10 o'clock or 10 30, or don't renew the license because there's been a lot of disturbance.
All right.
If you'll say there, sir, for questions.
I have two police reports.
Why was that not mentioned?
It's annual, so it may not have been within the license period.
These are all the items in the last year within the time frame of for renewal.
So if you'll say that for questions.
I have the police reports if you want to.
Yes, sorry.
Thank you.
Questions from committee members for the neighbor?
When you say the front, you're saying the outdoor.
Correct.
Should we call this?
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Oh, the patio, the outdoor patio area.
Yeah, the outdoor.
All right.
Under our windows.
Okay.
And you have a picture there of, I believe, the front of our building.
I don't think you see the whole building in it.
As long as they open until currently.
What are the hours on the patio right now?
Um, can I respond to that as well?
Because it's one incident from one person.
Let's finish up with the neighbor.
Let's finish up with the neighborhood.
And then I can certainly have to do that.
No, no, no.
No.
We're no.
This is why we need to finish up with the neighborhood.
To answer your question, the um let's just the patio.
I want to finish up with the neighbor.
Do you have the hours?
Otherwise, let's finish up with the neighbor.
There is nothing specific uh regarding outdoor hours, so we would follow the class B license, which is bar closed, 2 a.m.
uh Sunday through Thursday and 2 30, Friday, Saturday.
There's still another restriction of nuisance ordinances, though.
I mean, noise nuisance is still a place.
Okay.
So to answer your question, sir.
Oh, I thought you wanted to were our operation hours for the patio.
We're gonna we're gonna fin let's finish up with this neighbor before we go to anybody else.
All right.
Are there any questions from Alderman Bettes for this neighbor?
Okay.
Do you have any questions, sir?
Only questions for the neighbor?
No.
I I do have a question.
Oh, go ahead.
Um, Mr.
Mitz, you you call the police every time you have an issue?
No.
Okay.
We've actually been instructed to talk to uh file a complaint with our security guy in the building, which a lot of people have done, or with the property management.
Well, that doesn't help you here today.
I understand that, but a lot of people don't like to call the police.
I understand.
If you if you want us to take to verify any of your complaints, the police have to do it.
I know sometimes they're busy.
They can show up later, they can follow up with video.
Right.
That's why I have verify what you said before.
If if if you have a complaint and they don't get their real real time, any time they can go back, ask to see the video and verify your complaint.
So I'm sorry you got bad advice, but I need you to call the police, not emergency, when there are nuisance problems on your street.
The police report I'm talking about that I'm I don't know why he doesn't have.
There is a video that the police department at District 1 has in the possession of the community liaison officer.
Okay, yeah.
I'm I'm a little troubled by that, so I'm gonna follow up with District 1.
Yeah, that isn't in the record.
But definitely Alderman Bedez raises a very good point.
You guys have to directly call the police, or if they direct you to tell the the building manager, whoever that person is, they should be calling the police on your behalf, because then it creates more data and more of a record.
I I understand that.
But the police have just been given warnings.
Well, you know what, though, even if all of that should be in a report.
And it's not I I I have it in my folder.
I don't know why it's not there.
I have a question for him.
What's the date of that?
Because it may just be the fact that this occurred.
If you're talking about the incident during the World Cup two weeks ago, that wouldn't be possibly on there yet because it would be a different license.
Yeah, the police weren't called during that.
Correct.
That'll be next year.
It was just a question.
Yeah, that'll be for next year anyway.
So last year, uh, Mr.
Alderman, you asked about speakers, and there was a complaint about the door being open and music, and that was this past October in 2025.
And then the other police complaint was 30 days after we were here in which there was a party out front, and the police were called because of excessive noise, music, and drunkenness.
And I that's the first picture you have right there.
I I I'm not sure who it is talking to the police, but that was that night.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you, sir.
We appreciate your testimony today.
All right.
That would conclude our neighbor testimony for Bund at us.
Uh did want to let the applicant speak.
I know he's been wanting to speak.
Why not speak?
I mean I won't say that.
I was just gonna try to answer your question.
Okay, um the landlord is very proactive, as am I, because we know we're in a residential building, and I know that we won't survive if we don't have happy residents.
So that's first and foremost in anything operationally we do there.
And one of those things was we proactively close the sidewalk seating at 10 p.m.
Sunday through Thursday.
It's open until 11 p.m.
on Friday and Saturday.
However, you may have been following the World Cup, and the staff on the night he's talking about the there was a large Mexico match.
Uh perhaps some of these people came from Zocalo or other locations, but there was a match that night that was delayed by an hour, and my staff had already ingrained in their brains that they were gonna close the patio after the match ended.
It ended at 11.
We closed the patio at 11.
What happened is uh unfortunate and sounds like it was out of control.
The landlord let me know about that, and I proactively went down, talked to my staff, and found that there was negligence on my staff.
So I have terminated two of the five that were working.
And I mean, this is how we roll, this is what we do, and we have to have happy residents.
Yeah, that in your plan of operation that you shut down outside at 10 o'clock.
Um on the plan of operation with the landlord, that like that was your plan of operation with the city of Milwaukee.
It does say that.
I know I'm asking you, does it?
I suppose I don't think so.
I think we're legally allowed till two, and I was advised to just put that on there in case we were gonna try to do a block party or something like that without needing an extra permit for without any other permit for your or for however special events we go for a temporary extension.
I'm not recommended to make it part of the record, yeah.
Okay, are you I'm good with that because that's what we're supposed to be doing anyway.
All we all week, including the weekend?
No, the Friday, Saturday is at 11, and Sunday through Thursdays at 10.
Yeah.
So I'll I'm moved to amend the point of operation to reflect the patio closes at 10 o'clock through Thursday and 11 o'clock for Friday second.
Madam Chair, and and just for the record, I want to be clear that if your employees violate that and let people sit out there past 10 during the week and on weekends 11, you are subject to a fine, and it'll be part of the report.
I want to be understood.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Michael, you want to make that amendment then today?
We can make it okay.
Alder Woman Pratt moves to um amend the plan of operation to reflect that the hours for the patio are to close at 10 p.m.
Sunday through Thursday, and to close at 11 p.m.
Friday and Saturday.
And hearing no objection to that motion to order.
Very good.
All right.
Anything further, Michael.
Okay.
I don't think so.
All right, very good.
Well, with that, Alderman Vettez, we're in the 12th Aldermanic district.
No, uh, with those amendments, I have no objection.
I appreciate Mr.
Mintz coming out and the applicant willing to work with um the residents.
I and I really I want to be clear um that everyone should be calling the police department, not their property managers for any nuisance activity related to a licensed establishment.
Thank you.
All right.
Move approval as amended.
Alderman Peter Bergellis moves for approval as amended.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you, everyone.
Good luck.
All right, we'll move on to our 145 p.m.
agenda item.
Wanda J.
Smith, agent for Trap Kitchen LLC, Class B Tavern and Food Dealer and Public Entertainment Premises Licenses application requesting hookah services for trap kitchen at 551 West Beecher Street.
Is Wanda J Smith present?
Good afternoon.
Yes.
All right.
If you two would raise your right hand, we'll get you sworn in.
Do you saw any affirm on the independent penalties of burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is a true the whole truth and if you want the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you each state your name and address for the record?
I wanted J.
Smith.
I live at 1230 East Hour Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Apartment 304.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy.
Sergeant Goodman, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
All right.
I see.
Is it a new application?
Yes.
Would you tell us a little bit about your experience and plan for the business?
It's gonna be um soul for restaurant and um soul food just bringing different food to the area and everything, like fried chicken greens, pot rolls, and you know, macaroni and cheese, stuff like that.
And we're willing to work with the community on anything, any problems or whatever.
Okay, thank you.
Questions for the applicant from committee members at this time?
Questions from Alderman Bettes for the applicant?
I I just want to make no, I don't have any questions for I'll make a comment later.
Okay.
All right.
Are there any neighbors present that wish to testify on this item today?
All right, one anybody else?
Is any who's here for trap kitchen?
Okay, yep.
Will you come up?
Nobody uh virtually anybody here on trap kitchen?
All right, all right.
If the two of you would both raise your right hand, we can get you sworn in right away.
Do you tell me if I'm on the depends on penalty suburbs of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth, and if you would the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
You'll each get two and a half minutes to give remarks.
If you'll start by saying your name and address first and then go right into your remarks.
Sure.
Carol Hoppe 2117 South Sixth, Milwaukee, 53215.
Thank you.
Umce you give a license, it's hard to get it back until there's some major, major killings and strip bars or but there's always a garbage problem when that bar opens up and they share garbage between the gas station and the restaurant.
Rats were running wild.
Now it's been closed down for a month or two.
There's no rats running in the alley.
Um the other thing is I object to the I don't object to the food license.
I object to the liquor license and entertainment.
You know, establish yourself as a good place and then ask for more.
If you give it all to them, then we got it's too active that there's plenty of drugs and plenty of prostitutes walking those streets.
And I just don't want to add another bar with a bar, five bars already and uh radius of three blocks.
So my objection is that I don't object to the hookah, you know, but it's getting a little more fired up that makes the neighborhood crazier at night.
Okay, thank you for your testimony.
Will you stay there for questions?
Pardon?
Oh, questions for this neighbor from committee members?
Okay, questions from Alderman Bettes for this neighbor.
Um you live right around the corner, correct?
Like with the block on six.
No, I'm right across the street.
Across the street, okay.
Did did you notice the problems when there was uh kind of an after set there and there even wasn't a license before?
Oh yeah.
Lots of problems.
Okay.
Everybody, if they get an answer, take a mile.
And when that laundromat turned into a strip bar that started at 2 30 in the morning and let everybody out at six in the morning, and I'd ask the cops where how come no one has laundry?
What's going on over there?
And then they you know, finally busted in the door and got anyway.
Seems to be gone now.
Thank you.
That's all the first.
And you you support thank you, Alderman Vettas.
So you support the restaurant, but you don't want the liquor, you you don't want them to be able to serve drinks with the I I establish yourself.
Let's see your worthy uh serving bulls over there.
Okay.
Let me just ask if they have any.
Do you have any questions?
Only questions for this neighbor?
Yes.
Go ahead.
Only questions, please.
Is there anything that we can do to to make you feel different, feel different about the bar?
Could you speak to the microphone?
Would it would it also help that we are only we close at 12 a.m.
that we're not open to 2 a.m.?
That we're not running it as a bar, it's strictly just a restaurant and not a bar.
You never know until people start acting up or they get crazy what when it's gonna happen or when it's gonna be.
So but we have like if we have we have like a set time to close, we can't be open past that time or we can get in trouble.
Just sit outside and and yak and make noise and hang out, or there now that the pizza place across the street is open till 2 30 or 3 30 in the morning.
Um there's just more people congregating and ah those people sell pizza.
We're selling like um we we're selling food, like uh okay.
So food.
And we also have our we also have our own garbage can.
We won't share the same garbage can.
That was uh horrendous over there.
And no, and everybody blaming each other.
That's their garbage, that's their garbage, but it's all over them.
But just have your own dumpster.
We do have all of those too.
Okay, all right.
And I'm cleaning the parking lot.
Only question and the other thing is parking, it's ridiculous there.
You know, but there's a park, there's a parking lot adjacent to it.
There's a few spots there, but if it gets real busy, this street is all residential.
Okay.
Well, the street on the side of the building is is is only one house.
Well, let's finish up with her.
There's no more questions.
No.
All right, thank you very much.
Sure.
We appreciate your testimony today.
Sir, if you'll start with your name and address, and then I'll put two and a half minutes on the clock for you.
Okay, I'm Preston Hicks.
I'm the owner of 2116 South Six.
That's I'll say what?
50 feet, maybe 75 feet away from the business.
Uh I pretty much got the same concerns.
Um we had problems at that establishment in the past.
Not saying they're gonna bring the same problems, but like she said, we got a bar on every corner.
Like we don't need more liquor, we don't need more problems.
We are we looking for peace.
I've been there for about eight, ten years, she's been there forever, and we just trying to make the neighborhood better.
And I mean, obviously add more.
Uh we don't have a problem with the restaurant.
That that's fine, but liquor license is an entertainment license.
That's that's kind of that's kind of steep.
I mean, we got a lot of kids in the neighborhood.
I mean, of course, they're not gonna be up around the time the the place is closing or anything like that, but like she said, traffic lingers, we've been having problems with that for years.
To me, it just seemed like another another ongoing issue that we're not ready for it.
Okay, thank you.
So you is that the gas station that you own?
No.
No.
No, I live, I live directly across from the we work around the gas station next.
Awesome.
Well, very good.
Happy to meet you.
Thank you for your testimony.
Questions for this neighbor from committee members?
Questions from Alderman Bettes for this neighbor?
Oh, just appreciate everyone coming out.
Yes.
Any questions?
Only questions for this neighbor?
No.
All right.
Thank you very much, sir.
Appreciate your testimony today.
All right.
That concludes our neighbor testimony.
Um we are in the 12th Aldermanic district, Alderman Bettis.
Um, yeah, Madam Chair.
I I will say when the applicant first um came to speak to me, they did want to be open much later.
Um understanding what the neighbors have been through with that establishment there.
I suggested that they close at um 11 o'clock during the week.
And then do or was it 10 o'clock during the weekend and I think midnight on weekends.
Um, and I I said to myself, if you truly want to be a restaurant, those are the hours of a restaurant.
Those aren't the hours of the bar.
Um the problem is is that that location, I think it's more of a property management issue with that location than it is the uses.
Um prior to this applicant, there was uh someone running an afterset there.
The property owner was aware of it.
There were several meetings with the person running the aftersit, and and the uh building owner came in the district too.
Um you couldn't see a thing inside, the windows were blocked out.
Finally, um the person left.
Uh they came in.
Um you can look by now, you can actually see inside.
So if anyone is in there past ten o'clock, someone can contact the police.
And um, it isn't like before where you couldn't see a thing inside people coming in the back door from the laundromat.
And I thought to myself, with those hours, you could not be a bar.
You could not run an after set with the windows open.
They've made all the commitments to me.
Um I I understand that the community feels that once you give someone a license, you can't take it back.
If you mess up your license, it may take a while, depending on building a case.
Do your food and uh prove to them that uh this is truly a restaurant.
And if you don't have any problems in the year, you'll get your renewal in the mail.
But if you do, we'll be back here and we'll figure out a way to to deal with any problems that we're having because you have neighbors that are gonna be watching you all the time.
Yes.
Okay, thank you.
And uh licenses, can you let us know what they have for the hours?
I just want to make sure they correspond with what the hours are uh uh 12 p.m.
to 12 a.m.
or 1159 p.m.
So it's 12 hours.
Uh and that's Friday, Saturday.
Friday, Saturday, 12th to 12 a.m.
Friday and Saturday.
Yep, and then Sunday through Thursday.
Closed no Mondays.
They're closed on Mondays, yep.
And then sorry, let me just pull this up again.
Madam Chair, my suggestion was if they wanted to if they wanted to meet the neighbor somewhere, they should close during the week at 10 and on weekends at 11.
Okay.
I just wanted to make sure because I think I'm looking at maybe an older application, and the hours are 2 a.m.
on the weekend.
Yeah, and mine has 12 a.m.
which weren't supposed to be that late.
So I just 12 a.m.
every day of the week closed on Monday.
So Tuesday through Sunday, 12 p.m.
open to 12 a.m.
close.
Okay.
I see.
All right, so they have 12 noon to 12 a.m.
All week safe for Monday when they're closed.
So I don't know what you think about what Alderman Bettis suggests.
Whatever, whatever is the community feel.
I mean, whatever you guys feel is right, you know, whatever we have to work for to prove ourselves, we're willing to do it in to show that this is a restaurant and not a bar.
We ask for we uh we asked for entertainment license, but for hookah, not for live music.
We don't have a DJ, and then I forgot to mention that the only entertainment is hookah.
There's no DJs, no, we don't have no DJs, no poetry, nothing, very good.
Okay.
Um, all right.
All right, well, it looks like they're amenable to an amendment.
I know Alderman Bettes mentioned 10 during the week, 10 p.m.
during the week, and uh 11 p.m.
at on the weekend.
Yeah, it's five.
Would you like to amend it right here at the table?
All right.
Alder Woman Pratt moves to amend the plan of operation to reflect the hours as closing at 10 p.m.
Sunday through Thursday.
And 11 p.m.
Friday and Saturday.
Yes.
All right.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Still closed on Monday though, correct?
Yes, with a Monday close.
Okay.
Make sure we can see through the windows.
Yes, okay.
We already did that.
Okay.
All right.
And hearing no objections, so ordered for that amendment.
Very good.
And with that, no objection with those appends.
Okay.
I'm sure the neighbors appreciate the compromise.
And they welcome any time to come in and see you know what's going on.
Whatever.
Very good.
Thank you.
And the laundromat will be open the right way.
It will be a real laundromat in the next.
Oh, you guys are gonna operate the laundromatics.
It's gonna be ran as a real laundromat.
Okay, not after.
That's a different license.
Oh, okay.
Well, very good.
Well, I'll look forward to some soul food on the near South Side.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Okay, well, with that, I think we can head into committee.
I'm on the program.
Alder Woman.
Yes, Alder Woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval as amended.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing none so ordered.
Good luck to you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you, neighbors.
Okay.
Very good.
Okay, Alderman Betis's last item is up.
I know.
You got one more.
No, we got one more.
Last but not least.
On our 150 p.m.
agenda item.
Gustavo Salazar.
Agent for El Tapatio LLC food dealer and food powder licenses renewal application for El Tapatillo at 1701 West Lincoln Avenue.
Is Gustavo Salazar present?
Madam Chair.
Yes.
They did uh reach out and said that they wouldn't be able to appear or attend the hearing.
Um request to hold it.
Okay.
You are done, yes.
You knew it.
You knew it.
Sorry.
DeAndre Jackson moves to hold this item to the call of the chair.
And hearing no objections, so ordered.
Thank you, Alderman Fettis.
Thank you, Alderman Bauman and everybody for your patience.
I know we're running late.
Um, but we're gonna move on to our 155 p.m.
agenda item.
Daria Aitken Siegel.
Yep, Daria Aitkin Siegel.
Can you hear me?
Yes, thank you.
Agent for Il Borte LLC.
Classmates have it in public entertainment premises licenses application requesting instrumental musicians and bands for El Ponte at 814 East Mason Street.
All right.
Yes, thank you.
Good afternoon.
Um Daria and Alderman Bauman, will you raise your right hand and we'll get you sworn in?
Do you solve me affirming on the pain sub penalties?
Okay, Janine is saying it was constant of the testimony.
You're about to give us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I do.
Yes, thank you both.
All right.
And um Daria, are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility your application may be denied?
Yes.
Thank you.
And will you please state your name and address for the record?
Do my home address wherever you would like to receive mail from us.
Oh, okay.
So Daria Aitkin Siegel.
Okay.
777 North Van Buren Street.
Alaki 53202.
Thank you.
That's our other restaurant, Loopy and Iris.
Um, we're using that address for now because our the 814 is still under construction.
Okay, thank you very much.
Ms.
Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy.
Okay.
So Nicol Neho, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
All right.
I see it's a new application.
Would you tell us a little bit about your experience and plan for the business?
Sure.
So we currently own and operate Lupi and Iris, which is um at 777 North Van Buren, just a block away.
Um I hold our liquor licenses uh for that restaurant as well.
We've been very successful for the last four years.
We've had no incidents of any, you know, note.
Um I don't think anyone has filed any complaints against us or anything like that.
We uh make sure that our bartenders are licensed and um, you know, we we really are a by the book um company.
My husband and I own and operate the businesses.
Um, and we the uh Northwestern Mutual is our landlord and the 777 building, and with the new construction of the tower, um, they wanted to put a restaurant in the building and chose us to um allow us to be their tenant again.
Yes, we have a really great program.
Also, we do a good job, I think, in um adding to the downtown employee and the diversity of downtown and helping, you know, with the revitalization efforts.
Um so yeah, so it'll just be you know, a restaurant.
We don't have a patio currently that is um the patio that is out there would is Northwestern Mutuals for their employees, perhaps down the road we would modify that and get a patio um license for that.
We already hold a patio license down the street.
Um so it'll just be a normal restaurant, normal restaurant hours closed on Sundays.
Um, I know in my application I put that we would be open until nine, uh I think Monday through Thursday, and then Fridays and Saturdays until 10.
But we do even though we we um that would be like when we would allow the last patrons to enter.
So um, I'm not sure.
I can't remember offhand if I asked for later hours for the actual license, so that if there are people, you know, that sit down at 5 to 9 and they'd like to order a drink, then we should have it go until say, like, you know, 11.
We never stay open too late at um loopy.
I mean, you know, we're always out of there um at reasonable times, and like I said, we've never that's a residential building, and we've never had any complaints.
Very good.
Thank you, Daria.
All right, questions for the applicant from committee members questions from Alderman Bauman for the applicant.
Very good.
All right, are there any neighbors present that wish to testify in this item?
Okay, let the record reflect there are no neighbors present to testify.
We are in the fourth Aldermanic district.
Alderman Bauman.
Okay.
All right.
I do have one question.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Alderman.
Um just a question about if you're closing at nine.
I don't know, I guess uh the question is if you if you're closing at nine, you're still people are still eating at nine, so should the hours be extended?
Exactly.
Oh, you are still eating.
