There we go.

Well, welcome everybody.

Thank you for being here this morning.

My name's Doug Critchfield.

I'm uh with the planning and zoning department.

Uh we're uh sorry for locking you out of the building, but we're glad that you you made it.

So we uh are grateful for the opportunity to bring to you the uh first uh meeting that we have of several meetings for the uh NAMPA twenty fifty comprehensive plan.

We're in the middle of outreach right now, and uh we wanted to give you an update of of where we are with the process, what we've discovered so far, uh what we've been doing.

So I'm gonna turn the time over to uh Miriam McGilbray of uh Logan Simpson.

Uh Logan Simpson is our consultant on this project.

Uh they worked on both the Caldwell and the Meridian uh comprehensive plans.

They're a wonderful firm.

And we'll turn some time over to her and then Bree and I will be back to tell you a little bit about the uh feedback that we received.

Thank you so much.

Good morning.

I'm thrilled to be here again.

Uh today I'm gonna walk through a couple of um kind of complan one oh one, why we've all uh asked you to join us this morning and through the process.

Uh and then we're gonna talk a little bit about the the whole f uh process of updating a comp plan, what to expect over the next year and a half, how we want to get you guys involved, the type of feedback we're hoping that you can help uh in in uh input into this process, and what we've heard already from the public engagement that staff has been doing.

So um it'll stay a little bit high level in terms of my presentation, but if you have any questions about what a comp plan is, why you're here, what we're doing, please this is a a a wonderful opportunity to to learn, and um we want to make sure you leave today with all the answers.

So Nampa 2050 is the next iteration of your comprehensive plan, which is Nampa 2040.

A comprehensive plan is really your primary policy document for the long-range future of your city.

It is the umbrella document for all of your other master plans or other topic specific plans that you might have uh in terms of other policy or or planning initiatives.

Um so it is a very important document.

Um and in terms of uh updating it, you know, it's it's only been about five years um since your last plan was adopted.

Um but best practice is keep it updated.

You've got a lot of residents coming in, uh influx of growth.

Uh we want to hear from those new residents, make sure that their vision for their community aligns with what we have in the plan.

Um and we can make any tweaks in terms of um market changes, uh, you know, what's happening in the city, what's changing, and how we can plan for the future and adapt as as accordingly.

So why up to the update the plan?

Um as I mentioned, you have seen exponential growth recently.

Uh we want to make sure that those new residents have a voice in here too.

Um but growth does present its own challenges.

So this is an opportunity to rethink through some of the approaches, pivot as needed, and make sure that this plan continues to work for your city moving forward.

Of course, state law also requires you to keep it updated.

That's not a good sign.

Here we go.

Okay.

So in terms of how we're approaching the plan, we do have unique branding for this effort.

We are using the city's color scheme, so it is recognizable as a city initiative, but we wanted to make it feel special and unique so that people can visually recognize it on the street and feel like they can get engaged and recognize it.

So we have a main project brand, which is that logo at the top.

We do have a couple of variations of that logo so that we can use it throughout the process, whether we're engaging with people or talking about specific topics, just a couple options, but we wanted to make sure that that brand was recognizable for the community.

So we've broken up the process into three phases.

Phase one is coming to an end this fall, but really is focused on visioning big ideas, getting our footing, getting our foundation about what we're doing and what we're what our planning context is.

Phase two is really where the rubber hits the road or where you are going to be seeing a lot of sausage making.

It's wrestling with hard ideas, new ideas.

We are working through a steering committee and focus group process through the next year in that phase two, which really will be able to have those in-depth conversations with community members so that we can build a plan that works and reflects those values and reflects the market trends.

Phase three goes into plan adoption, pulling it all together, make sure we we've heard and accurately captured what we've heard and discussed throughout the phase one and phase two through adoption.

So overall, it's about almost a two-year process, 18 months really.

So we're kind of wrapping up phase one, and this is really the process where we we talk about those big ideas.

We're calling it a visioning, a visioning engagement process.

Um, and I'm not gonna speak too much about what that visioning engagement looks like because Brianna and Doug are gonna are gonna give you a rundown of what the um the engagement they've done so far over the last few months is.

Um but really um while they're thinking through uh and talking to the public about uh values and and big ideas for their community, um, the consultant team on my side is looking at data, looking at trends, looking at what the context is that we're planning in in today's uh world.

So I'm gonna give you a quick overview of some of the things that we're thinking about in terms of that data and trends context analysis.

But essentially, we're pulling together some really brief data snapshots at a point in time to help frame the conversation, frame the uh have a mutual understanding about where we are as a community.

So, in thinking through what the data says, we are looking at uh historic population, our growth rates, where we might be going into the future.

Uh currently, the estimate estimated population is about 123,000 folks.

Um that is a very steep growth rate right now, as you can see in the chart.

Um, but in all forecasts that we're seeing, uh, that growth is expected to continue in the near future.

We're also looking at the makeup, the breakdown and kind of profile of community residents.

So looking at ages, um, demographics, and what we might be seeing into the future.

So I just want to point out about 60% of your current residents are that core 18 to 64-year-old, you know, core workforce.

You do have a quarter of folks that are under 18, so strong youth population, and then as you're as we're seeing everywhere in the United States, um, the 65 and up populations are also growing.

Oh, I didn't want to pass over that one.

Um, so we are looking a little bit at projections in terms of anticipated growth.

And really, probably no surprise to anyone.

As you continue to kind of build out your own city limits and your community, the opportunity for growth would be greenfield development as we call it, but really largely vacant, undeveloped, or farming operations currently within that impact area.

And some estimates look at possibly increasing or needing a 19,000 more units to both fill in the existing housing shortage, which is about 2,400 according to your last housing needs assessment.

And then with an anticipated population growth or forecast, needing about 16,000 more units to accommodate any new or future populations.

Of course, it all is kind of crystal balling in the future, but thinking in terms of how the community has grown so far and what we might need to plan for in the future.

So in terms of some of the housing statistics that we're looking at, we are looking at kind of the mix of housing units that you currently have, median income, average household value or house home value, excuse me, monthly rents, those kind of uh housing statistics.

We're also looking at where people are coming, um, if they're looking to rent or to buy, we're looking at um kind of the overall trends of housing prices, which um really have have have peaked, I think, over in 2022, but have kind of come back down, and that is a regional phenomenon.

So you guys are seeing those home prices grow just as much as your peers in the Treasure Valley.

