Good evening.

It is five oh one and we are going to go ahead and start our city council meeting.

Um Pastor Kelly Sears was going to open us up in the invocation, and I do not see her um at this time.

So we're gonna go ahead and get started and um I was about to say Pastor David Bills.

But Council President Council David Bills is gonna open us in prayer in the pledge, and if you'd like to participate, please stand at this time.

Amen.

Bills.

Entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda is published.

Still moved.

Well, Clerk, who had a second on that?

Councilmember Griffin.

Griffin, okay, all right.

All in favor, say aye.

All right.

All right.

The consent agenda is approved.

At this time we are moving to section uh three for an agency report.

And I um do we have the Culwell Veterans Council present?

I don't see them yet, sir.

Okay.

There was a presentation that was going to be provided by the Coldwell Veterans Council.

And don't see them.

I don't know.

Was there was there a lot of parking?

Uh I know odd question.

Was there was the parking lot full?

Is there another event going on?

No.

Okay.

I just said sometimes there's usually competing events and parking can be challenging.

Um if council's okay, I'll just go to we'll just move to staff uh communications and then we can come back to 3-1 once we see Cold Will present.

So 4-1 Spencer will bring us a public work staff update at this time.

John Spencer, director of water resources.

Um staff communication will actually be presented by Andy Zimmerman.

Um this is for an award that was achieved by one of his staff.

Good evening, uh Mayor and City Council.

I'm Andy Zimmerman.

I'm the uh superintendent for the water renewal treatment facility.

Um I'd like to congratulate Jordan Trevino on receiving the operator of the uh year for our lab at the water renewal facility.

On 2020 or January 21st, she received from the Southwest Idaho operator section, which is a part of the PNCWA, which is the Pacific Northwest Clean Water Association.

Um she started with NAMPA in January of 2020 as a lab tech one.

She moved her way all the way to recently as the lab supervisor.

She oversees a team of six, and four over 40,000 lab samples run through her lab each year.

These uh analysis are for operations for process control, our permit, and also our renewal permit.

She has a class four license through the state of Idaho, which is the highest award or the highest level of certification licensure you can have for the state of Idaho.

Um she's dedicated to improving and enhancing our lab capability.

She's trying to bring a lot of store a lot of items in-house versus outsourcing.

She also plays a key role in our outreach and education for uh the public and our school system.

She does our plant tours and she also does classroom presentations at some of the schools.

So I'd like to congratulate Jordan Trevino on receiving this Southwest Idaho operator of the year for our lab.

Uh Jordan, I uh see you started as a lab tech one and have worked your way up, and that's awesome to see just your advancement and the pride you take in the work that you do, and we're proud of you, and uh you very much deserve the recognition.

So uh thank you for what you do for the city of Niampa and its citizens.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, thank you guys for the opportunity and able to do this and to bring all the fun science to it.

So thank you guys for that opportunity.

Yeah, can you show us?

Can you pull that up?

This is it.

Excellent.

In all its glory.

Very cool.

Is there is there a trophy room now at the which the water renewality filing cabinet?

Nice filing cabinet.

You're gonna have to start one.

But yeah.

On top of it.

Yes, on top of it.

Yeah, so I think we're gonna take a picture if that's okay.

Amy's gonna take a picture.

Come up here and then we'll stand around you.

Let us know if we can all be seen.

Okay, all right.

Yep, you guys.

All right.

We're gonna move to item two, four-two, and Daniel Badger is gonna come up and give us an engineering staff communication and highlighting the FEMA floodplain update.

Mayor and Council.

Um, for for those of you, this is a little bit of a history.

Um, we'll start there.

In um the the city joined the national flood insurance program back in 84 uh when we got our first flood insurance maps, and then FEMA came through and did an update to those maps in 2011.

And um prior to that update, we worked with FEMA, um went through an appeal process.

We didn't necessarily agree with those maps um that they adopted in 2011.

They significantly increased um the floodplain um on Indian Creek throughout Nampa and Canyon County, Caldwell, everywhere.

Um so we we weren't successful on our appeal when they originally adopted those maps, but um since 2021, we've been working with Bowen Collins and Associates, uh consultant engineer to uh restudy um Indian Creek as it runs through NAMPA.

Um and we were able to do that uh a lot due to some data that we had collected at the wastewater plant on the actual flows on Indian Creek.

Um and so with that um in September uh we were the new floodplain maps were adopted on September 26th of last year.

Uh these uh maps reduce or affect about 980 properties um within Nampa by either removing them from the uh floodplain or reducing their flood risk that can have uh effect on whether they need to carry flood insurance on the property or just how much that flood insurance can cost.

Um we will be sending out uh the uh postcard that you see there to all of those residents notifying of them of the change and recommending they talk to their insurance carrier and their mortgage carrier, um, as they're the ones that actually require the um flood insurance to be carried, not the city.

That's that's through their mortgage.

Um you can see here on this map um shows the old and the new.

So the the bottom map shows those 2011 maps um and the the upper one are the new maps.

Uh so you can see the red cross hatched area is the floodway.

Um, so that's the most restrictive area and the highest uh charge for the flood insurance.

That has been reduced back to where it's pretty much just within the channel of Indian Creek, so there aren't really structures affected by that.

And then the yellow portions of the map are the 500 year floodplain where there are no regulations for flood insurance, and so you can see a fairly significant decrease in the floodplain for Indian Creek was accomplished through the efforts of our our consultant and working with FEMA on on making those.

Any questions?

Okay, I'll just want to I thank you so much because this might seem like a small small deal.

It's it's hard to push back against the feds, and I want to be clear to the public.

This is not some compromise where we're compromising the safety of the people there.

Uh we worked diligently, you did to get more accurate information than what the feds were imposing.

And so this is a more accurate reflection based on careful stewardship that will financially benefit the people who live in this area and allow investment, much needed investment in the community.

Uh the aggregate financial impact of this is significant.

And so I thanks to the city of Napa, the staff for being diligent on this front.

So Tom.

Thank you, Mayor Council.

So Daniel's being very humble.

It's he did a really good job on this, and there was a lot of determination and data and discussions, and I him and I have been working on this for over I don't know, seven years now at least.

So this is a good day for us.

We got we had this done.

We're proud to announce this.

So um, but there's a lot that we weren't the only ones working on this.

Like I said, we had the consultant, we worked with FEMA, we also had citizens help us out, which is what I wanted to talk to you about for just a minute.

So I've I'm brought in Ron Harriman here, probably a lot of you probably know him.

And I just have a short statement I want to um and then a quick story I'll tell about Ron.

So I want to recognize Ron.

He assisted the city in technical information on the hydrology and geology of the groundwater under in Nampa as it relates to the New York Canal and Kalapi Gates at the Mirror Canal, which is the headwater of Indian Creek in our impact area.

This information inspired us to understand the dissection of multiple irrigation facilities along Indian Creek all the way up to Mayfield and Stage Stop Impoundment by I 84.

This information was very useful to FEMA to understand the complexity of irrigation and creek diversions in the West.

And it's also an excellent story of uh a city and and the public working together on a common goal to solve a problem.

So Ron, he also wrote some reports about some of the hydrology as well, provided that to us, and basically just a very quick lesson on the New York Canal.

Over 100 a year ago when New York Canal was built, it's a leaky canal, so uh that's where all the shallow groundwater pops up underneath Napa.

And then that and then over a hundred years ago when there was uh farms in Caldwell and Nampa that were being flooded out because of that rise of groundwater.

They the irrigators came in and dug all these drains.

And so Indian Creek acts like a drain because it's a low natural low point, and this also has some modifications to it.

And same thing with Wilson Creek.

That's actually a constructed drain by an irrigation district.

So that that was an important fact to help understand how the complexity of this, and also there was I remember Ron and I specifically went up to the Calapy Gates, which is over by there by uh McDermott in our impact area by the New York Canal.

So everything upstream of that through CUNA, uh Indian Creek and Newark Canal are one body of water, they merge together.

And then the Clappy Gates are 100% open, which Ron and I talked about.

So all the flood water goes past that into Lake Lowell, right?

So that was a huge data point for us to remove all that flow out of the system.

And then you can just look at if you want to understand the system a little better, go look at that right below the Clappy Gates where the Indian Creek starts to form.

It's only a trickle of water, it's only about this wide and about this deep.

And then go look at it in Caldwell and see how much there is there in that park.

That's just how much groundwater is accumulating in these drains.

So that's anyway.

That was important part of this, and and Ron was very helpful in uh inspiring us, like I said, to understand some of that geology to explain the FEMA.

Thank you, Ron.

Any questions for me?

Yes, uh, mayor.

Yes, go ahead.

Would you stand with Ron so I can take a picture of you?

Yeah.

We're at right here.

Right there's okay.

You're gonna stand behind me.

All right, look.

Sure.

Sure, yes.

All right, thank you.

Look, that's right, Amy.

We're doing a big photo.

Yeah, I know, but I'm gonna be.

Oh, oh, oh.

Sorry.

Oh, you're good.

Good.

Amy?

Okay.

All right.

Hey, Ron.

Ron.

Thank you, sir.

Ron.

Thank you.

Yeah, you can see a Ron.

Thanks, Ron.

Yeah, if you can hear me.

All right, we're gonna move to 4.3.

Uh, Chief of Staff Clay Long is gonna bring us uh several updates uh tonight.

So uh Clay, good to see you.

Thank you, Mayor.

Council.

Uh just three quick updates we wanted to provide.

You guys got communication last week.

We should have finalized uh council liaison assignments this Friday.

Um there's still a few that uh will require council approval for uh actual seats that are on voting for some of the commissions, but that should be finalized, and we'll bring it before the council for the next meeting.

Um also in your packet was the waste to energy task force information.

Uh this is uh as you know, we've been exploring and working on this project for several months.

Uh Tom has been leading the charge on that.

Uh this is coming forward as informational, just so you guys know that we're gonna establish a task force to continue that work and investigating and um being able to gather additional information on those components.

Um the last one uh similar to the task force uh where we won't adopt it formally, um, but the animal welfare is another task force that we'll be standing up uh and and seeking community members to sit in on to help guide and provide some direction on um how the city as a whole can continue providing those services.

So those are my three updates, but happy to answer any questions if there are any.

Council, any questions for Chief of Staff Long.

All right, thanks for the update.

Appreciate it.

All right, uh 4-4.

Uh Rodney, good evening.

Evening, Mayor and Council um Rodney Ashby Planning and Zoning Director for the record.

Uh, just quick update on planning and zoning commission last week.

We had a pretty quick meeting.

The first thing they handled was a subdivision final plat approval for Middlebury North number four.

And that was approved.

And was on your consent agenda today.

Sdivision.

And that they were just reconfiguring some of their lots in a previously approved preliminary plat for uh development of 163 single family detached dwellings and 28 common lots.

And that one was approved.

And then the next one was a pre-annexation and pre-zoning.

We haven't had too many of those, but those are when they're out in our impact area, and they want to get our recommendation of approval when they go to the county.

When this comes before you, we will give you a lot more detail than that, but essentially they're just getting our our recommendation of approval to the county when they go through this process.

And that one was recommended for your approval, and that'll come before you on April 6th.

Then the final one was an annexation and zoning and subdivision preliminary plat for Sagewood subdivision.

This is northeast of Lewis Lane and South Side Boulevard.

And there's some things, some conditions that they're working through with the engineering uh division to uh address like a pump station, they're working on a pump station, and so they needed to continue that until they could resolve that.

And they looks like they're going to be able to resolve that and we'll handle that again on the 10th of March.

And that's all I have.

Mayor.

Yes.

I have questions not regarding what you just presented, but for your knowledge base and the opportunity while we're here.

Uh while listening to hearings today at the Capitol, the discussion of ADU and EDU restrictions was brought up.

A neighboring city had stated that they have 6,000 outstanding building permits that developers aren't building on.

There they he claimed the market's stagnant.

I was curious if the city of Napa has a similar issue where this council or previous councils has approved the building of a development and they're not being developed, they're just sitting on those that approval.

Um if you're okay with this, Mayor, um sorry about that.

Uh Mayor and Council, if you're okay with this, uh we are going to be presenting our annual uh report, and I think that's at the next city council meeting.

And we've done some analysis of all of those that have been approved versus not approved, uh excuse me, or not built on, and I think that'll give you a much more detailed analysis of that than I could give you right now.

So Mayor, if I could just a follow up, and the only reason I asked today is because we have other applications come forward that want more building permits.

Is it something of concern for you that we might be approving something that doesn't get built out for seven to ten years?

Um I don't just my own personal opinion is development happens so over such long periods of time that it's it's hard to say well what's happening right at this moment we gotta stop all growth, or are we gonna really increase growth?

Um, because it just takes such a long time to develop subdivisions.

I mean we're still developing subdivisions that were approved 15 years ago.

So I think that you know it just happened so long, and so it's it's probably a question for our building department as well.

Just hey, what are those numbers of how many how many uh building permits are we looking like the building permits are staying steady from the previous years?

Um but we'll we will have some of that analysis.

I just am careful not to base decisions for a specific land use decision to like today, based on an assumption about what the market is doing right now.

I think the market responds and goes up and down over time.

Aaron, just for a comment.

If the building department could come prepared at the same time that you're presenting that, just having rough numbers.

I I want to talk about it more.

Uh for me, obviously, the the train is rolling with us in it, uh, and we're moving forward.

Uh, I think we've all expressed heartache about the 15-year developments because what happened 15 years ago to today.

We have different standards, different procedures, and those development agreements, in my opinion, are are way behind the times on some of these developments.

So I would say that for future council if we approve something that isn't being developed for 10 years or being sat on.

I think it's not good for the city, not good for surrounding development to have that standard.

So for later conversation, I just didn't know if there was validity to that statement being made today.

I I don't want to I don't want to say whether validity or not.

You don't have to.

Yeah, thank you.

So maybe clarification.

I'm used to ADU being accessory dwelling unit.

Are you using A as an approved dwelling units?

So today the discussion, there was three items up for topic.

The state wants to say cities have no say whether somebody builds an ADU or EDU on their property any longer.

And it's a it was would you define ADU?

Accessory to welling unit.

Accessory dwelling unit.

Yes.

We allow that there's several things uh just legislatively.

There's also I think a component where duplexes would be an entitlement.

Um you can't prohibit.

I think there's also some other components where and actually uh director Ashby and I were looking at some of the proposed legislation.

There's another one where units on a religious land would not be in any way even go through an approval process, and there would be no limit.

And there are some questions we have about um several pieces of legislation.

But um I think I think as Director Ashley says, I think the next is it the next council meeting.

I I believe so.

Um I'll take a look at that and I'll okay.

But we're gonna have the annual report with a lot of data hand out.

Okay, I think that'll be good.

And thanks, Councilman Griffin.

Just to alleviate some heartburn, all three proposals died today, so we don't have to be thinking about it.

It was a 5-4, so it's close, and they're talking about bringing more forward this year.

But and they were held in committee.

Yeah, not necessarily died, but held in committee, so it could come back, but yeah.

Yeah, so that there's definitely a movement to preempt uh there's a nationwide movement to do more preemption on what they view as restrictionary zoning practices at the local level, but it does call into question the compatibility of a community when you allow the transformation and like um you know isolated pockets or spot zoning almost um within uh established community, it creates challenges.

But we'll keep our eyes on it.

So yes, uh councilman.

Yeah, Rodney.

