Go ahead and call rolling ready.

It is 6 31.

So do you want to call the order?

Yes, please.

So for the August 27th meeting of the bicycle pedestrian advisory commission.

Like to call us to order and get a roll call, please.

Member Bonte?

Here.

Member Stone?

Here.

Member Hong?

Here.

Chair Terry.

Jerry Burton.

Advice Chair Agies Cousin?

President.

Okay, thank you.

So moving to our first item.

We've uh no one finished business.

So we are looking for oral communications from the public for uh addressing topics not on the agenda.

Um do we have any members of the public uh wishing to address us this time on Zoom?

Yes, I have there was somebody here, I think.

Okay, we'll we'll take the in-person.

Go ahead.

Okay, so we'll go ahead with uh start with in-person then.

Three minutes, right?

Yes, three minutes.

Hi, I'd like to introduce myself.

My name is Eugene Cordero.

I'm uh 18 year resident here in Mountain View.

I work at San Jose in meteorology and climate science, so I'm a climate scientist, care about transportation emissions related to climate change, and very supportive of bike uh design infrastructure to make it safer and easier for me and my neighbors in the community to cycle around.

I've kind of three points to make.

Um the first is you know, we live in Silicon Valley, the center of innovation, and I look forward to seeing that innovation in our transportation network.

So I want to encourage BPAC and I want to encourage staff to kind of dig deeper into developing what I think would be the more of the kind of infrastructure that we'd be proud of, showing our colleagues in Europe and Asia that we can effectively design transportation networks that make people from all ranges feel comfortable cycling.

Um kind of brings me to my next point.

So that's about innovation.

Second point is a story about my neighbor Ronique Bryant, who was a council member and a mayor here in Mountain View.

One day Renit said to me, Mountain View has always been a bicycle-friendly city, always.

And I thought to myself, I wonder if Ronnie actually rides a bicycle.

Because I've been riding a bicycle in Mountain View for 18 years, or better than that, and it doesn't feel like a friendly place to ride.

She probably hasn't ridden on um middle field in an evening or on a weekend when the cars are in the bike lane.

She hasn't ridden on uh shoreline to go over to Google ever, going over the overpass.

Um she hasn't ridden on uh on shoreline and El Camino where you know bike lane ends and you're you're stuck.

Um so I actually want to invite staff, especially council members and staff to go riding with us to see what it feels like to ride a bicycle.

And I know some of the staff do, but I don't think they all do, because if they did, they wouldn't design what they've been designing for two decades because that is not a comfortable way to move around.

And uh so the invitations are gonna come to staff, and we're gonna ask you to come ride with us so you can see what it feels like.

My last point is uh going back to the innovation.

Uh you're gonna be discussing Miramonte today.

I would like to see what the initial design plans were from the consultant, because that consultant has a very good reputation of doing good design, and not that Miramante isn't a huge improvement, because it is that's a that's a real tough area right now, but I wonder how we got to the plans that we're looking at today.

And it didn't seem at least I couldn't find on the website any reference to the original designs given by the consultant who got paid 16k.

So I'd like to be able to see that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other members of the public in the room would like to make a comment?

Item is not on the agenda.

Okay, seeing none, can we go to Zoom?

Uh I believe I unmuted you, Henry Witfeld.

Are you able to speak?

Let's not share it and see.

Hello, are you able to speak?

You're muted.

I can't hear you.

Hello?

Yes, there it is.

Give me one second to start my timer.

And we'll be started.

Please start.

Hello.

Can you hear me?

Yes.

I can't hear you.

I'm sorry.

I don't know what to do.

We can hear you loud in a wave.

Audio is on.

Yeah, your microphones are working.

There are people online.

Can anybody else online raise a hand if you can hear us just to confirm?

Okay, great.

So Henry, it seems to be on your side that you can't hear us.

Hello, Henry.

Are you still there?

Oh, he left.

Any other members of the public on Zoom wishing to comment at this point?

No.

Okay.

I I think we should proceed.

Perhaps we can re-insert Mr.

Whitfield if he's able to come back and connect correctly, that we can uh interact with him.

Um but uh at this point that includes uh oral communications from members of the public on non-agenda items.

So moving on to item number four, our consent calendar.

Um moving on to the next item, which I believe is approval of the minutes.

Is on it's on which is on the consent calendar.

Um so at this point, unless there is a motion to pull an item for the consent calendar.

Um like to go ahead and call for a vote to the accept the meeting minutes as submitted.

Um I am going to poll the minutes.

Um that's well, it's not precisely the way we do the consent anyways, but I am going to pull the minutes uh since there is something there is at least one thing I wanted to correct in them.

Okay, let's see what else do we have on the sorry there's the towel.

What's it so the remaining item on the consent calendar is the um what's referred to as tower the work plan?

Um are there any motions to pull that item um separate discussion, or can we go ahead and I'll I'll make a motion to uh approve the remainder of the consent calendar, which is the 2025 to 26 B pack tinted agenda list.

Okay, sign on that second.

So calling for a vote.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Unanimous, thank you.

Okay, moving back then to um the uh meeting uh minutes.

First, can we make sure we do a public comment on the meeting minutes?

Okay, or anything on the consent I can see.

So excuse me.

Let's go forward with the meeting minutes.

Uh any public comment in the room or comments on the meeting minutes from the last uh BPAC meeting.

Nothing online, nothing virtual.

Seeing no one in the room informed that there's no one online.

Like to go to clarifying questions from committee members about uh the minutes or comments thereof.

Yeah, it's comments.

So on two of the items, the motions appeared correct in the contents and the vote, but the person who moved it in the second votes either incorrect or swapped to me.

Um based on my review of both, especially based on the personal notes from the meeting and then from uh reviewing, checking the video to make sure that I my notes were correct.

Essentially based on the personal notes from the meeting and then from uh reviewing, checking the video to make sure that I my notes were correct.

And based on that, on item 6.1.

Um the motion was seconded by member Bonton, not Member Stone.

And item 6.2.

The minutes say Cuzmal slash Stone for the motion, which implies that I made it, but Member Stone is the one that made the motion and I seconded it.

Um yeah, and since motions are the main thing, I want to make sure I corrected the minutes.

I wanted to make sure we call this one out.

Um I don't know if other people want to just go ahead with that correction, or I've been surprised not everyone will have carefully reviewed the most they have no recording.

That's because you were recused.

Well, on one I done that one apparently seconded it.

So uh yeah, the the yeah six point, I don't remember which one is six point one and six point two.

Okay, so I guess the discussion or is there a motion to uh update the minutes as suggested and or any objections to doing so?

Can you clarify?

I'm sorry, for six one, you were saying that the motion was by you.

I I yeah, I was not concerned about who had made the motion, which suggests that was correct.

Okay.

Um I just want to make sure I get your comments.

Yeah.

Yes, so for 6.1, it's that currently it says Cuzmole slash stone, it should say Kuzmo slash volunteer.

And for 6.2, it currently says Cuzmole slash stone, and it should say stone slash Cuzmal.

The contents of the motion and the votes were correct.

Thank you for that clarification.

Um I guess I'll I'll move that correction.

Move that we accept the minutes with that correction.

Is there a second?

I mean, I I don't think any of the rest of us remember I can second based on trust.

We'll confirm on the remote.

We'll confirm that's the cycle.

Okay.

Okay, so there's a motion to accept the minutes with the suggested corrections and staff to verify.

And staff to verify.

Um I think we're ready to call for a vote.

All in favor.

I guess I should abstain.

We have to abstain on top of the minutes to provide.

So uh motion passes uh three to zero with one.

Yeah, I I zero from it.

Or zero, excuse me.

Ms.

County.

Yes.

I went and checked the video and I was like, oh, this is really confusing.

So I'll try to call that out then.

Yeah.

Um, so um we are done with the items on the consent calendar, including the minutes now.

That does allow us to move forward to um our first item, which is our uh new business, which is the item 6.1 active transportation collision report, and I believe we have members of the police department here to provide an update.

Okay, thank you for having us.

Thank you for inviting me back.

I really appreciate that.

Um Brandon forwarded me several inquiries from the committee, and uh majority of them were related to e-bikes, and so I brought in Officer Hammond with me today, and he is a patrol officer, um, but he also has a collateral assignment with our bike patrol, and he is very knowledgeable on e-bikes, and so I'm gonna turn this portion of the presentation over to him so he can uh provide some education on the different types of bikes and municipal codes uh applicable.

You guys prefer I stay seated here or in the middle.

What are you guys?

Whatever you're comfortable with.

Oh, okay.

I'll say that.

This is typical, but you're allowed to stand.

Okay.

Hopefully, some of you guys will recognize me.

I've been with the city since January of 2002.

I did 10 years on motors.

I've been on the bike team for over 10 years as well.

I'm a bicycle instructor.

Uh hopefully you guys have seen me on the trail and around.

My primary focus right now is patrol.

So I work day shift Monday through Thursday.

So if you guys are out and about sometime around then in the trails and around the downtown area, hopefully you'll see me on my bicycle riding around.

Pretty distinctive.

We'll be training five more, so that we will hopefully have a lot more people wearing this shirt soon.

Today's presentation is going to be on e-bikes with the change in technology and the application of electric to just about any device you can think of.

It gets very confusing on how does the vehicle code define this device and how is the vehicle code limiting the use of the device.

And that changed recently, is about five years ago, which we'll go in.

Can you go to the next slide, please?

So when you look at these devices behind me, do you know exactly what the vehicle code calls them?