So I think they've come back down a little bit and moderated after there was a spike kind of around COVID.

But generally, your your um housing mix is primarily single-family neighborhoods.

Um we are looking at kind of the the permits and what we're seeing in terms of the pipeline of development too.

We have about a a third of the jobs in NAMPA are held by NAMPA residents.

As you can see in this chart, you see a lot of out-commuters and a lot of in-commuters.

So really it's a product of the regional workshed being um you know very well located near Boise in the in the Treasure Valley.

Um, this is not uncommon to see.

I'm not surprised.

Um, but it is something that we're looking at in terms of what that means for NAMPA.

If folks are hoping to uh live and work in NAMPA, what are the um kind of the triggers and and policies we can think about?

Um but this is this is pretty healthy in terms of um kind of that that regional context.

And in thinking about where people are working, um, we are looking at kind of what what the anchors of the economy are currently and how we might want to reinforce that or make sure that we have a resilient economy moving forward in terms of the opportunities that the community uh pursues.

Um but for now we're seeing that health care, retail, manufacturing, logistics, and construction really are the anchor of your your economy right now, um, with the biggest employers being the school district, um, health system, uh, College of Western Idaho, Walmart, um, and St.

Luke's, um, but really it's looking at a total of about $50,000 or 50,000 uh total jobs in NAMPA so far.

So I I know I went through that pretty fast.

I do have some more stats that we're looking at.

Those snapshots will be coming out over the next few weeks, and uh really they're gonna be these short, very graphic kind of pamphlet almost um informational um documents that both the community can use in terms of framing that discussion as Brianna and Doug go out to the community to have those conversations, but also for you for um decision makers for those that steering committee that I mentioned earlier that we're really gonna be workshopping a lot of the content with um in phase two, really just to get everyone on the same page about the context that we're planning in.

So I'm gonna hand it over to Brianna to go through a little bit about the engagement that they've done so far and some of the who we're hearing from and what we're hearing.

Go ahead.

Could we pause could we pause for just a second and see if there are any questions before we move on?

Certainly, yeah.

And then a quick question will you give us a copy of this PowerPoint?

Yes, it was in the um meeting invite.

It is in the meeting invite.

Okay, it was attached to the meeting invite.

But I can send it out, I can send a follow-up after as well.

Thank you.

Are there any questions before we move on?

I see a couple questions.

So I'll let you guys just I'll let you call on people rather than me, but let's go ahead.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

When I talk to people that when I talk to people who just moved to Tampa or been here for a long time, they all say one thing.

Who's gonna close the door behind us?

But we never address that.

We talk about it, but we never addressed should we talk to people and say, hey, this is reality of life, this is growth without growth, we die.

Whatever it is, should we ignore it or should we address it so I plan all through the mountain west, and I'd say the the one of the indicators of a really wonderful place to live is that everyone wants to keep everyone right?

They want to preserve what they've they've moved here for.

Um, and I so I I would say um we need to frame the conversation about how can we preserve the things that you moved here for without um so it's kind of a balance of yes and right instead of no.

Um, but I I agree that that conversation is a very common sentiment, and um part of the reason that we are putting together these data snapshots is to have a very frank conversation about we don't see the growth changing or stopping um in the in the short term right now, um, but this is an opportunity to think through a way that we can make sure that we're growing uh in a way that doesn't compromise uh the values or um what you've moved here to to get.

Does that answer your question?

No, but yeah, it's it's what I'm what I'm asking really is we don't seem to address people who want to come here.

Is this a good reason to come here is because you're the maybe the last one's gonna come in or because we're growing and everybody benefits from that growth.

I mean, I lived in big cities and I lived in small towns, and the the idea that it has to continue to grow is false.

Towns can survive without growing.

But do we tell anybody that no?

We tell them the opposite.

We need new growth, we need new growth.

But then they don't nobody wants to be living here with all the traffic.

I mean, that's the worst thing everybody would talk about is traffic.

What do we do to address the traffic?

Is the police department expanding officers?

Are they training them on traffic control?

What are they doing to help with traffic situation?

There's lots of things we could talk about, but we don't seem to talk about them.

Oh, and I think this is a great opportunity to bring all those those conversations.

I just did.

And exactly.

And we're hoping to have those conversations with the public as well.

Of if growth happens, which we think it might, uh, what are the mid what's the mitigation?

What are the other um other things we need to be thinking about that comes along with growth?

I mentioned growth challenges, right?

Is one of the reasons why we're updating the comprehensive plan.

Um, and so this I do not expect this this next year to be easy.

Those are hard conversations that we need to have.

And I firmly believe that uh the comprehensive plans that I'm involved with are authentically community-based.

So, in terms of uh what the outcome is of those conversations, I do hope that the outcome of the comprehensive plan or this next iteration of it can reflect whether that community wants to see growth or how that that growth can be managed in the future.

Thank you.

I think we had another question.

Yeah, go ahead.

Mine was along the same lines as Steve, but just in your experience, have you seen a community try to impose strategies to slow growth or even put a moratorium on growth and what were the consequences?

Yes.

Um there are a couple of different uh things that uh other communities have tried.

Um it does depend on the location.

So Idaho has specific um restrictions or or uh unique planning guidance than other states potentially.

Um so there are there's some legal framework we have to be cognizant of, but um I will say that a lot of communities that have tried to minimize growth or um stop growth or guide it in only a specific area.

There have been market consequences in terms of increased um housing prices and and kind of so affordability becomes an issue, you know.

If you're if you're restricting the market in terms of supply, there's gonna be an effect, right?

Um but I think that it's a valid uh conversation to have through this process of how far do we might want to go in terms of um either phasing growth or having a more managed approach?

Um so the absolutely conversations, and and we can be start to think maybe creatively about what opportunities we might want to infuse in this process.

Um on your graph that showed the working people leaving, coming and staying.

Um does the staying include people that stay here and work remotely?

Yes, and in other words, they could be working for companies not in NAMPA, but they're working from home.

Correct.

Okay.

So question could we go back to the graphic of the comp plan outline the phases, the process?

One of your first two.

Oh, not this one.

Keep going back.

This one it shows the outline of our 2050 plan area.

Oh yeah, the map.

Didn't you have that on the beginning of your slide?

Like a one point, it was a growth map.

So it was like a growth and then upper and the water.

Oh, this one, okay.

