I will call the JNO committee to order.

Can the clerk call the roll, please?

Alder McGuire.

Here.

Halder True Hart.

Here.

Alder Frankie.

And Alder Vestine.

Here.

All right.

Does anyone have any correction on the minutes from May 11th?

Oh my god, all right.

Those will stand as presented.

On to C1 discussion and possible action regarding the City of Monroe's vaping ordinance.

This is Administrator Rindy.

And so there, if you recall, actually, it was former Alder Cleaven, um, made a request back in April about having a discussion surrounding vaping ordinance at JNO.

So our current code in section 814 has adopted the no smoke no smoking ban of the Wisconsin statutes, but there I believe they don't that doesn't limit the the e-devices.

Um there are municipalities though that are adopting within their ordinance something in addition to the no non-smoking ban to include the e-cigarettes or vaping devices.

Um I included an example from Madison.

Um I think the one thing it just does with a very brief review that attorney Bardoff also kind of did with looking at it, is um that we we have the authority to limit it, but obviously we can't limit it in the outdoor areas, but we could apply it to the the structures or facilities.

Um kind of bringing this to you as a preliminary discussion, if it is something that you would like us to further investigate and draft for an ordinance for you to consider.

Um and if so, if you have any preferences of what we include or address in that I mean I I like the um vaping getting put in the same basket as smoking.

I think it makes sense to include those together.

So I'd be in favor of it.

I agree as well.

I think it should just be an umbrella plant uh policy or ordinance, and um vaping is you know what it's a tobacco, but it's still it's still putting something out that other people have to breathe in.

So I would agree.

Yeah, and I think it makes sense just to keep what we have and just figure out how to add vaping to the existing state statute or copy that and plug that in as a separate article in there or something like that.

Yeah, Madison's ordinance is like way too comprehensive.

We don't need that.

This buried there's a buried couple of things that talks about the electronic delivery devices, the vape things, and then there's um so I think I can pick and choose, and I can I can keep it fairly short and just say this also includes vaping or something along those lines.

I can have a draft done for next time.

Yeah, I guess my should be very difficult.

My vision is the that it would we'd define the electronic smoking devices and include that as part of the non-smoking ban in addition to or unless there were additional preferences.

Um I maybe I've thought about this just recently and might put Chief Kelly or Captain Fultz on the spot too.

Like I don't know, are there any concerns with enforcement or in having it in addition?

I think one thing we might need to think about beyond if well there'll be a public hearing if once the ordinance comes forward and goes to council, there would be a public hearing there, but we might also need to think about like education on that as well prior to enforcement kind of a topic of discussion.

And I'm assuming it would follow the same citation as if you were cited for smoking in this.

Um there's already by state statute, the age control is already in there.

So because vaping is is considered to be a nicotine device, it's not a smoking device, and that's where the the line is drawn is the the state statute about inside says tobacco products and smoking, and because it doesn't fit that and it doesn't fit that.

So the state has left it to the municipalities to do themselves.

And so um if you if you make as as definitive as you can, the easier for us to enforce.

And again, this is more like not patrolling looking for it, but somebody complains about it.

So education as uh administrator Rindy said is probably gonna be almost primary on this is the to let everybody know that we have it.

So social media and whatever we can do to let people know.

But I think people kind of assume that it's already there, but admit so education may be easier than what we're hoping.

And just to clarify, like the festivals we have, those are all no smoking, so it would apply to them.

Yes?

No, not outside.

Okay.

Yeah, it has to be inside the building in order to be a no.

So like beer gardens outside and stuff.

Um some of those the the push to get those was because the taverns wanted a place to send their smoking customers, so it doesn't cover those.

So it has to be in the building.

I don't think that if any place Madison would be whether a city attorney can find there might be something about how close to a door or the like the main entrance or something, uh attorney barred off that you can find.

I don't know, but it'll be it's hard.

It's kind of funny.

The ordinance we could in theory expand our smoking to public property, even outside.

I I'm not sure it's it's probably somewhere where we want to go with.

But like for bars and restaurants, we can say that they have to have a they have an area outside that is a reasonable distance from their door or something, but you can't even define what reasonable distance is, which is kind of strange.