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Nampa City Council Meeting: December 16, 2025 – Holiday Recognitions, Public Hearings, and Key Votes

Public MeetingsTuesday, December 16, 2025
BodyNampa, Idaho
SessionPublic Meetings
DateTuesday, December 16, 2025
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1:43

Yeah, thank you.

1:59

Okay, test test.

2:01

I think we're there.

2:02

Good evening.

2:04

And welcome to the city Nampa City Council meeting.

2:07

Thank you all for being here this evening.

2:09

Um as you might notice, a few of us are in uh festive attire.

2:16

And it tonight is ugly sweater contest, and so we'll do that in just a minute.

2:24

Um I just borrowed a shirt, so I don't get to compete.

2:27

But here we go.

2:29

We do have a tradition here, and that is that we open in prayer, and I so appreciate um our youth minister, Dustin Yankovich that is here to open us in prayer, and he is with the Rock Church of Christian and Missionary Alliance.

2:42

Thank you so much for being here this evening.

2:44

Let's stand and we'll open in prayer.

2:47

And then the pledge.

2:51

Let's pray.

2:53

Father, I thank you so much for this evening, God, and uh this time, Lord, I thank you for the leadership of our city.

2:59

Uh Jesus, I believe your hand is here alive and active, Lord, and working through these men and women as they lead our city.

3:08

I pray, Father, that you would encourage them in the decisions that they make.

3:12

I pray that you would give them wisdom, Lord, that they need to make good uh and right decisions, Lord, that are good for the the people of Nampa.

3:20

I pray that you would also give them the knowledge that they need, Lord Jesus, the data that they need to make those good decisions, Father.

3:27

I pray that they'd have all the pieces on the table to know how their decisions will impact the future of this city.

3:34

Uh I thank you, Father, for those in attendance, Lord.

3:37

I thank you, God that they are here.

3:38

I thank you for their involvement uh in how this city runs and and is put together and the services and value that it gives to those who call this place home.

3:47

Jesus, I pray that you would be with us this evening.

3:50

I pray, Father, for unity among the members uh of the council.

3:55

I pray that you would help them, Lord Jesus, to have their opinions and have their desires, but at the end of the day to be able to walk away from this table from this bench, Lord Jesus, and be friends.

4:05

I pray, Father, for your unity, I pray for your spirit and your presence to be here in this room this evening.

4:12

We ask all of this in Jesus' name.

4:14

Amen.

4:23

And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

4:40

Okay, roll call.

4:42

Rodriguez.

4:46

Reynolds here.

4:48

Griffin.

4:52

So Councilman Reynolds.

4:54

Thank you so much for being in charge and putting together our ugly sweater contest.

5:00

So take it away.

5:02

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

5:05

It works today.

5:06

That's fantastic.

5:08

Thank you, James.

5:09

Thank you, James.

5:10

That's a Merry Christmas to the council right there.

5:13

So uh everybody that participated today, I see a few of you.

5:19

Please line up here in the front.

5:21

I'll come down there with you.

5:23

If you have a sweater on, you're gonna get judged.

5:25

There is a prize, and we have uh four celebrity judges or five.

5:29

We have uh two captains from NAPA police department and a lieutenant, and we have Jimmy Whistler from International Minute Press and Elaine from BRT.

5:40

So they are going to judge.

5:43

There is a uh plaque, trophy, and a gift card for the winner.

5:48

So please line up here.

5:50

I'll meet you down there.

5:55

No.

5:56

Yeah.

5:59

Let's go get judged ready.

6:02

I don't have a sweater on.

6:06

I like it.

6:09

So why don't we just do it next?

6:11

Okay, after the contest.

6:16

Well, I love that it is.

6:20

No, I don't have to.

7:06

Yeah, that is uh yeah.

7:13

I'd rather sweat.

7:18

If you're a number experience, you can judge from behind.

7:30

I won last year.

7:31

I couldn't show them all up.

7:35

Is there any ready?

7:38

Should we go have a little Power over here?

7:40

Okay.

7:41

We're gonna have an idea.

8:07

I would love to go to the computer.

8:17

So while the judges, while the judges are judging, I will tell everybody here, you should go to the NAPA PD social media page.

8:27

They had a very fun Grinch um sighting, and it's on the MPD social media page.

8:35

So if you want to see something fun, go out there to Facebook to the NAMPA PD page.

8:49

And to the NAMPA Christian football team, you guys are on next.

8:54

So we're excited to have you here.

8:56

Yeah.

8:57

Greg, we'll have you up next in just a minute.

9:00

Thank you.

9:32

All right.

9:34

Well, thank you all for disp for participating.

9:36

Uh we waited in the back hallway before for several minutes for any bribes, but they didn't come through, so we had to do this the old-fashioned way.

9:43

Uh very tough decision, very tough decision.

9:46

Uh we love the slayer and the geometry and the Grinch, but I think we're gonna have to go with ugly sweater best with the elf on it beach.

10:00

So the deciding factor was which is the one you wouldn't buy.

10:10

So uh thank you all for participating to our our uh trophy tonight that I got uh honor to approve as they made it is hideous, by the way.

10:21

Um but uh International Interpress, which is Jimmy and Cheryl's company, they made this and donated it.

10:28

Um so come on up here, we'll present this to you, and we can you can hang this on the wall proudly.

10:40

I've got uh again.

10:44

Oh first of all, I want to thank God.

10:47

Um yesterday at 3 30 p.m.

10:51

I went to Sabers and I found this little number.

10:57

This wasn't in the men section, we'll just say that.

11:01

Thanks everybody.

11:10

What is the parts of parts?

11:16

Yeah.

11:22

That's awesome.

11:25

Well, as as we get kind of situated, why don't we just have all of you Nampa Christian football players come to the front?

11:32

And Greg, you come too.

11:34

Um come on over, guys.

11:41

Yeah, go ahead and just stand up front.

11:44

Okay, except for you can stand at the microphone.

11:46

How's that?

11:47

Woo-hoo!

11:57

Coaches and administration, please come up.

11:59

Coach Jenks stayed here with me.

12:03

And then I would love for Randy Haverfield to get to say, because Randy was the one that said this needs to happen today.

12:09

So Greg, we'll let Randy say something, and then I would like for you to share.

12:13

So Randy Haverfield has a quick word, and then has he ever had a quick word?

12:21

That's an oxymoron.

12:28

Oh, okay.

12:30

Um this is a full circle moment for me.

12:33

Uh I coached at Nampa Christian, as you know, for a few years, and uh we never made it across the threshold that you did, coach.

12:40

Um wonderful accomplishment.

12:43

They say a good coach can change your life, but a great coach uh well no, can change your game, and a great coach can change your life.

12:51

You've done that.

12:52

This group of young men, um wonderful testimony testimony.

12:56

Uh Tina, Mark, thanks for coming tonight.

13:00

Again, what you guys do at Napa Christian uh means a lot uh because not only did they win a state championship on the field, but they won the state championship in the classroom as well.

13:11

They had the highest GPA in the state of Idaho at their class.

13:20

That means you're setting them up for life.

13:22

Uh where they go from here, whether it's to college and on to work, or whether it's to play football at the next level.

13:29

Uh you've done a wonderful job in mentoring them.

13:32

The time that you guys spend in the weight room working together bit builds teamwork and helps you to be leaders.

13:38

Uh, I look around this room.

13:40

Uh the Crane family, I I saw Tyler, I thought, uh Gray earlier, uh, and uh a few others that have gone through this program, and for the rest of their lives, they are leaders in our community.

13:53

Um it means a lot to us.

13:56

Uh thank you, Brent.

13:58

Thank you, Jaron, if you're here.

14:00

Uh I thought I saw Josh Lewis.

14:02

Um, I just got to know Corey Hall.

14:05

Corey Hall now lives in the valley as a contractor.

14:07

And Corey and Josh hit each other uh at uh on the opening kickoff, and we played Glenn's Ferry down there and Josh came off the field.

14:15

Corey kept playing.

14:16

Um course he went on and played for the Green Bay Packers.

14:20

It's uh there's nothing these guys can't accomplish.

14:23

And thank you for your leadership.

14:25

Thank you again.

14:26

Well, I forgot the very first thing I wanted to say.

14:29

Uh that's when you go off cuff.

14:31

When we talk about faith, family and football, uh, when the first thing that I said to the parents is I want to mentor each of your young men that uh they will know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

14:42

That's the number one goal that we have in this program.

14:45

They wear Christian on their chest, they represent Nampa as well.

14:49

So it's a community effort and it's the community support.

15:00

Family again, there's so many uh family members that have come out, but part of the family element is the classroom and the time that they spend there, because they might not play a whole season, they might play only a few uh downs, but as long as they're doing well in the classroom, they're ready for college.

15:08

And then uh football is to win a state championship.

15:12

We got close a few times, but we never accomplished what you guys were able to do.

15:15

Thank you for uh carrying it across the goal line.

15:18

And I know that it was an overtime win.

15:21

So uh Coach Lombardi always said that uh the finest hour is the one that where you've spent everything to win, and uh so you've done that.

15:31

Congratulations.

15:38

Well, just real quick, Mayor, thank you so much for your support of Naprocristian schools for these years, and and you led through COVID, so that's like serving ten terms.

15:50

Uh so we appreciate that.

15:51

Uh, and your support of Naprocristian schools through the years.

15:55

One thing, um, my very first year I got to go on a golf scramble, and Randy and I talked football the entire time.

16:03

He's a pretty good golfer too, but uh your stories about football just kept me intrigued.

16:07

So we've we've kept in touch, and so thank you for your service here in Nampa as well.

16:12

That both of you are uh maybe this is the last meeting uh for both of you, but thank you for what you've done uh for Nampa Christian schools.

16:19

But NAPA uh has grown tremendously under your both of your leadership, so thank you.

16:26

I think we need to give them a big hand, so thank you.

16:34

I just want to uh there's always uh a myth out there that we recruit all of our football players.

16:40

How many of you have gone to Napa Christian over 10 years?

16:45

How many of you for twelve years?

16:48

How many for eight years?

16:54

Well, just saying that some of these kids have been here from pre-K all the way through.

16:58

Um really want to appreciate Coach Jenkins and the work that he does with these young men, as you know, as a head football coach job, there's a lot of time and effort.

17:07

Uh so let's give a big hand for Coach Jenkins.

17:10

I'll turn the mic over to him.

17:17

Uh I just want to say thank you to everyone that's that's uh had us out today.

17:22

Um very, very proud of these young men and what they've done over the last not just this year, but over the last four years for us.

17:30

Um for these seniors, this is their third academic state championship in a row, and each one of those we've had the highest GPA for football in the state in every classification, six A all the way down to one A.

17:43

So um thank you, fellas, for again working so hard in the classroom, um, putting it all together this year, um, bringing home a state championship to Napa Christian.

17:52

And and someone had asked me, is this your best team that you've ever had?

17:56

And I say, not by a long shot, but this is the closest team we've ever had, and that's why we were able to accomplish what we did.

18:04

So thank you, fellas.

18:06

Um, thank you, Mr.

18:07

E, Ms.

18:08

Pelke, Dr.

18:09

Wallace for bringing me here six years ago um to be the head coach, um, and just looking to continue a lot more success here.

18:17

So thank you guys.

18:18

That's impressive.

18:25

So we're gonna do a photo.

18:27

So squeeze in really tight.

18:29

Greg, come on, the whole everybody, Nampa Christian, pull in here, and we're gonna do a photo council.

18:35

Yep.

18:36

Here we go.

18:38

And guys, we are so impressed with you.

18:41

Congratulations.

18:43

Congratulations.

18:57

Can you see over their heads?

19:32

Raise the hand.

19:33

Raise your hand, how many are the fire functions tonight?

19:40

Yeah, they gotta get going.

19:42

That's great.

19:43

Thank you.

20:23

Oh, yeah.

20:24

We're back in the house.

20:27

Yeah.

20:36

Okay, so we're gonna get back on schedule with our agenda.

20:40

And I guess real quickly, our I don't have any proposed amendments to the agenda.

20:45

Council, do you have any proposed amendments?

20:49

Okay, I would send.

20:50

I'm sorry.

20:51

I had previously emailed about one five B, but I don't have any further questions on that.

20:56

So we're gonna say you're good to go.

20:58

Okay, thank you.

20:59

Okay.

21:00

So if there are no proposed amendments to the agenda, I would um ask for a motion to adopt the agenda as presented.

21:07

So moved.

21:08

It's been moved and seconded.

21:09

All in favor?

21:10

Aye.

21:10

Any opposed?

21:11

Okay, and I would stand for a motion to approve the consent agenda as provided.

21:16

We'll move.

21:17

It's been moved and seconded.

21:19

Is there any discussion?

21:20

All in favor?

21:22

Any opposed?

21:24

Thank you.

21:25

Okay.

21:25

So we don't have any agency or commission reports, but we have several staff communications.

21:30

So I'll let you guys go ahead and come forward.

21:32

The first one is from Parks and Rec, and then we're gonna move on to public works, but we have quite a bit tonight.

21:38

So Beach, congratulations.

21:42

Oh my, you're like on top of the world.

21:45

Thank you so much.

21:46

I love it.

21:51

Well, I'm getting this setup.

21:52

Beech Johnson, recreation manager, Nampa Parks and Recreation.

21:56

Mayor Council, good evening.

21:58

Merry Christmas, everybody.

22:00

Um I legit like 3:30 yesterday.

22:03

I was like, I gotta get a sweater.

22:05

And I really I mean, I I sewed this on myself, but I did not knit this amazing sweater.

22:13

Cardigan.

22:14

All right, let me get let me get uh presentation.

22:17

I know today is a uh hefty day uh as far as the agenda goes, so I'm gonna be quick uh and then I'll introduce Adam Ancini, he'll come up and talk a little bit, and then our director Cody as well.

22:30

All right, let me share here.

22:40

All right.

22:42

So I want to give a quick update on this this the timing in the segue of having a high school state championship team here is perfect because I want to talk a little bit about youth sports uh and what we do here in NAP and how really important it is to the community.

23:00

Uh I'm gonna go view.

23:09

So youth sports uh is growing, you know, as our population has grown.

23:13

The thing that's really interesting right now is traditionally we have very or we've had very the distinct seasons, right?

23:23

So spring was for baseball, softball, summer was for some summer ball, fall was for football, winter was for basketball.

23:32

Well, youth sports anymore is year-round.

23:34

And because of that, we're we're seeing that we're gonna have to make at our level, the rec level, we're gonna have to make some adjustments.

23:41

For example, our biggest sports program or some of our biggest sports program is youth basketball.

23:48

We have two seasons.

23:49

We have a fall season uh that ends in November, and then we have a winter season that will start on January twelfth.

23:56

What we've seen is is that the soccer season is now two really big seasons as well, and so they have crept into our fall season as well as football.

24:06

So we were we're missing something.

24:08

So we're gonna probably have to adjust our basketball season into the winter, so it'll be more of a uh December January season instead of having two seasons.

24:18

So it's it's interesting.

24:20

Football isn't just fall anymore, it is the fall season plus seven on seven season, and they're start they start in June and July.

24:28

So we're now competing with baseball and softball season at our facility.

24:32

So youth sports is continuing to grow.

24:36

Uh our volunteer coaches are the backbone of how we have success at NAPA Parks and Recreation.

24:42

So a huge shout out to them.

24:44

As a matter of fact, Dustin, is Dustin still here?

24:47

Dustin, uh, who gave you the indication he has coached in our program for a couple seasons, so thank you to Dustin.

24:54

Um building character through sport, and I'll go through fast.

25:00

We are we're teaching kids accountability, respect, and we always are trying to chase happiness.

25:03

And I actually want to switch that dialogue to joy because that's really what we want kids and families to have is joy.

25:18

We make sure that they're trained well, that we understand where they're coming from.

25:24

A lot of who we hire high school kids, and so this is their first job.

25:27

So we can teach them how to be uh great employees.

25:31

Uh and because it's a lot going on all the time, uh, something really important for us is burnout prevention, meaning that we lead with empathy, that we understand life happens, we want them to be successful at life as well.

25:45

Um, real quick, I do want to uh you know recognize the incredible work the parking rec marketing team does.

25:54

They're always behind the scenes, they do a phenomenal job for our department.

25:58

So a huge thank you to our marketing team for everything that they do.

26:03

Um we are great stewards of our budget, and that's you know, a core value for the city.

26:10

And and Mayor has uh made sure that that is a part of what we do.

26:16

So we are great stewards of ourselves and the budget.

26:21

And then uh lastly, recreation is more than games, it is connection.

26:26

Uh it's where kids grow, families connect, and community thrives.

26:30

You know, we are building a community recreation one game, one coach, and one family at a time.

26:35

Thank you guys for your time and your support financially to our department uh to make sure that we can continue to connect families and just bring more joy to the community.

26:45

So, with that, any questions, the whole as I'll hand it off to Adam and Zini.

26:51

Yeah, thanks everybody.

26:54

Peach, thank you for just making it fun and for your oversight and work with our recreation division.

26:59

It's so important to so many kids' lives, families as a whole.

27:04

Thank you for that.

27:05

You're welcome.

27:06

Thank you.

27:06

Appreciate it.

27:06

Yeah, Adam Ancini.

27:08

Thank you.

27:15

As Adam comes up, I want to say thank you to Adam today because he was instrumental in helping us.

27:20

We've got a menorah here at City Hall, and uh Adam helped me with that today, and just to get that situated, I really appreciate it.

27:28

That's new to the city.

27:29

Um, but we are happy to support our uh Jewish community.

27:34

So I'm thrilled to have that here.

27:35

And thank you, Adam.

27:38

And thank you.

27:40

Squirrels and the Christmas tree downtown.

27:42

Oh my goodness, you know, different years, there's different sagas.

27:45

The squirrels had been a little bit of a problem.

27:48

Um, did we chase the squirrel away?

27:51

Or squirrels?

27:52

I believe we did, yes.

27:53

Okay, I think we put some spray that made them not want to get in the tree.

27:58

Whatever, that was tricky.

28:00

Yeah.

28:18

My apologies.

28:19

Okay.

28:29

Good job.

28:33

Okay.

28:34

Um, I wanted to take a moment to first of all recognize the Treasure Valley Canopy Network.

28:40

If any of you aren't familiar with the Treasure Valley Canopy Network, the City of Napa, particularly Napa Forestry.

28:46

By the way, I'm sorry, I'm Adam Mancini, uh City Forester for the City of Nampa.

28:51

Um, we have had a partnership and coordinated efforts with the Treasure Valley Canopy Network for over 10 years since its inception.

28:59

And the Canopy Network has been a huge part of driving a healthier, more diverse, sustainable tree canopy throughout the Treasure Valley.

29:11

Why we're here today is the Canopy Network is expanding their vision and their goals and their initiatives out to NAMPA, and NAPA citizens are going to benefit greatly from this program that they will be presenting here in just a moment about um the opportunity to provide a service to citizens that aren't able to typically afford it.

29:34

So again, extremely grateful, very excited for this opportunity.

29:39

I wanted to uh welcome Emma Stammer.

29:42

She's uh program director for the Treasure Valley Canopy Network.

29:45

Thank you.

29:47

Adam, um, and first off, apologies that I don't have my ugly sweater on today.

29:51

I came unprepared.

29:53

Um like Adam said, uh, my name is Emma Stammer.

29:56

I'm the program director with nonprofit called the Treasure Valley Canopy Network, and as you may have guessed, we work with all things trees.

30:00

And as you may have guessed, we work with all things trees.

30:03

So one of those things is planting trees, but the other thing is also caring for trees because an urban forest is only healthy if you care for it, maintain it, and support it as it grows and prepare for the inevitable of having to remove trees.

30:17

So we have this awesome new program called the Community Tree Care Program.

30:22

And so I think if anyone has had tree work done, we know that it's pretty expensive.

30:27

So it's really cost prohibitive to our neighbors that can't afford it.

30:30

So this program is here to provide funding to cover needed tree work.

30:36

So that might be trees that are dead, dying, declining, just need pruning, all on private property, so at homes in our community.

30:45

And so thanks to funding from the Forest Service, we're able to provide a limited amount of funding, but enough funding to provide some really significant tree work across the area.

30:57

And so what our process looks like to implement this program.

31:01

We have a map here, and you'll see those blue sections there are all of our work areas.

31:05

So that includes a lot of NAMPA.

31:07

And we're reaching out to homeowners across the area.

31:10

So we need their address, we confirm that they're homeowners of their property.

31:14

We get a description of the tree work they might need.

31:16

If you know if someone has a limb hanging over their home, a broken branch, that kind of thing.

31:21

And then there's also an income requirement.

31:23

So we are asking for 60% of the medium income of the area.

31:27

So it goes to neighbors that need it most in our zone.

31:31

And then from there, we're at the application zone right now.

31:34

So we're accepting applications across the valley.

31:37

And then we're gonna move into our review.

31:39

So we're picking as many homeowners as we can to get treat needed tree work done and making sure that the people that need it are getting that tree work the most.

31:49

And then the tree work will happen late spring, early summer.

31:52

So we have a pretty quick turnaround, and we're looking forward to really providing this opportunity to NAMPA residents, Treasure Valley residents, and having some really great um improvement for urban forest.

32:04

So that's a quick um program overview of that.

32:07

I'll also add that we have a planting program as well that will complement this.

32:12

So if trees are removed or there's opportunity to plant trees, we are providing free trees to NAMPA residents as well in the spring.

32:19

So I got any questions.

32:23

Yes, Councilman Haverfield.

32:25

Just a quick question.

32:26

Um C as an example, uh, they have uh tree mitigation requirements.

32:31

If the tree is removed, uh equal caliper has to be placed back on the property.

32:37

Is a part of this at all uh a community effort where, say, the additional caliper of trees that might not need be needed on that particular piece of ground, maybe can be placed somewhere else outside of the city of Boise.

32:52

I mean, are you cooperative?

32:54

Uh is there a cooperative arrangement with other smaller communities that might not have again, like say the money available to fund for new trees uh where there might be something available as uh part of that cooperative councilman Haberfield uh and mayor.

33:11

Um so to answer your question, uh this program is is purely designed to provide the planting program that Emma referred to is uh basically to residents and citizens that want to enhance their properties and plant trees.

33:25

They have done initiatives where they've planted trees at schools and done group planting projects with uh volunteer groups throughout Boise.

33:35

Um you may be familiar, might have heard the City of Trees Challenge from Elaine Clegg.

33:39

She initiates she's the initiator of that program in the city of Boise.

33:43

Um but to directly answer your question.

33:45

This does not isn't designed to satisfy the mitigation in our city code, uh, but it would go towards the potential if someone did remove a tree because it was dead or dying or needed to be removed for some reason.

33:57

The city code does require you to have to replace a tree for a tree that was lost.

34:02

Um of course, if I were to make an exemption based on limitations in space, visibility concerns, or um other issues that might provide me and provide them an exemption, that would be the one time.

34:13

But otherwise, yes, a tree would need to be replaced.

34:16

Um, and this would hopefully go towards that if people have lost trees.

34:19

The city of NAMPA does also have our own program.

34:21

Um, unfortunately, we have to charge people and private property owners, but we do have a right-of-way tree program where trees have been lost.

34:28

We were able to plant trees in the right of way to replace trees that have been lost for citizens at 150 dollars a tree with the guarantee, and as we come out and plant it, do a consultation and everything.

34:38

This is separate than that.

34:39

These are free trees anywhere on the people's property and right in the residence.

34:43

Um, so it's a great initiative.

34:46

Extremely grateful.

34:47

Uh, mayor personally knows that we've had some challenges where we've had a lot of people come to us and have a need for this, um, particularly the maintenance program for pruning on trees.

34:56

And unfortunately, the city of NAPA doesn't have a program right now established for that and any funding.

35:01

So this would hopefully be something that we could jump start in the future and potentially dedicate some funding to continue the tree maintenance program in the city of Nampa.

35:09

So I hope that answered your question somewhat somewhat.

35:12

Yeah, it just tells me that there isn't a cooperative arrangement with between cities.

35:16

Yes, uh, which is too bad.

35:17

Um example has a lot more mature older trees that are large uh to be able to mitigate, you know, as far as something if that goes down, uh they can't put it on the same piece of property uh equal.

35:31

So uh it'd be great if there was a cooperative arrangement alike with an outlying smaller city community that didn't have the money to be able to put in trees in their new park spaces or something along those lines.

35:41

So it might be something just to think about in the future.

35:44

Definitely, thank you.

35:45

We'll consider that.

35:46

Any other questions for myself or Emma?

35:50

Be none.

35:51

Thank you so much.

35:52

Appreciate it.

35:53

Thank you, and thank you for your time.

35:54

Thank you.

35:57

And Cody.

35:58

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

36:00

Um Cody Swanner, City of Neapolit Parks and Recreation Director.

36:04

I just wanted to come before you tonight as uh the department was giving some updates, and thank you very much to to Bijan and Adam and Emma.

36:10

But I wanted to touch on another project that's in the fiscal year 26 budget for the parks department, which is an exciting sign project.

36:18

Um I put some renderings in your packet that are probably moot because I found out some information on locations that are not available for us to locate city uh welcome to Nampus signs or something.

36:29

I think was kind of the intent at the beginning.

36:32

So um you can ignore those.

36:33

Those were really just a rendering for an idea sharing.

36:36

But now that I have some answers that I need from the Idaho Department of Transportation, I'll be reaching out to some folks to put together uh small committee of of people to decide what do these signs look like, what colors are they, what size are they, where do they go?

36:50

It's all very important things.

36:51

Um my bringing the idea was to have them at the exit ramps on three ways, so as people exited the interstate, they could see welcome to Nampa.

36:59

Um, the problem that I learned is that uh any federally funded um road systems like the interstate, um uh they do not IT does not allow uh signage in the right-of-way areas that it is federally funded.

37:13

They do have an exception for uh being on ITD property if it is not federally funded, um, or it could of course be on private property or city property.

37:21

So um I intend to reach out.

37:23

I think I can invite two members of the council to participate on um that group committee.

37:29

So I this week I'll be sending out invites to two that I've talked to previously, and uh along with some city staff from economic development and other uh mayor's office, other departments.

37:40

And I just wanted to let you guys know that that plan was moving forward, and then we will be back before you with a concept design once we find a location that works and a sign style that everybody agrees on, and um uh bring that back to you for final approval.

37:56

Are there any questions?

37:59

Thank you, Cody.

38:00

Seeing none, thank you so much.

38:02

Thanks for the time.

38:03

Thank you.

38:05

Okay, public works.

38:38

All right, good evening, Mayor and Council.

38:42

Um I feel like I'm I'm fairly cheery when I come up here.

38:46

Uh so this one is going to be a little bit more somber.

38:48

So bear with me for a moment um as I try and provide some information for what we're looking at in the coming years.

38:55

I specifically want to speak about Elijah drain today, but before I speak about that, I'm gonna give you guys some general um knowledge about how we analyze these top types of water features and what it means.

39:09

So the first thing I want to talk about is letting you guys know that water is not technically just water here in the city of Nampa.

39:17

Um, how public works divides it, and this is very, very high level.

39:21

If it's a creek or a river, um, if one of those bridges needs replaced or Culver's needs replaced, uh hundred percent of the funding should come from streets from the transportation budget.

39:31

So for mine drains, which take both irrigation, water, and the street run-off water is shared 50-50 between transportation and irrigation.

39:40

John Spencer, so he's up here with me as well to answer questions.

39:43

And then anything that is an irrigation district is a hundred percent out of John's budget, no matter how much I want to make him pay for all of my stuff.

39:54

So the next I I want to kind of give you the difference about like what is a bridge versus uh what is a culvert.

40:00

We typically call these things crossings holistically, and it could be either one.

40:05

So I'm going to talk about all of the Elijah Drain crossings today.

40:07

But first, a bridge is anything that has an opening greater than 20 feet.

40:12

That's what we consider a bridge, and that's as it's measured along the center line of the road.

40:16

It does not have to be a single span.

40:19

It could be a giant culvert that is metal, it can be made of concrete, it can be a series of culverts all put together as long as they're close enough.

40:28

So the material doesn't matter.

40:29

It's the width of the opening.

40:31

So anything over 20 feet is typically what we consider a bridge.

40:35

The culvert is anything under 12 feet.

40:38

So I've got some pictures below.

40:39

Again, it does not matter what the material is made out of.

40:42

It can be your typical metal CMP that you see in a lot of like irrigation ditches.

40:47

It can be made out of plastic, it could be made out of concrete on the right.

40:50

It can be a stiff leg, it can be square, round, does not matter about shape, it's just about the opening lengths.

40:58

So these bridges and bridges and culverts that we have, we inspect them.

41:03

We try and inspect them annually, but we don't get them all done because we have too many and it costs too much candidly.

41:09

These inspections give us valuable information on the condition of the crossing, the defects associated with it, service life, and the safety of the structure.

41:20

So again, I'm gonna give this very high level, and I tried because this is transportation and I like it better than the water stuff.

41:25

I try to make it almost like a street light over to the right.

41:28

Um, when we get the bridge inspections, we get a condition rating from nine to zero.

41:33

Anywhere that's from like nine to seven, we consider that good in good condition.

41:37

We don't really have to worry about it.

41:39

When you get into the six and the fives, we consider it fair, we need to start watching it.

41:43

Then four and below is poor and critical.

41:46

Of all of our crossings that we inspect, um we have 298, 289, so close to remembering crossings that we inspect every single year.

42:02

23 of them are in excellent condition, 112 are in very good, 66 are in good condition.

42:08

I will say most of those are the ones over the creeks and the rivers, so the ones that are associated with the roadways only.

42:15

Uh, we have 45 that are satisfactory, 33 that are uh fair, nine in poor.

42:24

When this was done, one was in critical.

42:26

Now we have two in critical.

42:27

We have none in imminent or failed right now.

42:30

Um, but this side of the scale is when we start start worrying about things, right?

42:34

We've got 10 to 11 structures that we know are in poor or worse condition in the city of Nampa, and these are just the ones that we inspect.

42:44

But not everything's gloomy.

42:46

I want to talk about specifically Elijah Drain.

42:48

So the map right here, this is just one of the water features that runs through our beautiful city.

42:52

So I'm not looking at all of them, just focus on Elijah Drain right now.

42:56

Um, Elijah Drain has 40 crossings, it's a mix between bridges and culverts.

43:01

Three of them are on the federal highway system, two are maintained by ITD, one is maintained locally.

43:06

Um, when I say federal highway system, I mean that it's eligible for federal aid in order to replace it.

43:12

The rest of them are not twenty-six of those structures.

43:15

We hire a consultant to come and inspect them every year for us.

43:19

We use Hughes Engineering.

43:20

Um, Hughes does a really great job for us.

43:23

He is also the inspectors for Nampa Highway District One, Highway District Four, and the City of Caldwell.

43:29

This provides really good continuity between all of the different agencies in our area where we can kind of compare apples to apples when people are inspecting them.

43:39

11 of those structures along the drain have not been inspected.

43:43

Three of them are owned by the city, four are on private property, and four are on NNU property.

43:47

So 11 of the structures that I'm gonna talk about, we don't even know the condition of those.

43:52

So I want to talk about a little bit what happens when something gets into that poor and critical condition and it starts to fail and how it impacts us and how it impacts the property taxes.

44:04

This was not on our system.

44:06

This was technically on the highway districts and in the city of Caldwell.

44:09

Um, but it was one that was fairly impactful and not too long ago, so I wanted to bring it up.

44:13

It was at Elijah Drain in Midway.

44:15

It flooded about 20 homes in 2017, cost about a million dollars for them to repair that.

44:22

Um, and this was an emergency repair repair.

44:24

So think unbudgeted and very, very high impact.

44:28

This does not also include any of the impacts of actually like shutting off water, shutting off irrigation, shutting off a roadway for a long period of time.

44:38

So this doesn't count the non-mare monetary impacts that the citizens were feeling because of a closure like this in an emergency.

44:46

Another one that is on our radar and is is already failing, is at 12th and Dewey.

44:51

Um you can kind of see it big star right there.

44:53

So 12th Avenue is state highway 45.

44:56

So this one's technically ITDs.

45:00

In 2022, Hughes Engineering inspected this for us and listed it, listed it as critical.

45:04

It has taken from 2022 to now in order to get the emergency funds to replace it, design it, and now it's under construction right now.

45:12

ITD is having to pay about 1.4 million dollars for this emergency repair.

45:18

You can kind of see the interior conditions on the right hand side, the heavy corrosion, the pipe is failing.

45:24

Um and then unfortunately, the picture on the bottom left, this stacked head wall.

45:29

We've got a lot of these throughout the city of Nampa in the past.

45:32

That's basically how they used to build the head walls, and they're starting to cause problems now.

45:39

The next one, which I will be coming to the city of uh city council very very soon with request for emergency funding for repairs at Pine and Lincoln.

45:48

This is just downstream, a couple of blocks of that 12th and Elijah drain that I talked about before.

45:55

This one cropped up this year.

45:58

We ended up having to complete an underwater inspection on it.

46:01

We found 20% wall thinning over the last 13 years, so it's failing quicker and quicker.

46:06

It's gonna cost, I'm estimating around 550,000 to repair this.

46:10

Um, to put it in scale.

46:12

If this had been a planned project, we normally see a project cost about 60% of what an emergency repair would cost for something very similar like this.

46:21

You can see in the pictures on the left, the the culvert has failed.

46:26

It's creating uh sinkholes along the outside.

46:29

We ended up having to close off part of this intersection so that it didn't undermine the roadway.

46:34

Um on the right hand side, you can see the the water has eroded completely underneath the head walls.

46:39

There's large, large voids that are very problematic.

46:43

Crystal, I think you just said we have to close off part of this roadway.

46:46

It's a sidewalk.

46:48

The road is not closed, correct?

46:50

Right.

46:50

I drive that all the time.

46:51

So I just want to be clear.

46:52

Thank you for that.

46:53

We've closed off the sidewalk, but it is not impacting the road.

46:56

Not yet, yes.

46:57

Thank you.

46:59

So little tidbit for you, I will be coming to council soon with a with a hope for an amendment.

47:05

Uh the next one that has cropped up again this year on Elijah Drain.

47:10

This is just a few blocks upstream of that 12th and Dewey, uh, is at Holly and Colorado.

47:15

This is just south of the NNU campus for you guys' uh uh view on the right-hand side.

47:22

You see that that stacked head wall that I talked about before that causes problems.

47:27

Um, this is a little bit of view in this picture on the left.

47:30

You can see there's a couple inches of uh exposed gutter where the concrete is actually sagging.

47:38

That is actually what triggered off on this.

47:40

And when we went out to inspect it, not gonna play.

47:48

Um I'll give you the summary.

47:50

The entire area below this sidewalk has completely washed away down the drain, unfortunately.

47:56

This sidewalk is is in essence floating in the air.

47:59

So we have also closed this sidewalk so that it does not cause any future problems for or safety concerns.

48:05

We're designing a repair right now to see what we can do.

48:09

Uh you can see the inside condition of this.

48:11

There is corrosion coming through, so this pipe will likely be a contender for being uh lined.

48:15

It won't have to be replaced all the way, but this the stacked head wall is what's causing the problem, it's causing all of the uh material to erode away behind it.

48:23

My best estimate on this is about a half a million dollars.

48:26

This will also be coming as a budget amendment for an emergency repair.

48:30

Can I go back and ask a question?

48:32

Because I thought the last one was this one.

48:33

So is Dewey when I was clarifying that it actually I could be wrong.

48:39

Is the road closed or is it the sidewalk?

48:42

I said it as a statement, and it should have been a question.

48:44

Uh Mayor, thank you for the question.

48:46

There's technically not a sidewalk over on the Dewey.

48:51

This one right here.

48:53

Right.

48:53

Um, there is sidewalk adjacent to it, and we have shut it down so people don't do it.

48:58

Um, but I believe the intersection is still open right now.

49:01

Okay, thank you.

49:02

Uh we did shut it down uh temporarily until we could get the underwater inspectors in there to see how far the undermining had gone on the culvert.

49:10

Thank you.

49:12

Absolutely.

49:13

So these are ones that we know about our problems right now that have already failed in critical condition that we need to go and get fixed.

49:19

Um that's 40% higher than what we would pay if we had budgeted money to take care of these projects.

49:26

Here's a couple ones that we're watching that um haven't technically been listed as critical, but I want to give you an idea of them.