So there's our boundary, and at the south end, we've already reached what's agreed upon with the county, and so the southwest area plan to the west has kind of outlined the little area to the west.

A good portion of the north is going to be somewhat limited until infrastructure as well as elevation issues.

The east is somewhat there, so to a certain degree, we're starting to reach what I what I see is kind of a boundary.

Um the marketplace is going to begin to react to that from my perspective.

So we're sitting here at 2026.

We're doing the 2050 plan.

What's the forecast over 24 years?

Could that boundary be mostly filled out by this particular plan?

Uh uh.

Yes, I guess.

Um, so the impact area by Idaho statute has some kind of uh specifications of how that boundary has been set.

So it is an it is stated in that uh statute that it is an it encompasses an area that could be feasibility or feasibly annexed within the next five years.

I do not anticipate this boundary being filled up in five years.

Um but yes, the treasure value is growing together, right?

All the communities, I mean, that's what that's what growth is looking like.

Um, and so to your point, uh the impact boundary is not gonna go further west, further north, further east.

Um but the impact area boundary uh will be continue to be um evaluated to kind of um react to the growth that NAMPA will see in the future, so it's not a static boundary necessarily.

Well, our area of impact, if I could just say actually is we can't go east, we can't go west, we can't go north, and we've determined we're really not trying to go south for ag ground preservation, right?

And have said that.

So really we have a very static area of impact, and I think in my opinion, that's why this comp plan is incredibly important that we look at how we're going to use our ground because we're not getting any more.

We have a finite amount of ground, and uh maybe a little bit unlike some of our surrounding communities that have greater areas they can grow in.

The city of Nampa doesn't because of the Coldwell boundary to the west, Meridian, Ada County to the east, and then the river to the north.

So there really isn't any change.

What we do inside is critically important.

So this particular process right now is in my opinion, is probably one of the most important comp plans that we're going to do in NAPA right now because the outcome of this framing the picture for who we are almost permanently since there's not growth area to move into, and if I'm stating that incorrectly, somebody correct me, but that's kind of my perception as I look at it.

And if I'm stating that incorrectly, somebody correct me, but that's kind of my perception as I look at it.

So follow-up is will this plan also address a little bit how to how we emphasize the change up on already existing property in fill type work.

Because I I'm seeing we're coming against the boundary, and there's gonna continue to be some agitation on that.

Uh the reality is is how we're dealing with incentivizing, or if we're already by code able to start saying if you change over something and go up with some density.

Uh the parameters on that.

And I didn't know if our plan is to address that issue.

So that's actually one of the questions we're hoping to get from you guys is what you're hoping to see out of this plan.

So I think at this point, we're we're still kind of casting the net.

And I think uh as that comes back, we'll have a better understanding about how much of that will be an emphasis, uh, emphasis in the plan.

Um, but one of the discussion questions is I think to your point, um, what you would like to see the emphasis be a little bit later.

Okay, thank you.

One of the things that I think is um one of the biggest challenges that we face is trying to educate a public that thinks that we're supposed to live here and then we're supposed to do everything else over here, um, which contributes exponentially to the traffic problem that we suffer because nobody can stop and shop in the place where they live.

They have to go over to this place where everybody else has to go to get their goods and services.

And so I think that's probably one of the biggest things that has to be addressed in this plan is to help people understand that we have to have commercial everywhere in order to stop everybody congesting to the one place where they have to get all the stuff that they need.

So I I think that's one of the biggest things that we probably need to discuss or how to address in this plan.

Thank you.

Thank you all for those questions.

Um, and I think some of the things you guys are asking, can we can also Doug can Doug and I can touch on because we have been in the community for the last three months and we have talked to a lot of people.

Um, and I think um what we have found so far is that um, yes, we get people to fill out our survey, and that's fabulous, but the conversations that Doug and I are having are probably tenfold more important, and we're trying to capture those in a written format for you guys and for ourselves as we move forward, um, because we are having that conversation, um Steve, and about you know, closing the door behind them, and and there's a lot of things that people just don't um know or understand, and it's a quick like, oh, actually, we do collect impact fees.

Oh, you do great, and then they're happy.

That you know, those kind of conversations happen a lot.

Um, but we can uh we'll Doug will touch on kind of the main themes that we're we're hearing.

Um, but I'll just quickly go over kind of our outreach to date here.

Um, and this these numbers are more now.

So we've actually gone to 14 community events this weekend.

We were at the 208 night market and the farmers market, so can add two more there.

Um, and we have done 10 pop-up events because we went to the senior center yesterday, um, and then six boards and commission meetings, and then six community group meetings or other kind of outreach.

Um the 2,291 event participants is a guess, a guess.

It's uh an estimate at how many people probably walked by or talked to us, but maybe didn't fill out a survey, or we handed a postcard to, or we handed a flyer to, or we handed some some merch to, and so they're they're engaged and they know we're doing this, but maybe they didn't fill out the survey.

Um, and then the questionnaire responses is actually closer to almost 500 now.

I think it's about 470 some, because last week we went to the umployee picnic, and we had about a hundred employees fill out the questionnaire, which was fabulous.

Um, and then this weekend at the farmers market we had another like 30 or so um and another 20 or so um at the senior center.

So we're definitely hearing from people.

Um our community events are pretty well wrapped up.

Um we have I think we will be at the state of the city um with mayor and the chamber coming up, and then we will also be at um an Idaho regional housing um dinner that they're hosting.

Um so we'll be there as well.

So there's a couple others.

Um but one of the other things that we're looking to hear from you today is if there is if we miss something in this outreach, if there's another group or thing that Doug and I should be focusing on or going to um that you know, we hear that back from you.

The other one that I missed is we are getting into the high schools, and we will be talking to all of the their leadership classes at the four grade levels in all the Nampa high schools.

So we've been partnering with the school districts to do that.

So we're hopefully gonna capture a little bit more of that that younger demographic as well.

Um see here.

We have a booth set up, very branded.

Um people, it's engaging, people want to walk up, people want to know, people ask, oh, what is next for NAMPA?

What are you planning for?

Um, what is the plan for NAMPA?

And that really starts the conversation, and we're able to engage with the community and and talk them through.

And and typically people want to fill out the questionnaire right there on the spot and have a conversation about it.

So it's been really great.

Um, yeah, we've even had some young young kids that were interested.

So um it feels like we have been everywhere.

If you haven't seen us out, then you missed us.