The the problem that I see is that when we have these projects and proposals come before us, let's say 14, 1500 homes in a certain area.

What we don't see in our packets is the ones we have approved 10 years ago or four years ago.

And so now we just see the initial what we're looking at, what we're voting on.

And so I wonder if it's good to see the whole picture uh rather than just the the one project.

Is that okay?

Um I mean I'm just asking the council to kind of help us out a little bit because some of those is is density and it's and it's making it grow faster than what we would like.

I don't know, I'm just just an idea.

Director Affney.

Just quick response to that.

Um we we actually do try to highlight those subdivisions that have been approved.

Um sometimes they're not developed out, but we will show where they're approved on the map and just say, hey, to the northeast is this subdivision has been approved with this number of units or whatever.

So we if there's ones that were missing, um please let me know, and I I will make sure that we do a better job of of getting that in the packet.

But for the most part, we we're trying to highlight what's been approved in the in the area.

Okay, just an idea.

Thank you.

Um thanks, Director Ash.

Really very quick, just do the DAs transfer with the change of ownership.

What's the development agreements are related to the property, so they stick with the property?

It hasn't always been that way.

It has always been that way, it has always been that way.

Okay.

Um as far as pending units that are undeveloped.

I know one entity that keeps a close eye on us is the value of school district because they have to be able to provide capacity.

And the challenge for a school district like that is you have all these entitlements and people aren't building at a certain pace, and at any given moment, you could see mass building out of some of those permits.

So um that that is that is a challenging dynamic.

But uh thanks for the clarification on the DA.

I think I had it reversed in my head.

So okay.

All right, thank you.

No, you're good.

Thanks.

All right.

We're going to go to three-one, which is the an update on the Cobbler Veterans Council.

And I see that Terry Harrell is here.

Are you gonna give me giving the report, Terry?

I can do it.

I know that uh ranging is gonna do that.

Is is is Randy here?

Um, prepared to do it.

Yeah, I think we're we we uh we skipped over and we're coming back to this time.

So I think you're capable, Terry.

And just in brief, um I think there'll be some comments showing that Councilman Rodriguez is kind of working as a liaison to the Caldwell Veterans Council.

There used to be a more formal relationship in the past between the city of Niampa and Caldwell.

Um I could speak for my dad who's a vet has accessed the services of the Caldwell Veterans Council.

And I know Caldwell is in the name, but they service the whole county.

And just like the NAMPA Family Justice Center, it's not just restricted to the city of NAMPA.

The family justice center serves the whole community.

So what I'm hoping for is some reciprocal uh relationship with the city of Caldwell to also um here from the NAMPA Family Justice Center, for example, to be more familiar with what's going on with services that might be provided with a city in the name, but it's really services provided to both entities.

So what I thought would be helpful for us is to just be familiar with what goes on at the Colorado Veterans Council and what services they provide.

So this is an agency report.

And um I think we're giving about seven minutes or so with some QA.

So uh Terry, why don't you introduce yourself for the record and yes?

I'm uh Terry Harrell, uh past uh chairman for the College of Veterans Council.

Uh I'm just a director there now, just a director on a 13-member board that when it was first established, uh had uh the mayor of Wilder, a state representative, uh a uh city liaison council member from Nampa, one from Caldwell, uh, and then uh uh chairman and then representatives from each of the veteran organizations, and that sense has grown to a 13-member board just because we wanted to branch out and get more representation from a broader community because it's the mayor stated.

We cover not just Caldwell, but the entire west end of the Treasure Valley to include Mallard County, uh Clareau Jordan Valley, Baker.

If you're a veteran and you need help, uh we're there to serve them.

And uh and a lot of help has come to NAMPA to uh to help veterans there.

So if you're a veteran in need, uh Victor has done a superb job in linking us back up with organizations, civic organizations, service organizations and veteran organizations here in NAMPA so that we could start building that relationship again.

Not that it was totally gone, but that uh the service organizations especially, well, including this this body here, probably knew nothing about us.

Probably knows nothing about the programs or services that are available to our veterans and how we do outreach.

Just the other day, I got a call from the police in chief of Wilder, and there was a veteran in a car, 16 degrees in the morning, and he was at the truck stop there on 95 Ward goes through Wilder, and he was wrapped up in a blanket living in his car.

And it had several health conditions that uh caused him to lose his employment, and he got evicted from a rental here in Nampa.

And we were asked if there's anything we could do, and a couple of us jumped in the pickup.

We went out there with jumper cables, got his vehicle started.

He had to actually get in and scrape the ice off the inside of the windows in the vehicle, and uh because he didn't have enough gas to keep the vehicle running and stay warm.

So we got his vehicle filled up with gas, took him to the veterans hall, and we have a shower there with personal hygiene items, clothing, that kind of thing.

Got him taken care of, fixed him a hot meal, and then while he was there talking with us called the Boise Rescue Mission and got him an appointment with a room and uh the doctors, the people that they had the medical staff to do an evaluation and got him set up for 30 days over there until he got got things settled back in again.

So uh a couple other examples uh early on.

We had uh a veteran that passed away too, actually, and uh assisted living facilities over here in Nampa.

And uh the policy back in uh 2018 when we did it was uh if there was no next can claimed the individual they were, the coroner, county coroner would have them cremated, they'd be put on an urn put on a shelf, and then after six months, uh the urn went to the landfill, which is I can't believe we'd do that on with anybody uh except maybe the most cruel people out in the penitentiary, but uh our veterans deserve much better.

And so we went uh through the process of talking to people that live there, going through, and like most of them, they had no paperwork to identify that they were a veteran, even though the staff, everybody had heard the stories, knew he was a veteran.

And it took us eight months on the first one calling Arlington Cemetery and working with the uh Auto Veteran Cemetery over in Boise.

But eight months later, we got his DD 214 and was able to get him and turned over at the cemetery in Boise.

And the same one with the other one, only it took us about three months because we learned some of the ropes to go through.

So just think of that, you know, giving the proper respect and honoring that individual when there wasn't anybody else there that cared or throw the you know the urn in the landfill.

Well, since then the county has changed her policies, and if there's anybody that they can't find, then they call us and we'll jump in and work that.

So we're able to do things extreme as that.

We uh as the slides that we gave you some time ago, you were able to review, really see the networking that we do throughout the state and reaching out and providing care of whatever level it needs to be.

We've given away three vehicles.

We had a veteran family that uh needed their vehicle to work, it broke down more money than what they could pay to get it fixed, and we had miraculously the next day had a uh a Korean war veteran that had a couple of vehicles he needed off of his property, and and one of them started and run perfectly, and we you know talk about uh you know heavenly father watching over somebody, went out and I took my trailer just you know to haul it.

We didn't need to put the keys in, fired right off, beautiful little Jimmy, and took it over, gave to the family with the with the uh title to the vehicle, and and you know, took care of them right there.

So we're able to do that in a lot of cases.

We don't have a lot of money, but we're networking, as I'd mentioned earlier with throughout the state, about 160 organizations that we can go to the Idol Veterans Network or the uh another one through the IDO Division of Veterans Services joining forces, where if we can't cover the resources, or if it's somebody that's really kind of out of our area, uh, then we can reach out in there and that work with them, and there'll be some organization, usually that'll jump in and help.

Uh the real needs that we find are people we had another veteran that uh for whatever reason hadn't paid uh for his gas bill for his propane for his RV that he was living in.

And to the point where the company was no longer gonna come out and provide pro propane, and it was coming winter, so we agreed to pay for them to come out and fill the tank.

We weren't gonna pay the $3,500 gas bill that he had accumulated, but at least it got him a full tank where it could get him going through winter to work with other organizations to try and and resolve uh the other issues.

So it's medical bills, all of the kind of things there that we can help.

But the other one is networking with, and we've already met with the American Legion over here.

Uh we've met with a couple of other veteran organizations we yet to meet with uh the VFW, but offering them advice on things that have worked.

I know that they're trying to rebuild over here.

I got a good group of people, a good commander that's coming on board.

Uh so the legacy organizations, I think we've got a chance to stand back up, tall, work together.

We've learned that we have to kind of put our resources together and help, and it helps that that all of you know that we're out there, and you can reach out and help in some ways too.

We just uh Tony with the resources he had over at uh his food bank and so that we can reach out and get food into the hands of of the families quickly.

Um it uh we're there, we're called the Call of Veterans Memorial Hall or Callboard Veterans Council, but that was as the mayor said uh said that uh because we're over there and we're actually appointed as a board by the C of Caldwell uh and have authority to work with each of the department heads in the city so that uh if it's a resource officer or engineering with a code enforcement issue or something else, we can go to them and veteran to veteran work with the family or the individual to resolve the issues before it gets elevated to the police chief uh or the mayor or somebody else, and uh we've had a hundred percent success that way in helping them so that it lets you do the good work that you do and allows us to continue serving and helping our veterans.

So uh other questions.

Thank you, Terry.

And I know the the packet, the record shows uh high-level summary of some of the stuff they did.

And um did you how about you introduce us to some folks and just tell us?

This is uh Joe Moore, he's our uh DAV representative.

This is uh Jessica Hannah, excuse me.

And uh she is our secretary on our board, and then we got Scotty uh down there, he's uh our Coast Guard rep and uh vice chairman.

So uh I thank them for coming down and there's a service dog.

I think Parker Parker, yeah.

Parker's chillin' yeah, and and we do also have uh Lieutenant uh from your uh uh police department that is a liaison on our board just like we do with Caldwell.

Uh that uh and it's interesting in Caldwell and NAMPA do things differently as far as code enforcement.

NAMPA isn't affiliated with the police department, but NAMPA has a very unique thing, and I congratulate you on that is for mental health issues you have uh a uh medical tinian and an officer that is trained on how to deal with medical crisis issues in Caldwell doesn't have that, and we're it was great to be able to get those our representative uh from Caldwell together and talk, and I think the cities can grow together and helping across because I mean people are transient, you know that they travel back and forth a lot, and uh especially those that are struggling with homelessness or mental crisis, they'll be wherever you know they'll be bouncing around on a real regular basis.

So I think uh the teamwork that we can do and partnering, sharing resources and and uh doing what uh our veterans deserve is the right thing.

And I thank you, Mr.

Mayor, for reaching out and giving us Victor.

He's a hard charger, I tell you what, he's got us running talking to people.

Yeah, Victor Victor likes to get to work, so I'm I'm glad that that relationship is is um taking and and I appreciate the coordination with our law enforcement agency and um knowing that our police department does have some mental health support.

I don't know if council is even fully aware of that.

Um that uh definitely helps when there's calls that present um challenging situations where there's mental health um uh presented.

So uh moving forward, we we hope to learn more about opportunities to you know potentially partner if those opportunities arise, and just knowing that we can work closely together.

I've uh I encourage council to check out Veterans Day.

They have a beautiful Veterans Day ceremony um there at the Colorado Veterans Hall.

And um, I don't know if you've been to our Memorial Day ceremony here at the cemetery.

We we we take a lot of pride in the respect we have in our Memorial Day ceremony, you have.

And so um I think it's great, very complimentary of how our two communities um honor our our um our veterans, and so we'll we'll see where it goes.

Uh Councilman Rodriguez, would you like to kind of briefly state kind of what your hopes are as we're actually let me introduce Terry Harrell?

He's a colonel for the United States Army.

He's last served in Iraq of uh a battalion of 800.

Then he retired, right, sir.

Yeah, right.

And I also want to introduce uh Mr.

Joe.

Um he's a canyon county retired deputy sheriff for what 30 years or something like that?

15.

And so uh all the police officers know him because he's writing in your face when you go into the jail.

But more than anything, if if any veterans are here or active members of the military, would you please stand up?

That's you too, Ron.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

One of the reasons, one of the reasons that I said that was because there's about 16,000 veterans here in the Treasury Valley, of which most of us don't know Canyon County, they don't know that not only is our benefits that from the armed forces that the that the veterans are not receiving uh there the uh uh the the Caldwell Veterans Council are helping them get their benefits.

So if you are a veteran and you don't have any benefits coming, there's some that out there, and this and these gentlemen are trying to find who they are.

Uh one of the things that they do impact our community is because of the uh what the millions of dollars that that they bring into Canyon County.

And I think a lot uh folks don't say that because you you all are pretty humble.

And uh, but one of the things that we need to understand is is that there's comes with being a veteran, of which I'm not, brings what what I've learned is come with the bring us a veteran, our mental and physical disabilities and the throat and his financial.

And this is where the Caldwell Veterans Council reaches out to you.

And um we're now working with uh uh Lieutenant Kimball uh regarding the mental health facility.

Responding officers understand that when you have an issue with with the veteran, that there's a different way to handle.

So we're trying to circumcircumline that if you will, and not necessarily hit head on.

That's what the veterans are youth do.

We don't want to do that to them any longer.

So I think if if you understand that our our veterans are very precious to us, then you'll step up and and actually help.

So three couple of points that I can bring up that Victor brought up, and that is we work hand in hand with what Judge Beaver and Third Judicial District with the Veterans Treatment Court and those kind of things working.

There's there's weird rules for veterans.

If they're incarcerated, their medications, their pay, everything is stopped.

So if they have a family, they've now put that veteran and his family in crisis until we resolve that issue.

So if we know that, and by having the law enforcement agencies aware of that, working veteran to veteran, and they're working training the officers in the department so that if we know we're going in to a nonviolent situation with a veteran, we can treat it in such a way that we don't cause that crisis.

Because we can do that, and we can work through the court system to solve that because it really a good example is we have a let's say an individual that spent six years in the military, had a n frugal at saving money, gets out, and now he's got to find a job.

Okay, he's just come out of the the war zone.

I remember when I came out of Iraq, one day I had my battle rattle on, my weapon, my pistol, my knife, everything.

The next morning they come in and they took all that from me and put me in a glass walled van, took me to the airport, put me on a jet, and flew me home in my uniform with none of my stuff.

The next day I'm back in the states, and you know what, I'm bare naked, I'm scared shitless.

Because here for 19 months, I've been wearing that stuff.

See my buddies, everybody else, some get killed and maimed.

And you take that mentality and you put them back on the civilian world and say, all right, you go find a job, you go find an apartment.

That's why we have some veterans that are in crisis.

I mean, we're causing it.

And that's what really brought it about the couple of veterans from our hall, because when I came back, I I commanded a hundred or eight hundred and thirty-two soldiers, of which eighty-two were female.

Uh, and I watched them get kicked to the curb.

Said, you're on your own now, take care of yourself.

And you know, that tore my heart out.

So we built the veterans hall.

We've been working hard to establish transitional programs, building stronger veterans, those kind of things.

Uh, but I'd like to also say that our not nobody in our organization gets paid.

We're all volunteers.

You can look at 99.9% of all the other service programs out there, wounded warrior, don't want to talk bad about any of them because all of them do some good, but all of their executives and their staff are paid, some over a quarter million dollars.

And their worldwide network, they get in, you know, huge money from corporate level to pay for their advertising and their marketing.

But if you look at the impact that we have in Canyon County and West, it's a lot bigger than what they do, and we can do it a lot cheaper, and we can work with the local folks, Canyon County, uh, and make it happen.

So I really encourage you to get to know about us, visit our website, and uh if it looks like you can help us out in some way, then I encourage you to do that uh as you go through.

And uh I appreciate it.

Yes, counselor.

I have a couple questions if I could.