Are they bicycles, e-bicycles, off-highway vehicles?

Are they pedestrian?

Electric scooters, what are they?

We're gonna define that for you.

Next slide, please.

So the reason this is important to the police department is because of the extra hazards it poses to the users and the people around them.

What we've seen in the studies is that someone on a bicycle versus someone on an e-bike is a lot less likely to be injured.

So the e-bike is up to 2.8 times more likely to end up in the hospital on the crashes.

Um a lot of that is going to be similar to the motorcycle crashes.

We're seeing broken bones, internal injuries.

Uh, some of these uh there's a lot of different factors that come into play, but some of them could be the characteristics of the e-bike, it's heavier, it doesn't uh handle as well as a traditional bicycle.

Also, the people riding them are not as experienced for instance.

The kids may not be obeying all the traffic rules, um, and they may not know some of the traffic rules.

In addition to that, they're wearing poor protective gear.

If you think about bicyclists, and especially the kids going around that you guys see probably on the trail and downtown, they don't look like the motorcycle here.

Uh next slide, please.

So the vehicle code is going to define, and I'm gonna give you just a uh an overview so it's very easy to figure out what an e-bike is.

It's gotta have pedals.

If it doesn't have pedals, it's not gonna meet the definition.

The second thing is it's gonna be limited to 750 watt motor.

If the motor is over that, it does not meet the definition.

When you get those two things qualified, then it goes into three different classes.

Next.

The first class and the second class are very similar to bicycles and where you can use them and how the vehicle code applies.

You don't need licenses for them.

You um, if you're over the age limit, you don't have to wear a helmet under the age limit.

Of course, you still do.

Um, and you can use them almost anywhere you can use a regular bicycle.

The first class is gonna be a pedal assist only, and it's limited to 20 miles an hour.

After 20 miles an hour, the electric assist has to be removed from the bicycle.

Next.

Class two is still limited to 20, and it's still limited to the uh 750 motor, but you can now have a throttle on the bike.

This is the only one that's allowed to have a throttle.

Next.

Class three is where everything changes.

Class three, you no longer get a throttle.

And you have to uh you can go up to 28 miles an hour.

And this is one of the biggest reasons for the change.

Once you hit this class three, you're still limited to the same wattage, 750, but now you have to be 16 years older, and regardless of age, you must wear a bicycle helmet.

Next.

We're also gonna talk about the differences on where you can use these uh different bicycles to identify them.

The manufacturer is required to have this sticker on it.

It has to be that font, and it has to be in a conspicuous spot.

It has to say what class it is, what's the top speed and the wattage.

However, these stickers are easily purchased online.

Next.

These are uh a cheat sheet here that shows you the different bicycles, the requirements, and the areas you can use them.

So if you notice our bicycles on the top for comparison, anybody can ride it, doesn't matter if you're under 17, you have to wear a helmet.

Our next type one and two are almost identical to that.

The type three is where stuff changes.

All of a sudden you notice your bike lanes on the right side.

You cannot use a type three in a class one or a class four bike lane.

We're gonna define those for you in a second.

And you'll see it's very similar to your moped moped.

Also has the same age restriction of 16, and you cannot use them in a type one or type four bike lane.

Next.

These are your bike lanes.

So if you look up at the top, type one, that's your shoreline trail.

The Stevens Creek Trail.

It's an off-highway bike lane.

Type two is very common around here.

Uh that's your lines on the roadway, part of the roadway type three or class three.

Uh, we have a couple around the downtown area, and that's where it's marked, but it doesn't have the separated lines on the lane.

And a class four is the up and coming.

That's what you start seeing this particular picture, is right in front of Graham.

You're starting to see them down El Camino, and we've got them uh down uh California.

The main thing there on the type four is the barrier.

So go back in your minds to our class three bicycle.

You can't use them in a type four, and you cannot use them on a type one, which is your Stevens Creek Trail type.

Next uh regulations.

So the Stevens Creek Trail says that as long as it's allowed by the vehicle code, you can use these electric devices on the trail.

I just told you the limitations for your classes one, two, they're okay.

Three is not.

And then, of course, you still have to obey the different types of vehicle code restrictions on that.

And you'll see that skateboards were allowed to be on there for a one year trial period.

I do not see that being updated.

Next, please.

I threw this in because moped is gas powered, unless it's electric, electric does not require pedals.

You have to have an M2 license, you have to have a motorcycle helmet, and that's for comparisons for parents so they can see how similar a non-conforming what they think is a class three is to a moped.

Next.

Motor driven cycles, the regulations.

Of course, now you step up to helmets, M1 licensing, registration, and insurance requirements.

Next.

Motorized scooters.

A lot of people are shocked by this.

They're limited to 15 miles per hour.

You also have to have a driver's license or permit.

And a lot of people don't realize the vehicle code strictly regulates these.

No passengers allowed, and they are not allowed on a sidewalk unless they're crossing the sidewalk, not allowed to go straight down the sidewalk.

Next.

Then you have your electric skateboards.

And this is what's interesting.

The vehicle code sometimes is different on the devices based on what legislature was in place when they voted this stuff in.

You'll see the wattage is now a thousand watts.

So they can be more powerful than electric bicycle.

I don't know why.

And they're allowed to go up to 20 miles per hour.

Next.

Gas powered ones or steelhodegle.

Next.

And these are your personal mobility devices.

Shortcut for this is pretty much they're allowed anywhere you can walk.

They are strictly regulated, 750 watts, which is the same as our e-bikes, and they can only go 12.5 miles an hour.

We still have some vehicle code sections that apply.

We can still sign them for NSA speed, reckless, and they still have to yield to pedestrians.

Next is the quiz portion where I take parents through and kids to see if the bike conforms.

On this first one, it appears that it does conform because it's 750 and it has a throttle, but you notice the miles per hour does not, so that's not an e-bike.

Next.

This one also 750 half twist throttle 32.

Clearly does not conform, so it has not an e-bike.

Next 6,000 watt.

Remember, our limit's only 750.

This bicycle is all over the city.

And yet people don't realize the top speed, 50 miles an hour.

It has pedals.

You think it's an e-bike.

That is not an e-bike.

So if it's not an e-bike, what is it?

It's an highway vehicle only, and it's required to have a sticker as such and can only be used off highway.

Next.

So we're within the wattage thumb throttle, and miles per hour is only 12.

We're all that looks good, but there are no pedals.

That is not an e-bike.

Next.

This one is currently for sale at Walmart.

And it has a 1,000 watt motor.

Remember, we're only limited to 750, 18 miles an hour half twist throttle.

So clearly the waters puts it over, and there are no pedals.

And you'll see this one out there too.

Next.

Protective gear, you can see motorcyclists have helmets, they have gloves, they have reinforced gear, ankle protection, and yet most people on e-bikes, even though they're going speeds that would be similar to motorcycle, are not as well protected.

Next.

So what can we do about it?

As the police department, what we do is we target a couple different levels right off the bat.

Education.

So our school resource officers are assigned to each school and they're doing presentations at the school with a slideshow very similar to this, and they're educating the students to begin with.

Then they're going to meet with the parents if we have any violations, and we're also educating staff members of the school of what these devices are and what's in compliance and what it's not.

Next, we have enforcement that we can do.

A couple of different code sections up here that talk about helmets, stop signs, red light.

All the vehicle code reply applies to these vehicles.

In addition to the extra requirements, one of the neat things the police department has is a live at 25.

So officers can cite somebody that's under the age of 26, and it does not necessarily show up on their driving record as long as they complete the 1125 program.

Next.

Officers might use the Muni code as opposed to vehicle code to keep the point off of somebody's record.

It also might apply to more broad spectrum.

Says that all these vehicle codes can be applied.

And that's your basic right-aways, your equipment, all the stuff that's straight out of the vehicle code.

Next.

19.55 says you cannot use it in a parking structure.

Uh I think RCVS parking structure down the road, that's where we would enforce that.

Um 38.9 F and H are for parks.

And they say specifically that you cannot ride on the walkway trail or with any city park or facility with those motorcycle mobile, more nice bicycle, motorized scooter, all those type of things.

Um and you notice that your personality devices are okay.

H says that it has to be a reasonable speed, so that would be our speeding section.

So if something's unsafe, we can use that meaning code for an unsafe speed.

Next uh things to remember for us.

Umway vehicle code is um 38025 that covers the off-highway vehicles, and under that they can only cross the highway and they can be pushed on the roadway that cannot be ridden.

So when we encounter somebody that has one of these non-conforming um, that's not an electric bicycle, it's electric motorcycle.

Then they can still push it, but they cannot ride it.

And then that also defines what a pedestrian is.

Next.

And that's the end.

I don't know if you guys do a question.

Oh, you're gonna take the question.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Can we take questions or we look?

Um you have one more presentation.

Yeah.

Do you want to do that?

And then we can go to the next slide.

Thank you.

I think all of the inquir uh all the inquiries related to e-bikes have been answered, uh, but I'll just read them out loud so everybody knows uh what uh was submitted to me through.

So the first inquiry is Los Altos recently passed some e-bike regulations driven, I believe, by LAPD.

Has MBPD looked at adopting similar ones in Mountain View and also work in conjunction with LAPD to have uniform set of rules.

So uh in the last few slides of Officer Hammond, you saw uh all of our municipal codes that have already been in place for our city.

I'm not sure uh when or why Los Altos re what their recent um ordinances were that they recently implemented, but we already have that in our city.

Uh second inquiry is part of the Los Altos push on e-bike policing was the growth of dirt e-bikes that are not street legal.