Um and then who we're hearing from, um, so Asia participants, I think this is fabulous to see that we're really actually cat capturing a really nice breakdown of the entire community.

It's pretty equal in terms of who we're hearing from.

Um the the one age group would be that under 18 that we're trying to hit.

So I think the school um going to the schools will balance that out a little bit.

We also went to um Mayor's Teen Council, and that will hopefully balance these out because those results aren't in here as either yet.

Um and then in terms of relationship to NAMPA, we're definitely seeing a lot of people that live here and work here or a combination thereof, and then length of the relationship, I think to no surprise, um, it's kind of segmented here.

You have everyone people that have lived here for more than 10 years, you know, your your long, you know, people that have lived here a long time, relatively speaking, um, and then people that have been here between one and five years.

Um, so a lot of people that have just um moved here in the last five years, um, which we anticipated.

Um I will say based on conversations with people because the questionnaire just says if you've lived here between less than a year or or you know, between one and five years, and I would say most of the people we talk to, if they're in that one to five years, it's like in the last year or less.

Um we were at the library one day, and I talked to six people that had just moved here in the last six weeks.

New residents at the library, which is great, but that's definitely you know who we're hearing from, and people want to know what NAMPA's about and and what we're doing.

Um, so you know, we're and we've had the question of you know what are we gonna continue to grow?

And and and I feel like Doug and I have done a decent job at being relatively frank with people and that yeah, we do anticipate still growing, but that doesn't my what we tend to say back to people is that doesn't mean that we can't have a very livable community and have all those things that you love about Nampa and why you moved here and still continue to grow.

So that's kind of the the thing we tend to say back to people.

And then usually people are oh yeah, I I like this, and it would be nice to have this, and it starts a conversation.

Um, and then Doug, do you want to cover kind of the key themes here?

I started talking about them.

I got ahead of the stuff.

Oh, yeah, no problem.

Uh just also to mention we haven't gone out to the HOAs yet, so that's uh kind of our next round is to get out to the individual communities, uh particularly those uh that that are a distance from downtown.

So we're we're capturing trying to capture the entire impact area.

Um I think that the the desire for a small town feel here is really strong.

People are really proud to be here in NAMPA.

Uh that's an overarching theme that we hear over and over again.

Um the uh the desire for easier access to commercial services is strong.

Uh people are concerned about growth uh and the way that we're growing.

Um and uh they want to preserve that feel.

Um there's no doubt uh that that's an overarching theme in what we're hearing.

Um we did hear a lot from younger people and from the elderly that uh they wanted accessible public transportation options.

Um there's uh there was a lot of discussion that when we went to CWI, there was a lot of discussion about being able to live near campus and be able to get there without having to get in their vehicle.

Um or uh to be able to ride a bike even from living uh just on the other side of the freeway over to campus.

Um so the uh the amenities that people are looking for.

Um they they want to have commercial services, they'd love the recreation elements that we have here in the community.

They'd like to see more access to recreational elements.

Um they like the the events that we had.

Um I had not been to many of these events prior to this experience, and I'm very impressed with what NAMPA is doing here, and most people were with what NAMPA's doing.

We have a wonderful downtown and a series of events there that have uh really brought people together and had some great conversations.

Is that the there we go?

Okay.

Um what is it that they love about the small town feel here?

Um it's the their connections, the feeling of safety.

Um it's largely uh a religious community.

There's conservative values in this community, all those things people moved here for.

Um there is some cultural diversity here.

We saw that uh in several locations where people uh don't speak English, and um, so there was a little bit of an uh language barrier for us, but we we had printed out the questionnaire in Spanish and and my broken Spanish tried to communicate where uh and when that I could.

Um we found that uh uh Boise being a short drive is becoming a longer and a longer drive, so people don't necessarily want to go to Boise to get their services, they want to be able to stay here.

And then uh Bri, I'll go ahead and take this one.

So overall safety is a primary concern here.

Um they'd like to have it be uh clean, uh safe uh environment, affordable environment, and uh they want it to be inclusive, they want to have more events here that are culturally oriented, for example.

Um I had an interesting conversation with an individual about uh their feelings about growth here, and they said, Well, there are the people that are moving here, you're really seeing two different um philosophies.

Some people are moving away from something, and some people are moving to NAMPA because they want to be in NAMPA.

And generally the folks that want to be here get involved in the community.

Those that are moving away from something generally want to shut the door behind them, and I thought that was really profound.

And how can we uh uh deal with that uh mindset and how can we help those who are trying to get away from something assimilate to life here in NAMPA and get involved in the community in a positive way.

So that's something else that we saw.

And lastly, there's a real strong sense of family here.

Um that is uh we saw over and over again people that uh had multiple generations here.

Um they were at the farmers market and they were out doing things together, and they felt safe in being able to do so, and that's a really important uh value that we have in this community.

So, Brida, do you want to take the other?

And then so kind of just moving on with some more key themes from the questionnaire.

So, this one on the questionnaire was a you check your top three responses of what um values should guide NAMPA.

So, how we framed this question, we were talking to people is you know, as we move forward, what um what should the plan really um what should guide the plan?

Um preservation of natural areas uh came up a lot, um, and then public safety, as you saw from the last slide, that people want a safe community, um, and then stable neighborhoods.

And I we had a this question a lot of what is a stable neighborhood, and while we don't have a specific definition for that um, you know, a lot of it was a conversation of well, what is a stable neighborhood to you?

What does that look like?

Um really comes back to you know, it's safe and it's clean and it's walkable and those kind of things.

Um, and then sustainability and then arts and culture, obviously, and then as we moved down, um obviously people wrote in some other things, um, but uh I was surprised that accessible transportation kind of in terms of checking the box came lower because a lot of our verbal conversations that really rose to the top.

Um see here, and then what we've heard so far again.

So um the last question um on the questionnaire was what's your bold idea for NAMPA?

So, and how we kind of framed this when we were talking to people is you know, if you could do one thing in the city of NAMPA to make it, you know, your ideal community, what would it be?

And these are the things that people said revitalized downtown, affordable housing, and traffic solutions, um, which I feel like is really no surprise to most of us.

Um, that those are the things that people you know would like, and then also places to gather and a pathway system and public transportation, um, those things also rose to the top.

Um so to us, the this was really the most important question on the questionnaire as and as we spoke to people because this is really, you know, if we were to focus on one thing in the next 25 years, like one of these things would be it to really define um you know what NAMPA is and will be going forward.