49:33

This is Chicago and Elijah, so on our southeast side of Nampa.

49:37

And you can see the condition of the culvert on the right.

49:40

There is very um strong evidence of the tree roots growing through the culvert.

49:45

So I would hazard to say this is likely and failed in critical condition.

49:49

You can see the tree on top of the culvert, which is also problematic.

49:52

Um, this is one that we will need to get replaced.

49:57

Clear on the other side.

50:00

So I'm giving you the whole drain photo, and I can tell you all of these are around most of the crossings on this drain were installed about 60 years ago.

50:07

So when we typically see one failure, you can anticipate a domino effect as it goes.

50:13

So this one's at midway in Moss.

50:15

Another one of those problematic stacked head walls that I keep talking about over and over again.

50:20

You can see on the right hand side, it created a little sinkhole where all the material is washing out from behind it.

50:26

We have not gone in and we have not been able to inspect this culvert yet on the condition.

50:31

So I don't know what that one looks like yet, but when we see repeated failures like this, it will get critical very soon.

50:39

So I painted a bleak picture of what this drain looks like.

50:42

And I'm like I said, we have thousands of crossings here in the city of Nampa.

50:46

I've only talked about 40 of them on Elijah drain, and of those 40, 11 we don't even look at yet.

50:51

So 30 or so.

50:52

So what do we need to do is we need to increase dedicated funding.

50:56

I know fiscal responsibility is very, very important.

50:59

Every year we budget between 400 and 500,000 for an annual culvert replacement, and we have been doing that diligently, but it's not enough.

51:07

Um obviously we're falling behind.

51:09

Um, and when something becomes critical in an emergency closure, that's when it costs more money.

51:14

So you guys will be seeing I wanted to give you a preview in the budget.

51:17

You will see an increase when it comes to culvert maintenance.

51:20

I think it's probably gonna need to be closer to a million dollars for the next few years to get us caught up on this one drain that doesn't even include all of the other crossings that John has to do.

51:30

So we need to focus on replacing the failed crossings first.

51:33

We have data on most of those, and so we can prioritize that.

51:36

Um, then we need to look at the the ones in poor condition and see if they can be saved, see if we can put some line them and make them cheaper and things like that, and then we really need to start thinking about some form of preservation program um looking at it long term to see if there's maintenance that we can do now so that you know it'll make it last another 30 or 40 years for us.

51:55

With that, I will stand for questions.

51:58

I also brought John Spencer with me, uh director of water resources, so he can answer questions on irrigation and condition of some of those types of pipes, or you know, obviously anything on the drains since we share these 50-50.

52:10

Thank you.

52:11

Council, do you have any questions for them at this time?

52:14

Yes.

52:15

Crystal, I didn't see a dollar amount.

52:16

I know it's probably difficult to calculate, but if this was a tab, do and payable right now, the fix of repairs for the deteriorated needing to be fixed today projects.

52:26

How much are we looking that we'll need to spend?

52:29

I don't have a dollar uh council council member Griffin Mayor.

52:32

I don't have that number off the top of my head, honestly.

52:35

Um I had mentioned before that we have 10 or so drains that are in poor failed condition.

52:42

You can anticipate, and I said drains crossings, you can anticipate anywhere between 500 and a million for each one of those, um, probably closer to the 500 to 750.

52:54

It depends on the length and the size, obviously.

52:56

And if it's really poor condition, then it's a full replacement versus just being able to line it.

53:00

So if we got ahead of them, um, but somewhere in the course of that, I will say those are of the crossings that we inspect.

53:09

So we inspect just shy of 300.

53:12

Um, when you look at John's irrigation ditches, and I'm sorry if I'm checking under the bus here, John, he has thousands that we do not inspect.

53:20

Um, in last year's budget, a camera was approved to do some of those underwater inspections.

53:26

So now we have the tools that some of our internal staff can start doing that and seeing the conditions of those.

53:32

Um, but uh we we don't even have a good frame of reference of the condition of them yet.

53:36

And John's team is starting to try and do some like pipe bursting and some lining in-house, which will also save a significant amount of money.

53:45

So potentially up to 10 million dollars of the failed, and I say quotes hasn't failed, but the roads have not closed today.

53:55

When I think full failure, it's the roads close, we have to do full repair.

53:58

How many of those are close, if not almost to that point where they're at full failure?

54:04

In the way I described.

54:06

I would say that the 10 that I talked about earlier.

54:09

Let me go back up to this slide.

54:14

Um, so none are full failures, which uh, like if you think about like the Midway and Elijah one that I talked about, if you um think about uh Gardy Interchange north side, some of these that we love so much and so dear to our hearts, none are there right now, and we don't want them to get to crap catastrophic failure because that's when safety is a concern.

54:34

Um, the imminent, that's when we start looking at closing it.

54:37

Um so we've got 10 that are in poor and critical.

54:41

Uh unfortunately, when you talk about deterioration of these crossings, it's not um lateral each by each.

54:49

So one could deteriorate much much faster than another one, unfortunately.

54:52

Um, so it's just increasing the frequency of inspection.

54:56

Um I think what I'd like to suggest is that we have the camera now correct.

55:02

Okay, so I think what I would recommend is that you guys bring back a report to city council that shares what your prioritization of inspection is.

55:10

Is the critical structure, the one that we're doing the emergency repair on now.

55:17

Which one is critical?

55:18

Uh because you have one is critical.

55:20

This data is based mayor.

55:22

This data is based on RGIS data.

55:23

The critical structure there was the 12th and Dewey.

55:25

So it's being fixed.

55:26

We have had one more critical structure, which is now Pine and Lincoln.

55:30

Um, and those were about the $550,000 range.

55:34

The 12th and Dewey ITD is not ours.

55:38

Um, this one's around 550 for the Pine and Lincoln.

55:41

But we're not responsible for the ITD one, correct?

55:44

Correct.

55:44

Right.

55:44

Thank goodness that we're not.

55:47

Um so I think with that, I would recommend that you guys come back with uh maybe with a longer term financial forecast for them.

55:55

I think the thing that um it would have been nice to have known when we were addressing our irrigation increase.

56:02

We they asked for a 10% increase.

56:04

We agreed to a five percent.

56:06

I understand none of us want an increase, but we've got increases.

56:11

We've got things that have to be done.

56:13

Um, the one thing that we all know, NAMPA is a large older city, not a small older city, a large older city.

56:22

So we've got, as you said, we've got a lot of crossings in in the city.

56:27

So anyway, thank you for this.

56:29

So if you guys would bring back a report, do an assessment and with your new camera, what your prioritization is, and then uh we know that we've got two that we need to address now, and then we'll have a plan as we move forward.

56:42

Thank you very much.

56:43

Council, any other comments, questions?

56:46

Okay, thank you.

56:47

So um I think planning and zoning, this is just a really quick update, right?

56:53

Clay, you'd be ready for yours quick.

56:55

We're gonna be running a little bit late, but we're gonna have to get through the first five agenda items before we step into public hearing.

57:03

Thank you, Mayor.

57:04

And council, uh, this is really quick.

57:06

We had three final plots that you had on your consent agenda, so I'm not gonna cover those.

57:10

The next one was uh annexation and zoning for um right-of-way for Cherry Lane along the East Ranch subdivision, and that one was recommended for approval and will come before you on February 17th.

57:24

And then the next one was a conditional use permit that uh planning and zoning considered and for gun-related sales and services at the 1836 East uh Selbridge Street, and that one was approved, and then the last one was annexation and zoning for orchard acres, and this was a pretty extensive project.

57:49

It had um a whole bunch of different zones BC, RMH, RML, RD, RS4, RS6, RS 8.5, and RS12, uh, and master plan community and development agreement, and uh this is west of South Robinson Boulevard, south of East Greenhurst, and north of Locust Lane, and that one uh was uh 276 acres to be platted in the future.

58:16

So it was just the annexation and the master plan community and the zoning.

58:22

Um and the planning and zoning commission considered it and they recommended denial.

58:28

Um, and this will come before you on February 17th, and we'll talk about the all the reasons for their recommendation then.

58:38

Rodney, thank you.

58:39

Council, do you have any questions for Rodney?

58:42

Just Mayor, just a quick note.

58:44

Um, our public hearings tonight.

58:45

We have several that are comprehensive plans.

58:47

Just wanted to remind you that we do these every six months, and so that's why you're getting a whole bunch all at the same time.

58:55

Um, and you'll see it again in six months from now.

58:59

Thank you, Rodney.

59:01

Appreciate it.

59:02

Okay, Clay.

59:08

Good evening, Council and Mayor for the record clay long, chief of staff.

59:11

Uh, you saw in your packet a memo that came out from Aaron from Canyon County.

59:15

I just wanted to give a high-level update of where we are with the animal shelter contract uh and the actions that have been taken so far.

59:23

So in September, the can the county released an RFP for folks to put in proposals to manage uh the facility and serve as the organization that would oversee the animal shelter.

59:37

That process um resulted in two applicants that came forward, uh, the current provider as well as the Copper Quill Haven, uh, a new organization that has uh individuals that are part of a more extensive and long-term uh facility from the Idaho Falls area, as well as the current on-call vet for West Valley.

1:00:02

The team of individuals reviewing it included NAMPA.

1:00:06

We had two representatives, myself and Captain Scoglen.

1:00:09

Caldwell had individuals, Canyon County had individuals.

1:00:12

We met went over the RFPs and ranked them to start with.

1:00:18

We then asked the two organizations to come back to give us presentations, and then from there we made a recommendation that went forward to Canyon County on the 9th of December.

1:00:32

And the county commissioners approved our recommendation and has awarded it to CopperQuill as the organization that would take that.

1:00:45

A couple of the things that were identified and that we know our initial work to be done is going through and looking at the actual counts of who's providing and who's taking animals to the facility so there can be a better allocation of those costs directly to the cost associated by the organizations that are having individuals or city entities or county provide those animals to the shelter and then set level setting a uh levels of expectations and what um the cities desire to have within that service.

1:01:21

So the county is currently working on uh with the organization what that transition date looks like, what are those milestones, and they have reached Copper Quills has reached out to meet with uh the city to have that initial conversation.

1:01:36

So I just want to provide that update.

1:01:38

I know it was uh a big discussion during budget as well, um, but uh the memo kind of lays out all of those pieces as well as the ranking that was finalized from the committee, and I'm happy to stand for any questions.

1:01:50

Mayor Clay, thank you.

1:01:51

Okay, so I have Councilman Haverfield and Councilman Bills.

1:01:54

Just a quick question are they gonna be utilizing the same facility?

1:01:57

That is correct.

1:01:57

Thank you.

1:01:58

Councilman Bills, transition, what's the time frame?

1:02:01

Um they are working on that with the county and Copper Quills as well as the animal, the current provider to identify what that looks like.

1:02:10

Um, the county's running lead on that.

1:02:12

I uh we haven't gotten any update yet from the county on some specific dates.

1:02:16

I know that Copper Quills is already wanting to meet with the impacted entities, but we haven't gotten a timeline of when that transition will be official.

1:02:25

Then where are we standing uh what we budgeted and what uh the current party was wanting uh the differential and we bridged the gap for a month or two.

1:02:36

Here we are four or five months down the road.

1:02:38

Where do we stand on all that?

1:02:39

That's a great question.

1:02:40

Um so one of the the big differences between the two proposals was the current provider uh was continuing to go with that higher amount, the 1.5 million between the three entities.

1:02:51

Uh Copper Quill provided back what was budgeted in current year budget to manage the facilities.

1:02:57

So in answer and what are we paying under the interim?

1:03:00

Are we staying with what we budgeted?

1:03:01

We are staying within our budget.

1:03:03

And we will be um one thing that Clay will be and Eric Scogland has been the liaison that we've talked about is that the city of Nampa is paying higher feed in Coldwell.

1:03:14

They will be looking at that, but we are within our budget.

1:03:17

Okay, but we made the decision we really didn't have an option.

1:03:21

Um it would have been much more expensive for us to stand something up quickly, but we are we are not going over what we budgeted, stayed right within our budget, but they're also going to be looking at the intakes and ensure that they're tracking them.

1:03:34

That's been a request that we've made.

1:03:36

Yeah.

1:03:37

Back to us subsidizing other communities.

1:03:41

Yep, you're right.

1:03:43

Any other questions?

1:03:45

Okay.

1:03:45

Okay.

1:03:46

Thank you.

1:03:47

Okay, so we've got we're running late, but we've got we've really we need to get through um five one, two, three, four, and five before we go into public hearing.

1:03:58

The first two I think are going to be very quick, so I'm going to start with them.

1:04:01

Five one is an action item, it's to authorize the mayor to sign a contract agreement with Mid-America Golf and Landscape to install a new irrigation system at Centennial Golf Course for three million eight hundred and nineteen thousand seven hundred and fifty-nine dollars and eighteen cents.

1:04:15

We discussed this at the last meeting.

1:04:18

Um, it's come back again.

1:04:21

Council, do you have any questions for Cody?

1:04:24

Make a motion to approve.

1:04:25

Second.

1:04:26

It's been uh moved and seconded.

1:04:27

Is there any discussion?

1:04:29

Roll call.

1:04:31

Yes.

1:04:33

Yes.

1:04:34

Yes.

1:04:35

Reynolds.

1:04:35

Yes.

1:04:36

Coverfield.

1:04:36

Yes.

1:04:37

All in favor, motion carries.

1:04:38

Five two is an action item.

1:04:40

It's to authorize the mayor of the public works director to sign a task order with JUB.

1:04:44

Engineers for the Pertham Lift Station Upgrade Planning Project and the amount not to exceed 128,000.

1:04:50

And this isn't approved in the FY26 budget.

1:04:54

So moved.

1:04:54

Second.

1:04:55

It's been moved and seconded.

1:04:56

Is there any discussion?

1:04:58

Roll call.

1:04:58

Jingula.

1:04:59

Yes.

1:05:00

Bills.

1:05:00

Yes.

1:05:01

Griffin.

1:05:02

Yes.

1:05:02

Reynolds.

1:05:03

Yes.

1:05:03

Haverfield.

1:05:04

Yes.

1:05:04

All in favor, motion carries.

1:05:07

So the next three items are related to sewer reimbursement, a sewer water reimbursement services.

1:05:15

So 5-3 is an action item.

1:05:17

It's to authorize the mayor to sign the sewer and water service agreement with Murphy Development for a 78-acre parcel near the intersection of Eustach Road and Canada.

1:05:28

And Mark, did you want to present or uh council?

1:05:32

Do you have any questions on this?

1:05:35

I move that we pass it.

1:05:37

Second.

1:05:38

It's been moved and seconded that we uh authorize the mayor to sign this agreement.

1:05:43

Is there any discussion?

1:05:44

Seeing none roll call.

1:05:46

Pingula.

1:05:46

Yes.

1:05:47

Haverfield.

1:05:48

Uh yes.

1:05:49

Griffin.

1:05:50

Yes.

1:05:51

Reynolds.

1:05:51

Yes.

1:05:52

Phil's.

1:05:52

Yes.

1:05:53

All in favor, motion carries.

1:05:54

5-4 is an action item.

1:05:56

This is to authorize the mayor to sign the sewer reimbursement agreement between the city of Napa and Murphy Development Company.

1:06:03

So moved.

1:06:04

It's been moved and seconded.

1:06:06

Is there any discussion?

1:06:07

Roll call.

1:06:08

Pingula.

1:06:08

Yes.

1:06:09

Haverfield.

1:06:10

Yes.

1:06:10

Griffin.

1:06:11

Yes.

1:06:11

Reynolds.

1:06:12

Yes.

1:06:12

Bills.

1:06:13

Yes.

1:06:14

All in favor, motion carries.

1:06:15

5-5 is an action item to authorize the mayor to sign the sewer reimbursement agreements between the city of Napa and six property owners represented by Idaho Holdings, LLC, Mark Bottles Real Estate.

1:06:25

They moved.

1:06:26

Second.

1:06:27

It's been moved and seconded.

1:06:28

Is there any discussion?

1:06:30

Roll call.

1:06:31

Bills.

1:06:31

Yes.

1:06:32

Haverfield.

1:06:33

Yes.

1:06:33

Griffin.

1:06:34

Yes.

1:06:34

Jingula.

1:06:35

Yes.

1:06:35

Reynolds.

1:06:36

Yes.

1:06:36

All in favor, motion carries.

1:06:38

Since you guys are here this evening, I want to pause for just a second and say thank you.

1:06:42

Thank you so much for working with legal and uh on these particular agreements.

1:06:48

Uh you've done an amazing job.

1:06:50

Thank you.

1:06:51

Thank you for investing as we need to extend and your willingness to invest as we need to extend this the Purdue drain to get out.

1:07:00

So we really appreciate it.

1:07:02

Thank you so much.

1:07:03

Thank you.

1:07:05

Okay, so it's a few minutes after six.

1:07:07

The next two new business items, I think we'll do.

1:07:10

Um Natalie needs to step away.

1:07:12

Um she will be back, so we will leave these last two until after public hearings.

1:07:18

So with that, we're gonna go to our public forum and then we'll step into public hearings.

1:07:23

And and we don't have any proclamations this evening.

1:07:25

So we do have one resident signed up for public forum this evening.

1:07:29

Madam Mayor, we do have three people signed up.

1:07:32

Okay.

1:07:32

Our first speaker is Kimra Luna.

1:07:36

And as you come forward, I'm sorry, the name again.

1:07:39

Kimra Luna.

1:07:40

Kimra Luna.

1:07:42

Is Kimra Luna here?

1:07:46

Okay, and I will say um as you guys come forward to speak.

1:07:50

We have three minutes.

1:07:52

Go ahead and state your name, your address, and you'll have three minutes.

1:07:56

So thank you.

1:07:57

Hello, hi.

1:07:58

Um, good evening, council members.

1:08:00

Um, my address is 1207 Maple Street.

1:08:03

Um, my name is Kimra Luna, and I am born and raised here in Napa, Idaho.

1:08:08

I'm 39 years old, and I'm a parent of three.

1:08:11

Recently, my 10-year-old son came home from school upset and confused.

1:08:16

He asked me what what would happen if his friend's parents were taken by ice.

1:08:22

He started crying and asked where his friends would go and who would take care of them.

1:08:26

That conversation didn't come out of nowhere.

1:08:29

Just one block from my son's bus stop.

1:08:32

Four people from the same family were detained.

1:08:35

My son put the pieces together as his school is primarily Latino kids now because Snake River School had closed and the kids all transferred to his school.

1:08:45

This is not happening far away from us.

1:08:47

It's happening where our kids wait for the bus.

1:08:51

A week before this, the NAMPA police called ICE on a couple who was simply asking for help when their vehicle caught on fire.

1:08:58

And a few days ago, ICE also attempted to detain uh workers at a construction site on Cherry where people were framing homes in a new neighborhood.

1:09:08

Um no one was detained from what we are aware, but the workers dropped their tools and ran.

1:09:13

That kind of fear doesn't disappear when vehicles and ice agents leave.

1:09:18

We've seen the police racially profile people by polling them over and asking them for their legal status and letting people go without giving them a ticket.

1:09:27

Families are afraid to leave their homes.

1:09:30

People are afraid to go to work, to shop, or to call for help in an emergency.

1:09:34

Local businesses are feeling it.

1:09:37

Our neighbors are feeling it.

1:09:39

People are terrified not only by ice, but now of the police as well.

1:09:43

As NAMPans, we are demanding answers as to why the NAMPA police department is calling ice on people who are asking for help and support.

1:09:52

And why has the city made no public statements acknowledging the presence of ice in our community for uh an um addressing the fears that have been caused?

1:10:03

We see that you, the mayor, have been giving awards to folks for their work in the Hispanic community on Facebook, but we don't see any words or even clarity on what is going on with the immigration enforcement in NAMPA.

1:10:15

Some being that affects a large portion of NAMPans, given that we have a large population of Latinos here.

1:10:22

When people are afraid to ask for help, that makes everyone here less safe.

1:10:26

I'm asking that this council to take responsibility for their role in what the city plays to set clear boundaries between law enforcement and federal and immigration enforcement and to publicly affirm the values of trust and dignity and safety for everyone who lives here.

1:10:43

Our children are watching, they are listening and they are learning what we choose to protect.

1:10:49

Public safety should mean care, not fear.

1:10:52

Thank you for your time.

1:10:58

Thank you.

1:10:59

Madam Mayor, our next speaker is Crystal Flippants.

1:11:04

Hi, Chris.

1:11:12

Go ahead and share your name and address again.

1:11:15

Thank you for allowing me to speak.

1:11:16

My name is Crystal Flippants.

1:11:18

I am uh a resident of Nampa.

1:11:21

I live at 1201 South Vonneville Drive, NAMPA.

1:11:26

And I love my community.

1:11:28

Um I'm 35 years old, and I've lived in Idaho since I was 18 years old, fresh 18 in 2009.

1:11:35

I moved here.

1:11:36

That's a longer story that I won't share today, but I love Idaho and I love my community.

1:11:41

Um so but this isn't about me.

1:11:44

Today I'm speaking on behalf of another Nampa woman, another NAMPA family.

1:11:50

Um they're an indigenous Native American family, as a matter of fact.

1:11:55

Um they have their um they have their papers and everything.

1:12:01

And um she she can't be here today because her child is in counseling, because their patriarch, their father figure was taken by ICE, they call it kidnapping.

1:12:14

I don't, I I'm I'm I'm not gonna share an opinion on that today, but um she would like to be here, and I'm gonna be here in her stead to represent her and her family and everyone who is like her and her family in NAMPA who are being scared and terrorized by ICE in our community.

1:12:34

Um ICE is traumatizing our community, and ICE is traumatizing our indigenous children, our Hispanic children.

1:12:43

If you look like me, you don't have anything to worry about.

1:12:47

I don't have anything to worry about.

1:12:48

I don't worry about that on a daily basis.

1:12:50

But you know what I do worry about?

1:12:52

I worry about my neighbors, I worry about my friends, I worry about my community, but all of my community, not just the people who look like me, but all of us.

1:13:03

We all deserve to feel safe.

1:13:06

A significant portion of our of our community right now does not feel safe due to the ICE presence in our city and the cooperation of the police, and by cooperation, I mean calling ICE when people are asking for help.

1:13:18

And it makes people not want to trust our police.

1:13:22

And I don't think that's a good thing for our community.

1:13:24

I think we need to be able to trust our police, all of us.

1:13:28

Um I'll leave it there.

1:13:33

I said what I needed to say, and uh thank you so much for hearing me, and I hope to hear something more positive in the future coming from our city council uh regarding uh this situation.

1:13:47

Thank you so much for coming tonight.

1:13:48

I appreciate you sharing.

1:13:50

Thank you.

1:13:51

Thank you, thank you.

1:13:52

Madam Mayor, our last speaker is Dominique Powell.

1:14:04

Hello, my name is Dominique Howell.

1:14:07

I am a former NAMPA resident.

1:14:09

I currently live in Boise Congressional District 2, Council District 5.

1:14:13

I am a local business owner, voting constituent.

1:14:17

Dominique, you know what?

1:14:19

I I sincerely apologize that this particular section is only for NAPA residents, and only because I have stopped someone previously that wasn't from NAMPA.

1:14:31

I'm gonna have to stay true, or it's gonna get me in really big trouble because I've got to stay consistent.

1:14:36

That's fine.

1:14:37

So it's it is noticed as only NAMPA residents hearing from our residents.

1:14:41

Is the topic the same?

1:14:44

It's similar.

1:14:45

Okay, which so I'm not gonna let you finish, and I apologize, but it is our rule, and I'm gonna be real to stay with our rules.

1:14:52

That said, um, thank you for coming.

1:14:55

Okay.

1:14:56

And um I do have a copy of my statement if you'll take it.

1:15:00

That'd be great.

1:15:00

Yes, we will.

1:15:01

We'd be happy to.

1:15:02

So, Dominique, thank you so much, and I apologize.

1:15:05

So um typically we don't provide response to testimony, but I don't we have uh two people here.

1:15:13

We have thank you so much.

1:15:14

Um counsel, we will get this all to you.

1:15:17

So we have both Eric Scogeland, thank you, and Brad Shoulders here.

1:15:21

Would either of you like to, I'm not sure who's better equipped if it should be Eric as a captain, thank you, and Brad, thank you for being here.

1:15:30

Um I will say, I would like for them to speak to what they are doing versus what they aren't doing.

1:15:36

I do want to say though, before we start, that we have met with the Idaho Hispanic Chamber.

1:15:42

In fact, I had a meeting with all the mayors across the Treasure Valley recently, and we met and they listened to um uh I just totally blinked out.

1:15:53

Um sorry, I all of a sudden I lost her name, Mati Ramos, who is the executive director of the Idaho Hispanic Chamber to talk about the very thing that you're talking about.

1:16:06

Um we definitely have a heart of compassion for what's happening, and it's very difficult.

1:16:12

Eric, could you speak to our policy um with police and what we're doing and what we're not doing?

1:16:18

Yes, Mayor, if you could.

1:16:19

Uh Mayor and Council Eric Scopelin.

1:16:21

Um so I uh you're probably a little more familiar, perhaps from conversations with the chief.

1:16:27

I know the chief has been meeting with uh members of the Hispanic community who have reached out to him and uh fielded some questions and given some responses.

1:16:37

Um we treat ICE like we do any other federal partner or other agency that reaches out to us if they have something they need assistance with, we assist those agencies as long as it falls within the purview of what we do.

1:16:50

Um at least one of the cases uh that was mentioned uh where an individual was arrested that it called in for some assistance on that edge of individual didn't have a warrant.

1:17:01

So that was the that was a circumstance when why they were arrested.

1:17:05

But when we do take action and detain or arrest people, it is because there is some crime that has occurred uh or a warrant that has been issued.

1:17:15

So um so that has been our practice, uh, and we do that regardless of whether it's ICE or whether it is DEA or FBI or whatever agency it is that we are working with.

1:17:26

So um, but our uh we so I'll I'll just leave it at that.

1:17:32

So my understanding, and just for the public, is that what we have clearly stated is that we are not searching out or looking for illegal immigrants, however, we are enforcing the law, and so if I is here, um we don't get in the way and prohibit their work because they are a federal agency and we are if they call for an assist.

1:17:59

My understanding is we have a responsibility to show up.

1:18:02

Is that correct?

1:18:03

Correct.

1:18:03

If any agency calls for our assistance and they're in NAMPA, we'll go assist them.

1:18:07

Right.

1:18:08

So the reason gonna going back to this one, because there was a warrant, that's why they were called because there was a warrant out.

1:18:18

So what we are trying to do is uphold the law if there is any criminal activity.

1:18:24

That said, this whole the season we're in is very awkward and very difficult.

1:18:29

And I'll just make a statement.

1:18:30

I am going out of office, but I'll make a statement, whether it's popular or not.

1:18:34

We need immigration reform.

1:18:36

We have a number of people that have been here for many, many years that have no criminal history that need a path to immigration.

1:18:44

They play a very important role in our community in certain in the agricultural industry, whether it's um the dairy farms and and they do so much work that we have to have done.

1:18:55

And so for those that have been here for a very long time, the question is, and it's not gonna be an easy process.

1:19:01

What is a long time?

1:19:03

It's not gonna be an easy thing, but we need to address it because there are a lot of people that are living in fear that don't have a criminal history, and that makes it very, very difficult.

1:19:16

And so um we do need to sit down and have some discussions.

1:19:20

I appreciate you guys having the courage to come and speak up.

1:19:23

Um is that we do enforce the law.

1:19:28

So if there is a criminal history, then we are going to enforce that.

1:19:34

But for the where there's no criminal history, um that we need to figure that out, and so it's something that we'll work on.

1:19:42

Um, what we don't want to do is have a situation where the people are afraid of NAMPA PD.

1:19:48

So is it Eric, is there anything else we should be sharing?

1:19:52

I want to make sure I'm representing correctly what I understand.

1:19:55

Oh, I'll I will just a point that you made.

1:20:00

We don't go out and actively seek out uh individuals who may be here illegally, that's not our mission.

1:20:04

That's ICE's mission, perhaps, or Department of Homeland Security.

1:20:09

Um so but when we encounter situations where somebody has a warrant related to that, then we do enforce that.

1:20:17

It's actually above the city of Napa when it comes to what ICE is doing.

1:20:22

That is gonna be that's a step up at the federal level, and so that would be more of a congressional discussion as far as what is happening, but um it's at the federal level versus the local level, so there is definitely a difference.

1:20:37

Is that correct?

1:20:38

I want to make sure that what I'm saying is correct.

1:20:40

Yes, but I don't disagree that we need to have a discussion.

1:20:43

So thank you guys for being here this evening.

1:20:46

And thank you for your respect when I didn't let you finish.

1:20:48

I apologize.

1:20:49

I just have to adhere to our rules.

1:20:51

So thank you so much for your grace on that.

1:20:53

Thank you.

1:20:55

Okay, so that concludes our public hearing.

1:20:57

And I'm sorry, we're a little bit late.

1:20:59

Um excuse me, our public forum.

1:21:03

Late getting started, yes.

1:21:04

Do we have someone else?

1:21:05

We actually do have one more person for our public forum.

1:21:08

I apologize.

1:21:09

Thank you.

1:21:11

And who do we have?

1:21:12

I just need uh a minute of your time.

1:21:14

Oh, so council president.

1:21:17

Today I had the uh honor and privilege of going to the VRT Compass Holiday Luncheon and Awards uh presentation, and um why I was there, they uh recognize Mayor Kling for her many years of service to COMPASS and also the BRT, and then she was given this award, a leadership and motion award um for leadership by example from an elected official.

1:21:44

Uh, this is a really high honor, and um I wanted to make sure that she was recognized tonight at our council meeting for receiving this award.

1:21:52

So thank you so much.

1:21:55

Thank you.

1:21:56

Thank you.

1:21:57

That is so sweet.

1:21:58

Thank you so much.

1:22:00

That is so kind of you, and I have to say I was extremely honored to get this award.

1:22:06

Very honored by um that leadership team.

1:22:08

So thank you so much.

1:22:10

Thank you.

1:22:12

Okay, so that concludes public forum, and now we're gonna get ready for our public hearings.

1:22:17

We have a number of public hearings this evening.

1:22:19

I think we have a total of five.

1:22:22

And um I think our first ones should be relatively short.

1:22:27

So we'll start with public hearing 8.1.

1:22:30

This is an action item.

1:22:32

It is a public hearing on the summary of the consolidated annual performance evaluation report, which is called the CAPER, and authorize the submission of the 2024 CAPER to the Department of Housing and Urban Renewal honor before December 31, 2025.

1:22:48

Matt, thank you for being here.

1:22:50

Uh good evening, Mayor Kling and Council.

1:22:52

Um pleasure to be here again with you guys.

1:22:55

Uh yep, you've summarized that quite well.

1:22:58

Um excuse me.

1:23:02

Uh this is uh annual uh performance report that I submit to HUD.

1:23:07

Um it is one of two things that requires a public hearing.

1:23:10

Uh, this one is uh is one of those.

1:23:12

Uh the CAPER is in essence a summary of what we did in the prior fiscal year.

1:23:16

Uh that's both was expenses, um, the number of people we assisted as well as I do some narrative on the uh some of the things we're doing in the community that aren't related to money, so like the things we're involved in, like Region 3 Housing Coalition, the Health Impact NAMPA stuff, uh things that we're doing in the community that doesn't necessarily involve spending funds.

1:23:34

Uh but we report out on all that, and then how do we review that here the first part of the year, and then and then uh hopefully as they usually do approve that uh caper, and then we can move on uh to getting more funding the next year.

1:23:46

Uh but this is just us providing our sort of um our responsibility to provide that, I guess.

1:23:53

Uh not sure why it's not advancing.

1:23:57

There we go.

1:23:58

Uh so uh real quickly, uh the 2024, which is what I call the annual action plan, which is the 2025 fiscal year.

1:24:07

Uh we had uh a little over a million dollars.

1:24:10

We had 1 million dollars, 25,782 18 available in that plan to expend.

1:24:16

Um, and then we also had the remaining 78,000 dollars in CARES Act funds for a total of uh of 1.1 million uh and some change, but those are the funds that were available in the plan and the remainder of that CAPER, or excuse me, the CARES Act funding.

1:24:32

Um one thing I do want to highlight real quick, it's a slightly different from the memo that I submitted um in working with finance uh just going through and doing a final reconciliation.

1:24:43

We identified two transactions uh invoices.

1:24:46

One was our second part of the year I cramp allocation that didn't get uh kind of flowed in where we could see it, and then one is an invoice for West Park that they preferred I move back to the 25 fiscal year.

1:24:57

So those weren't in our expenditure numbers.

1:25:01

I wanted to highlight them here, and I'll have highlighted where they're different in the charts in your memo in this, and then I will provide Shar at the end um the updated, and I will change all these numbers in the CAPER when I submit it to HUD.

1:25:13

But the total impact was $2,544, so nothing really major, but we want to make sure we get it in the right place.

1:25:22

Um so uh as far as the activities that were in the annual action plan.

1:25:26

Um this chart just kind of summarized the things that were funded.

1:25:31

So our public services, they fully expended all the money.

1:25:33

Uh those are uh fully expended and completed.

1:25:36

Um our home repair loan program actually came very close to expending all of its fund.

1:25:40

We fell short by about 4400, but we were able to help quite a few people this year.

1:25:44

Um Creech's court, uh, just an that activity is still active.

1:25:48

They're currently right now, they've torn it up and they're I think they're prepping to get ready to put the concrete back down.

1:25:54

So that one is underway.

1:25:55

Uh, we're hoping to have that one done by the first part of January.

1:25:57

We've had really good weather for this kind of stuff, thankfully.

1:26:00

And then um the public works uh ADA and crossing improvements, that's still also an active project underway, and uh I'm hoping that one will be finished up here in the spring of the 26th fiscal year.

1:26:12

Uh we did not move forward with any ADA improvements.

1:26:15

Uh we still have the 2023 allocation and those ADA improvements we were doing at various facilities around NAMPA.

1:26:21

So I we wanted to wait and finish those before we did any other allocation to make sure we could finish what we'd already started before we before we move on with others, because we've been having a timeliness issue.

1:26:31

So those funds will be reallocated into something in this current um fiscal year.

1:26:36

We'll find an activity with public works, parks, or facilities to make sure those funds get into something new in the current fiscal year.

1:26:42

So we're back to you to uh to help allocate those funds at a later date.

1:26:46

Matt, can you explain um I guess I'm wondering, I know the ADA is really important and we have a lot of needs, and I know that we came close, not a finding, but close because we didn't use something in an in an allotted time.

1:27:00

Can you help me understand why on our ADA facility improvements we're not able to get them done and we're having to reload reallocate those to something else?

1:27:09

I'm not sure.

1:27:10

Uh so the of the things that we picked, I think they they gave us the highest priority.

1:27:14

So those were the five buildings that we did some ADA improvements on.

1:27:16

So it was Color Lawn and the NDSC building City Hall, which is going to be happening here at the end of December, first part of January.

1:27:24

So they're making improvements to all those facilities.

1:27:26

Um, but it just took a really long time to work its way to the point where we were actually doing work.

1:27:32

And so it it took so long to develop.

1:27:34

I was worried about putting this into something new that might take another year and a half to develop because what we didn't want was to have it draw out over time.

1:27:41

So we were I would we were waiting to make sure the first ADA improvements, facility improvements got done.

1:27:47

Um, but it at this point we can put it into whatever we want.

1:27:50

So we'll probably find the thing that can be done the quickest, and we'll get that money out the door since it was last year's money.

1:27:55

We'll find something that can spend now, and then we will we can work with facilities again to identify the next list and and get it applied for, allocated, and then maybe ready to start in the next fiscal year.

1:28:07

It's kind of my hope.

1:28:08

I would like to get it in something that is sh is more shovel ready and we can do right away.

1:28:13

I guess just a quick comment.

1:28:15

Um Clay on this ADA with facilities.

1:28:18

I would because it was originally allocated to ADA.

1:28:21

I think we need to be really quick to figure out is there something we can get done that is meeting one of our ADA needs.

1:28:28

And so I would like to ask that we prioritize that if we'll be happy to go there to the ADA.

1:28:33

I'll be happy to work with them.

1:28:34

Did we get it done?

1:28:34

I'm not sure why it's taking so long.

1:28:36

So if you would I'll let you just address that, or you don't have to even speak to it tonight.