Is this something MVPD enforces?

And if so, how that was answered in Officer Hammond's presentation.

Uh there are several uh vehicle code violations as well as municipal code violations that we can cite for, uh, and we also provide education outreach, uh, especially to the juvenile community, and we do that uh in coordination with the school district.

Uh question number three: there is a fair amount of vehicles stopping in the bike lanes on El Camino Real.

It looks like it's allowed for certain types of vehicles, such as utilities, trash collection, newspaper and delivery.

Can MVPD confirm that also?

Does it apply to delivery trucks?

If not, where should these essential deliveries occur on El Camino Real?

Uh the classification of bike lanes that we have on El Camino are class two and class four.

Uh because of these classifications, uh, it is a no-stopping zone, uh, no parking zone except for designated areas along that route.

And just like with e-bikes, uh, we are continually providing education and enforcement along El Camino Real as well as other areas of the city where we have bike lanes.

Um businesses are encouraged to arrange their drop-offs and pickups in their private parking lots uh in the designated areas along the route or along adjacent streets.

Next and number four.

Uh I've seen the bike lanes on ECR blocked by very large construction vehicles on Ringstorf, large development ongoing on the Los Altos side, or permits required for this type of work, and also time restrictions.

Uh, yes, permits are required for any large construction project and permits are approved uh by the planning division of the city.

Next question was with the city council having adopted vision zero.

How could the police department and BPAC work together to change culture, processes, infrastructure, and infrastructure to improve public safety and reduce deaths and injuries on the roads?

This press release, which I wasn't able to attach it, but um whoever submitted it uh also submitted a link to I believe Boulder PD's um social media page.

And the social media, I'm sorry, the press release and the social media post showed a strong approach to Vision Zero in Boulder, where PD uh was taking a leadership role.

Um so Vision Zero is led by the city's transportation team and to assist in uh Vision Zero's mission, the police department is continually, and I think us being here today is uh part of that collaboration, uh, collaborating with transportation and with the BPAC um to eliminate traffic fatalities and injuries on the roadway.

Uh, we've provided uh education through warnings, citations, and outreach uh throughout the community um and with the school district, and uh we believe that communication and collaboration amongst all the city departments um and with this committee is key to accomplishing uh the goals of Vision Zero.

And lastly, please discuss whether uh the many uh many bicycle scooter der routing sites placed on each various entrances onto downtown Cash Road Street have been enforced or will be enforceable.

How does a PD feel uh about seeing bikes and scooters pedal on the middle center of Casher Street and where children and families uh walk freely?

Uh I won't talk about my feelings, but I will tell you what we're doing.

Uh PD is currently working with public works as well as the city attorney's office to improve signage in the downtown area to include the appropriate uh violation code, and uh we have provided education to patrons, uh businesses downtown.

Um during the work week, Monday through Friday, we have officers assigned specifically to the downtown district, and uh one of their goals is to provide education to uh pedestrians as well as bicyclists in the area and looking for opportunities to educate uh riders of all types of vehicles.

So that is the end.

Uh, this is my contact information.

Um I left it before, um, but I do oversee uh our patrol, one of our patrol teams as well as our traffic unit.

So if you have any questions, uh you can direct that to me, and I will help get the answer if I don't know it.

Okay, thank you.

Um so at this point, we would go to clarifying questions from the committee about the presentation.

And I believe there was likely some interest.

Sure.

Um I guess first I'll touch on something in the e-bike presentation.

My impression from what you're saying about both the um nature of the existing municipal codes and um state laws is that it there isn't much additional that for the types of safety issues that you're encountering.

There isn't much additional that you think or that that would be valuable to enable making the street safer specifically around e-bikes or e-bike e-bike misuse, and that some of the laws like from I know I don't know precisely what happened in Los Altos, but I definitely have seen news stories about various cities in California like passing laws, which to me actually with the state code.

Is the case that you all don't really think there's much that's needed in Mountain View for additional um municipal codes at the such to be able to enforce the state laws?

Sorry, that was a long-winded uh question.

So just so I'm uh clear on and I'm understanding clearly your question.

You're asking, do we believe that we might need additional code municipal codes in addition to the ones we already have?

Yeah, yeah.

At this time.

I mean, I understand the future will change.

Yeah, uh, at this time, I don't do you see I'm gonna email uh if there was any, it would be more specific to Mountain View overall.

Um, the vehicle code's doing a very good job of addressing the issue.

Okay, and the other thing I'd be curious about is my impression of this is that a lot of the challenges are people being able to get or who are getting like things that aren't e-bikes online, or as you allude to apparently at Walmart.

Um that's I presume not something that the city mountain view is going to be doing much about.

Um is that a accurate impression that that is one of the sources of the problem, and is it accurate that Mountain View is not really going to be doing anything about that directly?

At least as far as the PD is concerned.

There might be answer who knows what the city attorney could do.

I don't think we can restrict sale of devices.

Yeah, we we wouldn't have any control over where they buy it or how they acquire it.

But that has been an aspect of the problem.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing that we can do in both our safe routes to school, vision zero, and then with the help of PD is the education.

Because I have to, as a parent, I have to imagine there are a lot of parents that don't want to put their kid on something that's as dangerous as being on a motorcycle without a license and without a helmet, because they don't realize that that's the situation.

Um I think if there's anything, maybe there you'll start seeing more things when you buy one of those that comes in your your little instruction manual of warnings, but I don't think that's something that the city can can advocate for at this time.

That that's that's my impression.

I'm just making sure that I'm not missing something about what was stated.

Okay, um I this is a question that's a bit specific that I know I submitted through Brandon after uh the the deadline that he provided for you uh officer hold, and that was on what a recent city council meeting.

I did hear a uh crossing guard for Crittenden giving actually not reason, this is in June.

It's just my notes that the next time this came up.

Um crossing guard for Crittenden say that he had seen some safety issues, and it sounded like he felt like he hadn't been able to effectively communicate those up to the police department.

Do you uh realize that this may be throwing this on you at the last minute?

Do you know anything about that specific um thing?

I I did see that email um come in after after the fact, but yeah, uh I wasn't there.

I didn't I didn't watch um the recording of that specific city council meeting, but that concern did make it to the PD.

Okay, and I unfortunately am not privy to hit uh his or her original uh report to the police if there was one or if the that was the first uh time they were bringing it to our attention, but it did uh make it our way immediately after the city council and we uh sent our uh patrol and our traffic units uh to monitor that intersection.

Okay, thank you.

I wanted to make sure that that had made it initially.

Um I think yeah, the pencil I had.

Thank you.

And thank you.

I um yes.

Uh it was a little unclear to me.

So in class two, as the just the paint kind of bicycle lanes, you can drive a class three e-bike, but it was unclear to me.

Can you also drive a moped or did I misunderstand what you guys have?

Can you go?

Uh is it possible to go back up to the um there's probably the fourth slide is the same.

Yes, my question is what kinds of devices are allowed in a class two specific changes.

No, okay.

Um which one can you go?

Can we keep going, please?

Uh again, again.

It's gonna be a gray chart.

Oh, okay.

That right there.

Okay.

So specifically he's request uh requesting information as to the the class two bike lane.

So we'll go over to class two and drop down, and you can see that everything is allowed in that.

Mopeds are allowed in there.

Okay, and mopeds do not have a speed limit.

So, yes, the mo, and that's exactly the point.

Uh the mopeds are gonna have the requirement of can you go to I'm sorry, can you go forward to the moped screen?

It's gonna be uh forward a little bit more, it's gonna be a white on the bottom direction.

Thank you.

That one right there.

So um the mopeds have to have pedals, or um obviously if a selection does not, and it's limited to 30 miles an hour on level ground.

Oh, it is okay.

I missed that.

Um but are you may not notice?

Do our bicycle lanes have a different speed limit in the speed limit of the road, or is it the same?

That's a good question.

Um and it depends on what device you're on.

So for instance, if you're um the speed limit's not gonna be in excess of the row that it is.

So for instance, if you're in a 25 zone, you can't do 30.

Um, but the exact opposite is also true if the speed limit, let's say you're going down shoreline is 35 and you have a type two bike lane there, it doesn't mean you can ride a bicycle at 35 in that bike lane.

You're still gonna be limited.

And then there's more regulations as to the slow moving vehicles and where they have to ride as well.

Is that in the Muni code or is that in the vehicle code?

Okay, vehicle code.

Well that that's applying to these bicycles.

If you were pedaling at 35, you're okay.

It's just for the e-bikes.

Yeah.

No assessment.

And I should and I should clarify that.

Um both all those classes or types of e-bikes um have to remove the assistance at those miles per hour.

It doesn't mean that they can't go faster.

They can't provide electric assistance over 28.

Yeah.

Okay, so you can like turn off the assist when you're going downhill.

Usually it's it's done by the computer and the bike.

Yeah, it's required to be done by the bike in order to meet the hard two enforce.

And it is, you're absolutely right.

Yeah.

Okay.

But we see it uh that a lot are your other devices, your scooter uh scooters and of course the um the skateboards as well.

But of course, you always have the like if they're unsafe, you can cite them for being unsafe no matter what the other uh yeah, I think that's all I had.

Thank you.

It was very informative.

So related to the e-bikes, I'm understanding sets um many of them can be kind of hacked in a way.

Uh you know, just like with phone, you can unlock it.

Uh and typically to get you know higher speed and and more power.

I mean, I I I used to write vopads as a teen, so I know in France, so that's it.

