Ladies and gentlemen now in the hands of our capable city clerk, Ms.

Lisa Carroll.

This is the pre-meeting of the Mobile City Council Tuesday, October the 21st.

We have approval of minutes from September 24th and September 30th.

Any issues anyway.

All right.

Appeals, we have requests for waiver the noise ordinance on October the 25th from 5 p.m.

till 10 p.m.

on uh fleetwood drive.

Okay.

Public hearings today is the public hearing to consider the proposed conditional use permit for property located at 2316 Hillwood Drive West.

Public hearing to consider the modification of a previously approved put for a property located at 550 Providence Park Drive East.

Okay.

Presentation of petitions and other communications to the council.

Mary Palmer uh request for annual Boeington day to honor Chris Boyanton who was accused and hung for the murder of Nathaniel Frost.

Um Lakeesha Clement comments about the revocation of Fat 2C Sports Bar.

Oh, Valencia Green cancel.

Ordinances held over 52046 about chapter 52, real property maintenance and enforcement article eight vacant structure registry for Henry Aaron Loop.

Ms.

President, um Mr.

Runnels.

I don't know that we distributed all the changes over to y'all, but um I think it's certainly something we should probably talk about, the various changes that we came up with, and I'll get these distributed out to everyone, but I wanted to run through a few of these um just so everybody knows kind of what they're looking at when you look at it.

The intent of the changes were to remove some of the ambiguities with in the ordinance so that it's not so subjective to folks.

Um, and then also to instead of requiring every every property owner within the Henry Aaron Loop to just register on their own.

We now have shifted it to make the in this amendment.

The city, if they identify a potentially vacant building, they will then place notice on that building, and then once notice is given, then it'll be up to that property owner to show that they are in fact not vacant or they need or they meet some exemption or that they are vacant and then they need to be placed on the registry and pay the you know the the registry, you know, bill on that.

Um so it changes the obligation.

Uh we removed several sections where it said the reason to the reasonable determination of the code official.

We struck through much of that.

I'll get all of this to y'all.

I'm sorry you hadn't gotten it.

There were some last-minute uh snafus with trying to get it, you know, all together.

Uh one other big thing was the fee schedule.

I think it's something worth discussing.

When you get commercial structures without any residential units, you go to a minimum amount that you will be charged or a per square foot amount that it's in there.

Currently, for the first year, it's a thousand dollars or five cents per square foot, and that puts a 20,000 square foot building owner in the same category as a 1,000 square foot building owner, and those two don't pose the same sort of public safety risk or the same um amount of vacancy.

So I've we've restructured that and you really have two options.

And here we we we made it where it's a thousand square foot is the smallest amount, but then 10 cents per square foot for the square footage amount, which then you know equals it out.

So a 10,000 square foot building owner is gonna pay the same as a 1,000 square foot building owner versus a 1,000 square foot building owner paying the same as a 20,000 square foot building owner.

That's not a fair deal, but we can structure it either way.

We can make the fees less, or we can make the fee fees higher and come out with a similar outcome.

I'll distribute these all to you guys, and uh maybe we can get a vote, but uh if not, you know, we can hold it obviously a week if if necessary.

Sorry, it took so long to get through these.

This is sort of a 10-pager that is not you know easy to get everybody on the same page.

Council, are y'all won't like to hold it over for a week or especially if you haven't looked at the new language.

I don't see the lead for it.

I'm not gonna let uh the only thing that I didn't agree with is the uh language uh on five and ten cents.

It's not clear if you're five cents up to a thousand square feet, ten cents for each additional thousand square feet, or if it's ten cent on a larger building per total total square footage.

It would apply total square footage to the greater of.

So the way it's structured currently is 1,000 square foot.

You'll never pay less than one.

I'm sorry, 1,000.

You'll never pay less than 1,000.

But if your square foot calculation at five cents per square foot exceeds a thousand dollars, you will pay that greater amount.

So it should be the warning should be five cents up to 1,000 and 10 cents for the additional for each additional 1,000 square feet.

No, it's not per thousand square foot, but it's it's just based on your square footage amount.

So you'll charge them 10 cents if it's if the building's over how many square feet.

So that's that's the catch in the language.

You know, it's got to be a uh defined parameter to get the additional 10 cents.

Where does it start?

It starts from step one, and uh that that's when you meet that minimum threshold.

So uh I'll break it down to you this way just the current way it's written.

If you have a 1,000 square foot building, okay, that you're gonna pay 1,000 dollars.

Okay, if you have a 10,000 square foot building, you're gonna pay 1,000.

If you have a 20,000 square foot building, you're gonna pay 1,000.

So it's because five cents times 20,000 square foot is still just 1,000.

So we tried to break that out in different ways.

If the building's bigger, then at the onset of the 1,000 dollars at 1,000 square feet for each additional square uh 1,000 square feet, you charge them 10%.

Well, that's something we could certainly discuss.

I'm I'm not saying I necessarily have an objection.

What is uh to it?

I was just trying to stay within what sort of what was 20,000.

What is that?

So be it.

That's an additional two thousand dollars on top of the uh the one thousand.

