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Nampa City Council and Fire District Workshop on Fire Admin Space and Urban Renewal – October 16, 2025

Public MeetingsThursday, October 16, 2025
BodyNampa, Idaho
SessionPublic Meetings
DateThursday, October 16, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:40

Test test.

2:29

Good morning.

2:30

How is everybody this morning?

2:33

Good.

2:34

Good morning.

2:35

I think we're ready to get started.

2:37

We have a quorum.

2:39

Dale Reynolds is online.

2:43

So as we get started this morning, this is a workshop, so we don't start it traditionally with everything like we normally do.

2:51

So we will just dig in.

2:53

But we will start with roll call and then Clay, I'll have you open us.

3:31

Okay.

3:31

Sorry, I did not have to.

3:34

We cannot hear Dale.

3:37

I'm going to mark you, yes.

3:43

Ryan.

3:47

Oh, you vic I got Victor.

3:49

Okay, so I think we have actually we have all of council here.

3:53

Um we have one, two, three online and three present.

3:56

And then so I think we're good to go.

3:58

Okay.

3:59

So Clay Long's going to kick us off and here you go.

4:02

Thank you, Mayor, Council Commissioners.

4:05

Um, just to kind of set the stage for this morning's meeting.

4:12

Um, and district future annexed the city of Niampa for fire protection in 2021, which caused uh changes to our operational practices and procedures as far as equipment and uh real property over the last several years.

4:31

Uh, we've continued to work through some final things that need to be uh finished with that transition.

4:38

Many of those are still uh at staff level discussion and trying to wrap up some of those things.

4:45

My hope is to be back to council in November with a staff update on the rest of those items as we finalize them.

4:51

But the goal uh for this morning's meeting as we've worked with fire admin uh was to have a conversation and dialogue around two specific areas.

5:00

Number one being the fire admin space.

5:03

Um as a reminder, I did present uh and provide information regarding the space that was utilized by fire admin in the current location.

5:13

Uh and for the CIP, council did approve uh an amount of money for um reimbursement based on the growth that the police department had and that space being used by police for that uh and and relocating fire admin, that bucket of funds being available to council for um their their discretion on that for the fire admin space that they're currently occupying the other item uh for this morning was regarding the uh impact to budgets that urban renewal district has uh for the tax base right now and recognizing that being a constraint, also recognizing that's gonna sunset.

5:55

Um but I know that's been um a challenge uh both fire and city for budget perspectives and so an opportunity to have that conversation and discussion this morning.

6:04

So with that, I will turn it back to you for for the discussion.

6:10

I believe if uh I know the commissioners have prepared some things and information, it sounds like Chief.

6:17

So maybe turn it over to Kirk.

6:24

Uh good morning.

6:25

You know, please excuse me, I have a little bit of a tickle.

6:28

So we have the Kleenex protecting the people next to me.

6:32

And uh I want to thank both uh council and commission for coming.

6:36

Uh it's not often we get this opportunity.

6:38

Uh mayor, after yesterday, I feel like we probably should have opened in prayer with the reminder of of that.

6:43

Um so I appreciate your words yesterday.

6:46

Um and I think just before we get started, uh just wanted to reiterate uh the the fire department will always be um a supporter and a good partner of the city.

6:57

Um we try uh very diligently to live by our vision and core values, and our vision is very similar to the cities.

7:04

Ours is excellence um safe or excellence service and strength and unity.

7:11

And so when we think about those words for us, uh they really do apply to all things, and that strength and unity isn't just within the fire department, it's with our community, it's with with our council, um, all those things.

7:23

And so we get to today, it's been a long time since the annexation occurred.

7:26

Uh time has passed, and and new members are on council, and and so I know that for us we remember things a certain way.

7:34

Council will have thoughts and and perspectives a certain way, and those might not align.

7:39

And that's okay.

7:40

We could we can have discussions and we can have disagreements, and when we leave the room, our vision and core values don't change.

7:46

We're still uh uh supporting partner and and we'll always be a partner of the city and and the divisions within it.

7:53

Um I think today we really can we we can focus in on we have just this one item that we have some disagreement in in or different perspectives in and to to kind of give some I guess some highlight or review um I guess for for the fire district or I'll speak personally, there is a little bit of emotion in it, and so that can cloud things.

8:18

Um when we annex the city, uh we had been moved from the public safety building to where we are now, and we as a city and uh as an entity of the city, and so I think internally there's this piece of me that says, well, if we would have stayed with the city, we would have a home.

8:36

And and so that feels like to me that that should should also be uh today because we're still um a partner with the city, and in fact we we have the same constituents, the ta the taxpayers that you represent are the same taxpayers that we serve and represent as well.

8:52

Um and so I think today we're just asking more uh for some clarity as to the decision uh of council uh and then really uh past that just a request to help.

9:03

Um as a taxing district, we're we are solely property tax.

9:08

We don't have the opportunity for revenue very small opportunity for revenue.

9:12

So when we're uh looking at a large sum of money, there is no revenue opportunity for us to gain those funds from.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Fire Safety██████████████████████████26%
Public Safety██████████████████████████26%
Budget Equity Analysis█████████████13%
Public Engagement█████████9%
Urban Renewal███████7%
Procedural█████5%
Water And Wastewater Management████4%
Airport Management████4%
Government Structure██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Nampa City Council and Fire District Workshop on Fire Admin Space and Urban Renewal – October 16, 2025

The Nampa City Council and Nampa Fire District Commissioners held a joint workshop on October 16, 2025, to discuss outstanding transition issues following the fire district's annexation into the city in 2021. The primary focus was on funding for a new fire administration building and the impact of the urban renewal district on fire district budgets. No formal votes were taken; the meeting was a discussion session.