Yes, because you need the helmet even then and uh you know uh some insurance and and and registration.

So but anyway.

Uh but um so so how do you go about those?

I mean, uh it must be very hard to to kind of notice.

I mean, you know, or or to know anything you can do besides education and tell them not to do this, but you know, uh it seems to be uncatchable, aren't we?

So you can address that if you'd like.

Yeah.

So the vehicle code also requires uh deals with that, it's illegal to change the classification of the bike.

You cannot break it if you will and then use it on the road.

You can do it and use it in uh a private setting, but you can't put it on a roadway.

If you change the setting and it still meets the requirements of another class, and you must relabel it.

So the vehicle we do have those vehicle sections that we can enforce.

Uh you're right, it would be challenging in order to prove that.

Uh just thinking off the top of my head, if I have somebody going uphill not pedaling and I've got them on a laser doing 35, that's pretty easy to figure that one out.

I don't care what the sticker on the bike says, uh, because that bike clearly is not in compliance with an e-bike, it's now an off-highway vehicle.

Does it happen?

Or absolutely.

I don't know.

It absolutely does.

But most of the bikes that I've seen aren't the hacked ones, they're sold that way.

I'll go straight to the website and you can see all the the uh stats I showed you for each of the bikes on the the test portion of the presentation are all right off your website.

Sorry.

I just had one question about the mopeds.

I don't know if you can put the slide by certain um yeah, this one here.

So um the one on top is similar to the type of mopeds I was writing, you know, way way back when in in the days and and those have pedals, I mean, so um um you know, because that's the name moped, right?

You know, pedals so uh so the the what makes it a moped is really because it's um uh it works with a gas versus electric because uh because that at least in Europe there are some mopeds like this that are electric.

Um we are still considered as moped, so because of a uh of the speed and yeah, so the vehicle code, depending on the the decade that the technology came in to be um popular, I guess we'd say in the culture, that decade of legislature is the one that addresses it, and so they have to come up with a definition.

In this case, the moped definition has changed because now we have a new style of moped.

Uh the top uh section you can see it says that it's limited to four gross brake horsepower, and it can do um not more than 30.

And then after that we come up with the electric one, and the electric one says that they don't have to have pedals on it, um, but it's still limited by the same um power.

Um so the vehicle code will change as technology changes, it's usually gonna be a little bit behind, and uh some of the conflicting um power uh requirements as you go across the devices is due to the different uh decades that the devices came into play.

Um but to answer your question, yes, your traditional moped is gas, and that has to have operable metals in order to still be called a moped, otherwise, if they take the pedals off, which is very easy on a moped, it now becomes a motor-driven cycle.

And do you need uh a registration in California?

You have to have an M1 or two.

You have to have the helmet and you have to have D and D registration.

You have to have a motorcycle license.

That M1 is the license.

Thank you.

Yeah, sorry.

I've heard that uh you guys do education at schools.

Yes.

Okay, how effective are they?

I mean, do the kids do the kids get any sort of material that they get to bring home so that they, you know, I mean, how effective have they been is education to the kids so they don't know what they're doing?

Uh I I can answer that one.

So we don't have I I don't have statistics with me to really quantify how successful it's been.

I think it's just like any other uh educational campaign we try to do with the kids, you'd always tell them not to use drugs, and some of them do, and some of them don't.

Um, but they to answer your question, we we do have um brochures that the the school has been distributing, the school district has been distributing.

So the parents also use it.

Yes, copy.

Yes, yeah.

One more yeah, so I I was the one who has a question about the the changes in in uh Los Altas.

Oh, yes.

And um my concern there is really um because I I live in Mountain View, but you know, my um my neighborhood goes to school in Los Altos where Papa de los Sato is it's school district, we go to Los Altos uh high school.

Um it worries me every time there is a difference between uh you know codes, especially affecting kids, right?

Uh, between the two cities because you know um if I go, you know, we have lots of kids who go across the boulders uh to go to school or or or just navigating, and and that's you know, uh I mean it's really not great if there is one set of enforcements, you know, on one side of the border and another one on the other side.

Uh one one example uh Alec to codes um is that a Springer used to have two different uh speed limits.

Uh one on Velo Saltos side it was 25 miles an hour, on Montague it was 35.

That was a nightmare.

Uh they finally agreed to put it to 30.

Uh but you know that that's a type of you know things where you know you may have a kid from Mountain View knowing you know the code on how it's in false in Mountain View and getting um getting untrapped in a way in Los Santos.

So I I don't know if you plan to to work with Rosaltos to to do this because I think it could benefit all kids.

So I can answer that enough.

I asked part of the next question.

So I believe the controversy in Los Altos is um you know uh just uh hearsay in the number of complaints, and it wasn't well documented.

What uh after education, I believe the city council realized that there are sufficient laws that enforce all of it, which we just heard about.

The only thing they were really missing is sidewalk ordinances in Los Altos.

Mountain view already has sidewalk ordinances.

Bikes uh are allowed on sidewalks except where prohibited.

Mountain view has prohibited them downtown, and I believe Los Altos wants to take a similar approach and will eventually enact um and sign for no bikes on sidewalks downtown.

So I think as far as electric bikes and mopeds and bicycles, the ordinances are all the same, and they didn't change or modify any in the state or county codes.

But that really leads to my question, which is um do we document for the public uh complaints and enforcement actions on e-bikes in any way?

Uh currently no include that on our dashboard that we have available for public view.

Yeah, I guess if it seems to be uh growing category, maybe that's worth separating and uh both for complaints and enforcement actions.

But um my next question was also how would you like the public to uh raise which which uh medias or vehicles uh complaints about e-bikes?

Uh there's a variety of ways that you can report incidents to police.

You can do it through uh the city website.

Um if you submit a you can call this a traffic related complaint.

Uh yeah, ask Mountain View.

Uh that will be directed uh to me uh and my unit.

Uh or you can call if you believe there's an immediate public safety issue.

You can call our non-emergency line, uh, which I can uh tell you the phone number is uh 6509036344 is our non-emergency line, or if you believe like you know, somebody is uh riding recklessly and and it's an emergency, you can also call 911.

So variety of ways.

And my contact information was provided as well if it's something that is not urgent, uh, and uh you can report uh via email.

Uh I'm open to that as well.

Thank you.

Um yeah, and I guess I asked the question about the boulder, and what I noticed is their template on discussing a serious bicycle or pedestrian traffic collision.

Um seems they seem to have a template that added, you know, the police department's working cooperatively in vision zero and such language.

Um if we wanted to pursue something like that, um to uh you know have templates for you know eventual, assuming there will be one where there's a serious injury or death, um highlighting the initiative is how would we you know collaborate and cooperate to to implement something like that?

Yeah, so that post that you sent over was in response to uh an incident, a traffic incident that Boulder was dealing with.

Uh we do issue press releases uh following uh a variety of incidents that may happen in our city.

Um, but I would say if it's going to be specifically related to Vision Zero because this is a uh transportation initiative, I the initial posts should come from uh the transportation division, and it's something that we can collaborate with them on.

I guess what I was saying for police department press releases um on high injury quarters like a Caminour, etc.

It would seem that just reminding the public that there is an initiative, the police department's cooperating on it as Boulder did.

I assume the you know the police department issues the press release before I mean the planning department usually doesn't.

Um is that's how would we work together to accomplish something like that?

Yeah, uh we have a um a public information officer that handles all of our social media and all of our press releases, so that's something uh if you have some ideas, uh I'm happy to present them to her and uh see what we could do.

But it would be something that would go through our uh public information officer.

Yeah, because I thought that was interesting and good.

You know, kind of leading, it was the only municipality I have seen that.

Yeah, and I also they also seem to be quite equated, and you know, they weren't uh they were sticking to the facts, they weren't calling it an accident because they didn't know it was an accident, they were just presenting what happened at that stage, and I thought that was just uh skillful approach.

So um thanks for the answer.

I'll try to follow up with that.

Yeah, and we we do our social media uh does have several posts on there related to traffic safety.

Not sure if anybody follows, but yeah, give us a follow and we can like and subscribe.

We're interested in the press release because the focus on incidents is when people think about things, right?

And so that's um I think the key.

Okay.

Um I think for the presentation.

Thank you for having us.

I'm sorry, just there is another one, okay?

Sorry, sorry, this is what I'm on my head.

Um, yeah, you said on Castro Street, uh you guys were doing something on the weekdays, right?

So that's a so now on the weekends it's not being done or it's not being done.

Um because a lot of people uh we have you know, initially our downtown details started I think two holiday seasons ago because there was an increase in auto burglaries downtown during the holidays, and so we started this special assignment of having officers patrol during uh the high peak times that we were uh seeing crimes being reported.

And it just it evolved into a really successful uh program, and we've kept it, and we've kept officers downtown during uh our weekday times.

Okay, so on the weekend.

I'm sorry, yeah, more overlap on the weekend.

Yeah, so weekend seems to be you know pretty busy, and I see a lot of kids uh you know, a lot of ride bicycle riding in with little baby kids, and then they just they go all over the place, and I guess it's considered.

Yeah.

So on that note, so the resolution that uh was adopted uh during the pandemic that uh prohibited uh bicycle riding, scooters, and all that downtown is actually uh exempt for children uh under 10.

So that's part of our cleanup.

Okay, so I think that concludes the clarifying questions of the presentation.

We have um opportunity for public comment.

Are there any members of public in the room wishing to make comments on this item?

Seeing none going to Zoom.

We have two people on Zoom with hands raised.