Do you have anything else to add?

I think it just um I I wanted to add that and I think you should know this that um many people have said that they're really appreciate the leadership that we have in this community, and that um they appreciated the fact that uh were able to respond to things quickly, and and they complemented um the the uh the city organization and the leadership, and I think you should know that uh it wasn't all complaints to us, it was there was a lot of positive feedback that we got, so we appreciated hearing that.

And then we'll turn it back over to Miriam, and then um we can pause for questions about these, and then we can go to well the next question or the question is about the the next thing is are the questions.

So Mary, can I ask a Brianna?

Yeah.

Um one thing I'm concerned about is capturing the people that don't have time to go to the library and the farmers market.

Can you give an idea of I understand why you didn't ask, but the socioeconomic breadth of who answered the survey?

Yeah, so that that's a great question.

Um it was not a question on the survey, um, which for obvious reasons, um, just to make people feel comfortable taking it, obviously, and to keep it short and concise.

Um we obviously have uh economic data uh of you know the different the median income across Nampa and where those uh folks are located and all that.

So Doug and I did make a a pretty good effort in trying to go to specific areas that maybe we wouldn't hear from people, um, some of like maybe the older neighborhoods, those kind of things.

Um it wasn't also just community outreach.

Um, Amy has been instrumental in helping us um with social media and press releases and pushing that out as well.

Um, and we really relied a lot on um you know some of our boards and commissions and asking them, can you please send this to your friends, your family?

Um we've had a lot of emails go out with links to the you know the questionnaire, um, and really trying to hit it from all angles.

Um, but your concern is very valid, and it was one of our biggest concerns going into this is that there are plenty of people that really care about this community that don't have time to make it to a city council meeting on a Monday night because they have three kids and two jobs.

It's just the reality.

Um so we were very aware of that.

Um, and we I feel like we are doing our best to try to capture those folks by going to them rather than expecting them to come to us.

Um but also open, we still have time.

The door the the survey's not closed, so we're not moving on yet.

Um so if there's other ways or other means that you guys would like us to reach out to people, we're happy to do so.

Um it's yeah.

So just so we we did national night out, and Brie and another staff member went to the gateway crossing gateway crossing apartments, um and uh Rodney and I were over at the Heartland development, and uh very different outcomes.

Uh, where Brie and and Damien were um, there's a lot of need, and so people were looking for whatever we could offer them in Heartland.

There was more of a desire to just close the door behind, and so very different perspectives, and it was very helpful for us to see, you know, where does the city uh what's the city's role in all of that?

And um then yeah, we also spent a lot of time out in the uh like we went to the pools uh during the daytime, and we captured a lot of families that really rely on those for recreational elements.

Um at one of the things that really impressed me was uh when Bri and Damien were out, we asked some kids to draw pictures of where they they their favorite place in Nampa is.

And one kid did a McDonald's, um another did the park.

Um these are these are places where they they uh they look forward to going to and and seeing and being part of um so it I think it's been a humbling experience um knowing that people are coming from very different backgrounds.

They all they live here, and uh it's not it's not a it's a middle class community, but there are um there's quite a gap between the two income levels.

So yeah, I mean, yeah, just that was I it was quite the experience to go out and talk um to that community, and uh almost everyone we spoke to they just wanted their basic needs met.

Um, whereas you know, a lot of other folks in the community are like Doug was saying, really worried about what other folks are doing, and a lot of there's a a group of people that live in Nampa that really are just looking to survive um and get their basic needs met.

When people came up to us at our table um at Gateway Crossings, the question wasn't like, oh, what are you doing here?

Like all the stuff, it's like, oh, what do you have that you can offer me?

Because they're just they wanted food and resources and again just basic needs, and it was very humbling and very eye-opening that there is a group of people that live in Nampa that uh you know are looking for those kind of things.

So the other question.

No, you're right.

There's a couple people online.

But getting about that.

Um you mentioned high school.

You went out and talked to kids in high school.

Going to.

Well, I I would encourage you to do it because those are the future leaders.

Those guys are gonna grow up, they're gonna go off to college, they're gonna go into the military, they're gonna have a broad experience, they come back to NAMPA.

It may take a few years before it comes to fruition, but they will see and what is like here, and they're gonna be the future city council people, the future planning and zoning commissioners, the future mayor.

We should encourage the high school kids to be more active in the community, find ways to activate them now.

Get that in their brain that they live here and they should work together to make it a better place.

Yeah, totally agree.

Thank you.

Um, yes, we we met with the mayor's uh leadership council, and we were very impressed.

Um these young people are bright, they're they're very interested in their futures, and and thank you.

We're looking forward to going to the high schools doing more of that work.

So we have about 35 minutes left.

So we'll just time check.

Great, thanks.

So with such a large group we have today, um, we're using a tool called Menti to help facilitate the conversation.

So if you could pull out your phone or your tablet, um, go to www.menti.com or you can scan this QR code and enter the code here on the screen, 7353 8871.

Um there are just a couple of questions that we're going to use to uh help facilitate this conversation.

It doesn't allow us to put the number in until it says waiting on the presenter.

That's gonna make me go to the next slide.

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So either scan it, okay, or go to menti.com and put in the code.

Everyone in or have tech issues, I can help.

Okay.

So our first question really is looking at the public engagement that we've heard so far.

What has surprised or stands out to you from that public feedback that Brianna and Doug have walked us through today?

Give you just a couple minutes to put some thoughts in here.

If you would prefer not to use your smartphone and want to just have a dialogue with us, um, that is also okay.

So the public transportation being such an emphasis looks like it was a surprise.

Yeah.

And to the the comment about preservation of natural lands exceeding public safety on that graph.

The last I checked public safety had inched just past.

Um so it's not done until it's done in terms of collecting feedback.

Um, but yeah, kind of neck and neck with priorities.

Anyone uh anyone want to talk about what they've put up on screen for us?

Why was public transportation so surprising?

Buses are always empty.

Honestly, I drive around constantly all day long, pretty much.

And you see the buses other than a few that go into CWI, there's nobody riding them.

I don't understand honestly, I don't understand why we're spending dollars on it because nobody's writing these different things.

And if we're gonna use them, let's get minivans because there's no sense of running these huge buses for one person.

It just doesn't make any sense to me when I I watch them going up and down the road constantly with nobody in them.

It's doesn't it to me it's assigned, but just other surprises?