1:28:41

Let's just get it done.

1:28:42

I guess would be my comment.

1:28:43

Thank you.

1:28:44

And I know that they will.

1:28:45

Yeah, no, I have I have every confidence.

1:28:47

I it was just uh for whatever reason those five buildings just took a while to get designed and and through all the steps we needed to get through.

1:28:54

Um but uh but at this point though those are gonna be completed here in January, and so we'll be ready to move on to the next thing.

1:29:01

So I'd be happy to work with them and figure out what we can work on and what we might be able to accomplish, but uh more than happy to.

1:29:07

We can we can always come back and reallocate the facilities.

1:29:10

I'm not saying they they don't need to get it, I'm just saying we'll find something that we'll spend it.

1:29:14

I guess let me ask Councilman Bills, did you have a thought or a comment?

1:29:18

Actually, you're gonna be here longer than I'm gonna be here.

1:29:20

So if you feel differently, um I would need to be careful because I'm not gonna be here.

1:29:26

Well, my thought or comment is is uh we're losing the due diligence uh between facilities and and this side of the program, and we've got to re-kick back in the due diligence of getting things when we're seeing stuff in 24 and we're getting ready to talk about 27 budget.

1:29:44

So something's something's slipping well from my side, and I understand your side is a little different from what I'm used to in life.

1:29:52

Yeah, uh, but I I'm just looking at it, doesn't do well to do sidewalks and ADA ramp change outs in December, January.

1:30:01

Right.

1:30:01

Uh I haven't had great success on those uh surfaces always holding up.

1:30:08

So it just seems like our timing and and the reporting and so forth is dragging on my mind.

1:30:15

I don't want to try to be critical.

1:30:17

It's just we gotta energize some due diligence in several of our areas.

1:30:23

And I think enhance it, we'll just enhance our communication with the facilities department.

1:30:27

So working with Clay, um, so that we can figure out how we can get these done, and then we do have council members on that facilities review, so you can have these discussions, and so we'll just put that on your next meeting.

1:30:39

You bet that'd be great.

1:30:40

And just for a point of clarification, the t when I when I'm using 2024 action plan and 2024 CAPER, that is what HUD would call or call as a funding year.

1:30:49

So it's confusing because most of us use fiscal years as well.

1:30:52

So it I try to always separate it as just a program year.

1:30:55

So my 2024 CAPER and an act action plan is your 25 fiscal year.

1:31:01

So we're this was something that I would have hoped would have happened in this current fiscal or excuse me, the prior fiscal year, we just didn't get anything launched.

1:31:09

Um we were still finishing up something from the prior fiscal year.

1:31:13

So that was this is really only one year out with no activity, and so I although I I do not want that, uh it's uh it's not two years back, I guess is what I wanted to clarify.

1:31:24

It's really just the last fiscal year.

1:31:28

I run one year behind the fiscal year in our planning year, so I don't know why they do it that way.

1:31:32

But it's confusing.

1:31:34

It's the year that we get the grant, which is uh October of each year.

1:31:38

So and then I'm only briefly talk on talk about the CARES Act.

1:31:44

We there was a right in mid-year, there was a couple activities that we fully finally fully expended the grant.

1:31:49

Uh that one is now completed and uh no more funds outstanding, which I'm excited for.

1:31:55

I won't have to address it in next year's plan or CAPER.

1:31:59

Um, and then um I this section that's highlighted in yellow that that I cramp amount that I said we were gonna need to add in.

1:32:07

This is slightly different from what was in the packet.

1:32:10

Uh that increased the admin expenses to 11, 379 76, which is still well below the 20 percent cap.

1:32:16

Uh, we're at 16 percent on that, and public services again um fully expended their funds, but uh we were just under the 15 percent cap that is uh regulatory requirement for public service activities.

1:32:29

Um this is sort of a combined of our year-end accomplishments for activities that were completed.

1:32:35

Um so we did finish the West Park bathroom.

1:32:38

That was a big ADA improvement, um, which moved that bathroom over closer to the parking lot and tied into city services, which was really helpful.

1:32:47

Um, and then we uh all of the public services were completed.

1:32:51

Um they were um all pretty much on par, if not exceeding uh their estimated goals, and then the home repair loan program, we were able to assist 13 households last year with things like furnace, water lines, uh roof repairs, and then the the just that highlighted there in the yellow.

1:33:09

That was just the last two little bits of accomplishment we had with the CARES Act funds that uh ended up rolling up into a grand total, and then the fifth street pet ramps finished up in last this last fiscal year, and our the core um housing development on 12th Avenue.

1:33:22

That one is we anticipate will be fully leased up in uh the end of this month, early January.

1:33:28

So that that one will be counted and sort of recognized in next year's report.

1:33:33

But they're I think they're finished with construction, they're just doing the lease stuff at this point.

1:33:39

And that is try as quick as I could get through a lot of information.

1:33:44

Um I do have two action items if you want.

1:33:46

I this is the one that came in the packet.

1:33:48

I added one on if you wanted to add the language that says to include those other funds that I mentioned earlier.

1:33:54

Uh it's just kind of how you'd like to read that.

1:33:59

I guess we do need to do public comments.

1:34:01

We do have public comments, so thank you.

1:34:03

So this is the action item that you would ask for to include the identified and additional expenses.

1:34:08

Okay, thank you.

1:34:09

Thank you.

1:34:10

Council, do you have any questions for Matt before we move into public hearing?

1:34:14

Seeing none, we'll have you back if we have a question.

1:34:16

Thank you for that report, Matt.

1:34:18

Matt, thank you.

1:34:19

I know that, and just as a reminder, this CDBG funding is federal funding.

1:34:23

There is a lot of regulatory oversight that we probably don't see an experience here at the bench that Matt has to track, and you do a really good job of that, and I just want to say thank you.

1:34:35

You do a great job.

1:34:36

So this is a public hearing.

1:34:38

Madam Mayor, there is no one that requested to provide public testimony on this item.

1:34:43

Is there anyone here that had intended to provide public testimony that did not get signed up on this hearing?

1:34:51

Okay, seeing no one.

1:34:52

Um do you have any additional questions or any questions for Matt?

1:34:56

Just ask it again.

1:34:58

Seeing none, I would stand for motion to close public hearing.

1:35:01

Second.

1:35:02

All in favor?

1:35:03

Okay.

1:35:04

Any opposed?

1:35:05

Thank you.

1:35:05

What is the will of the council?

1:35:10

Council discussion.

1:35:12

Mayor, I make the motion to uh approve the action item as uh listed.

1:35:17

Is that all right if I can just say that?

1:35:19

Listed on the screen.

1:35:22

It's been moved and seconded.

1:35:23

Is there any discussion?

1:35:25

Seeing none, roll call.

1:35:27

Bills.

1:35:28

Yes.

1:35:28

Griffin.

1:35:29

Yes.

1:35:30

Reynolds.

1:35:30

Yes.

1:35:31

Have a field.

1:35:31

Yes.

1:35:32

All in favor, motion carries.

1:35:34

Matt, thank you.

1:35:34

We appreciate your work.

1:35:36

Thank you guys.

1:35:36

Thank you so much.

1:35:38

Thank you.

1:35:38

Okay, 8 2 is an action item.

1:35:40

This is a comprehensive plan text amendment.

1:35:43

It's a zoning text amendment and zoning map amendment to redefine the NAMPA downtown NAMPA core, change various chapters and sections of Title 10 where downtown is referenced or needs to be added for new form districts and change zoning designations from downtown historic to central NAMPA, downtown village to gateway business, and downtown business to gateway business, which is GB1 zoning districts for the city of Napa.

1:36:13

How are you today?

1:36:15

I'm doing well.

1:36:15

How are you?

1:36:16

Thank you.

1:36:18

All right, we'll get started here.

1:36:20

All right.

1:36:21

So uh good evening, Mayor and Council members.

1:36:23

My name is Brianna Howe, uh senior planner with the planning and zoning department.

1:36:27

Um so between myself tonight and Christy and Rodney and Doug and anyone else that might be able to answer your questions.

1:36:34

Um, we're gonna present this to you uh this evening.

1:36:37

Um we're bringing forward a comprehensive plan uh text and zoning uh text amendment along with a zoning map amendment um to adopt form-based code for downtown NAMPA to redefine the downtown Nampa core, um changing various references and code sections to reflect the new form districts and the new downtown zoning designations.

1:36:57

So why form based code for downtown NAMPA?

1:37:00

So form-based code was a top recommendation that came out of the downtown implementation plan that council adopted.

1:37:07

Um it is more explicit in what the city desires for the standards of development in downtown.

1:37:12

Um it keeps the fabric and character of downtown in place while still alleviate while alleviating that disconnect that we've had between business owners and the city and developers and property owners.

1:37:26

So how will form-based code impact downtown and the process for reviewing um development?

1:37:32

So we've called out a few key ways that this will positively impact the downtown development process here.

1:37:40

So first, um, under current code, it requires that all buildings look historic, which can be very subjective, which we have found through our review process through the various boards and commissions under the new form-based code.

1:37:52

It allows greater flexibility in the building form, which um is more objective, um, which creates certainty.

1:38:00

Um, right now the current code um has created uh a disconnect between developers, staff, boards, and commissions.

1:38:07

Um, you have each of these groups thinking a different thing on what historic means and relating to the other buildings, um, which has just been difficult for for staff when writing staff reports for developers coming in knowing what to expect and then going before the different boards and commissions and getting different um kind of responses back.

1:38:27

So, under the new form-based code, um, just really clear expectations, um, which I think is what we want to put out to the development community and our business owners.

1:38:34

Um, so less confusion is always a good thing.

1:38:39

Um, one of the things we kept hearing through this process is that the building design and review process in downtown was long and uncertain.

1:38:47

Um, the new code addresses this and it will now only be reviewed by staff.

1:38:51

Um, any appeals to staff decisions would then go before the uh design review committee.

1:38:57

Um that's exactly how we're handling industrial design review right now, so it'll be a similar process to that.

1:39:05

So, lastly, by creating this more streamlined and clear process with greater flexibility.

1:39:10

We anticipate that this will um ultimately encourage new development downtown.

1:39:16

Um, our consultant on this project um who is actually online if you have any questions for him and staff uh created um this review worksheet to ensure a smooth process for applicants so the applicant will fill this out and staff will review it.

1:39:30

So it's easy for them to use and easy for us to review.

1:39:35

So I'm gonna quickly go over the form districts here.

1:39:40

So the form-based code um will cover what was previously identified as the DH downtown historic zoning district.

1:39:47

Um this zone will now be the CN, the central NAMPA zoning district.

1:39:51

Um within the CN zone, there are five total form districts.

1:39:55

Uh the CH, the central historic, is the orange there in the center.

1:40:00

That will be the most restrictive, which is where our National Register of Historic Places district is.

1:40:07

It has about 10 buildings in it.

1:40:09

And certain architectural styles will be required in that form district.

1:40:13

The other form districts, the C11, the CD, the CR, the C16, will just have recommended architectural styles.

1:40:23

So during this process, we held several different workshops with various boards and commissions and downtown stakeholders and city council members.

1:40:31

We heard that the current historic zoning district was confusing and restrictive and misnamed, perhaps, with few buildings that were actually historic.

1:40:42

So we've reduced the historic district significantly, as you can see here, going from this whole thing being called historic to just that little piece.

1:40:49

So more aptly named.

1:40:54

Again, during this process, we heard very specific concerns.

1:40:57

Some of these from our council members, others from downtown business owners.

1:41:02

So we just wanted to quickly address how what we heard and how we addressed it in code.

1:41:07

So we heard concerns around architectural styles, so we made sure that we added in the classical and our Nouveau and modern styles.

1:41:15

Only required architectural styles are in the CH form district.

1:41:18

We heard a concern over requiring a three-story minimum height requirement.

1:41:24

So we reduced that to the requirement being a minimum of two stories in all form districts.

1:41:30

Certain uh nuisance uses being permitted.

1:41:33

So we ensured that the following uses are not permitted anywhere in the central NAMPA zone, sexually oriented businesses on mobile sales and on local service uses, drug paraphernalia store, vape store, outdoor storage, storage facilities, payday lending establishments, and drive-thru establishments.

1:41:48

So those will not be allowed anywhere in that CN zoning district.

1:41:53

And then projects, the last thing, the big thing we heard that projects going before the Arts and Historic Preservation Commission were going before them unnecessarily.

1:42:01

So again, we removed this requirement that projects go before AHPC for a recommendation, unless they're listed on the National Register of Historic Places or are eligible for the National Register of Historic Places, which are only 26 buildings out of the 116 of the surveyed area.

1:42:18

So very few will have to go through that more restrictive process.

1:42:25

So I'm going to briefly go over the development standards.

1:42:29

Many of you have seen this when we held our workshops.

1:42:31

You'll see similar slides here.

1:42:33

And again, our consultant is online if you have more specific questions.

1:42:39

So form-based code is regulated by four major parameters: furniture type, building type, form district, signage, and then use.

1:42:50

So the form is really what's regulated.

1:42:52

So the stepback and setbacks in the pedestrian space in front of the building.

1:42:57

Form-based code is more focused on how the building interacts with that pedestrian space rather than the use that's in the building.

1:43:06

So the depending on the frontage type and the street type, you're going to have different standards that reflect what that pedestrian area should look like and how the building should interact with that.

1:43:20

And these are the permitted architectural styles.

1:43:23

These are required in the CH form district and recommended in the other districts, as I said earlier.

1:43:29

There are also specific architectural features such as roof style, storefront materials that are either required or recommended based on the form district.

1:43:41

So I'm going to move on from the form-based code specifically and just talk about the comprehensive plan text amendments that had to be done in conjunction with this.

1:43:51

So we are updating the text of the NAMPA 2040 comprehensive plan to address the changes to the downtown core.

1:43:58

In chapter five, we added a section for the downtown land use designation.

1:44:04

In chapter four, we made a small change to update a known downtown event.

1:44:10

Just change the name there.

1:44:35

And then the exhibit in chapter five was also updated to include the downtown designation.

1:44:42

And then we there it goes.

1:44:52

Idaho law requires that the city develop a comprehensive plan and that the plan include all of it, all relevant conditions and trends.

1:45:00

So unlike zoning uh codes, the comp plan can be flexible and subject to change as desired by city council.

1:45:10

These are the proposed findings for the comprehensive plan text amendments.

1:45:14

And I'm going to turn the rest of the time over to Christy to cover the zoning text amendments and zoning map amendments.

1:45:22

Thank you, Ruby.

1:45:23

Great job.

1:45:25

Thank you, Mayor.

1:45:26

Council Christy Watkins, principal planner for the city of Nampa.

1:45:31

This will probably look familiar to you.

1:45:33

We brought this to you a couple months ago to ask how you want us to handle this.

1:45:37

This area right here is what we lovingly refer to as our downtown core.

1:45:42

It is going to remain downtown on the future land use map in the comprehensive plan as a designation.

1:45:50

And what that does is it allows us to insert certain exceptions into our regular code for this area that is in the downtown designation.

1:46:00

But the DB, D V and DH zones will change.

1:46:16

And then the DH will be changed to C N.

1:46:23

So the facts for rezoning the proposed CN, GB1 and GB2 zoning districts will be permitted zones under the comprehensive plan future land use map designation of downtown should this request get approved, because that's exactly what Bree was just talking about.

1:46:39

We have to make some text amendments within that comprehensive plan to make all this work.

1:46:44

The DH zone will change to CN again, DV to GB2, DB to GB1, both would be regulated under Chapter 4, again, with some exceptions for just those areas that are within the downtown designation.

1:47:02

The proposed zoning does comply with the definitions for compatibility density and smart growth.

1:47:07

The staff conducted extensive comparisons of the uses and the design standards to ensure compatible transition between both existing uses in the zones and with the surrounding properties that may be in different zones.

1:47:24

So we have the BC zone, the IL zone, the IH zone.

1:47:28

There is some multifamily and some limited multifamily.

1:47:47

So why does it require a conditional use permit for multifamily downtown?

1:47:53

In the GB2 zone.

1:47:55

So the GB zone is a commer G B1, sorry, is a commercial zone.

1:47:59

It doesn't allow any residential.

1:48:01

The G B2 then is the transition zone for that.

1:48:05

And then they require conditional use permit.

1:48:08

And the reason for that is because if we are putting residential next to commercial or vice versa, then we can put some conditions on those developments to kind of buffer each other.

1:48:18

Okay, so if we have housing want to come in.

1:48:20

I just note I was just noticing I just had some meetings on we've had a lot of discussion about attainable housing, yes, and needing attainable housing.

1:48:29

Had a discussion just recently with some people interested, but as I'm looking at the uh could you go back to your map?

1:48:38

Um so GB2, where does GB one starts at 6th Street?

1:48:47

Sixth Avenue, correct.

1:48:48

Sixth Avenue, which Fifth Avenue is right there, right next to us.

1:48:54

Okay.

1:48:55

So if we go over further, I'm just trying to think, it's in that, I guess it's in G V two, maybe not in G V one.

1:49:03

Okay.

1:49:04

My concern is is that we uh we make a decision and we cannot do some housing right here that really would be a good location with some commercial down below and some attainable housing up above.

1:49:16

Yeah, and as you get closer to away from the main corridors like north or um yeah, north side and the boulevard out there by Fred Meyer, as you move more towards downtown, that's where the residential will start to pick up, and then in the CN zone, it's allowed outright.

1:49:34

I'm just noticing in it's at 6th Street, so it goes to fifth here where none is allowed, and then you go over one block and it is allowed.

1:49:44

Yes, with a conditional use permit.

1:49:45

With a conditional use permit.

1:49:47

I'm still confused on why we need a conditional use permit.

1:49:50

Is it just to regulate what goes in?

1:50:00

And when we did our analysis of this, those were the two zones that were most closely related to what we already have.

1:50:05

And so we were trying to kind of fit them into that box.

1:50:09

Um the GB2 zone has always required a conditional use permit for multifamily, and so we just kept it that way.

1:50:16

As we approve it, does it because it's called G V2 and we're trying to replicate something someplace else?

1:50:24

Um, I guess what I my thought is, and I again I know I'm gonna be gone, but we need to make attainable housing attainable.

1:50:32

If we create too many hurdles for a developer to come in and get it done, we're not gonna get it done.

1:50:38

And so as I'm thinking about this G V2, even for them to have to come in and get a variance.

1:50:45

There's a lot of work that has to go in to get a variance, and and that may not be in our best interest as a community to put too many hurdles in there, we may not get it done, and it's an added cost to our developers to come in and get it done.

1:50:58

So I know we're trying to replicate, but it just occurred to me that this may be a hurdle that we're creating for some attainable housing.

1:51:07

So a conditional use permit costs $350, and it goes to the planning and zoning commission only.

1:51:14

Um it's not too difficult to do, it is still an extra hurdle.

1:51:18

I totally understand that.

1:51:20

Um, it's not a big hurdle.

1:51:24

Okay, thank you.

1:51:27

Yes, so some correspondence or comments that were uh I think sent to council who was talking fourth street, and the ability to do commercial on the north side of fourth uh and the impact of residential across the street.

1:51:56

So is there gonna be somebody comes in and proposes a project that may be commercial down and some residential up or just commercial uh transforming uh some of that area across the street will be existing residential correct?

1:52:16

That's correct.

1:52:17

Okay.

1:52:19

Is there anything that is going to require a public hearing with a submission?

1:52:26

Or is it basically we adopt this and it meets the GB1 that somebody could come in and purchase some property one way or the other and go ahead and move forward on a commercial project?

1:52:42

Um councilman Bills.

1:52:43

Um the reason that we chose the GB1 district for this one is because it was the most uh aptly suited to what we were already doing.

1:52:52

Um they can already do that in the zone that we have now.

1:52:56

Okay, um, and we haven't seen that be a problem.

1:53:00

Um we have city hall here where we're standing, um, and then the hotel that went up um across from the Civic Center.

1:53:09

Um all of that is commercial, but you know, it's a services for the residences, and so we haven't really seen um too much conflict there, and it doesn't change really the uses that are already allowed.

1:53:25

Okay, that clarifies just I'm just trying to get the clarity based on the correspondence.

1:53:31

So thank you.

1:53:32

Absolutely, thank you.

1:53:33

Mayor, yes, uh, this Rami.

1:53:35

Uh I just wanted to confirm what has been stated here.

1:53:38

I'm looking at the uh land use table right now, and it almost matches almost exactly.

1:53:44

So G B1 is the same as that uh DB zone that it currently is, so it really doesn't change anything in a business combined or residential unit combined with a business is permitted in both.

1:54:00

Thank you.

1:54:01

Okay, all right.

1:54:04

Um rezoning the properties again will have little to no effect on the existing properties or the uses.

1:54:11

The proposed zoning compliance uh with those definitions.

1:54:14

City codes are written to protect the public interest by providing guidance for development, um, and this will help with that by getting rid of those downtown zones.

1:54:26

Um City of Napa adopted the downtown implementation plan in October, um, and it outlined specific recommendations.

1:54:33

One of those was to rezone uh the DH zoning district to CN.

1:54:37

Um by doing that, we then have to kind of deal with the leftover two downtown zones, and this is our solution to that.

1:54:47

So adding the form districts and corresponding code language will serve to provide a clear expectation.

1:54:52

Uh currently, NAMPA City Code, Title 10, Chapter 15 provides all of the requirements for our downtown subdistricts.

1:55:00

A rezone for all the downtown zones is requested to accomplish this.

1:55:05

A number of amendments are required.

1:55:07

One of these required amendments is a zoning map amendment to change the zoning designations.

1:55:15

So that's the rezone of those three zones.

1:55:19

This now is the text amendments that have to come along with that.

1:55:24

So we did an extensive extensive search of our code for the DB, DV, and DH references, and I'm gonna walk you through all the places that we found those.

1:55:35

So in chapter one, um we are proposing to remove the definition for early 20th century architecture because inform-based code there is a number of different styles of architecture that will be allowed.

1:55:47

Um we are removing all references to the DH zone as they will be then referred to as CN if they're applicable.

1:55:55

Reference to the downtown implementation plan for streetscape standards.

1:56:00

We will replace again DHDV and DB with CN and then let the GB1 and the GB2 handle the other two.

1:56:10

Again, chapter 22, same thing, replacing DH with C N.

1:56:15

Chapter 28, replacing all three of them with C N and then referencing the GB1 and G V two.

1:56:22

In chapter three, we have columns that were specific to those zones.

1:56:26

We will be removing the DB and the DV, and then we will be changing the DH to CN.

1:56:33

And then in our form-based code chapter, we'll have very specific charts for the uses that are allowed in the CN zone, which is our downtown.

1:56:42

They will not be using chapter three to find the uses, they will be using chapter 15 to find those uses because they're they're more clearly outlined there.

1:56:53

Um in chapter 34 is our design review chapter.

1:56:56

So DH becomes CN, and we will use the form-based code to to uh do any kind of review for projects down in that zone.

1:57:05

Um any mention of DH is being removed from the chapter, and then all of chapter 15 is being replaced with that 144 pages of form-based code.

1:57:18

This is chapter 4.

1:57:19

So this is our GB1 and GB2 zones.

1:57:23

Um, this is where we're making reference to those areas that are designated as downtown still on the future land use map, but are in the GB zones.

1:57:32

Um we have right now a front yard setback of 35 feet in our regular gateway business zones.

1:57:39

Um, the properties in the downtown core aren't that deep, and so we have left it at 10 feet, and what that does is it pulls those buildings forward a little bit and gives it a more pedestrian-friendly um environment, more accessibility directly from the sidewalk, that kind of thing.

1:57:56

Um we also did the same thing for the parking and building setbacks.

1:58:00

Um, and then we had we did some clarification with the landscaping berms.

1:58:04

Um, we still require a landscape berm in our regular GB zones, but in the downtown um we took that requirement away as an exception for those downtown zones because it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a berm in front of some of those smaller properties like that.

1:58:20

It's not very inviting.

1:58:24

We did not receive any comments from the public.

1:58:28

Um I don't know that if you guys received anything.

1:58:32

I was not aware of it.

1:58:33

Um agency and department comments received indicated no comments or concerns, and then these are your potential motions.

1:58:41

I'll stand for any questions.

1:58:44

Christy, thank you.

1:58:45

This has been a heavy lift.

1:58:46

We've had a number of different meetings on this.

1:58:48

There's a lot to look at.

1:58:50

Thank you for your work.

1:58:52

We thank you also for your work.

1:58:54

Council, do you have any questions?

1:58:57

No, I know we've had some workshops on this, and we've gone over it.

1:59:00

We've talked we've talked it to death as you just said.

1:59:03

Yes, we have, just to make sure, but okay.

1:59:06

So I'm not seeing any questions from here, so thank you.

1:59:08

Thank you.

1:59:09

So this is a public hearing, and Madam Mayor, no one has requested to provide public testimony on this item.

1:59:15

Is there anyone here this evening that had intended to testify on this particular public hearing?

1:59:22

Good evening, Mark.

1:59:24

Thank you for giving your name and address.

1:59:27

I've got to memorize Mark Mitchell 123 by 5 Landau Way nearby.

1:59:31

Um question on the parking part of it, because we did own a home on 9th Avenue and between third and fourth.

1:59:38

Um that is where you've got commercial on third and ninth on the corners.

1:59:44

The parking you could do diagonally there, but when you got to ours, the there was curb grass sidewalk.

1:59:54

If we could have taken out the curb and grass, then you still could diagonal because there is professional building, it is on residential professional.

2:00:02

So we did run into some parking issues, I should say.

2:00:06

So that would be my and I noticed that you mentioned parking, so I'm not sure if that's if that's an upgrade that you're going to do if they're going to allow commercial and require that parking to be added because it can become a real cluster muck with if you just do it curb curbside.

2:00:23

It's a nightmare.

2:00:25

So anyway, that's just my two cents work.

2:00:27

Thank you.

2:00:28

I appreciate that.

2:00:29

Welcome.

2:00:30

And Christy, I'm gonna have you guys come back and answer that question.

2:00:33

However, I'll ask is there anyone else here that had intended to testify this evening?

2:00:38

Yes.

2:00:41

And thank you for going ahead and giving your name and address.

2:00:44

Uh yes, my name is Morgan Treasurer with the Economic Development Department.

2:00:50

Um, I just wanted to come and support my friends here in planning and zoning.

2:00:57

Um, we also participated with both the uh downtown Nampa Association and the Arts and Historic Preservation Commission with all of those meetings, the workshops and all the talking.

2:01:10

I just wanted to make sure we had on the record that those groups participated in the process and were um giving their comment the whole way um across the board.

2:01:20

I thought I know sometimes when we get to the decision making and reflect, that always comes up.

2:01:25

Did we talk to everyone?

2:01:26

And we did talk to everyone.

2:01:28

We also had some additional conversations with the individual property owners and developers that work extensively in NAMPA, and they were incredibly supportive of this effort.

2:01:38

Um Brie did a great job in her presentation talking about the levels of confusion and ambiguity that come up for anybody who's looking at developing in downtown, and this effort allows those property owners and investors to hand a piece of code over to their architects and their engineers so that they can take a project back to the city that fits within defined parameters.

2:02:06

It gets rid of a lot of that subjective decision making that we've seen be a problem.

2:02:13

Morgan, thank you so much for that testimony.

2:02:15

I appreciate it.

2:02:16

Council, do you have any questions for Morgan?

2:02:18

That was I appreciate it.

2:02:20

Thank you so much.

2:02:21

Thank you.

2:02:23

Okay, is there anyone else that had intended to testify?

2:02:27

So see no one.

2:02:29

Um I don't know who wants to come back, Christy or Bree and talk about the parking.

2:02:33

Daniel, hi.

2:02:35

Thank you.

2:02:37

Mayor, Council.

2:02:38

The the parking that was being referenced is right-of-way parking that the zoning code does not cover.

2:02:45

Um, and so when we look at that right-of-way parking um in the commercial and the downtown kind of core area, that's how that's been developed.

2:02:54

The residential properties, their curbs and gutters are still out, and there's parallel parking along there.

2:03:01

Um, as those areas transition, um, depending on the type of business and the location, we have transition areas to angled diagonal parking along those frontages in the path.

2:03:15

It's really a case-by-case basis and an evaluation to determine if that's what's appropriate in that case.

2:03:22

Um, there isn't a code that requires it or disallows it.

2:03:28

Okay, so I think that sounds good because as you just said, there isn't a code that allows it or disallows it.

2:03:35

It can be done.

2:03:37

I know thank you.

2:03:39

That answers your question.

2:03:40

Perfect.

2:03:41

Thank you so much.

2:03:42

Mayor, yes, let me just add one thing there that um the code still does require off-street parking for new development.

2:03:51

So if if they were to tear down a building or something, we would still require the new development to have off-street parking in the GB1 and the GB2 zones.

2:04:02

It's tear down, but if someone has an existing property and it's existing, and they just want to adjust the parking, there is a path possibly for yes.

2:04:12

Okay, thank you.

2:04:14

Appreciate that.

2:04:15

Okay.

2:04:16

Um do you have any closing comments?

2:04:20

Christy or Bree, anything you want to share?

2:04:22

Council, do you have any questions for staff?

2:04:25

Okay, seeing none, I would stand for a motion to close public hearing.

2:04:29

Second.

2:04:30

All in favor?

2:04:31

Any opposed?

2:04:32

Thank you.

2:04:33

What is the will of the council?

2:04:34

Mayor?

2:04:35

Yes.

2:04:35

I move to approve the comprehensive plan text amendment as stated on the screen.

2:04:40

Second.

2:04:41

It's been moved and seconded.

2:04:42

Is there any discussion?

2:04:44

Roll call.

2:04:45

Bills.

2:04:46

Yes, Reynolds.

2:04:47

Yes.

2:04:48

Haverfield.

2:04:48

Yes.

2:04:49

Griffin.

2:04:49

Yes.

2:04:50

All in favor, motion carries.

2:04:52

Thank you.

2:04:52

Okay, so we have one more comprehensive plan map amendment.

2:04:56

Then we're going to take a brief break, and then we're going to come back for the last two public hearings, just so council's aware of that.

2:05:02

So we're going to move to 8.3.

2:05:03

This is an action item.

2:05:04

This is a comprehensive plan map amendment from medium density residential to industrial for eight parcels located at 1627, 1704, 1705, and 1811 East Florida Avenue 00, 1820, and 1722 East Iowa Avenue for the City of Napa and David Snow.

2:05:24

The original concept is properties currently contain industrial uses but are designated as medium density residential.

2:05:31

The request is to align the comprehensive plan, future land use designations with the current uses.

2:05:42

Thank you.

2:05:43

Go ahead and come forward.

2:05:45

Whoever's going to speak this evening.

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Thank you and give us your name and address.

2:05:50

Good morning.

2:05:51

Good evening.

2:05:51

It's nighttime.

2:05:52

Excuse me.

2:05:55

There, yeah.

2:05:56

Mayor and council members, thank you for letting me be here.

2:05:59

Mayor Kling, thank you for your eight years of service.

2:06:01

I think this is your last meeting, and um you've just been awesome.

2:06:05

So thank you.

2:06:05

Thank you.

2:06:06

And Councilman Halverfield, thank you for your 12 years of service.

2:06:09

Thank you.

2:06:10

Yeah.

2:06:10

So for the record, my name is Carrie Smith, and I'm here representing David Snow, the owner and operator of the landscaping business, Clearwater Landscape on East Iowa Avenue.

2:06:21

The request before you tonight is not about introducing a new industrial use into a residential neighborhood.

2:06:27

It is about aligning the city's future land use map with long-standing existing conditions.

2:06:32

Something your planning and zoning commission, long-range planning staff, Canyon County, the Fire District, and every reviewing agency have found appropriate.

2:06:40

A bit of history here matters.

2:06:43

Mr.

2:06:43

Snow purchased the parcel on East Iowa in 2014.

2:06:48

Prior to that purchase, he contacted the city of Nampa and city representatives expressed interest in annexing the parcel as light industrial.

2:06:57

At that time, his business was small, and the site was used minimally, primarily for parking of clear water vehicles.

2:07:06

Over time, he acquired additional parcels in 2017, 18 and 2023, not for speculation, but to support the existing landscaping operation, growing and storing trees and shrubs, staging equipment, and operating a small business that serves this community.

2:07:24

These parcels are uniquely situated for that use because they are centrally located in the Treasure Valley, buffered to the north by the seed business and surrounded primarily by rural character residential uses with some single family residential rather than urban-style neighborhood development.

2:07:43

It also is important to recognize that Mr.

2:07:46

Snow's landscaping operation itself functions as a transitional buffer.

2:07:50

Rather than placing high intensity industrial activity directly adjacent to rural residences, this use, largely outdoor plant material, limited structures, and seasonal activity creates a lower impact transition between the seed business and nearby homes.

2:08:07

In planning terms, this is a graduated edge, not an incompatibility.

2:08:12

It softens impacts instead of intensifying them.

2:08:16

That context is reflected throughout the staff report.

2:08:19

The city acknowledges that this area has evolved through multiple future land use designations over time from light industrial to employment center to medium density residential.

2:08:30

While existing industrial uses never left, what is out of alignment today is not the use of the land but the map designation.

2:08:39

I also want to address neighbor concerns directly and respectfully that were found in the staff report.

2:08:45

Mr.

2:08:46

Snow has consistently worked to be a good neighbor.

2:08:49

He currently provides free landscape maintenance to both adjacent neighbors.

2:08:53

He has installed privacy landscaping in key locations to reduce visual impacts and improve security.

2:09:00

When neighbors ask for help in the vicinity, whether it includes materials or service, he also provides those.

2:09:08

On the limited occasions when concerns have been raised, such as employee behavior, speed, or loud music, those issues were addressed immediately and corrected.

2:09:17

They were isolated, not systemic events.

2:09:20

Regarding the complaint about debris and grass clippings near the Elijah Drain, Mr.

2:09:25

Snow has been clear that it was grass clippings placed with the intent of weed suppression.

2:09:30

Once notified that it was considered a nuisance, the materials were removed immediately, and all green waste is now taken to an approved recycling facility.

2:09:40

City code compliance staff recently confirmed that there are no ongoing violations, and that's also in the staff report.

2:09:47

Both neighbors who raised concerns stated they would support this proposal if reasonable conditions were included.

2:09:53

And that is an important note.

2:09:55

And that brings me to annexation and zoning.

2:09:58

When Mr.

2:10:00

Snow applies for annexation and zoning in the near future, he understands and agrees that this is the appropriate stage for conditions to prevent incompatibility with surrounding land uses, the residential ones.

2:10:11

He is willing to accept the city's recommended framework, which includes light industrial zoning only, require buffers and screening, limitations on operating hours, and restrictions on high impact industrial activities.

2:10:24

Annexation does not reduce oversight, it increases it.

2:10:28

It brings these parcels fully under city authority, allowing conditions to be clearly defined, enforced, and carried forward with the land.

2:10:36

This request is not spot zoning for a new industrial island.

2:10:40

It is not an invitation for heavy industry.

2:10:43

It is a map correction that reflects reality, strengthens regulatory control, and creates a clear long-term framework for both the businesses and nearby residents.

2:10:53

If this amendment is denied, the existing businesses do not disappear.

2:10:57

The industrial activity remains.

2:11:00

What is lost is the city, the city's ability to manage it proactively through annexation zoning and enforceable conditions.

2:11:07

Approving this amendment reduces uncertainty, aligns the comprehensive plan with existing conditions, and supports a responsible low impact transition between industrial and residential uses.

2:11:19

Exactly what good planning is meant to do.

2:11:21

On behalf of Mr.

2:11:22

Snow, we respectfully ask you to approve the comprehensive plan amendment to industrial, consistent with your planning and zoning commission's recommendation as well as staff's recommendation and their findings.

2:11:33

Thank you for your time and thoughtful discussion and consideration tonight, and I will stand for any questions.

2:11:39

Thank you very much.

2:11:39

Yes, Councilman Bills.

2:11:41

So I understand existing industrial buildings north of the drain.

2:11:47

And those coming into compliance far as an IL zone.

2:11:51

Please explain south of the drain how that land is an existing industrial when it hasn't served that until the expansion of the operation that's taking place there.

2:12:07

Um he has been in um in operation for over 10 years on that site.

2:12:12

And so it was through the county.