Um Henry Whitfield, I have unmuted you.

Give me one yeah, can you hear me?

Yeah, we can hear you.

Okay, great.

I was very impressed.

This is um much more than I expected.

Um my comments relate more to mixed-use trails, okay.

And I have for years bicycled um actually for a time with my wife on shoreline uh on uh Stevens Creek Trail, which is you know, a very, very popular as you know, mixed-use trail.

Used to be you could see families with little kids riding their bikes, um, and then it just got overrun.

I mean, it is completely overrun.

I was out there today taking a walk, and because my I can't bike right now because I have a foreign tendency.

But anyway, um I mean I would say at least 50% of the bikes going by and especially the e-bikes were in excess of the 15 uh mile per hour speed limit.

So I made I sent a a note to Brian with some good background, it's it's worth reading.

I think for the police department, I did you know, I spent the time to put it together.

But I think it's um there were some really good ideas that um and I really think it's not uh you you you're focusing on education with the kids, which is great, but honestly, it's a lot of the adults, and a lot of the adults in my experience have attitude about this.

They just think that you know we're bikers and don't mess with us, and so it's gotten to the point that there are no more kids on Stevens Creek Trail.

Uh my wife will no longer ride.

We're putting her her bike on next door.

Um, and I don't feel safe.

Uh it's just gotten really crazy.

And I there's some simple things you can do.

I mean, I think part of the education part with with the adults is to highlight their personal liability if they hurt somebody, right?

Now I speak from experience.

I was clipped on Stephen Street from behind because a guy was on the bridge over Moffitt, and there was a couple coming, and uh and I was on the going, they were coming my way and they were good.

I was going the other way, and this guy couldn't wait, and he flew through and he clipped my handlebars.

I had to be triaged at Stanford.

I didn't report the accident, but I wish I did.

So I think you need to do radar guns out there, have an officer and let the word get out that hey, if you speed, you're gonna get a ticket and do that uh, you know, at random times for about a month, and I think you have the problem solved, but I also think you need to post signs.

It emphasized the personal liability that these bikers have.

Okay.

So I appreciate that you're doing enforcement, but I think you need to ramp it up because people don't take this seriously.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we have Bruce England who has raised his hand.

Bruce.

Hi.

Uh you hear me okay?

Yes.

Great.

Uh Bruce England, Wisman Station Drive, and a former member of BPAC myself, and the reason I mentioned that is a couple comments I have that go back to my days serving on BPAC.

So when um we were talking about the sidewalk ordinances, it was very difficult that we had to go through the process twice because we couldn't make our first pass um uh work or others in the city um decision makers.

So we had to you know do it again.

But even what we came up with was difficult because we knew that there were gonna be all kinds of new devices.

We had what we were looking at at the time.

It's like 2017 or so, I guess, 2016, 2017.

And you know, we could see the writing on the wall, and yeah, expecting that people in Moundview are gonna look at the codes and really pay attention to what differentiates one bike from another is is asking an awful lot.

And also kids will be kids and kids want the exciting adventure.

I I get that I wrote a moped myself when I was younger.

So I don't know what the solution is except for education, you know.

Um working with the kids to help them understand that they could be responsible for a bad accident or an injury or something like that.

As we are gearing towards the active transportation plan, we want to encourage more and more people to get out and walk and bike, and as Henry was pointing out a moment ago, um, people aren't gonna do it if they don't feel safe on the roads and on the trails.

And as Henry was pointing out a moment ago, um, people aren't gonna do it if they don't feel safe on the roads and on the trails.

So anecdotally, I'm seeing a lot more what I consider misuse of such bikes on sidewalks and even around other people.

Um and I I guess you know, again, the education the putting it on enforcement is difficult because then it just puts the police in the uh um position of having to monitor people moving about in the city.

I'm sure they don't like to do that, and people don't like to be ticketed or anything like that.

So it's um I guess it really comes down to the education.

So um there's something else that I wanted to say.

Oh, yes, yes, Lorena.

So I had an email exchange with you about how people can report on Ask Mountain View about issues related to the police.

So I think where we left off was it depends, and you won't necessarily get a response through Ask Mountain View, even though the police department is in there as a category.

And I have several instances like that where there are open tickets in the system that aren't being responded to, and I don't think that should be on the people in Mountain View to try to figure out whether Ask Mountain View is gonna work for police matters or not.

We of advocates in the community work very hard to get the near-miss collisions built into the system, and we really would like all of those tickets to be responded to.

Not sure what the solution is there, but I'm just bringing it up with you again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next I have April Webster.

Hi, thank you uh for the opportunity to speak tonight.

Uh I wanted to comment on a few things.

Um the first was on reporting, and I'm not sure if this is I joined um the conversation a little bit late near the end of the presentation.

But I'm I'm looking at the and I have looked before at the transparency dashboard that's available.

And it's hard that there's traffic data and traffic collisions, but it's hard to I I don't see anything specific for bicycling or pedestrian, and those are the people who are usually the most vulnerable on the street, and it would be great to see data broken down um at a more granular level to see those types of collisions and even just the primary um the most uh primary collision factor when I'm looking through, um there are four categories, one of which five categories, which two of one is unknown and one is undetermined.

You know, that you're looking at three categories of unsafe speed, wrong side of the roadway, failure to stop, and that at that level of detail, it's really difficult to tease.

I I've done a lot of my whole career's been data analysis.

It's really hard to tease apart what's going on, um, just because you only have the three categories.

It could be broken down, I think, much more is much more d detail.

And then also just being able to access spatiotemporal data as well.

Um you have it's very, very high level at this point.

And so making that available, I I have pulled um, you know, shape files and other data on uh crime data um from other jurisdictions in the past, and um it would be great if we could make that available.

Um I wanted to ask about or just comment on enforcement as well.

Uh I know sometimes what we've done in the past is um uh to do instead of traffic calming, we put up signs um indicating what your current speed is and what the speed limit should be um on areas where residents have made a report that people are traveling too fast.

But those often don't deter people.

Um people see it and note it, but don't actually do anything about it.

It doesn't actually it doesn't change behavior and if you don't pair it with some sort of enforcement, it's it's really just it comes down to a waste of taxpayer money because it's not impactful.

Um and so it would be really great to see something going on there um to pair if you're going to go that route instead of using something that has been proven through research in the transportation world to be more impactful, like making changes through design to slow people down.

If you want to go the route of um uh speed, you know, having those speed signs, you need to pair it with enforcement, I think.

Um and then in terms of reporting things, Bruce brought this up, but our the way we have you can send in um input right now, it's not user-friendly.

You have to go through a number of steps, and it makes it challenging.

And finally, I just want to talk about ECR and bike lanes.

I've there's been no enforcement really of cars parking in lanes.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Um next we have Deb Henningson.

Can you hear us?

Hi, yes.

Thank you.

Can you hear me okay?

Yes.

Awesome.

Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak.

Um, and I'm gonna make a comment and then he has a question.

Um and so my comment is kind of echoes what Bruce was saying about education for the children um and their parents, but really what uh the dangers that I see every day when I'm biking alongside my daughter or on the Stephen's Creek Trail on the way to what I'm doing in the morning.

Um I hate to be ageist about it, but it is high school boys on overpowered e-bikes, and they ride in the bike lane and they behave like terrible citizens.

And okay, fine, some of that is to be expected from the stereotype of high school boys.

But I also think, as Bruce was saying, they just don't know.

And I think our the presenter mentioned as well.

They just don't know what the rules of the road are.

And I appreciate that um the city has done things like bike rodeos at the middle school to help uh educate middle schoolers on regular bike safety.

But I think now that we see these strong um indications of where these e-bike trends and the safety trends related to e-bike use is going, that a coordinated and focused campaign at the high schools, Mountain View High School, Los Altos High School, um, is really important because I just see all kinds of terrible behaviors every day with kids on these e-bikes, passing other kids that are riding regular bikes on the right in the bike lane, and uh two kids on a bike, no one's wearing on an e-bike, no one's wearing a helmet.

Kid on an e-bike, towing a kid on a regular bike, none of them are wearing helmets.

I mean, I see this every day.

So, yes, please educate the children um and get the schools involved in the same.

Thank you.

Um and then over to my husband who had a question.

Yes, hello.

Um my question is going back to electric skateboards on the Stevens Creek Trail.

Um, and now that the one year test period is over, I couldn't quite tell whether you were saying that skateboards are now allowed or are no longer allowed on the trail.

Uh sorry, electric skateboards.

I'd love to hear uh a bit of a clarification on that.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

And his name is Ben Levitt, just for the record.

Thank you.

And we have one last speaker, Jesse Cup.

Okay, hold on.

Uh yeah, so this is Jesse.

I think some of you know me.

Um I had a question um that maybe the officers there will be able to answer about the um on one of the slides there was a question about uh construction vehicles blocking the bike lanes.

Um are permits required, and the answer was like yes, promotes are required.

And I'm like, of course, permits are required.

Um do those permits allow them to block the bike.

That wasn't um I've seen that uh on the L Community and reported it, and you have like a big cherry picker or something parking the bike.

Like, okay, that's a clearly marked sign that says no parking anytime.

It doesn't say like unless you're an Uber or a Lyft or a construction vehicle.

It just says no parking.

But so should I continue reporting?

Um because I do run into that a lot.

And uh it would be nice to have maybe a shortcut to report that rather than scroll the ask Mountain View tree that um people tend to not know about or give up on.

I think like one in ten times I intend to report something I don't like that's gonna be a hassle.