I mean additional thousand, correct?

Additional thousand on top of one thousand if it reached like that, it's just yeah, that's how the amendment reads.

Uh that's how the amendment reads is a thousand dollars or an additional ten cents.

So we're saying the same thing.

Or ten cents, that's right.

Here you I'll let you read through it.

But if y'all, if y'all want to hold it, um, I'm okay with that.

If y'all want to let me get this to you and make the decision in between meetings on what you want to do, um, I'm okay with that as well.

Yeah, she barbed.

I think they probably wanted to hold that yeah, exactly.

We because of this fundamentally, I think we're okay.

But we we just got this either yesterday evening or this morning, and would like a little bit of time to review it and make sure everybody's clear.

The language needs to read absolutely.

I mean, I do what you're trying to do.

But I mean, the way I've normally seen that it's normally a certain amount up to a thousand dollars per square feet, an additional amount for each additional thousand square feet above a certain dollar amount.

So that the wording needs to be absolute.

That's so there's no confusion.

Yeah.

I'd like to pass it though.

Like to pass it if we can't pass it today with someone getting some language between now and 1030 that work.

There's a lot of changes in here, and I'd hate to just rush through it and change it.

It's a 10 pager and it's got real implications to to real people's property.

And I just think it's worthwhile when you pass an ordinance this big to spend the time you need to get the thing right.

So we're not going and modifying or figuring out we've got a snap.

Did you get the last stuff that I sent you?

I did.

Okay.

But it that came late.

I didn't, it was hard to read.

You and I can get together after this and discuss.

One week, yeah, one week.

Uh vice president and panned in woods.

Just one question.

Yeah, just one question when you were talking about placing the notice on the buildings.

Is that a paper notice that you're going to put on the building?

Uh well, so there's let me see if I can find that section.

There are two different things laid out here.

They will put a notice on the door, but then they will also send um mail as well.

Send it first class, and then there's a section in here that deals with certified mail as well.

Yeah, okay.

It's almost just like our new sensitive.

Okay.

I just want to make sure, you know, that it actually gets to them.

Yeah.

I'm good.

Yeah.

Um so what I was gonna say is you know, we've talked through some of these, but it is a great idea to hold it over because in no way, shape, or form do we intend to raise the price on what we're dealing with.

So we understand um basically what we're saying, but we want to make sure absolutely that public understands that the numbers we talked about with the stakeholders and that the pricing, it is it's not being raised.

We're actually talking about leveling it out.

And while we may understand it in principle, it is a good idea to talk this out beforehand and you know, every council person see it, and then us be able to go back through the nuances.

Um, as far as the notice is concerned, yeah, that's a little bit more onerous on the staff.

We understand that that's a policy decision, not a legal one.

So I'll stay um far afield of that.

Uh, but just want to make sure that we have the time to not only get this to you all, um, get uh councilman reynolds changes to you all, but also have a time for um your stakeholders to see it and understand what we're doing and not doing and not raising the price on any of the stakeholders that we've talked to previously.

I I had uh Mr.

Carbo and I, he sat down this morning and I did, and we we got red line sort of created for it to go down as well, just depending on what anybody wants to do.

And that would be striking the schedule number three and modifying number two to be four or greater units.

All right, I didn't hear anything back if y'all have any objection to that, but we can talk after this.

All right, one week.

Uh clerk.

Ordinance 64049, consider the proposed modification of a previously approved put for property located at 4350 Moffat Road.

64050, consider rezoning property located at 2602, 2610, 2612, 2614, 2616, O Shell Road, and 1057 and 107 Item Avenue from R1 and B2 to B2.

64051, consider an amendment to the downtown development district regulating plan to rezone property located at 250 St.

Francis Street from T 5.1 to T5.2.

88052, ordinance deemed deeming certain property not now needed for public or municipal purposes and authorizing the sale thereof, 165 South Dearborn Street.

88053, ordinance donating certain property to the city's affordable housing program and authorizing option to lease thereof eastern portion of 1050 Baltimore Street.

CIP resolutions held over 21129, authorized contract with Gaines Utility Construction Company for sidewalks along Dolphin Island Parkway.

211298, authorized contract with J Payne, organization for CIP Hillsdale Senior Center Renovations.

Resolutions held over 091256, authorized revision of a DECA community development block grant coronavirus response budget allocation.

Approved purchase order to all tech industries for aerial truck.

Approved purchase order to Chef for Lay of Watsonville, National Auto Fleet.

Detach detector can for Spectrometers.

Approved purchase order to software company for annual renewal of intelligence management software.

Approved purchase order to Stivers Ford Lincoln.

Approved purchase order to truck equipment sales.

21139, authorized contract with Benjamin Victor Studios to design model, cast finish, deliver and oversee installation of a sculpture of Jimmy Buffett for the National Maritime Museum.

211340, authorized contract with Bill Smith Electric for emergency generator.

211341, authorized contract with Cell Co partnership doing business as Verizon Wireless for telephone service and equipment.

211342 authorized contract with C Thornton for miscellaneous drainage repairs.

Patoman's Spring Branch.

Revoke the business license at 1608 St.