2:12:14

However, um the property through the county is zoned residential, and so um I would admit that the property probably has been operating outside of the parameters of the county.

2:12:29

Um it has been operating harmoniously for 10 years until recently.

2:12:35

Mr.

2:12:35

Snow acquired the most recent piece, which um one of the neighbors complained and started a code enforcement case in Canyon County when the violation was um brought up.

2:12:46

And so Mr.

2:12:48

Snow elected to work with the city, especially since the industrial activity on a very large parcel to the north existed, and so it would not constitute spot zoning as far as the city be based on a comp plan amendment and um neighboring industrial.

2:13:07

And this does provide a really good buffer with a very low intensity use that is a good transition to those neighborhoods.

2:13:16

So have another question.

2:13:17

Then how is it?

2:13:19

I don't understand the buffer to take uh industrial IL.

2:13:24

So it's a mowing business right now and a few other ancillaries, but nothing prevents from once that zones there for setting up a whole different use.

2:13:35

I totally agree with you.

2:13:36

Say again, I totally agree with you.

2:13:38

And so when the property goes through annexation and zoning, um, we would propose very limiting conditions so that higher intensity or other types of uses would not be permitted there.

2:13:52

And so um we feel obligated as well to protect the neighbors from those higher intensity uses.

2:13:58

So a development agreement would be signed limiting it to that use.

2:14:04

But IL zone seems like that's a that's a big step for here, considering the residential that is around this property, uh, even though some properties are still one to three acres.

2:14:19

It just seems we're opening the door to bring IL and heavy industrial, and I understand you're saying that I'm not seeing that as part of this application as far as restrictions be in place.

2:14:32

Right, um, because that wasn't the option yet.

2:14:35

So staff recommended moving forward with just the comprehensive plan right now to change the designation to industrial, and then we would work with staff on what the appropriate zoning would be that would fall in line with the industrial designation.

2:14:52

Well, that's one step, but I don't seem to me once we grant comprehensive plan for it industrial, then the doors open pretty wide.

2:15:01

That would be a good question for staff.

2:15:03

Thank you.

2:15:03

Thank you.

2:15:04

How about a statement?

2:15:07

Wait for staff to be able to answer the question.

2:15:09

Yeah, we'll let staff speak to that.

2:15:11

That's okay.

2:15:12

Okay.

2:15:13

Any other questions?

2:15:15

Carrie, thank you so much.

2:15:16

Appreciate it.

2:15:17

We'll move to staff presentation and then we'll have you back.

2:15:22

Hey Christy, I think you hear our questions, so you'll know what you can address.

2:15:26

Thank you.

2:15:28

Counsel.

2:15:29

Uh Christy Watkins, principal planner for the city of Yampa.

2:15:32

Um, as stated, the request tonight is strictly just for the comprehensive plan map amendment.

2:15:39

Um to explore options.

2:15:43

Um, if this gets approved, he stated that he would then move forward with annexation, and at that time we would be able to put conditions on that annexation.

2:15:53

Um, that is also our long-range planner's um suggestion as well to put certain conditions on these properties if they if they choose to annex.

2:16:02

Um, this is uh an exercise to see if you are willing to go that direction before we go down the road of annexation.

2:16:15

So the four Iowa address parcels are under Canyon County jurisdiction currently.

2:16:20

They're pending Canyon County code compliance issues for an existing landscaping company.

2:16:25

Um they are in the city's impact area and designated as medium density residential on the future land use map.

2:16:32

The four Florida Avenue address parcels are within the city limits and zoned IL already.

2:16:37

Um, there has been an existing seed company in operation there for a number of years because of the old railroad spur, um, and that is now the Stottered Pathway, they no longer use that.

2:16:48

Um, all immediate the surrounding um land uses are residential to some extent.

2:16:55

Um, there is an RS6 um subdivision to the north.

2:16:59

There is Canny County single family residential large lots to the south.

2:17:04

Um, to the east, there is an RS6 single family residential zone subdivision, and to the west again, Canyon County large residential, and then immediately to the north of these properties on Iowa is the seed company and the drain.

2:17:25

So the existing sea company um is currently connected to city water only, they do not have sewer services there.

2:17:34

The landscaping company on Iowa has uh pressurized irrigation, sewer, and water all available to it at this time.

2:17:44

So she talked a little bit about uh the land use designation history, and I just want to address that.

2:17:50

Um in 2014, as it was stated that when he purchased this property, he came and talked to the city.

2:17:56

Um at that time, there was kind of a unspoken policy that if you were adjacent to a certain zone, you could request that zone.

2:18:05

Um the policy since Rodney and I came in 2019.

2:18:11

Um, we are looking for more guidance from the comprehensive plan, and we're trying to follow what the comprehensive plan is telling us.

2:18:19

So in January of 2004, um the comprehensive plan future land use map showed that just the seed company as light industrial and everything to the south was medium density residential in 2012.

2:18:35

Um, this entire area was designated as an employment center, and that was in an effort to do more infill type of projects where we might bring um higher density housing projects and more commercial services to a more central area with residential in it.

2:18:53

Um it did not develop out that way when it we went through our update in 2019-2020.

2:19:00

Um it was determined that maybe it was just best to keep it all medium density residential, and maybe it would redevelop in that way.

2:19:09

Um that has not happened either.

2:19:12

So comprehensive plan amendments are really your call.

2:19:17

It's up to you to decide if this is appropriate or not appropriate.

2:19:21

Um, it's pretty flexible as far as state code goes.

2:19:26

Um, it's something that you guys decide.

2:19:30

Because it is intended to be guidance for our community and for developers, we only allow it to be changed by the applicant twice a year, as Rodney stated earlier, so that's why you're hearing it so many of them tonight.

2:19:44

So these are the facts that were listed in your staff report.

2:19:47

Um, I kind of have walked through quite a few of these just in my presentation already.

2:19:52

The correspondence that was received, um she went through that.

2:20:00

They talk about dumping piles of concrete and debris, scraps of sod and grass clippings near the drain, um, that if there is a smell and that the flies are unbearable.

2:20:06

Um then another gentleman commented um had a list of extensive comments about creating an industrial island within a residential fabric.

2:20:17

Um and then the fire department um had some comments about access to the property, and they will probably have more comments if this property chooses to annex.

2:20:32

Um there were no conditions of approval because those will be placed um if this property chooses to annex into the city.

2:20:39

Oops, sorry about that.

2:20:41

And these are your potential motions.

2:20:43

I'll stand for any questions.

2:20:45

Christy, thank you.

2:20:46

Thank you.

2:20:46

Okay, council questions.

2:20:49

You have any, would you like to ask additional questions?

2:20:54

Uh no, I uh I'm opposed, so from my my perspective, can we divide this and and the existing industrial light industrial buildings get zoned and leave the south of the drain uh as uh as a residential councilman bills?

2:21:13

Um probably not necessary at this point.

2:21:16

The seed companies existing, it exists in the I.

2:21:20

Nothing for that property will change.

2:21:23

Um they won't be in violation of any codes at this time unless they choose to completely raise the property and redevelop it, then it would redevelop as medium density residential.

2:21:36

Okay, so uh if we're opposed to south of the drain being changed IAL, then we would move to deny.

2:21:44

Well, yeah, and we're not into the public hearing yet.

2:21:48

So typically before public hearing.

2:21:51

I'm not making a motion, I'm just asking the question of direction.

2:21:53

Just uh revealing your thoughts, I guess is what's happening.

2:21:57

So we want to not reveal your opinions until after public hearing.

2:22:01

Mayor?

2:22:02

It yes, so I can I just legal's good.

2:22:04

It makes it are we able to attach a development agreement uh in this sense as well if it's a comprehensive map amendment because it's a specific application, or is there no development agreement that could be attached to this approval or denial?

2:22:21

Uh mayor, councilman Griffin, typically your DAs are when you do an initial zoning.

2:22:25

Um here we're doing a uh comp plan amendment is all.

2:22:30

Um there's no initial zoning designation.

2:22:33

Those are the we typically do it only in those instances.

2:22:36

Not that you couldn't, but our code explicitly says this is when we typically will be doing it.

2:22:44

Thank you.

2:22:45

And the only reason that I bring that up is for the potential alleviation of heartburn is maybe that this is tacked on to the specific business owner business at the time of sale, it nullifies and is able to resume its previous, but I don't know that we can necessarily do that if it's already designated at one point, making it where it could revert back to its original designation.

2:23:10

I uh that's a legal question.

2:23:12

I have no idea what direction we can go with that, but maybe so the question is in a comprehensive uh plan amendment.

2:23:21

Is there a bill and ability to do what councilman Griffin is asking?

2:23:26

Yeah, mayor uh councilman Griffin.

2:23:28

It's a good question.

2:23:29

I think you can.

2:23:30

Um it may be a little unconventional.

2:23:33

It's not a zoning, it's not an annexation.

2:23:36

This is a comprehensive plan amendment.

2:23:39

That's it.

2:23:39

Which is very different.

2:23:41

It's it'd be pretty unconventional.

2:23:43

A development agreement is a private agreement, right, between the city and the property owner.

2:23:49

Um that's why we do it on a zoning designation.

2:23:52

That's a little more concrete decision than just a comp plan amendment.

2:23:56

Remember, this is a guiding use, not binding in any nature, so it'd be pretty unconventional to do it.

2:24:03

I would lean on maybe steering away from it, but if you're asking legally, could you do it?

2:24:09

I think you could shoehorn it in.

2:24:11

Um my advice would be probably not to go.

2:24:13

Okay.

2:24:14

And just pull it.

2:24:16

I'm sorry, I I better jump in here because I I think um staff's understanding of that has always been that it was zoning or annexation that we would do a DA, which sounds like that's typical.

2:24:29

Um, I did not know that that was even possible for a comprehensive plan amendment.

2:24:34

So I didn't advertise it that way for this public hearing.

2:24:38

So I don't know if that matters for tonight.

2:24:41

Um, mayor, I think it does.

2:24:43

I think it's it shows the city's practice is adopted that um whether uh a legal question, can you, can't you?

2:24:51

You might be able to shoehorn it in here where it is a private agreement, but it would be quite unconventional and maybe unprecedented.

2:25:00

So well, and not noticed.

2:25:01

Not noticed that way.

2:25:03

So that thank you for sharing that.

2:25:06

I I have a question.

2:25:08

Um, we are currently in the process of updating our 2050 comprehensive plan.

2:25:14

Is there a reason why this was not addressed during that process that we're currently in, or that it is not being addressed during that process?

2:25:24

Um thank you, Mayor.

2:25:25

Um, that process is still about 18 months away from being completed.

2:25:30

Um, we still have a lot of conversations and a lot of public input we need to gather and go through.

2:25:36

Um the map will definitely be one of those conversations, but we're not there yet.

2:25:41

Um I'm not sure that this gentleman with the code compliance issues he's having with the county right now can wait that long.

2:25:49

Mayor, follow-up.

2:25:50

Yes.

2:25:50

Why why isn't this coming before us as a CUP rather than an entire comprehensive plan amendment?

2:25:56

If it's a code compliance issue, why wouldn't it be a conditional use permit for his specific business rather than going ahead and trying to redesignate the whole area?

2:26:05

So, Councilman Griffin, um, he's not under our jurisdiction.

2:26:09

Right now he's under Canyon County jurisdiction.

2:26:12

So co-compliance issues through Canyon County.

2:26:14

Okay.

2:26:14

Um that is a residentially designated area in the county.

2:26:18

Um, and so his ask tonight is that you allow for this future land use map to be changed to industrial so that he can annex into a zone that would allow him to do what he's currently doing.

2:26:33

Thank you.

2:26:35

Does it have to be designated with a comprehensive plan map amendment if we were going to annex it?

2:26:42

Mayor, yes.

2:26:44

Um, that if we gave it a zone that was not designated on the future land use map, that is the definition of spot zoning, and it is illegal.

2:26:54

Thank you.

2:26:57

Mayor, one fall one final one.

2:26:59

Is there any other I don't want to say aggressive because I understand this would classify as industrial?

2:27:06

Is there any other designations that we could classify it under as residential?

2:27:12

Whether it's BC, I don't think it would be neighborhood because it's got industrial buildings a part of it.

2:27:21

Is there any other I just am thinking out loud in the sense of alleviating Harper and for future designation of industrial?

2:27:29

I I personally don't want to see this staying industrial, but I understand the use that it's been served as for 10 years uh isn't as aggressive as I would say industrial is, so I don't know if there's any direction we can go from there.

2:27:42

Mayor Council McGriffin.

2:27:44

Um typically when we're doing comp plan areas, we don't like to just single out small pieces.

2:27:51

We want to take in an entire area and create a cohesive use or cohesive designation for that area.

2:28:00

The C Company already industrial uh landscaping is allowed in the IL zone.

2:28:07

It would also be allowed in the BC zone, but we'd have to change that designation to commercial rather than industrial, and then that would be singling out just those four pieces to be commercial on the Iowa address parcels.

2:28:20

And so what we're trying to do is just create a larger area that is one single designation.

2:28:26

But it would be possible to do the commercial rather than the industrial it would be.

2:28:31

We'd have to come back with another request because we did not advertise it that way.

2:28:35

Thank you.

2:28:36

Okay, so this is a public hearing.

2:28:38

Let's go ahead and move into the public hearing and then we'll come back and have further discussion.

2:28:43

Madam Mayor, we have one person as requested public testimony, and that is Christopher Kral.

2:28:53

Good evening.

2:28:54

Thank you for giving your uh name again and your address, and you'll have three minutes.

2:28:59

Absolutely.

2:28:59

Um good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers, and Commissioners.

2:29:02

My name is Christopher Kroll.

2:29:04

I live at 1018 Amethyst Court, directly north of uh Seneca Seedlot.

2:29:08

Um I'm a retired Army Sergeant First Class and I have a background in residential real estate investing.

2:29:13

I held an active license in Angridge, Alaska.

2:29:15

Uh I oppose the comprehensive plan amendment.

2:29:18

Um it is not a harmless map correction, it's actually a policy decision that converts an internal residential block into a permanent industrial node in the city's long range plan.

2:29:29

Uh Idaho's local land use planning act requires the comprehensive plan to consider previous and existing conditions, trends, and compatibility in land uses.

2:29:37

Uh, and that's Idaho's code 67-6508.

2:29:42

The city adopts an industrial future designation here, surrounded by uh medium density residential and other neighborhoods.

2:29:50

It would be hard to claim that this improves compatibility or creates a plan transition.

2:30:00

Here, the local design gate NAMPA code requires that the commission and the council make three conclusions of law before approving a zoning map amendment and that it is in harmony with the comprehensive plan and the land use map.

2:30:08

It is reasonably compatible with adjoining uses, and that in the public interest of reasonably necessary.

2:30:14

This amendment fails these tests on its face because it creates an industrial island inside an established residential fabric, as the commissioner, or I'm sorry, as the commissioner said.

2:30:26

Once the map says industrial future applicants will cite that does ignition designation to justify rezones, expansions, and annexations as plan consistent.

2:30:35

That increases risk to homeowners who reasonably relied on the comprehensive plan when purchasing their homes, especially those in the past five years.

2:30:46

So rezoning like this could materially impact us.

2:30:50

I want to be clear, I'm not asking the city to shut down in an existing lawful operation.

2:30:54

Um I'm asking you not to expand the city's long-range endorsement of this industrial intensity at this location.

2:31:00

Um this change is also overwhelmingly benefits one party.

2:31:04

The owner gains certainty, uh marketability and a stronger basis for future industrial requests surrounding homeowners inherit the long-term burden and loss of residential continuity without a demonstrated public necessity.

2:31:16

Um Idaho law also requires zoning districts to be in accordance with poly policies set forth in the adopted comprehensive plan.

2:31:23

That is Idaho Code 67-6511.

2:31:26

So changing the plan map here is not a neutral uh outcome.

2:31:30

It sets the foundation for future zoning outcomes.

2:31:32

My request is simple just to deny the CMA.

2:31:35

Um, if the city does insist on approving it anyway, then uh my recommendation is that we consider a land use similar to AG, which I believe that Seneca could be zoned under and install operate in that manner, and which would be uh more conducive to future land uses.

2:31:52

Thank you.

2:31:54

Thank you very much.

2:31:56

Thank you.

2:31:58

Is there anyone else?

2:32:00

There is no one else signed up to my knowledge.

2:32:02

Is there anyone here that had intended to testify on this public hearing?

2:32:08

No one.

2:32:09

This is an opportunity for our applicant to come back.

2:32:17

Oh, Carrie Smith again for the record.

2:32:20

So um I want to address just a few of the things that were said to council members' question about approving just the area to the north.

2:32:32

I think staff explained it really well that um changing a comprehensive plan just that impacts one property could definitely be conceived as a violation of the state code, and that we should be creating areas.

2:32:47

And so it's not really an island for industrial.

2:32:51

Um, you have on one of the maps that staff had, you can see another much smaller area that was designated for commercial, and so this one is more than double that size, and so it it definitely can be an area designated for that.

2:33:06

I also want to mention that Mr.

2:33:08

Kroll really made the best argument for us.

2:33:13

If you read in his letter on page four at the bottom, and also from his testimony today was nearly the same, is that um I'll read it.

2:33:23

As someone with real estate experience, I can say that buyers reasonably rely on those long-range plan designations as part of their understanding of neighborhood trajectory and risk.

2:33:33

Miss and staff clearly did explain.

2:33:36

Mr.

2:33:36

Snow purchased this property, he met with staff ahead of time, and when he did that, the property had a designation of employment center, which allowed industrial uses.

2:33:48

It would have also allowed commercial, it would have allowed him to have his business here upon annexation of that point.

2:33:55

And so we agree with him that doing your due diligence is very important, and Mr.

2:34:02

Snow did do that.

2:34:05

Um he also stated that it was hard to prove that this would be a transition, and he pointed out that AG would be a better designation.

2:34:14

Um I am a major component uh ag AG represented in our community, and I can tell you that um designating AG next to medium density residential is not a transition.

2:34:26

Um agricultural uses next to that, um, and especially on this small of an area would be spot zoning, and it would be nearly impossible to do any type of ag uses on it.

2:34:37

Um, needless to say, in Canyon County's um comp plan and zoning, if it was zoned agriculture, they could go through a conditional use from a hearing for the landscaping business.

2:34:50

However, if we're looking at planning principles as a whole, um staff said it, and I alluded to it.

2:35:00

Um this property with uh um it is a fairly significant industrial use that's in your community.

2:35:05

Um again, it's agriculture related with the seed business.

2:35:08

Um we are uh we ebb between the number two and the and somewhere between two and five on the major seed producers of the entire world.

2:35:19

Um I sure hope that that business never goes away.

2:35:22

I hope that they um have an opportunity to continue producing um the seed that they do, and so that being said, um it is important and safe for this council to identify that that is a very important business to them that should have the designation as industrial, and so having the property to the south again makes it so that it's not just for one single property, and I believe that Mr.

2:35:51

Snow is very um interested in also continuing his business for a very long time, and it does contribute to our community in a very positive way.

2:36:01

So with that, I would stand for questions.

2:36:04

We absolutely want to be a very good partner to all of the neighbors and to the city and to continue contributing in a positive manner.

2:36:12

Thank you.

2:36:13

Okay, council questions.

2:36:16

Do you have any questions for our applicant?

2:36:20

Councilman Happenfeld?

2:36:21

I have a question for staff.

2:36:23

Okay.

2:36:24

But thank you.

2:36:25

Thank you.

2:36:25

Thank you.

2:36:26

Thank you very much.

2:36:29

Not sure who Christy.

2:36:33

So why don't you go ahead and um you might want to come back to the front if you don't mind?

2:36:38

It's just easier to have a discussion.

2:36:41

Thank you.

2:36:42

Just in looking at the uh the report, the planning and zoning commission voted to recommend approval.

2:36:48

Did they what issues did they uh find or did they find any issues as far as with this proposal?

2:36:55

Oh thank you, Mayor and Councilman Hammerfield.

2:36:58

Um they did not.

2:36:59

There was very little discussion.

2:37:01

Um they felt like because the seed company was there, it was appropriate, and they approved it unanimously.

2:37:08

Okay.

2:37:09

The only other question I might have asked Carrie, but uh, how is the connectivity of the northern parcel to the southern parcel?

2:37:15

How does that where is that take place at?

2:37:19

Uh there wouldn't be any connectivity, those are completely different there's not uses.

2:37:23

Is there any intention to uh is that a drain line that runs through there that uh separates the two the Elijah drain?

2:37:32

So is there any intent to uh to tile that put it underground or just leave it open?

2:37:38

Uh no, I believe it'll remain open.

2:37:40

They're they're separate entities, so they don't really have any reason.

2:37:42

Um the the Stotterd pathway is right there.

2:37:46

Um so they would connect that way, but they both have fences up.

2:37:51

So thank you.

2:37:56

Any other questions?

2:38:01

Any questions or discussion that would involve our applicant to where we should keep our uh public hearing open?

2:38:11

I'm not seeing any.

2:38:13

So with that, and then I just because we did have a question for staff.

2:38:18

Did the applicant have any different answer than staff regarding that question?

2:38:23

None.

2:38:23

Thank you.

2:38:24

Okay, so with that I would stand for a motion to close public hearing.

2:38:29

All in favor?

2:38:30

Aye.

2:38:30

Anyone opposed?

2:38:32

Okay, this is an opportunity for council discussion.

2:38:36

What is council thinking?

2:38:41

Well, I've uh somewhat already voiced uh opinion rather than asking questions, so I'll now confirm the opinion.

2:38:49

Thank you.

2:38:49

And uh I think it's a stretch to uh annex and or well, not annexing, but just even the comp plan uh change.

2:38:59

I think that is uh difficult to put industrial in this uh spot.

2:39:05

And once providing industrial uh right now it's talked about being a continued uh mowing operation, nothing prevents one year, five years from now putting any use that's allowed under our industrial zone.

2:39:23

And uh I don't think this area a great deal of residential has gone on in this area, it's the residential surrounded the existing uh seed operation.

2:39:36

Uh and so folks moving in knew that uh now at this point we're saying we're gonna extend that industrial and we're gonna take it across the street from existing residential.

2:39:51

Some of that residential is county, it's not city.

2:39:54

Uh however, I think from a use and land use point of view, uh it this one just doesn't make sense to me.

2:40:03

Um I understand the designation for the property north of the drain, uh but not south of the drain.

2:40:13

So that's where I'm my opinion.

2:40:17

Thank you.

2:40:17

Okay.

2:40:19

Any other comments from council.

2:40:23

Mayor?

2:40:24

Yes.

2:40:24

Just to reconfirm, and uh I would agree with councilman Bills' assessment of of this application as well, but I go back to is there the ability to restrict specifically for this one applicant, the ability to revert back to the original current designation dated today's date after the fact if he sells the property or intends to do any other industrial work on said property.

2:40:54

I the reason I fight this is I feel that the business uh is uh important and significant to the community, but I do not want to see this turned into an industrial area either.

2:41:05

So that's why I tried to find what designation we could allow to get them back into compliance and to be able to annex them into the city, but I haven't heard a straightforward path in doing so, other than denying them, which leaves them back into the situation that they came here to remedy.

2:41:23

So with a conditional use permit, you could do what you're saying, but this is a comprehensive.

2:41:29

But the conditional use permit would have to be from the county for them to be able to remedy their issues of having code compliance.

2:41:37

It's not an issue of the city, it's them wanting to be able to designate their property to be able to annex into the city.

2:41:43

So if they came to us with an anxiety, could we annex them with a development agreement at that time and avoid all these problems rather than going through this process here?

2:41:54

So this isn't the end of the road if we deny them today, they can still annex well.

2:41:58

Can they continue to function within the county?

2:42:01

Mayor and council, I I think we can answer each of those questions.

2:42:05

Um they can't continue to function in the county.

2:42:08

The county is indicating they're in violation of of their zoning code.

2:42:12

So their remedy is to come to the city and find a zone that will allow them to continue their their operation.

2:42:20

The problem with finding that zone is that the zoning that is it that allows them to operate is either IL or IH.

2:42:29

Those two zones allow them to do their business.

2:42:33

So when they look at the comprehensive plan and they say, I want to annex in with IL or IH, the problem is the comprehensive plan doesn't have industrial as a designation on the comprehensive plan.

2:42:47

So now they're coming to the city saying, let's change the comprehensive plan so that later we can come and probably a short time later, they can come and tell the county, hey, we are applying for annexation to the city.

2:43:04

Now that the comprehensive plan is changed and it allows us to get the IL zoning, now we're going through that annexation process.

2:43:12

During the annexation process, you could put a development agreement on it, but the question tonight is not about the annexation and the zoning, it's about the comprehensive plan, what the long-term vision of that area you want to be.

2:43:29

And the property cannot ask to be annexed into the city without meeting a designation check box.

2:43:35

That's correct.

2:43:36

Mayor, if I may add to that, the standard is it has to be in accordance with the comprehensive plan.

2:43:42

So at the time of annexation.

2:43:44

So they couldn't try and annex with us with a conditional use permit attached to the set annexation.

2:43:50

They would have to be able to satisfy the annexation prior to requesting a CUP.

2:43:56

Mayor and council, there is no um option for a conditional use permit in this situation.

2:44:01

I don't I don't see any uh option for a conditional use permit at all.

2:44:06

And I wasn't suggesting a conditional, I was saying that the what we were talking about was more like that to where you could put the reversion piece with a conditional use, but this isn't that.

2:44:17

So yes, councilman.

2:44:19

So question then comprehensive plan, isn't that to be a guiding document the overall?

2:44:24

And as soon as we put IL as the comprehensive plans designation on this property, it really opens the gate for whatever a person wants to do henceforward in the future.

2:44:36

Um I'm just gonna give my opinion here as planner.

2:44:41

Um, yes, that's exactly right.

2:44:44

Our comprehensive plan um gives us the long-term vision of what we want to see years down the road in this in those locations.

2:44:53

The more specific detailed specific project is typically related to annexation and and zoning.

2:45:02

So I I try to steer people when we talk about comprehensive plan to take a step back and say, what do you want this to be long term?

2:45:13

Okay, I appreciate that concurrence or or that explanation.

2:45:18

So just for clarification, wasn't it staff's recommendation to approve?

2:45:24

What was their opinion on this?

2:45:26

We did not give a recommendation of approval, and I I need to just be very clear about this.

2:45:32

When applicants come to planning and zoning uh department, we give them options.

2:45:39

We uh we are there to assist whoever comes to our desk.

2:45:43

If it's a a citizen, if it's an applicant, we assist them with the options that they can take.

2:45:50

We really strongly uh feel we would rather not give any kind of recommendations because that's the decision of council and planning and zoning commission to make those decisions.

2:46:01

We do at times give a recommendation just based on some pretty critical um compliance with code or the comprehensive plan, but we try as hard as we can to steer away from recommendations.

2:46:17

Okay, so Mayor.

2:46:20

See, my concern, I'm probably reiterating what I've already asked.

2:46:25

We give the comprehensive plan so that we can somehow assist in getting an issue that we really set a precedent and a uh ability for somebody else, if the applicant sells the property, they come back in and say, Well, your comp plan changed this or your recommendation.

2:46:44

You know, so it it just seems like um while we want to be helpful, we're really opening ourselves up for something that is not gonna be helpful for long term.

2:47:00

So it's a unique deal, but it just you know, I mean, uh it's more comments than questions.

2:47:06

So mayor.

2:47:11

So when they came to you, the planning department, what options did you give them aside from this?

2:47:17

My whole goal here is to try and help support the business at the end of the day.

2:47:22

So that's what I'm trying to, whether it's BC, whether there's a different opportunity, because right now they're not in compliance and they can't continue operating based off of their current situation with the county.

2:47:34

So, what are the options that we can help support them in continuing to operate?

2:47:40

So, Councilman Griffin, um, we had to determine first of all what zones we would allow that business to operate in according to our use schedule, it's IL and IH.

2:47:53

To be able to do that, our comp plan has to designate the property as industrial to get that zone.

2:47:59

It is currently medium density residential, which only allows the single family residential zones.

2:48:05

So IL was not an option for them with that.

2:48:09

They said, Well, how do we change that?

2:48:12

This is how we change that.

2:48:14

That was the conversation.

2:48:16

And those are our only two options.

2:48:19

Okay.

2:48:20

That's the zone that this use would fit under.

2:48:22

So Councilman Griffin, I have a question for you.

2:48:26

Not me need to put you on the spot.

2:48:28

But as you say that, and I think we I would not disagree, you want to help a landowner and resolve their issue.

2:48:35

But uh, we also had another local landowner right there talk about protecting the values of the other homeowners.

2:48:42

How do you reconcile that?

2:48:43

Well, I think because you've got two different groups, which is really the ultimate question.

2:48:47

If I heard that this business had come into play a year ago, I would think it's different.

2:48:53

Operating for 10, 12 years is a different situation.

2:48:56

And now that a complaint has been made after 10 years of operation in Napa, I think it's who came first.

2:49:02

Was it the potential neighbor that moved in two years ago, or was it the business that's been here for 10 years?

2:49:08

And then I think you now we're calling beyond our scope.

2:49:12

That's where I just try and balance frankly.

2:49:15

I looked at it as I didn't want to see industrial placed here.

2:49:18

But hearing that it's been 10 years of operation for a business that's been helping, and I from what I've heard, being a good steward not only to their property, but to the neighbors and supporting them in their landscaping and things along those lines.

2:49:31

I think it's unfortunate that them being out of compliance could potentially give the boot to uh a business that has limited um red flags being called on the play.

2:49:47

So I just that's I just am trying to think.

2:49:50

How do we remedy?

2:49:51

I don't know.

2:49:52

Uh there was no testimony given by that said neighbor today, just that the complaint has been raised.

2:49:57

I can't ask that neighbor how long has this been happening?

2:50:01

Have they been dumping grass into your yard?

2:50:03

I can't stack and weigh it equally.

2:50:07

So that's that would be my on the spot response, I think.

2:50:10

Mayor.

2:50:12

So just a little bit of response.

2:50:15

So as I understood the testimony and the application uh for the what was given to us was this started out as a single family residential property used for a business.

2:50:28

And as time went on, it gave the opportunity to start purchasing adjacent properties.

2:50:34

And the property expanded.

2:50:36

So I'm not sure the whole I think the whole thing has expanded.

2:50:40

But I'm speculating in that, but that's how it seems that how that has been uh communicated to us.

2:50:47

That's accurate.

2:50:48

Is that accurate?

2:50:49

That's accurate.

2:50:50

Okay.

2:50:50

So uh this isn't a it may be a ten year business, but not a ten-year business on the whole property.

2:50:57

Okay.

2:50:58

It's grown and it's uh pushed against what uh codes uh would call for at this point.

2:51:07

I'd like to make a motion to deny the conference plan map amendment as presented on the screen.

2:51:22

Okay, without a second.

2:51:25

That motion fails.

2:51:27

So council, what is the will of the council?

2:51:33

Mayor, I move the approve the projected project as stated on the screen.

2:51:38

I'll second the motion.

2:51:43

It's been moved and seconded.

2:51:47

Any discussion?

2:51:50

Mayor, one quick question for staff.

2:51:53

After they're able to be annexed in to the property, what is the city's ability to re-restrict this area after the map amendment is amended or that the comprehensive map is amended.

2:52:07

So with the annexation, then that is your opportunity to do the development agreement that has a list of prohibited uses and potentially even um buffering around the perimeter of the property, fencing, and all all kinds of opportunities for you to put conditions on.

2:52:28

And I wish I would I wish I would ask this before I made my motion, but I can ask it now.

2:52:32

We're so I hope within our lane.

2:52:35

Has the applicant indicated how quickly they'll be moving to annex into the city.

2:52:41

Um Councilman Griffin, I I imagine fairly quickly because they do have an open co-compliance case with Canyon County.

2:52:47

Um, and Canyon County is watching the progress of this.

2:52:51

Um so I imagine that if you approve it, we will move into annexation fairly quickly.

2:52:56

Thank you.

2:52:58

Okay, we have a motion on the table and a second.

2:53:01

Is there any further discussion?

2:53:04

Roll call for the bills.

2:53:06

No.

2:53:07

Reynolds.

2:53:08

Yes.

2:53:09

Everfield.

2:53:10

Yes.

2:53:10

Griffin.

2:53:11

Yes.

2:53:11

Three in favor, one opposed, motion carries.

2:53:16

Okay.

2:53:18

So we are going to take a 10-minute break right now, and uh, we have two more uh public hearings left, so we will break for 10 minutes.

2:53:29

Thank you.

2:59:01

Yeah.

2:59:02

So who's bored in?

2:59:06

And but they won't let me bring the baby up.

2:59:09

So I was up there and I can get on Instagram or whatever.

2:59:13

See, whatever.

2:59:13

I was like, oh, I'll borrow.

2:59:15

I don't care.

2:59:15

I'm not risk averse like that.

2:59:18

Yeah, you'll put them out.

2:59:20

Exactly.

2:59:27

And I met them at the top.

2:59:29

And then I went down with them.

2:59:30

They're like, you can't do that either.

2:59:32

I feel like you're making up rules now.

2:59:37

Yeah.

2:59:37

So they're like, oh, that's just the world.

2:59:42

Well, you didn't tell me I couldn't do it.

2:59:45

I was saying, like, show me the rulebook.

2:59:47

Yeah.

2:59:48

It's just possible.

2:59:53

Oh, man.

2:59:57

We've made a whole thing there.

3:06:24

Okay, we're ready to get started again.

3:06:47

I know they are, yeah.

3:07:02

Okay, we are ready to get started.

3:07:03

We are going to start with item eight four on the agenda.

3:07:08

Eight four is an action item.

3:07:10

This is a comprehensive plan map amendment from medium density residential to low density residential for three parcels.

3:07:17

These are located at zero sixteen nineteen and eighteen thirty-five South Side Boulevard.

3:07:22

This is annexation and zoning to RS eighteen for single family residential on two parcels and an adjacent right-of-way at sixteen nineteen and eighteen thirty-five Southside Boulevard.

3:07:32

This is a zoning map amendment from RS six to RS eighteen on a third parcel, an adjacent right of way at zero South Side Boulevard with a potential development agreement.

3:07:56

This is for triple crown development representing Lance Lewison.

3:08:00

The original concept was twenty-five single family detached dwelling lots and eight common lots.

3:09:02

With the community, we're requesting an annexation, a comprehensive plan map amendment to low density, and an RS eighteen zoning with approval of a plelinary plat.

3:09:13

Our preliminary plat includes 25 single family residential lots and eight common lots with a gross density of one point two five units per acre.

3:09:22

Residential lot sizes will range from just over half an acre up to nearly two acres, providing spacious lots, privacy, and a rural character consistent with the surrounding area and established use within the existing site.

3:09:42

Two of those are currently located in the unincorporated Kenyon County, and one parcel has already been annexed into the city of Nampa, which carries an existing um zoning designation.

3:09:52

Within the slide, you can see that the parcels highlighted, everything in yellow is in the county, and the area cross-hatched in green is the city of Nampus city limits.

3:10:03

There also is an existing single home on the property with along with a few accessory dwelling units.

3:10:10

Our intent is to retain the home as part of the project, and it will become lot eight, block one within our new subdivision.

3:10:19

The subject site is currently designated as medium density residential under the city's comprehensive plan.

3:10:26

The properties to the north, south, and west share the same designation.

3:10:30

To the east, however, the character shifts to low density residential that has larger rural county parcels and city lots.

3:10:39

We're requesting to stretch the low density residential across our three parcels.

3:10:44

The request is to better align with the existing development pattern and our vision for this community.

3:10:51

We're requesting the comprehensive plan map amendment from medium density to low density residential.

3:10:58

This adjustment will allow us to maintain the larger, more rural lots that have storically defined the area.

3:11:03

And we believe this provides an appropriate transition between the existing county lots to the east and the existing medium density residential areas to the west.

3:11:15

With this comprehensive map amendment to low density, we're requesting an RS-18 zoning for all three parcels to ensure that the zoning aligns with our updated land use designation.

3:11:27

We're also requesting exception for lot eight block one, which slightly exceeds the maximum lot size allowed in an RS-18.

3:11:36

This adjustment is necessary to preserve the existing home and its accessory buildings that are already established on the site.

3:11:43

And by maintaining the residence and applying a consistent zone under across the remainder of the property, we're creating a seamless transition between the existing rural lots and the new estate-style homes envisioned on this development.