Go ahead.

I'll try to tell a quick story.

So we had a feedback deal.

When was that, Cody, that we went in for that last is it December, the end of last year.

Cody and I went to a feedback session with the planning group.

I think everybody did in their own little groups.

And I they said, What was your two top things?

And I said, Well, I think the number one concern we hear about is affordable housing.

And Cody agreed with me.

And then I said the next thing is public transportation, and Cody looked at me like I was crazy.

It's like what and then I realized I had taken traffic.

Number one concern is traffic, and I had assumed a solution to that being public transportation.

But I don't think I I took it a step further than most people think, which is why I think Cody was surprised when I said that, because I think everybody does have a problem with traffic.

Nobody sees public transportation as a solution to that.

And I think to Tom's point, we have to get a critical mass.

Like I can't ride the bus until it's consistent, reliable, and has enough routes in order to make it actually work.

So if you only kind of what's the clean way of put in the half effort to do it, it's not gonna work.

You kind of have to go all in to make it work, and it's hard to go all in until you try and make it work.

So I I think we do need public transportation, but it is a hard problem to solve of how to get it going to a point where it's actually is usable.

I I was just gonna know, I think why you're seeing them look empty is because VRT primarily runs on-demand services, so you have an individual person calling for a bus rather than an established route where multiple people can reliably go to that stop and multiple people be getting on and going to a destination.

Um I think that's visually why you're not seeing it look utilized.

Yeah, and I understand they're on they're on demand.

So to me, if we're gonna have that kind of a system, we need Dodge caravans or something that's a whole lot more economical, and if you definitely not battery operated because that's a waste, but um something a lot more economical than these 25, 28 foot buses running around with one person on them.

If we're gonna go pick up one person from South Napa and one from North Napa, let's get something that's economical.

And even if you go into Boise, you don't see those buses with that many people on them going cruising around Boise, and they've got the system supposedly figured out, and nobody nobody's riding it in Boise.

So you know, I know there's a lot of people like from Napa that go into Boise to work, but just in downtown Boise, when you're down there, you don't see that many people riding the buses.

Not like not like Seattle, Portland, the major metropolitan areas that that really have the bus system worked out, but um well, I'll I'll just make a couple comments on this.

Mark Swer, senior director of development services.

So I'm also the liaison for the city with Valley Regional Transit.

And as you may already be aware of Valley Regional Transit, um, they are our regional provider, right?

Provided by referendum over 20 years ago.

So we as the city don't have much say on exactly the services they provide to us.

They have routes 40 and 42, which are basically the regional routes, the big buses that you're talking about that sometimes are they maybe have one or two people on them that actually go to Boise.

Then they also operate the Route 150, which is the on-demand service.

Those are the smaller vans that you see throughout the city.

In addition to that, they also provide auxiliary services to seniors and paratransit individuals who need to get to their medical office, they need to go to the pharmacy, they need to go to the market, so forth.

There's a lot of different services they provide on top of that.

This year in the budget, we we spent about $850,000 to provide those services to us.

And even no matter how much they're utilized, it's about two million dollars worth of services that they provide to us, and they leverage federal money in order to provide those services to us.

If we were just to provide the 150 service, it would cost us that's the on-demand service, would cost us a million dollars just to provide that if we didn't do it through Valley Regional Transit.

So just a couple of comments I wanted to provide on that.

Thanks.

I had a comment on there.

Um, the lack of understanding about downtown revitalization, and I see some other comments about downtown.

I think that it's it's hard from where we sit is on the council, at least for me, um, that people don't understand the process.

And the first thing I say as a small business owner is you're welcome to go buy a building down there, and uh, you know, hopefully the the codes and stuff we have in place don't hinder you.

That's our role for city government is to make sure that we can have that stuff so it can it can grow.

But other than that, um they need to look at what NDC is doing about trying to um acquire uh either infrastructure or real estate to help with downtown.

But so much of this is that there's been a couple of property owners that have owned the majority of downtown for years, and recently one of those may uh major property owners has sold his portfolio, and now we're seeing some things move.

There's still some stuff that we can't do anything about.

The owner is like, we're not selling it, um you know it'll be there when he dies.

So um that's that's uh where we live in that realm, and people talk about all these great things they want to do downtown.

I'm like, well, that's fantastic, but uh you have to own the property to do that.

So they need to understand that others want to chime in on the downtown revitalization comment.

Well, quick just a quick comment uh that I've shared with the mayor and uh one of the counselors.

But the reality is what the the revitalization plan is in motion and and going forward, uh I think there's some tweaks that need to happen with it.

But the biggest the biggest challenge is that uh we're an impediment to the revitalization of downtown.

Our regulations are that you have to meet historic standards, you have to do certain things uh is an impediment to the marketplace.

And for me, uh if we allow the marketplace and free it up, we would see uh the marketplace uh responding.

I think there's pinup demand to respond, but I think there's frustration with the regulation and overregulation and and the difficulties to get things uh accomplished when it comes to downtown.

So uh I just think there's challenges yet moving forward in that realm.

Uh certainly people enjoy going down.

There's a lot of positive feedback.

Um, but I think uh per what's been worked out we it's it's better to get the the uh high-rise condos uh replacing blocks of old houses, if and uh more so uh you got to get the infrastructure so when each property owner has to do a little bit of infrastructure in front of their property, and then they have to take on more to because the neighbors don't want to do a darn thing, as councilman Reynolds said, they want to just sit there and do nothing.

That's where N DC, that's where government comes in and assists to get the ball moving.

Uh, but we got to free up and let the marketplace to re it was a sad deal for me, and so when we talk about public feedback, when an applicant for putting a new building up downtown gets slammed for their design uh because it doesn't meet uh historic and arts preservation, etc.

Uh we what we just communicate when that happens we don't want you to come build in our city unless you meet all these extra requirements.

And I I think that's a mistake.

I think uh if somebody want to put up a three-story glass building, and we say, Oh, that just doesn't work, what an investment.

And there'd be a bunch of people who want to come lease those buildings, and the next party would say, Oh, I can do that.

Gee, I think I could do that.

But instead, we say, Oh no, it's got to look like it's a hundred years old and dilapidated and etc.

I mean, there's a time to kick things forward, and so comp plan wise.

Uh, I know we have a separate plan for downtown, and that's good to continue to work on it, but the comp plan needs to incorporate ideas that still say we want to support the marketplace and its desires.