Stephen's Road.

6013.

Okay.

And what we could and can't do.

I asked the administration to provide a somewhat curve as to the heightened times of activity to see if we could either limit the hours that the business was open or request that they close at a certain time.

Beyond that time.

Legally, I wanted to know if it was something other than we that we could do, other than just all out revoke the business license.

That question should be it's a section of city code that was given, but the question is is how far can we go?

So I wish somebody could answer that for me right now.

Ms.

President.

So the council has a lot of leeway on what it can do from revoking to suspending.

The suspension can be for a week to 30 days to 90 days.

And the code section also gives the council the right to add conditions.

Um you know add security, change hours, things of that nature.

So the uh discretion and authority is is pretty widespread, uh, pretty wide.

Okay.

So um depending on what that curve says, then that would allow maybe a short-term suspension or moderate suspension with the return with the hours adjusted against the curve of activity.

So I would need to see that curve of activity before 1030 to make a recommendation.

Uh Vice President and uh Wood.

Yeah, what William just said, that's what I was thinking too.

Some sort of temporary sort of suspension to perhaps make some changes in their hours of operation and how they do things in order to curb some of the the issues that we have been hearing about and seeing.

I mean, if that's a possibility that could prevent us from you know the all-out closure, if that was yeah, doable, of course.

Um I I definitely think uh, I mean, obviously uh the ability to operate a business, the ability to to you know fulfill dreams that you have for a business, or really to I mean that that's key to that's key to this country, it's key to every or every right that we have.

So I definitely um when weighing this decision of whether to you know revoke a business license.

I mean, to me, that's very heavily weighs very heavily on me at the you know, after conversation with with some of y'all, I know that I do believe it kind of in recent history or most most recent industry, only one license has been revoked, and that was due to some uh pretty pretty hard situation uh situation and circumstances.

Um, that being said, uh Mr.

Carbo, um uh, and this might be a question for the administration.

Um, do we know at the moment?

I mean, obviously, uh last week and the testimony, if we want to call it that, um ABC was notified, um, and they came out, I believe, investigated or took took a look at it.

Um, do we know if they have a current ABC license?

I guess at the moment, and if so, um, this is the body are we the body that would be able to suspend the looker license or or revoke a looker license?

And then also to Mr.

Carroll's point, can we put can we say, you know, based on the the data that Mr.

Carroll requested, we we have every right to say your business can't operate past the the hour of midnight or 11 p.m.

or um do we do we have that authority, I guess.

Uh so the ABC board has the authority to revoke the license, but in order to get the license, they have to have the uh councils approved.

So uh I haven't heard that they have revoked that license.

So it's as far as I know, they still have that license.

As far as the um conditions, it's pretty wide open.

You can set uh times, hours of operation, you can set uh security plans, they need to do XYZ.

Uh so you can put those types of conditions uh on the uh you can suspend them and then say, you know, meet these conditions and then it'll be reinstated, or you can say, you know, meet these conditions within a certain period of time, and we won't suspend you.

So you have a lot of flexibility about how you want to handle that.

Gotcha.

Thank you.

Ms.

Brett.

Uh Mr.

Penn.

Thank you, Ms.

President.

Um, I agree with my colleagues.

I think it's very um vital.

I think since I've been on the council, if I'm mistaken, we only um suspended one business license.

Um, and I just want to make sure we follow the same standards going forward.

We want to make sure that if we suspend like what what other standards is it, you know, that that was a severe case.

Um, and we can disagree, but we also want to protect our neighbors.

Um, so what can we put in place to make sure the residents feel safe?

And I heard Mr.

Carbot, you stated that we can put certain things in place.

And I I heard like I mean, people want touring the cars.

If you come downtown mobile and your car is parked, you get told.

I mean, it's just simple.

I mean, most people stop parking if their car is told.

I think it's certain things that we could put in place to protect the neighbors um and figure it out.

But I would love to see the information requested by councilman care before a decision is made, because I just want to make sure that we follow the same standard any time going forward, if we ever have to suspend a business license.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Well, there's suspension and there's revocation.

So we're talking suspend right now with the possibility of putting in some conditions that they could meet, not totally revoking.

Revoking, yeah.

And if not, Matt, and if not, then we were yeah, revocation.

Uh but the guys, you gotta remember, right?

Uh, you got to remember this.

Nobody in this city should live in fear in their own homes of what's happening outside their door based on somebody else's business or actions.

I mean your rights begin where somebody I mean ends where somebody else's begins.

And you got to remember we can't you know impose on those.

So there has to be a consequence for the actions that have been happening and ongoing in a continuous basis.

So we have to do something that will determine based on the curve that we get.

Yeah.

And I uh to that point too.

I mean, you're absolutely right.

Uh uh, your rights begin where someone else's ends, but um, you know, I I guess and everyone has the right to be be safe in their own home.

I ain't gonna lie to you.

If I was living near a business that was acting like this, I'd probably be pretty mad as well.

Um, but you know, that being said, though, I I definitely don't want to set any sort of precedent or want to be very thoughtful about this because uh, you know, what is the future uh future council look like?