3:11:59

So to better understand how our application fits within the broader area.

3:12:04

Let's take a look at the surrounding context.

3:12:06

To the north, we have Wildflower and Sunshine Subdivisions.

3:12:10

Just to the northeast are several larger unincorporated county parcels.

3:12:15

To the east, we have Wilson Estates with additional large county lots.

3:12:19

And to the south is bordered by Oakhurst estates.

3:12:23

And the west, we have Greenhurst Elementary School.

3:12:26

We feel that our request for the low density comprehensive plan designation and the RS18 zoning complements this existing pattern extremely well, maintaining compatibility with larger rural-style lots to the east while transitioning naturally to the more established neighborhoods surrounding the site.

3:12:49

In Crosswoods, we have thoughtfully designed 4.13 acres of qualified open space, which represents 15.8% of the site.

3:13:00

This slide illustrates everything in green that is qualified.

3:13:03

And keep in mind these are going to be large lots, so the homes will have ample space in the front and the back.

3:13:11

Pathway connectivity and walkability is also a priority within our community.

3:13:16

Purple depicts our community sidewalks.

3:13:18

Orange depicts our micro pathways, and then green illustrates our community pathway that provides connection along the Elijah Drain that'll provide pedestrian access from South Side Boulevard to Goldenrod Drive.

3:13:34

Here are a few elevations of homes south of our community and locust lane subdivision.

3:13:40

This will be the same home builder, ashcraft construction known for their quality custom homes.

3:13:49

These homes proposed for Crosswood straws and inspiration of modern farmhouse style, combining clean roof lines, board and baden siding, and natural stone accents to create a timeless yet fresh and charming appearance.

3:14:04

And then to summarize, we strongly feel that Crosswood Estates is a thoughtfully planned, high-quality community that blends rustic charm with modern livability.

3:14:15

It brings a much needed diversity of larger estate lots to NAMPA, ideal for families and professionals who value both space and connection to the community.

3:14:25

This infill location offers kind of the best of both worlds.

3:14:28

It's conveniently close to downtown Nampa and I-84, yet it's tucked away to provide a quieter, more private living environment.

3:14:36

We believe Crosswood supports the city of NAMPA's long-term goals for thoughtful growth, housing diversity, and high quality of life for future residents.

3:14:46

And behalf of our team, we'd like to thank sincere thanks to City Staff for their help and guidance, and we're in full agreement with the staff report.

3:14:54

And on that note, I'll thank you all for your time, your thoughtful consideration, and respectively request approval of our applications this evening.

3:15:03

Thank you so much.

3:15:04

Thank you, Sabrina.

3:15:06

Great job.

3:15:06

Okay, so do we have any questions for our applicant?

3:15:12

I think no, we'll have you back.

3:15:13

Thank you so much.

3:15:14

So, Christy, is this one yours?

3:15:26

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

3:15:27

Christie Watkins, principal planner for the city of Nampa.

3:15:31

As stated, there are four requests happening here today.

3:15:35

You can see on the map there, the area in yellow is the RS6 zone currently is requesting to be rezoned to RS-18.

3:15:43

The area to the west of it is enclaved and excuse me, and is requesting to be annexed and zoned to RS-18.

3:15:53

To be able to accomplish the RS-18 zone, the property has to be redesignated as low density residential.

3:16:02

So that is part of the request tonight is to make it low density.

3:16:09

She already talked about the area around the property, so I won't bore you with that.

3:16:14

This is a look at the future land use map and the different designations that are in the area.

3:16:30

There is a sewer main in Southside Boulevard and in Goldenrod.

3:16:34

There's a water main in South Side Boulevard and in Goldenrod, and there's pressurized irrigation in Southside Boulevard and in Goldenrods.

3:16:41

Lots of utilities available to them.

3:16:43

A traffic impact study is not required with this because of the number of lots that they are proposing at this time.

3:16:49

I believe that there is a little bit of right-of-way dedication that still needs to happen along Southside Boulevard, but everything else has been dedicated already.

3:17:02

So with the density in the LDR designation or RS-18 zone, the density is one to two and a half dwelling units per acre.

3:17:10

On this 19.94 acres with 25 single family lots, the project proposes a gross density of 1.25 dwelling units per acre, thereby meeting the requirements for that LDR designation.

3:17:22

The lot sizes within the RS-18 zone can range from 18,000 square feet to 36,000 square feet.

3:17:28

The lot sizes shown on the plat range from 18,200 square feet to 35,837 square feet, with the average lot size of 23,055 square feet.

3:17:40

The existing family lot can stay the way that it is.

3:17:49

Should they ever choose to build on it further, they would have to split it into lots that would conform to that RS-18 zoning, but uh the way they have it proposed here, it would just be considered nonconforming, and they wouldn't be able to develop it with any more houses.

3:18:07

All the lots proposed meet the lot width and depth required by city code.

3:18:11

They have met the 15% open space on 2.28 acres, which is 15.8%.

3:18:17

She walked through some of the amenities that were provided.

3:18:20

There is a 25-foot landscape buffer proposed along Southside Boulevard, which does meet city code.

3:18:27

These are the applicable regulations.

3:18:29

So we're looking at the comp plan amendment, which you have great flexibility in making a determination on.

3:18:35

And then annexation.

3:18:36

There are four criteria for that, and then there are three criteria for determining the zoning of the property.

3:18:46

So in this case, um, these are the facts for the comp plan amendment that are listed out in your staff report.

3:18:53

These are the facts for annexation.

3:18:55

So the property um the applicant that is making the application has signed an affidavit of legal interest that says that they are approve of the application.

3:19:06

The property is contiguous to the city limits on all four sides.

3:19:10

The property is located in the current NAMPA area of impact, and it is the all of the right-of-way around it.

3:19:19

This is kind of an interesting one.

3:19:21

All of the right-of-way around it is already owned by the city.

3:19:24

So that fourth criteria for annexation doesn't really apply to this because we don't have to enter into an MOU with the highway district at this time.

3:19:34

So the facts for rezoning.

3:19:38

It is in harmony with the comprehensive plan with the request for the RS-18 zoning.

3:19:43

It would provide a proposed use or set of uses that would be reasonably compatible with the existing adjoining properties.

3:19:50

And it is in the interest of the public and reasonably necessary to develop this property because it is considered to be in fill, and it would provide services to the area.

3:20:01

So the correspondence that was received from Nampa Parks, they would like the permanent easement for the pathway along the Elijah Drain, which they are proposing.

3:20:10

Um GIS has requested some revised legal descriptions, which we can get from them.

3:20:15

The fire department does not oppose this application.

3:20:18

They're stating that it would increase personnel demand of 0.07 firefighter positions, and the engineering division uh has completed a review of the preliminary plat application and has provided comments in regards to traffic access layout and utilities.

3:20:34

These are the conditions of approval as listed in your staff report.

3:20:39

These are your potential motions, and I'll stand for any questions.

3:20:42

Thank you.

3:20:43

Thank you.

3:20:44

Yes, Councilman Griffin.

3:20:46

Apologies, Mayor, my light doesn't work, so I have to tap to see whenever I'm on.

3:20:51

On the outset of the property, are they planning to have connectivity via sidewalk?

3:20:56

I hadn't heard that discussed.

3:20:57

Is there sidewalk in that area that it'll tap into and connect all the way up to the next one?

3:21:02

Um Councilman Griffin.

3:21:04

On the areas that are in the city, there is already sidewalk.

3:21:07

There are a couple of parcels that still remain that are in the county that wouldn't maybe leave a small gap.

3:21:13

Not part of this project, though, the properties up to the north at our Enclave.

3:21:17

Correct.

3:21:18

So this property already has sidewalk running through it.

3:21:22

No, they will be building sidewalk.

3:21:24

Thank you.

3:21:24

Yes.

3:21:26

Any other questions?

3:21:27

Yes, Councilman Haverfield.

3:21:29

Uh Christy, uh, there appears to be um fire engine access onto Goldenrod Drive to the west.

3:21:36

Is that true?

3:21:37

That is correct.

3:21:38

Is that a gated um access?

3:21:41

Um Councilman Haberfield, I have not looked at the construction drawings, so that might be a question for the applicant.

3:21:46

Okay.

3:21:47

I just didn't know there's uh less than 30 lots, so they don't need the second access.

3:21:52

So just wondering why that's there.

3:21:55

Probably just for convenience, but you'll I would recommend asking them.

3:22:00

Thank you.

3:22:01

Thank you.

3:22:02

Are there any additional questions for Christy?

3:22:06

Okay.

3:22:06

So this is a public hearing, and we'll move to that.

3:22:10

Madam Mayor, no one has requested to provide public testimony on this item.

3:22:14

Thank you.

3:22:15

Is there anyone here that had intended to testify on this particular application?

3:22:20

Seeing none.

3:22:22

Sabrina, you can come back and provide an answer to that question and any others.

3:22:26

Thank you.

3:22:27

Um, Madam Mayor, um, council members.

3:22:30

Um, to answer your question, um, Councilmember Haverfield is that my understanding was that the block link was too long and that um engineering department asked for the additional um fire emergency access.

3:22:43

And I believe um bollards is um your fire chief's preferred method of blockage, so we will propose those in our construction plans.

3:22:51

Okay, thank you.

3:22:52

I was just wondering if that was intended to be uh another relief uh access to these lots or not, and it doesn't sound like there's no you're correct that it will not be.

3:23:02

Thank you.

3:23:04

Do you have any other closing comments that you'd like to make?

3:23:07

I don't um first everyone looks fabulous in their sweaters, by the way, and happy holidays.

3:23:12

And thank you, Mayor, for everything that you've done.

3:23:14

We've already talked, so I don't wait to tear you.

3:23:17

So thank you again.

3:23:18

Thank you.

3:23:19

Council, do you have any additional questions for our applicant?

3:23:22

Mayor, and just one last one.

3:23:23

I apologize.

3:23:24

I saw the path is designated there.

3:23:26

Are you going to be building out that path as well along Elijah Drain?

3:23:30

Yeah, Madam Mayor.

3:23:31

Councilmember Griffin, yes, we'll be building out that pathway.

3:23:34

Yes, and it'll be dedicated to the city in the easement.

3:23:37

Thank you.

3:23:38

Merry Christmas.

3:23:39

Thank you.

3:23:39

You as well.

3:23:40

Thank you.

3:23:41

Oh, thank you so much.

3:23:44

Mayor, move that we close public hearing.

3:23:46

Second.

3:23:47

Okay.

3:23:47

All in favor?

3:23:48

Aye.

3:23:48

Aye.

3:23:49

Any opposed?

3:23:50

Thank you.

3:23:51

Mayor, I make a motion to approve the conference reply map amendment as presented.

3:23:56

Second.

3:23:57

It's been uh moved and seconded to approve the project as stated on the screen.

3:24:01

Is there any discussion?

3:24:03

Seeing none, roll call.

3:24:04

Kingula.

3:24:04

Yes.

3:24:05

Reynolds.

3:24:06

Yes.

3:24:06

Hammerfield.

3:24:07

Yes.

3:24:07

Griffin.

3:24:08

Yes.

3:24:08

Phil's.

3:24:09

Yes.

3:24:10

All in favor, motion carries.

3:24:12

If I could just say, Lance, it is so refreshing to see this.

3:24:17

Yes.

3:24:18

Larger lots and to see this here.

3:24:21

It's wonderful.

3:24:22

It's really refreshing to see it.

3:24:24

So thank you.

3:24:25

It is so good.

3:24:26

Yeah.

3:24:28

I think we I think we all agree.

3:24:30

Wow, that's great.

3:24:31

So thank you.

3:24:32

Appreciate it.

3:24:35

Okay.

3:24:36

You know what?

3:24:37

We are ready for our last public hearing.

3:24:40

It's been a long wait, huh?

3:24:42

Yes.

3:24:44

Okay, so 8.5.

3:24:46

Maybe the same will tell us.

3:24:47

8.5 is an action item.

3:24:49

It's annexate annexation and zoning to community business, multifamily residential, RS4 single family residential, industrial park zoning districts, and master plan community with a development agreement for district 16.

3:25:04

This is addressed as 4188 Cherry Lane, Zero Eustake Road, 5059 Eustake Road, 5033 Eustack Road, 1787 3 Star Road, Zero Eustach Road, Zero Cherry Lane, Zero Cherry Lane, 5465 Ewestick Road, and we've got a let's see, and zero Eustake Road and Zero Eustake Road and Zero Cherry Lane.

3:25:28

I think we got them all for Idaho Holdings LLC representing multiple landowners.

3:25:34

The original concept is a master planned mixed-use development of single-family detached and multifamily residential, commercial, and industrial uses on approximately 405 acres.

3:25:46

So I think our applicant is here, and we have agreed to give you 15 minutes so that because this is a major project.

3:25:53

So thank you for running us through it the entire thing.

3:26:00

And Deb, I think you know the yeah, your name and thank you, Mayor.

3:26:03

Thank you, members of the council.

3:26:04

My name is Deborah Nelson.

3:26:06

My address is 601 West Bannock Street in Boise.

3:26:10

And I'm here on behalf of the applicant team.

3:26:12

And here with me tonight, I also have Emily Mueller and Mark Bottles who are also in support and available to answer your questions.

3:26:24

We really appreciate the time they've put into it and the thoughtfulness.

3:26:28

And we are in full agreement with the staff report and the commission's recommendation of support of this project and all of the conditions of approval.

3:26:40

Where do I point this, Rodney?

3:26:42

That way?

3:26:43

Okay.

3:26:43

Thank you.

3:26:46

Um, so it didn't.

3:26:51

Thank you.

3:26:59

Not just me.

3:27:01

My system.

3:27:02

I'll get started while he works on it.

3:27:04

Um your system just timed out too.

3:27:06

Okay, so it might be on that end.

3:27:16

Is it via Teams?

3:27:18

No, not mine.

3:27:20

Yours isn't.

3:27:21

Okay.

3:27:21

Madam Clerk, would you mind if I ask if you pause the time?

3:27:24

Yeah, we'll start over in my process.

3:27:26

Okay, thank you.

3:27:27

Yeah.

3:27:27

She will start again at 15 minutes.

3:27:29

It was just, yes, you yeah.

3:27:32

Your system wasn't letting you do it now.

3:27:34

I understand.

3:27:37

Okay, great.

3:27:38

Let's turn this.

3:27:39

There we go.

3:27:40

Thank you.

3:27:40

All right.

3:27:40

So District 16 is a mixed-use planned community.

3:27:45

Um, and it encompasses 405 acres along NAMPAS State Highway 16 corridor.

3:27:51

It has approximately 291 acres on the west side of Highway 16 and 114 acres on the east side.

3:27:59

There are two applications that we have before you tonight.

3:28:02

The first is annexation with initial zoning, and the second is a master planned community.

3:28:07

And we've also presented a development agreement to accompany those applications to help guide and ensure that what you see is what you get.

3:28:16

Um, and it will create the development uh vision that you already have stated in your specific area plan.

3:28:23

There is no specific development project that's presented tonight.

3:28:28

Um future applications will be brought before the city for preliminary plat for design review, and that's when particular developments can proceed with each phase.

3:28:39

With each one of those, there will be an additional traffic impact study, um, analysis of utility connections and all of those details that go along with preliminary plats.

3:28:50

Once the first preliminary plot is approved and development proceeds, we expect the build out to take approximately 15 years.

3:29:02

The district 16 master plan community is located within that city's uh highway 16 corridor specific area plan.

3:29:10

The city adopted this plan in 2023.

3:29:12

I'm sure you all remember it well.

3:29:14

Um, this accompanied the state's funding of the extension of highway 16 from State Street south to 84.

3:29:22

Uh the that is underway already, that's extensions underway, and it's expected to be complete in 2027.

3:29:30

So, as part of that specific area plan that the city adopted, you also adopted a future land use map that is basically a sub-area plan from your standard comprehensive plan.

3:29:43

We've got a zoomed-in portion of that plan for this particular area.

3:29:50

The proposed zoning that you see before you tonight mirrors this these land uses and these designations exactly.

3:30:00

All of these land uses that are designated within this the State Highway 16 specific area plan are then reflected in the compatible zoning that's before you.

3:30:49

Upon annexation, we request zoning to accommodate the mix of planned uses, RS4 for single family residential, which is shown in orange, RMH for multifamily residential, shown in tan, BC or commercial commercial business for neighborhood commercial that is shown in pink, and IP for industrial park, which is shown in the darker gray.

3:31:14

Again, each of these zones matches the designations within your future land use map for the State Highway 16 corridor.

3:31:23

And by doing that, by matching that exactly, we are ensuring that our development is compatible with your plans and with existing uses and planned uses in the area.

3:31:34

This proposed zoning facilitates smart growth, just as your plan does for the area, because it allows a variety of housing options, walkable commercial uses, and centralized open spaces.

3:31:49

Focusing in on those zones for the RS4 zone, we propose 168 acres to support the medium density single family residential uses.

3:31:59

This is again proposed on the same area as you can see there, comparing on the left and the right at the bottom, exactly the same areas as shown in your plan.

3:32:08

And the city has already determined for those designations within the plan which zones are appropriate.

3:32:14

You've set this forth in two places, both in your zoning code and in the specific area plan.

3:32:19

You have included the RS4 zone as a compatible zone with the medium density residential designation.

3:32:26

These properties will have a minimum of 15% open space with amenities, including sport courts, pools, playgrounds, and large greened up open spaces to serve a variety of outdoor recreation activities.

3:32:39

With each future subdivision application, specific development items will be addressed, including traffic mitigation, utility connections, and other site specific issues, including application of the city's adopted transition standards to existing development.

3:32:57

You have already codified in your subdivision ordinance the appropriate transition where you're building next to adjacent subdivisions to make sure that your lot sizes are compatible.

3:33:25

These are not required by your code, but they are volunteered by the applicant to ensure that quality and cohesiveness.

3:33:34

Also consistent with the city plans, approximately 80 acres are proposed to be zoned RMH to support future multifamily development, which serves low to medium incomes.

3:33:45

This is proposed again on the same areas you can see at the bottom two maps and to compare the exact same areas as shown for high density residential.

3:33:57

Both the city code and the specific area plan recognize the RMH zone as being appropriate for high density residential designation.

3:34:06

And these uses together, the multifamily together with the single family are going to provide that housing diversity that's near employment, near shopping, near dining opportunities that's contemplated in your specific area plan.

3:34:21

Each of these projects will include on-site amenities, including a pool, and will meet the enhanced standards of the master plan community.

3:34:30

And each of these multifamily projects will also have to go through the city's design review process.

3:34:38

The community business zoning is also consistent with the city's plans.

3:34:43

It's planned for 38 acres to support neighborhood commercial uses along Eustach Road.

3:34:50

This is a really important corridor for the city, and you knew that when you designated this area here.

3:34:55

This is just one of four interchanges along State Highway 16.

3:35:00

So it import it provides really important frontage for this type of development.

3:35:05

That is why the city is currently in the process of widening and improving Eustach Road in this area.

3:35:12

There will be additional improvements.

3:35:14

I've got a slide to show you what some of those are.

3:35:16

That accessibility and frontage is also what attracts the commercial uses, the actual development that will come to this site with this zoning.

3:35:26

In addition to being immediately adjacent to residents, they will have the supporting residential rooftops to support those and really bring in those vibrant commercial uses that the city planned in this area.

3:35:41

Also consistent with the city's plans, 119 acres are proposed for industrial park zoning to support both industrial and business and office uses in a campus-like setting.

3:36:03

The specific area plan describes this area as providing for a variety of industrial flex and business uses that include single or clustered building structures of one to three stories and a campus-like atmosphere with uniform building standards and open spaces connected by pedestrian walkways.

3:36:26

So in total, 156 of the 405 acres will be zoned as BC and IP.

3:36:32

And these acres will provide well, they'll comply with the city's design review standards.

3:36:38

They'll incorporate the materials and the colors that are called for in the city's specific area plans consistent with the heritage theme.

3:36:47

They'll include the landscaping and the amenities, public art, raised planners, outdoor seating that's connected by pathways, and all of this will serve to create that sense of place and a quality walkable development adjacent to residential.

3:37:04

Through the development agreement and the master plan community approval, this conceptual site plan will guide the future development of the property.

3:37:12

This promotes the walkability.

3:37:15

The housing is designed to promote the efficient use of the land and provide more public open space, all while complying with the future land use map.

3:37:25

Similarly, the landscape plan provides that guideline.

3:37:29

So future development as it comes in will meet the open space and amenity standards that are called for in the plans and part of this approval.

3:37:40

We do request as part of your master plan community as allowed by that ordinance a reduction just in one portion of the landscaping requirements, and that's for the industrial park area, so that we can really maximize the economic development opportunity of that land as it straddles the State Highway 16 corridor, efficiently use it to maximize that frontage and the tax base to support economic growth of the area.

3:38:10

Your code allows through a master plan community reduction in certain standards.

3:38:15

This is the only one we're asking for, and that's uh to reduce the bulk standards for that section only.

3:38:22

We are still providing quality open space, not only throughout the rest of the development, but in this area in particular, and so we are going to focus as is called for in your code and the plan on connectivity with with walkways, plazas, and um and landscaping that really creates that campus atmosphere rather than just large areas of quantity there.

3:38:50

The signage plan will also help to create that cohesiveness throughout District 16, consistent with that heritage theme, and creating that integration between uses.

3:39:16

Um, which is before any district 16 buildings would be brought online.

3:39:22

Applicant has also prepared a master traffic analysis in coordination with city staff to identify the potential impact of this development and to work with city staff on what improvements may be needed in the area.

3:39:36

That will also serve as the sideboards when we get into individual preliminary plots that have specific TISs associated with them, and the traffic mitigations are identified.

3:39:50

As the city knows well, you are facing a housing shortage.

3:39:54

Um, your demand is exceeding your supply, so are other cities in the valley.

3:39:58

You're not alone there.

3:40:00

And this development helps to fulfill your plans to bring on some of that density and the variety of housing that you're looking for.

3:40:08

And this will help to bring up you know to help close the gap on some of those units that are needed, in particular, focusing on some units that will serve low to moderate incomes.

3:40:21

In addition to the housing, we provide other benefits to the city.

3:40:46

We understand that you have additional considerations that you have to take into account with legislation such as the 389 legislation that impacts your budgets.

3:40:55

We know that you still have budgeting decisions that will impact that, but at least this gives you a an idea of the valuation based on area assessed values so that you can see that this is bringing in the scale of development that you contemplated when you planned this area and supports the services that the city is also planning for this area to meet this plan.

3:41:21

There's significant impact fees that we will be paying as well.

3:41:25

And this applicant team is contributing to the city's Pertham trunk sewer that will serve these properties and other properties that applicant team owns in the area.

3:41:36

But perhaps you know, most importantly, again, we're building out the city's vision.

3:41:41

We're partnering with the city to bring in the zones and the type of development that you call that you have called for in your plans.

3:41:47

It is rare to get a developer that can assemble such a large piece of property that in 400 acres can bring forward a master plan community that meets your plans.

3:41:59

And it won't build out all at once, but you'll get the guidepost for it to build out consistent with what you have already planned.

3:42:07

You've got the development agreement and the master plan community to help guide that.

3:42:12

So for all of these reasons, we ask for your support.

3:42:15

We appreciate the support of staff and the planning commission and um and would stand for any questions that you may have.

3:42:24

Thank you so much.

3:42:25

Council, do you have any questions?

3:42:28

Yes.

3:42:29

I have a couple.

3:42:31

First off on the single family portion, and it was the zone in slide.

3:42:38

Uh all these are showing RS4.

3:42:41

The neighborhood to the west of the to the west of one of the properties and to the north of the 10 Mile Creek property.

3:42:49

What is the zoning of that property?

3:42:52

Right there, smack dab, a little below center off to the left.

3:42:57

I believe the properties that are in the city are RS8.

3:43:00

I'm looking at Emily just to confirm.

3:43:03

Yeah.

3:43:05

Seven or eight.

3:43:06

Is that the same for the northern property as well?

3:43:09

In this, there's that dash line going through the center of the screen.

3:43:12

There's a neighborhood to the north and a neighborhood to the south.

3:43:17

Yeah, and you've got some county development down there in the south.

3:43:21

Do you know what size those lots are in those two projects?

3:43:28

So for the county development, of course, they'll be subject to your future land use map, the same as we are if they're ever redeveloped into the city.

3:43:38

And so I would point you to your comprehensive plan for that area that would call for a medium density residential.

3:43:45

Um for the existing RS7 or 8.

3:43:50

I think your staff is probably better equipped to address that.

3:43:54

I'd point to Damien to respond to that question if you don't mind.

3:43:57

It'll give them a heads up.

3:43:59

With regard to the bike trail, it goes straight to highway 16, but it doesn't show parting out left or right to take the sidewalk.

3:44:08

Is there intention that connect those two projects underground, above ground, going up the sidewalk to the light and back down?

3:44:15

What's the intention there?

3:44:16

Yeah, Madam Mayor, Councilmember Griffin, that's a great question.

3:44:19

We will have an underpass pedestrian corridor there.

3:44:22

Um and this this development is building out over a mile of pathways along these facilities with 10 Mile Creek that will eventually connect through and the Northwest Pipeline pathway there.

3:44:34

Thank you.

3:44:35

And my final question was just in regard uh to the builder.

3:44:39

Has there been a builder selected for the housing types or that is planned on developing the uh single family home portions?

3:44:48

Madam Mayor, can uh council member Griffin?

3:44:50

No, not at this time.

3:44:51

That'll come forward when we come forward with plates.

3:44:53

You'll get more specifics there.

3:44:55

Thank you.

3:45:00

And the only reason I asked that question is just because I know there was attachment of units or designated units that are expected to be built out.

3:45:04

I didn't know if there was a builder specific to those that was going to complete the project to look similarly, or they are just examples for future builders.

3:45:13

Those are concepts for future builders, but they're also consistent with the residential design guidelines that would bind all developers to this prop project.

3:45:22

So whatever whoever the builder is that they would have to meet the residential design guidelines.

3:45:27

And do you have something to add?

3:45:29

Yeah, okay.

3:45:30

Thank you, Mayor and Councilman Griffin.

3:45:32

Um one of the properties is owned by Corey Barton.

3:45:36

So those came from him.

3:45:38

So he will just be developing 30 acres on the corner of Eustach and STAR, that southeast corner there.

3:45:47

Um we were excited to bring him into this application because again, we were able to put on design standards.

3:45:55

Um you get heightened amenities and those sorts of things.

3:45:58

So really it was an opportunity to have property he already owned by bringing him into the master plan community.

3:46:05

We have the design guidelines and we have those heightened open space requirements.

3:46:10

So it was just kind of an add-on that will help, even though there will be different builders for all of you know, a lot.

3:46:17

We've talked to a lot of different builders for all of these different areas, um, will still produce a cohesive feel, again, even though it's different builders.

3:46:26

Thank you.

3:46:27

Yes.

3:46:27

Mayor, if I could just one more for either of you at this point.

3:46:30

Is there a first right of refusal or any kind of um designation for the properties in between the Corey Barton property and the Ten Mile Creek property that will anticipate is owned by y'all, or could that potentially be a lacart that another developer comes in and does something totally different to this plan in those areas?

3:46:51

Yeah, uh so sorry, one more time, um, mayor and councilman Griffin.

3:46:55

You're talking about the um, yeah, the out parcels north of the uh so the um yeah uh I think I know we're talking about south of Eustick between Oahe and Storm.

3:47:09

Uh uh O'Wahi and Star.

3:47:12

Um those we don't have any right of first refusal on those.

3:47:17

Um there is an existing storage facility there, and one of them.

3:47:23

So one of them is an existing storage.

3:47:26

Um, but no, we don't have any right of first refusal.

3:47:29

And maybe we're looking at the same piece.

3:47:31

I can't see the the road crossings at the very bottom of the screen in the center is the 10 mile creek.

3:47:38

Mm-hmm.

3:47:39

Correct.

3:47:40

Corey Barton's projects on the bottom right-hand side.

3:47:43

I'm looking in between the state highway 16 and 10 Mile Creek, those two square properties, are those the storage facility properties you're talking about?

3:47:53

Um, mayor, councilman, no, those um and and sorry, just to back up, um, the Corey Barton pieces at the north end of this.

3:48:04

Um, so there's two 40s there.

3:48:08

And his is the easterly 40 acres.

3:48:12

So there will be 30 acres.

3:48:15

You're saying the eastern portion.

3:48:17

So there's two portions.

3:48:18

The roadway is the half point, he's on the east, you're on the west.

3:48:21

Okay.

3:48:22

Correct.

3:48:22

I'm talking about the south east.

3:48:24

I apologize.

3:48:25

I thought that's when you said southeast, I was referring to the southeast of this map.

3:48:30

No, there is no right of first refusal or any discussion there with regard to what those properties will develop.

3:48:39

Thank you.

3:48:39

That's as far as we know.

3:48:42

Councilmember Griffin, I would just add that, but they will be subject to your conference of plan and your specific area plans.

3:48:48

You know, that's that's you know, the the only thing we would know about how they might build out, and we will be subject to those plans and also your code requirements that I mentioned about transition standards.

3:48:59

And so, regardless of what the intervening existing development is, we have to uh match those lot lines within the standards that are outlined in your code, which have parameters in them about when you have to meet 80 percent, and that's very specific set forth in your subdivision code that we would also have to meet.

3:49:18

Thank you.

3:49:20

Any other questions at this time?

3:49:23

Yes.

3:49:23

Um quick question, thank you for this.

3:49:25

I love master plan communities, and I appreciate you bringing in the other developer in here as well to get those heightened standards.

3:49:32

That's something that we're very interested in.

3:49:34

So thank you for that.

3:49:36

Um I apologize if you had already stated it, but that IP zone, what do you plan on putting in the IP zone and then what phase is that in?

3:49:45

So um, starting with the what's in the IP zone.

3:49:49

So I mean, we'll at this point nothing specific is planned, so you'll get a chance to look at that with design review applications that'll come in.

3:50:00

But your um specific area plan does have standards that you've got, you know, where you lay out what you think you want there.

3:50:08

And it's a mix of light industrial, commercial, office buildings set out in a campus setting.

3:50:14

That's that one to three stories that I mentioned.

3:50:17

You've even got a height limit in there in your specific area plan of 50 feet.

3:50:21

Um, and the idea there is to create a campus, and your landscape standards um call for that as well with the use of plazas and connective pathways, and those are the uses that we anticipate exactly as you've called for.

3:50:35

So you'll note that we didn't ask for you know heavy industrial or light industrial zoning.

3:50:40

We asked for industrial park exactly like it's called for for the compatible zone with your designated um commercial and business campus there, or commercial industrial campus there is your specific designation.

3:50:53

So we picked the zone that will match that entirely, and the uses that we expect are exactly as you described them in your specific area plan.

3:51:01

We could get a zoo.

3:51:03

Just getting it's in the joke, but I would love to see a zoo in NAMPA.

3:51:08

It's our ongoing joke.

3:51:09

I mean, we we'd love to see uh you know, lifestyle center or other interactive walking type environment, but you know, that's what we'll have to try to develop and bring back before you with a specific application.

3:51:23

Oh, and then we can get taken.

3:51:25

Yeah, uh Mayor and Councilwoman.

3:51:27

Um, with regards to the phasing, this is a this is the area of the project that we're really excited to bring forward as soon as possible.

3:51:34

Um, so one of the constraints to that is getting the sewer out here.

3:51:40

Um, you know, as as mentioned earlier, we're helping pay um, you know, for this area over four million dollars, and that just gets it to Canada.

3:51:48

So we are working to get it over here.

3:51:50

Um, one of the things that staff has been really helpful planning with us are some potential interim solutions.

3:51:57

So the subdivision right in the middle here actually stubs sewer that would enable this industrial park commercial area to sewer faster if there is some capacity that frees up.

3:52:11

So, because that's really the area that we hope would develop very soon.

3:52:16

And um, you know, and and by soon I mean the highway is gonna be done in 2027, the U Stick roadway improvements are gonna be done in 2027.

3:52:24

Um, there's a lot of interest in this area, and and to make this a really amazing gateway in into the city.

3:52:30

So that's that's an area that we're hoping some interim solutions for sewer could um more quickly.

3:52:37

Perfect, thank you.

3:52:39

Okay, are there any other questions right now?

3:52:42

Great presentation.

3:52:45

Thank you, and you'll be back.

3:52:46

Thank you very much.

3:52:48

Okay, staff.

3:53:04

I can try.

3:53:06

So Damien, they did a an absolutely excellent job going through this project.

3:53:11

So don't feel like you need to repeat.

3:53:13

We can see how you can shorten yours since we've got a really good idea of what this is.

3:53:18

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

3:53:19

And we will do my voice is a little raspy today, so it action item as stated is annexation and zoning for BC, RMH, RS4, and IP Industrial Park for 405 acres.

3:53:38

So property details, it's around that state highway that is coming in and is in the state highway 16 specific area plan.

3:53:46

Um currently there's a lot of farm field out there that's within the county, as well as some pre-existing neighborhoods and county subdivisions.

3:53:58

And currently working on utilities out there, as well as with this, we will have to have a development agreement.

3:54:05

It has currently been reviewed with Preston and will be in the conditions of approval to have that development agreement so we can get a lot of these locked in.

3:54:19

It has to follow the guidelines of a master plan community as well as the regulations of the specific area plan for highway 16.

3:54:28

Here is that map.

3:54:30

And here's the proposed zones.

3:54:32

It does meet that map head on.

3:54:34

They're asking for no changes from that.

3:54:45

15% to 17% to 15 to 7% within the IP zone industrial park zone, and this is allowable per the allowances of the master plan community.

3:55:00

Here is their proposed open space and zoning again.

3:55:03

And that conceptual plan that was shown in their presentation.

3:55:09

All right, for correspondence.

3:55:11

We did receive a variety of comments from a lot of organizations to go through them.

3:55:15

Nampa Code Compliance said annexation is not recommended until the issues of the weeds are destroyed throughout the property.

3:55:22

NAMP fire district provided general comments and water supply comments since there's no plat at this time, and this is just getting the zoning in the master plan community.

3:55:29

We'll provide more comments at the time that these areas are platted.

3:55:34

Nampa Parkson Rec has reviewed the annexation request and requests for a 20-foot wide permanent easement on the top bank along the 10 mile creek to be given to the city of Nampa and to be part of the NAMPA's bicycle pedestrian and master plan community.

3:55:49

And they request that it is constructed to the standards.

3:56:04

NAMPA Engineering provided a variety of comments regarding legal districts descriptions and working on that predam trunk sewer line as well describing the roadways and providing some conditions that will be the recommended conditions.

3:56:21

This does not currently about the state highway system, but it will be once the state highway 16 is uh completed in 2027.

3:56:30

Uh traffic generation numbers weren't provided for this application because there's no current platting, um, so that'll be something they'll have to come back through at the time of plotting.

3:56:38

We did receive a con uh comment from COMPASS, and this one was a little bit interesting, so they do an analysis of these kinds of projects on connectivity and like availability of sewer and services and things that nature, and they give it a score.

3:56:53

Uh so I spoke with the people at COMPASS about their rating.

3:56:57

They did not provide uh with their survey, they tried to provide weight on an application, but we didn't have all the information at this time.

3:57:08

Uh, because there's no sidewalk out there, there's not currently sewer.

3:57:12

The the application is a little bit too early to get this analysis done.

3:57:15

So we spoke about it, and they are going to provide further analysis at the time of plotting.

3:57:20

We did receive a variety of public comments.

3:57:23

They were regarding traffic, fear of lowering property values, water capacity, and not wanting to live in your apartments.

3:57:29

These are all provided in your staff report.

3:57:33

Here are the applicable rank regulations for annexation.

3:57:35

We'll cover these in the findings.

3:57:39

So that all private landowners have consented to annexation, that the property shall be contiguous with the city limits, not only through shoestring connection or strip of land compromising of highway or right-of-way.

3:57:50

Um, staff found these to be met.

3:57:54

That the comprehensive plan includes the area of annexation.

3:57:57

This is within that and within the SAP.

3:58:00

And when applicable for annexation of all roadways, are all portions of highways, so on and so forth.

3:58:06

The right-of-way will be annexed as part of this application.

3:58:08

So staff has found these to be met.

3:58:11

Here are the findings for zoning.