So we can I comment on that, maybe um when we were going through the form-based code stuff, and and I kept thinking to myself that a lot of what we end up doing or in with what councilman Bills was saying is it's it reminds you more of set design than anything, right?

Because we're saying that it has to look exactly like this, otherwise it's not going to be approved.

And I I was thinking to myself, does anybody know what the Guggenheim Museum looks like?

And like the context of that building looks like it's a spaceship that landed right in the middle of a city block, right?

And so something like the Guggenheim would never get built here, but it's one of the most famous buildings in this country, and where it sits is even more strange because they look like just other buildings that we would see downtown Nampa right next to it.

Um I went there one time.

I went to this place called Paley Park, and it was a really strange, beautiful little place, right?

Because you're walking down this city block in Manhattan, and then there's these gates, and you go in, and on the back of this, there's a big waterfall, and there's a bunch of little tables and chairs, and it's a little pocket park right in the middle of downtown Manhattan.

And you think, how did in the world did that get put there?

Who who decided that that's awesome?

And I am I'm glad that they did, right?

But how did that get passed?

Would we would we be able to put a park right in the middle of downtown Nampa?

Would that be available?

I I don't know, right?

And so I think that when we put those restrictions on it, we we end up doing more set design than anything.

We're not we're not thinking outside the box or allowing other people to do so.

Like that they, and I think that the human creativity just needs to be unleashed sometimes, right?

And if we put too many constraints there, then it's going to squash that, and you're gonna end up looking like you designed your downtown to look exactly like it is, and it's like nobody really wants to go there because of what it looks like.

It's like just a bunch of red brick buildings, you know.

Um, and I think that it can be beautiful that way, but um I'm with Councilman Bills, where I think that there's a lot of creativity that can be freed up, and that will spur more and more and more.

Um, and it will revitalize.

Thank you for sharing that, Matt.

I I appreciate the comments.

Um I think our form-based code meetings are gonna be the places that we need to have those discussions.

Am I correct?

And we're probably not done.

Just so that I can relax, because I'm always thinking about time.

How many more questions do we need to get through?

And what I'd like to end by five till nine.

I just want to make sure we accomplish and get done where you're headed.

So, how many questions do we have?

We have uh three more questions.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, I just want to make sure we get through them, but the the conversation's really good.

So uh thank you.

I appreciate the conversation.

We don't want to cut that off, but thank you for telling me we have three more questions.

Yes.

So the next question is uh really thinking about how we want to frame oh that skipped, didn't it?

Yep.

Um uh kind of the emphasis for the plan.

So we've we've asked the community what their big three big ideas are.

Um question is what are your three big ideas?

What are we calling vision themes that we would like to infuse into this plan?

So is it finding uh traffic solutions or public transportation solutions?

Is it revitalizing downtown?

Is it um thinking creatively about our um how we build and what our form is?

Um I don't want to put words in your mouth, but thinking through like what are your top priorities that you want to make sure uh we have in this plan that there's a um when you open up the plan, it's front and center.

How do you do this in a word?

There's not enough characters it can be more than one word, it's not gonna limit you just to one give you just just another minute.

Okay, give you just another minute.

Looks like downtown is coming to the top, family-oriented, youth focus, affordable or housing attainability, preserve agriculture, broader amenities.

Oh, it's changed too quick.

Okay, so I noticed a couple folks didn't um want to use their phone, which is fine.

Um what would you guys think that is not coming to the top?

Are there any other ideas that we don't see on screen?

Um for those of you that didn't use your phone to put some ideas on here.

Placemaking infill.

So I have a question.

Is downtown big in the middle because it came up so much?

Yeah, so the bigger the word, the more frequent the response was.

So uh multiple people put downtown in their submission.

Multiple people put infill or transportation, family-oriented pedestrian consistency.

Who put that one in?

Is that is that filling in the sidewalk gaps?

Walkability?

Okay.

Seems like there's some themes on here that aren't gonna come out because we use slightly different terms like housing attainability and affordable housing, the same thing, but they're just little words.

So I think we need to watch out for that.

Placemaking, multi-use, commercial pockets of commercial.

I think that's all the same general idea.

So not that I wrote those two items and just want to emphasize them or anything.

Any other conversation on this question?

Will you send this to us?

Will we get this at the end?

Yeah, we can send this.

It'd be nice to see it.

Thank you.

So I've got two slides before the next question.

Um I just wanted to be clear about kind of the expectation of the final deliverable of the plan.

So by law, we will be integrating the required 18 components by state statute, as you can see on screen.

Um traditionally, uh, because Idaho requires these topics to be included in a comprehensive plan, that has resulted in many communities in a very siloed plan, so that there's a chapter for transportation, a chapter for housing, a chapter for economic development.

Um, which is fine.

Um, meets, you know, checks the boxes.

Uh, what we are proposing for this process is a little bit more tailored to NAMPA, a little bit more thoughtful, and um, so what we're thinking through is um a shorter plan as well, so that we can make sure that it uh doesn't feel too cumbersome to use or to read.

Um so it'll be broken down, but we're we're calling vision themes.

So um whatever comes out of the conversation with the public, we will isolate into uh half a dozen or so vision themes instead of siloed uh land use or or economic development, kind of those um traditional plan elements.

So the anticipated structure here is we'll have an introduction, why are we planning, what's the importance of it?

Then we'll have you know handful of these vision themes that will go into the emphasis of what this plan is hoping to accomplish in this next iteration, which will include goals and strategies, uh, which will include how we how we meet that vision.

We'll have the future land use chapter, which is one of the primary tools that we have for the comprehensive plan, um, which geographically outlines kind of the intended or desired character of different areas of the community, and then we'll have an implementation chapter to round it out so that this won't just sit on the shelf that we can kind of hit the ground running, um, make sure that the plan can be implemented and track that progress.

So the next two questions that I have are in terms of the conversations that I've had with staff, we want it short, we want it graphic, we want it to be a plan that you know people walk around with and can reference easily, but what would make the plan more useful for you for planning and zoning for city council?

Um, what would be a plan that you would feel proud of of walking around with any ideas on this slide?

And then the next one, I'm um I think we have just kind of a follow-up question on some of those components, and then we can end.

Well, one thing I noticed in the last plan, you know, when you work on the plan, you really work, you try not to miss something or make mistakes.

But one of the things that I uh struggled with is that we have zoning designations in county ground that is large lots like acres, but we have it as a medium density.