You know, definitely don't want some arbitrary revoking businesses just because five people got mad at you one week or something.

So I I definitely um that's that's a fine line, and I definitely want to make sure that everything we do, there's a process procedure, and they're giving overwhelming ability to correct themselves before uh before they anything's a done.

So that's just where I stand.

I do have a question if you can answer this.

Uh listen to the testimony last week.

I know it was like 200 calls that uh that was that came between hours of 1 a.m.

and six o'clock a.m.

My question is was there any arrest, especially inside of the club, or anyone did anyone get arrested inside of the clubs, period, all of those calls.

Uh I I can get that clarification, but you if you recall, there is pending, there is a pending uh charge for a drug sale uh that eventually will hit the court with respect to the bartender.

Um, that despite the two o'clock uh time frame to quit selling alcohol, they continue to sell alcohol after the the two o'clock hour.

Uh they created an atmosphere within the uh neighborhood that was just untenable for the neighbors.

You ask what they can do with respect to towing their cars or everything.

Uh no parking sites were put up uh somehow miraculously, those those signs were disappeared overnight.

I'm sure it was not by the uh the residents of that street.

Um so at this point, uh I'm probably gonna I would should have by 1030 the hours of call, the hours of calls.

But if you remember the lieutenant's testimony that at times his entire shift is out there trying to deal with this establishment, um, I think they made a pretty compelling case upon what it's doing to the neighborhood, what it's doing to the city resources, how that affects other uh citizens throughout the city because uh this is such a drain on resources for uh that precinct.

Um so again, um the decisions obviously yours.

I know it's a drastic step, but I just ask you to consider all the testimony you heard from the the officers as well as uh the safety is the entire community, not just this bar this uh bar and his patrons.

Yeah, that's you know, public safety is very important, and also the residents, but at the same time, my question is just trying to be fair to the business owner, you know.

Well, the rest, you know, has that really been any arrest, you know, how many arrests you know actually came out of there, you know.

That's that's my question at hand.

No, I do support the police department one percent.

I do believe in public safety, but I also do believe in trying to just be fair, and you know, if there was that any arrest made, I know you say it's one pendant, but that's just one case pendant.

If I had 200 calls, you know, how many actually came out of the club, or how many was any arrest came out of the club, and then was it an arrest out just in the parking lot?

Uh I'll see if I can get that answer before 1030.

All right, I miss prison.

Um, also, I know we talked about the parking signs.

Um, but from what I also heard is that we had um police, um, off duty police officers working.

Um, and I also heard I can't remember his position.

Um, but he was speaking about undercover cops and and and situations taking place that from a public safety hazard, it was cars that's blocked in, it was cars um that's blocking entrance.

Isn't that a public safety hazard that alone by itself?

If if a car, if you got cars blocked in and you got cars blocking entrance, is you don't have to have uh uh no parking sign for a car to be told.

You know, for one from what the testimony is, there's you're talking, I think I think it's Tony's uh gas station where their cars are going in parking.

Um the police that do not have the ability to randomly go in there on private property and tow just for the sake of his private property.

Uh Tony or the some proprietor of that establishment would have to call.

Again, what you're talking about is um again resources for that precinct being directed to one location night after night, causing a drain, causing a drain or strain for all other calls.

Um, you know, no, I guess I guess my question, my question would be how much how many resources do we have to expend so this bait this business owner can stay in business?

Um, because it is an issue with the neighbors.

Um, I'm not I'm I'm I'm because I'm for the neighbors as well, but I'm also for making sure that we implement everything to the same standard every time we're doing revoking a business or suspend the business that we're doing the same thing.

And when we go downtown mobile, we put the same, we tow cars.

If it's Mardi Gras, we tone cars and that deter people from parking in different places.

And if we have uh a police officers that are off duty, and they still, regardless of their off duty, they're still required to serve, and they see a car is being blocked, an entrance being blocked that could potentially cause a problem issue, we can't pick up the phone and call a tow truck.

That's what we say on private property.

It's like if if I mean that's Tony's private property, it has nothing to do with it, it has nothing to do with the uh fat Tuesdays.

It's across the street.

If people go and park there, it would it would take a the proprietor or Tony or somebody to say, hey, there's cars parked on my drive in my like remove them.

So we we're talking about just Tony, but we're talking about, I mean, I'm not just hearing about Tony, but we talk all the way down St.

Steven's Road.

And and with this, if the signs were in place, we they could be towed.

They could be ticketed in the towed.

However, the signs mysteriously disappeared after they were put up.

And so again, now we're gonna have to go back, expend more resources, putting up more signs, and hopefully that they'll that they're gonna be there the following week.

So, Rob, you telling me you're telling me this.

If the sign if someone comes downtown, if if a person pull up to a sign where it says no parking and take the no parking sign down their self, and then go away that we can't call a tow truck to put park it because they remove the sign they sell.

We we're gonna I would let Ricardo, so it's two distinctions.

So you think about this, okay?

So what director Laske keeps talking about is the private property aspect, right?

On private property, there's a different level of us as the government going on intruding.