Uh have you or do you currently receive any funding from the city of Napa at this point?

No, no.

We do from Canyon County in Caldwell, though.

Okay.

I think it's a worthwhile venture from this councilman's perspective that we do uh get involved some way that we can.

Have you ever submitted an application for the community block grant?

Because this is a housing related and and it might be worth Mayor.

I don't know if because it's based in Caldwell, if they're able to apply with us as well.

I would encourage you to do so.

Um I think that's once again another worthwhile cause.

Uh even the good mayor's husband or husband father.

Sorry, Mayor.

Okay.

Father's experience this.

You're you're having a real impact.

And so we fight we fight hard for knowing that there is an impact that we can see and and see the fruition of that.

So I would recommend if we're able to give resources that you apply for that, and we can figure something out there.

I know you do have a good grant writer, and the mayor's talk to me a little bit about the stipulation with the community block grant is the money has to be spent within the city limits of NAPA.

So work with you and with uh uh the veteran organizations to identify those projects within the city limits of NAMPA and then write that up.

Is yours due in August like Caldwell's is it uh anybody know?

I don't know.

I'll find I'll do it.

Yeah, we'll we'll follow up with you too.

But thank you so much for coming tonight.

Thank you for what you're doing to help the veterans in our community.

It's appreciated.

We look forward to seeing how we can at least at the very least promote and encourage veterans looking for help to point a mirror.

Thanks, Terry.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Right, council.

Um that clears our agency and staff communication reports.

We we can go to new business site.

If council's okay with it, I don't know if there's any members who are here wishing to speak on a non-agenda item.

I'd like to maybe give members of the public that opportunity now, or else they're gonna have to wait several hours.

Um is that okay, council, if I bump that now.

Is there uh clerk anyone who signed up to speak on a non-agenda item?

Um Mr.

Mayor, there is not.

Okay.

Is there is there someone present who intended to speak on a non-agenda item?

Mayor uh mayor, hold them on.

Um I'm sorry, I just interrupt.

We could get a group photo with these gentlemen before they leave.

Okay, okay.

Yes, uh Amy, yes.

All right, so come up front, gentlemen, and we're gonna take a picture with you.

Right up here.

Oh, yeah, it's hearing us some more of you.

Joe.

What's up, buddy?

Scotty.

Hey, hello again.

All right, how are you?

All right, all right.

All right, Amy's gonna get our picture and then behind me.

Yeah, okay, gotcha.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, thank you.

Thank you.

All right, thanks.

Yes, all right, yes.

I'll be there.

All right, since uh no one from the public is here to speak on a non-agenda item.

I'm sure there's some who are here to speak on public hearing items, but that will come for see you guys.

Thanks, Terry.

Uh, we will try to maybe get through a couple of these new business items.

So 5-1.

This is an action item to authorize the mayor to sign a resolution authorizing the council and mayor to adopt bylaws of the city council of Nampa, Idaho regarding meeting conduct and ethical standards.

This is followed by a resolution uh to adopt the code of conduct.

So these are two different things.

So the first one is uh the bylaws and um council.

Don't know if you've gotten a chance to see the the final product is presented in our packet, but this reflects feedback from our last workshop.

So uh moved second.

All right, there's a motion made by Bills and a second by councilwoman Jangula.

Um discussion.

Okay, this is a roll call from the clerk.

Scog.

Yes, Reynolds, yes, Rodriguez.

Yes, yes, gingula, yes, Bills.

Yes, all in favor, motion carries.

All right, five two is uh this is the code of conduct, and we will sign this and it gets phrased in the back of council chambers.

Um so um is there a motion on this one?

So moved.

Second okay, motion by Reynolds, second by Jingula.

Any discussion?

Okay, clerk will take roll.

Gog.

Yes, Bills, yes, Rodriguez.

Yes, Griffin.

Yes, Jingula, yes, Reynolds.

Yes, all in favor, motion carries.

All right, five three.

This is to confirm appointments per the arrangement with the conveyance of the Fort Island Center CWI.

So it lists the mayor is on that.

So this is really a formality, the because the mayor's names.

Um, and then two council members.

And council member Natalie Jingula and Councilmember Dale Reynolds.

So I would entertain a motion to just kind of bundle this motion.

So moved.

Okay.

Motion.

Motion made by Griffin.

Who is the second?

Rodriguez.

Um any discussion?

Uh if not, the clerk will take roll.

Gog, yes.

Jingula.

Yes.

Bills.

Yes.

Reynolds.

Yes.

Rodriguez.

Yes.

Griffin.

Yes.

All in favor.

Motion carries.

All right.

We will move to 54.

We'll just keep going.

Um this is an action item to authorize finance to reclassify ARPA funds from the Sherman Fire Flow.

So the 16th Avenue, South, 19th Avenue, South.

Um, and the amount of 248,794.

Um Doug.

Uh we have a motion already.

And a second.

Motion from Bill, second from Reynolds.

Any discussion?

Yes.

Councilman Griffin.

Just to confirm from Doug where that amendment and the number the additional monies would be coming from, or is it just a complete reclassification and then we have to just state it was RP and now it's in this budget, not necessarily an amendment or what we're going to incur.

Uh good evening.

Chris.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

Chris Boazgar's a capital manager.

Um Councilman Griffin, just to clarify your question.

Um so it's not we're not um adding funds to ARPA.

What we're doing is we're taking funds that were originally obligated or under contract for one project or in this case two projects, and moving funds to a different project in order to make sure we cap up capture all of our ARPA funding.

Thank you.

Yeah, no, great question, Councilmember.

These funds had to have been committed under the prior, I think the prior fiscal year, they have to be expended in the by the end of the calendar calendar year, not fiscal year, correct?

Calendar year.

And so we are this is we're winding down here and getting all the ARPA money expended.

Correct.

Yeah, we have uh just over or just under 1.1 million dollars left, and that'll be spent by the end of this calendar year.

All right, so we had a motion second.

Any other questions?

If not, the clerk will take roll on this.

Gog, yes.

Jingula, yes, Rodriguez, yes, Griffin, yes, Reynolds, yes, Bills, yes, all in favor, motion carries.

All right, uh Mr.

Racine has 5.5.

This is to establish a health care reserve and the amount of 500,000 to cover potential future health care claims.

So moved.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion by Bills, a second by Reynolds.

Any discussion or questions?

Mayor?

Yes.

Same question.

What pot of money will the funds be coming from, or are we just establishing it to replenish it in the next budget cycle?

Um we're establishing it as a kind of an emergency reserve.

Claims have been very high.

This is the insurance that covers everybody except the police.

So claims have been very high in last year.

They've moderated a little bit coming into this year, but we're at a point where we've got a fund balance invested of 2.5 million dollars and a DOI minimum of 2.2.

If weekly claims spike one week, I can drain that in one week.

And uh we don't want to we want to keep our health trust solvent, and this is in case we get to a point later in the year.

I need additional funds because claims spike.

Uh we'll have to have that available.

I'm not going to budget for it.

I just want to establish a reserve based on the the um the use of health care benefits across the city, so that if claims were to spike at the end of the year, I have resources to use them.

Be aware also we are looking at the health care plan to find a way to trim the costs for the next year.

So this isn't just a way to spend money, but this is coming from the fund balance.

It is additional monies only if we need to spend it, but then it would come back to you as an amendment to move it from the reserve into the actual budget.

Thank you.

Maybe any other questions, yes, councilman Rodriguez.

Thank you, Mayor.

So the uh under contributions seven point I'll say seven point seven million and the member con member contributing six hundred and thirty-four thousand one sixty-five.

Right.

So where does the 7.7 come from then?

The contributions of 7.7 is essentially what the city pays for the health care benefits for all the city employees.

That's for all departments, general govern, public works, everybody.

Okay, so the contribution from the members are premiums.

What will we pay as a deductible?

The the depending upon your marital status and your how many dependents you have, that's what's paid by the individuals.

Okay, but then you also have an 805,000 from the city.

801, right?

So we budgeted for reserves last year because the claims were as we came out of COVID about a year, two years later, the claims just spiked.

Everything went uh very aggressively high.

So we transferred money from uh part of it was from a budget, 300,000 for the budget of reserve, and then we had some additional money we transferred from workers' comp.

Well, we used to be self-insured.

We had uh developed a fund reserve of over a million dollars that um was the same basic structure, it was pay related, and we'd accumulated funds and held on to them, and we felt at the time that was the appropriate use to cover the extremely high claims.

Claims since then have moderated and come down, but it was that coming out of COVID that spiking cut everybody kind of by surprise.

So the 800 and 5,000 is just a rollover, I guess if you will.

It was a use of city funds from other sources, not new monies, but money money that we have accumulated over time.

So, how much of the interest income is being used other than 102,000?

The interest income is earned on the fund balance.

We keep it Edwards Jones.

That is helping us meet the minimum threshold.

We use it if we need to.

If I pull money out of Edwards Jones, by default, part of it is the interest income.

But the interest income is dedicated to that fund and it stays in that fund.

The city health trust is totally separate from the city.

The finances are managed separately, separate checking accounts, separate everything.

Okay, so is the is the 500,000 going to be used for the next budget year for the in to cover the increase?

I hope we don't have to use it at all.

Is it is a reserve only, which we will not invade unless claims make an uh a big spike toward the end of this year.

But we're not going to budget for it.

What we're going to try and do is not use it, and we're going to work on adjusting the health process for next year uh to reflect the higher claims.

We'll have to change some of the offerings.

Maybe the cost goes up a little bit, maybe the offerings go down a little bit.

We're gonna try and balance that internally as much as we can and not use the 500.

This is strictly an emergency fund in case we get uh two or three leaks of very large claims.

Okay, thank you, sir.

So we have a motion, a second, and I and I believe Mr.

Racine after this is gonna head.

I'm I'm heading out.

We're going to go use some of those health care benefits from surgery tomorrow.

So Councilman Rodriguez was asking, you know, this is a it's a delicate balance.

If we're if we're under funding, then we have to make adjustments in the next benefit year on either employee and or employer contribution to keep solvency in it.

So you try to get it just right, but if we're under, this is just a contingency.

So but we are gonna reevaluate what the contributions look like in the next benefit cycle year.

And that process is underway.

We've we've been meeting with the health care providers with Blue Cross with our consultant, and we have uh one meeting already through, and we have three or four meetings to go in the next two months to find the the best options to reduce it.

Right now, the health care costs are projected to increase next year by 14 percent.

We need to get that under 10 percent, and we're we're working on that now.

That's what I'm referring to.

Yeah, it's it's a challenge across the industry.

So all right, so we have a motion and a second, and there's been discussion.

Any other questions?

If not, uh the clerk will take roll.

Scog.

Yes.

Tingula.

Yes, Rodriguez.

Yes, Griffin.

Yes, Reynolds, yes, Bills, yes, all in favor, motion carries.

Thank you, Council.

Thanks, Stugg.

Appreciate it.

Um past six o'clock, so we will not take up any new business.

We'll come back to five six after.

We're gonna move into public hearing.

Uh public hearings at this time.

We do have three public hearings uh before us tonight.

And the first one, eight one is annexation zoning of right-of-way along Cherry Lane.

It's a light industrial and RS4, single family residential for roadway adjacent to parcel next to East Ranch Subdivision Zero Middleton Road for Idaho Holdings LL C.

Um is the applicant present.

What numbers?

Yeah, what I did.

Mayor and Council, Dana Snodgrass, associate planner.

Um the applicant is not present today just due to the nature of the application.

Yes.

Um, so the requested action item is just the annexation of roadway of the right-of-way.

The legal districtions came in incorrectly when it was originally dedicated.

So we are just annexing in that right-of-way so that we can have it dedicated to the city for future improvements to that roadway.

If you'd like to go through those, uh I also just have your motions if you're ready for that portion.

Okay, let's let's open it to public testimony and then we'll come back first.

So okay.

Thank you for that.

Is there anyone signed up, Clerk on this item?

Uh no, Mr.

Mayor.

Is there anyone who's present who intends to speak on 8-1?

Okay, seeing that no one is here and the applicant's not here to offer a rebuttal.

Is there a motion to close public hearing?

Second.

Okay.

I think Jangula Beachu, Reynolds on the second.

Uh she's quick tonight.

All right.

So Mr.

Mayor.

All in favor of closing public hearings.

All right.

Public mayor uh public hearing is closed.

Uh what's the will of council?

Mr.

Mayor.

Yes.

I moved to approve the project as presented with recommended conditions and proposed findings.

Second.

Okay.

Motion by Reynolds, second by Griffin.

Um discussion?

Mayor Hogbone.

Yes, Councilman Rodriguez.

I don't recall if there was a limit amount to purchasing the right-of-way.

Do you do you all remember that?

Because I don't know.

Legal, it can staff clarify this question.

Mayor.

Okay.

Mayor City Engineer Daniel Badger.

This right-of-way that is being annexed, it's existing right-of-way that will be requested to be vacated late at a later date.

Um, so there is no compensation.

Um we're not purchasing right-of-way, we are just annexing it into the city so that it can be when they realign uh Cherry Lane, that this portion can then they can request vacation of it through us and incorporate it into the development.

Okay, okay, thank you.

All right, thank you, Daniel.

Okay, we have a motion, second.

Any other questions?

Okay, uh seeing that there's no more discussion on this, the the clerk will take roll.

Yes, Jingula.

Yes, Bills Copson.

Rodriguez.

Yes, Griffin.

Yes, Reynolds.

Yes.

All in favor, motion carries.

All right, we're moving on to 82.

Uh this action item is a variance of 10-23-20 limiting permanent freestanding pole or monument signs in the BC zoning district to a maximum 25-foot height and 200 square foot area on a 3.33 acre parcel for Idaho electric signs representing a whiteheast center LLC.

The original concept was to replace the existing and deteriorated pull cover, electronic message sign, and cabinets to improve appearance and advertise more tenants.

Is the applicant present?

Hello, good evening, sir.

We'll have seven minutes.

So once you state your name and address, the clock will start and tell us what you're asking for tonight.

All right.

Jim Namath, Idaho Electric Signs, uh 6528 Supply Way, Boise, Idaho.

All right.

So we're looking to um maintain the height and uh square footage of the existing sign with renovating it.

Um with repaint, um changing out the digital display.

Um the existing digital display is um out of warranty, can't get parts for it anymore.

Um the purpose is is that um we've got existing tenants that need that advertising space.

It's a major thoroughfare.

Um we're looking to beautify that street uh 12th 12th Avenue there.

So um I think we'll maintain that with the design.

Um originally built it in 1999.

Um, so it definitely needs some repair work.

So it's been hit a few times, and uh and so that's what we're looking to do.

Thank you.

Any questions for the applicant?

Mayor?

No.

Not necessarily for the applicant, but for staff, and maybe you can speak to it if you do know.

If this is our rate, is there no grandfather clause if they've already established a sign and just maintaining the same square footage in height?

We'll address that in the staff report.

Yeah, okay.

Okay.

Any questions?

I'm hungry now because I like the pizza that we've had.

These digital displays really advertised.

There's gonna be a Sarah's baby.

Yes, and there's a road.

All right, thank you.

Are there any questions for the applicant this time?

You will come back up for a final rebuttal.

Mayor, can I comment?

Yes.

I just want you to know it's probably one of my daughters, I think hit that sign.

Yeah.

Now you know who's responsible for that.

There we go, yeah.

All right, thank you.

