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Mobile City Council Meeting Summary - October 21, 2025

City Council MeetingsTuesday, October 21, 2025
BodyMobile, Alabama
SessionCity Council Meetings
DateTuesday, October 21, 2025
StatusFILED
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Ladies and gentlemen now in the hands of our capable city clerk, Ms.

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Lisa Carroll.

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This is the pre-meeting of the Mobile City Council Tuesday, October the 21st.

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We have approval of minutes from September 24th and September 30th.

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Any issues anyway.

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All right.

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Appeals, we have requests for waiver the noise ordinance on October the 25th from 5 p.m.

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till 10 p.m.

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on uh fleetwood drive.

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Okay.

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Public hearings today is the public hearing to consider the proposed conditional use permit for property located at 2316 Hillwood Drive West.

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Public hearing to consider the modification of a previously approved put for a property located at 550 Providence Park Drive East.

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Okay.

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Presentation of petitions and other communications to the council.

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Mary Palmer uh request for annual Boeington day to honor Chris Boyanton who was accused and hung for the murder of Nathaniel Frost.

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Um Lakeesha Clement comments about the revocation of Fat 2C Sports Bar.

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Oh, Valencia Green cancel.

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Ordinances held over 52046 about chapter 52, real property maintenance and enforcement article eight vacant structure registry for Henry Aaron Loop.

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Ms.

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President, um Mr.

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Runnels.

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I don't know that we distributed all the changes over to y'all, but um I think it's certainly something we should probably talk about, the various changes that we came up with, and I'll get these distributed out to everyone, but I wanted to run through a few of these um just so everybody knows kind of what they're looking at when you look at it.

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The intent of the changes were to remove some of the ambiguities with in the ordinance so that it's not so subjective to folks.

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Um, and then also to instead of requiring every every property owner within the Henry Aaron Loop to just register on their own.

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We now have shifted it to make the in this amendment.

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The city, if they identify a potentially vacant building, they will then place notice on that building, and then once notice is given, then it'll be up to that property owner to show that they are in fact not vacant or they need or they meet some exemption or that they are vacant and then they need to be placed on the registry and pay the you know the the registry, you know, bill on that.

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Um so it changes the obligation.

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Uh we removed several sections where it said the reason to the reasonable determination of the code official.

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We struck through much of that.

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I'll get all of this to y'all.

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I'm sorry you hadn't gotten it.

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There were some last-minute uh snafus with trying to get it, you know, all together.

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Uh one other big thing was the fee schedule.

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I think it's something worth discussing.

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When you get commercial structures without any residential units, you go to a minimum amount that you will be charged or a per square foot amount that it's in there.

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Currently, for the first year, it's a thousand dollars or five cents per square foot, and that puts a 20,000 square foot building owner in the same category as a 1,000 square foot building owner, and those two don't pose the same sort of public safety risk or the same um amount of vacancy.

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So I've we've restructured that and you really have two options.

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And here we we we made it where it's a thousand square foot is the smallest amount, but then 10 cents per square foot for the square footage amount, which then you know equals it out.

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So a 10,000 square foot building owner is gonna pay the same as a 1,000 square foot building owner versus a 1,000 square foot building owner paying the same as a 20,000 square foot building owner.

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That's not a fair deal, but we can structure it either way.

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We can make the fees less, or we can make the fee fees higher and come out with a similar outcome.

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I'll distribute these all to you guys, and uh maybe we can get a vote, but uh if not, you know, we can hold it obviously a week if if necessary.

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Sorry, it took so long to get through these.

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This is sort of a 10-pager that is not you know easy to get everybody on the same page.

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Council, are y'all won't like to hold it over for a week or especially if you haven't looked at the new language.

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I don't see the lead for it.

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I'm not gonna let uh the only thing that I didn't agree with is the uh language uh on five and ten cents.

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It's not clear if you're five cents up to a thousand square feet, ten cents for each additional thousand square feet, or if it's ten cent on a larger building per total total square footage.

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It would apply total square footage to the greater of.

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So the way it's structured currently is 1,000 square foot.

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You'll never pay less than one.

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I'm sorry, 1,000.

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You'll never pay less than 1,000.

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But if your square foot calculation at five cents per square foot exceeds a thousand dollars, you will pay that greater amount.

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So it should be the warning should be five cents up to 1,000 and 10 cents for the additional for each additional 1,000 square feet.

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No, it's not per thousand square foot, but it's it's just based on your square footage amount.

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So you'll charge them 10 cents if it's if the building's over how many square feet.

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So that's that's the catch in the language.

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You know, it's got to be a uh defined parameter to get the additional 10 cents.

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Where does it start?