When we towed cars downtown, remember it's on the right-of-way or on the street, so it's a different different standard.

We can always say, Hey, we're cleaning this for public safety reasons.

We can go on to public property and do so.

So to answer your question, though, if they take the sign down on private property, you haven't given the proper warning, you know, and we we can't just go and do that.

Um, so they got to call us, they got to actively call us.

Same way police just can't show up to our our driveways and just tow cars.

No, I'm talking about the the signs that we put up.

We we moved on to we move from the private property.

The signs that we put up, if someone comes and remove the signs, and then we we know we put the signs up, right?

And they come remove the signs.

I'm just we speaking downtown because I see all these signs up.

Sure.

I come down, I park my car, and I say, Man, I am remove this sign, so I don't get told, and then you know you put the sign up, officer.

Anybody who downtown know they put the sign up.

We can't call a toll truck.

We can go the we gotta catch the first place of sign, man.

Right, we gotta catch them, yeah, right.

But the car is still there.

But I'm saying, so we don't tow that car.

That's what I'm saying.

See, typically we shouldn't, or we should but look, we shouldn't.

I'm not saying we don't, but we should because you have to give them adequate adequate warning that they can't park there.

So, what is the warning process?

The sign that's that's that's what you do.

I'm saying so that's the warning.

Okay, so you have to so after you do that, and the signs remove, it's nothing well.

We can put the sign back up, but think about it like this it's an enforcement tool, you gotta give them adequate warning.

So, for instance, when you're driving driving down the street, if you don't see a stop sign, you don't stop.

But if you see the stop sign, you stop.

I can't have an officer issue you a ticket for something you didn't see.

That's the thing.

So it's it's still a safety issue, and we've got to do a better job with enforcement, but they have to have adequate warning, at least that they can't park there.

Because if it's a person that knows, you gotta you gotta we gotta show that they knowingly broke the law that their intent was there.

It's not just that we get to just tell them that they did this, you can't just park there.

That's arbitrary and subjective, and we can't necessarily prove that because the person goes in and says, Hey, I didn't see the sign because there was no sign, then we can't show intent, and we can't show that there was notice.

No different than if we say, Hey, there's always been a stop sign there, but that stop sign gets blown down.

You don't know there's a stop sign there, and you just go there.

I want to keep this going on and and keep asking questions because I can we just gonna keep going back and forth, but it just to the point what I'm saying is it just seemed very challenging that we can't go.

If I'm hearing, and let's remove private property.

If you if you're blocking people on a road on St.

Stephen's Road, we can't talk if it's a public safety, but they said that down there in the city council, they said they were blocking you.

Someone someone has to call, yeah, and say that someone has to call.

So the officer can't say that.

So right of entry is is hard to prove.

You hear me?

Uh, like just say, for example, uh, you own the club yourself, right?

Somebody parks out on the median outside the property line, right?

Or or you're out at the fairgrounds, but you're not in the parking lot, but you park all the way down uh Zig Boulevard doing doing let's let's use a good one that everybody's familiar with that's been given us hell uh a spring flame, all right.

And they park from the fairgrounds all the way down to municipal park, right?

And it's illegal, people are blocked in that want to leave, but they can't leave.

But the people in front of them are still at the spring flank, but they're sitting in their car getting mad.

So, how are they gonna get out?

There's it's no parking signs there, but the law says you're not supposed to be up there on a medium anyway.

So, how do you handle that?

See, that's that's what you're saying right now.

Yeah, so so in essence, yes, they can be told, but somebody's gotta call.

But the people that are out there are not gonna call because they're involved in the activities that are happening outside now.

The property owner, because they own it.

If they were to drive by and see it happening, oh get these people off my property, they call and it happens, and they can get them out of there.

But the the answer to your question is if the people that are committing the atrocity are the ones that are actually parking there, why are they gonna call anyway?

Unless maybe they're not that's right, causing any problems and they're responsible the thing that we did was put up the park, no parking signs, but however, somebody bumped them, knocked them down, they went away.

But you can't charge the person that's parking up there now because it might be somebody that just came in town from a year ago that knows nothing about it.

So, how are you gonna say, okay, let's tell these people away?

And they they know nothing about it.

Said, well, that's never happened to me before.

They didn't supposed to do that, and I'm calling Jim at 11 o'clock at night saying I've got people that have been in mobile all their lives and saying their cars got told.

Remember that same issue.

Well, we have to actually go help them get their car back because they didn't know the current law.

Just think about it, Corey.

You see the yellow signs every few feet, every two feet, you see a yellow sign.

So you gotta be some type of warning mechanism out there to warn the people.

The private property owner apparently doesn't have a problem with it because he needs to have a problem with it, and they need to put some signs in that somebody can't just pull up.

Well, the the problem is if you go across the street, yeah, then we're we're dealing with a commercially based property where those owners aren't there at that time of night.

Yeah, well, there's one person that's been adamant adamant about them parking on their property, but as you stretch down the street going down towards Helena's and everywhere else and towards the and towards uh what you call it, there's just empty street when you make the turn going towards women and children.

That's just commercial property that's not open at that time of night.