They put down 10 and 1 a.m.
on weekends.
Oh, okay, okay.
Okay.
Okay, I think because I did that with Lupi also when when I renewed our license, I guess like a year and a half ago, I did extend those hours just because I think we were so green we didn't understand that it's not just your hours, it's actually when people would be in there, possibly having a drink in front of them still, whether they paid for it 20 minutes ago or not.
Madam Chair.
Yes.
You may want to also identify whether or not they're gonna have porters.
Porters sometimes come in off hours or like you know, for cleaning shifts that are not identified.
We will.
Okay, and so when are the chair the committee should ask when porters are actually going to be in there because you need to be open and allow and tell us that if you're gonna have a porter there from 2 30 to till 5 or so that that needs to be identified as an open hour.
So it if you have people in if you have people in the establishment cleaning or doing something else, we should have some identification of that on the license.
Okay, most likely um we would have them come in first thing in the morning, you know, around 6 a.m., 6 30 a.m.
And sometimes they come a little bit later at loopy, and then our staff starts coming in around eight eight a.m.
But we also have a coffee shop um in the lobby of the building in between the restaurant and the apartment building.
Um there's a lobby there with elevators to go to the parking structure, and so the coffee shop opens at like 7 a.m.
or something.
So someone is here when they're here.
So I think we sort of I don't know, maybe we based it off of those hours, but so you're saying that if if someone's cleaning, I should have that as in my applications as open for business.
That is that's something new that I've never heard of it.
I'm sorry.
Not necessarily, but if they I mean if they have a light on and they've got people that are like for licensing, when should they identify that there are people in the restaurant, either working or open for business?
Is there something new?
First I read.
I don't think we have that specific.
Usually the hours of business are the hours of operation.
Okay, but if she's taking orders at nine, people are gonna be there until 10.
Yes, and their closing hours are 10 p.m.
Um headed up.
I mean, yeah, typically we we Thursday.
Um we'll cut off reservations at 15 minutes prior to that close time.
But to be honest, it's not great for business if somebody walks in at five to close and you're like, oh, sorry, we're closed.
I mean, then it's not you know, we're in the hospitality industry.
That's not very hospitable.
Okay, one one one moment, Daria, please.
What are the hours that licenses has?
Um are 7 a.m.
until 10 p.m.
Monday through Thursday, 7 a.m.
until 1, Friday, and then 5 p.m.
until 1 on Saturday.
AM.
Yes, 1 a.m.
And Alderman Bauman, you're in support of all of it.
We'll join next time.
Well, I just with that move uh approval.
All right.
Did we did we call for neighbors?
Yes, right.
So there's no neighbors.
Okay.
Alder woman Andrea Pratt moves for approval.
Any discussion on that motion?
Any objection?
Hearing non so ordered.
Okay.
Thank you, Daria.
Good luck to you.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate all of your time.
Thank you.
Right now.
Next up.
Next up on our two p.m.
agenda, Lishanta or La Shante in Rencher, agent for Water Street Massage in Spa LLC.
Massage Establishment License Renewal Application for Water Street Massage and Spa LLC at 823 North Second Street number 102.
Is Lashanta in Rentre present?
Oh no.
Okay.
Have you heard when we're second non-appearance?
Yeah.
Oh.
Motion Bottom Jackson is denial based on a second non-appearance.
Any renewal because it was a oh not okay.
Is uh non-renewal based on second non-appearance?
Umjection?
Harry saying none, so ordered.
Next up on our 205 p.m.
agenda, Yani Portugal Alvarez, agent for do Portugal Circus No.
2 LLC.
Temporary public entertainment premises license application for circus family tint show.
August 28th through the 31st 2026, and September 3rd through the 6th, 2026 for due Portugal Circus at 328 North Van Buren Street.
Is Yani Portugal Alvarez present?
Please raise your right hand to be sworn in.
You saw me a friend on the dependence, but you have the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you were about to give is it to the whole truth and if you want the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Are you in receipt of notes of today's meeting with the possibility that your application may be denied?
Yes.
Please state your name and address for the record.
My name is Gianni Portugal.
My address is 317 West Santa Paula Street in Tucson, Arizona, 85706.
Yeah, oh, I'm like, hold on.
What about okay?
Uh Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
There are no police reports.
Okay.
And this is an event, so could you tell us about the plan for this event?
Yes.
So we attempt to come last year.
We have all the we have applied for all the permits through the city for the building for the fire inspection.
And last year we got a deny by Aldebert Bauman.
Um I I wanted to come and just uh the reasons that he's giving us to deny us the permit are in doesn't don't really apply to us in that matter.
We the location that we have for this event is on the parking lot for the summer fest festival, which is uh you have the address.
So it's within like 400 or 300 feet from the summer fest for the summer fest grounds.
On top of that, uh there is no like apartments or buildings within 500 feet from where we're gonna set up the event.
So I get all the logistics of it, but can you tell us like some background on what you're even doing?
Yes, we're a family business with uh been going on for 30 years.
We have worked all the way down to Panama.
Uh we've been working in the US for six years.
It's a family circus show for all ages.
We do not sell alcohol, we don't know have animals.
Um the circus show that we present uh resembles more to like um going to the theater or going to the movies.
Okay, where people come in, park their cars, uh buy their tickets, or if they already have their tickets, they come in, they get their concessions if that's what they want to do.
They come into the main tent, they sit down, they watch the show for two hours, and then they leave.
If you if you were to drive by the circus when it's going on, when the show is going on, you will see a lot of cars park outside, but there wouldn't be uh a lot of people outside.
Everyone is maintained within the tent.
Okay that has walls as well.
All right, thank you.
Does any does the committee have any questions uh about his plan experience?
Honor Bauman, any questions about the plan for this?
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present who wish to testify?
Yes, I'm here.
Okay.
Can you please raise your right hand to be sworn in?
Do you saw me a frame on the dependent penalty burger of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Please state your name and address for the record.
You'll be given two and a half minutes to testify.
Thank you.
Um, madam chair, thank you, council members.
My name is Jim Plaised.
My resident address is 141 North Jefferson Street, 304, 53202.
Um, I'm also the executive director of the historic third board association where this event is proposed.
Um my basic message to you is we have had zero information shared with us about this event.
Alderman Bauman told us about this hearing last week.
There's been no outreach from the applicant to talk about traffic impacts, noise impacts, um, reach out to any of the affected businesses which are closer than residents to this property.
And just a general message to the committee that the third ward, as you know, at this time of year is very, very busy.
We are hosting two major events as a third ward association, uh, one in early August, one on Labor Day weekend, which is the second weekend of the proposed circus.
And then also we are dealing with in a good and bad way, Irish Fest and Mexican Fiesta in August.
Um, so my message to you is we have zero information about this event otherwise than what I just heard.
And it's just kind of event fatigue for us to hear about something of this scale at such a late hour.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Uh, does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Oh uh member Gellis.
Thank you.
Uh you mentioned that there are third ward events going on.
There are third ward events going on.
Uh Labor Day weekend.
Is there something happening in the third ward between Friday the 28th of August and Sunday the 6th of September?
There is not.
Okay.
Thank you.
Um Bauman, any questions first witness?
No questions.
Okay.
Um, and applicant, do you have any questions for this witness?
Questions only.
Uh I guess I could ask if he was aware that we did reach out to Alderman Bauman last year asking if there was anything that he was concerning him and how we could address it.
We also sent uh emails explaining why we think the reasons for the denial of the permit don't apply to us in some sense, and I can explain that in a minute.
Okay.
So that the question is that I know about last year.
Um I did not.
Okay.
Thank you, Ms.
Pallester.
Thanks for coming to testify.
Thank you.
Um, no other neighbors.
And I'll give you the opportunity to my own timer.
Um this is in the shadow closer remarks and then bottom.
I think so.
I see this is hello.
Sorry, this is hi.
This is Lashanta Wrencher.
That was a previous thing.
Oh yeah, I had a two o'clock with you all.
I was listening to you all, and for some reason I couldn't turn my uh microphone on.
So I've been here since about uh you can you can just hold, we're gonna finish this.
Okay, thank you.
Uh-huh.
Thank you.
Okay.
Um there are no other neighbors.
This is in the fourth automatic district, Artman Bauman.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Yes, I do oppose this.
I posed this last year.
I've consistently told this gentleman that the third board is not an appropriate location to set up a circus.
There are multiple locations across the city.
All they need is a big parking lot, it could go anywhere.
They're not from here, they're not a local operation.
Why they're obsessed with the third ward, I have no idea.
I've consistently told them that I will not support a circus in the third ward with the tents and the parking.
The third ward takes a lot of punishment during the summer.
The residents and businesses are under constant strain from summer fest activities, ethnic festival activities, an increasing number of large concerts at Summerfest, not during those other times, as well as some of the activities that the third ward association puts on itself.
It's time they need a rest.
Never understood why the third ward is the obsession.
Okay.
And so I do I do not support this, and I would urge the committee to deny the license.
Okay.
Um and I'll give you the opportunity for closing remarks as well.
Yes.
So the main reasons Alderman Bauman has gave us for no wanting to support us coming to the place, are and I have an email here that says uh it will facilitate a public or private annoisance or create on the reception on the on the side of our neighborhood problems, such as the soyer this otherly patrons, unreasonable loud noise, litter, and excessive traffic and parking congestions.
The place where we're uh where we want to put the circles is the parking lot for the summer fest, which is a place with this loud noise, this litter, and this all of those reasons that he's giving us for not to give us the license.
The litter and every um uh all the trash from the event is mainly inside the tent that has walls.
So even if it was to be windy, all the trash will be contained.
We hire dumpsters for this.
Traffic won't be an issue because even if we do good, we're expecting something between a hundred or two hundred vehicles at most, and thus we're doing good.
Um the other things that he was saying is uh this reason sound to me more as if he's comparing us with a carnival of fair, which I have nothing against, but it's a completely different uh model of business to what we do.
And there was also on his emails last year when he said that this event is not fit for a high-end side of town, kind of leaning, like there's too many, like I don't know if that's the way I I took it, like um people too fancy, I guess.
Yes, and we have been working in the city of Colorado Springs for five years.
Uh right downtown, right in the middle of a high-end traffic area, never had a complaint, and the high-end people are most of our customers.
Um that is it.
I do not have an obsession with a lot.
Uh this is a family business.
This is something that I'm proud of doing.
Imagining myself the circus in that location is what makes me keep pushing for it.
I know that we could find another mall.
There's more single several.
But if you guys were to give me a proper reason for us not to do it, I'll be okay with it.
But these reasons that he's giving me don't apply.
Okay.
Thank you.
Um and we are in committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
I'll move the now.
Motion by Otterman Jackson is denial.
I'll object.
Uh with noting one objection by Artum and Bergelis.
Any other objections?
Hearing and singing none.
So ordered.
So it does not pass.
Appreciate the thank you.
Thank you.
If next year I wanted to come and do it again, can I apply again?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Is there anything that we that I could have done different?
Because he said they're saying that you didn't give them an unit for Milwaukee's more than the Thar Award.
Milwaukee's more than the Thar Ward.
Maybe come see about somebody else.
That's part I get it.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Oh, Ryncher.
Yeah, I'll go.
Um Artman Jackson moves to reconsider the 2 p.m.
agenda item.
And that is Lashanta in Rencher, agent for Water Street Massage and Spa LLC, massage establishment license renewal application for Water Street Massage and Spa LLC at 823 North 2nd Street, number 102.
Is Lashanta Rencher present?
Yes, hi, I'm here.
Okay.
Please raise your right hand to be sworn in.
Do you solely affirm on the independence and penalties of burger of the state of me of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility that your application may be denied?
Yes, ma'am.
Please state your name and address for the record.
Milwaukee, West Hanson, 53203, suite 102.
Miss Lopez, are there any holds?
Uh no holds.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 12 1725, the applicant was charged with battery and disordered conduct in Milwaukee County Circuit Court.
Uh is currently scheduled for prosecution hearing on schedule for eight August 4th, 2026.
Would the applicant like to speak to the items on the police report?
Yes, so um that is been dismissed.
Um I actually have a meeting with my attorney this afternoon at 5 p.m.
Um, he did ensure me that the court um will be uh dismissing that case.
Okay.
Does the committee have any questions about the police report?
Arturman Bauman, any questions about the police report?
No please.
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present who wish to testify?
Let the record reflect there are no neighbors present who wish to testify is in the fourth automatic district.
Other man Bauman.
Um we are in committee.
Does the committee have a motion?
Otherman Jackson.
Move approval.
Uh Otterman Jackson moves approval.
Ohjection.
With one objection, uh, Honorman Burgelis.
Hearing no other objections, uh order.
Uh good luck, Miss Renscher.
Next up.
Next up on our what are we on?
Our 215 PM agenda.
Sarah Paratia Pascaria Pascara, agent for VIX on Van Buren, LLC, Class B Tavern, Public Entertainment Premise, and Food Dealer license application requesting instrumental musicians, dish jockey bands, patrons dancing for amusement machines and age restrictions 21 plus after 9 p.m.
for Avas on Wall on Van Buren at 12 30 North Van Buren Street.
Is Sarah Parisha or Paris Sarah Pascaria present?
Please raise your right hand to be sworn in.
Everyone will be testified.
You saw me affirm on the dependence and penalty subjurry of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Are you in receipt of notice of today's meeting with the possibility that your application may be denied?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay.
Um attorney, you can state your appearance.
Attorney Emil of Yogale, apparently the applicants.
Um also present is uh the landlord's representative, Mr.
I Habital.
And could you also say your name and address?
Yes.
Miss Lopez, are there any holds?
Hold for occupancy and whole transpection.
Sergeant Cornejo, is there a police report?
On 1011, the applicant was charged.
Uh uh was charged with OWI second in Walking County Circuit Court on 52316.
Uh was convicted and sentenced to 40 days at local jail and license was revoked for 16 months.
Would the applicant like to speak to the items on the police report?
Um this uh this incident happened a while back.
Uh since then, my clients made changes um and runs uh several other uh successful uh businesses and and and taverns in town.
Okay.
And this is a new application oh, does the does the committee have any questions about the police report?
On embowing any questions about the police report.
Okay.
Um this is a new business.
Can you tell us about your experience and plan for the business?
Um so we are looking to do a American Eater Eat sports bar with crap cocktails, um, really bringing a game time experience.
We're gonna have all the games on, every sport with sound.
Um I currently operate, so I have two venues in the city right now.
One we just opened three weeks ago.
Um, Alderman Bauman's district is another sports bar right next to Carson's.
It's called the spread.
And I have a partner in that, and then I have another location in Bayview and um District 14, Revel Bar.
I've had it for well, it's been open 11 years next month, and I purchased the business from my partner that passed away in 2020.
So I was in there managing for the first five years that it was open for him, and then he passed away during COVID, so I purchased the business from his family.
Uh does the committee have any questions about planning experience?
On embowling questions?
No questions.
Okay.
Uh other persons on Rick Pocket.
Um, I just wanted to confirm because I'm looking at a application, the PEP application and the file.
So you're you're asking for instrumental musicians, bands, disjacci, and patrons dancing on the PEP still, is that right?
Yeah, and for amusing machines.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Okay.
And just for context, uh, this is the old Victor's uh uh building and Victor's bar um and all of these licenses and more.
Uh so we made some amendments.
Uh um, we're held by them too as well.
Okay.
Are there any neighbors present who wish to testify?
All righty, a couple.
Okay.
Uh raise your right hands to have one on the board.
Okay.
So you're gonna raise your right hand to be sworn in.
And unmute.
And can you unmute uh thank you?
All right.
Do you saw any frame on the independent penetration breaker of the state of Wisconsin that the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and a film of the truth?
Okay.
Um those of you in the room, are you in favor in opposition?
If you're in favor, raise your hand.
Opposition, okay.
Uh on the board, are you in favor in opposition?
Do you say opposition?
Opposition.
Okay.
All right.
So in the room, you can come to the standing mic.
You'll be given two and a half minutes to testify.
Up to up to two and a half.
Up to two and a half minutes.
You don't have to use every single one.
We're actually running out of minutes.
All right.
Okay.
Kendall Brunig, uh 1070 West Venture Drive, Franklin, Wisconsin.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Uh I'm uh MSUE alumni.
I'm uh member of the Board of Regents, and I am on the executive committee at MSOE.
Our president can't make it today, so I'm here along with Steve, one of the vice presidents, to testify in opposition to this dance club going in.
Uh I also am an owner in the neighborhood about three blocks away.
I own the uh 252 East Highland, which is the Blatts office buildings, which I'm redeveloping into 30 student apartments next to MSOE.
Um putting a dance club in here in the old Victor space is a terrible idea for MSUE.
MSUE has 3,000 students on campus.
This is within three blocks of campus.
About 1,200 live in the immediate campus, and about 1,500 total within four blocks of campus.
Uh this will fall completely.
This is going to squeeze MSUE between the problems of Water Street and another dance club that's going to bring a lot more problems.
And even if it's not problems, it's the number of people.
350 people to go into this space.
Assuming that 120 of those people drive cars.
I made a couple at a preliminary hearing I asked if the uh applicants had ever done a traffic study.
There's been no traffic studies done.
When Victor's was there, there was a lot more parking in that area.
Nova has since gone up.
There was parking there.
The city has put up all the nice little plastic cones all over up and down Van Buren, so there's not much parking on Van Buren anymore.
If you park a hundred to 120 cars on any night of the week, based on my driving around that neighborhood, you'll only get about 40 or 50 cars to the east if they go five blocks away.
So the only place they can park is next to MSUE, the and uh they can't park in the other business parking lot.
So they will fill up Broadway and Milwaukee Street in MSUE.
There is no other choice.
If you need parking, that's going to be the next closest to it.
So uh it would be a very bad thing to put squeeze MSUE between more of this.
You know, we are opposed to any more liquor licenses in the area.
Thank you.
I'll stay there for questions.
Uh does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Thank you.
Um the property was for sale for a while, right?
Uh I don't know how long it was for sale.
Uh MSOE cares about the neighborhood.
Did MSOE consider purchasing the property, developing it?
No.
Why not?
Uh it's well, one, we don't have the money to purchase properties like that around the neighborhood.
Okay.
Um you mentioned that uh uh you're developing student housing.
Um are you developing parking for those students for that student housing as well?
Yes.
How many spots?
I have 120 parking spaces in that shared garage.
In the shared, yeah.
I I own the parking spaces of condo spaces.
Uh currently I I let MSUE park in some of those spaces, and when the apartments are developed, and there's still going to be four commercial office spaces.
So I will need about 75 parking spaces.
I have 125.
So I have more than enough parking for my tenants there.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Uh Honor Bomin, any questions for the witness?
Um applicant questions for this witness.
Um yes.
Um sorry I'm just gonna call you Kevin.
I didn't get your last name.
Brunig Brunick B R E U N I G.
Okay.
Um The parking structure you just talked about.
You said you have about 125 parking spaces?
Correct.
Um, and uh that's to service a new development?
Yes.
And how and how many units are going to be in that development?
There'll be 30 apartments and there's four office spaces.
30 apartments, four office spaces.
And what what's the makeup?
How many bedroom apartments?
Uh the average is two, so there will be about sixty bedrooms.
For the office spaces, do you know the occupancy for each one of those office spaces?
The number of people?
The number of occupants, yeah, yeah, what they are approved for in terms of occupancy.
Um I believe the existing tenants um about twenty-five people.
What kind of tenants are they?
The commercial tenants?
Uh there is a pharmaceutical marketing business.
There is a real estate development company, a law firm, uh, uh will be a radio station.
And then there's one office space that's currently vacant that we don't know the use on yet.
So you said the 30 units are split between two to three bedrooms?
Or average two.
Two bedrooms.
Yeah.
Okay.
So at least about you would agree anticipated about 60 occupants, right?
Mm-hmm.
And another 25 for the commercial space.
And you currently have 125, right?
Correct.
And that 125 is already being used by other buildings, isn't it?
Uh we also have we lease to other people from outside.
Okay.
Currently, how much of those 125 spots are leased to other people?
Uh about 120.
Well, I mean, are in use right now, about 120.
Okay.
Currently.
So you have 125, 120 leased, and you're about to add another 75.
Did you do a traffic study?
No, I don't need to for I have to do that.
No, I can ask you to.
I asked you if you need it, if you did one.
No.
Okay.
Actually, I did not.
MSUE did.
Um you don't live close to the bar, do you?
No.
Um that location has has operated as a bar for over 60 years, correct?
I don't know the exact.
I know that uh when I was at MSU, it was open, yes.
That would have been close to 50 years ago, yes.
Glad you'd make me ask that question.
So uh so it's that location is operated as a bar with a Class B license and a PEP license for at least over 50 years.
Um in all of its times uh that it operated as such as Victor's.
Did you ever object to the to to the to um to the license being renewed?
No.
What do you give us the address of the closest owned MSOE building to this uh to 1230 Not Van Buren Street?
Um it would be on the corner of Juneau and Milwaukee.
So that would be about 12 uh 1207, roughly North Broadway.
Uh excuse me, North Milwaukee.
Okay.
And uh MSOE also owns properties like right on Water Street, right?
Yes.
And you would agree with me that Water Street happens to be the busiest, uh probably one of the busiest bar districts in town, correct?
Correct.
Um if I understand this correctly, you just don't want to see a bar there.