3:58:13

Um, that the proposed map amendments is our or would be in harmony with the city's currently adopted comprehensive plan and comprehensive plan future land use map.

3:58:22

Uh the proposed annexation follows the specific area plan and the comp plan.

3:58:26

So staff found this to be met.

3:58:30

That the proposed map amendments is our would provide a proposed use or set of uses that would be at least reasonably compatible with existing or joining property uses.

3:58:37

This follows the plan that was set forth through the state highway specific area plan.

3:58:43

So staff found this to be met as well as being along the Eustach Road corridor.

3:58:49

And that the pro map amendments is or would be in the best interest of the public and reasonably necessary with the development of the state highway 16, um, and being under that specific area plan.

3:58:59

Staff found this to be met.

3:59:02

Here are the recommended conditions of approval and highlighted this was not in the staff report, but after reviewing the development agreement with Preston, um, this was added to it under the condition of the development agreement is required to be reviewed by the city attorney.

3:59:16

This just provides a couple specific uses that wouldn't be allowed in those zones that were in the development agreement.

3:59:22

It's just a lot easier to have them under the conditions.

3:59:24

So in the future, when people are reading decision letters that they can be read.

3:59:31

And here are your potential motions, and I'll stand for any questions.

3:59:35

Thank you.

3:59:36

That was he went through that very well.

3:59:38

Good job, Dave.

3:59:40

Any questions from council?

3:59:44

Well, that was easy.

3:59:46

Okay, no questions at this time.

3:59:48

So this is a public hearing.

3:59:49

I think we do have a couple of people signed up.

3:59:51

Madam Mayor, we have four people have requested to provide public testimony, and our first speaker is Michael Murphy.

4:00:03

Good evening, Mayor Mayor and Council.

4:00:06

Nice to be here.

4:00:07

This will be very brief.

4:00:09

My address is 1087 West River Street, suite 150 in uh Boise.

4:00:16

Um I think the 405-acre project is terrific.

4:00:20

I am here in support of it.

4:00:22

And I'm supporting it for a couple of reasons.

4:00:24

Number one, we need the residential, and it's going to supply residential.

4:00:29

But number two, we have significant industrial areas.

4:00:34

And this project and properties are at the absolute gateway to Northeast Napa.

4:00:42

But more importantly, if you look at the entire Persia Valley, and you want to put a pin on the map right in the middle, that's what this gateway is.

4:00:50

So it's great for Napa, number one.

4:00:53

But number two, we have all these bright young kids getting out of Boise State, and all these young people that are moving here because it's a great place to live.

4:01:02

This is a phenomenal job opportunity for us to bring to this location, RD, and tech and high end industrial, and maybe some life science companies because of the freeway on and off Rampant VST and the gateway it's gonna create.

4:01:25

Thank you very much.

4:01:26

Thank you.

4:01:28

Oh, sorry.

4:01:31

Sorry.

4:01:33

One moment.

4:01:36

Our next person, let's go ahead and give that name and they can be walking up while we fix it.

4:01:40

Yeah, I okay.

4:01:41

I couldn't get out of this.

4:01:43

Um our next speaker is Anna Bottmiller.

4:01:48

Okay.

4:01:48

She was um in support of this project.

4:01:52

Our next speaker is Julie Barnes.

4:01:58

Hi Julie, thank you for giving us your name and address, and you'll have three minutes.

4:02:02

Julie Barnes, um, 4957 Golden Spur.

4:02:06

And um, when he when Councilman Griffin was asking about the one area in the middle, that's where I live, and they're acre lots.

4:02:15

So they'll be bordered by two of those yellow um sections.

4:02:19

Um so part of my concern, well, let's see.

4:02:24

I would came to the planning and zoning meeting that was like a a month ago, and one of the commissioners said that they weren't familiar with this part of NAMPA, and that really kind of surprised me, and I've thought about that several times, thinking if they're not familiar with the area, it would be good to go and check it out and drive it and see the traffic problems that are already there before this development comes in.

4:02:54

Um, when she asked me, do I am I against or for this?

4:03:01

I really didn't have an answer because I know growth and development is going to happen.

4:03:08

I just think we it would be good to do it responsibly responsibly and planning for the traffic before the traffic is way out of control.

4:03:21

Um, like I noticed on Star Road.

4:03:23

I live off of Star Road, and um two of the developments north of us, they did require city council must have required them to do right turn lanes, and that's great and wonderful for for them, but getting out onto star turning left, even well, turning left is almost impossible at some times of the day, and those right small right turn lanes didn't don't help a mile down the road, they help traffic to get off into their subdivision.

4:03:58

Um so I think we need to address these three country roads that are three sides of this um square mile that are just two-lane country roads.

4:04:13

We're putting a lot of cars, a lot of traffic on those little teeny country roads.

4:04:20

Um let's see.

4:04:24

So and you know they've talked about traffic study.

4:04:28

Does that happen by their request of the company, or is that an independent independent um company that does that that doesn't have a vested interest in it?

4:04:41

And um yeah, I would just hope that we would consider fixing the problem before it's an out-of-control problem.

4:04:54

And there was another question that was asked.

4:05:00

Oh, in um planning and zoning is what butts up to this well, the McDermott on the Meridian side, and it's a it's a farmhouse and farmland.

4:05:09

It isn't Madame Maritime or anything like that.

4:05:13

So thank you.

4:05:15

Thank you very much.

4:05:17

Our next speaker is Drew Eggers.

4:05:26

Hi, Mayor Kling, City Council.

4:05:29

I appreciate the opportunity to speak today.

4:05:32

Um my home address is 2256 North Waggle Place, Marinian, Idaho.

4:05:39

My wife and I, we own 70 acres, uh 4437 West Cherry Lane, which is wet east west of the new highway 16 and south of Cherry Lane, 70 acres.

4:05:54

Um I was involved with the planning process of this whole area a few years ago with uh uh interested people and city staff, and it's it's uh fun for me to see future plans that will probably happen out there.

4:06:14

Uh we are in favor of of this process, and uh uh think it's a a great thing for the area.

4:06:22

You know, the land uses out there the last 30 years have changed, and we accept those changes.

4:06:29

Uh I thank you very much.

4:06:31

Mayor Kling, I want to say thank you very, very much for your leadership in the city of Napa.

4:06:38

Uh I think you'll be missed.

4:06:40

And uh thank you.

4:06:42

And I'm sorry, I missed a memo about my the Christmas letters.

4:06:47

Thank you very much.

4:06:48

Thank you.

4:06:50

Madam Mayor Madam Mayor, we do not have anyone else signed up.

4:06:55

Is there anyone?

4:06:56

Yes.

4:06:57

Okay, so we have two people in the back first, and then we'll go to you next.

4:07:01

And thank you so much.

4:07:02

Good evening.

4:07:05

I'll just be brief.

4:07:07

Um I never thought I lived out there my whole life, Drew and I are sort of the last comment.

4:07:11

Name and address.

4:07:12

Excuse me.

4:07:12

Sorry, that's I'm Doug Thurgood, and I live at 17245 Canada Road.

4:07:20

Um Drew and I have farmed out there all of our lives, and so we're very familiar with the extreme change, which we probably never thought that we would see in our lifetime.

4:07:29

But I am in support of uh this project.

4:07:32

We are very anxious to get the gravity sewer down Eustach Road.

4:07:36

Uh we are needing that at our place in particular.

4:07:39

Um the widening of Eustach Road is really emphasized the uh inability to move equipment around.

4:07:46

And uh one thing that I would request that as we put the sewer in that we try not to get all the intersections closed at once, starting at Franklin Road, going back to Star Road.

4:07:57

Uh that has been a big concern for us, and so I hope there's some coordination with all of the highway districts on that.

4:08:03

Um I have really felt that personally as we've closed down McMillan Road all summer and it's gonna be closed down another year yet, and then the widening of Eustach Road.

4:08:11

But that's my only request is do we have coordination on when we put the sewer in.

4:08:16

Thank you.

4:08:18

Thank you for being here.

4:08:19

And Crystal Craig is here and heard I wanted to thank you for your service to the community as well.

4:08:24

It's been very much appreciated.

4:08:26

Thank you so much.

4:08:27

Well, I understand your pain, and with the closure of McMillan and Crystal's here, and so we're listening to that.

4:08:36

Um, in fact, we did even on that closure, it's tough.

4:08:40

But thank you for your comment and definitely listening.

4:08:43

Thank you.

4:08:44

Is there a oh yes, it's your term.

4:08:47

And go ahead and share your name and address.

4:08:50

I'm Kim Hatch.

4:08:52

Uh grew up Meridian.

4:08:54

Uh my dad that 40 acres on uh Star Road in Cherry Lane that was I farmed that with my dad for years and years and years.

4:09:02

Madame May Um 17232 Star Road.

4:09:08

Uh so my concern is going high density right next to that subdivision that's uh spur wing or what I don't know what it is that uh whatever, but I I'm an acre, and is uh uh my understanding you can go only 80 percent of the the lot you're next to.

4:09:29

Is that correct?

4:09:30

Because I'd hate to go six uh houses per acre right next to me.

4:09:37

We'll let them we'll let the applicant come back when you're done and address that.

4:09:41

Another uh thing I have a concern about is I fight fires for a living on a helicopter pilot, and I've seen houses where they're so close together, the radiant heat.

4:09:51

You're if a fire if a house goes up, you're not gonna stop it because they're too close together, and if you put them too close together, you're just not gonna stop it.

4:10:01

Paradise, California, Cameron Peak Fire in Colorado, Spring Creek, Colorado, and the houses just go when they're too close together.

4:10:10

I think you should be concerned about putting the houses too close together.

4:10:16

And and traffic on Star Road, just like she said, is horrible.

4:10:21

So something needs to be done about that.

4:10:24

Those are my concerns.

4:10:26

Thank you for being here, and thank you for your service.

4:10:28

Thank you for what you do.

4:10:29

It's appreciated.

4:10:31

Thank you.

4:10:33

Is there anyone else that had intended to testify tonight?

4:10:38

Okay, this is an opportunity for applicant to come back and maybe address a couple of the just most recent comments.

4:10:51

Madam Mayor, members of the council.

4:10:53

Um I'll start with Mr.

4:10:55

Hatch's comments about the adjacent residential.

4:10:58

So uh a few points.

4:11:00

So we are just planning what is um consistent with your plans.

4:11:04

We aren't asking for any greater density or change in those.

4:11:07

Um we're following the plans that you've set forth for medium density residential and the zones that you've determined are compatible with that designation.

4:11:15

Um, but yes, under your code, you do have um requirements, and that's all set forth in your section 10276 F1, which is part of your subdivision code, and it lays out the particular standards that we will be subject to for subdivision and the the transition.

4:11:34

Um it's it's particularly technical.

4:11:37

I don't know if you want me to read the entire language, but there is a provision that you know if the adjacent lot is over 8,500 square feet, you've got to match 80 percent of the lot line adjacent to that size up to 8,000, which is the max in the RS4 zone.

4:11:53

So it pushes you to match up to 80 percent of that for those larger lots.

4:11:59

Um, and again, would welcome staff's contribution to that if there's anything else about those subdivision about that subdivision transition code.

4:12:07

Um but we take that seriously.

4:12:09

We want to make sure that we're compatible with our neighbors and and uh providing that appropriate transition.

4:12:15

Um as to Mr.

4:12:18

Mrs.

4:12:18

Barnes' comments about the the roads and the traffic improvements in the area.

4:12:23

So um we share her uh points that the development shouldn't precede the road infrastructure, and this is a great opportunity because the city, because of Highway 16 coming in, um, because of the importance of Eustach Road as that east-west corridor, you've already begun the work on the roads, and so it is a it is a case where you've got infrastructure that's coming in before we are.

4:12:48

So the road widening, the the slide that I showed, you've got signals that are going to be added at Canada and STAR.

4:12:55

You're gonna widen the signal that's in place already at Storm, and you're gonna widen um Eustach Road throughout this stretch.

4:13:02

And that's gonna be completed in 2027 before we come forward with active uses here.

4:13:08

We will also be doing our own additional mitigations as required for each preliminary plat.

4:13:15

Um and so as as she mentioned, there's other right turn lanes, et cetera, that have been required for their developments.

4:13:21

That would be required here too.

4:13:23

Um our traffic impact study is paid for by the developer, but it is pursuant to city standards, and it is reviewed and accepted by the city highway district going through Daniel's review and his team, and also through ITD that they review those and comment on those and comment on the mitigations required.

4:13:41

And so we don't just get to say anything, it it follows a very strict formula based on the city code and your requirements for traffic impact studies.

4:13:49

So all of that will serve to make sure that we've got the infrastructure in place before we're coming forward.

4:13:56

Um and so you know, that's exactly why the city is bringing out the sewer.

4:14:01

That's why these developers are all contributing to the sewer, is we're part of that partnership that is creating the opportunities for the development around Highway 16.

4:14:10

Um, so the infrastructure, the development patterns, and the planning that you guys have put together can all come together in an appropriate sequence and timing to fill out that vision.

4:14:21

So for all these reasons, we do ask for your support and would stand for any further questions you may have at this time.

4:14:28

Thank you very much.

4:14:29

And thank you for addressing the questions.

4:14:31

Hopefully, you guys got the answers that you needed, maybe not.

4:14:35

But I see some yeses and no's.

4:14:37

But um, council, do you have any questions?

4:14:41

Yes, Mayor.

4:14:43

Just in regard to, because it is part of our pack, and something that stood out to me, the Valley View School District's letter.

4:14:52

I just would like to hear your thoughts on that before I give my direction.

4:14:57

I just want to hear your thoughts on on their concerns.

4:15:01

Yes, um, appreciate that.

4:15:02

Mayor, Councilmember Griffin.

4:15:05

So the Valley View School District only covers a small portion of the property up in that um northwest section.

4:15:13

There's 60 acres that are zoned for residential that are within their school district out of the entire 405 here.

4:15:19

Um so they've got a relatively small footprint here for service.

4:15:23

Um and they've expressed concerns about their existing capacity based on current enrollment numbers.

4:15:28

Um our build-out is going to take place over a lengthy period of time.

4:15:33

And so over 15 years, we'll be adding these in until we know where sewer is.

4:15:37

We don't know if that area will be early or not, but that will be known to the city and the school districts at the time that we come in with preliminary plat.

4:15:46

And then they will be able to respond to that.

4:15:49

They can also start their planning now.

4:15:51

That's the beauty of the city having adopted a specific area plan, is school districts and service providers can plan and think about the types of densities that are called for and the number of units and kids they may get from that.

4:16:03

Um in fact, the way you know schools respond uh in every case in every city and around the valley is as development comes in and intensifies the burden of the schools, they have to um respond by either bringing in new facilities, redistricting, you know, your NAMPA schools when they started having capacity issues, that's part of why you gave some of your territory to Valley View to begin with.

4:16:28

Um there's also adjustments of things that are going on with the NAMPA and with the Meridian schools.

4:16:34

West Ada actually serves the bulk of this property, and they have more capacity.

4:16:39

And you can see some of that is responding to development patterns.

4:16:43

Umaihe is filled with a lot of STAR students right now when Star High School is built, it'll be filled with more NAMPA students.

4:16:50

And that's just what happens as development comes in.

4:16:52

School districts respond to that.

4:16:54

So we're sensitive to their comments.

4:16:56

It's appropriate for them to comment on what their current capacities are, but that is going to change and evolve and be um in a responsive position.

4:17:04

Um that was commented on at the PNZ hearing as well, um, where we had um comments that said that that's the way NAMPA um school district responds to development patterns, and so that's what we expect will happen here as well.

4:17:18

Thank you.

4:17:19

So, and just to follow up, the majority of this project will be serviced by West Ada.

4:17:23

That's correct.

4:17:24

Thank you.

4:17:27

Council, yes.

4:17:28

You can go around the horn and then I can that's okay.

4:17:31

Okay.

4:17:50

Okay.

4:17:51

Property with the acres.

4:17:55

Would you be willing if there was a a request to have the portions that are abutting that neighborhood, both on the eastern portion and on the northern portion?

4:18:05

As I'm looking at the map, it's not there, having those properties be larger properties on those bordering areas, and then smaller densities thereafter.

4:18:17

I'm looking at the thank you along that western wall and along the northern wall.

4:18:32

Rodney, while they're talking and the questions, so help me.

4:18:36

Can you explain the transition code, the 80 percent transition code that our gentleman mentioned?

4:18:45

Yep.

4:18:45

Thank you, Mayor.

4:18:46

I can uh let me just share a slide.

4:18:51

Um that for me has helped to explain this.

4:18:57

Um you can have 80 percent of the lot size next to you if it's more than 8,500 square feet.

4:19:06

Um so what these property, if this was a new development and this was next to a 1.33 acre lot, you you could go up to 10,000 square feet.

4:19:19

Um minimum of 80 percent up to 10,000 square feet.

4:19:24

So you don't go beyond that.

4:19:26

That's what's in our current code, and then you can go down to your sub your standard uh lot sizes for the rest of the the zoning district that is not a butting the um larger acre lots.

4:19:42

So can you help me understand though?

4:19:44

When we have a large lot and we're suggesting an RS4, does the abutting lot have to be no smaller than 80 percent of the adjoining lot?

4:19:56

It okay.

4:20:00

It okay so there is a protection based on the question that this gentleman asked that for the adjoining lots, and then you adjust from there, correct?

4:20:07

Right, to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish.

4:20:10

That's which is the beauty of a master plan community is that gives some flexibility.

4:20:16

Is am I understanding that correctly?

4:20:18

It does, but um, this is just in code.

4:20:21

Um we've talked about some other options to look at in the future about even going a little bit bigger for those ones that are uh budding up against the large lots and then kind of transitioning down to 10,000.

4:20:36

Maybe you would do a 20,000 and then a 10,000.

4:20:39

But what's in code right now is this one is up to 10,000 square feet and 80 percent of the lot that you're uh butting up against.

4:20:50

So oh, that's really interesting.

4:20:53

So you guys have probably developed based on planned development based on the 10,000 square feet, not 80 percent, because our code actually doesn't require the 80 percent.

4:21:06

The code does require 80 percent up to 10,000.

4:21:09

So let's say but if it's larger and 80 percent is 12,000, that's correct.

4:21:16

That's the challenge.

4:21:16

That's correct.

4:21:17

Okay, thank you.

4:21:19

It's a gum way over my head.

4:21:23

No, it makes yeah, okay.

4:21:25

If you want to if you want to try and re-explain that to me, mayor, I'd probably appreciate it because it's 10,000.

4:21:32

Well, it did you want to speak to it?

4:21:34

I I would, yes, please, if I could, um, Mayor and Councilmember Griffin.

4:21:38

So um speaking with the developer team, um, they would be agreeable to along your asking for along the existing county properties where there's the one-acre lots, to um, in addition to following the city code's transition standards that Rodney highlighted, um, we would be agreeable to having those particular lots uh be subject to the RS six um standards that will increase those minimum lot sizes up to six thousand and takes you to that ten thousand um foot cap for the border, um, whereas RS4 would put you at an 8,000 foot cap.

4:22:21

So it puts you into a better category for transition.

4:22:25

And um, I mean, that's what we would do naturally anyway for the market, because we are going to want that transition as well, and so that is something that works well to still have a good development pattern here.

4:22:38

You still get the transition you're looking for, matching it perfectly doesn't give you transition, right?

4:22:43

It just mirrors that, and then you end up with the same problem internally, and it doesn't meet your plans for the density you've called for there.

4:22:50

Um, but we'd be open to that um additional condition of adding along those borders with the one-acre properties to have to meet the RS6 dimensional standards in your code.

4:23:02

Thank you.

4:23:05

Thank you.

4:23:06

Council, do you have any other questions?

4:23:08

Madam Mayor have a question.

4:23:09

Yes.

4:23:18

Uh development.

4:23:20

Um I know a couple people that live in there and they have subject issues.

4:23:25

And I'm just curious if they would be interested in connecting to city sewer at some point.

4:23:30

Uh Madam Mayor, Councilmember Reynolds, I don't know if that's comp that conversation still doesn't look like that's come up in the discussions with neighbors at the neighborhood meeting, but um uh we will have an obligation under your code to provide sewer to and through our properties, and so just by being adjacent, they would have at least physical access to the sewer, and then the city judges what the capacities are based on your plans.

4:23:53

But I know that the city through this whole um Pertham sewer trunk line expansion is planning sewer expansion to serve this area consistent with your plans, and so I would expect that you will have that opportunity through the infrastructure that's coming through development and your own expansion plans to bring that capacity.

4:24:13

Thank you.

4:24:16

Okay, council, are there any other questions for our applicant?

4:24:21

Okay, I would stand for well, any any additional comments?

4:24:25

No, thank you.

4:24:26

Unless you have questions, we're gonna appreciate your time.

4:24:29

Thank you very much.

4:24:30

Mayor, I'd move that close public hearing.

4:24:33

Second.

4:24:36

I need opposed.

4:24:38

Thank you.

4:24:39

Mayor, I'd move that we approve the adoption of annexation zoning as presented on the screen.

4:24:44

Second.

4:24:45

With recommended conditions and proposed findings?

4:24:47

Correct.

4:24:48

Did you say that?

4:24:49

I didn't say that, but I said as it is on the screen.

4:24:51

Thank you.

4:24:52

Thank you.

4:24:53

Okay, and the second is still good.

4:24:55

Okay, there's a motion and a second.

4:24:57

Mayor discussion?

4:24:58

Yes.

4:25:00

Um question for Doug.

4:25:02

Doug, as far as the funding goes for the water, the sewer that we have coming up, you stick.

4:25:07

So right now we have funded just to Canada, correct?

4:25:11

We don't have anything funded further more.

4:25:14

You're speaking of the burden grain, right?

4:25:16

Yes.

4:25:17

So that's a three-year program.

4:25:19

We have year one funded.

4:25:21

We have it's a it's a more complex process, and we've got funding options that will need to be brought for council for them to choose from the way they want to continue funding the remainder of it.

4:25:30

As of today, how much are we short?

4:25:34

Well it's not short, we just haven't identified how best source of where to pull the I think it's 12.3 million dollars from.

4:25:42

We have options, but they need to be brought for council for them to choose.

4:25:46

And John, do you have any additional comments to that?

4:25:52

Mayor, no, I don't have anything additional to what Doug has presented.

4:25:56

Okay.

4:25:56

Mayor Mark Store.

4:25:58

Yes, Mark Stoyer.

4:25:59

Yes.

4:26:00

Hi, Mark.

4:26:01

Hi.

4:26:02

Mayor, uh Councilmember Jangula.

4:26:04

Uh Mark Stoyer, Senior Director of Development Services.

4:26:07

The question that you said is just up to Canada.

4:26:10

I want to make a point that everything east of Canada all the way to State Highway 16 will be developer-driven at their cost.

4:26:19

In addition to the contribution of 8.5 million that they've already committed to, they still have the cost for their own development east of Canada.

4:26:30

Correct.

4:26:30

So Mark, follow up for that IP to get developed.

4:26:35

We as a city aren't funding any of that.

4:26:37

That's develop developer funded.

4:26:41

Yes, a portion of sewer that will actually get where they will connect in that IP area will be funded by the developer.

4:26:48

So everything east of Canada.

4:26:50

It actually is going to go south on Canada across Mr.

4:26:53

Murphy's property, and then across one of Mark Bottle's represented properties and then onward all the way to State Highway 16.

4:27:01

Okay.

4:27:01

And then the timeline is that also in the same timeline as the 2027, or is that further out?

4:27:08

So we as a city will complete up to Canada and Eust by the end of 2027.

4:27:14

And then that point it would be governed by whatever their uh their timelines are on their developments.

4:27:19

Okay, thank you.

4:27:20

I'm just trying to figure out how we can as far as the road closures going and us working working together so that we're not ripping a road back up or that we're opening it and then closing it again.

4:27:30

I just want to we will not.

4:27:31

We don't do that.

4:27:32

And so there is a very specific plan in place.

4:27:36

The uh the sewer actually will not be on Eustach as it's east of Canada, it will be going south of that.

4:27:43

Okay, and then when on uh west of Canada, it's we have a one-dick policy, and so we're we're working with that.

4:27:51

So we will not tear up a road.

4:27:53

Yeah, thanks, Mayor.

4:27:55

A lot of uh work and thought has gone into that.

4:27:57

Yeah.

4:27:59

Fair.

4:28:00

Did I get anything wrong there?

4:28:01

Just want to make sure I'm saying the right thing.

4:28:03

Okay.

4:28:04

Any additional uh questions or comments?

4:28:07

This is discussion time.

4:28:08

We do have a motion and a second.

4:28:11

I'm just weighing all things.

4:28:13

I I try and be appreciative of what the developer and the group is trying to do here because I I know that it'll be a good project with a significant investment in the area that it will be developed.

4:28:25

That's the reality, it will be developed.

4:28:28

Trying to balance the school district, and I know that's not necessarily something that we can weigh a denial on, so I'm not giving it so much weight, but just trying to think holistically.

4:28:39

Uh that's something on my mind.

4:28:41

When I was thinking the properties on the bordering both on the western portion and the northern portion, I was thinking more RS22.

4:28:50

Just simply that there is that transition from those acres down.

4:28:54

I wouldn't expect that on the northern portion of the northern development.

4:28:58

That's RS8.

4:28:59

That's already gonna take care of itself.

4:29:03

So I think there is just transition periods.

4:29:06

Uh I know that we have it in code that it'll likely be whatever that calculation ends up at being at 10,000 square foot lot.

4:29:15

It's still significantly smaller than a 44,000 square foot lot of that of an acre.

4:29:21

So uh I don't know that it's worth uh banging our heads on it all night over, and uh I think there's eagerness to move forward.

4:29:30

I would hope that we could be hopefully receptive to maybe adding a development agreement provision to have that transition period area in those two portions be higher to alleviate some heartburn of of residents there.

4:29:48

I know you're not all of Napa or Canyon County, but uh we're in charge of this growth pattern here, so I think we need to be conscientious of it.

4:29:56

I'm very excited about the pathways.

4:30:00

Uh Mark, you do a great job with that.

4:30:01

So I think I don't know how you're going to do it under the state highway, but I can't wait to see it.

4:30:06

So those are my uh thoughts for now.

4:30:09

Thank you.

4:30:10

Okay.

4:30:10

Was that sorry, Mayor?

4:30:12

Was that part of the motion?

4:30:13

No, it wasn't.

4:30:14

I don't have any of that.

4:30:15

No.

4:30:16

Okay.

4:30:18

If you want it to be a part of the motion, I would probably ask for it.

4:30:22

But you could ask them if they'd be willing to amend.

4:30:25

Uh I'll ask them.

4:30:26

I councilman Bills, would you be willing to be amend your motion to have that transition area both on the northern portion of that southwest um area towards the center of the mouth.

4:30:41

I don't even know how to designate it.

4:30:43

Those two single family detached properties in the center lower portion of the full build out that's abutting the acre properties, having them be a higher designation like RS22, and then transition down from there.

4:31:02

Uh no.

4:31:03

Uh the we've had considerable conversation with staff uh since a year ago when the Southwest Area Plan was put in play.

4:31:16

Uh staff has before them and working on a transition requirements between acreage and standard city.

4:31:26

I think if there's any change, it would just be that at the time of development, it's meeting, which is kind of already the standard language, would be meeting the uh requirements of the city.

4:31:41

So that whole requirement was the idea of uh creating transition, so you you're not putting 4,000 lot square foot lots against 43,000 square foot lots.

4:31:57

Um it was to build the transition one street worth of lots transitioning in size.

4:32:05

I think if that comes forward in our regular code, then it will be so the only question here tonight is it'd be subject to any future uh transitional requirements placed in code at the time that they do the actual plating.

4:32:26

Um that's what we were trying to do, at least what I was trying to propose for the Southwest area plan to make those transition to those acre lots, two-acre lots uh type of deal.

4:32:40

So that that's where that's where I see it happening to try to pinpoint exactly which subdivision is gonna have you know X square footage of lots and so forth.

4:32:53

Well, what do you do when you miss one?

4:32:55

What do you do with the person who doesn't in a subdivision but has two-acre lot sitting off of Canada?

4:33:02

Um that's why we were trying to work to get a some language into our transition.

4:33:12

So that's where I think it stays, and if anything, the only amendment would be that uh in the amendment of abutting uh you know, rural subdivisions already developed, you know, would comply at the time of flatten.

4:33:30

But mayor, just for follow-up for staff then it's gonna be similar to what they are proposing.

4:33:37

It it would have a little bit higher requirement is what I was pitching with staff.

4:33:42

And the only reason I bring it up, I know that we've done similar projects.

4:33:45

I think to the Greenhurst Project, Southern Nampa, where it was abutting a similar neighborhood, and we had all along that portion it stayed single level and they were bigger lots.

4:33:55

So I I didn't think it was too far out there, but I understand we're we've amended the code somewhat since.

4:34:02

Mayor, if I could to staff what what will in layman's terms likely be that transition period directly abutting the acre properties, what size lots would be going there?

4:34:18

I'd have to look at their exact zoning, but I I think it's uh RS six, is that right?

4:34:26

Is that what we saw?

4:34:28

I believe they shared that it would be a 10,000 square foot lot.

4:34:32

So it would be 10,000.

4:34:33

Yeah, correct.

4:34:35

That's what they said that they would do was move it up from an 8,000 to a 10,000 at the 80 percent.

4:34:41

They were willing if we added that amendment to it, but it's currently set as RS4, correct?

4:34:46

They uh they said that they would be willing to move it up to 10,000 square feet.

4:34:50

Did I understand that correctly?

4:34:52

As part of a development agreement, or that's already what's going to happen.

4:34:55

I thought that was a provision that you were amenable to to they said that they were amenable to it prior to right.

4:35:04

They need to talk to staff because this is we've already closed public hearing, so we can't visit with them.

4:35:09

But they said that they would be willing to go with the 10,000 square foot, is what I heard them say.

4:35:15

Willing to, so I would encourage that if that is part of the motion that it be added to the motion as a part of the development agreement, because they said they would have to with recommended conditions and proposed findings.

4:35:26

Yeah, it got it.

4:35:29

I think so.

4:35:30

I the issue is if if we get the transition zone ordinance put together, the new platts will all be subject to that transition.

4:35:44

Uh so it will come forward.

4:35:46

And so it's part of the recommended conditions is and that's that's just what I'm trying to understand.

4:35:55

I don't know.

4:35:56

Rodney, could you speak to this?

4:35:58

Because I think they may be wanting if I were the applicant, I would want to know what was being expected of me.

4:36:04

Mayor and council, um, they what they would be willing to do right now is have RS six as that bordering zone to that subdivision that's a larger lot subdivision.

4:36:18

If that's zoned RS six, the minimum requirement for acre lots next to the acre lots would be 10,000 square feet.

4:36:32

Oh, it wouldn't be your own zone.

4:36:33

You would stay RS4.

4:36:35

Okay.

4:36:35

So that's right.

4:36:37

RS4 would stay 10,000 would be okay because you can do a 20 percent increase with a master plan community from the minimum requirement of 8,000 square feet.

4:36:49

So you you're still gonna be able to get up to at least really close to that 10,000 square foot lot.

4:36:55

And is there anything additional that we need to state in our motion to solidify that?

4:37:00

I understand that we all understand that, but is it something that needs to be in it I would put I would recommend you do a condition that those lots next to the large lot silver spur subdivision in the county be 10,000 square foot lots that abut it.

4:37:20

Madam Mayor?

4:37:22

Yes.

4:37:22

Just a comment.

4:37:23

Uh the developer had mentioned that they were focused on market-driven uh decisions for this um master plan, and that would be something that would drive them to have that transition space.

4:37:37

So I am in favor of leaving it as stated uh by councilman bills.

4:37:44

Okay, again, I think if the city adopts and the transition requirements to these type of projects that aren't just silver spur, but all these projects that we've been dealing with for the past two years that uh from my side.

4:38:08

So you know, possibly my amended motion is to approve what's on the screen with all recommended conditions approvals as well as the revision of transition on lot sizes uh ordinance forthcoming.

4:38:26

So I have a question about the uh I'd like to ask a question on that because it's very difficult, if you don't mind me saying, for a developer that has proposed something to not know what their minimum is, because if we come in afterwards, and are we allowed to do that after the fact come in and change our ordinance, which would require them to go up if we change our transition ordinance?

4:38:55

That just seems really awkward.

4:38:58

Yeah.

4:38:59

How do you develop to that when you don't know what it's gonna cost you in your return?

4:39:04

Okay, I might have uh Mayor, to your question, they're gonna have to go through planning and right now they're entitled to um the standards that are before them right now for us after the fact to modify the zoning.

4:39:18

I don't know if that would affect it.

4:39:20

Uh they're gonna be RS4, right?

4:39:23

That's the Yeah, but the zone would be RS4.

4:39:29

Yet they've committed to do a minimum of 10,000 square feet on the abutting lots.

4:39:34

So but well, Rodney, you may need to remind me.

4:39:42

It seems like you did a report before council some time back that talked about this type of transition that we had discussed and worked on.

4:39:51

I don't know that we've necessarily codified it or revise the the ordinance.

4:39:58

Yeah.

4:40:00

So mayor and council, the the discussion we've had, and it hasn't gone to ordinance yet.

4:40:07

We were waiting for the April code updates to do that.

4:40:12

But the ordinance that we talked about was to do 40,000 square foot lots next to anything larger than a one acre or larger, and then you would transition down to the next row being 20,000 square foot lots, and then it could just go to regular zoning.

4:40:49

So the minimum you could do right now, and as you said, that there could be some code changes to address this, but right now the the um maximum lot size you could get was 20 percent above the um the allowed maximum of the lot size.

4:41:11

So if the allowed maximum for a 4,000 square foot lot or an RS4 zoned lot is 8,000 square feet, you could go 20 percent above that right now.

4:41:22

But if we were to propose code changes in the meantime and look at 40,000 square foot lots down to 20,000 square foot lots down to RS4, 4,000 square foot lots, that would be handled during the plating process as has been discussed here.

4:41:43

Um so I think that to mayors to your point the concern here is that they are they're looking at a master plan community right now.

4:41:56

So they're looking at our codes right now, saying here's what we can accomplish.

4:42:01

So it's that balancing act of okay, how much information do you want to give them to direct them to go a certain direction versus just allow code to handle it later on, and that's that's a tough decision.

4:42:18

Mayor I think Doug has something we wants to say.

4:42:20

Yes, Doug?

4:42:22

I'm sorry, and I I don't mean to disrupt here.

4:42:25

Um in the in the uh comprehensive plan in 1026.1 it says that master plan communities allow alterations to lot sizes, bulk requirements, setbacks, building heights, and placement of structures.

4:42:40

So given what uh Rodney's indicated here, there is the option when developing a master plan community at this stage to state that the council desires for lots adjacent to this to be larger in size, up to whatever the 10,000 square feet per that per that direction, and then that could be I'm assuming Rodney, this would be a condition, right?

4:43:05

That would be added.

4:43:07

So that's correct.

4:43:10

It could be a condition to like solidify it in code.

4:43:15

Um you could also put a development agreement, you know, put in the development agreement that this is what is approved at this point.

4:43:22

This is the concept that's approved, and and say exactly what could be done.

4:43:28

Um but you that doing it that way, I think I'm looking at precedent here, would kind of supersede what would happen later on with code.

4:43:41

So if you're wanting to give them direction now, you put it in the development agreement saying here's what you can do.

4:43:49

If you don't do that, then they are left to whatever code is decided on uh before they come forward with a a preliminary plat.

4:44:00

Yeah, Mayor, if I may add on that.

4:44:02

Um this is a really important juncture.

4:44:06

I can sense that it is, and you want to know and have expectations as an applicant what you're building against.

4:44:13

Um you have a standard here right now.

4:44:16

We have an existing code, we have zoning dimensions and all that.

4:44:20

If that were the then change down the road, they would be probably deemed a non-conforming use that's legal, right?

4:44:27

Um if you want to have some predictability, the best place to do that is your DA.

4:44:32

That way, if you know you're anticipating some changes and the developers on board with those dimensions, um, you can put that in as you wish.

4:44:40

Um we have a draft DA currently right now, but if the motion included that uh to be included, that could be a requirement in the DA subject to you know fine-tuning, but DA is going to be your safest spot for predictability here.

4:44:55

Otherwise, you will it that's just your best spot.