But when you make the left turn going to Carver homes, that's when you start blocking the people in their driveways, and they can call and say, I'm blocking and come get this car out of my way.

So, yeah.

Uh one one other one other thing.

Uh I sent a text just a second ago.

I don't know if it went through yet.

Uh, there was a previous business there by the name of 1608.

Uh, can we I can't remember how we handled that.

I'd like to see that, and then also uh we had a major inference downtown at Atlantis that we had to handle.

Uh I don't remember how we actually handled that, too.

I need to see that, whether we suspended or had an immediate revocation.

And those were both under your you and I's time.

So well, that's a lot.

So I I'm if I may ask that we hold it over just a week because I mean, there's no way uh, and I'm just gonna be honest, there's no way I don't think that I could ask or recommend a fair curve at 1030, just based on what you give me, and have consensus from everybody between now and now, whatever, you know, based on whatever you get.

So let's I'm gonna ask probably that holds over one week, and then we get a solid measure of what we actually need to do a candidate.

So you're wanting to know the Atlantis and then the previous bar that was at 1608.

I can't remember how we handled that, Jim.

I mean, both of these were under you and I and uh it was under um right, and we need to go back, and then um Fred's Fred had to shut the one down on Spring Hill Avenue, yes.

That's right.

I'd like to see how we handled those, those were really really big.

And if I look at those for a second, we could probably make a fair assessment of what we got to do.

Rob, are you tracking what they're asking for?

Okay, D uh, I do want to address um Corey.

An officer can tow under certain situations without a sign, and that's if somebody blocks your driveway and leave the car there to where you don't have access to your own property, an officer can tow it at the property owner's request.

The other one would be if it creates a hazard, if it parks on St.

Stephen's Road and part of that car is in the lane of travel, that's a hazard.

And the officer may remove it at that to protect people from running into a car.

Uh the other one would be if it blocks your line of sight to where you can't enter a roadway without hazard.

Uh, the officer may tow it then, and even in those situations, because it's not marked, it would be it's still appealable to the city clerk and the city council decide whether that tow was appropriate.

But thank you, Chief.

You answered the question.

And and so I guess my concern is like, and this for like if we need what guidelines we need to make if we decide to give that to the business owner.

If an undercover police officer is that the owner has to not undercover, but um off-duty, does the owner have to give that to the off-duty and say you need to do this, or as an off-duty police officer, can they do that on their own if they see what you just said?

Well, and with the way the rules are written, the off-duty calls and on duty to come over there and actually execute the tow.

Um the property owner may tow at his own.

Uh, if you're somebody parks on your property off of the city right away, the property owner has every right to have that vehicle removed from their property.

Um, but an officer cannot enter on a private property even at your request and tow a vehicle.

Okay, thank you.

And let me clarify something up.

So we're talking we're two two different things.

The signs, the signs we're talking about, we're on the street behind okay, blocks away from the from the establishment.

Tony's is on the other side of the road, okay, which is private property.

But the signs they pulled down the street put up, okay, are not in the line of sight of the police officer working we're working off duty uh at the at the establishment.

They're they're behind in the neighborhood, and that's what's causing the problems.

Yeah, it's done for sure.

Okay.

All right, Madam Clerk.

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Ordinance is being introduced.

64054 is the uh conditional use um permit for property at 2316 Hillwood Drive West, 60 zero fifty-five is considering the previously approved PUD at 550 Providence Park Drive East, 11056, amend chapter 11, Article 3, Section 11 of the City Code to include subsection titled Alabama Construction Trade Academy Fund Fees.

Mr.

President, Ms.

Ron Big Day for us here in the city.

You know, the good thing about coming off a campaign is you you hear from everybody about what they want to see, you know, and everybody's got great ideas.

Um this um well, one of the things we heard is man, we need to get our youth into trades, you know, the ones that want to go into trades, they need to go in trades.

We've got this tremendous demand on jobs here in the city of Mobile.

And fortunately, our partners at the home builders association, they recognize that we need some additional workforce development opportunities for for everyone because you know their people are getting picked up to do bigger jobs, and everybody has to sort of level up.

And I think the idea behind this academy is the people that are actually doing the the jobs, the residential construction jobs, they recognize the need and they're willing to tackle it themselves.

They just need a little help and participation from the city.

So that's sort of the idea behind this um construction trade academy.

We've got some representatives here both from the state uh home builders association as well as local.

If y'all want to say a few words, just sort of tell us some of the successes we've seen in Huntsville and other places with this.

Be awesome to hear from you.

They presented to us once before and sort of laid it out.

Good morning.

Thanks for having us and Robert Collins, uh president of the HBM Metro Mobile.

Um we've been seeing a pattern for for decades that uh the skilled trades have been going to the wayside, basically.

And the statistics now for every five that leave, we're only gaining one potential person to fill that spot.

So we have come together as a um as a group and as an industry to try to rectify that and and put in place a school to train people and get them on a fast track to give them a hand up.

There's a lot of people that are out there that need some guidance and need a career other than just uh you know, working jobs that typically it's hard for them to provide for themselves and and a family.

Um our program is a fast track, it's eight-week class that will get people trained up.