Or is it are you I I guess I'm sorry, correct me for wrong.
Is it the foul is it a fact that it's a tavern or the type of tavern it's going to be?
What's what's your particular issue?
The fact that it's uh it's a primarily a dance club that's 70% alcohol sales till uh bar time, uh the latest bar time possible, seven days a week.
That's my objections.
Are you aware that the application has been amended uh to have uh closing times at midnight from Mondays through Wednesday and uh Sundays through Wednesday, I believe, and then 1 a.m.
on Thursday, and then just bar time 230 Friday, Saturday.
Are you aware of that?
No, I'm not aware of that.
Um would that change your opinions?
No.
The parking problem will still be there.
A parking problem, okay.
Um there's also um a bar and a tavern across the street from where uh from 1230 North Van Buren Street, it also has a PEP license.
Did you object to it?
No.
Did you ask them for a parking for a traffic study?
No.
Um nothing further.
Thank you.
Okay.
Uh the next neighbor can come to the mic.
Uh your name.
Or y'all you can line up.
I don't know, whatever.
Maybe it'll inspire by you.
Your name, address, and you'll be given two and a half minutes.
My name is James Asbury, and I live at 1130 North Van Buren Street.
In Milwaukee, 53202, an apartment number one at sidewalk level.
I manage the Black Stone Apartments, which is on the corner of Van Buren and East Juno, and I've been the manager since 1986.
So when I moved to the neighborhood in 1986, Victor's was there, and it was a popular bar and restaurant, but it was also a very bad neighbor.
Lots of cops, lots of prostitution, lots of drugs.
Been in the establishment myself many times and saw drug usage and prostitution.
And then the north side of my building faces Victor's parking lot, and my tenants would complain to me about Victor's closing noise at 2 and 2 30 a.m.
with people in the parking lot dancing on their cars, drinking, and even though I never saw it myself, there was the firing of uh guns from the parking lot.
And so we just accepted Victor's as a bad neighbor, but over the years, the neighborhood has changed.
Victor's closed.
The supermarket across the street that used to be open 24 hours a day, isn't open 24 hours a day anymore.
It closes at 10 o'clock.
The neighborhood gets very quiet.
Van Buren has had traffic abatement uh work done on it to slow the traffic down, and it might have slowed the traffic down, but it hasn't slowed, it hasn't done anything for the amount of noise, people driving up and down North Van Buren Street with their stereos blaring and their exhaust really loud.
Um I think with the way the neighborhood has changed with the opening of the Nova apartments and the rehabbing of the Summerfield Methodist Church, which also borders the parking lot of former Victors.
I don't think the neighborhood really is the kind of neighborhood where you want an establishment like Victor's opening.
I just I just don't I just don't see it.
It the whole establishment is surrounded by apartments and apartment buildings.
At 10 o'clock, the neighborhood becomes dead.
It becomes like it should be a residential neighborhood with mostly apartment buildings and churches.
Okay, thank you.
I don't want to see it open again.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Honor Baum, any questions first?
Okay.
Since you have been an eyewitness to Victor's forty 40 years.
Would you say that things had become had become progressively worse up to the point of their closing?
So I it had its big peak when it was super popular, and there you had people on TV talking about Victors, uh, and then something COVID came along and killed a lot of the clientele, and uh and the people who owned Victors, they got old and they didn't want to run it anymore, and the business really wasn't there anymore.
And the business that they did have, the business that they were struggling to bring in was not really the kind of business they weren't people from my neighborhood.
They were people who were coming from Brady Street and people who were coming from South First Street because it was too crowded where they went.
So they came to Victors and uh and raised hell.
That's what I saw.
People raising hell.
Okay, now I suspect you're gonna be asked uh later in this proceeding uh why you never objected to the renewal of Victor's license for all those many years that you lived down the block?
Because I considered them to be there first, but now they're gone, and I've been there longer than they have.
Fair enough.
I don't want another business there.
Would you consider your neighborhood now primarily residential?
Oh, absolutely.
And more so every year that goes by.
Thank you.
Does the applicant does the agent have any questions for this witness?
Yeah, just a point of clarification.
Um, and I don't mean to sound confrontational, but is the alderman not being part of the committee supposed to ask him questions or ac ask witnesses questions?
I I don't think that's allowed for in the ordinance.
I know it's a practice and it's done.
But but in the same with the Ottoman asking, the alderman of the district.
Asking the witness questions?
Yes.
Oh.
Just a point of just a point of order and a point of clarification.
It's not well, we always you know we always allow the elder to to ask questions of the neighbors.
Yeah, I do I just want is just I just want to clarify that it's a it's a matter of practice, not a matter of ordinance because there's not I don't think there is anything in the ordinance.
But I mean, do you object to it?
Is that your logging objection?
Yeah, I I I want to object to I wouldn't object to it if it's if it's allowed, but yes, I want to I want to launch I would I would lodge a formal objection.
And this is standard practice by the committee, so I mean if it's not codified, it's definitely within the purview and kind of practice.
I don't know that I mean I don't know what basis you'd have to object.
The local older is local concern is principal and it's managed effectively through committee.
Their allowance or acceptance of testimony is their own.
I I I'm just uh I just wanted to know uh for for the it's not codified, this is just practice because how this hearings are supposed to go is quite codified to the T.
I and that's fine if you I I just wanted to note my objections and we can move on and he could continue on.
That's okay.
Okay.
Did you have quite questions for this?
I do have a few questions.
Um is my is my objection being overruled?
Oh, yeah.
Go ahead.
Okay, I just want official ruling.
Thank you.
Um do you own the salon?
Do I own the salon?
Salon, yeah, own the burning.
Okay.
I own uh uh I don't own the building where I work, I manage the building where I work.
There are other bars in the district as well.
Have you have you shown up to object uh to town?
No, I've been to almost all the other bars in my neighborhood.
And they are nothing like Victor's.
Okay.
But I think that that's not my question.
My question is, have you have you objected?
No.
I have no reason to.
Including the one across the street.
And you have to do that.
No member to object to Haven.
Okay.
I thought about it, but then when they explained to me how big the project was going to be, I didn't see Haven as an issue.
Okay.
Um you talked about all these issues, and you already testified that you never said anything.
And also uh we're looking, I'm looking at the previous back in those days I was a participant at Victor's.
So why would I call the cops on myself?
Okay.
Okay.
Um, you know, I I and I I don't mean to be flippant about some of the things you just testified to, but I'm looking at the previous parents' report here, and um, you know, it's it's it's quite empty of the allegations that you you stayed in.
So Oh, it's been on TV.
Victor's has been on TV many times.
Been on Channel 12, been on Channel 4, Channel 6, the things that happened to Victor's.
But you never launched a formal complaints about Victor's or any other bar besides this one.
No, I never felt that.
Well, since I knew the owner, since I knew the people who work there, and I knew the patrons, the patrons at Victor's, as I was one of them myself.
I didn't feel that it was appropriate for me, and I told my tenants who complained who were more directly affected that they should call the police.
Did they?
I don't know.
Um cops were always advictors, though.
Is there any iteration?
I mean, I we we've they put forth the plan of operations.
This isn't Victor's, but would you be amenable to any kind of tavern at that location?
I wouldn't.
I would like to see it torn down.
I would like to see an apartment building built there.
But you have no problems with the bar across the street.
Haven?
No.
Haven, it's all indoors.
Nothing for Haven doesn't have a parking lot.
Okay.
Uh thank you.
You're welcome.
Next witness.
Sure.
Hi.
Kristen Carcher, 1246 North Van Buren, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53202.
I'm representing Kingshead Hair Salon, the salon next door.
The salon next door.
Okay.
We are opposed to it.
We've had a lot of vandalism when Victor's was there.
Um our parking gate was constantly broke.
We had graffiti on the walls, we had smashed cars, stolen cars.
So we are not looking forward to another tavern coming in.
Okay.
Any questions from committee for this witness?
Question Bauman?
Yeah, same question.
Uh despite those problems that you've identified.
How long have you worked with uh King's Ed?
30 years.
So you've been at that location 30 years.
Yes.
So you have that 30 personal knowledge of the next door establishment?
Very good.
During those 30 years, uh you I'm sure you'll get the next question.
Why didn't you object to the renewal hearings?
Um the owner and Victor were friends.
And they started, I think a year apart.
And would you would you say the neighborhood has changed in those 30 years from when you first arrived?
Yes.
I would say the patrons got more aggressive in the last 10 years.
And is has the neighborhood become progressively more residential in character over those years?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And just so we're clear, you would be opposed to any sort of tavern location at that correct.
Thank you.
Uh questions from the applicant for this witness.
Oh.
Um, do you make the uh slogans on the billboard on the side of the building yourself?
Uh no, we have someone do that for us.
Um I don't see it currently in Google Street View, but uh in the past uh they were quite effective.
And uh and just driving by, I just wanted to uh give a shout out and um a nod of appreciation.
We also had those graffitied multiple times.
Most likely from a drunk patron, I'm assuming.
But no verification on that.
But it costs a lot of money to replace stuff like that.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, madam.
Did you have any questions for this witness?
Uh Attorney Elvia Gelly.
Okay.
Oh.
So I do have one more question.
Your business has been next door, essentially next door for 30 years, or more than that, actually, correct?
Yeah, I think Victor's open in the 67 and Kingshead opened in 68.
In what 69?
1968.
68.
Uh have you been contacted by the current applicant or any agent on the applicant's behalf regarding their plans for this tavern?
Have you been contacted by the current applicant or any agent on the applicant's behalf regarding their plans for this tavern?
No.
Thank you.
I just want to note my standing objections to Alderman Bauman questioning the witnesses.
Um because he's also a witness, and what's happening right here by asking her leading questions, he's just testifying.
And uh the ordinance does not provide for that.
Committee members may ask questions of witnesses.
It is very specific.
I understand that's the practice, but I just want to have a standing objection just so we can preserve the record.
Um is that noted?
Yes.
Thank you.
Uh did you object to the the bar across the street?
No.
Have you objected to any bars in the area?
No.
Did you make any formal complaints uh during the time of Victor's?
I don't believe so.
When when did you become the owner?
I'm not the owner.
What are you?
I'm manager.
When did you become manager?
I've been there 30 years.
Um I would say probably 20 years ago.
20 years ago.
So for 20 years, you never made any complaints about Victor's, right?
No.
And the reason you gave is that the owner was friends with the victors.
Correct.
Um the owner would go and talk to Victor.
Okay.
Um obviously Victor is no longer there, so now the owner are you here at the behest of the owner?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Talk to him too later.
I don't think he got to the but I'm talking to you now.
So just have this right.
So for 30 years, 20 of which you were manager, you were all these issues.
You said nothing because the owner's friend owned the place, and now we have a new person.
Well, any issues we had, we would go there and talk to them directly.
So the issues were they resolved?
Sometimes, but you can't control who walks out of your bar and what they do.
But at least we have no control over that.
We don't, you know, he can't control that someone came and broke our gate.
He can't control that.
And I'm I'm sure he's going to testify.
I just want from your perspective, right?
But throughout that time period where you've worked there, none of the issues were so insurmountable to the point where you felt compelled to come here to testify.
Correct?
Correct.
Thank you.
Uh what what are your hours of operation for the we are open Monday through Saturday?
Okay.
Um 6 o'clock, 8 o'clock, or 8 a.m.
to either 6 o'clock or 8 o'clock.
And you uh I think the only thing you really testified specifically to, which you were asked, um, was issues of vandalism, and I think Alderman Bauman uh tried to lead you and called you an eyewitness.
Did you ever witness any vandalism?
We have it on a security camera.
Okay.
So yes.
So you can't do that.
I watched the I watched the video and I saw them come drunk and break the gate to get their car out of our parking lot, because a lot of times they would park in our parking lot, which is gated.
Did you see where they came from?
Victor's, yes.
You so your camera.
We have cameras on all sides of our building, so you can we actually have it on the Victor's parking lot because we were allowed to park in that lot during the day.
Did you file a police report?
Um, I believe we did.
I we've had police come and look at our surveillance so many times I can't recall if it was for that or something else.
So you don't know?
I don't know.
I couldn't answer that exactly.
I don't remember.
All right.
All right.
Um the only reason I what year was this?
I don't know.
I'd have to look.
Hard to say it.
I mean, we've had no issues since it's been closed.
Absolutely no issues at all.
I know, but you just this vandalism incident you talked about, what year did it happen?
I don't know.
Um I would have to go back and look.
I really have no idea.
You don't know.
Besides that one vandalism is vandalism incident, do you remember?
Well, there's multiples.
I think we were getting our break gate.
Or gate broke weekly, if not monthly.
Weekly.
We'd get it fixed, and then we started just keeping it up on the weekends because every Saturday night it would get broke.
Okay.
So so this was happening weekly and still no police report.
We may have called them, but there's nothing they could do.
We our our cameras weren't clear enough to get any kind of ID or anything.
Okay.
And no license, you didn't send them email to the Alderman saying, hey, you know what, we're being broken into weekly.
We don't want this place here anymore.
We did not.
Uh okay.
Um thank you.
Thank you.
Uh next witness.
Name, address, and you'll be given two and a half minutes.
Okay, my name is Tony Fortune.
I live at the Blackstone 709 East Juneau, apartment 404.
I wasn't going to speak, but I did talk to Paul Henningsen when I used to live in the Blackstone.
So I just moved to the Blackstone two months ago.
I lived in the building 777 North Van Buren.
I moved to the Blackstone because of the neighborhood has changed.
When I lived there before, 1990 and 1991, I was on the front unit, Unit 306.
I worked at the electric company.
I was a new professional in town.
And all these emotions are going to get to me now because I moved out of that building and bought a house on State Street.
I was over in your neighborhood, 3022 West State Street.
Every single weekend, it was a nightmare.
And I did complain.
And I actually found I have my original lease, and I have a letter to Paul Henningson, Alderman Henningson, who was there back then.
I did not bring it because I was I was just here to listen.
But it was a nightmare.
When I heard that the Chicago firm bought the church and was going to turn it into apartments, I was praying that they were going to buy Victor's because they've added on to some of the churches before, and build apartments in that parking lot.
So again, I'm retired eight years.
And so I wanted peace in the neighborhood as a retiree.
And if something goes in there again, my unit 306 was on the Juno Ave exit of Victor's parking lot.
So I had all the squealing tires.
And again, that all of those apartments face that.
And the the noise abatement, the traffic abatement, in the month that I've been there, I hear the loud noise.
If something would go in that place, old Victor's, it would just magnify the problems of the neighborhood.
And again, I don't want to leave Jim.
I was so glad he's still the manager there because he was the manager when I was there in 1990.
But again, I don't want to have to move because I love the apartment and I really appreciate Jim.
Okay.
Thank you.
Just stay there.
Just say there if the committee have any questions for this witness.
That is correct.
And then I became 2004 and ever since.
Okay, thank you.
Um you have any questions for this witness?
Um yes.
Uh is Mr.
Fort for I don't want to mispronounce your last name.
I guess Fortune.
You said you lived on State Street before.
Well, I specifically left the Blackstone after two years.
Okay.
And I bought a house on State Street because I could no longer stomach living in the Victor in the Victor's parking lot, which my apartment faced.
This is back in 1991 to 1992.
I bought the house in 1992.
And you just moved back downtown.
Well, I've mean I lived in the house for seven years, and but I've lived downtown for 35 years.
I've had apartments all over the downtown area.
Um, the Blats, the Astor, third ward, everywhere.
And again, the biggest problem I've ever had was living on Juneau Avenue at the Blackstone.
Um just for clarification, so it sounds like you you you have the apartment and then you left and you rented it out.
I'm just trying to figure out what like what like what time you live, what times you lived there.
I lived there in 1990-91, and I bought the house in 1992, and that's when I moved out.
Okay, so after one year of living um at uh at uh at 709 East Juneau back in 1991, in 99 back in 1999.
I lived there two years.
I had two leases there.
And then you came, you just recently moved back in, right?
In May.
In May.
And prior to that, I was your one of your prior people from Lupi.
I lived at 777, North Van Buren, and I lived there for seven and a half years.
Again, ultra-luxury building, beautiful building, bars around there, but no issues.
And I moved back to the Blackstone because purposefully Victor's wasn't there, and I love the Blackstone.
Mr.
Fortune, what do you think Ava's on Van Buren is going to be?
And I want to see if I could if if I if you're criticism.
Glassby Tavern, public entertainment premises, food dealer license, instrumental musicians, disjockey bands, patrons dancing and amusement machines.
So that's exactly what Victor's was.
And again, because they have the parking lot there, uh the patrons come out, the squealing tires, the loud noise around the cars, um, the drunkenness, the puke.
It's it that's why I moved.
And again, I moved to a very sorry, Alderman Bauman, very dangerous area at that time.
I had guns in my yard on State Street.
I had prostitutes in my backyard.
Nothing like Victor's.
I would the house I had was beautiful.
3022 West State Street.
So again, I felt safer with the prostitutes, the drug dealers on State Street than I did, and I didn't have the noise that I had from Victor's.
So let me just let me ask this.
Uh I'm assuming you have no issues with the with the tavern across the street from Victor's, correct?
Um again, I have no idea how many people are there.
I don't hear a noise from there.
I don't hear anything from there.
Okay.
And so your your your ideas that this is going to be exactly like Victor's based off of the license they're applying to exactly.
Okay.
Plus just the premises itself.
The parking lot.
They when I go to Botana's or any place down on National Avenue, they have kind of security.
They have people around their parking lots.
Are you uh was that ever brought up?
Are there's going to be security outside at the entrances checking people?
Are there gonna be ballets there?
What's gonna be there to stop the people from squealing, from yelling outside their apart their cars as they're leaving, as they're coming?
It's just a free-for-all there.
And so because of the parking lot, and again, I don't have a car.
I haven't had a car for 30 years.
So again, my friends come over, they I've had friends circle and say, we're going home.
We there's no place to park here.
And so if you bring all those people to now a much more residential neighborhood with all of the parking lots filled in with apartments, which they weren't filled in in 1990, um, all along Marshall Street, all along Cass Street, the Nova apartments, all of those places used to have parking lots.
They are no longer there.
Um would you support any version of a bar on that premises?
And if so, what what what would it have to be like?
How would it, you know, what what would you like to see?
You weren't here, I don't think you were here when the prior people were here, but when they were talking about a restaurant that closes at 10 o'clock, that is quiet, that picks up their garbage, that does all that stuff, that they're amenable, they're asking what they can do.
I I I really appreciated their testimony.
And I will also ask, because I asked Jim, I said, Did they come and ask you, you know, or contact you about moving in there?
He said no.
And I'm I'm a business person, or I used to be a business person.
I'm going, why wouldn't they have contacted some of the larger apartments in the neighborhood and say, hey, this is what we're doing.
So I was surprised.
And again, I was when I got this, I was surprised because I thought I moved back back to the Blackstone for a quiet, peaceful retirement.
And it doesn't feel like that's gonna be allowed anymore.
Are you aware there was a neighborhood meeting back in November 2025?
Uh no, because I was well back then I was in London, so I went to Ben there anyway.
So I was living in a I was living at 777 North Van Buren, and we didn't get any notice there that I'm aware of.
Um you said you were surprised knowing that there was actually a neighborhood meeting that occurred and also request for a second when there was another.
I was out of the country at that point in time.
So that would have been a good one.
I have no idea.
Okay.
So you can really hold them against you can't hold that against my clients for not having a meeting that you were able to attend.
Well, uh maybe hearsay, but I asked Jim if he was contacted.
So I I wasn't aware something was going in there.
Okay.
Thank you uh for your testimony, Tony.
Thank you.
Uh next witness can come to the mic.
Your name and address, and given two and a half minutes.
Yeah.
Uh Andy Kay at 709 East Juneau Avenue.
You're 306, I'm 206.
So I've been a resident for around uh 15 years now, uh, directly across from Victor's uh parking lot.
And I have two concerns uh noise and safety regarding noise, really quick.
Uh that specific area with the buildings around it, it echoes.
And especially when Victor's around around closing time on the weekends, every time it was nice, cars pull up, their music blares and it echoes.
And it's you cannot sleep.
So and that's been for years and years and years.
You cannot have your windows open.
Uh even when they're shut, the windows are shaking, and you're woken up in the middle of the night.
Uh and that and with Victor's having been closed now, that's no longer happening, except for Harley drivers, like just a couple times.
God bless them, but it's not in the middle of the night every single weekend.
Regarding safety, I would frequently, when it's nice out, hear uh fights in the parking lot, and not like, you know, just like stupid bar fights, you know, or like a couple dudes trying to outperform each other.
It would be uh a different type of tension, a different type of escalation.
Uh and at points it would be enough to wake me up in the middle of the night, two or three in the morning with my windows closed.
Uh and honestly, sometimes I would move into a different room in my apartment because I was worried that there might be gunfire and a stray shot could go through my window.
And that's not without precedent.
In 2021, there was a shooting outside of Victor's because of a fight on Water Street.
There is continual shootings and lethal shootings.
People are dying.
Uh just down on Van Buren uh a few weeks ago, someone died uh on Brady, Brady and Van Buren.
There was another shooting.
Uh it is continuous.
Uh even on Water Street, there is uh police, you know, presence.
On Brady, they're trying to figure out what to do.
Part of that's including more police presence.
Uh if we open up another variable, I'm worried that there will be nothing that can be done.