Um that also happens frequently on middle field with the and um not as bad now, but I've seen that on California and the new protected bike lanes there.

I think the people who live in California are getting more used to it, but they're still parking in the striped off areas that are meant to uh provide a clear line of sight.

So that makes me nervous about getting hit when I'm going across uh through the protected bike lane and across a curb cut and cars can't see me.

Sometimes they turn out pretty quickly.

That's happened once or with like almost already.

So hopefully those will be fixed in the permanent version.

Um then the PD also mentioned that there's gonna be five new bike cards.

So that's awesome.

Um and I want to ask will they ride in the protected bike lanes on California and El Camino.

Um just because it's once the bike lanes closed off like that, and you can't easily go out into the through lane to get around obstacles becomes even more important uh to keep the bike lane clear.

Um the obstacles in the bike lane just are more dangerous when it's protected bike lane.

That's what it's my experience with them.

I see shopping carts or if there's a car parked there or Uber or Lyft or Amazon trucks delivering.

Um if I report those, you know, 90% of the time, uh the car is gone before the cops get there because they're just you know stopping for five minutes or whatever to do delivery.

It's still illegal, but the cops don't catch.

So I want to see those bike cops riding up and down the protected bike lanes and issuing citations as they go.

Right.

Thank you.

No more.

Okay, so concluding public comments on the police department.

Uh I think we can be quick and wrap through committee comments.

If we could boop our comments together and I'll call on one person at a time and not come back because that might speed us along a little bit.

So I'll go ahead and open while you combine your comments.

Um couple comments on uh questions that were answered.

So I believe you do have to have a permit in construction to close a lane.

It's usually quicker to go to code enforcement than the police department to have them uh report if it's an ongoing construction project site to advise a contractor that they need to have proper signage, uh bike lane closed ahead, bikes may use full lane, etc.

Um, I think it's also in some cities, I'm not sure about Mountain View, but uh certain delivery vehicles can park in the lane of traffic.

I know that's what UPS is now doing on El Camino.

Um it seems very effective and keeps the bike lane open.

Uh other vehicles are choosing the bike lane, which is prohibited.

So you know, they're advised to use the private space, the parking lots.

Um, but I think certain cities allow delivery vehicles to stop in the line of traffic at certain conditions.

Um there are options for not stopping at the bike lane.

Um speaking of e-bikes, so I I uh taught last year at um I'm in Lautridge in high school.

We had a staff member uh killed on their e-bike uh about two days before the end of school.

Um he was also uh an assistant uh coach for the freshman football team in that category that is most uh likely to violate uh logical e-bike.

So I think you know uh they got the message, uh unfortunately.

Um it was a very uh traumatic incident.

Um but uh you know, getting word out uh helps.

And I know midpen does use radar guns and does write tickets for e-bikes and lack of helmets.

Um I'm not sure uh jurisdiction on the police department covering Stevens Creek Trail.

Um, but that would be interesting to see because I know um it seems to be fairly effective at controlling speeds on their trails and uh um with e-bikes and mountain bikes.

Um thank you.

Okay, other committee comments?

I can go.

Thank you.

Um first of just the quick clarification from the public comments.

So currently are people allowed to use electric skateboards on the Seam Street Trail.

So I'm I'm not familiar with the exact one-year pilot or whatever that was mentioned.

There's I have not been able to find an update.

Right now, in theory, are people not allowed to use electric skateboards on the Steam Street?

Well, verbiage was that they were allowed for a one-year uh study period.

I have not seen anything reporting.

And that one year study period is passed.

I haven't seen anything revoking it.

So I don't know.

When I went through all the codes, I have nothing updating that.

Okay.

We don't know the start data, unless we don't know the end days.

That's right.

Um, then in general, uh, with regards to the e-bike stuff, I yeah, I think it this information sounds like what I expected to hear, which is good and bad.

Um at least means I wasn't surprised.

It's good to hear that um you're doing education on this stuff.

Um I do like seeing more people able to get around without a car, which means I like seeing e-bikes, but I also do want to make sure we're not having people basically riding motorcycles about or operating them grossly and safely.

Um, and with that, I it sounds like currently enforcement is being focused on people behaving egregiously, um, which is consistent with what I would hope to hear.

I know that like when I was in high school, it was there's definitely a degree of like, well, I don't want to mistrust like the PD because I'm worried that they're going to start ticketing kids because they roll through a stop sign at three miles an hour on a bike.

Um, and I don't want people to end up with that attitude towards the police department, but also I want there to be clear enforcements about people like violating things egregiously.

That sounds roughly consistent with what's being done now, and I hope that's the direction things continue to go or do go.

Um non-e-bike things, uh I do continue to collect the transparency dashboard.

I think a bit to April Webster's comments.

I do also like if there are good ways to for people to query that data um sort of programmatically.

I don't know that we have that right now.

I think when that originally got presented, some of us requested that at some point in the future.

We'd still love to see that since we do have people who I know would query members of the public might know would make use of it.

And I do I think one of the um BPAC members brought up having um e-bike related information in the transparency dashboard.

I think that would be helpful to see so we can get a sense of like is this something that is a small but noisy issue in terms of number of complaints.

Is this a something that is everywhere and have some slightly more objective sense than then just what we're anecdotally?

Um presumably rely a bit on anecdotes.

And I will I think reiterate some of the comments about cars being parked in the bike lanes on some of these, or in uh to uh Jesse Cup's comments about um like in illegal spots aren't in the bike lanes, but maybe like blocking sight lines on some of the new uh bike lanes on Al Camino in um California, and I hope to I know it's always I mean it's not the most exciting thing to enforce, I'm sure, but I that that those do form real safety issues, and so I look forward to I I hope those will be able to be enforced, and I look forward to having uh uh more of our police department going around on bicycles.

So and and thank you both for giving this update.

Thank you, James.

Sure, I'll try to group everything.

So uh so on on VE bike, uh I uh I appreciate the education and so on.

Uh uh I mean I and maybe I'm mistaken, but it it seems to me that the education has to do more about um how to handle the e-bike than on the the rule of the roads type of thing.

So and that and I think uh a lot of times, you know, uh I think kids don't don't know, you know, uh you know they they wind up in traffic at at a pretty high speed and they don't know you know they don't have a code because they don't have uh they're probably not even in edge to to get their permits learners permits or things like this.

So uh my suggestion would be to try to do something like uh like a uh rule of the roads kind of lights.

I mean, maybe like the uh CT, you know, kind of uh e-bike riding license or something like this.

Like, you know, not not you know, not on official things, but something that would you know uh get you know the basics, you know.

You stop here, you you know, you you you cannot impede, you know, uh you know, uh you cannot encroach or or you know, the the type of things that they just don't know.

Um I think there were some comments about um uh Steven's Creek and Trail and I think that's definitely becoming an issue uh of that's it's just for bikes, really and and uh and and and bikes going fast.

I mean, I I wrote it this morning and I I was most clipped a few times, and I'm and I'm writing for for for exercise, so I'm not writing very slow necessarily, and and and people just don't care.

And these are not kids, I mean these are you know tech bros going to work, so uh you know uh and and they just don't show any respect.

So uh uh that's for this.

And then uh due to my point earlier about Los Altos, I think it's uh whatever they've done, you know, uh you know, make sure that you're in sync with what we've done because we have kids going in between, and and we don't want them to be untrapped into oh, but MVPD told us it was okay, and and you know, and then uh being high about that.

So, but but thanks for um sharing all that information that was definitely useful.

So thank you.

Member Stone, any comments?

Uh I guess yeah, dash downloading from the dashboard, I think we've mentioned this before definitely would be useful.

Uh like if we uh shape files and stuff sometimes.

Uh and yeah, in general, yeah, we want more people out on whatever micro mobility uh device happens, it just makes sure that they're doing it in a safe way.

And uh what you're doing.

That's why yeah, just uh very quick.

Um I know the education is very important to me too.

I think uh I'm not sure whether you guys do this, but the ordinances, what the ordinances are to the kids when they're you know when they're giving them education, and so you know, even the California vehicle code and then the Mountain View code, you know, what so that they have some sort of like an idea of uh what they need to follow.

And they do.

I think Mountain View does have a local bicycle code, right?

That they have to follow.

And so if the education, I'm probably you guys already do this, but if education contains that and the brochure brochure also, you know, goes to the parents with that information.

Thank you.

Um sorry, I don't work anyway.

You say about bikes you don't want.

Do you have one you recommend?

Start again.

There's a dry run.

All right.

Sorry about that.

We good?

Okay.

Okay.

So quick introductions again.

My name is Alison Boyer.

I am the assistant public works director for the Transportation and Business Services.

I have with me today, Ben Pache, who is our acting transportation manager, and Priori Amin, who is our transportation planner for the project.

Segments A and C are included in the study we are discussing tonight.

And this was funded with 2016 VTA Measure B funds.

Okay, go on next slide.

And then just quickly some background.

Last year we kicked off the study with data collection and outreach round one.

Since then, we have completed preliminary concept design, data analysis, outreach round two, and have developed a preferred alternative.

Today we are here to receive your feedback on the preferred alternative, and we will be taking this to CTC on Tuesday for their feedback as well.

Based on BPAC and CTC's feedback, we will bring the final report to council in fall of 2025 for approval.

With that, I'm gonna pass it off to Brady.

Thank you, everyone.

This is Pirati Ahmed, and I will uh go through the rest of the presentation.

So a little bit of the background for this study.