4:45:01

Can I ask a question?

4:45:02

So we adopted an area specific plan.

4:45:06

That area specific plan is what when we have someone developing that they're developing to, because that's what we have agreed to and set forth.

4:45:16

So which makes it very difficult because I believe they developed and brought something forward based on our plan.

4:45:25

If we're going to make these changes, are we going to go back and change our area specific plan because it's not consistent with our area specific plan?

4:45:35

So I guess that would be the question I have.

4:45:37

Are we going to adjust our area specific plan?

4:45:41

What I might add to that is there's this concept of vested rights that they apply, they got their application at a specific time and in a way they're locked into that standard, regardless of what you change.

4:45:53

Um there's sometimes an incentive to do that if they know a code is going to be changed.

4:45:58

So they have done that with that specific area plan with your zoning designation.

4:46:04

What you change after the fact will apply to new development.

4:46:09

Um they will be vested in there and have that you know legal non-conformity grandfather right continued on some aspects, but the DA is where you really want to get specific, and if there's some specific numbers that are in mind here, this would be the time to put that in your motion.

4:46:28

Okay, Ronnie, if you want to add anything from the planning angle.

4:46:32

I I think that's accurate.

4:46:33

I just uh I'm a little concerned if we said 20,000 square foot lots, RS4 zone doesn't allow that size locked right now.

4:46:44

It wouldn't even it it wouldn't be possible in that RS4 zone.

4:46:49

So even with the 20% increase, that's that's not gonna get you to that 20,000 square foot lot.

4:46:55

So I'm a little concerned about that.

4:46:59

Our our specific area plans are guidelines, and then we put that into code, and that is what's in code is the 10,000 square foot lot with a master plan.

4:47:10

So I'm I'm a little concerned about that just because the R score doesn't go that high.

4:47:16

Mayor?

4:47:17

I I would ask that we take a vote because I think we're beating a bush that's not going to really change either way.

4:47:23

Yeah.

4:47:24

I think I would agree with you on that one.

4:47:27

Okay, so unless there's a different discussion point.

4:47:33

Mayor, I guess I just wonder what the hesitancy is of councilman bills and reynolds for putting that condition in there for the the 10,000.

4:47:42

I'm just curious.

4:47:48

Is there a reason why you're hesitant to say the recommended conditions uh with the 10,000 square foot?

4:47:55

Is there a reason why you're hesitant to do that in your motion?

4:47:59

Because it would give them the guarantee that they need.

4:48:02

It would give them the ability to move forward without a code changing it that they don't know that pencils from now or a year from now.

4:48:10

Yeah.

4:48:11

12 could be five years so forth.

4:48:13

The issue isn't the square footage, the issue is do you take a 40 foot or 60 foot wide lot and put it against a lot that's 180 feet wide?

4:48:23

So you end up with three neighbors looking at your back door and patio, you're looking at three houses, not one house.

4:48:30

So what we were trying to affect was uh having uh footage, not square footage, but distance.

4:48:39

So one aspect was square footage, the other was what are people looking at.

4:48:45

And so yeah, you can go up 10 you can go up 10,000 square feet, but you can also be 150 feet uh long and you got 50 against an acreage lot, you can still put three, four houses against something that's existing.

4:48:59

So back during the Southwest area plan, it was a suggestion on how to try to mitigate what the public was telling us from the Southwest.

4:49:08

Uh so I was just raising that issue on this because of the folks who have here asking the question.

4:49:16

So uh we don't have it worked out, and so that at best we can do is the recommended conditions of approval and proposed findings and see where still subject to uh any plating requirements against an acreage uh subdivision.

4:49:36

I mean, that's a real generality.

4:49:38

It doesn't give you specifics, but you know it it is an I mean I've been down it.

4:49:46

We used to have code used to say half of the lot adjacent lot.

4:49:52

I can't remember some of them.

4:49:53

We had two or three county subs that we developed against, and we had to make these large triangular lots to work, you know, under that time era.

4:50:00

We had to make these large triangular lots to work, you know, under that time error.

4:50:06

So I'm also fine with just as it is.

4:50:10

And then it's just going to happen as the market as the market goes.

4:50:14

So I was just only offering some of those, and unfortunately, uh taking twenty minutes and added confusion rather than solution.

4:50:24

So we could leave the motion just as it is and move.

4:50:28

With that, I think we're going to call for the vote.

4:50:37

Yes.

4:50:53

So that was a long discussion.

4:51:02

I miss living by your mint fields, Drew.

4:51:07

It's good to see you.

4:51:42

Sorry.

5:00:11

Okay, guys, we better get started.

5:00:13

We have a few more action items.

5:00:17

So here we go.

5:00:20

We're gonna go to five six on the agenda when we get our council members back.

5:00:25

I guess we're just missing one.

5:00:28

Okay.

5:00:30

Okay, we are gonna move on to five six.

5:00:34

And this is just a discussion item.

5:00:37

And these are the proposed council bylaws regarding meeting conduct and ethical standards.

5:00:45

And um I think I'll defer to council president Reynolds on this particular item.

5:00:52

And I hope you all have had a chance to read them.

5:00:56

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

5:01:00

So this item uh came to light this past year with some things that uh we had happen here at council, and um I uh we didn't have any um any good bylaws for city council, so I had asked uh our city attorney Preston to put together some bylaws that we would adopt uh for council meetings and for council members, and so Preston put together this list.

5:01:29

I hope all of you have read through it.

5:01:31

There was a couple of different uh comments that have been added to it, and um with that I'll turn it over to Preston.

5:01:42

Thank you, Council President.

5:01:44

Um there any questions right now I can address before diving into generalities.

5:01:53

Yeah.

5:01:57

Griffin, do you have any questions?

5:01:59

No, but I will at some point, so I was just making sure I was live.

5:02:02

Okay.

5:02:03

I will say that we did have a code of conduct in place that we actually all signed back in 2021.

5:02:12

We passed it as a resolution and we signed it.

5:02:15

The current one we have was not passed as a resolution, even though we signed it.

5:02:21

All of our council members signed our code of conduct.

5:02:24

However, the one thing that I learned was that it didn't really have any teeth.

5:02:29

And so um our attorney looked at it and created from that the bylaws that are in your packet.

5:02:37

The code of conduct will remain unchanged, I believe, based on review, and will come forward for city council on your January 5th meeting to be able to sign again, even though you've already signed it.

5:02:52

This time it will be passed as a resolution, so that will be coming back.

5:02:57

This is an additional document in addition to that.

5:03:01

And this is for discussion purposes.

5:03:03

However, we have put it, I believe, as an action item on our workshop that is this coming Thursday morning to approve as an action item if you guys agree to it.

5:03:12

So tonight it's just discussion, it's not an action.

5:03:20

I'll just add to that.

5:03:22

Um that if you have things that you would like to see amended or added, whatever however that looks like for you that tonight would be the time to talk about it so we can get that changed before our Thursday meeting.

5:03:39

Mayor?

5:03:40

Go ahead.

5:03:40

No, go ahead.

5:03:42

Well, I sent uh Russ and a couple of yeah comments, and then I highlighted one that would be page three of the document.

5:03:52

If it was labeled so it says uh for potential violation of duties under IDO code 5604, and I realize I forgot to look up 50 six oh four or what those it seems like we need to maybe cite that code but put some type of little summary statement or two three words in parentheses.

5:04:20

So it's at the bottom of section one point oh seven.

5:04:24

Okay.

5:04:26

Uh in the last or in the sentence of number C Let me pull that up real quick.

5:04:46

Has to do with being absent or uh I'm there now.

5:04:51

Thanks for a minute for me to pull that up.

5:04:54

Uh state law, if I may just talk very generally about bylaws.

5:05:00

It's referenced once.

5:05:01

It does not go into a lot of granular detail like you might expect about what powers you can do and how you set your bylaws.

5:05:10

It leaves a lot of things pretty open-ended and up to the discretion of the governing body.

5:05:16

And so, in a way, we are creating our own bylaws.

5:05:20

Um there are some cities that have adopted it.

5:05:24

Um I've seen city council take some action is for some pretty egregious acts by a city council member or mayor where a public censure has been used.

5:05:34

But that is the that is one off, and that is something you can do one off.

5:05:38

These bylaws are more of kind of kind of a corporate document, kind of a back office document that governs a lot of the affairs of the city.

5:05:46

Your code of conduct that you'll see on the fifth is kind of more of a front office plaque type of document.

5:05:51

The there's a significant amount of overlap between the two.

5:05:56

Um the code provision, Councilman Bills, you pointed to 5604.

5:06:00

It's it's an old code written in 1967.

5:06:05

Idaho cities have been using that for how many years is that now?

5:06:09

Push in 60.

5:06:12

And that is the guidance that we've received.

5:06:15

It's a one-sentence code that we're trying to fan out into something of a much broader, mainly bylaws.

5:06:22

So can you quickly read us the the one sentence of that code?

5:06:26

Yes, I can.

5:06:27

Uh the mayor shall have the power to call special meetings of the city council, the object of which shall be submitted to the council in writing.

5:06:35

The call and object as well as the disposition thereof shall be entered upon the journal by the clerk.

5:06:42

So a lot of specifics, right?

5:06:43

That gives you a pretty open-ended idea that you can call some special meetings, and that is I have to find toe holds or footholds for you authorizing you to do what you're wanting to do here, which is adopt bylaws, have special meetings to talk about violations.

5:07:02

Okay, so this is the best foothold that the state statutes given us.

5:07:05

5604 is dealing with special meetings to talk about whatever you go to say that potential violations of duties oh under special meetings and these bylaws.

5:07:17

That's right.

5:07:18

Is basically what that's saying.

5:07:19

That's right.

5:07:20

Referencing the code, but it's really just saying under special meetings.

5:07:24

That would be kind of the the setting you would talk about these, yeah.

5:07:28

Okay, thank you.

5:07:33

I will note um as we this was a draft.

5:07:37

Um we've had some a lot of eyes on it.

5:07:39

Thank you for everybody who's had a chance to review.

5:07:41

There was one uh section here about the executive sessions that we wanted to make sure it's 109 subsection D.

5:07:50

Um, all discussions and decisions.

5:07:53

We want to make it explicitly clear that there's no decisions in executive sessions, so that change will be made.

5:08:00

Um we flag that uh hence the draft watermark here.

5:08:04

Um other than that, this hits on parliamentary procedures.

5:08:09

Um it is a little more formal.

5:08:11

We didn't formally adopt Robert's rules of orders, and that's sometimes tossed out.

5:08:16

Well, why don't we adopt it?

5:08:17

If you want to hold yourself to a really strict standard that you can trip on all the time, that's what you should do.

5:08:23

So this grabs a lot of the principles of Roberts rules, puts them in here, but gives you the flexibility so you don't trip up all the time.

5:08:32

And uh yeah, we don't want to do that.

5:08:34

And if I could add to that that over the last several years, eight years that with Association of Hidaho Cities, I've heard numerous discussions about Robert Roberts rules.

5:08:44

And actually, one of the things I've heard is that it's better not to adopt that.

5:08:48

Um it's a it's a good guideline, but we're better off not adopting and trying to go with that just as you've just stated.

5:08:55

Yeah, it'll just create a lot of issues.

5:08:57

Yes, lots of games sitting for pressed in.

5:08:59

Yeah, sure.

5:09:01

Makes my job easier.

5:09:02

So need to ask ask you, mayor, and so forth.

5:09:07

So the one sentence council members and attendees shall address the mayor as Mr.

5:09:11

Mayor or Madam Mayor.

5:09:13

I guess I've been used to just saying mayor, and I didn't know is those two words important, Mr.

5:09:21

Mayor or Madam Mayor or Candidly.

5:09:22

I would get rid of it.

5:09:23

I I found that very awkward when I read it.

5:09:25

So I would not use that personally.

5:09:29

Okay.

5:09:30

So I find it very awkward.

5:09:32

Dale's the only one that doesn't.

5:09:34

Madam Mayor, so I think yes, I would strike those if it were me.

5:09:37

My comment this is your document, not my document, but I agree to no, but I'm asking your opinion.

5:09:42

You've been in the opinion is get rid of Madam and you heard that every meeting or every time there's a comment, it drives me to the case.

5:09:48

Your direction okay.

5:09:50

My comment to that, Councilman Bills is that uh formality of a meeting, uh, much like uh your uh uh president of something or you're uh chairman of something, it's Mr.

5:10:03

Chair, Madam Chair, it's a formality, and I've served in different capacities in in different boards and commissions and and had those rules, and it's just a formality for whoever is speaking to recognize that speaker or the speaker to recognize who's running or chairing that meeting.

5:10:21

So I like it because it keeps decorum and meeting me meeting decorum is important, I feel like sometimes we get off in the weeds, and if the public's sitting here and they don't see decorum from the council, they act that way as well.

5:10:40

And sometimes you think we're having uh a meeting with a bunch of hillbillies.

5:10:47

So that's not could I follow up on that?

5:10:50

I agree with that.

5:10:52

The meeting decorum is very, very important.

5:10:55

So many times you hear, and we hear it as much from presenters that say mayor and councilman or councilwoman.

5:11:02

And so do you feel like just addressing as mayor is sufficient?

5:11:07

Because that's where to say madam mayor or mr.

5:11:10

Mayor, to me, mayor would be sufficient.

5:11:12

But would would you concede to that?

5:11:14

Or would you I feel that's sufficient?

5:11:17

Um, and then if you choose to go above and beyond, then so be it.

5:11:20

But if it's um it would be appropriate to address in in any, if you ever go to a hearing at the state house, you know, you're gonna address the chair and then whatever member you're speaking to as well.

5:11:35

Same thing here, you're gonna address the mayor and then whatever council member, and uh um I think that it's interesting with what we do having um both uh male and female members of our council listening to some people struggle with councilman jangula council, you know, and some people catch themselves, some people don't.

5:11:59

But if they say council member, it's it's appropriate.

5:12:03

But those kind of decorum things are something that we should be pushing from the dais as the electeds, I feel like, so that it helps the public understand that we have decorum, and it just makes a more professionally ran meeting.

5:12:19

So I agree.

5:12:20

I would be I would be fine with just the mayor.

5:12:23

Okay.

5:12:24

Well, that's why I'm raising it.

5:12:26

I kept going over the last two days, and then what happens when you miss it?

5:12:33

Yeah, well, maybe go to jail.

5:12:38

Yeah.

5:12:40

Straight to Jesus.

5:12:41

Yeah.

5:12:43

I know.

5:12:44

I agree with the decorum.

5:12:46

Yeah, I think it's important, but I'm just trying not to get down to where the word shall, I mean, council members and ten to shall address that that's very direct, and then oh, you didn't do that this time.

5:13:01

You know, I think I'd just like to keep it maybe two opposition.

5:13:04

I'd like to keep it respectful, but not get ourselves to where we're so tight that you know errors.

5:13:13

You probably heard the saying good fences make good neighbors.

5:13:16

It's the same thing here.

5:13:18

You know, it's just have a good guideline, thanks for good decorum.

5:13:21

So yeah.

5:13:25

Uh two observations.

5:13:26

We are talking about decorum while wearing these sweaters.

5:13:29

I just want that to be reflected on the record.

5:13:31

Yeah.

5:13:32

I'm not.

5:13:34

Mine's a suit.

5:13:35

Yeah, you are.

5:13:35

I'm clearly participating in those.

5:13:40

Um second would be do you want to have just a little flexibility on that?

5:13:44

You may say we'll address as mayor or madam mayor, and that you know, as preferred or indicated by the presiding officer.

5:13:51

Perfect.

5:13:52

Now that way it's like if they prefer to be a little more quick, great.

5:13:57

If they want to be very formal, let them have that uh flexibility.

5:14:00

We could put language like that in.

5:14:01

I I think if you write revise B to reflect what you've just communicated, yeah.

5:14:08

That gives us the option and it keeps the tone that we want to be respectful.

5:14:13

I don't try and not be there.

5:14:15

Yeah, I just don't want to slip up and then exactly mayor, Madam Mayor.

5:14:23

I have three three one question, two uh for discussion.

5:14:30

I'm part of the new generation.

5:14:31

Why do we use shall instead of must?

5:14:35

Why more formal?

5:14:37

I think it's really based off tradition, practice.

5:14:41

Um is found in a lot of our older laws, you know.

5:14:46

Um a lot of case law, that's still good law today.

5:14:49

Use a shall um has it I know there's been are you going at permissive versus mandatory?

5:14:56

That's right.

5:15:00

So not to bore you, but this can sometimes comes up in law school school about well, it's a permissive shell versus mandatory shall.

5:15:06

And so there's been some arguments that way, but probably more just out of tradition and practice.

5:15:11

So are these all considered mandatory as a a must would always be mandatory?

5:15:16

Are these all should they all be considered a mandatory shall I would say they are.

5:15:22

Um so if you want to make it a little more common language, you can make it must.

5:15:27

Um my interpretation and drafting it was it was required like a mandatory shell.

5:15:33

Yeah.

5:15:34

And then two uh section one oh five B regarding uh time limits.

5:15:44

I would urge that we do not put time limits on discussion for council members.

5:15:51

I understand having a public hearing time limit, but I think there's lots of even while I was gone discussing one item, it was three minutes per council member.

5:16:02

I know obviously this is a fence.

5:16:04

Sometimes your neighbor might be peeking over, jump over the fence, and then you decide if you want to take action against it.

5:16:11

Uh but if we're going to set a precedent, I think that we should allow for as much time as council members need to flesh out or discuss or ramble or whatever they need to do to be able to get to uh their final decision.

5:16:26

So that was one piece where it said that there should there can be or reserves the right to establish time limits.

5:16:33

I don't know that I necessarily would like to have the authority given over us to say that we can't speak on a specific item longer than 60 seconds or five minutes or 20 minutes or whatever could be established.

5:16:46

So that was one area that I caution to.

5:16:51

The other is 108 A, B, and C, remote participation.

5:16:57

I understand why that's in there.

5:16:59

I think it's good to give notice so staff can prepare so everybody else can prepare.

5:17:04

Uh the only exception that I wanted to strike was only with prior approval from the presiding officer.

5:17:12

I don't think that anybody has the authority to withhold somebody from attending a meeting.

5:17:18

We're all elected, we were all elected.

5:17:21

We all are on the same playing field in that regard.

5:17:23

If somebody needs to attend, and I'm speaking in from my own perspective, I've attended plenty of meetings remotely.

5:17:31

Uh I think that it should be a requirement to give notice.

5:17:36

I don't think it's something that should give notice to be able to then approve for a council member to be able to attend or not.

5:17:42

Or a mayor either or mayor?

5:17:50

Yes.

5:17:51

So uh Councilman Griffin, on your first comment of 105.

5:17:57

Let me go back there.

5:18:01

I would say C D in 105.

5:18:05

These rules promote a productive and respectful environment for city business.

5:18:09

That's the point of having bylaws.

5:18:12

Um time limits uh maybe set.

5:18:16

If that would be up to the presiding officer running the meeting, most likely the mayor.

5:18:23

Um you know, they could if they know that time is of the essence in a certain hearing, or they've heard the same thing over and over and over and over, they could say, hey, three minutes, much like uh mayor did a couple meetings ago.

5:18:39

But that doesn't mean it would necessarily always be there.

5:18:45

But it would just give them the option to have that if they as the person running the meeting.

5:18:51

So there's that, and then uh 109, I think you said it was 108.

5:18:57

108.

5:18:58

So the remote participation would be I think for a case in point, uh we had a um meeting, uh workshop recently with COMPASS director and um Madam Mayor is the uh chair of COMPASS uh at the current time, and she had invited that gentleman, the director to speak to us, and nobody showed up for that meeting.

5:19:29

It was embarrassing for her.

5:19:31

And um, so if she had known that more people weren't gonna be here, maybe she wouldn't have had him come, or um maybe she could have um prepared herself better for that, or you know, whoever the presiding person is for that.

5:19:50

And I I wouldn't highly doubt that there's gonna be a time when they say you can't be in that meeting remotely unless it's executive session, because that to me that's a hard no.

5:20:00

We don't know who's on the other side of that screen in the executive session.

5:20:04

Um but uh I think it it's there to um have some guardrails around those meetings and and then also just so people notify when they're when they're gonna be there when they're not to help the person that's scheduling the meeting.

5:20:23

And I would agree, and I think the guardrails should be there.

5:20:26

I think notices should be a requirement, and you should notice when you're not going to be there or if you're going to be there remotely.

5:20:32

I think just striking more so on line A, only with prior approval from the presiding officer, uh not to challenge the hand too much.

5:20:45

I think that noted once again prefacing.

5:20:47

I think notice should be given and should be requirement.

5:20:51

But whether we attend remotely or not, I don't think should come from approval from anybody.

5:20:57

I think it's a and I personally will say this.

5:21:00

I think it's a bad look to attend a meeting remotely, as the one who attends the most often remotely.

5:21:06

Uh I think it's a bad look, but that's a look for our per our constituents to decide they want to continue having or not having.

5:21:13

So I think it should be must give notice 48 hours prior to a meeting that they're going to attend remotely.

5:21:22

It helps staff, helps everybody prepare.

5:21:25

But I don't think there should be any language in regard to remote participation saying that it needs prior approval from a presiding officer.

5:21:32

I know the intent is not to have it set out that there needs to be approval given.

5:21:37

I know that's not the intent, but that's how the language currently states.

5:21:40

So I would recommend that be struck.

5:21:43

Mayor, I'm actually okay with it in there, but my question to Preston is what is our what is the authority to actually follow through?

5:21:50

What happens if they don't get authority or they don't get permission and then they don't show up?

5:21:55

Yeah.

5:21:55

How do we execute it?

5:21:57

Good question, uh Mayor, Councilwoman Bingela.

5:22:00

Um, I look I'd look to 108 E.

5:22:02

There it says failure to adhere to remote participation requirements may result in the council member or mayor being marked as absent for the meeting.

5:22:10

And so um really the the principal or tenant here in case laws that uh the presiding officer does have that authority to control the mode and the manner of the meetings as the executive presiding officer of this meeting, and so in that discretion, that could that could be exercised.

5:22:31

It's a discretionary call.

5:22:33

If um somebody were not to meet those requirements, they could just they could evaluate it.

5:22:38

Um maybe this is a poor analogy, but it's kind of like a time off request, you know.

5:22:43

There's expectations, and some are in good faith, some come at a time that is not ideal and puts people in the bind, and that that discretion is still vested in the presiding figure.

5:22:55

So I think the only challenge that I would possibly throw to that is the time off request shouldn't go to our mayor or to the presiding officer because they're not the ones who put us in this seat.

5:23:09

It would be our constituents.

5:23:10

So if we're gonna be submitting a time off request analogy, I know I know that was off the cuff, so I'm not holding you to it too hard.

5:23:16

I don't think they're like our our constituents at the ballot box elected us, whether we show up or not, it's going to show up at the ballot box once again.

5:23:26

Do I think notice should be given?

5:23:28

Yes.

5:23:29

48 hours before, because staff needs to prepare.

5:23:48

Yeah, and keep in mind uh this is a body making a decision, and you're each individual in your own roles, but this is a body function, a group function.

5:23:59

And so what you come up with is that's why we're having the conversation with uh with the council members and mayor.

5:24:07

I like it in there because I don't really see a time in the foreseeable future of anyone's actions that a mayor would say you can't, and I like having it in there stronger language, and yes, I mean sure, but a business owner would be conducting business where a mayor is also conducting business, so they kind of go hand in hand.

5:24:26

But I already submitted mine, and Preston has them, so I won't waste time.

5:24:32

So I guess um what might be good is if Natalie, if you submit submitted your suggestions to Preston, but the whole group hasn't seen them.

5:24:45

Has are they incorporated into this?

5:24:48

Right now, um Councilwoman Jangula's comments are not.

5:24:53

I have reviewed them.

5:24:55

Um what are they?

5:25:00

I guess we need to know what they are because if this goes back to council on Thursday morning to be adopted.

5:25:04

Yeah, I have it.

5:25:05

Um everybody's gonna need to see what everybody's suggestions are to discuss them.

5:25:10

Unless the other thing you can do is not adopt them, but then you they it goes to January 5th.

5:25:17

On January 5th, you will be voting on the code of conduct together, but these bylaws and they don't have to wait, it'd be nice to get them in place.

5:25:26

Um and again, these are for you, they're not for me.

5:25:30

It's for you guys as council members to determine how you feel like you should be operating with each other and the standards that you set forth for yourselves.

5:25:40

I think uh part of the issue is the workshops.

5:25:46

I think uh sometimes we don't fully grasp what's gonna be on the agenda or the discussion or when there's three or four items.

5:25:56

Um so you hear that you're we're gonna get a uh compass report, but you don't realize well it's actually the director, and he would you know the full magnitude of that.

5:26:11

I'd already scheduled to be up north, so I said, Well, I'll just join by teams.

5:26:15

That doesn't seem to be a problem.

5:26:17

So if we formalize a little more, that's that's fine.

5:26:20

That gives, you know.

5:26:22

But the default for me is if I haven't gotten the approval or whatever, then I'm I'm absent if I've got to be away.

5:26:32

Uh or there's been a couple times when I chimed in by team because I didn't want to bring the cold into the room, and I could listen and so forth, but those pop up sometimes under 48 hours, and you don't have approval beyond.

5:26:48

So there's gotta be kind of a working uh method with it all as far as the you know, you you must have prior 48 hours.

5:26:59

I think it's uh should give, and then it's on the onus of of the parties to operate in good fashion and respect rather than shall on this particular item.

5:27:12

And so and then the if there's gonna be a guideline, it's kind of I mean, I looked at remote for myself personally because I'm been having to learn the electronic side and air at different times.

5:27:29

So um if we're on vacation and it works to tune in and be a part of a meeting and and schedule, I've worked that in.

5:27:38

There's a couple times when it wasn't gonna be workable to do that, and so I'm just absent.

5:27:44

Um I thought that was a reasonable approach, and then again mentioned the workshop deal.

5:27:50

Um so part of it is is to know the workshops my mind as scheduling goes and Dale and Mayor, as you guys talk with the mayor elect, um is how sometimes we don't get noticed on what's gonna be on the uh Thursday agenda until a day prior.

5:28:18

Most of the time, have we have we sent out Mondays or Thursdays agenda yet?

5:28:24

We haven't.

5:28:25

Are we waiting on something?

5:28:26

We were waiting for this discussion.

5:28:28

This meeting.

5:28:30

I will say though, this Thursday we have a full agenda, and it's a very very important meeting.

5:28:36

We've got a lot on the agenda.

5:28:37

I hope everybody can stay until nine.

5:28:39

It'll be very difficult to get done by nine, and it's very full.

5:28:43

But like excuse me, Thursday we are holding for this.

5:28:48

We haven't sent it out yet for this.

5:28:50

We maybe should have sent it out holding this, that's the other option.

5:28:53

But Madam Mayor, normally we um send out the workshop agenda Monday.

5:29:00

For the Thursday meeting.

5:29:01

Okay, yeah.

5:29:03

Most of the time a Thursday workshop though, is it doesn't have action items, it's mostly discussion of presentations.

5:29:11

This particular one is a joint meeting of planning and zoning, and then we do have some action items on it.

5:29:16

But keep going, I've interrupted you.

5:29:19

No, I'm just it's a good point.

5:29:21

I mean, candidly, there's if you don't know, or it doesn't seem like you know what's happening on that Thursday, then it's like, well, it sounds like we're just gonna listen and learn, so I can do that someplace else.

5:29:36

Some place else and do, and then but it can also communicate that you're not feeling like it's priority, it is priority, it's just you know all good points.

5:29:49

Okay, where do we want to go from here?

5:29:51

Um Madam Mayor, you do you were you're gonna read uh councilwoman Jengya's comments?

5:29:57

I do have them pulled up here.

5:30:00

Don't read the one where I said we need to get um Dale out of office.

5:30:03

I don't think I didn't get that.

5:30:05

I'll just tell in direct.

5:30:09

I do have them pulled up here unless you want to go through mine didn't send through, so I was trying to send it.

5:30:14

Go for it.

5:30:15

Okay, I'll I'll kind of buzz through these real fast.

5:30:17

Um if you go to 103 subsection D.

5:30:23

I think it was more of a clarification.

5:30:25

There's a there's a parenthetical it says, for example, gestures or notes, and uh councilwoman Jengal has suggested or phone communications, putting that in there explicitly any discussion on that.

5:30:44

What what was the last item?

5:30:47

Um it's uh putting just gestures or notes or phone communications.

5:30:55

How do we put it be better to say electronic communication?

5:30:59

Yeah, that'll work rather than that it's phone.

5:31:03

But if we have people in the audience who are texting us or sending us an email, somebody who's watching online sends you an email and says, hey, what about this issue?

5:31:13

If we're gonna respond or use that information, then we need to declare that somebody has it has uh where that information's come from or who so that it's properly in the public record.

5:31:27

So and as I'm drafting this, uh tell tell me your thoughts on it too.

5:31:32

I'd really be curious.

5:31:33

Um my mindset is that this is to be a preventative tool, not a weaponization tool.

5:31:42

Anything to be weaponized, right?

5:31:44

Why do you but the spirit of it is as I'm drafting it at least?

5:31:48

Um not a gotcha moment, but more of a ensuring things are moving forward in an orderly manner.

5:31:53

Yeah, well, I was communicating how we're supposed to conduct and how we're supposed to stay.

5:31:58

I think generally 80% of the time we've been able to be cordial.

5:32:02

Uh unfortunately, a couple times things gotten a little snippy on everybody's part, and uh and then the part that really took me by surprise candidly was the meeting where uh people in the audience were texting members of council and guiding discussions and or comments, and uh that just didn't seem appropriate, or it should at least be disclosed.

5:32:35

So yeah, and as drafted here, this would prove I provide a obligation to um on your honor, right, to follow through on this, just like any code of ethics or bylaws, right?

5:32:48

So to some degree there's a self-reporting element as well, and so that's implied throughout this whole thing.

5:32:53

Yeah, yes, so just three things.

5:32:59

I think the first off just sorry.

5:33:01

I think the first off, I would agree it shouldn't be happening, but I don't know that there's any preventative means to do it.

5:33:07

It's it's simply are you ethically obligated not to do something like that?

5:33:15

Because somebody could FOIA those things and then we could know, and then it's a whole process, and then that takes me to the number two.

5:33:23

What is the punishment?

5:33:24

What's the most extreme punishment we could administer to another council member because we can't keep them out of a meeting other than executive session potentially because they're still elected to be here, is the most I frankly would like to see uh fines and penalties, but I don't know that we can even administer those.

5:33:45

Uh but can you just explain what the punishments look like?

5:33:51

Because I think a lot of this it guides this is how we should behave as council members, and I think that's good and important.

5:33:59

But I would also like to know the teeth because then we might just be right back in the same position where we were of well we can't really do anything other than we have this censure option, and maybe that's effective because I saw Mountain Holmes censured one of their people, it's in the news, it makes some noise, but by way of actually discrediting a meeting, what can we do about that?

5:34:25

Mayor, do you want me to answer that?

5:34:27

I do.

5:34:27

I will say it's getting late, and what occurred to me was that we have some ordinances, and we've got uh two officers sitting here waiting for these ordinances to be read, and our discussions actually longer than I anticipated.

5:34:41

It would be nice to let them go home and then maybe come back to this discussion.

5:34:48

It's just a thought zoning as well with the uh reconsideration item.

5:35:00

So yes, so um this discussion is really good, but it is longer, so maybe we continue the discussion if we have a few minutes on Thursday morning, if and then maybe uh I would advise they get in touch with me between now and Thursday, that as much as you can.

5:35:12

Um please do a track your document with the suggested suggestions in there with the initials knowing who said suggested it, get that out to everyone for review, then we can make a decision.

5:35:23

But go ahead and put everybody's comments in so that we can all see it.

5:35:27

Could I recommend that we actually postpone this the January?

5:35:30

I think we have two council members that won't be here.

5:35:32

That should be part of the discussion, and a new mayor, not trying to discredit you, but a new mayor that might also want more or less within this document.

5:35:42

Yeah, and I will just say it this isn't my document, it really isn't a mayor's document.

5:35:46

This is a city council document that you guys are governing governing yourselves.

5:35:51

This isn't the mayor guiding you, it's a city that's why I haven't even been involved in it.

5:35:56

Sure.

5:35:56

Um I just think we're lacking two members that'll be here in less than a month that might want to have say in this.

5:36:02

So Madam Mayor, I've had uh discussions with uh the incoming mayor about this, and he's very much on board with us having bylaws for the council.

5:36:11

We've that don't he doesn't have any way in on that, it's a council problem.

5:36:17

Um so it would be nice to have them in place before the new council gets seated.

5:36:23

Um it also could be discussed on the fifth probably, but uh I think that uh the best course of action is President send those out.

5:36:33

Council members take time to send them your comments, and um we'll uh talk about it Thursday.

5:36:41

Okay, okay.

5:36:43

Since it's a discussion item, we don't need to take action, so please uh send your information over.

5:36:48

Okay, we're gonna go to 5-7 real quickly.

5:36:51

This is an action item, and it is to authorize planning and zoning to pursue any remedies authorized under Idaho Code, Section 676526, including but not limited to filing for reconsideration of Candy County's written findings of fact, establishing the city's new area of impact boundaries, provided the findings substantially aligned with the county's prior oral decision.

5:37:18

So if you I will say that it's our understanding that we will be getting a response to the findings around December 30th.

5:37:34

There is a 14-day that we need, 14 days that we need to turn around and authorize a reconsideration being sent by council, and so that doesn't really give us time to get it done if we're not going to take action.

5:37:49

We are gonna have to take some action items, you guys will on the 5th, but um I it's my recommendation that we go ahead and authorize planning and zoning to file for that reconsideration based on the findings that have been verbally communicated to us thus far.

5:38:06

So um mayor yes.

5:38:09

I want to make a motion to uh authorize planning and zoning to file a reconsideration.

5:38:15

Second, it's been moved and seconded, and uh to pursue the any remedies authorized as this is stated on here.

5:38:21

Mayor okay, that's your motion.

5:38:23

Is that correct, Dale?

5:38:24

That's correct as it's stated in second.

5:38:26

Thank you.

5:38:26

Was there something that I was missing in the packet?

5:38:29

There was no other documentation supporting this of there isn't because we don't have anything.

5:38:34

Okay.

5:38:35

I I think it's just difficult.

5:38:37

What did they do that was egregious for those of us that weren't in attendance of the second one that we would want to have remedy?

5:38:44

I'd be happy to speak to that, and I'll let Rodney speak to it.

5:38:47

But uh basically they removed our um eastern boundary area of impact.

5:38:55

They uh and that area actually we provide services into that area.

5:39:02

Rodney, thank you.

5:39:03

I'll let you show the map, which is totally amazing, and then also that North Star area.

5:39:10

Um by keeping that on no man's land, you can't function as a city with that.

5:39:17

So there's going to be considerable impact.

5:39:20

And I'd be happy to speak to it or not.

5:39:22

But Rodney, go ahead.

5:39:24

Madam Mayor.

5:39:25

Yes.

5:39:25

Did you also want to talk about the uh the uh grant as part of this?

5:39:32

I haven't visited with Mayor Chadwick, but it'll be public at this moment.

5:39:36

That when the city of Star, well, first of all, STAR contested our North Nampa area of impact, 2026 and north to the river.

5:39:49

The area they didn't contest, there's a little line on that map.

5:39:53

If you can see a mile area that they kept in place that they didn't contest that.

5:40:00

We have been working, the city of Nampa, Crystal specifically, on a federal grant for the bridge over the Boise River.

5:40:05

I believe they gave that to us as a token because they want the city of Napa to help fund that, and we've done all the work.

5:40:13

And my communication is no, we will not.

5:40:18

In fact, if we were to have received the grant, my recommendation is we pull it.

5:40:23

We don't receive the grant, and we do not fund that area.

5:40:26

That was given to us as a token.

5:40:29

Extreme, I'm gonna be very, very blunt, extremely inappropriate.

5:40:34

There's no reason for us if we don't have that entire area of impact north of 2026.

5:40:39

Why would we do anything?

5:40:41

We shouldn't be funding anything north.

5:40:44

So that bridge is done.

5:40:45

Um we won't partner.

5:40:47

The other thing that the county commissioners did not take into consideration is that we currently partner with Highway District One and Highway District Four in the area of impact on roads.