All resources will be spent.
Uh and I guess just to reemphasize, when Victor's was closed, all of this went away.
The next day.
There has never been a repeat of it.
I can't stress that enough.
It's like I the piece is back.
You mentioned the piece.
The piece is back.
I can't oh, ooh, so I have to treat it very, very seriously.
Not just being able to sleep at night, but the safety.
I I it has to be taken very, very seriously considering this.
Um, and that's why I oppose it.
I think just stay there for questions.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Autumn bombing any questions for a second.
Yes, questions.
You described some fairly horrific circumstances when Victor's was opening.
Why didn't you complain or attend any renewal hearings or file any police re make any calls with the police department?
Renewal, I didn't know it was happening to be honest.
Maybe I missed it.
Who knows?
Um, but honestly, not reporting.
Uh Jim mentioned that uh you just think of them as a bad neighbor.
Victor's has its reputation, it's been there, it's no secret.
Everyone calls it victims.
I've heard that joke a billion times.
Uh you just resigned to it.
What's gonna happen?
An institution of 50, 60 years.
So sorry, yeah, I there might have been tools I just resigned to.
There's nothing you can do.
But I love the area.
I didn't want to move.
I really really love the area, and it's oh my god.
Just the peace.
The peace that is there now.
So since Victor's has been closed, yes.
It's your testimony that there's been a substantial improvement in the quality of life in that neighborhood?
Completely transformative, and I mean that word.
Thank you.
It's completely different.
Okay.
Does the applicant have any questions for this witness?
Yeah, um, thank you, Andy.
Uh just so you moved to you moved downtown 15 years ago for peace.
Yeah, actually a little bit for peace.
I moved for school.
Uh and I moved into there.
Uh and I'm not gonna lie, like I'm used to bar noise.
I'm used to noise on the street.
I think it's funny.
Breakups are funny, like, right?
Like just stupid drunk stuff is no problem for me.
Uh Victor's is a different beast.
I I maybe if you haven't experienced it, you don't know, but you were putting it well.
It's I I don't know how to describe it.
It's crazy.
Um Andy, I I I do believe you were at the the uh neighbor community.
Yes, yes, I was organized.
And I think um at one, you know, when I asked the question to you, quite frankly, hey, you know, what are some solutions solutions you would like to see, right?
And I'm not trying to say you conditioned your support on that, right?
You just keep some ideas, right?
Sure.
And one of the things you talked about was uh the times.
Sure, right?
And uh, because I think that the initial application had the had had the business closing at 2 30 a.m.
each day, correct?
Um and uh are you aware that you know there's been an amendment to the hours of operation uh for Sundays through Thursdays to midnight?
Uh sorry, Sundays to Wednesdays midnight, Thursday 1 a.m.
and Friday, Saturday, 230.
Are you aware of those changes?
Uh I was not, but I would like to make a note that it wasn't Sunday through Wednesday that was the issue, it was Thursday, Friday, and Saturday that were the fights, that was the noise, that was everything.
Um again, correct me if I'm wrong.
You weren't bl you didn't have a blanket opposition to a bar being there, but you were more concerned about the type of tavern that will be there.
Or is that just a blanket opposition?
That's fine too.
To be fair, I don't quite remember.
Um I don't it would surprise me if I would be okay with something being there.
Um, but as of right now, uh I know no tavern, just nothing there.
I I don't want to compromise anything.
And that's solely based on what occurred at Victor's when it was Victor's.
The 15 years I've lived there, yes.
All right.
And um again, just to clarify, you didn't call, you didn't make any objections at that point in time, correct?
No, I just thought that's what happened.
You had no issues with the bar opening up across the street from like from uh from the victor's locations, did you?
Uh Haven?
Yes.
Uh no, not really.
It's a completely different vibe.
I don't know.
Have you been in there?
It's just people talking about their feelings.
It's nothing.
Um and obviously my client isn't currently in operation, and I and I obviously I understand that Victors used to be there, and so it's a little hard mentally for people to make that distinction.
Um but uh at least at the jump, w what what did you see about the application or when you know for for licensed application from Havens that they made you at least uh you know that they made you want to support it?
Um it was not object.
Yeah, no, that's fair.
Uh it was more so the space I knew it was going into.
Uh and it and I also I believe, or at least maybe I had heard that it was also gonna be like a combination coffee shop or something.
I was like, oh, okay, just a bunch of hippies and cocktails.
I don't care.
Victor's is a completely different thing.
It's a standalone building.
It had a dance floor with lights that came into my apartment.
It has that parking lot where a lot of things was happening.
I I would not compare them.
I do not think they're the same.
Are you aware that uh Haven Cafe has a Class B tavern license?
Are you aware of that?
I couldn't tell you of the difference between them.
But yeah, I know that they are a have a public entertainment premises license.
Are you aware of that?
I I don't want to say sure, that's mean, but now I know, yes.
I know they're a bar.
And they also have a food dealer's license, correct?
Yes.
I know they serve it.
Republic entertainment's licensed, uh, they requested musicians.
Are you aware of that?
No.
Disc jockey, are you aware of that?
No.
Bands, are you aware of that?
No.
Poetry read-ins.
Aww.
But no.
Patreon contest.
Contest, no.
Comedy acts.
That would be nice, but no.
Patron dancing.
No.
Okay.
So you're not aware that they actually have all of these licenses.
I just know they're the exact same licenses we've applied to.
I don't know if it they are not comparable though.
And I'm saying that's why I was asking.
So you're not comparable in terms of what?
In terms of the space it was entering.
Okay.
Uh in terms of it also being, you know, a place for coffee and brunch and all those items.
Um whereas Victor's again was a dance club with a dance floor with a big building with a parking lot.
Um, just completely different.
You do realize there were not Victors, right?
I understand, but I understand the building.
I understand it was going to be called Vicks.
Uh I understand the opportunities it brings, um, and the peace I feel with it closed uh as a resident of 15 years and the change it's brought, I'm just opposed.
You also understand that you don't need a dance floor to to have patrons dance, right?
True.
Right.
Yes, but there's also shootings on Milwaukee and there's shootings in Brady Street and or on Water Street, I meant to say.
I don't know if they all have dance floors, but exactly.
Exactly.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Nothing.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Next witness can come up.
I'm sorry, is there any chance I can go next?
My phone's gonna die and I've been on for like two hours waiting.
Oh you can go to you mind if I go to the personality.
I'm sorry.
Hold a minute.
We'll go to somebody on the big board has to follow.
Oh, all right.
Sure.
Okay, cool.
All right, you can go ahead.
Mr.
Howard Perez.
Thanks, everyone.
Um, your name and address first, and then you'll get two and a half minutes.
Renee Howard Pyas, 1341 North Cast Street, 53202.
Okay.
Go ahead.
And uh uh I serve as the president of St.
Joan and Tita High School.
We're a one of two uh uh schools in walking distance uh this proposed um business.
We're uh right on Castry, so about a block away, and we serve 200 young women from 26 different zip codes all over the city of Milwaukee.
In addition, uh we have a convent in our building in which a number about five to six Catholic mountains in their 60s and above, still road.
Um that is their home.
So and across the street, we have Lincoln Center of the Arts at MPS School.
I'm I don't speak for uh Lincoln Center and NPS, but I'm just letting you know that there's another school in the area.
Um I'll try to make this brief.
Uh in general, this is a very objective uh approach.
I'm here representing the interests of the school and the sisters of charity of St.
Joan and Tita.
We are just in general opposed.
If you walk down uh Van Buren, it's already a mess with the biking lanes that not a lot of cyclists use.
Uh it's hard to turn, it's hard for our school buses to get in there.
Um, and we're growing as a school.
We have basketball games in the evening, um, volleyball games.
We just renovated a concession stand, so we're becoming kind of a community center for the neighborhood.
Um, and I have daughters, and we just had concerns about the increased foot traffic, the lack of parking um and security.
Uh, we'll we'll also say that um I was a bit um I did give the feedback that uh I was at the community meeting.
I I was kind of shocked by the unprofessionalism that I saw, quite frankly, on on both ends, but I tried to give some feedback there that um you know, had we been approached personally, uh this could have been a different story, or at least to try to have some better understanding.
But this is not about VIX in the past.
I've been there just for two years.
I'm just here representing the interests of the school presently.
We serve teenage girls.
We're very concerned about their safety in general.
We talk to them about personal safety um all the time.
And uh we run school buses, we run after school events, we do overnights, our robotics team does an overnight, our retreats do overnights.
Um, and it's it's a nice quiet area.
So I've worked there through Victor's Never Being Open or Vicks or whatever it's called now, and it's been nice.
Um, so I would just have concerns about the parking, um, the noise that people that is definitely gonna carry over, even right now when school's over, all of Cass Street is full with parking now because everyone's jumping on it because there's nowhere to park already, and then we gotta start putting letters when school starts, say, hey, you got a week to move your car, or you're gonna start getting ticketed.
Um so that's my statement.
Okay, thank you.
Do you guys stay on the line for questions?
The committee have any questions for this witness?
Uh Honor Obama, any questions for this witness?
Uh you're speaking on behalf of St.
Joan Antieta High School?
Correct, I'm the school president.
You're the school president, and St.
Joan Antieta High School is opposed to a new tavern being licensed for that location, Mike.
That is the position of our organization for this.
Thank you.
Yes.
Thank you very much, Mr.
Howard.
Um similarly, again, you never objected, or you at least not you personally, but the the school never objected to Victish's licenses, did they?
At any point in time.
Uh I can't answer that.
I'm unsure.
I'm only here for this license, so I'm not aware.
Um does it do you have does the there's uh does the school have any any opinions as to what happened in the past?
Uh again, in my two years, um, it hasn't been open, so I'm only here doing my due diligence for what's opening.
Okay.
Um Haven Cafe opened up across the street.
Did the school object to that?
Uh I can't answer that.
And I well, it's a side note, but every time I try to eat at Haven, it's closed.
So um, I've never seen a lot of action there.
Okay.
But but that's so the answer is no.
There was an objection that you can remove.
Uh actually, well, the four the formal, the legal answer is I'm unsure.
I'm unaware.
I'm not okay.
Um what time does the school close?
Uh actual classroom, like DPI hours is 310.
Buses, last call for buses is around 330.
Uh, it is very rare that all students are out of a building by 330, given after school activities, clubs, uh sports, and then sometimes they return uh later after games or practices, competitions as well.
Okay.
So if I understand, is is your primary concern about parking at at 310 and during school hours?
Uh I didn't say that, no.
No, what's your what's the prime what's the primary?
What's what's the primary concern from the uh primary concern is hi?
Sorry, my gymnastics.
Give me one second.
Okay, the primary concern is uh volume of people, parking, alcohol being mixed with lateness.
Uh there's no, to my knowledge, uh, at least in our area, if you go that way, uh pretty quiet residential areas.
So um, and the foot traffic and just the closeness of the school and the noise.
I have the sisters there as well.
Um so you know, I there's no proof of uh work here, right?
Because you guys haven't been open, that would be different if you work here for a bit and we came back, and so I understand that that's uh a position, but um, I'm only speaking to what could go wrong.
That's what we're thinking about.
And if it gets passed and it's open, we hope that that does not go open.
Okay.
Um what could go wrong?
So you're not speaking from what has gone wrong in the past, at least on behalf of the school, are you?
No, you know, I don't go out anymore, but we're downtown, any metropolitan area, downtown, there's just always a risk.
Um it's a popular area, and you know, they're not coming to our school to go to mass or to volunteer at our spaghetti dinner.
So if they were, I'd be excited.
But this is people are gonna be there mixed in with alcohol, and so that's just our concern is that um we prefer not to have a business uh of that nature that close to that school, given who we serve.
Did you ever figure uh find out if if that was a preference of the school, why the school decided to just you know to open up next to or at least a block away from Victor's?
Oh, you don't know, and it's fine if you don't know if you don't know the answer to that question.
Uh I don't know when Victor's open, but the school's been open for 72 years in the same building.
Okay.
I I don't I I probably similar I can't, I can't uh can't tell you exactly when so I'm I'm on the same board.
I'm gonna have to say I don't know, so you got me there.
All right.
Um so if I understand some issues, the issues you have, or at least the the the reservations the school has are parking, alcohol, lateness, food traffic, and noise.
Uh yes, and I would add for the record, um, and and uh I'm gonna quote verbatim.
One of the owners said we're not required to reach out to our neighboring, you know, partners and and neighbors, but as someone who we're in a community work, that would have been my preference is that I don't feel that we're off to a good start anyway, and that there wasn't a relationship that was attempted to be started, knowing that we're serving young women and then across the street.
I don't know if you all went to the MPS school that serves six through eighth graders, but we have ninth through twelfth graders as well.
So uh that would have been a preference, it's not a legal concept, but I think that was a position for the school as well, is a lack of an intent for a relationship as well.
Would it assuage the school and understanding that at least most bars in I mean, and the school isn't open on the weekends, is it?
Um not no most high schools in Wisconsin don't give classes on the weekends, but we're open for activities and and other things as well.
So the school is the school under the impression that at 3 10 p.m.
Monday through Friday, there will be so much noise and patronage.
That that alcohol and food traffic and and and all of this might be an issue.
Because I'm I'm trying to figure out a solution here, because it would it would it is bring any comfort if we were to amend the application to not allow amplified music in any time before 3 30.
So I'll give a quick example which might have helped add some color.
When I went to the community meeting, the one where you guys were all going at it, um, we had a home basketball game, and I had over a hundred people in the gym.
And this was not 310, it was not 330, it was seven o'clock.
So at that time I still have families, I had you know, donors, friends, whoever might be away games as well.
We're responsible for the safety of the guests as well.
Um the bar would be open at that time.
So we don't operate a school and just think about seven to three thirty.
We think about any time there's a student or anyone in the building that we're responsible for as well, and we operate with other events in athletics constantly um throughout the year.
Thank you, Mr.
Halloween, for the questions.
Thank you.
Um, our next witness.
State your name and address and Joe Spaziano, 1325, two and a half minutes.
Apartment 503.
I'm gonna read the statement.
And my wife, Rebecca Spaziano, same address.
She has to wait.
Okay.
And one percent persistent negative has been victors.
The noise at bar time was intolerable.
Oh, okay.
Can you hear me now?
Good.
Drunk patrons spilling into the streets at 2 a.m., screaming, blocking traffic, causing general disrupt disruption.
We used to call Victors, but they claimed they had no responsibility for any people once they left the premises.
We contacted the police several times.
But they often arrived two or three hours after the noise had subsided.
I assume the police have more urgent uh matters than dealing with the noise problem at 2 a.m.
And Van Buren has now been reduced to a single lane in each direction.
A new luxury apartment has a has replaced the lot where Victor's patrons used to park.
That's gone.
So there's very little street parking.
So people will be forced to get there, maybe using a lift or an Uber or a taxi, and we'll have the old traffic jam with people waiting for them to pick them up and uh causing a traffic jam with horns blowing, the bus can't even go through there.
That's a mess.
So for the first time in years, we can sleep in our apartment with the windows open.
It was terrible.
We can never leave the windows open, and it was very bad.
Anyway.
Thank you.
Any questions from committee for this witness?
Questions from autumn embowment for this witness.
Yes.
So I take it you never appeared at a renewal hearing for the previous victor's.
No, I never did.
But we did we did uh complain to Victor, and I actually sent an email to you, sir.
That's true.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Any questions from the applicant for this witness?
Um yes.
Um I I do remember you, sir, from the neighborhood meeting.
Um, and if you remember one, you had brought up the the Uber lift concern.
Yes.
Um, and and if you remember, I thought I told you that I thought that was that was a valid concern if you remember.
Um you aware that uh my client has uh they've amended their application to have a designated Uber drop-off spot um that would basically serve to alert Uber drivers on the app if you know I wasn't aware of that.
Okay.
Um with that, do you think that would approve that would alleviate at least your concerns related to the it would alleviate that concern, yes.
But with all the people parking in that parking lot at two o'clock in the morning, it's party time.
Okay.
Jumping and screaming and yelling, people running out into traffic, it's ridiculous it was ridiculous.
And don't tell me you're gonna be able to uh to stop the people from running out.
I mean and it sounds like the if again from what I recall, the main concern you had was with with with goes under the parking lot noise after bar time, correct?
Exactly.
All right.
If my client were to commit to having an employer security staff monitor the parking lot at up to about an hour after closing times, would that alleviate any concerns you have?
Well, what how are they gonna monitor?
You're gonna have you ever seen 20 people jumping up and down and screaming?
I can see this from my window.
This is not something someone told me.
This is something I personally observe.
Yeah, and I'm not I'm not I'm not questioning that.
I'm asking I'm trying to put it in the middle.
Well, I mean, I can't see how you would change that by actually having someone present during the during during closing time at the at the uh parking lot.
And they're going to guide these 20, 50, 30 people and have them be quiet.
I doubt that very much.
Okay.
Um, nothing further.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Have our next witness come up.
Um, I'll swear you in after everybody who's already been swore.
Um you can state your name and address, and then you'll give in two and a half minutes.
Rebecca Spaziano.
Uh 1325 North Van Buren.
Apartment 503.
Um basically, my husband said a lot of it.
I have a little bit to add.
Um, there's so many different buildings went in.
So we took a picture when we moved in, and it's a panorama.
We used to be able to see the courthouse.
Now we live on Van Buren.
The courthouse is like a mile, two miles.
So 601 went up next to us.
Those are condominiums.
That's on Ogden.
That's residential.
Our building, 38 high-end condos to the tune of one million.
If our condo goes down, 100,000.
By next year, if you open this year, we're SOL.
So that's what I'm saying.
The neighborhood is gonna go down, not up.
We have neighbors who might disagree.
They like the food.
So if you offer food, that's great.
But if you have loud music and add to the traffic, there's no parking.
How many lots do you have 33 parking spots in your lot?
If I no you can finish your testimony then.
Okay, yeah.
So that was my thing.
I was figuring out the parking.
Let's say you have less than 40.
That's 300 plus people trying to find parking or get rides.
They want to stop in front.
Not saying you're the only one doing it.
I see other buildings.
They have moving trucks, pull up, lift Uber, they stop.
This the bus honks their horn.
The hop is over here on Van Buren and Ogden.
People hit the hop.
The tracks go across.
Sometimes you have to wait, like many lights to get across because the hop takes precedence.
They get their own light.
So it's not an easy neighborhood to drive around and around and around looking for parking.
Then you have Jewish family services.
That's their parking lot.
People cut through there.
So I don't know what your answer is.
A lot of ifs.
Thank you for your testimony.
Any questions from committee for this witness?
Honor and bomb any questions?
Applicating questions for this witness?
Yeah.
Um I think you may be the first person the first person I've heard downtown who doesn't want their taxes to go down just a little bit.
Um so your your concerns here are you you think, I mean, in addition to what your husband just testified to, that having a bar uh go into this space will lead to a devaluation of your condo?
Yeah, if you're gonna be anything like any bar in the whole city.
Okay.
Um in the last 20 years, how how how much has your has your condo depre has it gone down?
Is the value of con down to condo depreciated?
No, right now it's at an all-time high.
Okay, even if we would move tomorrow if we could.
Okay, even after the bar across the street from this location went in, your condo values didn't go down, did it?
No.
Even with all of the things we've heard testify to about Victor's and and all the things that happened there, your condo value kept on going up, didn't it?
Yeah, because Vickers it's long gone.
That's why.
So is it your testimony here?
They that you your your your property value started going up after Victor's left?
Yes.
Prior to do you know the last day of operation that Victor's operated?
No, I don't.
Would it surprise you to know that it was January 2025?
Okay.
So how much has your condo gone up in value in the last 16 months compared to and I want you to tell me what it was the year before, too.
It could go, it could have gone up a hundred thousand.
Okay, to be honest.
In 2020, in 20 between 2014, uh 2024 and 2025, did the value of your condo go down?
20 pardon?
Between 20 from 2024 to 2025, the value of your condo go down.
Was there a reduction?
Probably not.
Okay.
No, we're a hundred percent owner-occupied, one of the only buildings in the city.
Congratulations about that.
Um, I I I just want to ask about some things, some actual concerns you brought up and some potential solutions.
Um you mentioned the parking.
Um your husband talked about the drop-offs and all of that, you know, with Uber and and Lyft, and you just testify to um people stopping and dropping off, you know, who aren't Lyft drivers or or Uber drivers.
Uh with the provision of a designated drop-off spot because there is a parking lot next to Victor's.
Uh, would that assuage that concern?
No.
No, the airport has about 10 of them, 20 of them.
And people don't even they they don't pay attention, they just park right in the Uber and Lyft spots.
Um for for for a space of the size, what would you how how many parking spots would you say you know the operator would have to account for for it to be able to win your support?
Well, first of all, how do the Uber and Lyft drivers even know that they have to get off the street?
I I if I some liberty just to answer it's a very direct question.
Um there will be a sign.
Um you've seen this, the same signs you have at airports.
And once you have a designated pickup drop-off spot, you could register that directly with Uber and Lyft.
So hence if you traveled in certain places, right?
And you could check this out for yourself.
So that's that's that was that's the plan intended.
Um for regular customers and patrons, we were just going to put up a sign saying, hey, these are the designated drop-off and pick-off locations.
So understanding that, would that alleviate that concern?
You you said no, right?
Well, just for Uber and Lyft.
Okay.
And what about everyone else?