The goal of the study is to improve safety, accessibility, and connectivity, and increased trans active transportation options along this corridor, which supports cities Vision Zero policy, which aims to achieve zero fatal collision by 2030, and City's Safe Ross to School Program since this corridor provides access to St.

Joseph, Graham Middle School, and VOB Elementary School.

We kicked off the study last fall with Outreach Round One and Data Collection.

For outreach round one, we conducted bike and walk audit, interactive map survey, and uh hosted an open house.

And through the outreach, we received valuable feedback and improvement ideas for this area.

In parallel, we also conducted a thorough data collection, which included traffic counts, speed analysis, traffic collisions, parking counts, and field observation.

Based on the data analysis, staff kicked off outreach round two during the summer.

During this round, staff sought feedback on parking room proposed parking removal, lane reduction from two travel lane to one travel lane, and bicycle and pedestrian facilities along this corridor.

For outreach round two, we have taken these elements for public feedback.

Public outreach events included we host we had a citywide survey, pop-ups at nearby schools, and for notification for outreach, we had done, we had sent postcards to residents, car flyer, yard sign, light pool fly, uh light pole flyers, and social media post.

Through the outreach, we heard support for protected bikeways and pedestrian safety features.

In the survey that is still open, the results shows over 55% support for the plan, an additional 19% with support more protected bikeway.

Of the respondents that were no are not sure, responded that preserving lien would be the reason of not supporting it.

One key element of this plan is on-street parking removal proposal, which is based on seven-day data collection over different time around the clock, and proposed parking and this proposed parking removal map was shared for feedback with nearby schools and corridor residents.

This map includes three yellow circles that you see on the screen where it shows major where majority of the parking is removed.

As you can see, majority of the parking is removed on the west side of the street where we found minimal parking demand and more parking demand was east side due to multifamily homes.

The second element of the preferred alternative is travel lane reduction from two lane to one lane.

This proposal is based on low traffic volume and delay along this corridor.

The analysis was done through using highway capacity manual 2000 methodology.

Approximately for parking removal feedback, we found that through our survey, approximately 64% of survey respondents supported proposed parking and additional parking removal.

Survey respondents also identified additional treatments which include new and improved pedestrian crossings, traffic calming measures, and increased street tree landscaping and improved street lighting.

This plan includes these elements through mid-block crossing with the rectangle rapid flashing beacon signs, traffic calming measure through travel lane reduction and barrier and parking protected bikeway.

This plan also reserves space for green street for future funding if future funding becomes available.

Now to the preferred concept plan.

So as you can see, this section goes from El Camino to south of Park Drive, where you can see on the west side of the street is class four barrier protected bikeway, and majority of the side of the street has parking protected bikeway.

We also have mid-block crossing at Park Drive with RRFB and Green Dash line through the conflict zones.

Similar configuration, majority of this area has class four barrier protected bikeway, and the other side has parking protected bikeway with high visibility crossing at Sonia and mid-block crossing with RRFB at Trophy and Green Dash line through the conflict zones.

So this one shows 11 for travel lane where buffer and by bike lane with vary as design uh goes on for this study.

Similar to here, this goes from park drive to Sonia and uh vehicle lane will be um 11 feet with buffer and bike lane to vary and will be determined during design phase.

The last stretch is from trophy to castor uh from Rinkin to Castro, and this one also shows um vehicle lane to be 11 feet and buffer and bike lane to be determined at the design phase.

Um an alternative to consider where we'll be keeping where uh it will be preserving uh more parking spaces by keeping the existing bike lane configuration.

So the bike lane will be along the curb.

Uh so there will be parking along the curb, bike lane next to it, buffer, and then travel lane.

The trade-off here is that this configuration will preserve eight existing parking spaces compared to the preferred alternative.

Uh, but but it will increase conflict points between drivers and bicyclists.

The safer option would be to have it as a parking protected bikeway.

And according to FHWA, Federal Highway Administration, uh Protected Bikeway will reduce vehicle to bike conflict by 53%, which is shown in the previous slide.

So here we are.

Today we are receiving your feedback.

Um, as Alison mentioned earlier, we will be going to CTC next week.

And uh based on your feedback today and CTC, we'll be bringing the final report to council in fall of this year.

And this will be ready for design by end of the year.

Um, so the recommendation is review and recommend the preferred alternative concept for Miramonte Avenue complete street study from El Camino to Castro slash Maryland Street to City Transportation Committee.

All done.

Okay, thank you.

Um that concludes the presentation.

So we move next to committee clarifying questions.

Um would anyone like to kick off with some questions about the presentation.

Um, first of all, thanks for answering all the questions that we had asked ahead on that.

I may go back to one or two, but uh but my first question is um you mentioned that we have to pick the preferred alternative, but I don't think we've been shown anything but one alternative.

So uh in in the packets, so I I don't know if you could maybe spend more time on ones.

So the two alternatives are a parking protected bike lane on that west side or parking along the curb.

As a reminder, this project is budgeted as part of our paving projects, right?

So the adopted budget for this project is tied to our paving budget.

So the scope for this was predominantly a striping and paving project.

So the the west side would be the right side on this.

Yes, I'm sorry.

Yeah, it's very on the right side of the right side of your screen.

Yes, that is correct.

It's always basically northbound travel.

Yeah.

And it would be only from hospital drive to Marin Castro, and then it would switch, I guess.

And then it goes, there's not um parking.

Yeah, then it will switch to parking protected.

Parking then it would switch to parking protected.

Yes.

Yes.

I guess that's Sonya or it will switch back in harpster.

I can I can pull this one up.

So it is true for you, Incan.

Did I go too far?

Harster.

Yeah, it will switch between harster and Sonia.

Like along here.

So that this will remain the same.

Okay.

Yeah, so it will pick up going towards Sonya, as you can see.

That's just there's not parking there, that's just driveway.

The space from hamster to Sonya on going northbound.

Or am I turned around now?

They're they're going this way, and then I take the right.

And then when it is cross once it's one, yeah, once it is cross-sony.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um along here, you'll be parking protected.

And park.

And then I had another question that's a follow-up from the questions I asked.

I had noticed that some um some streets, you know, that are across streets essentially of Miramonte.

Some of them have marked crossings, others don't.

And that I understand that you you should only the ray markings of the one that had markings, but it doesn't answer my question, which is why is it that we have marked crosswalks and not marked crosswalks?

I mean, I uh in general, it would be nice to be consistent, but it's yeah, so there's specific guidelines for when to mark and unmark a crosswalk, and we'll continue to follow those as we move into design.

Um I mean in this case the streets were exactly the same.

I mean, I I don't know.

It's I'm just curious.

Yeah, we have to so the um M U T C D has guidance as well as the California vehicle code for when to mark a crosswalk.

So that will all be followed during the design phase.

I mean, right now we're following the code as as we understand it and as it was designed at the time, and as we move with the traffic engineer, stamping and signing the plans, they will.

Upgrade to the latest plan.

Yes, we will follow, yeah, we will make sure that all from where I sit, I see no reason.

Yes, not rather reason.

So I have more questions, but I I want to show the phone, so you um questions basically it's the same this the new one that you well the one is basically the one on like California for the parking protected bike, is that what the question?

Yes, it would follow a similar pattern.

Oh the other side would be the barrier protected that you see a little bit on El Camino.

Yeah.

How do you how are you guys gonna say if you know if the council asks you about, you know, I just got an email about uh about someone making a left turn and then that kind of an accident might happen.

I mean and it's possible because it there's a blockage view or the other side of the car coming from uh from a driveway from the old house, you know, and then the it's so close to the bicycle.

I mean, how are you guys gonna explain that or just a matter of uh matter of time goes on and seeing what to do as the time goes on?

Yeah, I mean, some of it is there's medians through uh Miramonty, so it would be hard to do a left turn.

I'm not specific I'm not as familiar with the the email you just saw, so um, I don't I can't speak to that case specifically, but you'll notice that Miramonti has a median that whole way, so traffic will have to turn right, not left.

So that's good in that sense.

Um as far as crossing driveways, um one of the things that Priody noted was that we would keep eight parking stalls if we were to do the parking next to the curb versus away from the curb, right?

And part of that is because we have to allow for sight distance.

So you lose parking so that people can see around.

Um a lot of it is going to be learned.

Like right next to the driveway.

Driveways.

So you'll see how there's just more space unless not on this, it would be farther down, right?

On the like for this driveway, do you where is my mouse?

Uh but any driveways.

Like this driveway, you'll see if if there wasn't any, there would be more parking, but we are taking it off.

And I think as you go to design, you'll see more kind of a clear distance that you need to see on the side to turn right.

Yeah, because the the existing condition is it's two lanes.

Yes with parking, so visibility is very bad.

Yeah.

If you're trying to come up because you have five feet over the hood of the car or whatever visibility, so it's substantially increased in your so I think that you know again, it's education of how the flow works, but in general, you have long sight lines with this design.

That is the intent, and as Purity mentioned, the the HWA does say that that is a safer condition for collisions and bicyclists, leading us back to our vision zero, right?

That is what we're we're looking for, and that's what's leading us.

Yeah.

Um first this is very fair.

No, actually, I've been strong opinion yet on this, but I did do want to make sure I understand.

So there are, as part of this project, it started because it just restrict me, there's not like meant to be major intersection adjustments.

Is the reason that uh I asked them the clarifying questions about why there weren't any changes to the lane configurations at sort of the Maryland Castro and Marimonte intersection?

Um is I don't I don't know what we would choose for the lane configuration there if we were starting this whole project from scratch, but it will, but it does all it does look a bit odd to have that like widen out to a bunch of lanes and then narrow off again immediately after.