Uh, and what the numbers show is that it it's equivalent to about nine months of training for somebody that has not been in the industry before.

That eight-week crash course will get them up and going in eight weeks.

Uh, it's two nights a week for three hours a night.

Um, so it's a really fast pace.

Uh not only that, by going through that, we're seeing typically three to five dollars more an hour when the employers are hiring them coming on.

Um, also have worked it out with the state.

Uh so typically with the plumbing to get your apprentice uh or journeyman's, you've got to work two years under a master plumber.

So by going through this course, it's been approved that going through the the course, which is eight weeks and working under a master plumber for a year that constitutes and meets your requirement.

So that in a year you can meet that requirement, take your test.

If you pass it, then you can you'll have your journeyman, which is another increase in pace.

So it's a fast fast track for everyone that is able to go through.

And we come up with ways with help with uh Huntsville, who's been doing this for five years.

So we've got a lot of data from them that have helped.

Um, they've kind of set the bar for how how to do this.

You know, my name's Jason Reed.

I'm with the state home builders association.

We passed the legislation that empowers cities and counties to um levy the fee that'll be placed on our guys.

Uh let me say this every dollar that is collected goes to Treasury, it stays in Treasury.

Every dollar it's collected goes back out.

There are no administrative fees that the state collects or the loan builders licensure board.

So it's a good win that the industry is supporting itself and supporting its workforce.

Um there had been some questions about well, if we collect money in Mobile, is it going to stay in Mobile?

The bill was designed specifically for that.

In any of the 67 counties, wherever the money is collected, that's where the money is to be spent.

Um, we I think sent a letter uh from our home builders foundation committing to that.

Uh, I think we're talking about doing an MOU to further define that to show that that money will stay here.

Uh, one of the beauties of the program is you know, you're gonna see a program like Huntsville, who's graduated about 650 people now.

Uh, you're gonna see one in Birmingham.

They're building one in uh Montgomery right now, and of course, the one here at Mobile is a little bit ahead of everybody else.

Um, but what you're gonna see is are that these programs will be up and going.

But if you have a community around here that's not big enough to support one, and I I use Washington County, although you know, we know there's not significant growth in Washington County, but let's say that that somebody up there says, you know what, we're issuing permits, we want to apply a fee to help train our workforce.

They can do that.

Now, clearly they'd never stand up one of these academies, they just wouldn't have the capacity to do so.

So at that point, Mobile, they might say, Well, hey, we want the folks in Mobile to run a satellite program for us, and at that point they could request money from that county, but it's staying in that county.

You see what I'm saying?

This has to be budgeted and allocated to them.

Um, but we want to make sure that y'all are comfortable with where that money is uh and where it's gonna go.

But I think you're gonna be happy once the program gets up.

The track record shows well.

You know, we we looked at models all across the country and then landed on these, and they work, you know, and we're getting young men and women that unfortunately a lot of times they're not the kids in high schools.

We're not competing with the trade schools.

We're catching those kids that unfortunately, and I say kids, you know, maybe people my age that are out there that that they're undereducated, they have no opportunities or they're looking for a new opportunity for a new career.

And uh, we want to help them find that.

We want them to be on our industry.

Ms.

President.

Uh Mr.

Um, thank you, Mr.

Collins.

Thank you, uh Ms.

Reed for coming down.

This is what we need.

You know, this is opportunities for our young people in our community to learn a trade, a skill set.

And and sometimes people are good with their hands, and sometimes even just from the standpoint of we've kind of kind of pushed the four-year university in, and they sit down.

We've given them the opportunity to go into this academy.

And I just want to thank you all for doing it.

Um, for putting this together, and I definitely support this initiative.

Thank you.

Thanks, President.

Yeah, um thank you.

Appreciate you all coming and uh making the presentation, and thank you, Ben, for following through on that.

Just a couple of questions to make sure everybody who is listening understands how it works because you talk about levying our guys.

So, how are the fees levied?

And then also, this is strictly residential, correct?

It's not commercial.

Okay.

Yeah, so it's uh strictly residential.

Um, the way the ordinance is written, it's up to $20 per permit.

So it's just it's a small fee to just assist with the school funding.

So when you pull permits to build a house or whatever, it's going to be included in that permit.

Correct.

And it goes back to okay.

Mr.

President.

Uh Ms.

Woods, um, thank you all for bringing this.

And again, this is something I guess about three months ago, might be longer than that.

Um, whenever you all brought this excellent opportunity, and I I do like the fact that you know there's several places all across our city that's training our our our teenagers, um, you know, high schools, juniors, seniors.

Um, but I do not say that this won't do that, but this does give other opportunities for um for our workforce to do that.

And I think just like looking over it and in preparation for understanding this, I think roughly between now and 2034, roughly half a million jobs in the in the in single family, multi-family residence construction is gonna be opening up across the country.

I know locally here, I I lose uh team members uh to the to the industry quite often of uh just because there's no demand on it.

And um, you know, this also gives the opportunity again to step in, not only train our our youth, but also um step in uh for somebody that's looking for a career change as well.

So um, thanks for bringing this to us.