How many parking spots would would the business like this have to account for for you for you to be comfortable, at least for the parking issue to not be an issue to you?
Probably 150?
150.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a big nightclub.
I don't understand.
All right.
Do you think you're gonna have 20 people and stay in business?
I don't want to be rude.
I can't answer that directly.
But thank you very much for your testimony.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We have one person.
Is there any two people still in three people?
Okay.
So um you still have to be sworn in, though.
Uh you can come be sworn in.
Well, I don't know.
They they were here before you.
I think I I'll take them.
You can come at the end.
Sorry.
It just makes more sense.
Go ahead.
Uh name and address, two and a half minutes.
Steve Williams, 1025 North Broadway, Milwaukee.
Oh, sorry.
Do you use the sworn in the first one?
Yeah.
A firm.
Oh no, he was sworn in.
Oh, he was a lady sworn in a few.
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah, we only have one other person.
Go ahead.
So I'm here representing uh Milwaukee School of Engineering.
Uh I am the Vice President of Cass Infrastructure at MSOE.
Uh MSOE is an institution, as you heard earlier, opposes a high capacity nightclub at the Victor's, the former Victor's location.
Uh and uh we do that on the basis of trying to maintain the safety and security of the two to three thousand students who live uh at MSOE and in the neighborhoods surrounding MSOE.
Uh our observation and and in fact, yes, our property does extend to uh Water Street.
Uh we do have a public safety force and our experience uh with higher capacity nightclubs such as the one that's being applied for here, is that we have an increased incidence of criminal activity and threats to our students.
And for those reasons, we have to we have to stand up and oppose this.
Thank you.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Uh attorney of the galling questions for this witness.
Um yes.
Uh in uh Mr.
Williams, how long have you been in this role?
In this role, I've been in this role for five years.
And you actually live at 1025 North Broadway?
No, that's the business address.
MSOE's address, okay.
Yes.
Um again, five years, uh, did you ever launch any objections to the renewal of Victor's licenses?
No.
Yes.
We we have spoken with our alder person, Mr.
Bauman on repeated occasions between the time from the time that I've started until now, uh, about a number of different properties surrounding our campus and how we can work to make those make our campus safe.
Uh this Obama also tell you about the did he bring this uh the the application of this business to your attention?
Is that how you you were you be made aware of this?
No.
Okay, how are you made aware?
I was made aware by contact with another individual.
What's the name of that individual?
Do I have to answer this question?
Yes.
Yes.
Uh Kendall Brunick.
Um you use the word high capacity nightclub.
Right?
That's what that's what the object you object to the to the presence of a high capacity nine club, right?
I did use that word.
Could you explain to me what you mean by that?
Well, I have been inside the building at Victor's, and I have looked at the applications for license for it.
And the legal capacity of Victors is 450 individuals, and the expected business capacity is over a hundred at night.
And so I'm characterizing that as high capacity.
In comparison, for example, to Haven Cafe, which I have also been in, which is much smaller in size and has less capacity than the building at Victor's.
Okay, we've dealt with the high capacity part.
Let's talk about the nightclub.
What what what do you mean by a nightclub?
What makes it a well, in the application, the nightclub uh has at least 50 percent of its sales from alcohol.
And another X percentage, at that point, you're a majority alcohol serving premises, and then there is another 20 percent that's based on entertainment.
So there's only 30 percent of the sales that's based on being a restaurant and selling food.
That's how I characterize uh high capacity night club.
Um do you know that those are just projections, right?
Oh, you don't know.
And that's okay if you don't.
I understand that they're in the application.
And I've also been inside of the building at Victor's.
I know what it takes to run a business, and you're gonna have to fill that place up to turn a profit.
If the application had listed 40 percent alcohol sales, would that be true, would your opinions have been different?
It's possible they might have been different, but in total, the application uh was not acceptable to our institution.
Because of the percentage of alcohol sales.
The fact that it is not a primarily restaurant serving business, a food serving business.
Uh I would also add that there are other factors involved in that, including the hours of operation, but not limited to hours of operation.
What makes a place a primarily food serving establishment?
Well, the percentage of sales and the hours of operation.
And also whether or not there is uh a bar that one is served alcohol at you mentioned uh Haven Cafe, I believe that you said that's different, right?
I think you drew the jury.
Smaller smaller.
Okay.
Um you don't know what what the percentage of sales they put in application.
No, you have to let me finish first before you answer.
Oh, I thought you were finished.
I thought that was a question.
I'm yeah, so you don't know, right?
No.
Okay.
You didn't care to know, right?
I've been inside of Haven.
I did care about this capacity of Haven.
I've been inside of it.
You went inside the I'm sorry.
Yes.
Yes, I've been inside of Haven Cafe.
You went inside before the license was granted?
I apologize.
I thought you were done.
Actually, I was looking in the windows while it was under consideration, yes.
I was not inside, but I was looking in the windows as it was going up.
So you never saw it operate before.
I have seen it operate.
I've been in it since it's been operating.
It wasn't operating before it got its license.
Well, no, it didn't operate before it got its license.
Okay.
So when you say you had seen it, and that is the basis for your impressions about what it was going to become, I'm just a little bit confused.
I looked in the windows.
And you saw it?
An MTC.
I saw the size of the space.
The size.
Okay.
So we're now back to size.
So capacity is based on the size of the space.
Okay.
So size, right?
So we're done from the we we're not talking about the the percentages of alcohol.
You you just because it was smaller, you felt more comfortable.
And I have been in it since it's opened, and the capacity has been verified by my observation.
But the reasons, part of the reasons you didn't launch an objection at the time they applied for their license was because of the size.
That is correct.
Okay.
You're aware that uh Haven Cafe has very similar licenses to what my clients are applying for.
I'm aware that K Haven Cafe does not charge cover.
I know that's the question you want to answer.
Now back to the question I asked, right?
The question I asked is are you aware that they have very similar licenses or they're applying for very similar licenses?
Yes.
They have a public entertainment premises license that allows for dancing by patrons, poetry reading, dick's jockey.
Are you aware of that?
I am aware that their capacity is less than the capacity of the victors.
I am aware of that.
And that is a difference in the application.
For expediency's sake, just please answer the attorney's questions.
Nothing is damning here.
This is just testimony.
We we expect no expert testimony from no individual.
It doesn't really it your precision is okay.
If you don't know, you don't know.
If you know, answer and move on.
There's there's really no need to evade here, I guess, is is the is what I'm trying to get across here.
It it for expediency's sake, just please answer the attorney's questions.
He's going to continue to ask them until they're answered in full and he's satisfied.
I I I appreciate that you have a wealth of knowledge and experience here.
But let's be precise and then let's be expedient if we can.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you, Turning Gresham.
Um, let me let me ask you slightly different questions.
I think I have to get that horse.
Um you know strike that.
You do understand, or at least do you know if on average alcoholic beverages tend to be priced at a higher price than food items, correct?
Are you aware of that?
Do you know that?
I'm sorry, I can't answer that question.
I don't know that.
That's I don't know is a perfectly logical answer.
We can't find have you been to a bar before?
Yes.
In Milwaukee, right?
Yes.
Would you agree that um in general the price of a cheeseburger is you know tends to be quite lower than the price of, let's say, a cocktail.
Wow, that's really strange.
Uh I I suppose it might be.
It probably depends on where you go.
I guess my point is this.
Just because the percentage of sale reads a certain number doesn't necessarily mean that higher items or more items of that number is being sold.
For example, if I sold you a bar uh, you know, uh a cocktail for 25 dollars, and I sold you two burgers for five dollars, and I sold you two.
Technically, I sold you more burgers than I did sell you a cocktail, but in terms of percentage of revenue, right?
50 percent of my oh 50 percent of my revenue just come just came from that one item.
Do you understand that?
No, I don't understand the question.
That's fine.
Nothing further.
Okay.
Thank you.
Not yet.
We've got one more person in front of you.
And then the people on the I mean, we'll go to you before we go to the people on the board.
He's already thorn in.
Are you already thorn here?
Yes, I did.
Yes.
And the people on the board also need to be sworn in.
I believe there was only one individual that was sworn.
So are they all here?
Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Well, we that can occur later.
Go ahead.
First, I mean your name, address, two and a half minutes.
Joey Wisnewski representing Newland Enterprises.
Uh business addresses 1840A North Farwell Avenue in Milwaukee.
Um thanks everyone for staying late.
I know this is a long day, but I appreciate your time, appreciate all the neighbors' time as well.
Uh Newland is a community-based multifamily mixed-use developer in the city of Milwaukee.
We manage and own over 2300 units in the area and over 200,000 square feet of commercial space, so we know what it's like to have to run and occupy spaces.
Um that being said, none of our commercial spaces have vape shops, convenience stores, national brands.
They're all local, small business owners, operators.
Um that being said, we support small businesses, local operators, uh, and people that have good standing.
Umfortunately, the the the nightclub, which is proposed across the street, keeps nightclub hours.
Um based on our uh meeting that we had, the one neighborhood meeting, uh um, from my recollection, only one of the applicants has food and beverage experience.
Um that applicant also has had their uh license suspended at a previous location.
When asked about it at that meeting, the applicant lied.
Um we just don't feel this is the right type of business or operator that would be a benefit to the neighborhood.
Um since so much has been talked about victors, um, we're near not here to talk about it, but here how much the neighborhood has evolved since Victor's left.
Um both uh public and private investment has been substantial on Van Buren.
Van Buren is now one of the most pedestrian and bicycle safe streets in the city of Milwaukee.
Um we just feel that uh the the the result of replacing empty parking lots and vacant buildings with more housing and uh solid operators has been a great benefit to the city.
You've heard from several neighbors, condo associations, St.
Joan Antitas, MSOE.
Um at the public meeting, the or excuse me, at the at the neighborhood meeting, the applicant had said we don't care about renters, we want to hear from property owners.
Well, we are the property owner since that meeting.
We I have not heard from any of the applicant or their counsel about ways to improve the business plan, um, ways to collaborate on pr you know having a better neighborhood business operation that might be more beneficial to our residents.
Um but as the building owners and operators, uh it's our duty to ensure the safety, well-being, and quality of life of our residents, and we just do not believe that this business meets those responsibilities.
Uh we believe that a PEP license in a residential neighborhood is a privilege.
Uh, and I don't believe the applicant has earned that privilege uh given their track record and how they handle this entire process with including the lack of neighborhood outreach.
Um we feel that this would be detrimental to the neighborhood and a positive neighborhood trajectory.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Say there for questions.
Can we have any questions for this witness?
Thank you, Joey, for your testimony.
Do you was there something else that you envisioned going there?
Uh instead of another bar or nightclub?
No.
Uh I think everyone has said, you know, Victors had been there for a long time.
Uh new land made its investments on Van Buren multiple times or in the neighborhood multiple times before while Victor's was there.
Um, but I think we saw after COVID, we saw the writing on the wall.
We didn't think that Victors would be there forever.
Um so we did not have another vision for that parcel.
That's not our parcel.
Um we would love to see something that keeps um the neighborhood and residential integrity that I think that everyone has spoken to has been uh a change of pace since Victor's closed all right, thank you.
Auditor member Gallus.
Thank you.
Did Newland um have an interest to acquire the property?
Um based on the geometry of the site, it really does not fit our our business model.
Um we think we love the location, obviously, but being right in the neighborhood multiple times over.
Um just the site did not meet our our requirements usually for development.
Did you make an offer to purchase it?
Or did you talk with the salon next door to purchase that property at the same time?
Not to my knowledge.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Honor Bauman in question.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Uh, just for the record, uh NOVA is a building that uh your company developed and built.
Correct.
And continue to own?
Yes, sir.
And give us the facts of that building, how many units, how tall, how many square feet approximately?
Uh it's nine stories, uh about two hundred and fifty-nine units, um, including, I believe, uh 11 or 13 on the ground floor, which are two-story townhomes that face the uh applicants' property.
With direct access to the sidewalk, correct.
Okay.
And okay.
And what was there before you dealt developed this building?
I believe that was the uh ballys and the Buca de Pepo parking lot, uh, or buildings and vacant parking lot.
Okay.
And at it was those types of uses for as far back as you can remember?
As far as I know, yes.
Very good.
And you have developed other properties in the vicinity, uh, such as a little further south on Van Buren.
Correct.
Uh, we've developed Ascent, which is uh 251 units.
Um there's also City Green condos and apartments, which is around the corner.
We've also acquired uh a number of other properties between you know this area, the east side, uh, and still manage and own those properties.
How long have you been in Milwaukee and in the real estate business approximately?
Personally or new land?
Well, totally.
Oh, so new land over 30 years, personally, uh 10 plus.
Okay.
So you have a good sense for the city's evolution in terms of uh certain near neighborhoods in certain areas of the city or objection.
I would think so, yes.
Objection.
Objection.
Relevance.
And um I think Alderman Bauman can just testify.
He's just leading the witness and testifying.
He's not supposed to be cross-examining.
He's he's questioning against your rules.
It's not in your roles, and at that, he's using it as an opportunity to testify and get all facts.
If he wants to come sit on my side of the table, he can.
So it cross examination is basically.
You are not an advert.
So you, as the alderman are taking the position that you're adversed to this and all that stuff.
You're not supposed to be questioning you're leading him.
Ask him the question.
Ask him about his experience.
Get a ruling building, Chair.
Um note the objection.
Pardon?
I'll note the objection continue.
Thank you.
Okay.
Is it fair to say that this neighborhood has evolved into a primarily a residential neighborhood?
Correct, sir.
There's been uh several vacant buildings, uh, vacant parking lots, or excuse me, surface parking lots that have been developed um substantially over the last uh ten years.
Okay.
Now this there's been a lot of discussion about Haven.
Is that the name of the establishment?
Correct, Haven Cafe.
Yes, they are.
How how many square feet is Haven?
Um I don't remember offhand.
I want to say it's close to about 2,000 square feet.
2,000 square feet.
Of total total pro total inside the building.
I think actual seating and dining area is closer to 1700.
Okay, and you had no approximate number of tables or tabletops as they call it in the industry in that?
There's probably 10 tabletops at any time.
There's also some kind of larger um kind of cafeteria tables for groups to come sit, work, eat, hang out.
Okay.
Would you characterize it as a relatively small venue physically?
I would, yes.
Okay, that's all I have.
I I do have a quick question.
Does Nova have parking for all residents?
Yes, it does.
It has over a one to one parking minimum.
I think I want to say it's closer to one point one five.
Okay.
Thank you.
Any questions from the applicant for this witness?
Uh yes.
Uh you were at the neighborhood meeting, right?
Correct.
Okay.
And you just believe there should have been some one-on-one with you guys across the street, right?
I believe that any applicant should have contacted us after that meeting to further discuss their business plan, operations, any objections we would have had, and that goes to any condo association, school uh in the neighborhood.
It w the the but the the plan was discussed at the meeting, correct?
Yes, it was discussed at the meeting.
So you the previous the previous application was discussed at that meeting.
Since then there was an amendment.
Um but there was no further outreach for that I'm aware of from the client.
Are you are you aware that um we had requested um a roster of everybody who attended that meeting and we weren't provided that because we went the meeting was hosted at uh I believe uh the west or east town, I always get them confused.
Are you are you aware of that?
Was I aware that you requested a roster?
Yeah.
I was not aware that you were requested a roster.
And are you aware that um after the meeting when changes were made, we also communicated that to to the host because we thought that would be disseminated.
Oh, you were did you get any updates on the changes made to the application after that?
Uh only after the I think there was a meeting that was held between now and then that was uh was canceled.
Um we were aware of that there was an amendment filed, but we were not aware of any outreach from the applicant or yourself.
But you were aware that after the first meeting, the applicant requested a second community meeting, and the alderman said he didn't think that was necessary.
Are you aware of that?
I was not aware.
Okay.
Um we talk you talked a little bit about Haven Cafe.
Uh they didn't stipulate in their plan of operations that they were only going to have ten tables did they?
I don't recall.
As a matter of fact, they didn't even have a hearing.
Are you aware of that?
They were on the consent agenda.
No, I was not aware.
I think, and I could be wrong, as a matter of public records, you could probably take a look at it just to clarify, but my note.
For who was that?
This is for a Haven Cafe.
It was uh new Class B tavern, so it was scheduled all of them have to have a give me the date and the time.
Yep.
Because the legislature notes seem to have it on the consent agenda.
And maybe the notes are inaccurate.
I could be wrong.
I'm not standing on to just were you part of that application process at all?
I was not.
Okay.
You're aware that uh Haven Cafe does have a Class B tavern's license as in addition to a uh uh public entertainment premises license?
I'm aware of that.
And a food dealer's license?
Yes.
And their pre public entertainment premises license allows them to have instrumental musicians.
Are you aware of that?
I'm aware.
DJs, are you aware of that?
Yes.
Bands, are you aware of that?
All before 11 p.m., correct.
Portu read-ins, are you aware of that?
Yes.
Okay, and patron dancing.
Are you aware of that?
Before 11 p.m., correct?
On seven days a week.
Is that your testimony?
The building or the businesses operations are 11 p.m.
p.m.
on Fridays and Saturdays.
I think 10 p.m.
on Thursdays, and even sooner before that during the week.
Do you know what was a fit what was actually approved or you you don't know?
I don't know what the hours are.
I don't know what was I don't know what was actually approved.
I'm just giving you what the business hours of operations were that we that we negotiated with the with the business owner.
Um so the plan as you know it, uh the you you talked about um uh the operator and then you talked about the hours of operation.
Is there anything else besides those two concerns?
I think those all the other concerns we had were voiced by the other neighbors here.
I'm just trying to be brief.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Okay.
Um you can come.
We'll shall go there first.
And I think Kingshead Hair Salon.
I didn't.
Chris Dillon.
They're the developers of the church on the corner of Juno and Cass.
Okay.
Chris Dillon.
All three of them are testifying?
Yeah.
John S.
Oh, Tammy, you can come forward to be sworn in.
Thanks for waiting.
Sorry, is your right hands to be sworn in?
Do you tell me if I'm on the dependence of bounty suburdue of the state of Wisconsin?
Did the testimony you're about to give is it true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
I do.
Thank you.
Okay.
Tammy Bachhorst, executive director of East Town Association, 825 North Jefferson Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53202.
Oh, sorry.
So I am here today because I have been part of the neighborhood meetings in the past with the applicants as well as the residents.
And as the exec director of East Town Association, which many of you know is a nonprofit organization which serves the neighborhood and businesses on and around Cathedral Square.
We have a vested interest in the development and what is going on in our neighborhood, and I am here to hopefully provide some testimony to help with this application.
Oh, I have to keep going.
Okay.
So the applicant and their attorneys did request a neighborhood meeting back in, I want to say December or January of this this past year, December of 25 or January of 26th, which I agreed to host at the East Town Association as a neutral place in order to bring in neighborhood and business testimony.
And um subsequently from that meeting, the attorney in um right here from the applicant did request another neighborhood meeting.
And the amount of cooperation and collaboration that we require from city and neighborhood resources is pretty instrumental.
Excuse me.
We had a very successful Bastille Days, and we have a weekly jazz in the park, which I'm sure you all are aware of as well.
These have been going on for 40 some years.
Um our neighborhood, the issues in downtown are not any graver, however, the media likes to paint them as so, but I will say that the collaboration and the amount of communication that is necessary in order to ensure that we can provide free fund in downtown Milwaukee is really high.
So we really hope that any of the new establishments coming to the neighborhood not only respect the wishes and needs of the neighborhood, the listen to the residents, reach out, listen to their older men and women, to the licensing committee and beyond.
And although um I would like to say that I would say that in order for an application for the Easttown Association to approve an application, we would want to see more neighborhood testimony and more residential as well.
Thank you.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Honor Baumaning questions for the so you hosted your organization, hosted this uh neighborhood meeting?
Yes, we did.
About how many people were present, if you recall?
I would say about 25.
Okay.
And of those 25, did anyone support this application?
Not to my recollection.
I did not poll anyone.
And did there's been talk about a roster?
Was a roster ever prepared or maintained?
There was a roster that was prepared, maintained, and I gave the same answer to everyone that asked for the names on said roster that this is proprietary of East Town.
I will let the people know that you would like to speak with them and give them your information.
Okay.
And you do you know if everyone at the meeting sign a roster?
I'm not I was managing a lot of things.
I realized that we had about 20 to 25 signatures on set roster.
Okay.
Thank you.
I have a question.
Sorry.
It's almost like a sign-in sheet that was passed around.
Correct.
Okay.
Yeah, sorry.
I guess my question would be how would the applicant have been able to get in contact with the people who came if they didn't get the sign-in sheet?
Um the applicant asked me to give them the names of the people when I passed this around.
I did not say I would pass it around and giving this out to attorneys to the city or whatnot.
It was more for our internal use.
However, I did mention to the people who did ask for their roster that I would send an email, which I did to the applicants stating that XY or Z would like to reach them.
Okay.
And they could reach back out to us.
I thought it was my fiduciary responsibility to maintain their integrity.
It wasn't a public community meeting and they signed in.
Yeah, yeah.
I I understand.
But it was an East Town meeting.
Okay.
Thank you.
If I could follow up on that.
Although some of the people at that meeting were individual residents, is it fair to say that all the major stakeholders, institutional stakeholders present here today were present there?
Or I'm just going to object.
Just ask the question who was there.
Was MSOE there?