5:41:01

That will cease in those areas, which there's going to be a significant impact.

5:41:06

Unfortunately, to Highway One, is this a correct statement?

5:41:09

And to Highway 4, because the city of Napa will no longer partner on those roads.

5:41:14

Um we're not as worried about the Southwest area plan.

5:41:18

Um that area, that's not a big deal.

5:41:21

It's the eastern area and the star area that is very concerning.

5:41:26

Rodney, I've said a lot.

5:41:28

Would you like to add to what I've said?

5:41:32

I don't want to.

5:41:33

I think a motion was made, right?

5:41:36

We do have a motion and a second.

5:41:38

Okay, so I don't want to spend too much time here.

5:41:41

Okay.

5:41:42

Okay.

5:41:42

But the quite it's an answer to the question as to why we would want to file for reconsideration.

5:41:49

Okay.

5:41:49

And I okay, it's okay.

5:41:51

All right.

5:41:52

Um I'll just quickly scan through this just for those who weren't there.

5:41:56

Um, these are the boundaries that the county approved.

5:42:01

Um you can see that it's kind of the same idea to the north they did to the south.

5:42:07

So there's this little section of highway 45 that uh that they went to the south as well.

5:42:15

But other than that, they they've essentially said Lewis Lane is the new new boundary.

5:42:21

So with that, we would not be funding a traffic signal and managing that signal, is that correct?

5:42:27

And I've got I've actually got some slides that show that.

5:42:30

Um here's the the southwest area.

5:42:35

Um here's that area in purple is the area that star was proposing to take over and essentially what the county said, okay, we're not gonna let anybody have this area highlighted in purple there.

5:42:52

A race, a race to an area who gets there first is extremely poor planning.

5:42:59

I will say it is ludicrous.

5:43:02

I oppose the legislation at the time.

5:43:04

I visited with Senator Lakey, they went ahead and moved it through, knowing it was bad legislation, and I'm not gonna make any friends over this, but I'm gonna shoot how I feel on it.

5:43:16

Um you cannot what for example, Highway 21 took Highway 16, took 21 years from the time that was conceived, the thought till it's getting done.

5:43:27

Our wastewater treatment plan was 10 years.

5:43:31

You can't get anything done in an infrastructure, major infrastructure in five years.

5:43:37

So planning to go and build infrastructure to service an area, it is a waste of money to be going to an area and then have oops, whoever got there first gets it.

5:43:47

You don't cities don't plan that way.

5:44:03

Um so here's the here's where I just start kind of outlining what and I think I represent multiple people here who were at that and and put the material together.

5:44:15

So I think we're all uh aware of who was involved there.

5:44:20

But here are the concerns at number two, especially uh number one was just process.

5:44:27

We felt like there was some serious problems with their process that they went through and and asked of us.

5:44:34

Um but number two is failure to consider consequences to transportation grant funding and coordination, so you can see all those different uh projects that were concerned and the the costs associated with those that essentially we're gonna have to turn back to or reduce our portion of funding that we would go towards these different projects.

5:45:00

There's the north side, there's Ew stick, uh Canada Road and Eustack Road intersection.

5:45:05

Um in that situation, it's it's actually the border hasn't changed on that one.

5:45:13

That's correct.

5:45:14

Yeah, it hasn't still that's still in play.

5:45:17

Yeah, um this one is McDermott and Franklin interchange or intersection, that's still valid.

5:45:25

Um but everything to the south would be state highway 16 going to the south and the studies being done, the the granting the grants associated with that would have to be turned back or reduced significantly.

5:45:41

You're saying no say that again, please.

5:45:43

Can you go back one slide?

5:45:44

Yeah, so what area are you?

5:45:48

So go ahead, Mayor Councilman Bell's uh Crystal Craig Director of Transportation.

5:45:55

Um so what we're referencing right here, we did receive a compass through or a grant through compass to do a corridor study on McDermott to look at his look at it for a potential alignment for a state highway 16 south that will be outside of our approved area of impact, so we wouldn't be accepting that that first mile um that would be within our existing area of impact so we could continue exploring.

5:46:18

Um, but we would have to look at the council's appetite for um putting money into a state highway 16 south uh I'm gonna call it an interstate or expressway of some sort, like a further north-south connection of what that looks like.

5:46:35

Only half of that entire area would half of one road would be on our in our area of impact, and that would be Robinson.

5:46:43

So the west side of Robinson would be in our area of impact, um, which means highway district one would have to or could potentially need to carry some of the burden for a southerly connection further south which carries on down to we could go down to Robinson Boulevard and Greenhurst, that railroad.

5:47:03

Um yeah, there that would be the next one, the crossing of Robinson.

5:47:08

Cut back the southeast border as well as around the other part.

5:47:16

Correct.

5:47:17

And we provide water.

5:47:20

Can you tell me where we provide?

5:47:21

We'll get to that.

5:47:22

Okay, we're not there yet.

5:47:23

Okay, this is just transportation.

5:47:25

Here's the other one.

5:47:26

Uh Lake Shore and State Highway 45 intersection.

5:47:30

We uh they basically cut that little portion out for us to include in our impact area, but um you know that's kind of questionable there whether we should be a part of that, and then Carter middle uh and midway.

5:47:49

Um, I think that one would still remain in our impact area.

5:47:53

These are the um this is the next one.

5:47:56

Number three is just failure to acknowledge investment to plan for utilities, and then construction of utilities already provided outside of the new impact area boundary.

5:48:06

So these are the areas that were already providing water uh that would be outside of our out of the uh impact area that they approved.

5:48:17

We're already providing that.

5:48:19

So a bit a key component of the impact area was whether a city could service those areas.

5:48:29

We're already servicing those areas to some extent.

5:48:32

So just what was in their definition from day one on their hearing was whether you can service an area within five years, and we're already got lines in there.

5:48:44

Why would that get pulled back?

5:48:46

That doesn't make sense.

5:48:48

Good question.

5:48:49

Rodney, so just for clarification the dashed lines are the areas that they're taking back.

5:48:56

That's correct.

5:48:57

That's the newly proposed uh boundary line.

5:49:00

Okay for newly adopted boundary one.

5:49:09

This I'll be quiet.

5:49:12

Are we able mayor one question as we're moving forward?

5:49:16

Because there's areas that I would agree to want to have remedied and areas that I would not.

5:49:24

Can we parse this in the specific?

5:49:26

I apologize.

5:49:27

Specific sections, the eastern, the northern, and the western portion on what we want to pursue remedies as for filing for a reconsideration, or do you want to do this all at once?

5:49:40

Because I think there's a likelihood that if some of these are included, I'll be voting no.

5:49:45

But if we can parse them up, it gives you direction of council unanimously supports that the northern portion stay in the NAPA area impact.

5:49:53

Yeah.

5:49:54

Rodney has a map and so of a suggested map, and he offered to share his suggested map at the hearing, and they wouldn't let him.

5:50:03

I'm speaking for the motion that we're about to make five seven.

5:50:07

He has a map.

5:50:08

I'll show you.

5:50:09

And maybe parsing it out specific motion.

5:50:12

What do we want council?

5:50:13

Okay.

5:50:13

It's already done.

5:50:14

Why don't you show him real quick?

5:50:15

I don't have a motion, but I think you could easily address that in your if in your motion.

5:50:21

This is just the planning that has already been done for utilities.

5:50:25

Just wanted to show you that.

5:50:26

That's that was something else we provided.

5:50:30

That's true.

5:50:31

Sorry.

5:50:32

Um failure to acknowledge developments already approved or being considered in the area removed.

5:50:38

As you can see, the Lakeview subdivision was approved by you after we presented to the commission the first time.

5:50:46

And uh that one was uh annexed into the city.

5:50:49

So these others are either applications for pre-annexation, for pre-applications or for annexation, and are gonna go through that process.

5:51:02

So there was a lot of subdivisions out there that were a little concerning.

5:51:08

So this is the uh the last point is significant deficiencies in BOCC decision because there was a failure to consider a revised concept as they did for other cities.

5:51:21

Um they didn't let us present this at the hearing, um, but this is uh this is the concept in black was the concept that we were prepared to uh suggest.

5:51:34

Hey, we we think that these areas are areas that are unlikely to develop very soon, and so we we're going to suggest those.

5:51:43

I've also highlighted in kind of the pink red area on that southwest area that that area could also it it's up to city council, but that's an area that could be looked at.

5:51:56

Just a little closer view of the one to the southeast and a closer view of the one to the southwest.

5:52:05

Could you share the road one right there?

5:52:07

Yep.

5:52:08

So um which road are you talking about?

5:52:11

So the let's do Midway is kind of on the eastern the right side.

5:52:17

Um lake is the one where we would border um on this slide showing where we would suggest removing from the impact area.

5:52:27

The pink area.

5:52:30

What was the pink area?

5:52:32

And the pink area is right in the middle.

5:52:35

That's the border that I I'm saying.

5:52:38

Hey, we we want to we don't want to cut off right at a roadway because there's so much that goes, and and I think councilman Bills has indicated this in the past as well.

5:52:49

And and I I agree that it's hard to cut at a at a roadway when we have responsibility for that roadway and infrastructure like sewer and water that we put in that roadway, and then we're expecting only half of the one side of that roadway to provide a revenue source for the city to cover the cost of that infrastructure.

5:53:15

So what I'm suggesting here is just going a half mile to the west of Midway instead of the boundary that they recommended, and which was midway.

5:53:26

They actually excluded our um our park in the impact area as well.

5:53:33

And did you say currently do we have some properties that we have a path to annexation that is right now coming to mid to get midway in?

5:53:46

Um we we have several projects that are right up against midway right now, or in the southern side, Lakeview subdivision is one that has already crossed midway.

5:54:00

So they did include that though.

5:54:04

Um I noticed that uh in their proposal, they did do a little cutout uh for midway subdivision.

5:54:13

Oh, I think I went too far.

5:54:17

Or yeah, excuse me, Lake View subdivision.

5:54:21

So you can see that um uh no, that's not it.

5:54:25

Sorry.

5:54:26

Uh you can see that here in the where Lakeview is, south of the the farthest left property that I've circled with the the water.

5:54:39

If you go directly south, that is midway, that boundary that they've created is midway.

5:54:45

And then they do a little cutout for the lakevie subdivision.

5:54:49

Well, that also gives opportunity for an a path of annexation for any everything to the north.

5:55:00

So it's it's a little strange that we already are past that boundary, and that's our area of where we anticipate to grow in the next five years or more.

5:55:10

Um five years is what they they base it on, and we could have a development occur directly to the north of Lakeview subdivision right now, and they would be eligible for annexation.

5:55:25

So it's a little strange that some of those properties are just excluded completely, even though they have a path of annexation.

5:55:32

But even with the map currently as it's stated, somebody can apply to annex into the city even if they're outside of our area of impact.

5:55:39

So it's not withholding them from being able to develop, it's just that's correct.

5:55:43

Not giving directions to developers to know the path in which is within our area of impact.

5:55:48

Yeah, I I mean mayor and and council.

5:55:51

I I mean I I've heard that argument and I understand it.

5:55:56

Um but I I've never talked to a um developer who doesn't look at just land use rather than this boundary that the counts county has established.

5:56:10

Um and so even now with the with the the impact area taking less of a role of planning than it ever has before because it's now reduced in size.

5:56:22

I just don't anticipate our our developers looking at the impact area as where development should go, right?

5:56:30

It they're gonna look at our comprehensive plan and say, okay, where's the city looking?

5:56:35

What do they have the capacity to serve?

5:56:38

And so it's we're in a weird transition right now with state code um reducing the impact areas and what developers are gonna do.

5:56:51

I I just don't anticipate they'll use this boundary as much as they have in the past.

5:56:55

Does it not create confusion though?

5:56:57

So for example, we're in the process of looking at our 2050 comp plan, and to me it would be very confusing for a developer coming in, and what do you do with a comp plan?

5:57:10

Because you're trying to create this comp plan, but it's outside of an area of impact, and so are they committed, are they not committed?

5:57:17

I would I feel like it leaves it leaves developers in a state of confusion as to however they may not care who gets it, as from a municipality standpoint.

5:57:29

How do you plan your infrastructure and your funding?

5:57:32

Because these grants are a long ways out.

5:57:34

For the city of Napa to be going after grants for roadways, in fact, for that Southwest Area Plan, everybody that's opposed to it, guess what?

5:57:43

Our funding's gonna not be there for those roads.

5:57:46

I don't think they've thought about that, because why on earth are we going to be funding?

5:57:50

Am I wrong on this?

5:57:52

So highway four, even why would we be funding those roads if it's not in our area?

5:57:57

And guess who's who's funding the roads?

5:57:59

It'll be totally highway four because the city of Napa will not be partnering.

5:58:04

So yes, we can it's okay to drop it all off.

5:58:08

I don't think anyone considered the consequences of this.

5:58:13

Um because we're not gonna fund.

5:58:15

And at least if I were council and mayor, I absolutely would not be funding outside of our area.

5:58:22

Mayor, yeah.

5:58:23

May I make a comment?

5:58:24

Uh yes, you may one of the other things that this does is that uh the joint powers agreement that we have with Canyon County allows us to provide feedback on developments that come into the impact area that are not in city limits.

5:58:38

And uh they're supposed to give that great weight as part of that uh joint powers agreement.

5:58:42

What they've said in the uh hearing, although I didn't hear that in the their final decision, was that that JPA was null and void.

5:58:50

So what that does is that it it removes our ability to communicate with the county about our concerns about county developments that are happening, particularly outside of the uh area of impact.

5:59:02

We have absolutely no say now as to what happens, which is actually building to some certain standards.

5:59:09

So sometimes it's like knowing down the road they have to put in a sidewalk.

5:59:15

There's a there's a that impact alone is substantial, right?

5:59:19

Not adhering at all to the city.

5:59:21

It's gonna make growth be really weird, and it is not in our best interest.

5:59:26

It also allows the county to be this is not about agland preservation, it allows them to be increasing their revenue by div by doing more subdivisions in the county, but it means more wells and septics, which is not good.

5:59:42

It doesn't protect AG, it doesn't protect our environment Rodney for clarification or mayor.

5:59:51

So if we do authorize the remedy, who does this go before?

5:59:55

Is it similar to the city of Napa where it goes back before Florida County Commissioners?

6:00:00

So mayor and councilman Griffin, excuse me.

6:00:06

Um the the process that we go through is that the council decides whether to reconsider.

6:00:14

We believe that's the same thing for the county.

6:00:17

And then if they reconsider, we go through another public hearing with them.

6:00:23

So that that's likely the process.

6:00:26

So it's not clear.

6:00:28

That's yeah.

6:00:29

The the statute is specific in some instances about what can and can't happen procedurally, but leave some open-endedness.

6:00:37

One of which is what would happen on a reconsideration.

6:00:41

Um we are following though that uh procedure, and like was said, December 30th is an anticipated date.

6:00:48

Um an approval here allows staff to be ready to file something rather than waiting to January 5th, and you're eating into your 14-day period, and it's just not a spot you want to be in.

6:00:59

You need to have that clear path forward uh for PNZ and uh and legal to help um with that.

6:01:06

And the state deadline, the state established December 31st is a deadline.

6:01:12

The concern for me is a loophole that we don't have our request back to them by December 31st.

6:01:18

They've waited six weeks from the time they gave us a verbal until we're all getting written findings, which is a very long time.

6:01:30

So looking at this all the way to the finish line, if it goes before the Board of County Commissioners again, and they likely deny us because they're the ones that set out this plan, is the intent of the city to go through judicial review because that's part of where I would like to know what the full direction is before I vote on anything.

6:01:56

Because if our intent, I just know if I was an applicant trying to contest a reconsideration, I'm getting ready for a judicial review.

6:02:06

Is that our intention here?

6:02:10

Well, from my perspective, for us to have provided services to projects and/or approved them, and then to have the county say, no, you can't annex that, or that can't be in your comp plan, as Rodney's shown us here on the screen, uh, really seems odd for us to have services physically in motion, plans physically in motion, um, and then be told uh based on the new code that you can't get there in five years.

6:02:44

Well, we're already there in parts of those areas, so you're cutting us off.

6:02:49

Something doesn't make sense here.

6:02:51

Uh I mean, just logical uh would be that well, they're already to hear, so we'll draw the line and include that little section.

6:03:00

Uh I mean, why would they cut off Medway Park?

6:03:04

Medway Park, we need to annex.

6:03:07

I mean, uh why why would we cut off you know projects that we know drawings are going through, and we're we're getting ready to approve a contractor to install services outside of now our comp plan area.

6:03:24

Um I don't know.

6:03:26

It it just seems it just seems odd, you know, that we're we're in this position, and it sure feels it doesn't feel like what the code intended, it feels like it's real politics for whatever reason, and and as far as the deal on star that that drawing there that you just showed us on on star, why we would have a quarter mile or whatever it is, sliver up to the river and and exclude everything else, that's ridiculous.

6:04:02

Um from the standpoint of you know, from the city and our investments and what we've already invested and done, we did so under a different set of rules.

6:04:12

We did it under a different set of understandings, and we did it in good faith.

6:04:17

We haven't done nefarious activity on this stuff.

6:04:20

We've been operating in good faith.

6:04:25

So I I only see that we need to you know communicate that uh we need to appeal this, we need to review these items, and you need to see what the city is already doing, and if the county commission says we don't want an appeal or we're not gonna change anything, then I think we gotta have a judicial review, and and so forth.

6:04:49

We've invested millions of dollars into different plans, infrastructure, transportation.

6:05:00

I mean, you just gotta look back on the budget the last two or three years, and what staff has been going after and what plans have been done and drawn and et cetera, to say this is this is what we've had in motion to have somebody then say, No, you guys aren't going there, and we don't see you reasonably getting there in five years.

6:05:20

It's not that we can't reasonably be in quite a few areas in five years, it's that we're we're being cut off on stuff that we already got in motion.

6:05:32

I mean, it's either either we keep moving and and protect the investment we've already made, or you clip everything and just say, Well, it's time to shut up and just stop.

6:05:44

There's our boundary.

6:05:46

Staff just clip it, put the plug in the sewer line.

6:05:50

No more.

6:05:51

We're done.

6:05:52

That's this is city, this is NAMPA, and then watch it just go to chaos through the county.

6:05:58

And I think that's a real stupid approach.

6:06:03

But from the standpoint of financial, if we're not gonna make the goal and we're not gonna be able to get certain things done and accomplished and finish up projects, then we we owe it to the taxpayer quit spending money.

6:06:18

And because we're investing in something that's for the benefit of the county or for who knows who I don't know, the whole thing is just odd to me.

6:06:29

Yeah, and it's just you know, so we've moved in to where it's not logical, and some of the decision making doesn't seem logical, and for whatever reason, we're not getting responses, and staff's wondering what to do.

6:06:44

This whole thing just seems really odd to me.

6:06:49

So Madam Mayor.

6:06:52

Yes.

6:06:52

So um I noticed that uh the lights on Clay's sweater died, so that means we need to move through this thing so we can go on and be done.

6:07:01

We did.

6:07:02

So uh we have a motion and a second.

6:07:04

I would also be in favor of judicial review.

6:07:07

I was there for the last part of this uh or this second hearing, and some of the comments made were not uh criteria to make a decision.

6:07:17

It was very interesting to me.

6:07:19

But uh anyway, with that being said, um, I would say call for the vote.

6:07:23

Thank you.

6:07:24

Mayor okay.

6:07:25

Could we, and I I in the in best interest of what we're doing right now, can we parse this out to separate sections?

6:07:35

Because I believe that I can agree on 90 percent of these items.

6:07:41

There's 10 percent that I do not, I don't want to have a full bore no be used against the city in a judicial review.

6:07:47

Can I ask you why the 10 percent?

6:07:50

I I will say the 10 per I personally you know where I'm going.

6:07:53

Sure.

6:07:54

I don't I think it's a hundred percent political, and what the people in Southwest Nampa don't understand is their roads are gonna slow down.

6:08:04

We don't have to take that in.

6:08:06

Actually, it's easy to leave it out.

6:08:08

In fact, maybe we should leave it out, and you can parse it out, and we can just say we're not gonna go there.

6:08:14

But there the that also means the partnership with highway four ends, and we're not funding the improvement on those roads.

6:08:22

So, with that, I think what I'm hearing you say is leave out Southwest area specific plan people, and for whatever reason, yes, we can do that.

6:08:31

There will be an impact.

6:08:32

Am I correct in saying that?

6:08:34

Okay, there will be an impact.

6:08:36

But I'll call for would you change your motion to leave that out?

6:08:39

And that way everybody there is really happy.

6:08:42

Southwest area specific plan.

6:08:44

I don't think we should leave it out because I feel like if if they have a uh they deny the motion to reconsider, then we go to judicial review, we'll go through the process and see what we get.

6:08:56

If we they do approve it and we need negotiating tools, we can use that for negotiating tool at the time.

6:09:01

But um, I said no, leave it like it is.

6:09:04

Okay, so your motion is unchanged, Mayor.

6:09:06

Okay.

6:09:07

I I would just like to add that upon judicial review.

6:09:11

A judge will look at everything that was discussed today, and he will weigh what no votes had said.

6:09:18

So the reason that I am recommending maybe keep Southwest area out, and you can correct me.

6:09:24

I'm not I'm not trying to hide the ball in any way.

6:09:27

I think the 90 percent, you would have five votes that say five votes, believe this, and a judge will consider that to take the whole map and then have potentially three votes to two votes.

6:09:42

A judge might weigh that a certain way.

6:09:44

So that's the reason I may bring it up.

6:09:47

Mayor, if I may appreciate councilman griffin's comments.

6:09:50

I do need to clarify though the the judge is not gonna look at these deliberations.

6:10:00

The mayor, the judge will look at the record, the four corners of those public hearings, and the materials that were provided, the testimony given, and the deliberation by the county commissioners.

6:10:07

And in my professional opinion, it was arbitrary, it was capricious, and it was an abuse of discretion.

6:10:12

And there needs to be a course correction here for the best interests of the community of NAMPA and good government of Idaho.

6:10:19

And so my recommendation to you as staff as a legal counsel is approve this motion and let us go forward and invite the good fight on this.

6:10:28

Let the chips fall where they may, but we're not going to be quiet during this.

6:10:32

Thank you.

6:10:32

Okay, with that, roll call.

6:10:33

Bills.

6:10:34

Yes.

6:10:35

Haverfield.

6:10:40

So to be clear.

6:10:41

I'm sorry.

6:10:41

So to be clear, the motion keeps in the southwest area area.

6:10:51

Well, it keeps in the issues that we need to get defined that they've even cut us back on.

6:10:58

Yeah.

6:10:58

It's like midway park.

6:10:59

Why would we get cut, you know?

6:11:01

Is that a part of that area that's defined?

6:11:05

Okay.

6:11:05

So I'll go ahead and vote yes.

6:11:07

Then Griffin.

6:11:08

No.

6:11:10

Reynolds.

6:11:11

Yes.

6:11:11

Four in favor, one opposed, motion carries.

6:11:15

I will say that in the course of deliberations with the county, we can we can negotiate those areas and have discussions around them as we have those discussions with them.

6:11:28

So perfect.

6:11:30

Okay, let's move on.

6:11:32

So that is 5.7.

6:11:34

We're going to move to just make sure I'm not missing something.

6:11:39

I believe we're ready for unfinished business.

6:11:42

I don't think I've missed anything.

6:11:44

Okay.

6:11:45

9-1 is an action item.

6:11:48

It's the first reading of ordinance for annexation of zoning to RS8.5 single family residential zoning district and a potential development agreement for a 0.38 acre parcel at 7736 Birch Lane for Joshua and Michelle Ruman.

6:12:01

And it's requested to pass under suspension of rules.

6:12:04

And ordinance of the City of Napa, Idaho, determined that certain lands commonly known as 7736 Birch Lane, parcel number R20960110, located in the northwest one-fourth of section eleven, Township 3, North, Range 2 West, Boise Meridian, totally 0.38 acres more or less, like contiguous to the limits of the city of Napa, Canning County, State of Idaho.

6:12:26

And that said land should be annexed into the City of Napa and be zoned, RS 8.5 single family residential on 0.38 acres more or less, declaring said lands by proper legal description as described below to be a part of the city of Napa.

6:12:40

Determine that said annexation and zoning has the consent of the landowners.

6:12:44

It is contiguous to the city limits and is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

6:12:48

Directing the city engineer and the planning and zoning director to add said properties to the official zoning maps of the city of Napa and to designate said properties as RS 8.5 single family residential as set forth herein on the official zoning map and other area maps of the city.

6:13:03

Providing for conditions of approval, providing for recordation, providing for serverability, providing effective date, repealing all ordinances, resolutions, orders or parts thereof in conflict here with, and directing the city clerk to file certified copy of the ordinance of the map of the area to be annexed at Canon County State of Idaho and Idaho State Tax Commission pursuant to Idaho Code Section 63-215.

6:13:25

Move to approve under suspension of rules.

6:13:27

Second.

6:13:32

Is there any discussion?

6:13:33

Roll call.

6:13:34

Jingula.

6:13:35

Yes.

6:13:36

Bills.

6:13:36

Yes.

6:13:37

Reynolds.

6:13:37

Yes.

6:13:38

Haverfield.

6:13:39

Yes.

6:13:39

Griffin.

6:13:40

Yes.

6:13:40

All in favor.

6:13:41

Motion carries.

6:13:42

9-2 is an action item.

6:13:44

It's the first reading of ordinance and approval of publication of ordinance summary to regulate disorderly conduct in public places to promote public health, safety and welfare, and to prevent and abate nuisance activity.

6:13:56

And it is requested to pass under suspension of rules.

6:13:59

In order to regulate disorderly conduct in public places to promote public health, safety, and welfare, and to prevent and abate nuisance activity, providing for definitions, operational standards, and requirements, enforcement and penalties, providing for several ability, providing for an effective date, and repealing all ordinances, resolutions, orders, and parts thereof in conflict herewith.

6:14:19

Move to approve under the suspension of rules.

6:14:22

It's been moved and seconded.

6:14:23

Is there any discussion?

6:14:25

Roll call.

6:14:26

Yes.

6:14:27

Bills.

6:14:27

Yes.

6:14:28

Haverfield.

6:14:29

Yes.

6:14:29

Reynolds.

6:14:30

Yes.

6:14:30

Griffin.

6:14:30

Yes.

6:14:31

All in favor, motion carries.

6:14:32

9-3 is an action item.

6:14:34

It's the first reading of ordinance and approval of publication of ordinance summary establishing regulations and penalties for reckless driving and participation in or facilitation of unlawful motor vehicle races and speed competitions in the city of Napa, and it is requested to pass under suspension of rules.

6:15:00

An ordinance establishing regulations, penalties for reckless driving, and participation in or facilitation of unlawful motor vehicle races and speed competitions in the city of Napa, providing for definitions, enforcement of penalties, providing for an effective date, providing for sevability, and repealing all ordinances, resolutions, orders, and parts thereof in conflict herewith.

6:15:14

Second.

6:15:14

It's been moved and seconded.

6:15:16

Is there any discussion?

6:15:17

Roll call.

6:15:18

Bills.

6:15:19

Yes.

6:15:19

Haverfield.

6:15:20

Yes.

6:15:21

Griffin.

6:15:21

Yes.

6:15:22

Jingula.

6:15:22

Yes.

6:15:23

Reynolds.

6:15:23

Yes.

6:15:24

All in favor, motion carries.

6:15:26

Nine four is an action item.

6:15:27

It's the first reading of ordinance and approval of publication of ordinance summary establishing regulations for motel and hotel licensing.

6:15:34

Inspection and operation in the city of Napa and it is requested to pass under suspension of rules.

6:15:38

And ordinance establishing regulations for motel and hotel licensing, inspection and operation in the city of Napa, providing for definitions, inspection, licensing requirements, operational standards, enforcement, fees, and penalties.

6:15:50

Providing for an effective date, providing for sevability, and repealing all ordinances, resolutions, or some parts thereof in conflict herewith.

6:15:58

Madam Mayor, I move this pass and suspension of rules.

6:16:00

Second.

6:16:02

It's been moved and seconded.

6:16:03

Is there any discussion?

6:16:05

Roll call.

6:16:06

Jingula.

6:16:06

Yes.

6:16:07

Haverfield.

6:16:08

Yes.

6:16:08

Griffin.

6:16:09

Yes.

6:16:09

Bills.

6:16:10

Yes.

6:16:10

Reynolds.

6:16:11

Yes.

6:16:11

All in favor, motion carries.

6:16:13

I would stand for a motion to adjourn.

6:16:15

So moved.

6:16:15

All in favor?

6:16:16

Aye.

6:16:17

Thank you.

6:16:17

Meeting adjourned.

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Summary of Proceedings

Nampa City Council Meeting – December 16, 2025

The Nampa City Council met on December 16, 2025, for a regular meeting that included holiday festivities (ugly sweater contest), recognitions of the Nampa Christian football team, staff presentations on parks, urban forestry, infrastructure, and animal services, a public forum on immigration enforcement, and several public hearings on comprehensive plan amendments and zoning. The council approved multiple action items, including a $3.8 million irrigation system for Centennial Golf Course, adopted a new downtown form-based code, and authorized reconsideration of Canyon County’s area of impact boundaries.

Consent Calendar

  • The consent agenda was adopted unanimously by voice vote. It included routine approvals and final plats from the Planning and Zoning Commission (three final plats, an annexation and zoning for Cherry Lane right-of-way, a conditional use permit for gun-related sales, and annexation/zoning for Orchard Acres – the latter recommended for denial and will return February 17).

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Kimra Luna (1207 Maple St.) expressed concern about ICE operations in Nampa, stating that four people from one family were detained near her son’s bus stop and that Nampa Police contacted ICE during a vehicle fire call. She urged the council to clarify boundaries between local law enforcement and federal immigration enforcement and to publicly affirm trust, dignity, and safety for all residents.
  • Crystal Flippants (1201 S. Vonneville Dr.) spoke on behalf of an indigenous Native American family whose patriarch was taken by ICE. She stated that ICE is traumatizing the community and that cooperation between police and ICE erodes trust. She asked for a public statement to address fears.
  • A third speaker (Dominique Howell) was not allowed to speak because he is not a Nampa resident; he submitted a written statement.
  • Captain Eric Scoglen responded that Nampa Police treat ICE like any federal partner, assisting when called but not actively seeking undocumented individuals. They enforce warrants only, and the mayor noted the city will not prevent ICE from doing federal work but expressed a need for immigration reform.
  • Council President Reynolds presented Mayor Kling with a leadership award from COMPASS at the VRT Compass Holiday Luncheon.

Discussion Items

  • Parks & Recreation Update (Bijan Johnson, Recreation Manager): Youth sports are growing year-round, requiring scheduling adjustments (e.g., basketball seasons merging). Emphasized volunteer coaches and building community through recreation.
  • Treasure Valley Canopy Network (Adam Mancini, City Forester; Emma Stammer, Program Director): Introduced a Community Tree Care Program providing funding for tree work on private property for income-qualified homeowners (60% of median income). Free tree planting also offered. Councilman Haverfield asked about cooperative arrangements with other cities for tree mitigation; staff noted no current cross-city program but will consider.
  • Parks Sign Project (Cody Swanner, Parks & Rec Director): A budgeted project for “Welcome to Nampa” signs at interstate exit ramps is moving forward; ITD restrictions on federal-aid roads require locating signs on city or private property. A committee will develop concepts.
  • Public Works: Elijah Drain Condition (Crystal, Public Works): Presented an assessment of 40 crossings on Elijah Drain. 10 structures are in poor or critical condition (including Pine & Lincoln and Holly & Colorado requiring emergency repairs, estimated $500–750k each). Annual culvert replacement budget is $400–500k; need to increase to ~$1 million for several years. Two emergency repairs will be brought for budget amendments. Council requested a prioritized report and long-term financial forecast.
  • Animal Shelter Contract (Clay Long, Chief of Staff): Updated that Canyon County awarded the new animal shelter management contract to CopperQuill Haven (effective date pending). The city stays within its budget; a review of intake allocation is underway.

Key Outcomes

  • Action 5.1: Approved contract with Mid-America Golf for Centennial Golf Course irrigation system, $3,819,759.18 (unanimous).
  • Action 5.2: Approved task order with JUB Engineers for Pertham Lift Station upgrade planning, $128,000 (unanimous).
  • Action 5.3–5.5: Approved sewer/water reimbursement agreements with Murphy Development and Idaho Holdings, LLC (all unanimous).
  • Public Hearing 8.1 (CAPER): Approved submission of the 2024 CAPER to HUD (unanimous).
  • Public Hearing 8.2 (Downtown Form-Based Code): Approved comprehensive plan text amendment, zoning text/map amendments to adopt Central Nampa (CN) zone and GB1/GB2 zones (unanimous).
  • Public Hearing 8.3 (Industrial Map Amendment – Clearwater Landscape): Approved comp plan change from medium-density residential to industrial for eight parcels (3-1 vote; Councilman Bills opposed). Staff noted this allows future annexation with conditions.
  • Public Hearing 8.4 (Crosswood Estates): Approved comp plan amendment to low-density residential, annexation, and RS-18 zoning (unanimous).
  • Public Hearing 8.5 (District 16 Master Plan – 405 acres): Approved annexation and zoning (BC, RMH, RS4, IP) with development agreement (unanimous). Council discussion included transition lot sizes; motion carried as presented.
  • Action 5.7 (Area of Impact Reconsideration): Authorized Planning & Zoning to file for reconsideration of Canyon County’s new area of impact boundaries (4-1; Councilman Griffin opposed). Staff and legal cited arbitrary/capricious decision.
  • Ordinances (9.1–9.4): All passed under suspension of rules unanimously: annexation and zoning at 7736 Birch Lane, disorderly conduct ordinance, reckless driving/speed competition ordinance, and motel/hotel licensing ordinance.
  • Council Bylaws (5.6): Discussion item; will be revisited at the next workshop with suggested edits.

Note: This summary was generated from the meeting transcript. No agenda or minutes were available.

Meeting Transcript

Yeah, thank you. Okay, test test. I think we're there. Good evening. And welcome to the city Nampa City Council meeting. Thank you all for being here this evening. Um as you might notice, a few of us are in uh festive attire. And it tonight is ugly sweater contest, and so we'll do that in just a minute. Um I just borrowed a shirt, so I don't get to compete. But here we go. We do have a tradition here, and that is that we open in prayer, and I so appreciate um our youth minister, Dustin Yankovich that is here to open us in prayer, and he is with the Rock Church of Christian and Missionary Alliance. Thank you so much for being here this evening. Let's stand and we'll open in prayer. And then the pledge. Let's pray. Father, I thank you so much for this evening, God, and uh this time, Lord, I thank you for the leadership of our city. Uh Jesus, I believe your hand is here alive and active, Lord, and working through these men and women as they lead our city. I pray, Father, that you would encourage them in the decisions that they make. I pray that you would give them wisdom, Lord, that they need to make good uh and right decisions, Lord, that are good for the the people of Nampa. I pray that you would also give them the knowledge that they need, Lord Jesus, the data that they need to make those good decisions, Father. I pray that they'd have all the pieces on the table to know how their decisions will impact the future of this city. Uh I thank you, Father, for those in attendance, Lord. I thank you, God that they are here. I thank you for their involvement uh in how this city runs and and is put together and the services and value that it gives to those who call this place home. Jesus, I pray that you would be with us this evening. I pray, Father, for unity among the members uh of the council. I pray that you would help them, Lord Jesus, to have their opinions and have their desires, but at the end of the day to be able to walk away from this table from this bench, Lord Jesus, and be friends. I pray, Father, for your unity, I pray for your spirit and your presence to be here in this room this evening. We ask all of this in Jesus' name. Amen. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, roll call. Rodriguez. Reynolds here. Griffin. So Councilman Reynolds. Thank you so much for being in charge and putting together our ugly sweater contest. So take it away. Thank you, Madam Mayor. It works today. That's fantastic. Thank you, James. Thank you, James. That's a Merry Christmas to the council right there. So uh everybody that participated today, I see a few of you. Please line up here in the front. I'll come down there with you. If you have a sweater on, you're gonna get judged. There is a prize, and we have uh four celebrity judges or five. We have uh two captains from NAPA police department and a lieutenant, and we have Jimmy Whistler from International Minute Press and Elaine from BRT.

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