Is that specifically because like the traffic signals themselves mean it would be awkward to have any other lane configuration, or is this just pure inertia?

Um just speaking this area, yeah.

Like that yeah, well, yeah, that I look at that, that looks a bit it looks a bit weird to me to see that, so I I wonder.

So this is us having two projects going at the same time.

Okay.

So this is segment B was in design as we were planning segment A, and we didn't know where they were gonna land with B, so we needed to have something, and as the CIP team moves into design, they will make sure that they coordinate appropriately and we get the right configuration there.

So we might end up with changes to lane configuration for this intersection.

I would say you most definitely will end up with changes to that lane configuration.

Yeah, we don't we don't we are not imagining this to be this long, yeah, you know, okay marching into.

Yeah, it looked a bit weird, I wasn't sure what to make of it.

So okay, that that sounds reasonable.

Um the for uh okay, still on this this part of the map.

So and from earlier, the that's a class two bike lane currently on northbound Marmonte, starting from that intersection.

Is that correct?

Yeah, there is class.

Is there a reason that's class two rather than having vertical elements in the buffer?

Oh, right now in here?

In this in this like design, yeah, right.

That strip has no vertical elements, is my understanding.

We are when when the design team is going to migrate it, we are going to see how early we can put on the vertical element because you're going to have parking protecting.

We are going to have vertical element over here.

So that is that is to come as part of the merge.

So yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

That helps for understanding.

Um, in terms of the parking that does remain in loading zones, right now is so it's just that area in front of that the school that is loading zone.

Was there any particular consideration put towards putting loading zones in other locations?

Or does do have we developed any policies about where we choose to put loading zones for these sorts of things as we restrict parking more?

Not at this phase, our track traffic team um will explore that.

We have different classes for for loading.

Um that area.

Oh, the St.

Joseph Harry Landry.

Isn't it more drop-offs on our I mean I they are using it that way?

That was not how it was intended.

And when we talked to the school, they don't want to encourage that.

They want parents to use the parking lot and not drop off on Miramonti.

They did ask to keep it though for when they do stuff at the parish so that they can unload.

So we did have the conversation with them and try to make sure that we were accommodating their needs, but they they would prefer and we would from a vision zero safe routes to school, prefer that parents are dropping in a parking lot and not on a busy road.

So this this segment doesn't show the loading zone, correct?

Uh it it shows right there next to Sonia.

Um I don't know where am I on.

50 linear feet school loading zone.

Yeah, here.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

So this is okay.

So it would be pulling through the paint protected.

Oh no, no, excuse me, it's the cutoff.

Excuse me.

Yeah, and so that's and that's why it was placed next to their their parish that they said that's where they would rather have that space.

It's for their functional need than student drop off.

loading through that right yeah here okay so this this is okay so it would be pulling through the paint protected no or no no excuse the cut out excuse cutoff is the restrictive yeah and so that's and that's why it was placed next to their their parish that they said that's where they would rather have that space it's for their functional need than student drop off um okay um additional questions um so for uh the the park drive slip lane I know I made some questions about uh the slip lane itself uh this will end up speaking in the comments later I guess does if we were to look at any sort of like closing that slip lane in ways similar to how the like Wasatch drive tier six intersection got closed it through traffic um in the last year or so is that something that would be is that sort of element at all feasible here or is that just a separate project entirely likely a separate project when you are vacating public right away there's a much longer process okay um it doesn't mean it can't be done but it's not really in the timing of this project.

Okay thank you and can you illustrate again where specifically so that's from northbound Mira Monte at the bottom the sort of if you were to go actually keep driving a vehicle straight you end up in the slip lane onto park drive that's the only way to end up turning onto park drive because that other bit is only has a sort of outbound lane in a sense at least right now I don't know if you could accommodate a right turn onto it from there I don't think so I was looking at you don't think you could I'm just I'm not gonna say that affirmatively without I I walked uh like this week and I was like no no it's too narrow.

So yeah and I I don't know how often people accidentally drive straight at speed into that slip lane um that's actually something I was curious about but not sure I have great statistics on it.

Um never seen anybody drive there's traffic no one drives no one drives there so uh then in terms of other questions uh for uh since we're on this view still the other end of park drive I believe at the prior B pack meeting there's some comments about being able to make uh sort of logical lefts from that area onto north down Maramonte is the reason that I mean I assume we're just basically not touching that median as part of this project if we can okay thank you um and with regards to all these sort of right turns at the intersections the clarifying comments said that we were leaving sort of a a a uh merging zone or uh whatever it was referred to as in front of ahead of each intersection basically uh can someone remind me what uh guidance that is based off of sort of how we leave like 50 ish feet I don't know if that's the actual number um in advance of each intersection so people can sort of pull out of the traffic lane merge with the bike lane and then make a right turn um so since this is a concept plan we are really looking into the best practices and the guidance and one of the document that we heavily used is vision zero action plan that was adopted last year which does show kind of um you know delineators to help you know um do road configuration and I know our consultant also took a look into NACTO and ASHO guidelines for these the very these specific details will be will get ironed out more in design this is just showing kind of what the layout will be what is the bike facility on each of the bound of you know of Mira Monte but the dash line the site line those will more to come uh this is really meant to be kind of communicating the parking removal the road diet and the bike facility they'll have a full survey they'll know how exactly you know how wide it is where a lot of this is this is a conceptual but this would be a good opportunity for us to try input on what we think the design sure correct yeah okay um that was answered and then the last one is this is sort of for the well actually uh no this is a comment I'll I'll even put the comment section okay uh verifying question go ahead yeah so I had another vouch I guess I don't know um so um you you you mentioned that's um you know green elements and things like this would be TBDs or or could be different than I understand the the finances and so on but um but you you still present space for it so could you talk about where you foresee it and and what type I mean yeah so the intent was for us not to preclude greening of these streets as is funding or as we determine a policy or how or how that works out.

So anywhere where you see those big buffers we could add greening right that's the intent that that the buffers would instead of being striping and vertical delineators could become greening.

So that wouldn't be trees or things like this it can be.

We yes, you could do all of that, those those greeting projects where you would see the you know curb to curb, assuming you've got the right width for a tree to grow and and you know succeed.

But yes.

Yeah.

And uh another question has to do with um uh the the traffic lights.

I think there is one by uh San Joseph and um I think it's Sonia, and then another one.

Uh so maybe if you can switch to that.

Yeah, we go.

Yeah, this one here.

What do you have information about the the phases of the the light?

I mean, uh or things like this.

And I I don't have that today, but I can we can get back to you on that.

And and could some phases be changed or things like this?

Uh that would all be evaluated during the design.

Uh the reason I'm asking is that you know that seems to be a good candidate to eliminate right on red, um, giving the the low volumes onto and off Sonia and onto the school, uh, and it would make things much safer.

So and I think it's a bit similar, I think, with uh Marilyn and Castro.

Um I mean uh I mean there's hardly any traffic going in and out of Maryland.

It's it's pretty much a dead-end street, really for for cars.

Um you know, that's again would be safer if we didn't have you know the things, and it would not affect traffic much because there's low uh low traffic.

Um then um had two more uh questions that build on the clarifications I had um had.

So um if you can move to the the part closer to El Camino, uh you have a slide, yeah.

This one.

So um there there is kind of a um an access road slash multi-use path uh that that goes into Maramonte or things like this.

Um it I mean, because I I was involved with the neighborhood when the thing there and it was redesigned as an access road, we kind of managed to make it bike accessible by pushing.

Uh but there is a need to to to have trucks and things like this access this for maintenance uh for for delivering hot dogs for the football baseball games and so on.

Uh and it looks like it's not a good thing.

It could be a very actual driveway, but it's uh yeah.

Yeah, we will we will open that.

I I think it will it will uh you'll show that gap.

It's currently we are I think we didn't catch that quite yet.

Yeah, and then I had another uh building on the one of the cla questions I had asked.

Um if you look at the top um, you know, uh that's on park drive, you know, uh at the level of the the parking for the the the baseball fields, you know, the that's there.

Um there is actually right now a a loading uh loading zones and it's really was meant for for the baseball players, you know, parents dropping their kids, and and that was the case even before the flood basin, and it made a lot of sense there because kids could walk straight on the field, uh, but right now they can't uh because you know that's underground.

I mean, so they have to go uh you know all the way there and pretty much wind up where they could have been dropped off in that roundabout uh circle.

Uh so in practice that's not very used.

So um when I asked the question, that was the idea to to switch to make that loading zone on park.

That we should be three for baseball, not not for the the school, uh, to make a parking area uh and then make the loading zone for for for baseball um on Biaramonte because it would hopefully make things safer.

So that that was the intent that so um just wanted to clarify this quick question with the buffer with the buffer there with the green, this is um I'm talking about the road going into the club, I don't even know the street name.

Uh the one going up there is at the park.

So we're having the buffer there, and then with the bike going, is it gonna be easy for the bike to to go on to you know come out of the buffer and go trying to make a left?

Uh are you right here?

Yeah, so you so if it's going down, if you're going to the south, let's go south, and then the car uh the bicycle is trying to go up.

And then there's a lot of buffer there's the next to the green.

Okay, yep, or stop right there.

Yeah.

And then so if they're uh with the with those uh, you know, those paddles, I don't know what those are called, but there if you're trying the bike over there, uh, you know, so that the bike can make a left, having buffers there and having is that is it easy for a bike to make a left?

Um

Yeah.