All right, thank you.

Um staff, uh Terry.

Good evening.

Thank you, Mary.

Mayor and Council members.

My name is Terry Friend, associate planner for the City of Nampus Planning and Zoning Department.

The application we're talking about today is a variance from NAMPA City Code 102320, which is the regulation within the current sign code that limits freestanding signs in the BC or community business zoning district to a maximum of 25 foot high.

Idaho Electric Signs on behalf of the property owner is requesting this variance to be allowed to refurbish the 35-foot high Waihe Center freestanding sign without having to reduce the height of the sign to meet the 25-foot maximum.

Just to give you a little feel for it, we're in a commercial corridor here to the north, south, and east are all BC community business zoned properties.

It did not change the screen.

Hang on a second.

Oh, thank you.

There it is.

Somewhere in 1965, 1970, exact date unknown.

Multi-tenant freestanding sign was erected for the shopping center.

In 1999, that sign was replaced by the existing sign here, which is 35 foot high and advertises multiple tenants.

At the time, the sign code allowed for a freestanding sign up to 40 foot high.

So they did actually install something a little smaller than the maximum allowed at that time.

Sometime in the two early 2000s, again, exact date unknown.

The sign code was revised to change the maximum allowance for signs in the BC zone to 25 feet.

So as Councilman Griffin noted, this is a non legally nonconforming sign because it was in fact in compliance when the sign was installed, but it doesn't conform with the current sign code.

But the sign code also has a stipulation in there, 102321 that specifies that non-conforming signs shall not be replaced, relocated, or be structurally altered unless every portion of the sign is made to conform with the current regulations.

So the proposed work to refurbish the sign does in fact structurally alter it, so that's why we're here tonight.

On the left is the sign that is existing, and on the right, the sign the way they propose it.

So the narrative tells us that the owner would like to maintain the same height of sign and square footage.

Um they refurbish the sign.

That way they don't have the expense of refurbishing the sign and um correcting that overall deterioration while losing some of what they consider to be viability.

Um here are the variance criteria.

You've seen these before.

Um it allows you to grant a variance to modify quantifiable or measurable requirements imposed by the zoning code.

A variance is not to be considered a right or a privilege, but may be granted to an applicant upon showing of undue hardship because of special characteristics applicable to the site, which would deprive it of the privileges commonly enjoyed by other properties in the same zone or vicinity.

Variances are not intended to allow something that others would not have the permitted right to do.

So the purpose of that variance again is to provide fair treatment and to see that individuals are not penalized because of site characteristics or situations beyond their control.

Again, the criteria, literal interpretation of the code results in practical difficulties that are inconsistent with the intent of the code.

That there are extraordinary site characteristics that are not typical of other properties in the same zone.

Literal interpretation of the code would deprive the owner of rights that are enjoyed by other properties in the same zone, and granting the variance does not constitute a special privilege that is inconsistent with the limitations placed on other properties.

And lastly, that we're not creating something that would be detrimental to public health, safety, or welfare, or materially more materially injurious to properties in the vicinity.

So Awaihi Center is adjacent to 12th Avenue Road, which is a principal arterial roadway at the property location.

12th Avenue Road is four lanes wide and has an additional protected center turn line in front and immediately to the north and south of the subject property.

12th Avenue Road is flat and it's straight.

There are no significant rises or dips or curves in the road that we limit the visibility of the sign for northbound or southbound traffic.

You can see in the picture here, this is a southbound on 12th Avenue Road.

The red arrow points to the Away Center sign.

Notice that the road is straight and flat, and nothing is limiting the visibility of that sign.

And this is a picture, same vicinity from the view of northbound traffic.

Again, the road is flat and straight, and nothing's limiting the visibility of that sign.

And this picture shows where the sign is installed in the parking lot of the Awahi Center.

Notice that there are no trees or landscaping near the sign location.

So again, nothing that would limit the visibility of the sign at any height.

There are numerous businesses on 12th Avenue Road in the same two-block area of the Owaihe Center that do have freestanding signs.

However, these signs are quite a distance from each other.

So there isn't really sign clutter that makes it so that it's hard to distinguish a sign.

The nearest commercial sign on the same side of the street is BIMART, which is approximately 350 feet to the north.

And Chicago Connection, which is approximately 265 feet to the south.

And here are some neighboring businesses with their freestanding sign.

These are all on the east side of 12th Avenue.

They include Sinclair, the Getaway, Wendy's, and Chevron.

All of these signs appear to be in compliance with the 25-foot maximum.

We did receive two agency comments about this project.

First from the building department, specifying that building regulations must be met at the time of permitting sign and electrical permits will be required for the work that's proposed, and engineering calculations and stamp drawings related to the sign footing foundation and attachments will be required from an Idaho licensed structural engineer.

The fire district did provide comments, it really related to their incident response time, and there was no public comments received.

So the decision about this variance is really at your discretion.

There are arguments and conclusions to support either approval or denial.

I've provided those in your staff report.

The proposed refurbishment of the sign really is a substantial financial investment by the property owner to update the appearance of the sign.

Updating that sign is not just improving the sign itself, but it is also improves the appearance of the entire property.

In addition, new tenant sign cabinet that has been proposed as part of the sign refurbishment will provide additional sign panels to identify tenants that have businesses in the location.

Uh in addition, new tenant sign cabinet um that has been proposed as part of the sign refurbishment will provide additional sign panels uh to identify tenants that have businesses in the location, and um it's important to consider that if you do approve this variance, the sign is going to be refurbished, and it will continue to be 10 foot taller than allowed to other businesses that could be in place, and that sign could be in place for another 20 or 30 years or maybe even longer.

Um, if you decide not to grant the variants, the property owner may not choose to invest in the sign, um leaving it as is.

That means it continues to age, it continues to deteriorate, we didn't really fix anything.

Um the sign doesn't have additional spaces for future tenants.

Um the existing electronic message center sign uh may also become non-functional because of the age of its electronic components.

We do have a number of recommend recommended conditions of approval.

Those have been included in your staff report.

Um and here are potential motions.

I'd be happy to stand for any questions.

All right, thank you.

Any questions from council?

Mayor?

Yes.

Terry, do you have any idea how tall that billboard is?

It's on the opposite side of the road by Getaway Girl.

Um I do not billboards are generally um they're no longer allowed in the city.

So we don't um we don't do new ones, but existing ones are allowed to be structurally there, and so I don't even know the age of the sign to look it up.

Is it do you know if it's taller?

Um it looks taller.

I just the angles I'm just curious.

I would suspect it is.

Okay.

They're also allowed to have larger, substantially larger square footage.

Um get back to that picture real quick.

It showed that it's taller than the gas canopy, so I'm gonna say it's probably 40 feet to the bottom.

Yeah.

Uh Terry, can you clarify when you said no more billboard signs?

That that's an important distinction from that is an important distinct distinction.

Commercial signs are related to individual businesses where um billboards are intended to be off site um advertising sold for periods of time.

However, that sign right there, which would be advertisement are still allowed in the city, correct?

I'm sorry, like the waihe center sign.

No, when you talk about advertisement, though, we're we're not saying those are disallowed, the red sign.

No, they we just don't create new ones.

Billboard signs.

Okay, gotcha.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Okay, thank you, Terry.

Um, has anyone signed up, clerk to testify on this?

No, Mr.

Mayor.

Okay, does anyone present uh wish to testify on this item?

Okay, seeing, oh ma'am, yes.

Uh please come up and state your name and address, and you'll have three minutes.

My name is Helen Aldrayan, and I'm from Helen Al Dryan.

It's spelled the A G H A Y.

Okay.

And I'm the trustee of the building.

I'm here from Vegas.

And we bought the property or to trust the property uh a year ago.

And all we're trying to do is improve the area, and we're thinking even for the future to improve the site of the shopping center because it has aged.

The previous orders have did not take care of it.

We just changed the lights in the parking lot if you're driving by.

So we cannot do it overnight.

It takes time.

So we please ask you to give us that variance so we can have the tenants' names up.

Their business will continue because they'll be contributing to the city with paying their taxes.

Okay.

Uh ma'am, we didn't get your address.

Oh, I'll ask for the rest.

Do you want my resident address or the property address?

Reference.

Legal.

Whichever one is better if we have follow-up questions.

Um it's 1928.

Glenn Eagles Court.

Henderson, Nevada.

Eight nine zero seven four.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you.

I hope you understand our situation.

We may it takes time.

Okay, thank you.

All right.

Anyone else intended to testify on this item that did not sign up.

Okay, seeing that there is no other additional testimony with the applicant like to offer this as your opportunity to provide any closing remarks if you need to state or provide clarification, anything that you've heard.

And the signs that we had seen on the other locations are single tenant.

So we really need the visibility to make sure that those tenants stay in place.

So that we continue to make it viable as a great shopping center.

So that's all I got.

Thank you.

Any questions, Council?

The applicant.

Okay, thank you.

Mayor, I moved to a closed public hearing second.

I think Griffin got the second.

Okay, the public hearing is closed.

What's the will of council?

Mayor, I make a motion to approve the variance as uh presented.

I think J.

got the second.

Motion by Bill, second by Jangila.

Any discussion on the motion?

To approve the variance.

Seeing that there's no discussion, the clerk will take roll.

Yes.

Reynolds.

Yes.

Rodriguez.

Yes.

Griffin.

Yes.

Chingula.

Yes.

Bills.

Yes.

All in favor.

Motion carries.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh I'm I'm thinking about the pizza still, sorry.

Sounds really good right now.

Okay.

Um eight three is next, Council.

I th there are quite a few people who are here to testify on this.

And so I would recommend if we want to take a brief break, we would do so now before we jump into this because it's going to be a long one.

All right.

So we're going to be at recess for about five minutes and we'll reconvene a little past.

And then uh we'll be um we'll resume.

All right, thank you.

I'm not wasting any time.

All right, we're going to uh Councilman Rodriguez, Councilman Griffin.

We're gonna we're gonna resume here in about 30 seconds.

So present.

We got five out of six.

Still thinking about the pizza.

Still thinking about the pizza.

Deep dish pizza sounds amazing.

All right.

Well, we are on eight three, and I'm I'm guessing it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that most of you are probably here for I don't know if the aliens hacked our system or not.

Okay.

All right, we're good.

So we're on a three, and the scope of this project is significant.

And so I I do want to state out of um the outset that planning and zoning uh made a recommendation to allow extra time for the applicant.

Uh and so extra time is being granted to the applicant to make the presentation.

The applicant will have 15 minutes to make this presentation.

And then uh we'll we'll have the staff report.

So eight three is an action item for annexation zoning to BC, RMH, RML, RD, RS4, RS six, RS eight point five, and RS12 zoning districts for a master plan community with a development agreement.

That and you'll see there's various addresses um identified there on Greenhurst Road and Happy Valley Road and South Robinson Boulevard and Locust Lane.

This is for Sean Brownley of Trilogy Development representing open door rentals.

Uh the original concept is a mixed use development with detached and attached single family residential, multi-family residential, neighborhood retail services and office space on approximately 276 acres to be platted in the future.

Um technically we're all good to go.

All right.

Is the applicant present?

All right.

Um so once you come up, you give us your name and identify yourself for the record.

We're we're gonna allow 15 minutes for applicant presentation on this.

So good evening.

Good evening, thank you, Mayor and Council.

My name is Bonnie Leighton.

I'm at 5561 East Hoot Owl Drive in Boise, Idaho, eight three seven one six.

And I'm here tonight on behalf of the development team and the property owner to request uh your uh approval of annexation and zoning for our project known as Orchard Acres.

This is a master plan community in the city of Nampa.

And with that might have to do this.

So as I mentioned, this is a master plan community, and the goal for the city has always been with master plan communities.

There's a minimum number of acres, which is 40.

Obviously, we exceed that.

And we've really developed this project around um the smart growth uh design principles as outlined in our application.

So with this uh project, what we've looked at is providing some neighborhood retail and services, office space, a variety of housing types, open spaces and trails to provide walkability, connectivity, and a sense of community uh in this area.

So quickly, um uh the overview here as you will see um we are located uh east of uh Happy Valley Road and south of Greenhurst, uh Locust Lane uh is generally in the southern location of our project, and then we're bordered on the east by Robinson Road.

Um this slide shows that there are a number of schools within the area.

This slide shows that there are a number of schools within the area, and also a large city park that was developed in 2006 as the Crow flies, it's about a half mile away.

It provides some fantastic amenities, not only to the existing residents in the area, but we foresee that it will also be used by our residents along with the open spaces that we are providing.

Generally speaking, and we have some more detail on the transportation plan, as you are aware, that was a major concern in our planning and zoning hearing.

And so this slide just shows generally speaking where we are, there's a lot of access in the area, some principal arterials, a number of completed roundabouts, and then also in the blue circle, there's our project anticipates an overpass, and so we are currently in design on that.

Frontage improvements along Greenhurst would be almost 3200 lineal feet of frontage improvements with this project, almost 2,000 lineal feet along Robinson Road, another 655 along Glocust on the north side, and 555 lineal feet on the south side, and 510 lineal feet along Happy Valley.

So again, this project is also aiming to, as part of uh code requirements, but also would go a long way to help uh improve traffic conditions and right of way conditions in this area.

Um so we are uh community mixed use, residential mixed use and low density residential.

This is a future land use map.

Here's how our project sort of fits into that at a greater scale.

Um superimpose the zoning plan, uh, our plan with some uh zoning in in the immediate area for your reference.

I know that the area of impact line was recently updated.

This property still remains within the city's area of impact.

So in this master plan community, we plan to develop in uh four different neighborhoods.

Each will have a number of phases with those neighborhoods.

So this is a project that will be a 15 to 20 year build out, and I think that's important to reiterate just because uh this isn't going to happen overnight, and there are various improvements that are associated with that.

Um see here are the zoning districts that we are proposing, and an idea of where the densities will be.

We're trying to transition from commercial and higher density in the north to lower density in the south.

Um phasing and development plan, as I mentioned, um we've got uh pretty lengthy uh timeline on this just to start construction.

Uh horizontal, we would anticipate if we were approved tonight, would be Q1 of 2027.

We would start with the Cedar Mill neighborhood and horizontal construction would not be complete until uh 2032.

The overall project we're anticipating at least 2042.

Um this is a phasing plan that I can spend more time on, but I'd like to I can revisit this should you have more questions, um, but we're really looking at uh first certificates of occupancy to be not until 2029.

So residents wouldn't be living out here until then.

Um traffic plan and considerations.

I'm going to yield my time if if permitted over to our traffic engineers.

I think they can speak more eloquently as to the traffic impact study that they created.

Um with that was one of the issues that we had at planning and zoning, although it's not required to be submitted at this step.

Um we had a draft that hadn't been finalized with city staff, and that has since been finalized and accepted by staff.

So that I'll turn it over.

Thank you.

Uh Sonia DeLiden with Kittleson Associates, and um as Bonnie mentioned, we were the transportation engineers and consultants who prepared a traffic impact study for this project.

Even though your annexation application doesn't require a traffic impact study at this time, the applicant knew it was an important issue and wanted to get ahead of questions that came up related to transportation.

So we did do a traffic impact study working with your city engineering department and then looking in detail for the first plot, the Cedar Mill Plat.

We also heard the feedback from the planning and zoning meeting about the neighborhood concern related to traffic issues.

And as you look further out in that area, more traffic deficiencies become present.