And uh, with your permission, I'd love to co-sponsor it with you, Mr.

Reynolds.

I would like to join us a co-sponsor as well.

Yeah, I would like to uh follow behind my colleagues.

Thank you all so much, you know, for presenting this to us uh several months ago.

And uh thank you also uh councilman Runnels for uh staying on top of this and everything.

This isn't another great thing to know that we are short of houses in this area.

So I think this is another boost to help us to increase housing out of the community and everything.

Again, thank you all so much.

Thanks for hearing this.

Thank you.

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They're gonna be like make my day.

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We've been asked to table this one.

Announcements.

Yeah, the uh resolutions uh that are under 50,000 08-1363, 64 and 67.

Uh, don't know if there's any entrance interest in um possibly one of the ordinances waiving the rules on any of those.

Maybe 11056, but you know, up to you guys.

Uh just just leave them.

Okay, all right.

Uh council, Miss President, uh Ms.

Pan.

Um I wanted to talk about the 211 1367, the Jimmy Buffy, um, but not more about that, but it just made me think about the music um scene in the city of Mobile.

Um, we had an opportunity to um travel to Dublin, Ireland.

And what I noticed about when we were there, it was music everywhere, like everywhere we went, and these people they had these lanyards on.

Um, so I assume that was uh something with the city that they were promoting.

And we have so many great musicians that came from the city of Mobile.

And I found out that Huntsville has an office of music, and that's something I just would like for us to kind of look into.

I don't know how that works.

So um, just something that we can kind of look into and just see how we can expand the music scene here in Mobile, but um, they have an office of music, and we have so many great legends that came from the city of Mobile for music.

Um, I think we that that could be some growth opportunities there.

So if you could let's kind of look at see what Huntsville is doing in the area.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Of course, there's your counselor.

He's on his way out.

Oh meeting.

Oh this listen, there's stemson still have some influence.

You still have a lot of influence, and so he's still here.

I don't know what can happen in a week.

I like it.

A lot could uh, as I heard on the radio this morning, uh in his uh speech after the campaign.

Uh I think he and uh Spiro is supposed to be joined at the hip and meeting after meeting and uh supposed to go through all the meetings together and join hands and so that he could see what was happening and how it works and how the transition was gonna be and what it was gonna be like.

But let me um offer uh an option for you.

Uh the county commission, Monsieur Ludgood is redoing the ace theater, and in the Ace Theater, they're gonna house the Excelsior band in the history of the Excelsior.

Uh it would be a great project for you or whoever is going to be sitting in this seat to have a uh uh intergovernmental agreement with her so that the history of music in downtown can be housed at the same point and shared in that same facility, especially with the growth, the the growth in which downtown's going, and especially what's gonna be transformative on MLK as we redo that street.

Now, you gotta remember the area of Dublin we were in is uh was purely uh a tourist area, so they're gonna roll out the red carpet for everything that you saw.

So music was everywhere, but that was great.

But just know that uh the Ace Theater is coming back in a big race place to have possibly have a shared agreement with the Office of Music inside of it.

And all the council members, uh mayor.

I was sitting here listening to the conversation about the club and uh what's going on there, you know.

I was sitting there asking myself, is there any question in my mind or in your minds that there's egregious behavior and that this has been going on for a while?

One of the biggest challenges that we have from a policing standpoint is trying to make sure that um we always talk about de-escalation, you know, you don't want to get into a situation where uh all of a sudden uh something bad is going to happen, all right.

And so visualize yourself as a city counselor, you're one of maybe one or two or three policemen there.

You're in a situation where there are hundreds of cars or 50 cars, whatever it is.

People are drinking in the parking lot, they've been drinking for we don't know how long.

We've already had a situation where uh shots have been fired.

Okay, we've had a situation where cars have been urinated on.

So the behavior uh is being changed by the alcohol consumption.

So my concern is is that you know, are we trying to say that we should have towed six cars, or are we gonna be are we gonna be satisfied when we towed 10?

Or are we gonna be satisfied uh when a policeman gets shot, or we have an officer involved shooting?

Any of those situations, the officer involved shooting or an officer getting charged, is on you know, it's it's just something that all of a sudden we have lost control, okay?

And we're gonna have to deal with the aftermath of it.

We're asking our policemen already to do a whole lot, and even though they're off duty, even though they're sworn officers, you know, there's certain guidelines they'll do, but also from a common sense standpoint, there's certain things that I don't care.

If you're an individual and you're looking at a situation that could get out of hand, you know, prudence tells you I should probably do this rather than that.

Now, I don't know how much more information you really need, you know, to make a decision.

Uh, but every week that goes by that we don't do something, I think that you're putting uh citizens at risk as well as our police at risk.

So as far as the protocols of what we've done in the past, yes, we want to probably do things like we've been doing it in the past, but sometimes uh you have to set precedence uh if the situation wants it.

So please consider that and for the elsewhere in the first.

All right, we'll see you guys at 10:30.

Hey, TJ, I'm gonna do a moment of silence from that guy.

Also probably former chief police too.

But Michael Williams.

He does, yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, because I always call it a tire.