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Safety███████████████████████████████31%
Workforce Development██████████████████18%
Procedural█████████████████17%
Business Licensing████████████12%
Zoning And Land Use███████████11%
Parking Management█████5%
Arts And Culture████4%
Affordable Housing1%
Economic Development1%
Summary of Proceedings

Mobile City Council Meeting Summary - October 21, 2025

The Mobile City Council convened on October 21, 2025, to address a wide range of administrative, zoning, and public safety matters. Key discussions centered on a proposed amendment to the vacant structure registry fees in the Henry Aaron Loop, which the council unanimously deferred for one week to review new language and ensure fee structures are equitable. The council also extensively debated the revocation of a business license for the 1608 St. Stephen's Road establishment due to noise ordinances and public safety concerns, deciding to delay the decision to request detailed activity curves and historical precedents from administration. Additionally, the council received detailed presentations supporting the Alabama Construction Trade Academy, a workforce development initiative funded by a permit fee on residential construction.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved minutes from September 24th and September 30th.
  • Approved routine administrative items including CIP resolutions for drainage repairs, software renewals, and various equipment purchases, subject to the hold-over discussions below.
  • Approved purchase orders for aerial trucks, fleet vehicles, and software licenses without opposition.
  • Proposed appointments and transfers (Raymond Bell to Water and Sewer Board, William Pentway to Board of Adjustment, and fund transfers for the Parade of Dragoons) were introduced but some were held over for further review or co-sponsorship confirmation.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Mary Palmer: Submitted a request for Boeington Day to honor Chris Boyanton. She noted that Boyanton was accused and hung for the murder of Nathaniel Frost.
  • Council Member Penn: Expressed strong concern regarding public safety, stating that residents should not live in fear of neighbor businesses and emphasizing that individual rights end where others' begin. He stated he supports the police department one hundred percent but stressed the need for fairness and consistent standards before revoking any license.
  • Council Member Carbot: Questioned the administration regarding the volume of arrests versus police calls, noting 200 calls between 1 a.m. and 6 a.m. He requested clarification on whether any arrests occurred inside the club versus in parking lots and asked for historical data on how previous similar cases (Atlantis, 1608 St. Stephen's) were handled to ensure a fair precedent was set.
  • Council Member Woods: Expressed support for the Construction Trade Academy while highlighting the city's need to expand workforce opportunities for youth and career changers.
  • Administration (Mr. Carbo/Police Rep): Stated that the behavior at the bar was creating an untenable atmosphere, draining precinct resources, and presented data regarding pending drug sale charges against a bartender and the inability of the bar to secure a liquor license independently from the council.

Discussion Items

  • Ordinance 52146 (Vacant Structure Registry - Henry Aaron Loop): Councilman Runnels proposed changes to the fee schedule to make it less subjective and more proportional to property size. The current proposal was criticized for charging a flat fee regardless of building size (e.g., 1,000 sq. ft. equal to 20,000 sq. ft.). The intent was to shift from a flat fee to a tiered structure ($1,000 minimum or 5 cents/sq. ft., potentially 10 cents for larger areas) to ensure fairness. Council members raised concerns about the clarity of the new language and the potential for fee increases, though the administration clarified the intent was to level fees, not raise them. The council moved to hold this item over for one week to review the red-line changes.
  • Revocation of Business License (1608 St. Stephen's Road): The council debated suspending vs. revoking the license for the bar due to persistent noise, illegal parking, and public safety hazards. Council members discussed the legal limits of the council, the potential for imposing conditions (hours of operation, security), and the difficulty of enforcement on private property (Tony's across the street). Several members expressed that while they do not wish to set a precedent of arbitrary revocation, the cumulative impact on the neighborhood and police resources necessitates decisive action. The Vice President and Councilman Penny emphasized the need to avoid setting a precedent that allows easy revocation, while others argued that the current situation is egregious and dangerous.
  • Alabama Construction Trade Academy Fund Fees: Representatives from the Home Builders Association presented a proposal to levy a fee (up to $20 per permit) on residential construction to fund a workforce academy. They described an eight-week rapid training course that accelerates apprenticeship requirements. The proposal was supported by Councilman Reynolds and Councilwoman Woods, with co-sponsorships offered, citing the need to address the skilled labor shortage and provide career pathways for undereducated adults.
  • Jimmy Buffett Sculpture: Council member Penn noted the contract (211367) for a Jimmy Buffett sculpture and proposed a motion to explore creating a similar Office of Music in Mobile, citing the success of Dublin, Ireland, and Huntsville, Alabama. Councilman Carbot suggested a potential intergovernmental agreement with the City of Mobile for the Ace Theater to house the history of the Excelsior band alongside a city music office.