This slide shows specifically as you look towards the future, that 2045 horizon year, what mitigations are specifically triggered by this development.

So we know there's future needs that will be dictated by other growth and development in the area, things that are already approved and planned by the city.

And then this shows on top of that what is specifically required for this development.

So you can see there's turn lanes at all of the site access intersections as well as some mitigations there at the Robinson Greenhurst intersection as well.

So these are these improvements, of course, will be further studied as future phases of the development come online, but we wanted to present this to you today.

Other contributions the project will be making related to transportation.

So first if you assume the city's current uh traffic impact fees, the project overall will be contributing over six million dollars in traffic impact fees.

Um these building permits for this development, should it move forward, won't be pulled until five, maybe even ten years from now or more.

So that number will likely go up as your fees go up in the future.

Um and those are the fees that the city has that can go towards all of those needed background improvements.

Um, those mitigations that the city has identified, even without this development in place related to future growth, um, and that that's a contribution this development will be making.

Um, in addition to that, uh, we've been working with city staff.

Um, we heard the concern about crossings on Happy Valley.

There is the East Valley Middle School to the west on Happy Valley, and there's uh likelihood that there would be future students in this neighborhood.

And so this developer is committed to putting in some sort of protected pedestrian crossing at that key site access on Happy Valley.

It could look something like this pedestrian hybrid beacon, um this photo here, or whatever working with the city engineering they deem appropriate.

Um, but it's only about a third of a mile from this development to East Valley Middle, and so providing that protected crossing we see as a benefit for getting children to and from that school in the future.

And then finally, we heard concerns about emergency response times with the rail crossing.

Currently, the Happy Valley cross or crossing of the rail is just at grade, and we heard concerns from the neighborhood about um the impact of response times if additional traffic were to be added to that because it can currently be quite people can wait quite a bit of time there if there is a train crossing.

Uh, and so we talked with the city um engineering department, we talked with uh City Fire.

Um City Fire actually wasn't as concerned about this because of their placement of not only their existing stations but a future potential station in this development.

But even so, we presented some ideas to them, including some technology that can be implemented that if a rail crossing is closed by a train at a given time, it would end a service call comes into an emergency service provider, they would get notified of that and notified of an alternate route they could take to get to the call sooner, and the developer is willing to upfront the cost of that for the city if your emergency service providers would like to implement something like that.

So I will uh give the time back to Bonnie, but happy to answer any more detailed questions if you would like.

There.

Yes.

We'll pause the applicant's time.

Yeah, Councilman Griffin.

Just in regard to the train crossing emergency alert system that you alluded to.

Does that reduce the time from the nearest fire station from seven minutes to lesser time, or is that only in the event that there is a train crossing that it will reroute them, but it won't less than that seven-minute period because it's still a distance issue.

So what um what it will do, uh mayor and council member, what it will do is um when a call comes in, it typically goes to multiple stations.

And then based on their current software, they decide which one is the closest and can provide the quickest response time.

What this software will do, um, which they don't have access to currently, is alert alert that process to the fact that there is an active train crossing on that at-grade train crossing on Happy Valley and um or yeah, on Happy Valley, and it will use that in the calculation to say, oh, without that train crossing, station X would have been the quickest.

But now, because there's a train crossing, station Y is the quickest response time.

So please send the call from station Y instead.

Follow-up, Mayor?

Yes.

So in this analogy of station X and Station Y, the closest being station X, it's still seven-minute report time.

If the train was added to that, it could be 14-15 minutes, and that's why it's asking for station Y to report, which then could still be eight to ten minutes because of the distance between, correct?

Uh Mayor and Council, it it I I wouldn't, I don't can't answer your question specifically, but yes, it it it would still it would direct it to the uh station that could respond the soonest.

I can't confirm whether or not that means it would keep it within your seven-minute requirements.

Mayor, can we hear from our fire marshal on that?

Yeah, um, are you okay with staff uh answering that question during the applicant time?

I would be fine to think okay.

And then I have a follow-up for fire commissioner chief or whatever your official title is.

So I'll just give you give us a name and title for the record.

Thank you.

Uh Mayor, Council Member Griffin, and members of council.

Um, to your specific question of will it change the seven-minute response time.

Um, as your model is right now for our dispatch, station two is your first out.

The reason station two is your first out is because it does not have to cross the tracks period in order to get to that area.

So that seven-minute response time is is going to remain seven minutes in the sense of it's not improving from station two, right?

To have now this system is something that is a benefit to the city, especially when you do have tracks in which emergency response has to cross.

Um so for like if in this situation you could look at it as if station two is out of quarters because they're on a call somewhere else in the district.

Um, this can prioritize what your next stations would be, would be stations ones or stations five.

Um, if those two stations are on the other north side and station six is in-house, that's gonna be a farther response, but station six doesn't have to cross the tracks, and so it would alert station six in that in that sense.

Um I don't know if that does that give you uh a better understanding of kind of what they're offering is a benefit, but it it itself is not necessarily going to change the initial seven-minute time from the first due fire station.

Thank you.

Mayor, follow-up if I could.

Yes.

Uh and uh obviously these are our response times that we're trying to achieve five minutes and twenty seconds is the calculation.

And I didn't get your title, so I'm going to call you Chief from now on.

Uh fire marshal chief.

Okay.

With the consideration of the minute and 40 seconds, I know for some that might be insignificant from your perspective as the fire marshal is a minute and 40 seconds critical to the approval of a project like this.

I think any time is critical in terms of emergency response.

So whether it be EMS, whether it be fire, um, the longer that it takes you to get there, yeah.

Things can occur that maybe aren't the positive outcome that you want, right?

Um when you look at the five minute and 20 second time frame that um is generally the industry standard for fire service response.

Um that and we I've talked with um the development company on this as well and other concerned citizens.

That five minutes and twenty seconds is generally a response time that has been created on the east coast of America.

So you have a different response time there where you're going to have fire stations everywhere from a half mile to a mile apart from each other.

And so that five minute and twenty-second time frame is much more achievable in that side of the country than it is in an area where we are, or we are we are suburban, but we are also still very rural.

And so we have things like railroad tracks that do get in the way of emergency response as well as just the distance that it takes for us to get to certain locations of our fire district.

So for us as a fire district, we have traditionally placed our fire stations roughly there about a two and a half mile to a three mile radius from each other to try to overlap that what we call hotspot area or where the most calls are coming in, just so you guys can understand how we are trying to combat that extended time frame within our district when we decide to put a station somewhere.

If that kind of gives you an idea, it makes a little more sense of why we would put a station somewhere or why we wouldn't.

One last follow-up, if we could mayor.

Seven minutes is the bare minimum.

In perfect conditions, it's seven minutes.

But if anything else adds to that, traffic, train, et cetera.

And I know that we're trying to alleviate that situation with these additional contributions.

Seven minutes is going to be the best case scenario that we can imagine at this point right now.

Correct.

Yeah, as your current fire stations sit and as your response model stands right now from dispatch, seven minutes is your your window from station two.

Um it has been discussed with the development company the the future of how they plan on developing uh this area.

Um there could be the potential for a station to be put in that area as their build out occurs.

Um we have software that we work with, which we we discussed and talked with them about where we would put a station and why.

Um so we can we can help kind of forecast that.

But as it stands right now, station two is 3.3 miles away.

Um roughly seven minutes.

Station five is 3.5 miles away, give or take.

Roughly seven and a half minutes.

Um so when I give you that seven, seven and a half minute window, it's to the address, which is 5705 Greenhurst, I believe, which is kind of right in the middle of where that development would be.

So I was trying to try to say, yeah, you might be there in six minutes and 45 seconds if you're at the top corner, it might be seven and a half minutes if you're at the bottom corner.

Thank you.

All right, council.

I I'm gonna propose the applicant finish um the presentation, and then um we'll still have our staff report and then um maybe reserve some of the questions.

They might some questions might be addressed in the staff report potentially.

Um, and then of course the applicant will come up on the back end after public testimony, and we can um maybe ask some questions, so take notes.

So um you have a little shyer than four minutes left.

Um, do you have some final items that you'll have to do?

That was what I wanted to highlight on traffic.

So I'm gonna give the rest of the time back to Bonnie.

But again, like you say, happy to answer more questions later.

Okay.

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

And um Councilman Griffith, I know you're really concerned about this issue.

Um, as my letter stated that I submitted last week, um, we did meet with emergency services, both uh police and fire, uh, their technology at the office was pretty fascinating.

Um what we said as a development uh team and it was reflected in my letter.

Um, we are willing to work with um emergency services to locate a piece uh a parcel in this project.

Initially, we thought Happy Valley would be the right spot.

Turns out they would actually, at least the fire district would like to see a facility located uh somewhere at the intersection or near Robinson and Locust Lane.

And so we are willing to work with them to come to an agreement to provide a space for that facility.

That obviously will improve the response times that are already an issue in the area that we had heard at the Planning and Zoning Commission.

And uh we think it could be a great partnership between us and this project and uh the emergency uh service uh providers for the area.

So uh with that um uh just to touch on um obviously with this master plan community.

We have pathways and open space plan, uh 14 miles of uh connected walkable services that will not only be a benefit to our residents but also other residents in the area.

Um then uh open space amenities for this community.

So we have some amenities that'll be specific to the multifamily development, would have a clubhouse and a pool, uh which is typical to what we do, and then there will also be some larger open spaces for the other types of homes, the the cottage homes, the town homes, um, and then the various uh single family detached lots.

So 15% open space, very walkable, but also using some smart uh landscape uh water wise principles for this.

Um, you know, this is obviously water uh concerns um for the entire region.

So uh really looking at um developing this in a way that will provide um nice amenities for folks, but also um use uh turf in sparing uh sparingly in an appropriate uh locations.

So architectural character just briefly um it will look very similar to a number of the other projects that we've built in the uh in the area and in in uh NAMPA uh in particular.

Um again, as we look at this project, this is a very long-term project with a variety of neighborhoods and a variety of housing types in each neighborhood.

Um again, trying to transition to a lower density as we um but up to there's an existing subdivision on the north side of Locust Lane uh that we kind of wrap around.

So we tried to match that density.

Um and with that, really just um thank you for your time this evening, and I'm happy to stand for any questions.

Council, do you have any questions for the applicant now that need to be asked now?

I do make clear okay, yes, Councilman Rodriguez.

Okay, um I'm one question is this.

I may have a follow-up.

Where are you getting your water?

And if there isn't sufficient water flow, what do you are you going to uh put in a uh uh pump?

Or is it going to reduce the amount of water flow from the already existing residences?

That's your first question.

Okay, Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Rodriguez.

So we have worked with um city engineering staff.

There are some upgrades and um infrastructure that we're required to put in to serve this project.

Typically, what we see um we didn't hear a lot of water pressure issues in other projects that sometimes is a concern.

Oftentimes when our projects come in, they help to provide a loop for water pressure.

Um, but it's detailed in the um city engineering report, and we are in in agreement with um the requirements that city staff had outlined uh in their memo.

Okay, so uh again back to my question.

Um is the uh are you going to put in a pump?

Or are you gonna use the pump that in different stations of let's say Osborne Park?

Or um the other ones that's in the other subdivisions that are Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Rodriguez.

I can probably address that a little easier.

Yeah, we'll have staff.

We still haven't had the staff report yet, and I think a lot of these questions might be asked, and then we'll we'll um have another opportunity with the applicant if there's still unresolved questions.

Mayor?

Yes, I'm resolved.

Uh Bonnie, can you tell me a little bit about the RSA point five area and self-locist?

What is the green space calculations for those two areas?

I know you have significant amounts of green space in the northern portions, but how many are in those areas specifically?

Uh Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Griffin, I would have to look at this at this point.

Um in our open space diagram that you can see um we're anticipating not having a large park there.

These are larger lots.

Um this is still somewhat conceptual in nature.

Uh we will have to come back to the city with our preliminary plots for each one.

So we actually had talked about in terms of um the emergency services site.

Maybe it's on that south side of Locust, right?

Um right off of Locust there.

And so again, this is conceptual in nature, and there's some room for change.

And and the mayor, if I could.

The only reason I comment to it is we've had other applicants prior before us, and we've beat them up on the same issue.

We understand that it's higher or lower density, so maybe not necessarily the need, but we don't want the ugly stepsister to get nothing.

So uh I think there's give and take there, and maybe we might want to consider uh more green space or a park rather than having the travel up many, many acres to get to the closest one for those that might not have it there.

Fair enough.

Go ahead.

Thanks.

Bonnie, I heard the four years that you had given in regard to the timeline 2027, 2032, 2042, and 2029.

Can you reconfirm what those years were?

Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Yangula, I'd be happy to.

I know I skipped over it pretty quickly just to make sure that we spent enough time on traffic.

So as I mentioned, each neighborhood will be built in multiple phases.

We're going to start in the northwest corner in the cider mill area of this project.

We anticipate if we were to receive approval tonight, we would still we would start with the cider mill preliminary platform documents to be submitted, reviewed by city staff and any other agencies.

Hopefully, we would have those documents approved by the end of this year.

That would mean that we would anticipate horizontal construction.

So putting in the water and sewer and streets, sidewalks, that would start in Q1 of 2027.

Maybe Q2, depending on the weather, I suppose.

And then we would finish for Cider Mill, it would take us several years to finish out just the horizontal construction.

We would work south through the site to 2042, 2045, I think.

So we would start horizontal construction in the beginning of 2027.

The site would be ready for vertical construction in Q2 or Q3 of 2028.

So there's a lot of infrastructure and improvements that we have to do.

So we would not have a stick in the air.

And then with the build time certificate of occupancy, our first occupied home in this cider mill portion of the project wouldn't be until Q1 of 2029.

So where we stand today, that's at least three years out or almost three years out.

Phase two of horizontal construction, which on this map you can see is kind of the pink down in the bottom at the southeast corner of this initial neighborhood.

So we would start horizontal construction on that in 2029.

And I would anticipate it would follow somewhat of the same timeline.

But we wouldn't again, we're starting that three years from now.

Phase three is estimated to start in Q1 of 2030.

So that's the piece right in the middle, the bright green.

Phase four would start in 2031.

And part of that is is there's just in this chart you can see that there's uh different number of homes, so it'll take us longer to build out phase one.

There's a lot of construction, there's some connectivity that we're required to provide.

So as we work through that, then we'll bring the next as we work through building out those homes, then we bring on the next one.

So phase three is um uh some town homes, and then phase four uh again estimated to start horizontal construction in 2031, and phase five estimated start of horizontal construction in uh 2032.

And in that slide, um kind of hard to see, but we've got some commercial acreages, obviously, off of Happy Valley Road, so those would be commercial pads that would be available.

They would probably um take a while to build out phase five, which is um kind of adjacent uh to that off of Happy Valley, thank you.

Uh those are our apartments, those would be our last phase of this project.

Um, and we've got uh in phase.

In phase two, we've got a number of thank you, some townhomes and some smaller lots.

We tried to do the density towards the center of the project.

And then also have a common more focal open space that's easily accessible to all of the residents in the area.

So this is our conceptual phasing plan, but we thought it was useful to provide this to give the city council and the rest of the citizens that have that are interested in this project an idea of how this would develop out, how we envision working with staff to build this out in a thoughtful and pragmatic matter.

In the traffic impact study that you have in your packet, there are definitely various requirements.

So thank you, Bonnie.

Yeah.

Mayor.