MSOE was there.
Was Newland Enterprises represented there?
Newland was there.
Was St.
Joan Antida High School present?
St.
Joan Antida High School was present.
So all these major institutions which were readily identifiable and could easily be contacted were present and visible to the applicants and their attorneys.
Correct.
Thank you.
Honor Parsons I'm Marico, you had a question.
Yeah.
Did you know, Tammy, if folks from the medium were successfully connected to the applicants?
Do you know if that happened at all?
I don't know.
But you did attempt to make did you somehow connect them if they I gave the applicants information, the attorney's information, the application information, and the app and the full application packet.
To everybody who attended, who said I gave everyone a copy physically, and anyone that asked it asked for any information.
And as all of you, I think remember, we put the emails of the alderman, the attorney, everyone up so that everyone in that room would have full access to any information they needed.
Okay.
Thank you.
Autor member Gallis, you had a question.
Thank you.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um does East Town Association place more value in the previous use of a property or the new uh agents' history and experience as more significant when evaluating approval for a project or not?
That's a difficult question to ask, but uh to answer, I would say we place the most value in what's best for the neighborhood.
I'm not sure if you could rephrase that.
Sure.
Um is the applicant's history and experience operating similar businesses elsewhere in the city of value to the East Tonks Association when evaluating 100 percent.
We are first and foremost a merchant um organization that was established in the 60s to help promote the businesses along Jefferson Street.
Um did the applicant give any indication that they were going to operate uh their new business in a similar fashion to the previous business at the location.
As the Victors, the previous owner of the establishment?
Yes.
Is that um my understanding is that it was going to be a nightclub with food and entertainment and all the PEP things that were mentioned?
If that's where you are going.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Applicant, do you have any questions for this witness?
Yeah.
Um I I just want to for the record, Tammy was just a host, and she did a fantastic job hosting us and doing the you know within the bounds of what we didn't necessarily pick.
If you recall, I we didn't pick to have the meeting there, did we?
This was at the request of the Alderman.
The location of the meeting was at the request of the Alderman.
The neutral location was at the request of the alderman.
Because we had actually proposed the location.
I don't know if you were aware of that.
I'm not aware of that.
Um and I I I do understand uh that my fantasy football name is the Nigerian prints in your email, but it doesn't mean I have all the emails of people by just merely looking at them.
The question being, you didn't provide as as you were you were clear about I mean later on you told me, but you didn't provide me with any emails and contact sheets, did you?
No, I didn't.
Because you said they were proprietary, right?
Correct.
And I respected that, didn't I?
Yes.
And I followed up afterwards after we took in the feedback and I requested the secondary meet, a second meeting to occur to as a way to communicate and and also ensure further discussions, correct?
You did.
To which the alderman responded and said he didn't see the need for an additional meeting.
All we needed to do was amend our plan of operations and then we'll see what comes of that, or something to that extent.
Do you remember that?
That was his response, not mine.
Not mine, though.
Okay.
Um, I I you you testify that there were about 25 people there.
Twenty to twenty-five, correct.
Um I don't remember it being that much, but I'm not under oath, and maybe I could testify later on.
But of that of the 20 to 25 people, one of those was uh Alban Bauman, right?
Correct.
Another one was all the Membersman's lawyer, uh Mr.
Mike Masonman or uh a lawyer.
Okay, Michael Masleman was there.
Yes.
Testifying my lawyer.
Uh in fact, there were more lawyers in that room.
You would say there were probably more boys in that room than actual neighbors, wouldn't you say so?
Present company included.
Present company included, right?
Yes.
I don't know about the rest.
There were a handful of lawyers.
So there was all that there was all the embowman.
There was Mr.
Mike Masonman.
Okay.
There was Mr.
David Hallberg's.
So now I'm gonna give the attendee list.
That's fine.
Yes.
Sure.
I think that's fair.
Sure.
We're gonna parse out the neighbors.
Okay.
Okay.
Um I was there, right?
Yeah, I believe so.
Um Miss Paris Sarat was there.
She was Mr.
Attot was there, correct?
I believe so.
There were about two representatives from from from um from uh from MSOE there, right?
At least.
There were no MSOE students there that you recall, do you?
I don't know.
Okay.
Um there was a lobbyist or some consultant there by the name of Mr.
Craig Peterson.
I really don't know what his role was.
He vaguely said he represented neighbors, and I remember specifically because I asked them who they represented, and he didn't tell me.
Were you there when I asked that question?
I don't know that I was, isn't he an attorney too?
I I don't know.
Okay, I don't know.
But Mr.
Craig Peterson, but he doesn't, but he was I think he was there on behalf of someone else.
Okay.
And there was a representative from Newland there.
Um the gentleman who just spoke earlier.
Um the uh uh uh the the couple the lovely couple here.
Um I think Suze um Madam Chair Rebecca anything Rebecca and her husband were there, correct?
Yeah, objection is this relevant to anything?
Okay.
The relationship is this all in all, from your recollection, there were actually less than 10 actual neighbors who lived in the community who was who were present at that meeting, correct?
That's not my recollection, either way.
And it would be it would be and unfortunately, right?
We don't have the list, because I do remember one.
I mean, I'm gonna testify, I'm gonna have my clients testify to this for a community meeting that felt more like an ambush than anything else, not your fault.
There weren't a lot of neighbors for a neighborhood meeting, and I remember leaving with that impression was the most scantily attended actual neighborhood meetings, meeting that I've ever I'd ever attended.
So I want to ask you this.
Is it your testimony here that from your recollection there were more than 10 actual neighbors who lived in the district who attended that meeting?
If I have to answer right now, I'd say I'd like to consult my notes.
Okay, that's fair.
Nothing further.
Thank you very much, Tammy.
Thank you.
Okay.
Uh we have Chris Dylan.
Can you hear me okay?
Yes.
John S.
And King's Kingshead Salon.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we'll John is my business partner, so I can speak on behalf of the so Chris.
I just need you to raise your right hand to be sworn in.
If I want to defend some penalty to Burger because they're Wisconsin that it does you want you about to be is it good that we'll do it and not the truth?
Yes.
Thank you.
Uh state your name and address, and you'll be given two and a half minutes.
Uh my name is Chris Dillion, and I am the owner of uh the former Summerfield United Methodist Church, uh 728 East Juneau Avenue.
Okay, go ahead.
Start your testimony.
Uh good evening.
Uh and apologies.
I know I got called on earlier as having some technical difficulties uh as I was trying to drop off my daughter to NAS 6.
I know I heard another uh gymnastics data, so thank you for that.
Um, so we are uh recently acquired uh the Summerfield UMC church.
Uh so we share a property line uh with uh this the subject site.
Um you know, suffice it to say, I think it's been stated repeatedly.
Uh we have some very deep concerns about this use adjacent to our property.
Um we are not opposed to uh restaurant use or something that is more compatible with the neighborhood character.
Uh but given the history with this site, uh and and the uh prior business at this site, we obviously have grave concerns about something that looks or feels consistent with uh what was done in the past, and so uh would implore upon the committee to consider uh alternative uses um uh and encourage the applicant to uh revise their business plan.
Thank you, Chris.
Does the committee have any questions for this witness?
Honor Bauman, any questions for this witness?
Yes.
What are you planning to do with the former church?
Uh we are planning uh an adaptive reuse that will incorporate 29 apartment units.
So you're converting a church to a residential property?
That is correct.
And will there'll be apartment residential units facing the parking lot of uh this site?
Uh that is correct.
There will be apartments pretty much facing all directions, but including uh towards the parking lot and this site.
And you too will be providing parking for your tenants.
That is correct.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Um Attorney Ovia Gelly, any questions for this witness?
Um no.
Um Mr.
Dill, actually, just a few.
I apologize.
Mr.
Dillon, uh you you purchased the the church, right?
That is correct.
All right.
Um you haven't redeveloped it yet, have you?
Uh that is correct.
You you you you've not lived in the in in the neighborhood before, have you?
That is correct.
All right.
Uh sorry.
Nothing's further.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Um that was our last witness.
Yeah.
I would caution the attorney, obviously, that um, you know, understanding that um legislative priorities, legislative decision making is not really subject to a review by a court, um, nor is it really the purview of other council people to you know inquire deeply as to their uh legislative colleagues' priorities.
I I would advise the committee to uh open the alder to cross um as a protective measure um and allow the attorney to ask what questions he would.
I would also advise the alder that if there are questions that you don't feel comfortable answering, we can we can discuss and then we can um bring them forth to the committee.
But um with that being said, obviously it's a committee decision.
So what does that mean?
Ovia Gaelia.
The attorney says I'm so our attorney says I'm supposed to be so here.
We go.
And commitment would you like to attack the case?
Every single uh I think he needs to testify first.
He's under your oath.
Um I think he doesn't don't you give him an opportunity.
Oh, do you want to speak to it first?
To testify for the case.
We have to change a procedure that we've been following for 20 years around here.
Yeah.
We're what we've done in the past, if there has been testimony by an alder, they have been open to cross-examination.
There are several pieces that could be considered testimony.
They were objected to by attorney obviously that in effect opened the altar to cross-examination.
Of those pieces, there were all sorts of allegations, there were all sorts of discussions as to the alder's individual process procedure, other communications.
That's testimony.
And so as a measure of fairness, I think that the committee should extend that, as it has in the past with other alders who have testified, and as a protective measure for any decision that this committee ultimately renders.
Yeah.
Now understand that this is unique and we are in a new kind of practice, but this is a protective measure.
Okay, well, I'll say my opening statement till later.
So he can go ahead and do that.
It's happened to me before too.
So um, if he does testify later on, I still will have to cross.
I would go back and forth like this till 10 o'clock.
That's what that's let's not reserve any testimony.
My my opinion is that there is testimony on the record already existent that is open to cross.
There you go.
That should be the only thing that's addressed.
That should be what is open to cross-examination.
There shouldn't be further statement.
I mean, as we have addressed multiple times, because it can go back and forth.
So further statement should probably not be entertained by this committee.
The existing testimony is sufficient as an opening to cross-examination.
That cross-examination can occur.
No, then further statement should be made.
As again, then if it further opens the cross-examination.
So to stop the proceeding at one solid place, yes, we open to cross and then we resolve.
Okay.
Are you ready to that's my understanding?
Yes.
Okay.
So he's not a good question.
One second before I start.
Honor member Gallis, what was our question?
Was it related to the case?
It's not related to this, but I do want to make sure that we have time for committee questions.
About this.
Or about okay, after the case.
Oh, yeah.
Welcome.
Okay.
So attorney OV again, the floor is yours.
Um Mr.
Bauman, is it fair to say there's no version of a tavern you would you you would support you know that they would have earned your support at this location?
Is that correct?
What was the question?
There's no version.
There's no there's no version of a tavern that would earn your support.
Correct.
You don't want to see a tavern at all.
You want to see something else there, correct?
That's two questions.
I do not want to see a tavern there.
Okay.
Um neighborhood meeting.
You reached out to the community association, I think, East Town to have them host it, correct?
Yes.
All right.
Did you also reach out to attorney Maseman to be present there?
No.
To attorney Halbrooks?
No.
To Mr.
Craig Peterson?
Nope.
You reach out to any of the tenants to alert them about the license application.
Well, if you count a postcard notice, which we mailed to, I believe a three or four block radius of the location.
If that's reaching out, then we reached out to a large number of individuals.
Whether that's what prompted folks to show up or word of mouth, I can't speak to that.
But we did reach out in the form of a postcard notice of a neighborhood meeting.
Do you do that for every application?
For every applicant, um depends on the application.
It's a yes or no.
What it's not yes or no.
Do you do that for every application?
It depends on the application.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
So you don't, correct?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
So sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
That is correct.
So you don't do that every time?
I do not do that every time.
Okay.
That was what I was looking for.
It's a very simple question.
This is not a courtroom.
We get the strict rules of evidence don't apply here.
You know that, as does the attorney Grisha.
The ordinance does say the rules that we will have the benefit of the rules of evidence.
No.
Cross-examination is the only thing that's identified in ordinance.
Okay.
Um you first alerted the applicants on the day of the hearing uh back in November that you wanted it to be held.
I believe this was back in November 11th.
You wanted the hearing held um for a neighborhood meeting.
Do you remember that?
No.
You don't remember asking that the matter be held on the day of the at the hearing.
At the hearing, yes.
Well, yeah.
At the hearing, yes.
Okay.
Now the day before that hearing, my clients met with you at your office.
Is that a question?
I don't I don't recall that.
You don't recall.
Do you recall my clients' meeting with you at any point in time before the hearing?
Before a here, I believe I've met with them at least once.
I don't know the time.
Okay.
And at the time uh the time when you met with them, you didn't tell them or at least indicate that you wanted or required a neighborhood meeting, did you?
I don't recall.
Okay.
Um, at any point in time, did you um instruct the license and committee to not schedule this matter until the last or the last possible time it could be it could be scheduled?
That's correct.
After the meeting was held over my clients' objections, um we my clients offered to host the community meeting.
Do you remember that?
No.
Okay.
You don't remember, but at some point in time you decided to go ahead with scheduling your own neighborhood meeting.
Right?
Yeah.
Alderman Bauman, when was the last time you scheduled a neighborhood meeting for an applicant?
For a new applicant.
I don't know.
Okay.
At that meeting.
Um you made your positions at least sort of clear about how you felt about a bar being there.
Wouldn't you say so?
About your being there, I don't know.
About the bar about a bar going into Victor's.
About did I express my feelings about your application?
Yes.
And you've been the alderman of this district for how long?
Twenty-two years.
Twenty-two years.
And all your time as an Alderman Victor's was has been there, right?
Had has been at this location, operated at this location, correct?
That is correct.
You never shot the you never you never um had you know moved you never moved to revocation, did you?
Revocation?
Yes.
No.
Um in all of their time you never advocated for a suspension of their license, did you?
No.
Wanna know why?
No.
Okay.
Are you happy to tell that you tell the committee why, but that's fine.
Well, since you're it you so just to make this streamline so I don't have to question you again.
Why?
Because we never had the PA 33 police reports, and we didn't have the complaints in the file.
In most years, there wasn't even enough basis to trigger a hearing, much less move for non-renewal, whether that's because the police fell down on the job in terms of a reporting in PA, which we frequently see happen.
PA we hear complaints about issues, and yet there's no police reports, and so there's no evidence that we can rely on to non-renew a property protected due process protected entity.
This is not that.
This is a brand new license, no due process, no property right.
We're in an entirely different ball game.
That's why.
Okay, thank you, Alderman Ballman.
22 years.
Is it your testimony that your constituents were complaining about about this place or did they complain to you?
No.
Okay, they didn't complain to you.
I heard very few.
You didn't look into the process to figure out, hey, what's going on there?
You weren't aware of any issues.
I I don't read mine.
I am complete.
We are a complaint-driven office.
When we receive complaints from constituents or visitors to the city, or any human being for that matter, we look into the matter.
We see if there's police reports.
We determine whether there's CAD computer aided dispatch reports.
We investigate what if any factual basis exists for these complaints.
A complaint triggers a renewal hearing under our system, and certainly if there's police reports, generally a complaint is a hearing is triggered.
And I know this chair and many members of this committee have always said, please hold neighborhood meetings.
If you're gonna have a contentious meeting with 15 witnesses, hold a neighborhood meeting, get consensus before we come in here and hold a neighborhood meeting.
So we held a neighborhood meeting in this case after you do after you delayed the application, correct?
You want to know why I delayed the application?
Why did you delay the application?
Because this application had red flags from the get-go.
The first application indicated that the agent here owned the property, was the property owner.
We got information that that was false.
We had to track that down, including the license division has sent out a letter to ask the applicant to prove she had an interest in the property because we heard she did not own the property, but the property was owned by a gentleman in Peewalkie, who I actually contacted me and said, I own the property.
I purchased it on such and such a time.
So we have an application that starts off.
She's the owner.
Before we get too far.
She's not the owner.
Let's listen to a huge red flag in this application.
And I object to his answers or let them around.
You open the door and allow me to testify.
He's answering the question with extra.
So just answer the question.
I understand.
Red flags written all over this application.
All there, I understand.
Who are these people?
What is their plan?
First they claim they're the owner, then they claim they're a tenant, then who's the tenant, then he's a tenant, she's not the tenant, she says the age of tenants is some LLC that's not even represented by this gentleman.
His brother is the principal of the LLC.
So all these question marks, which in my mind, my legal mind says, wait a minute, something doesn't seem right here.
Until we sort this out, we're not coming to committee to have a neighborhood meeting at committee where we're sorting out who's the owner and who's on first.
License division has send a letter to the applicant indicating their concerns about ownership, and then we get back an amendment that says no, she's a tenant.
Okay, now we got that at least resolved.
That took two months to accomplish.
So, yes, we did delay this matter for scheduling because it wasn't ready for scheduling.
Based on all these, all these red flags and misstatements in their application.
Now they subsequently indicated that one of his paralegals made a mistake filling out the application.
But she signed the application, which means she didn't read what she signed, because it's a pretty big difference to say I'm an owner versus a tenant.
It's again we can go through chapter and verse.
If you if you want me to point that out, it's all in your materials, but I don't think we need to do that.
Are you done?
Or is there any other thing?
Yeah, I'm done.
Okay.
Um Alderman Ballman um as you stated when this was brought up to my uh my my firm's attention, uh, we explained and we submitted promptly um an amendment to the application, didn't we, to clarify and also provided the signed lease because it was a clear clear.
No, you did eventually.
You did eventually, yeah.
I I just said that, didn't I?
Yeah.
So um, and then um I want to figure out at what point in time did you go on your own personal investigations to figure out who owned the building, and do you do that often?
Yeah, when I'm reading I'm being lied to, and there's deceit and fraud going on, yeah.
I do will get involved.
That's not often because most people are pretty straightforward.
Okay.
So let's cut you said this you deceived in being lied to.
What what gave you that?
You talked about being made aware.
Who made you aware of what?
Did you go on your own?
I now remember that.
Yes, it was actually it was at another neighborhood meeting on a different property that first of all, I think it was your client on your right that said at another neighborhood might in my there was a neighborhood meeting involving a lure.
So, yes, we did hold another labor neighborhood meeting.
Not soon, but not soon before this one.
There was a statement by your client to your right that says he bought Victors.
Okay, fair enough.
I take that in face value, possible.
At that meeting was the gentleman who owns Taylor, Jimmy T.
And after the meeting, he said, I don't know if that's true.
My next door neighbor, who's the CEO of Payne and Dolan, which is a major road contractor in Milwaukee, he told me that he had purchased Victor's.
I said, Okay, now what's going on here?
Who's on first?
One guy says he's the owner.
You don't make those kinds of mistakes.
That's not something you forget.
Another guy, so Jimmy Taylor says, you know, I'll have my neighbor call you and verify that.
I said, okay.
I'm gonna object.
He calls me.
He's just saying, he actually calls me.
Objection.
And says, yeah, I'm the owner.
I don't like there's no confusion.
I'm indeed the owner.
There was an objection, so we're just gonna we're gonna limit testimony just to the answer.
So yes, no.
Not above the law.
Yes, no, I don't know.
Yes, no, I don't know.
Attorney, and and again, if we're in cross-examination, we're asking questions, attorney.
Yeah.
But but he needs to, I mean, he's a lawmaker.
He's on TV.
If our lawmakers can't follow the law, and that everybody has cross-examination attorney, we're in cross-examination.
I witnessed who testified in specific instances.
So now we get confusion as to whether his client on the right is the owner, and then I get their app application.
And she's the owner.
Alder of the property.
We've addressed that.
The pay and doling guy told me he owned it.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What is it?
So we have to move on from that.
Okay, so we're moving on to the next question, attorney.
Thank you.
Your next question.
Thanks, Travis.
Um so you were provided this information, you decided to track it down, and what did your investigation actually they tracked me down?
He called me, so I didn't track anybody down.
He called me.
What's the name of the individual you spoke of?
I forget off and I might have a note of it somewhere.
And what did that individual tell you?
That he owned the property.
He owned the property in his personal name.
Yes.
Well, that I don't know.
I suspect not.
Probably in an L LLC of some sort.
Very selling your ass level owned property.
Attorney, you're asking him to speculate and then objecting to hearsay.
Right.
You're opening him up to questions the hearsay.
He asked him.
He just said that when he believes he was deceived and lied to, I have I could ask him for cases.
And I told him who, and then he has to tell you who he's speculating as to addressing.
That it's either a hearsay objection, and he can't testify because he's reciting secondhand testimony, or you are asking him to recite what he has heard.
But pick pick it, pick up I didn't ask him to recite what he's heard.
I asked him who told him.
Who told you is different from what did they say?
Absolutely.
Who told him?
Great.
We've addressed that.
He doesn't remember the individual.
He might have a note.
He just I was appos to move on to the next question.
All right, don't tell me please do.
We are closing in on a two-hour hearing, and to our ordinances, there's a 30-minute limit.
So we are an hour and a half past our ordinance dictated time limits.
I'm hungry too for this.
It's not about that.
It's about the treatment of this entire committee.
Are you done?
Yes, let's go to the next question.
Um Mr.
Bauman, um, at the point we had the neighborhood meeting, you had your mind pretty made up already, didn't you?
Correct.
Okay.
And be that as it may regardless, you don't want a bar there, do you?
Ask and answer, but correct.