Key Outcomes

  • Deferred: Ordinance 52146 (Vacant Structure Registry Amendment) was held over for one week to review the revised fee schedule language and ensure clarity.
  • Deferred: Resolution regarding the revocation/suspension of the business license at 1608 St. Stephen's Road (Item 6013) was held over for one week. The council requested a detailed curve of activity, clarification on arrest statistics, and historical data on prior license suspensions/revocations before making a final determination.
  • Approved for Presentation: The proposal to levy fees for the Alabama Construction Trade Academy was accepted for further process, with co-sponsorships declared by Councilmembers Woods and Penn. No final vote on the fee ordinance text was recorded as the presentation was informational and supportive.
  • Tabled/Deferred: Resolutions 081363, 081364, and 081367 (Funding for Tiger Broad Street, Marketing for Parks, Jimmy Buffett Statue) were noted for potential rule waivers if necessary but left for future discussion.
  • Consensus: The council unanimously agreed that public safety is paramount and that no resident should live in fear near commercial establishments, while simultaneously committing to a fair, data-driven process before exercising the power to revoke a business license.

Meeting Transcript

Ladies and gentlemen now in the hands of our capable city clerk, Ms. Lisa Carroll. This is the pre-meeting of the Mobile City Council Tuesday, October the 21st. We have approval of minutes from September 24th and September 30th. Any issues anyway. All right. Appeals, we have requests for waiver the noise ordinance on October the 25th from 5 p.m. till 10 p.m. on uh fleetwood drive. Okay. Public hearings today is the public hearing to consider the proposed conditional use permit for property located at 2316 Hillwood Drive West. Public hearing to consider the modification of a previously approved put for a property located at 550 Providence Park Drive East. Okay. Presentation of petitions and other communications to the council. Mary Palmer uh request for annual Boeington day to honor Chris Boyanton who was accused and hung for the murder of Nathaniel Frost. Um Lakeesha Clement comments about the revocation of Fat 2C Sports Bar. Oh, Valencia Green cancel. Ordinances held over 52046 about chapter 52, real property maintenance and enforcement article eight vacant structure registry for Henry Aaron Loop. Ms. President, um Mr. Runnels. I don't know that we distributed all the changes over to y'all, but um I think it's certainly something we should probably talk about, the various changes that we came up with, and I'll get these distributed out to everyone, but I wanted to run through a few of these um just so everybody knows kind of what they're looking at when you look at it. The intent of the changes were to remove some of the ambiguities with in the ordinance so that it's not so subjective to folks. Um, and then also to instead of requiring every every property owner within the Henry Aaron Loop to just register on their own. We now have shifted it to make the in this amendment. The city, if they identify a potentially vacant building, they will then place notice on that building, and then once notice is given, then it'll be up to that property owner to show that they are in fact not vacant or they need or they meet some exemption or that they are vacant and then they need to be placed on the registry and pay the you know the the registry, you know, bill on that. Um so it changes the obligation. Uh we removed several sections where it said the reason to the reasonable determination of the code official. We struck through much of that. I'll get all of this to y'all. I'm sorry you hadn't gotten it. There were some last-minute uh snafus with trying to get it, you know, all together. Uh one other big thing was the fee schedule. I think it's something worth discussing. When you get commercial structures without any residential units, you go to a minimum amount that you will be charged or a per square foot amount that it's in there. Currently, for the first year, it's a thousand dollars or five cents per square foot, and that puts a 20,000 square foot building owner in the same category as a 1,000 square foot building owner, and those two don't pose the same sort of public safety risk or the same um amount of vacancy. So I've we've restructured that and you really have two options. And here we we we made it where it's a thousand square foot is the smallest amount, but then 10 cents per square foot for the square footage amount, which then you know equals it out. So a 10,000 square foot building owner is gonna pay the same as a 1,000 square foot building owner versus a 1,000 square foot building owner paying the same as a 20,000 square foot building owner. That's not a fair deal, but we can structure it either way. We can make the fees less, or we can make the fee fees higher and come out with a similar outcome. I'll distribute these all to you guys, and uh maybe we can get a vote, but uh if not, you know, we can hold it obviously a week if if necessary. Sorry, it took so long to get through these. This is sort of a 10-pager that is not you know easy to get everybody on the same page. Council, are y'all won't like to hold it over for a week or especially if you haven't looked at the new language. I don't see the lead for it. I'm not gonna let uh the only thing that I didn't agree with is the uh language uh on five and ten cents. It's not clear if you're five cents up to a thousand square feet, ten cents for each additional thousand square feet, or if it's ten cent on a larger building per total total square footage. It would apply total square footage to the greater of. So the way it's structured currently is 1,000 square foot.

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