Discussion Items

  • Fire Administration Building Funding: Fire Chief Kirk Carpenter explained that the original $880,000 from city impact fees (approved for fire admin relocation) is insufficient to purchase or build a new administrative space. The fire district has $2 million in impact fees earmarked for growth but can only use them for square footage above 7,200 sq ft. The cheapest existing building option was $3.4 million (now off market). The chief requested creative solutions, including potential city supplements, urban renewal assistance, or partnerships.
  • Training Facility Lease (10-Year Notice): The city agreed to give a formal 10-year notice to the fire district regarding the training facility lease, as had been discussed. Councilman Bills and Chief Carpenter raised concerns about guardrails to ensure the property is only used for water district expansion, but the mayor and staff noted the 10-year notice itself serves as protection. It was decided to proceed with the notice and bring lease language to council for approval.
  • Station 5 Lease (Airport Property): The fire district currently leases land at the airport for Station 5. The chief expressed interest in eventually purchasing the property to avoid future displacement. Council directed staff to develop language to solidify the lease and explore a future purchase option.
  • Urban Renewal District Impact: Fire Chief Carpenter noted that the fire district pays $1.25 million annually in increment taxes to the urban renewal district, a portion of which pays off bonds for the public safety building (a building the fire district no longer occupies). The district hopes for partial release from urban renewal when bonds mature in 2028. Megan Conrad, urban renewal attorney, clarified that at termination, budget impacts are complex and subject to House Bill 389.
  • Options for Admin Building: Councilman Haverfield suggested creative partnerships or co-location. The chief mentioned the vacant Mona Lisa building (within urban renewal district) as a possibility. Councilman Bills asked urban renewal attorney Conrad to explore whether the urban renewal agency could purchase the building and lease it to the fire district, or assist with infrastructure improvements without triggering voter approval requirements.

Key Outcomes

  • Directives Issued:
    • City staff (Clay Long) to draft and bring to council: (a) a 10-year notice on the training facility lease, and (b) updated lease language for Station 5 to provide long-term security and potential purchase path.
    • Reconvene the previous working group (Council members Bills, Victor, and Mayor Kling) to explore funding solutions for the fire administration building, including the Mona Lisa property and urban renewal possibilities.
    • Urban renewal attorney Megan Conrad to research legal feasibility of agency involvement in a building purchase/lease for the fire district.
  • Next Steps: Staff to return to council in November with a staff update on transition items. The working group will meet quickly to develop proposals.

Meeting Transcript

Test test. Good morning. How is everybody this morning? Good. Good morning. I think we're ready to get started. We have a quorum. Dale Reynolds is online. So as we get started this morning, this is a workshop, so we don't start it traditionally with everything like we normally do. So we will just dig in. But we will start with roll call and then Clay, I'll have you open us. Okay. Sorry, I did not have to. We cannot hear Dale. I'm going to mark you, yes. Ryan. Oh, you vic I got Victor. Okay, so I think we have actually we have all of council here. Um we have one, two, three online and three present. And then so I think we're good to go. Okay. So Clay Long's going to kick us off and here you go. Thank you, Mayor, Council Commissioners. Um, just to kind of set the stage for this morning's meeting. Um, and district future annexed the city of Niampa for fire protection in 2021, which caused uh changes to our operational practices and procedures as far as equipment and uh real property over the last several years. Uh, we've continued to work through some final things that need to be uh finished with that transition. Many of those are still uh at staff level discussion and trying to wrap up some of those things. My hope is to be back to council in November with a staff update on the rest of those items as we finalize them. But the goal uh for this morning's meeting as we've worked with fire admin uh was to have a conversation and dialogue around two specific areas. Number one being the fire admin space. Um as a reminder, I did present uh and provide information regarding the space that was utilized by fire admin in the current location. Uh and for the CIP, council did approve uh an amount of money for um reimbursement based on the growth that the police department had and that space being used by police for that uh and and relocating fire admin, that bucket of funds being available to council for um their their discretion on that for the fire admin space that they're currently occupying the other item uh for this morning was regarding the uh impact to budgets that urban renewal district has uh for the tax base right now and recognizing that being a constraint, also recognizing that's gonna sunset. Um but I know that's been um a challenge uh both fire and city for budget perspectives and so an opportunity to have that conversation and discussion this morning. So with that, I will turn it back to you for for the discussion. I believe if uh I know the commissioners have prepared some things and information, it sounds like Chief. So maybe turn it over to Kirk. Uh good morning. You know, please excuse me, I have a little bit of a tickle. So we have the Kleenex protecting the people next to me. And uh I want to thank both uh council and commission for coming. Uh it's not often we get this opportunity. Uh mayor, after yesterday, I feel like we probably should have opened in prayer with the reminder of of that. Um so I appreciate your words yesterday. Um and I think just before we get started, uh just wanted to reiterate uh the the fire department will always be um a supporter and a good partner of the city. Um we try uh very diligently to live by our vision and core values, and our vision is very similar to the cities. Ours is excellence um safe or excellence service and strength and unity. And so when we think about those words for us, uh they really do apply to all things, and that strength and unity isn't just within the fire department, it's with our community, it's with with our council, um, all those things. And so we get to today, it's been a long time since the annexation occurred. Uh time has passed, and and new members are on council, and and so I know that for us we remember things a certain way. Council will have thoughts and and perspectives a certain way, and those might not align.

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