Um and also just to confirm, after the first neighborhood meeting, we did ask for a second one, right?
You asked for the roster, and I said, I don't even know if there is a roster.
A, B, I don't believe every any everybody signed it.
And frankly, given the 100 percent opposition, what would another neighborhood meeting have accomplished?
But more acrimony, more insults, more yelling back and forth between the parties, and I didn't see that as being particularly productive.
Bob, did I ask for another neighborhood meeting or whether you did or not?
Okay.
Do you remember sending me the document speaks for itself?
Whatever I sent you, thank you.
I don't recall.
Could you just wait a damn minute?
My goodness.
Yes, we need to stop.
Such language.
Okay.
You are very disrespectful.
You do this stuff all along.
You think it's funny.
You're not keen.
Relax.
You treat all the people like they don't treat me that.
Don't pay my bills, man.
Sorry, got under your skin, man.
You're just bad at your job.
All right, focus, please.
Thank you.
Now, in response to that, you responded to me January 30th.
You said the threshold question would seem to be whether there was anything new to discuss, such as an amended application and and or plan of operation.
Absent that I am not sure.
Another meeting serves any useful purposes.
An amended application and or plan of operation may actually receive support, thereby ovviating the need for a meeting and a long licensing hearing.
There was a signing sheet.
However, I do not believe everyone signed it, so it would not be comprehensive.
No, that's not what you just said, and that's essentially what I said.
I'm asking you the questions.
Give me that respect, okay?
Read the email.
Yes or no?
Yeah, then I think I so I did request for another meeting, didn't I?
I said whatever the email says, it stated, and then I told you why.
It wouldn't that email says it wouldn't make a lot of sense unless there's a new information and B that might result in the remote.
And after the after the meeting, after the request for a meeting and your and your instructions that an amendment be submitted.
An amendment was submitted, correct?
Uh if you call that an amendment of very minor marginal aspects of the deal, which didn't seem to me you you amended the name.
Oh my god.
Just answer the question.
Yes or no was a good idea.
So yeah, this side can you just say yes or no?
Crap.
Wait, was it answered?
Yes or no?
Again with such language, is this how you talking court?
Did you get the what did you what was the question?
Send in court.
You think you I have questions for that.
Was an amendment submitted to the remote.
Did I send you that amendment?
That email, yes.
Amendments were submitted, yes.
I don't know how you're talking about.
After the amendment was submitted.
Right.
Did you provide any further feedback or the need for or meetings?
Did you reach out to the applicant at all to say, hey, I have any issues with this?
No.
No.
Nothing further.
Okay, thank you.
Madam Chair.
Umless, and then I'll go to honor person's A Rita.
Were you in the queue already?
I have questions.
I want to cross.
If you open questions for Bob, the attorney process is to let the committee ask questions.
My question was for the applicant, so I'll I understand that.
The committee, if you if you do it, Emil gets a final word.
That's that's how this works.
That's how cross-examination works.
So if you open and they have an appeal or a final say or final question that does continue to open up, I just want to look.
Then the alder for the district, then the applicant.
And the applicant is last, and that's intentional.
And so by So we should have allowed the committee to ask first.
Effectively, we have in welcoming Bob into the committee, he's operating as a witness.
So yes, you can open it back up, but again, we open as the last speaker.
The last questioner is the applicant.
Okay, I'll forego asking my question.
I have a question for the applicant.
Thank you.
Um so we've uh talked a little bit about plans for the business, how you plan to mitigate neighborhood impacts and traffic and noise.
Um, but we haven't really talked about the applicants or your history um running similar businesses elsewhere in the city.
So my question is for licensing, licensing.
Um the applicant is also the agent for uh uh revel.
Rebel, revel.
Revel.
Um has there been any disciplinary action for rebel?
Uh if you give me a second, I will double check.
Or disciplinary action or uh neighborhood objections to the operation of that business?
Because I think that's wholly relevant while licensing is looking that up.
While licensing is looking that up, are you aware of any neighborhood objections or disciplinary action from the committee for your other license?
It was involving an off-duty police officer and a security guard.
It ended up going to court.
It was dismissed.
But was there any disciplinary actions?
Was there any disciplinary action?
Okay.
But then when at trial the case was dismissed.
Did that business ever receive any objections from neighbors about poor operations, noise?
Uh we've gotten some noise complaints over the years.
We've I've had you know a lot of communication with my elder woman's office.
And what did you do to mitigate those noise complaints?
A lot.
I'm very, very involved in the community.
Um I run, I'm part of the Bayview Safety Network.
I run our Facebook page.
I have open communication at all times with our neighbors.
They all have my phone number.
Um we at one point, I want to say when I was purchasing the business from my late partner's family, had our hours taken away because of noise complaints, and I had to work really hard for two years to get our hours back.
So yeah.
So I'm not, I mean, I'm very transparent.
I do a lot of work in the community.
I try to keep an open work as far as communication.
And you're a you're a shareholder in another licensed business, right?
Um what's that called?
This broaden, 1137 North MLK.
Uh, and then any disciplinary action for that business?
No, we just opened three weeks ago.
You just opened it.
Any neighborhood objections in the last three weeks?
No.
On that point, can I just ask some clarificing clarifying questions about the license?
Yeah.
Just since it's on that point.
About the the revel the disciplinary um do you remember how many days that suspension was for?
The minimum at the seven, I think at the time.
Okay.
Um and this was primarily you testified as a result of um, I think an off-duty officer who was a patron and a security guard.
Yes, the off-duty officer was that night intoxicated and um leaving.
And that case was actually charged.
Um the the security officer was charged, correct?
He was.
Um, and uh and was acquitted by a jury of his peers, correct?
For self-defense.
Correct.
Okay.
Um and as part of that process, if you remember, um, you you also had to cut back your hours.
Do you remember that?
Yes.
Um, and after that incident and after the court process played out, um, what are your did you were you able to get your hours back based on your change of opportunity?
Yeah, but and and in the interim of that, I was suspended pending the outcome of the court process, which I didn't necessarily agree with, but also like it I understand, you know what it is, what it is.
Um so my license was suspended because of that situation with it being an off-duty MPD officer.
Um and because of that, my hours were cut back.
Um I'm sorry, what was your question?
That's fine.
I was just with us.
What is hours afterwards?
My brain hurts.
After working through those matters with all the men all the women's office.
Yeah, it was a lot, it costs us a lot, honestly.
We were closing at midnight or 1230 on weekends.
I mean my question is were those hours ultimately restored?
Yes.
Yes.
And in the last five years since that incident, have there been any other issues?
I that's my only suspension I've ever had.
Thank you.
I guess um we uh we've we've uncovered the looking now.
Okay, uh 2021, maybe.
Again, we've addressed it.
I don't know.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Um I have a question, Madam Chair.
Go ahead.
For the applicant, um initially on the initial applications.
I thought I know it's Ava's on Van Buren now, but when you initially applied, were you not calling it Victors?
Were you trying to keep the name Victors on the initial application?
It was called VIX on Van Buren at the neighborhood meeting.
Someone raised an objection and says, Hey, we just don't like that name, and uh we don't want people attracted to that.
So as a concession, um my client decided to change the the the doing business as name as well.
Okay.
Thank you.
I found it.
So can I go to closing remarks or it was suspension on 2022?
Okay.
Oh they found the information for uh Alder Member Dallas mentioned.
You found the information for Ottoman dispensation was grounded on 2022.
How long give me a moment?
I think it's okay.
We've already gotten the information from the applicant.
Oh my god.
Okay.
So any questions from committee for application?
You can wrap up.
I mean, let's final statements, whatever you might be.
Um, I'm gonna ask another, please.
I'd like to ask, I mean, I didn't get to at your discretion.
Um, all right, I know you said at the beginning it's gonna be a sports bar, and yet the PEP still has you know, DJ and patrons dancing and instrumental musicians.
Did you consider maybe maybe if we eliminate that from the PEP and truly make it a sports bar, is that something that could be pursued that could potentially you know get away from these talking points that the folks keep calling it a nightclub.
Uh um although I'm in Zammeriper, one of the frustrating things about this entire process is trying to engage with stakeholders when the wall when the well has been poisoned by the most important person.
And so you heard, and that's why I asked certain questions.
What version of this would you want to see?
When the alderman says and says it doesn't matter, I don't want to see a bar there, there oftentimes aren't any modifications you can you can make that would appease folks.
But within, and and I'll be very honest with you, at the neighborhood meeting, there were the actual neighbors who showed up, um uh folks like a couple over here, um, they were very, very they were amenable, they were open, they were talking with us, and we were trying to work through things, and that's why we wanted to have that secondary meeting and say, hey, this is what we've done.
What do you what do you think we should do next?
Obviously, that didn't happen.
Institutional stakeholders, it's a little bit different because even with the the school, those positions come from their board, so you're talking to someone, regardless of what their personal opinions might be, they still have to feel a certain way.
So in my own head, I was thinking, hey, we're gonna have this meeting, and they have something to take back.
The truth of the matter is it's not going to be a nightclub.
All a lot of sports bars have the exact same licenses, and that's why I keep I've been to Haven's Cafe, it's an amazing place, it's an awesome establishment, and I I don't want anyone to get the impression that me mentioning them is to disparage their operations in any way.
Well, you heard people describe it.
That's technically uh uh that's technically uh a coffee cocktail lounge or bar or whatever it might be, but it has those licenses.
And no one's asking and saying, hey, why do you have patrons dancing when you're a coffee house?
No one's asking why do you have amusement machines if you're if you're if you're a coffee place, so you know it's it's the shifting standards.
And you know, again, right?
We're willing to put in the whole idea of a nightclub is such a nebulous definition, because it's hard.
What makes a place a nightclub?
And that's a question, and that's why when I asked that question, I wasn't joking.
What?
Not like the words.
Yes, right.
And we can you know we can we can stipulate to it not having it being a nightclub, but it's like if I said that to people, I I don't know what that means in terms of the realities of a license.
Um we removed some good points was like, hey, why do you have uh you know dancing by performance?
We took that off, right?
Um just to kind of streamline it.
And so the whole patrons by dancing thing, we were we would have taken that off.
The problem we had is so if someone's standing by their chair and they and they moved their bodies in a certain way, and you just so happen to stop in.
Does that now mean that you're violating your your your your your your your PEP license?
Because if that's the case, every bar that has a PEP license that has patrons down, or where people do this next to their chair, you have patrons dancing.
And so it was more so, hey, so we we did some modifications, the hours were all the way to 230, and we gave all of this stuff.
And at a certain point in time, when we weren't getting any give and take in like you know, communications, and you just you're dealing with some people, a few people who really want to engage, but the wall the well has been poisoned and and and it's like hey, nothing you do, it becomes a little bit harder to determine how best to move forward, and that's what we got to.
Okay, I just have a couple more follow-up questions.
The restaurant.
Um, I too patronized Victor's over the years, and I remember they had a supper club type restaurant.
Are you looking at maintaining that?
I saw you have food.
Well, it would be the same type of restaurant, kind of supper club style.
It not not supper club style, right?
So it's an American eatery, so primarily burgers, fries, pizzas, and things of that nature to kind of get into the sports, the sports atmosphere, right?
And and and also too, right?
If and if you if you if you could tell, we it was hard trying to track down what the real concerns were.
If if the concerns like, hey, these hours, that's the main concern, right?
We could focus on that, but then you do that, then we're being told for a place that has over 30 parking spots.
Well, parking's not enough, this is not enough, and it's like, okay, what can we do?
And we're being asked to to do things that I think a lot of bars are not asked uh asked to do.
So I please my clients are very open to to to making certain changes, but it has to make sense within their program.
We've been trying to do that.
And did Victor, did you guys what did Victor say about this?
Are you surprised at this reaction from the community when Victor's operated for so many decades, apparently without any?
It's surprising to me that there was they never.
I mean, if so many people are against, even though this operation will be nothing like that.
We pulled we pulled the requirements.
We pulled the T 33, so there was nothing, and and so we were a little surprised.
Yeah.
All right, sorry, I just had this, even though the operation will be nothing like their operation, except for obviously the sheer size, I mean the size of the building is the size of the building.
Um, but it's not.
I also used to go to Victor's, it's not that's not the vibe.
That's not it's we're going to be a sports bar, an eatery.
Uh a PAP license is great for watch parties, box parties, green bay party, you know what I'm saying?
Like that's the value of a PAP license in a sports bar.
Thank you.
Thank you, madam chair.
Any other questions from committee?
Okay.
So I'm gonna go to the closing.
Uh real quick, yeah.
Well, I mean, yeah, are you guys willing to close earlier?
Um I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't realize that.
What's what is the what is the closing proposed closing time now as amended?
So we had sent for the original application had 2 30 a.m., which was what Victor's had.
Okay.
All days.
So we changed the um hours to midnight, Sunday through uh Wednesday, 1 a.m.
on Thursday, and regular bar close uh times on the weekends, Saturdays and Sundays at 2 30 a.m.
And we had sent that over Saturdays Fridays and Saturdays and I'm at C2.
Thank you.
Um I'll go to attorney Oviageli to give you your closing.
So no closing for me.
He's gonna ask you more questions.
I don't care.
I do want to find make a final point here because I think we this has gotten a little off track, and I'd like to explain why.
I mean the fundamental issue here is really a land use question.
I do not want to see a tavern at this location because the neighborhood is fundamentally changed in 60 years.
When Victor's was built and open for business, that was an urban renewal wasteland.
A tremendous amount of the neighborhood has been demolished through urban renewal.
The vacant lots, but it was across the street, previously had homes and townhomes and apartment buildings.
It was literally a wasteland in that area.
And was a it's hard to say it was residential, it's hard to even say it was commercial, it was really a wasteland.
And they set up shop, fine.
Time has changed.
The neighborhood has fundamentally changed from when the original Victors went in.
Now it was changing all along, but Victor's was an established business, they had a property right.
We couldn't just move them out of the way because the neighborhood around them was changing.
Well, now they're gone, they're closed, and as you heard testimony, the neighborhood has substantially improved since they've been closed.
All the residential parts of the neighborhood.
And I might add, I mean, it's such a residential area, and I'm gonna ask everybody to take to initial notice of the city's zoning code, and I'll pass around the def definitely definition of C do you really want him to do this?
It's public record.
Okay, C9G zoning, which reads in pertinent part, and I've highlighted the portion.
Uh high density residential C9G, which is the Victor's zoning district.
The high density residential district is designed and intended to serve as a highly urban living environment for those persons or families desirous of a residential location in close proximity to the city's downtown is delineated in the city's comprehensive plan.
That's exactly what the witnesses have said.
That's all with verbatim, what they have said.
And then we go to the land use table, and what do you know?
In a C9, a zoning district, a tavern is a special use.
It requires a board of zoning appeals action to get an occupancy.
It's that signifies the fact that under the city's policy making in the land use arena, this location is no longer suited for a tavern.
It permitted technically, but it has to go through another one of these hearings.
With the same witnesses, everybody else who traips down here, even more lawyers, probably, because now we're in the land use arena.
The fundamental issue here to me is the land use question.
This location no longer should be a tavern under anybody's ownership and operation of any kind, whether it's a sports bar or a nightclub or a family oriented, whatever you want to call it, it should no longer be a tavern.
The taverns are already singled out as being technically permitted, but requiring a special permit from the Board of Zonia Appeals because of the special circumstances surrounding it.
You heard testimony from real neighbors, not stakeholders, real neighbors, that basically said exactly that this has become a residential area, not an area where there should be taverns, especially ones with 495 capacity, maybe 12, 13,000 square feet in size, and with a large parking lot, versus this haven, which everyone is so worked up about because they have the same technical license, is a fraction of the size, but a fraction of the capacity.
Yes, I had no objection to Haven.
Why?
Because it was a small, low-key neighborhood type of location, not a big destination tavern, which when you have 465, 49, 450 capacity, that is what you are, a destination tavern, drawing people from all over the city.
And with the changes to the street, the protected bike lanes, the reduction in travel lanes, the virtual elimination of street parking on one side of the street.
It is substantially changed in character since the last time Victor's was opened.
They don't have a property right.
This bit this property should be developed for something else, presumably some sort of residential use, and a tavern does not belong there.
That's always been the bottom line of my position on this matter.
Thank you.
Did Haven go to Boza?
Nope.
No, they didn't have to.
That's a different district across the street.
Different district.
Attorney Ovi Gaeli.
I have questions.
Okay, go ahead.
Um so we could grant the license, and this might probably be a question for our licenses, but we could grant the license to Ava's and Van Buren, and they still could ultimately get denied because it has to go to Boza, correct?
That's a contention for the applicant.
They have a standing complaints.
So that's in debate and up in the air.
So a definitive answer is not going to be provided today.
But I are they set to go to Mozart?
They have not applied to both though, but they have an objection and standing argument as to their treatment as to whether or not they should be an appearance in front of BOSA at all.
All right, thank you.
Was that because of the time the last business was open?
What was that date again?
January 1st, 2025.
I think it's just when was this original application made?
August 2025.
So less than 12 months.
So they wouldn't have to go to Boza because the use would be the same.
That's the debate.
Yes.
Law is not clear.
So there'll be more litigation over this, which is great for the lawyers.
There will be more litigation.
You don't know how to do that.
I still have the floor.
That was that faith in our government.
This is the political efficiency.
I still have the floor.
I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.
I still have the floor.
I apologize.
So the law is clear.
If the same use comes in within 12 months, then there is no need for BOSA.
That is clear.
Yes.
Yes.
That's that's the advice that I've gotten from the city attorney's office on multiple occasions.
That is mostly for vape shops.
But so again, if you want me to opine right now as to the specific license and the specific operation, there's a risk that I'm going to not only misstate it, but potentially put something on the record that makes the city in an awkward or untenable position later.
So the city attorney's office doesn't want to answer.
Okay.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I'm done.
I don't think I don't think the client wants me to answer.
It's kind of the more robust response.
Given the timing and circumstances and changes in ordinances taking place.
Attorney Ovia Gailey closing statement.
Um thank you very much for your time and thanks, everyone, for making time.
I think what we have here is a naked display, or at least an attempted naked display of aldermatic privilege.
Um I come before this board, and I I I I had reasons to interact with many of you.
Um the beginning of this entire process, Mr.
Bauman treated my clients with abject disrespect.
Bauman treated my clients with abject disrespect, treated me as well, including an incident which involved him threatening me outside right after his election for an ultra for a candidate of uh as opposing candidate that I didn't support.
And I have to bring this up.
I have to bring it up because I am sick and tired.
I'm sick and tired of him doing this to people he thinks he's he has become he has an upper hand on.
He's disrespectful, he's been disrespectful of my clients, he's been rude.
I find him particularly to be quite racist and sexist in all of most of my dealings with him.
And I think it has to be said, because if I can't come up here and say it, I'm not beholder to anybody.
Who gets to say it?
And this is also evident in the entirety of how we were treated.
Mr.
Bauman specifically orchestrated a situation to put us in this in this conundrum where the license wasn't going to be heard within one year, so he could have multiple prongs of attack later on for the Bowser.
And that was specifically why I objected in November to it being postponed, if you remember, Madam Chair.
And I said, hey, normally that's not an issue, but I knew the legal modifications, because he knew exactly what he was doing.
He does these things.
Over the last 10, 12 years, he does these things, and and I'm just sick and tired of it.
I'm tired of playing the niceties in the games.
If I never have to show up before you guys, that's fine.
But one thing I will not do, and I don't think I would not let my clients be subjected to be disrespected and also have the people who were supposed to uphold the law, who are supposed to help the constituents with the law, misuse the law.
And what he also then did was go ahead and poison the waters between the neighbors, even before we had an opportunity.
We had a meeting with Mr.
Bauman right before the first licensing hearing.
And where we asked, hey, is there anything or is there any concerns or whatever you have?
And he says, hey, that's fine, you know.
Um he says there but there might be some neighbors who have some issues, but no, he he indicated nothing of his objection or disdain for this project.
We came here the very next day, we wasted a lot of time, sat here, and then he says, Hey, you know what?
I'm going to move to adjourn for community meeting.
We had the community meeting.
The community meeting was more of an ambush.
There were people, some people were there to really engage in a process, but most of them were not there.
There were more lawyers at that meeting and more, in my opinion, plants than anything else.
And the questions being asked, at a certain point in time, I remember my clients being asked about the music and being told about, hey, you know, well, we don't want these kinds of people that are coming in from Water Street and all of that stuff, causing havoc and blah, blah, blah.
And so I took my pen.
I said, we don't want those types of people too.
So please give me a good description so we can put that in there.
And that the room got awkward.
It got silent.
I'm a black man.
I know what people mean when they start saying things like the type of music and hip hop or whatever.
And that's why there are objections, a lot of the objections, and again, I'm not saying all of them.
There were some very, I believe there were some some some some neighbors who who engaged, the actual neighbors engaged in the process, I think with good faith.
That's why their reasons and objections are quite nebulous.
You can't put a finger on it.
That's what institutional and structural racism looks like.
All of a sudden, the moment the people sitting here don't look a certain way or aren't of a certain gender, everyone becomes a community activist, right?
For 40-something years, you hear about how poor and how bad this place was.
Not one complaint.
You even heard the most platent, I mean, incredulous thing being told, oh, yeah, we had issues.
We were we were being robbed all the time, but the only friend owned the place, so it wasn't an issue.
But the moment a brown guy on a brown woman comes into the neighborhood, there's an issue.