Yes, I think Councilman Rayas had a follow-up.

Thank you, and then we'll come to you, Councilman Scott.

So part of my growth pay for growth commitment by the developers.

If there is a need for actually the connecting to the city water, sewer and irrigation.

And it's outside of your subdivision boundaries.

Are you committed to pay for that?

Or not?

Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Rodriguez, I'm not sure I understand the question if it relates to a third party needing to connect.

So obviously that's part of a typical condition of approval.

Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.

And you answered it just fine.

Thank you.

I did want to make that clear that if you do need to go, let's just say 100 feet to connect to the city sewer that you're gonna pay for it and and and uh the city of Napa won't.

That's all.

Yes, that is correct, sir.

And um, and then also as I mentioned, and I kind of didn't cover it, uh I covered it kind of quickly.

So at the intersection of Robinson and Greenhurst, um, what we're doing there, we've got a conceptual plan.

Again, we're working with the city.

This is kind of an extraordinary um requirement that we typically don't see, but uh currently we've uh we've allotted 5.23 acres of our site to accommodate um the future overpass that would go um at Robinson and and Greenhurst across the tracks.

So again, you know, really trying to work with the city to um to help uh improve the conditions in the area.

So thank you for answering that.

Yep.

Okay, Councilwoman Scott.

I thank you.

Um I have a question, and maybe I'm not looking, I'm looking at a map that says Orchard Acre, so I don't know if it's the same one that you have there, but it looks similar.

Um you said you were going to begin with um Cider Mill, and um on my map it says that that is the multifamily housing development.

Is that is that correct?

Um, Mr.

Mayor, Councilman Scog.

So we do have some multifamily in the cider mill.

So is this the map you're looking at?

Yes.

Okay, so um this has a variety, so where you see it says phase one that's along Happy Valley, that's our commercial area.

Um so just on the east side of Happy Valley would be commercial.

Um we would uh as part of requirements for fire and access.

Um phase one is pretty long and strung out because we have to provide distances for connectivity for emergency service responses.

So we have a variety of home types in there.

Um then we transition down to phase two, which is in the southeast corner.

Phase three is in the center, phase four is the southwest corner, and then phase five does have the multifamily, those would be three-story apartments that we're proposing.

That would be brought on well towards the end of these phase uh of this phasing.

Okay, fine.

Follow up, please.

So um my question then is um in so in each of the phases, it sounds like you have both uh single family dwellings and multiple family dwellings.

And so my question is in cider mills, is that apartment complexes?

Is that townhouses?

What kind of multifamily are we talking about in this first phase?

Uh Councilman Scog.

So in the first phase, um those are so what's in the blue in the light blue, that is uh those are townhomes and uh small lot um single family detached.

So we've got those no apartments in the first phase.

Um we don't have any apartments anywhere other than in phase five, okay, where we're um indicating those.

That's what I was trying to understand.

Thank you.

Okay.

I if if if there's questions that are related, we still haven't gotten our staff report.

And a lot of these questions are um tied to nature of the development.

Uh the the applicant will have an opportunity and rebuttal and final closing comments.

I I just asked counsel to be very disciplined and only ask questions that are very specific to items that she just heard in the initial presentation.

So, Councilman Griffin, did you have something?

Yes.

I could bridge and make a nexus there, but I might have to wait for city staff.

It just was distance to the freeway.

That might be a staff thing.

I don't know who could speak to that, but we can get there.

No urgency.

Staff report may include that.

It does include a lot of distance items, but maybe not quite to the interstate.

But I I would like for staff to provide their report, and then I think ask questions related to items that are related to staff, and we still haven't heard public testimony yet.

So are there any questions from counsel for the applicant that are very specific to clarifying things in the presentation, the initial presentation?

Okay.

There's not thank you.

I'm gonna ask the applicant to have a seat.

You'll again have a chance to come up final rebuttal.

Rodney um Ashby, Director Ashby has the staff report.

Are you gonna come up, Rodney?

Or from the side, all right.

I'm okay with whatever you're okay with.

Mayor, thank you for that.

Um we actually preferred being down here because we're just presenting the facts, we're not the presenter of the project.

Yes, yes.

So all right, Director Ash, we go ahead and from the side.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mayor and Council, Rodney Ashby Planning and Zoning Director for the record.

Um, as you've heard, this is both an annexation and zoning as well as a master plan community with a development agreement that locks that in place.

Uh, original concept, of course, you've you've seen this, but um mixed use development, some commercial, some multifamily, and mostly single family residential.

Um I just want to provide a quick clarification about single family versus multifamily.

Um the city of NAMPA's planning and zoning uh department as well as the zoning code treats multifamily as multiple units on one lot.

So when you have a townhouse, you have multiple units in the same building, but they're all on separate lots.

So we we consider that still single family attached versus single family detached.

Just wanted to clarify that.

Excuse me.

Um I did notice one thing that maybe I can provide a little clarification.

Um the the map that showed Columbia High School was actually a it it showed it about a mile to the south of where it actually is.

So Columbia High School is north of Amity and be in between Amity and and Victory Road.

Um I'm gonna try my best to um hit the points that haven't been addressed yet.

Um I have a lot of information on these slides here, so if you need me to slow down, please let me know.

So December 9th, 2025, this the Planning and Zoning Commission voted to deny this or recommend denial of this project due to existing traffic concerns caused by the Greenhurst Happy Valley roundabout proximity to the main rail line.

And what they what they heard from the public is that during those main when the rail is being used by a train, it backs up traffic significantly clogging that intersection, the roundabout, and no one can move through that intersection.

So this is adding to the existing problem that is already there.

Number three was the fire district response times of seven minutes beyond the five-minute 20-second goal, as we've already discussed.

And then number four is traffic increases in train crossings lead to longer emergency response times.

Okay, um, this is the proposal.

You've heard that, so I'm gonna kind of move forward here.

Um you've heard their response to this.

Uh they met with the staff, they met with the school district, the fire district, the police department, and tried to address those needs that were expressed in the meeting.

Um they finalized the traffic impact study, and the city approved those improvements that had to be done.

Uh they are willing to work with staff to ensure a right-of-way is secured for a future Robinson Road rail overpass, and then they are willing to dedicate space for future fire station to serve Southeast Nampa as part of this master plan community.

That would not just be for this project, but for the area in general.

Um you've seen these.

I'm gonna skip through these.

Uh the comprehensive plan, you've seen this as well.

Um hard to see this a little bit, but this is community mixed use up in this corner here.

Um, this is residential mixed use, and this is low density residential.

Um current land use uh farmland, it has been farmed for for over 50 years.

Um then the surrounding land uses to the east is large lot single family residential, to the north is large lot, single family residential and NAMPA Meridian Irrigation District Office and Maintenance Yard, Union Pacific Rail Main Line.

Uh to the west is large lot single family residential agricultural farmland, Terrace Falls estates subdivision, uh that's a RS 8.5 subdivision, and then of course Terrace Falls to the south as well, as well as some large lot single family residential and agricultural farmland.

Uh utilities, the city maintains these utilities in the area.

You can see those there.

And uh engineering provided some comments that address some of the concerns about getting utilities to this location.

So we'll hit that in just a little bit here.

So here's the project proposal.

Um the area shown is kind of that orange-ish is the BC zoning, and you can see down there I don't have my glasses on, so I can't see those as well as you can probably.

But um, RS12.

Um, I want to make a quick note about this.

I heard uh some concerns about open space for those large lot um portions of this development.

So the um when we have that low density residential, we actually don't require uh the open space because we're assuming that the open space is included in in each individual single parcel.

So I just want to clarify that.

And then um you've heard their um proposal for the different amenities that go with their qualified open space.

Oh, there's the open space diagram they showed.

And the amenities.

Okay.

So the comprehensive plan really encouraged master plan communities, and that was at the request of the city council.

Um what the city council at that time indicated is that they want to see these developments that pull in the higher, I shouldn't say high density, but higher density into a development where they can actually buffer it with other types of development and include some commercial and have a lot of connectivity throughout.

So that's what the comprehensive plan encourages.

And that's essentially what they are providing here.

Let's see.

But the MPC gives you a little bit more flexibility.

They're not necessarily using that flexibility, but uh the master plan community does allow for an increase in uh densities and an increase in land uses, although they are following the comp plan exactly.

Um again, qualified open space requirements.

We've touched on a lot of these in the past, and and the applicant has addressed a lot of these as well.

So annexation, these these are the criteria that you have to use to approve or deny this.

Um if the annexation criteria are not met, you don't feel like they're met, then we don't need to go any further with the the zoning or the master plan community.

Um but these are the criteria for both annexation and zoning.

Um this is the purpose of each of the zones that are being proposed, and these are all in your this is all in your your packet that you've been presented already.

Um but I I just put these up here because you're you just a kind of a high level view of what we're trying to accomplish in each of those zones.

All right, so correspondence we received NAMPA building department had a couple of conditions that uh are pretty standard conditions.

Uh the fire district provided those comments that we've already heard about.

Hey, this is a seven minutes from the near the proposed or the anticipated uh response times are seven minutes.

And um they indicated that further analysis for impact fees will occur at the permanent stage.

NAMPA parks developers shall grant a permanent easement of 20 feet from the top of the bank for multi-use pathway along the south side of Ridenbach Canal for the purpose of the Ridenba pathway as indicated on the city's master plan for bike and ped.

Uh the developer shall construct the pathway on this easement to the standards indicated in the NAMPA bicycle and pedestrian master plan at time of development.

So I've incorporated these conditions into the proposed conditions at the end.

All right, so this is uh the engineering comments.

Um we've addressed the traffic.

Um Daniel said he's available to address any of the concerns or questions you have about that traffic, but I think that the applicant has done a really good job of responding to those those comments and the access and then utilities indicates that the utilities in the area and that there is adequate capacity for water and pressure irrigation.

City sewer has adequate capacity to serve the first part of the plan development, but upgrades back to the city water renewal plant will be required to provide capacity for project build out.

So the first phase, we've got capacity.

Anything beyond that, um, they will need to make some improvements that they are aware of.

Uh developer should coordinate sewer phasing with city development uh development engineering and provide plan for necessary upgrades prior to project build-out.

Um and then the comment about just extending sewer and water irrigation to this location.

Um, that is a standard requirement of all developments, and they will have to do it to and through the development so that future developments beyond this development will have access to city services.

That's a pretty standard requirement that we have for for city development.

And um I think I just want to make sure that there's clarity.

There was a comment about um irrigation water.

Um so I just want to make sure that that's very clear that there's separate systems.

The city has a system, a pressurized irrigation that they provide that's not potable water, not drinkable water.

Then they have the water system that's drinkable water, and that's a separate system that we have wells for, um, and then of course the sewer system.

So just wanted to make sure that that's very clear.

In drought years, the irrigation water is primarily the thing that's impacted.

NAMPA Meridian irrigation just indicated the need for their surface drainage be retained on site, and the applicant shall file the land use change application prior to final plat and protect the waterways that are in there.

That project.

There's quite a few there.

Police department indicated the need for additional support staff and officers as this development is fully developed out.

And they indicated that their police department is 5.1 miles away, but officers are often patrolling closer in an emergency.

Public comments.

We received quite a few public comments after the initial staff report was done for planning and zoning.

Excuse me, all those people listed there made comments in writing, and their concerns were about traffic impacts, vehicle accidents in the area, train causing congestion, water availability, energy availability, drivers unsafely passing school buses, emergency response times concerns there, and then nearby school capacity.

And they can't use the appropriate pesticides now for the crops on that property because they're too close to residential subdivisions, specifically the Terrace Falls subdivision.

The property owner has lived here for many years and contributed to the community and volunteered.

Their only option the farmers feel they now have is to develop the land.

Number four is organized opposition to development primarily comes from people who have moved here for the benefits NAMPA offers, but don't want anyone else to have those same benefits now that they are here.

Number five is developer provides a quality product and is local.

And then number six, it's the right thing to do to support the farmers who have owned the land prior to those in subdivisions opposing the use of that land.

So here are the proposed conditions.

And then the second one, the third one.

So the first one, not a big change.

The second one not a big change.

The third one is the change, and here's the conclusion.

The conclusion is the proposed amendments would not be in the interest of the public and reasonably necessary, because although the proposed project is in line with the city's comprehensive plan, which outlines the public interest for future development and provides a diversity of housing options and commercial services that are needed for a community to function, the project would increase traffic significantly in the area and would cause significant problems due to the proximity of the Happy Valley and Greenhurst roundabout to the railroad main line, creating significant traffic congestion when a train is crossing Happy Valley, and creating a safety concern for providing emergency services to this location during these congested times.

If you've ever seen a run-on sentence, that's one of them.

Weighing these facts, though it is in the public interest to provide housing and to value property rights of landowners, it is of greater public interest to ensure a safe and accessible community.

Therefore, the proposed project is not in the public interest.

So that's if you were to decide to deny it.

So with that, I have a couple of different motions.

This one for approval and this one for denial.

And then if you wanted to add anything, um, if you were to deny this, you'd need to just identify the facts that support that denial.

And I would stand for questions.

Councilman Griffin.

Thank you, Mayor.

I kept not my reader.

I kept notes.

I was told to do a task, so I did it.

Thank you for doing that.

Uh just I'll start with four and then I'll do my other four after somebody else goes.

The distance from this property to the freeway for those that are working in Boise or need to commute.

Mayor Council, it's three and a half miles.

Thank you.

And those that would all be driving on city roads to get to that point or county roads, or who will be maintaining those roads?

Mayor, Councilman Griffin.

Um there's multiple ways to get there.

With the addition of the 10 mile interchange.

Um I actually was in this area taking my dad to the doctor this morning during rush hour.

Um we went over to 10 mile and went up 10 miles.

So there are alternate routes, um, but those would be generally the two that um would serve this area at this time.

Thank you.

Uh real quick.

Um can you pull up page 217, which is just a map and leave that up.

My gosh, the mayor knows it by heart.

Um I have my own maps, but on this presentation, is that what you're talking about?

217 or a packet.

So it's just uh one where it shows the future land use map.

Oh, you uh that's right.

Your presentation is different than our packet.

Okay, never mind.

Just a map.

Thank you.

Okay.

That works.

Um a map of the project that oh, okay.

That one.

All right, and then we'll resume.

It's just it's it's a visual reference with the questions being asked.

Okay.

Thank you.

Go back further.

Further?

Yeah.

It's your plan.

That one existing too.

That would be the mayor, that would be the correlating map in the presentation to what's on page two.

Thank you.

All right, Councilman Griffin, thank you.

Uh the expected number of units in totality and by each phase.

UK.

The the phase one I'm not sure about, um, but the total is just on your description of the property.

Uh let's see if I can get that.

Must have missed that.

Oops.

I saw give the zonings, but I didn't see it too.

I saw a total number of acres but not units.

276 acres is all that I can see.

I just want to make sure that um I understand the helpful intent from the crowd, but please refrain from uh comments um until there's public testimony.

Um I think is there a point in the presentation where the units are referenced?

Because I I don't want to go off here say um Mayor and Council, I it looks like I I missed that one.

It's 1413.

Okay.

And that's and that's where the police is getting the 3900 estimate based on the multiplication of or are they going two point something per home?

I think on the ratio.

Okay.

All right.

Um, Councilman Griffin, any more questions?

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

I know we can't consider it necessarily here, but has I know the school districts had the opportunity to comment if they would like, but have they stated anything having potentially 1400 homes filtering into Columbia High and the neighboring elementaries?