I find that really, really awkward.

And I don't know how to address that because those uh I mean so far in 20 years or whatever, people are not selling their acre lots there.

And so, how do we uh I guess a question in my mind is really what is the right way in a plan to address that?

Because it's a little bit awkward.

Um, and to me, it isn't real useful when you've got existing property that's if it were undeveloped, it would be different.

But when it's developed property, and then we overlay a zoning that does not match with what is being used currently.

Um I I think to me that makes it feel less usable.

So I'm just curious how we're gonna address that as we move forward.

And it's just a I guess maybe food for thought.

Yeah, we can take a close look at the the future land use um tool and its relationship and guidance to zoning.

Um that would this is a great opportunity to take a hard look at what's working and what's not.

Yes.

Hey, this is Rodney.

Hey, um, I just wanted to comment on that one real quickly.

I I think one of the tools that we have tried to use since um I came back to the city is our team uh recommended that we use zoning.

Here I'll put my face on screen.

Um my team recommended that we use zoning uh maximums and minimums for uh loss sizes.

So that changed things dramatically because in the past the mayor's absolutely right that we would have these properties built or homes built where they're just huge and it doesn't match.

It's an RS6 zone.

You could have a 6,000 square foot lot, and so it would cause people to have these really large lots because there was no maximum, and then another RS6 zoned property next next to it would try to develop 6,000 square foot lots, and it just wouldn't fit.

It was so hard to make it fit.

Um, so we put some maximums in place to help with that.

I think in the future that's gonna really benefit us.

But um the other thing that uh councilman Bills and I have been working on is some language to just in our code to address the densities right next to an existing subdivision that's really large lot um and just buffer from that and transition to from large lots to smaller lots.

And so I think there's some tools we can use our comprehensive plan if we're to include that as a theme or um a principle to look at in the comprehensive plan, a buffering from existing large lot single family homes.

I think that could help us when we when we uh go to a hearing and um we can point that out and say, yeah, we're we're working on that, or we are we have that in code because it's in our comprehensive plan.

Thanks, Rodney.

Okay, these are great ideas.

Accessible, interactive, educational.

Okay.

I want to be cognizant of the time.

Um so the last question that I have is kind of a multiple choice or ranking.

So some ideas that we've uh played around with are kind of value added components for this process.

Um if any of these are important to you, we'd ask you to rank them.

Um interactive website for the plan, uh, executive summary component of of um hard copy, perhaps, or additional graphics or other ideas that you guys have want to throw out there for us to are there any ideas that I didn't have up on screen that you would like to see us consider.

I I think and maybe you do do this, but I think maybe more directly kind of have almost an FAQ section that is maybe not frequently asked questions but frequently made comments at public hearings.

So how does growth pay for growth?

Why don't we just build infrastructure before we build a subdivision?

Why don't we?

Why do we need residential before you know things like that that people come and complain to us about, and there's good logical answers for it.

Yeah, kind of what I have put a few times is just educational resources for the public so they actually understand what they're reading, because most of the questions that they have or concerns that they have can be easily answered.

They just don't know where to go and they don't know who to ask.

So along that line, what would really be helpful is to have a page or two that discusses regional economics and have an informative uh spot to educate the public.

So once a marketplace has a certain saturation of rooftops, there's a demand for services, meaning commercial when there's enough commercial, it requires industrial to feed the commercial as well as the workforce that the residential has brought.

So it's a regular cycle, and most folks don't understand, so they say, Well, why are we getting all these warehouses?

Well, you're getting all these warehouses because there's rooftops, and the continued growth of rooftops brings commercial.

So earlier in the discussion was people are driving quite a distance for commercial.

No, there's a desire to have in our city much more commercial.

It just takes a certain number of rooftops and a certain matter of dollars changing hands within the marketplace.

Um that's that's what needs to there needs to be something in the comp that recognizes why these different zones and what the maturation that takes place uh in the marketplace as we gain rooftops as a follow-up to that, thank you.

That's a really good comment.

And as we go through this process, I think it would be very helpful for us to understand what our metrics are today.

What is the ratio of rooftops?

What is the ratio?

What is the uh more standard best practice in a community for the split of commercial, residential, industrial, the manufacturing side, and where are we today?

I think that would be to me one of the most helpful things as we look to the future and how we want to grow and use the finite amount of ground that we have is to understand currently what we do have and what we need more of.

And that's the mix between single family, multifamily, all that maybe a couple other things that we get hit with a lot, just on the frequently asked questions or comments, is how are schools pay for in Idaho and how are the roads paid for in the city of Napa?

Because that's one of the big things we get almost all the time is well, schools are are gonna be you know too many people, and well Idaho has a weird way of doing schools, and you can't you can't put a new school in until you overcrowd the one that's there.

And the same with the roads, and that you know we have people all the time coming to public hearings and saying, well, don't don't allow this development until you get the roads built.

Well, we can't pay for the roads until that development starts goes in.

So if I think it would save both the city council and the commission time if if some of that was out there real simple language for the public to understand, instead of coming in front of us and then we gotta explain it night after night after night.

So just a couple pages that completely explain macroeconomics to everyone.

Right.

Yeah, I've got it on my list.

And I think that one of the other things is like if you had a resource like that that you could direct the public to, you could advertise that at our public meetings and say if you have questions about this type of development, please use this resource right here so that it's advertised in our public hearings that you could point to then during the meeting and say, well, if you have questions about that, a lot of those questions can be answered by going to this website and blah blah blah.

So I think it'd be great.

Great.

Okay, Miriam, I I just wanted to bring it up real quickly.

I think it's important too that we consider the return on investment.

We've got to consider finance and all of this, and and Logan Simpson has expertise in that area that won't be including in this process.

So I just wanted to bring that up.

So yeah.

Fantastic.

Um we really appreciate your comments and input today, and um look for I really look forward to meeting with you again at our next joint work session.

Um, probably coming up in a couple months.

Uh we uh we will continue to um finish out the engagement for phase one and then move into phase two, which is really kind of thinking through the specifics about what we're hearing and what that means for policy planning, land use planning uh that we can pull into the future.

So again, thank you so much.

Um I'm here for questions afterward, but we can we can close out with that.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Good job.

You guys have been easy.

I will say, just the number of places that you've been, the evenings and weekends that our staff has done.

I thank you for that.

Yeah, thank you so much.