Look at the look at the previous premises report.
It's like if you dropped in from space and you looked at this, you would it doesn't, it doesn't corroborate with what they're trying to say.
Now, that being said, that's the past.
No one is willing to actually focus on the current operations and the current owner we have in front of you here.
Ms.
Parisha Sarat has operated a bar in a residential neighborhood.
Neighbors don't get more activists, in my opinion, than sometimes the neighbors who live on KK in Brady on Kegum Kinikonik, and has been able to work through several issues, including noise, including all of that stuff to the satisfaction to uh of of her elder.
It's not very often where a suspension is had and hours are taken, and an older person within three to four years says, hey, you know what?
Based off of your track record and what I've seen, I'm going to restore those hours.
And because also that first suspension was an injustice, and it's also one of the reasons I've always taken the position that pendant charges shouldn't be considered.
Because what we had in that situation was an ex-officer or an off-duty officer who was acting a damn fool at the bar, and he decided that he thought he was still in power and decided to act out, and he was taken care of.
And a jury of the pairs of the security guards person has absolutely not guilty self-defense.
But at that point in time, the deed had already been done.
There were no takebacks.
Also, she's also part owners of another establishment in Mr.
Bauman's district.
So we're not talking about the responsibility or at least the qualifications of the operator here.
There was a little bit of an issue, or at least um a paper uh uh a clerical issue as it relates to the application and what my paralegal had clicked.
The moment it was brought up to my attention, we clarified the situation for right.
We didn't try to conceal anything, and we let them know as a matter of fact.
But again, all of that, these are all things to conceal the fact that Mr.
Bauman doesn't want them.
He doesn't like them, he doesn't respect them, and he doesn't want them in his district.
That is what this is all about.
And if we can't call these things out, because if he the way the way the things he says and the way he acts, and I've seen him treat you guys in certain ways too as well.
If we can call it out, it continues to operate within the fissures of legalities and all of that stuff.
We have a situation where the alderman of the district who's supposed to be fair and listened to constituents, took a position and wasn't willing to move from that position from the jump.
Orchestrated a legal situation just to gain on a hand.
That is not right.
It's not right.
We could have had this hearing back in November.
We could have had that, and those issues could have been could have been made laid to bear.
But he understood for as long as that never occurred, he could sort of keep this issues, and he's already said it.
He's already predicted what you're going to do or what he wants you to do.
He said, you know what, there's going to be litigation, and it's far from done.
Because his idea is that this is not done now, he's going to also have he has another plot of attack.
But the bozer issue is the bozo issue, and that's not what's before this committee.
What's before this committee is the license, the plan of operation put forth, whether this operator is responsible.
And on this record, and based on the testimonies that we've heard, the corporate interest aside, even from the neighbors and all that stuff, we do believe that we can work with them, and some of the neighbors who have expressed some concerns out of fear based on the past, which I understand.
All we're asking for is a chance.
And I'm going to tell you right now, I back her to run a stellar establishment that the neighbors are proud of.
And once upon a time, we're going to look at this and says, hey, you know what?
It's not as bad.
These people will absolutely listen to neighbors, work with them to ensure that their concerns are heard.
All we're asking for is an opportunity and a chance.
That's all we're asking for.
And we do hope that the committee sees that and sees through everything that's happened here and grants this license uh uh as as applied for it as amended.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Um we are in committee.
Committee have a motion.
Thank you.
Move approval as amended.
The motion by Honor Member Gallus is approval as amended.
Are there any objections to a motion?
Object.
Yeah, I would have liked more discussion.
I mean, I suppose we're on discussion now.
We can discuss.
We can do a roll call.
Um, Madam Chair, yes, Audible Zemaripa.
Yeah, as I said, I think moving so quickly to a motion without a little bit of discussion is unfortunate.
But um, I'll just add my comments.
I'm really in a quandary.
You know, I do want to note, I appreciate the passion of attorney Emile, but I I know for certain at least once, if not twice, we had we delayed it at the at the request of the applicant.
So I do want to note that, and yet I also hear your concerns, and I have those same concerns too.
I'm just I I feel very conflicted on at this moment on this issue.
I think I think good points were made from folks in opposition and folks in support.
Um I wish perhaps we could have considered like like the applicant offered a couple of times when he asked some of the neighbors what they'd like to see changed.
I wish there would have been a couple more um compromise amendments made, perhaps.
Um, and so I'm really grappling um right now where where I'm going to land.
So I wanted to note that.
Thank you, madam chair.
Yes.
Um no they're in committee.
You need to stop.
That's the same thing.
She's the chair in committee.
Can I ask a question, Travis?
They're in.
We have we have expended the amount of time for questions, they are in committee.
They are in committee.
They can pull themselves out of committee to address your concern.
And Madam Chair, I was going to ask a question to to see if you would consider pulling out a committee for an amendment.
Do you want to hit an amendment?
I think we should.
Okay.
All right, go ahead.
Um based on a lot of the things that we heard here, it seems there seems to be this concern about this becoming a nightclub.
And one of the most I think one of the most important features or distinguishing features of a nightclub is dancing by patrons.
And so we are willing to amend our plan uh plan of operation by removing the dancing by patrons as part of the plan of operations.
Okay.
Someone want to make that motion.
I just how do you how do you keep disc jockey and musicians and not a lot and not have patrons dancing?
Um the the provision the um allowance for a dish jockey is just for a DJ to play.
There are plans here places where a DJ plays, but it's it was it's not considered uh it's not considered a nightclub because without that, then you have to play your own music through the speakers.
So um just because a DJ plays doesn't make it a night, at least that's that's my opinion.
Okay.
So well, somebody has to make it.
We make it okay.
Automember Gellis uh moves to amend the plan of operation to remove patrons dancing from the PEP license.
Um any objections to that motion hearing CNN so order.
Anything else, attorney O.
V.
Gailey for the case.
No, thank you very much for the courtesy.
Okay.
So we are, madam chair?
Yes.
Would there be any discussion around out of Alex Brought uh Alderman Browers earlier?
Question around um amending the hours.
Just keep just a brief moment and confirmation.
There's a few things we do.
Yeah, but then we should make us everybody.
Got it.
Okay.
Okay.
Um speaking my clients, uh, they are the they're willing to amend their application to have their weekend hours, so Friday, Saturday, uh be alcohol caught off at 1 30.
So they because they do have a they have an active food program too as well.
So these they would still like the opportunities to be able to sell food um past 1 30 to 2 30 for a dash hours.
Um we make the most amend the plan of operation to end alcohol service at 1 30 on Fridays and Saturdays.
Closing time to Autumn Member Gellis is too I'm sorry, and closing time at 2.
And change the closing time from 2.30 to 2 a.m.
on Friday and Saturday.
Okay, so amendment by uh Autumn Member Gellis is to change closing time from 2.30 to 2 a.m.
And to stop on Fridays and Saturdays and to stop alcohol service at 1 30 on Fridays and Saturdays.
Correct.
Uh any objections to a motion hearing none so order.
There's a clarification by licenses.
Yeah, yes, ma'am.
Sorry, because I was speaking to uh to Travis.
Uh so the closing hours, food cutoff time is one thirty Friday, Saturday.
Alcohol cut off.
Oh, sorry, alcohol.
130.
Alcohol cutoff is at 130, and then closing time for the class B would be 2 a.m.
On Fridays and Saturday.
Friday, Saturday.
Okay.
Um is there is the food service at what time would a food service end?
Close at everything when it when it closes at 2.
Okay.
And I just wanted that clarification because if the food is being done after the bar hours, they would need extended hours.
Okay.
So we're good.
Thank you.
Um Mr.
Lopez, just to clarify, you're saying extended hours will be needed if if both times aren't synonymous, so they don't know the so the and the close time for the class B would be 2 a.m.
Friday, Saturday.
If food service also stops at 2 a.m.
You're fine if you go after that time, you would need extended hours.
They don't intend to go beyond that for food service.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Any other amendments are you done?
Okay.
Okay, we are in committee.
We already have a motion by Autumn Burgellis to approve as amended.
Uh with one objection from Otterman Jackson.
Any other objections?
So I'm sorry, the motion was you said you're approved as amended.
Approve as amended was your motion.
Yep.
You can do a roll call.
People prefer that motion by Alder Member Gundle's approval is amended.
Alderman Jackson.
Alderman Brower.
No.
Uncle Sergio Castro.
No.
She's to go for Pratt Prince Chair.
Um, I don't know, I'm really conflicted with this one.
Uh uh I sorry.
I said I.
Okay.
I left you to be honest in repo.
Huh?
So the Jeopardy music.
We need to take a short recess.
All right.
I'm sorry, yes.
I just I have to abstain.
Okay.
Fails.
Um it's two two missions.
Okay.
So what happened?
This goes to a committee with no recommendation.
Goes to council.
Okay.
So uh it is two in favor, two in opposition, one abstention.
Um so this file will go to council without a recommendation.
Thank you, everyone for coming.
Spending your day with us.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Um Ottoman Jackson moves to approve the agenda item agenda only item starting with Anna's S.
Salem, agent for Kareem Towing LLC recycling salvage and towing vehicle license application requesting collecting delivering salvage motor vehicle parts, including secondhand tires and batteries and non-consensual tolling by contract city of Milwaukee to the city's tow lot for careen tolling at 3828 East Underwood and ending with Ali S.
Chata agent for Sean Food Sales Incorporated Extended Hours Establishment and Food Dealer License Renewal Application with removing stockholder and transfer of stock for Judy's Red Hot, Judy's Red Hots at 4806 West Lisbon.
Autumn Brower moves to approve the warning letters starting with Judith Stein Class B Tavern Public Entertainment Premise License Renewal Application for the Tomato Patch at 5173 North Thirty Fifth Street and ending with this one.
Thomas M.
Cook, agent for Pacific Bells LLC, food dealer license renewal application for Taco Bell number three one four eight five at three one nine three one nine one south seventy-six street.
Um we do have two communication files as well.
They're quick.
Approval at my file, please.
Oh you know, what's happening?
Motion relating to recommendation of licenses.
Related to her as amended.
Um hearing seeing no objections, so ordered.
And for the two communication files, please those files after received file 260373.
It's being placed on file.
No, no.
We had a hear it.
Call a hell thing.
Okay, communication.
File 260373.
Communication from the license division relating to the Class B tavern license issues issued by City Clerk relating to license quotas.
Madam Chair.
Yeah.
Miss Lopez.
Uh the city of Milwaukee has 1,091 Class B licenses allotted.
There were 891 licenses in effect as of July 20th of this year.
There are 200 licenses and 556 licenses, uh reserve licenses remaining for a quota total of 756 licenses available.
That's okay.
Thank you.
So are any questions?
Oh yeah, I do have a question on that.
So there's the ear when you say the quota, you're referring to the statutory limit that's based on the laws of the state of Wisconsin that says based on population, this is how many licenses we can have.
Based on the the licenses, the quota is based on the population from uh year that it was determined I'd have to look.
It was like 19 something though.
Well, but but I mean, but it but it's a population ratio, though it's not based on the population of Milwaukee in 1900, it's based on our population ratio of what current current census is.
Okay, so it's even so we haven't even hit so I just clarify we haven't even hit a quota that was established on a smaller population for this city.
Correct.
And what is how much are we under on that quota?
Um 756.
And how many do we currently have?
Oh, sorry.
So regular regular licenses is 200.
Uh reserve licenses is 556.
Uh the quota or the licenses allotted is a total of 1,091.
Okay, and then that that's 1,091 based on a population of Milwaukee that was smaller than it is currently today.
Yes, and the 1,091 does not count the reserve licenses.
Okay.
So and that must not be then based on comments that are said this committee that must not be evenly distributed geographically then.
No, it's not evenly distributed jack geographically or evenly distributed based on population density of various census tracts, then either.
Maybe it could be wrong.
That okay.
Okay, cool.
Trying to sell no, I know, I know.
I just well, I'm just I'm just getting to the you know, that's this just it's it seems that so there's a you know uneven distribution of licenses then in some districts, not others.
Oh, yeah.
Then so some districts have way more even based on their population and based on the quota than others do.
Okay, there is a list that's attached to the ebook.
It doesn't sort it by district, but there is the total licenses if you're interested in to know what districts I can get that information to you.
Okay, cool.
Madam Chair, uh Audiberson Repo.
Um yeah, I was interested in the um because I know we get this based by based by our population, the quota.
Do other communities so other communities, because I know they run out, they don't have any more room, they can't, they have a restaurant trying to get an alcohol license, and they're unable to do that.
Yeah, that is because they were given their quota based on their population as a community and we can sell them, so I think we could sell up to three.
Three of them of the reserve licenses.
We can sell to adjacent municipalities.
Um so yeah, I put the word out.
You know, we we have available licenses, so there's water from Milwaukee.
We could we could try it over.
I think you can't.
The prices set by statute.
Yeah, I was gonna say I think minimum.
Um I'd have to look into it to be correct, but if I recall, I think minimum you can sell it, is ten thousand dollars.
A maximum I don't think there's a maximum, but I'd have to look.
Yes, well, that's either uh thank you, madam chair.
We're talking, you know, we're talking about um of the place on file.
Okay, motion by auto person repo is to place on file.
Hearing and seeing no objections, so ordered.
Uh next up is item, I mean, yeah, file two six zero three seven four communication from license division relating to the list of class B special licenses issued by a city clerk in 2025.
Five years.
Hello, committee.
Again, uh, there were a total of 53 special class B permits issued in 2025.
Um in 2024, there was 65 permits issued, just FYI.
Okay.
Thank you.
Any questions from committee?
Uh Otterman Jackson moves to place on file, hearing saying no objections, so ordered.
And that is it.
Yeah.
We are dismissed.
We can go home.
Oh, one more.
Have a good night.
Licenses Committee Meeting Summary - July 21, 2026
The Milwaukee Licenses Committee convened on Tuesday, July 21, 2026, at 9:03 a.m. under Chairperson Alderperson Joe Casta Samaripa to review a packed agenda of license renewals, new applications, and legislative items. The meeting ran through the afternoon with extensive public testimony and debate on several contested applications.
Consent Calendar
- Bini N Cocar (Class D operator's license renewal): Denied based on second-time non-appearance.
- Jose Luis Ibarra Flores / Cameleon Bar (New Class B tavern & public entertainment): Approved unanimously.
- Immanuel Flores / Street Munchies (Food truck renewal, with objections): Approved unanimously after no neighbors appeared to verify complaints.
- Timothy Van House / Paymore Milwaukee (Secondhand dealer renewal): Approved as amended (added signage that customers are recorded).
- Narendra M. Patel / Discount Cigarette and Beer (Alcohol license renewal): Approved with a warning letter and amended plan requiring ID scan for every alcohol/tobacco sale.
- Mary Hur / Starbucks Coffee (Food dealer renewal): Approved with a warning letter after addressing video footage availability.
- Jeremy B. Burns / Checkers (Renewals, no police reports): Approved unanimously.
- Jascaron S. Jedi / Lisbon Gas and Food (Renewals): Approved unanimously.
- Humphrey F. Nanga / Diamonds Pub and Grill (Renewals): Approved unanimously.
- Edu Aragon Guzman / Cosina Filipina Fair (New restaurant): Approved unanimously.
- Ashwani Sharma / Lisbon Food and Beer (Renewal with underage sale violation): Approved as amended with a warning letter (added ID scanner).
- Scott P. Thompson / Wendy's #6 (Change of agent, held to call of chair pending meeting).
- Gorinda S. Nagra / North Ave Petrolmart (Renewals): Approved after noting reduced hours and no police incidents.
- Eric Broxton / Select Tire Sales (New waste tire license): Approved unanimously.
- Ralph M. Taylor / Best Way Auto (Non-appearance): Held to next cycle.
- Scott P. Thompson / Wendy's #2 (Change of agent, no police reports): Approved unanimously.
- Danani Amin / Popeyes #904 (Food dealer renewal): Approved as amended (outside cleaning five times daily).
- Amritpal Singh / Corner Food Mart (Renewal with underage tobacco sale): Approved as amended with a warning letter (added ID scanner for tobacco).
- Joshjeet Singh / Locust Gas and Food Mart (Renewals, with shot spotter incident): Approved with a warning letter after testimony from two supporting neighbors.
- Gorinda S. Nagra / U.S. Gas and Food Mart (Renewals, no police issues): Approved unanimously.
- Sherry R. Evans / Lil Wills Tap (New family bar): Approved unanimously.
- Rana F. Anwar / Center Street BP (Renewal, held to call of chair for abatement plan).
- Sarah Paratia Pascara / Ava's on Van Buren (New sports bar, contested): Failed 2-2-1, goes to full council without recommendation.
- Marisella Fecker / Two Mesa (Held for community meeting).
- Other routine food truck and retail approvals (Tacos Almita, El Cab Carboncito, Tacaria Alma Mix, Tacaria Campechano, etc.) approved with warning letters or conditions.
Public Comments & Testimony
- Burger King manager testified against food trucks near 4952 W. Forest Home, citing trash, noise, and parking lot takeovers by Taco Almita trucks staying until 4 a.m.
- Neighbors of Pop Bar / Ava's on Van Buren (former Victor's location): Multiple residents, including Jim Asbury, Tony Fortune, Andy Kay, and Rebecca Spaziano, testified about noise, safety, and parking concerns from the previous 60-year-old bar. They urged denial, saying the neighborhood has become primarily residential.
- MSOE and St. Joan Antida High School representatives opposed the new tavern, citing student safety and parking impacts.
- Newland Enterprises and East Town Association also opposed, citing lack of outreach and incompatibility with recent residential developments.
- Supporting neighbors for Locust Gas and Food Mart testified in favor, citing neighborhood need for 24-hour services.
- Family of the deceased from a shooting incident near Fremos attended but did not testify due to applicant's absence.
Discussion Items
- File 260237 (Temporary Change of Plan Permit): Substitute ordinance sponsored by Alderman Westmoreland clarified late filing (5 or fewer business days before event) as grounds for denial and removed requirement for committee hearing if objections exist. Unanimously passed.
- Pop Bar / Ava's on Van Buren: Heated debate over a new sports bar at 1230 N. Van Buren. The applicant, Sarah Paratia Pascara, who operates Revel and The Spread, proposed a 450-capacity sports bar with a PEP license (DJ, bands, dancing). Alderman Bauman opposed, arguing the area is now high-density residential. After hours of testimony, the committee amended the plan: remove patron dancing, reduced alcohol cutoff to 1:30 a.m. on weekends, and close at 2 a.m. The final vote was 2 in favor, 2 opposed, 1 abstention, sending the item to full council without recommendation.
- Circus application (Du Portugal Circus): Denied 2-1 (one objection) after Alderman Bauman and neighbors opposed summer festival parking lot usage.
- Health department objections: Two food trucks (Tacaria Alma Mix) were cited for operating without water; renewals approved with warning letters.
Key Outcomes
- Approved with warning letters: Discount Cigarette and Beer, Starbucks, Lisbon Food and Beer (two locations), Popeyes #904, Corner Food Mart, Locust Gas and Food Mart, and several food trucks.
- Denied: Bini N Cocar (non-appearance), Circus permit, and routine denials for non-appearance.
- Legislation passed: Substitute ordinance 260237, clarifying temporary change of plan permit deadlines.
- Held to call of chair: Several items for community meetings or pending documentation (Wendy's #6, Two Mesa, Center Street BP).
- No recommendation: Ava's on Van Buren will go to full council after committee deadlock.
Meeting Transcript
Good morning, everybody. Thank you. Um, I will call the order of the licenses committee regular meeting on Tuesday, July 21st, 2026 at 9 03 a.m. I'm Alder Person Joe Casta Samaripa. I'm chairperson of the committee, and I'm joined in the following order to my right by our vice chair, Alderwoman Andrea Pratt. Alderman DeAndre Jackson will be joining us very shortly. To my left, uh Alderman Peter Bergelis is here with us, as well as Alderman Alex Brower. Um, of course, want to welcome our staff assistant, Yadira Melendez as well. Good morning, as well as Miss Fabiola Lopez, our licensed division assistant manager. Good morning from the city attorney's office, uh Attorney Travis Gresham, and from the Milwaukee Police Department, Sergeant Corneto is here with us. Good morning. Um the first item on the agenda is file number 260462, a motion relating to the recommendations of the licenses committee relating to licenses, and the first application at 9 a.m. is Bini N Cocar, Class D operator's license renewal application. Is Beni N Cocar present either in person or virtually N Cocar? All right. Second move move. Deny. Okay. You want to grab your microphone, Alderman Bergellis? You want to hear that lovely. All right. Um Alderman Peter Bergellis has moved for denial based on second time non-appearance. Any discussion to that motion? Any objection? Hearing none, so ordered. All right, we will move on to our next 9 a.m. agenda item. Jose Luis Ibarra Flores, agent for Gamaleon Bar Services, LLC, Class B Tyrant and Public Entertainment Premises Licenses Application requesting jukebox for Cameleon Bar at 2900 South 13th Street. Good morning. Yes. Okay, so this individual is going to help the applicant with uh interpretation. Thank you. Gracias. Um if you'll both is if everybody will raise their right hand that needs to get sworn in. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I'm okay. If not, I did send for a translator if you want to. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. All right. Um, so you are Mr. Ibarra Flores, correct? Okay. Are you? You might want to help him with this.
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