Mayor and council, um, so NAMPA school district uh has a policy that they don't make comments about these projects.

Um I can't really speak today.

Thank you.

Uh should I stop there and let somebody else go?

I'll stop there.

You can always circle back after public testimony too.

And then the applicant rebuttal, but any other questions?

I'm not trying to discourage.

I just I want to make sure that we don't start deliberating towards a decision before we've even heard public testimony.

Well rebuttal.

So a couple of comments, Mayor, and looking through the packet.

The Happy Valley in Greenhurst roundabout was installed by the highway district, not the city of Nampa.

So please have that clarity.

Mr.

Mayor, I I would correct the city of NAMPA did install both Amity and Happy Valley and Greenhurst in Happy Valley.

Okay, I I was told differently that the highway district controlled that.

And I couldn't remember.

No, the city the city installed both of those.

Okay, so it is city roundabout.

Correct.

Okay.

Whether this project is approved, whether it's built out over the next 10 to 20 years, the current situation of the railroad crossing is going to continue to affect.

So the difficulty is that it's a real problem, and there's some thoughts and ideas on it, but instead of hammering it, 20, 30, 40 of you about that roundabout, know that it's acknowledged as a problem as experienced by anybody who is on the southeast side, which I am.

And uh so I'm just trying to make that clarity that that issue doesn't go away whether this project is approved or not approved.

And and so on that part.

The other part is is to look at the map.

The reason to try to bring up the map, but unfortunately, what we have isn't what is in our packet, is the last 20 years uh the development of all the area east of South Side.

Sorry, councilman.

Um I just feel I'm comfortable referencing a map that's in our packet that is not visible to the public.

I understand your reference for it or illustrative purposes.

We got it in our packet.

Why we can't get it?

Can you in front of the public swap to share the the council packet?

Um Rodney and just swap out and I just think it's important that the public see what you're referencing.

Uh I think it's important too.

I asked for it, but we they couldn't find it.

Okay.

We'll get there.

You have the packet downloaded, uh multi-hundred page packet.

Um, it's only 325 pages.

It's not bad this week.

217 is the page number, Rodney on the packet.

Thanks for your patience.

I I just don't want you referencing an exhibit that they can't see.

I understand.

Since you're addressing the the audience, that's why I raised it earlier.

Mayor question or are you we're we're waiting for staff to pull up the map real quick and then councilman bills will resume.

This is the question here, question time.

Yeah.

Um if this question is directed towards staff, maybe this would be a good time for it if it's more of a general comment.

Um we can reserve that for the deliberation period as well.

Yes, yeah.

And I'm just I'm just trying to avoid 20 or 40 people saying the same thing.

I'm trying to give a couple of clarifications on two important issues.

Uh I'll defer to try to assist.

But if that if that's a problem, I'll wait and give education in two hours.

That's pretty quick.

I just I don't want to preemptively address the crowd before they've even had a chance to speak yet.

So about what they maybe should or shouldn't say.

And I know your intent is to try to expedite.

It's education.

It's not it's not to sway by other.

I want to afford the public the right to stay.

Just move on.

Okay.

We'll see you back in a couple hours.

Any other questions for staff?

Yes, Councilman Rodriguez.

This one is for Daniel.

We talked about the water.

Uh the domestic sewer and irrigation.

Now, where are the pumps in this area of southwest southeast NAMPA?

And is it going to necessitate for 1400 homes to add another pump?

So the water pressure from these folks' homes are isn't affected.

So we're currently considering annexation and master plan communities.

And so our general review of it on the domestic system.

So I would anticipate that this development will not trigger the need for a new domestic well, that that will come in the future and be funded through impact fees that we collect for that.

On the irrigation side of things, it is likely that they will end up installing a new irrigation station in this area, triggered with one of those plates when it comes through.

Or upgrades to one of the existing irrigation stations that is there along Happy Valley, there's one off the South Nampa lateral that was installed with previous developments that will do an evaluation on whether upgrades to that station or a new station are more beneficial to the system.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mayor?

Yes.

Councilwoman Ching.

I saw your neck going.

Question for staff.

Question for staff.

It might be for Rodney or legal, I'm not sure, but this goes back to that point that Councilman Griffin was talking about earlier where something will annex and zone into the city and then they sit on it for 15 years and then it doesn't come back.

I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but the nature of this project is a 20-year project.

So with an annex and zone, what the decision that we make today, that last and final phase in 20 years from now, are they adhering to what we do today, or do they have to adapt their project over time with the changes that council is making throughout the years on like setbacks or other requirements?

Sure.

Give Ronnie a break.

He's been doing a lot.

So what your question is asking, are they locked into this point of time?

Correct.

And the short answer is yes.

The applicant is entitled to the body of law at the time of application.

This does have a development agreement to it.

So with that, um there could be some uh imposition or conditions put on there if there's a desire for certain timelines for completion.

Um obviously there's market factors that play into that, whether those can be fulfilled.

Um, but that is something that can be a point of conversation for the development agreement if there's certain time frames for the phase completion.

So in the development agreement, then we could put a timeline on the phase or put um language in there that would state that if there is any changes within city codes that they have to adhere to that at the time of breaking ground or something of that effect?

More so on the the first, yes.

On the second, that's that's more difficult.

Um you're asking them to subject themselves to a body of law they're unaware of at this time.

And so um that makes it really difficult.

Um and as you might recall, the development agreement does have some uh two-way discussion, and so input from the applicant is important during that for what can be acceptable for time frames if you did want to put that in as a as a condition in the development agreement.

Thank you, Preston.

Yeah, and Mayor Ronnie, anything else you want to add to that?

Yeah, uh maybe just a question.

Um this is not a uh subdivision at this point, so we don't have property lines, we don't typically establish the setbacks yet until that subdivision comes forward.

So I um I just I guess I need a little clarification there.

Uh does annexation lock in the code for setbacks and that kind of thing, or does subdivision do that?

Yeah, uh Mayor and Ronnie, very good question.

Um everything that I've read on this is that at the time of application you are locked into that law.

That's why you might see uh two years ago at Boise had a big overhaul.

There was a mad dash to get locked in for favorable predictable development.

And so that that would be the case here, is my understanding.

Thank you.

Um follow-up question on that.

For for example, a BC zone um, there's cu conditional uses that are permitted, and then there's entitled uses, let's say like a gas station.

And I know that that became an issue with like the Steel Falls development where that corner lot where the BC and then that's an entitled use.

That doesn't come back up for additional approval.

But for example, if there's a condition of approval to limit uses that are permitted under the BC, that would carry over in like it would it would be a condition of approval that even if the BC zone were to change in the future to let's say allow more permitted uses, it would it would still be constrained either by the allowable uses under BC today and or conditions of approval that might be more limiting.

Am I understanding that correctly?

And mayor, just so I'm clear on the question, it would be um if BC was the zone today, if there was an amendment down the road that was more permissible, permissible on the use.

Generally the law would permit that.

Um what the law protects um a property owner has entitlements is if there's a more restrictive use, you can have then impose that on them after the fact.

But if things open up for them, that's a benefit uh windfall to any entitled property owner.

So it would be important to be very specific with conditions of approval within the BC if this council, for example, wanted to exclude very specific uses as a condition of approval.

Let's say, for example, a gas station.

Yeah, that would be uh something to consider.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Just want to understand that based on the questions.

Any other questions from staff or for staff?

Yes.

Thank you.

Please do.

I know.

Part actually, I didn't even get all the way through part one.

So Commissioner Chief, I'm giving you both tiles.

He's the fire marshal.

Fire marshal.

Division chief fire marshal.

Deputy Chief.

Okay, we're adding more random.

I'm going, Chief.

I'm going back to what I know.

If we do open a additional fire station or the developer helps bring in a fire station to this area, what is the minimum number of firefighters that we would need to be able to house this station and operate it?

Well, I didn't quite get that number because uh when I did my initial review, I didn't have how many units you guys are doing.

Sounds like you do have that number now.

So what was it, 14 14 13?

And and just for clarity, are you wanting just sorry, go ahead, Ronnie?

Well the reason we don't have a number there is because we don't have a subdivision being proposed.

Right.

But if you're gonna open a station, um you're gonna have a minimum nine to twelve.

And would those come from other fire stations, or would it be expected that we would have to hire nine new bodies to help station that facility as well as offset the others if people move around or closer to that and want to be there?

Yeah, so if you do a full house where you have an engine company as your response, that's where you're gonna have that nine to twelve uh member to be able to house all three ships, A ship, B shift, C shift, uh minimum three-man crew.

We'd like to have it a four four-man, four-person crew, but minimum is three.

Um there are ways in which we could work, um, which we did talk about in our meeting with the developer.

Um there's uh other ways in which you could staff that.

For instance, if you open a station, it's kind of um just running what would be considered a uh QRU quick response unit or a squad.

That squad is a minimum of two people.

Um that's gonna be probably because we are an advanced ALS, so you'll have uh a paramedic as well as an EMT on that.

Um that would also have the ability to respond with a fire response as well, so they could be called to a fire at the same time.

Um so that's a smaller way of staffing it, so you could go, you know, a six to eight on that.

Um but those would have to be all new hires.

So those would have to be uh planned for and funded.

And uh how many mayor, how many firefighters would this project specifically trigger the need for?

I know we would need nine the house, that fire station, there's needs all over the city, it wouldn't all just be because of this development, but thinking specifically for this development, how many are new hires are they causing?

And would that be enough to have to trigger that new fire station to be implemented?

I understand your question correctly, which they had 1400 and some units, give or take.

Um it would be depending upon how you could work with the developer.

Uh so I I can't necessarily tell you right now that it's gonna be a fire station with a classic fire engine that that everyone you know is sees going around the city uh or coming out of station one, or if it would be a quick response unit.

You have to take a look at that at a minimum, like the quick response unit, that would be a that would be a uh probably you'd be trying to agree to have something there, right?

Versus it'd be preferable in in my opinion to have a station.

So you can have a station because as you build out for the future, you have the opportunity to cover that side of the city as well as any mutual aid agreements that you would have with Meridian, CUNA, and those areas.

So uh a fire station is the is the optimum choice, if that's what you're asking.

Yes, thank you.

Uh Mayor, if I could continue.

Yes.

The Terrace Falls and I wrote it down, but now I can't read my handwriting.

The other subdivision are is that a city or county subdivision?

Those those are both city.

Thank you.

There was mention in the report from the farmer that he was no longer able to continue farming because of pesticides he was using was not conducive to the area.

Did the city stop them from using a certain pesticide or did they choose that on their own accord?

No, um Mayor.

And council, um the argument that they're making, the farmers making, is that no, the city is not requiring them to not use that, but there are federal or state requirements.

I can't remember.

Um it's not on our level of uh authority, but they're being restricted on where they can apply those specific types of uh pesticides, and it it doesn't fall on our liability, the right to farm act is in place, but they can't use that product so close to residential.

So they're saying because of that, they they can no longer use the property for farming.

Mayor, uh if if uh I have a huge problem with that that we're bringing in properties, but it's not directed at you, it's a statewide issue, so I'll just take it up with the legislature.

Um changes made to this project proposal from the PNZ hearing to now.

Is this the exact same proposal that they heard at PNZ, or is have there been amendments made to that to be able to address some of the concerns PNZ had stated?

Mayor and council, um the only change that they've recommended is that additional fire station and then um or the the pro willingness to work with the fire department to to get some land for that.

And then um I think the additional crossing um was another new one, as well as the uh addressing the software for emergency response.

That's all I have, Mayor.

And the app and the applicant can address that um in closing rebuttal by um for the fire marshal, is is the preferred minimum law size for a fire station about five acres right now?

Four to five acres.

Four to five, okay.

So uh mayor, if I may.

Yeah, I know that they've worked with um in our neighboring city, and this is kind of what we had discussed, was where they uh is it donated two acres and then the city bought two acres, so similar to that.

So the most recent station, which is over by Owai High School in Meridian, they have the similar situation that you might be looking at here and where we would work with them to to develop a fire station in that area.

Okay.

I I would be curious from the applicant at the rebuttal time if the willingness to accommodate uh to a five-acre law is displacing the BC or one of the other zoning designations within the master plan community.

Um Mayor, if I may, also in that conversation, um if you see to the bottom of the development where that little section of land butts down south of Locus, that's really kind of where our software uh tells us if we were gonna end up putting a station, that would be the most advantageous spot to put a station because it allows us to control traffic both ways off of the new uh roundabout that's there and then with the eventual overpass that may happen on Robinson.

Okay, gotcha.

Thank you.

Mayor Mayor.

Or did Rodney okay, further clarification?

I just needed to respond to your comment there about whether it will replace um some of the land use.

Uh I just want to make sure that it's clear.

A fire station can be placed in any zone.

So it's however the acreage is um uh designated.

So I I am curious if if there was the contemplation of a fire station, which is not included in the breakdown um what it would be displacing.

So knowing that it's an allowable use um along yeah, many lines.

So it was it was more a curiosity.

So Mayor?

Yes.

Really quickly to Sabat to Councilman Griffin's um statement there.

It is actually Idaho Law, it's Idaho Law Code Title 22, Chapter 34.

Thank you.

If you want to go lobby.

I do.

He wants to go to lobby.

Okay.

That makes me I think Councilman Bills had a question, so we're gonna have Councilman Bills.

So Elijah uh question is uh in light of the everything bill between South Side and Happy Valley took place in the last 20 22 years.

Has been serviced by station two as initial out as initial response out, yes, to station two.

And when so the software that we have uh councilman, it's called Dark Horse, and what it does is it allows us to take all of that response data and then put it into the maps and overlay it and show where the calls are happening versus where the calls are not happening and where the growth is happening as well in in the city.

And so, for instance, this section of land is is not as we would consider um hot, like a hot area that we would be immediately saying a station is immediately needed right there today.

Uh those are in different locations in the city right now.

So are do we have a problem with our current setup?

Because most of these folks are probably living in that area.

Councilman, do you can you clarify what you're saying we have a problem?

Well the questions asked earlier about fire station.

I'm trying to clarify this applicant is offering to potentially provide uh site for a future fire station, which seems like that'd be a great benefit to the existing developments that are already there.

It would be a good benefit.

I I don't disagree with you there.

If that's where they're gonna go down the road, I think in just the brief conversations that we had, it was as the development builds out, and I think that section of your development was towards the 10 to 15 year time frame.

Okay.

So it's something we'd have to take a look at if that's if that's where you guys want to go.

How many times has your fire truck been blocked by the railroad track crossing and the train going through?

It's a good question.

I couldn't give you a specific number of that, councilman.

Um, because I don't have that data tracked.

Um in my own personal experience, having driven fire engines through there.

I've I have not personally been blocked, but it's not that I'm not saying that it hasn't happened.

So I'm not diminishing the the potential that it could happen.

So having an overpass, yes, that's more that's that's the optimum versus not.

So but I haven't had personally had it while I was driving fire engines or riding on a fire engine.

Okay, thank you.

Are we good to go to public testimony or no?

Or there's still questions.

Okay.

Questions for staff that need to be asked now or it can be asked after public testimony.

Now because it will be part of the applicant's rebuttal if they're willing to have that a development agreement attached.

What would the cost be to build a new fire station on five acres if you considered the land and the build out?

Ballpark.

I know this is an impossible question, but ballpark.

Yeah.

I could go off of fire station six and say 16 million, but I don't want to do that.

Uh yes, fire station six would probably be your closest one right now.

Um I couldn't give you a future five years from now, uh, ten years from now, what those costs will be.

I uh I I just couldn't do that.

Thank you.

All right.

I believe we have some people signed up.

Yeah, you've all been so patient.

Um so we're gonna move to public testimony at this time, and we have some who are signed up.

If you have not signed up, um you'll you will be afforded an opportunity to speak.

Um is Councilman Bills was saying earlier, I I would encourage um you have every legal right to use your three minutes to repeat verbatim what was said before.

However, um I would you know encourage maybe some discretion to use your time, utilize it.

If if something's been said, you can you can expedite and say I agree with this and that.

Um but however please do not feel pressured to not use your three minutes as you deem fit, but um you can kind of piggyback off what's been said.

Um okay.

Um clerk, who's who's the first one sign up?

Mr.

Mayor, our first speaker is Noreen News, and on deck is Brett Turner and Mary Joe Antill.

All right, so you can line up all three, and of course, you'll go in the order in which um the clerk listed.

And once you give your name and your address, the the three minutes will will start.

Um the clerk will say time once the three minutes hit hits.

Um I will allow you to finish your sentence, but not to finish um paragraph, uh, nor run out sentence as was exhibited earlier by uh uh director Ashby.

Um so uh Noreen, you're up.

Good evening.

Thank you.

My name is Noreen News, N-U-N-E-S, and I live at 5547 East Victoria Falls Drive in Nampa.

I'll just come right out and say this is not a good idea.

I realize there will be some single family homes, but most will be multifamily.

The single family homes will bring in tax revenue, which Napa needs desperately, but the multifamily units will do nothing but inundate us with more people using more water, which is something we don't always have, an abundance of, as this mountain homes previous issue.

Water is extremely necessary, especially for farmers whose sustainability very much depends on it.

We must careful, we must be careful about water usage.

I don't want to see what happens in California in the 70s happen again here.

This will also cause more traffic on low cost, Happy Valley, Robinson, and Greenhurst roads, all which already have heavy traffic.

Making a left-hand turn on low custom for us, for example, in the morning and late afternoon hours from people driving to and from work is already dangerous and will be more of an irritating hazard.

It already is, especially on Happy Valley.

And then there's the railroad tracks on Happy Valley, and we've discussed that.

Then to get to the area for that reason, if if there's an accident, that's going to cause more, could cause more an emergency from a home would hold up the emergency personnel, as we stated.

The orchard acre subdivision just looks like an enormous amount of residences.

My husband and I don't like how close they would be to us.

We bought our house in May 2024 because it was a small neighborhood with houses, not multifamily units moving right next to us.

Had we known that, we would never have moved to Terrace Falls.

I also question if trilogy development looked into whether the schools would be able to hand the influx of new students who would reside there with all the houses being built along Happy Valley and Amity Roads.

How could there possibly be room?

Also at the December 9th planning meeting, the applicants spoke on building commercial structures along Happy Valley.

Not only are there restaurants, gas stations, stores, medical facilities, etc.

up Greenhurst on South Side, but also access in and out of any commercial property entity on Happy Valley would make the traffic and congestion much worse than it already is.

Again, please do not allow this huge subdivision to be built and be a menace and a continued and worse danger to drivers already affected by the current amount of traffic while trying to get in and out of their neighborhoods.

Instead, our focus should be on the quality of life here, which includes public safety and small infrastructure.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Noreen.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Brett Turner, and on deck is Mary Joe Antill and David Rubinstein.

All right, good evening.

My name is Brett Turner.

I live on 5387 East Victoria Falls Drive.

And Mayor and Council, uh, I am going to talk about that roundabout a little bit.

So my concern is that I read the uh contributions that the developer was going to help with from the zoning and planning meetings, kind of approval of the uh traffic impact study.

And the main things on there were the uh the turning lanes on Happy Valley, Greenhurst at the and Robison at the entry points there.

And I thought that was great, but the main the two main, the first two reasons why the planning and zoning committee denied uh it was because of the roundabout.

I didn't hear a lot talked about the roundabout until Councilman Bill said that maybe something's going on behind the scenes.

I just when I read that 333 packet report, I didn't find it.

Um so if that could be more visible, I'm super curious.

Um, because my idea would be to improve the roundabout to try to make it a two-lane roundabout, or at least having right hand or and uh turning lanes with merging, merging in, turning lane, merging back in off like Happy Valley onto Greenhurst.

You could do it on the south side.

The north side would be a little hard because you that um family's home is right there in that northeast corner.

Then you have that little uh pasture on the northwest corner.

But if you if you had feeders coming off Greenhurst into Happy Valley and Happy Valley onto Greenhurst, that would help that flow when that traffic stops, at least we can have some extra lanes that people could still a police car or a fire truck could still get around uh the roundabout if you improved it.

So my question is do you have any plans of upgrading the roundabout at Happy Valley in Greenhurst?

And I had another question too.

It was did the developer not purchase or plan to develop the land on the southeast corner of that roundabout at Happy Valley in Greenhurst to avoid having to deal with any issues with the roundabout.

I think about that sometimes, and but I'm not sure.

And there's the other intersection at Robinson.

Um I'm not sure my other question is would that overpass just go over the train tracks, or would it also go over Greenhurst?

Would there be on ramps and off ramps on that?

So those are my questions.

Um my final statement is I didn't see a timer going, so did I pass it?

40 seconds.

Okay.

I'm not against large-scale property development.

In fact, it's probably better than slowly piecemealing separate developments in the same area over the years.

But this property development and any other future property development just needs to have a better road system in that area to handle it.

And I think it would be great.

I think it would work out if if that roundabout was updated.

That's it.

All right, so thank you.

Mayor, can we ask Crystal to answer the gentleman's question?

Yes.

Yes.

So there's the over the overpass.

We will cover both railroad and greenhurst road.

Mayor, Councilman Bills, Crystal Craig, Director of Transportation for the Rec.

Uh the design for the overpass that we are doing right now means we would relocate Greenhurst further south, and it would be a roundabout at that location, and then it would be a um second roundabout on Greenhurst.

So we'd be taking one intersection, making it into two.

So it's not necessarily an overpass, but it would shift the entire intersection to the south to reduce that hazard.

But there when you leave that roundabout new roundabout on the south side, moving Greenhurst to the south.

Then there's from that intersection, there would be an overpass over the railroad tracks to the north.

Mayor, Councilman Bills.

So oh, you've got you have it.

Yeah, Mayor, Councilman Bills, sorry for the delay.

It took me a second to to get up.

This is just a preliminary drawing right now where we're only at around 30% design, but this is what we're looking at.

We do have an option for I'm gonna say the intersection on Robinson or on Greenhurst.

It could potentially also be a signal instead of a roundabout.

We're exploring both of those options.

So you're but what we're seeing there is is intersection, whether roundabout or lights is gonna move to the south.

This development is showing that in their set of side land, and the overpass is going over the railroad tracks.

That is correct.

Okay, just that way there's clarification for everybody here.

I quite follow up for Chris Law.

I I don't want to give the illusion that this is a funded project that's MARP pending.

Can you can you please solely in the can you speak just to the potential status?

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

Um, and and absolutely you are 100% correct.

Um thus far we have received two grants for this um in the tune of around two million dollars to do this portion of design.

We are currently planning to apply for the next phase, which would get us through final design and into construction, but all in this is around a 35 to 40 million dollar project in and of itself.

Um so we are actively working towards getting grant funds, and I think we've got good chances at it, obviously, but it is not funded through construction at this time.

Okay.

Yeah, 35 to 40 million in today's dollars.

Um it's probably only gonna go up by the time we already commence.

So okay.

All right.

I think they answer some.

What about the roundabout improvement?

I think is is this kind of set aside conceptual design?

The greenhair.

Yeah, like are there plans to improve that?

I don't can you or Daniel maybe speak briefly to that, and then we'll go to the next testifier.

Mayor, there are no current plans to improve that roundabout, expanding it to a two-lane.

All right.

All right, ma'am, you're next up.

My name is Mary Joe Antill.

I sorry, can you I just want to confirm.

Can you see the timer?

Yes.

Okay.

My name is Mary Jo Antill.

I live at 5417 East Terrace Falls Road.

Our court, sorry.

Please let me start by saying that I'm not against development of detached single family homes, which are low density.

Most of the land and homes in our area are large large lots of at least 12,000 square feet.

We do not live in an area where there are multifamily homes, rentals, condos, or town homes.

Also, the development across from us on locusts is Hayden Homes development, which is 216 homes.

Now they're um now with the proposed development, with most of the homes being high density, multifamily homes and commercial, which will take away from our mom and pop businesses in the area.

This master plan development will have a negative impact on the quality of life and the safety in our area.

Today we have only had three quarters of an inch of rain with no snow, as everybody knows.

We have already been told that the water supply is low in Nampa and not to use our city water to you to irrigate and water our lawns or plants once the water the irrigation water has been turned off.

And with the proposed development, where is this extra water going to come from?

I know that um it will impact our pressure and the water that we usually get.

Um we've already talked about the traffic in our area.

My only um thing that I like to say about that is left turn lanes are not going to help this congestion of traffic that travels on Happy Valley Road.

We were attack attracted to this area in Nampa because of the rural low density, large single family lots in our area.

If we wanted to live in a high density area with condos and apartments, townhouses, and commercial, we would have looked at a master plan community with the appropriate infrastructure.

I urge you to deny the proposed development as it is not appropriate at this time and location.

Thank you for your time.

Mayor Mayor Hogan.

Thanks, Mayor John.

Yeah, Councilman Aurillas.

I do want to clarification of your last name and your address.

Uh Mary Joe Antill, A N T L E.

And my address is 5417 East Terrace Falls Court.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um and I would like to ask a question from staff on the pressurized irrigation.

I I just I'm a stickler.

I I'm not trying to fact check.

I just don't want decisions to be made based on um statements uh made from the vegetables.

So there's a statement made about the city saying we don't have enough water or something like that to not use as much water.

I know that we proactively encourage good stewardship to not overuse on irrigation.

However, no, to not clarify to not use city water to irrigate.

Oh, sure, that's against that's against code.

Right.

Yeah, you're not supposed to use domestic water to water the water.

And once our irrigation water was turned off, it was early April, and they said that we should not water with um that with our new sod that we just had put in and gosh, I think that's helpful clarification.

Yes, it it is true that you're not supposed to use domestic water to to irrigate.

And I know when the irrigation season is short, which is something that we don't control.

Correct.

Um and there's concern about maintaining your landscape that it's it's a challenging situation, but you're not supposed to use domestic um water because that's pressure precious potable water not intended to water your lawns.

Uh staff providing a clarification.

Are we summarizing that correctly?

Mayor, you are correct.

The the systems are separate.

The domestic system is not sized such to handle uh the demands that the irrigation system has.

The by approving or or adding properties as residential rather than farm ground.

Um the that does not necessarily reduce the length of the irrigation season.

The irrigation season is truly dictated by what the weather does.

Acts of God.

Yep.

Yes, yeah.

Um in demand and usage, so legitimate concern.

Okay, thank you.

Um do you want to give who's on deck two or three, just so we can explain it.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is David Rubinstein, and on deck is Linda Steele and Bob's son.

Hello, sir.

Good evening.

Yes, good evening, Mayor.

City Council.

Uh I want to say that I think that there are a lot of issues that are not adequately.

Mr.

Mayor's address, sir.

I'm sorry.

Excuse me.

3265 South Fork Avenue, NAMPA.

Okay, thank you.

Now the clock will start.

You're good.

All right.

Uh I don't believe, well, the uh applicant has said that they uh foresee possibly allocating a section of land to the construction of a overpass to alleviate the situation with the um the rail line.

That does not sound to me like they're really uh doing enough.

Uh what we're looking at is a situation where a lot of things would be triggered to need to be constructed, and presumably on the back of the taxpayers locally, that normally would have taken you know many years or decades before they would be needed.

Suddenly many things would be triggered.

Another one of them would be, of course, uh the elementary school.

I happen to know, my daughter goes to Ronald Reagan elementary, that it's already either at capacity or near that.

I would say that with 1400 units you're looking at, certainly a few hundred more elementary school students.

I don't think that uh it would be possible for them to be accommodated at uh Ronald Reagan elementary.

Um I guess what I would like to say in the interest of uh keeping it brief is that this development as proposed is not appropriate for an area that has almost entirely single family detached residential.

It's a quiet, peaceful lifestyle that many of us spent our lives planning for and trying to achieve.

Many of us who live here have achieved that now.

And I feel that it would be an injustice to all of us to have to have a development of this kind of congestion, this kind of density plop down.

One last point, Osborne Park, the even the applicant said that they anticipate people using Osborne Park.

It's not capable of handling that kind of an influx.

Another point about Osborne is um because it's not on a main boulevard, police do not routinely pass by it.

In the event, likely event in my view, of increased amounts of inappropriate activities possibly occurring in the park at night or whatever.

The police do not routinely patrol nearby there.

And what about the parking in our neighborhoods adjacent to Osborne Park?

So there are so many questions that are not being addressed by the applicant.

So I uh strenuously advocate against this project being approved.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Mr.

Rubensteen.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Linda Steele, and on deck is Bob Sun and Pat Langdon.

Before we start my time, let me give my name and address first.

Linda Steele, 1219 South Spring Valley Drive in Tampa.

Um just so you're aware, just so council's aware, and Mr.

Mayor, um uh this is not my speech.

I did not write it.

It's um uh a uh neighbor and a citizen who lives in that area, but it's a six-minute speech.

So we spoke to city clerk's office and they said split it up three and three.

First thing I want to tell you, um I I totally destroyed my speech based on trying to be respectful here.

But I would like you to know that you will be getting a petition that's got over 125 signatures on it against the the proposed uh plan.

I'm asking you, I urge you please to deny this proposed project.

Um I'm sorry.

Uh let me state that creating this project could create further damage to an area that's already overburdened with traffic, can just congestion, incomplete infrastructure, and more importantly, dangerously decreasing response time for all emergency services.

Can we put that first document up on the screen?

I want you to see fire station two and the number of calls that they get versus the other.

Um I'm gonna skip over the four reasons that were denied at planning and zoning, so we don't have to go over that.

Um see at the top, see engine two.

Okay.

If you'll change it to the next one.

This next slide that I'm providing you shows we got this from the fire department, shows that during the month of December 2025, engine number two was unavailable for 24 calls in one month, almost one a day.

Let's not minimize the safety of our citizens by putting in smaller fire departments, whatever, just so that we can get by.

These are people's lives that are at stake.

I'm asking you to please consider that strongly.

Um there was a citizen at the planning commission office or meeting that uh testified it took 35 minutes for a police officer to arrive at her home for an intruder call.

She's got somebody breaking in her house, she's home, and it took the police officer 35 minutes.

Think about that.

Okay.

The police officer apologized all over the place, saying it was traffic.

Couldn't get there because of traffic.

That should never happen to any of us.

Okay.

Um, we've been told that there's been a traffic study done.

Crystal, I love you dearly.

But traffic studies are not an exact science.

You and I have talked about that.

If you want an accurate TIS, ask all the people that signed the petition.

Hundred and twenty-five plus people.

They live it, twenty-four seven.

They will be the most accurate TIS you will have.

And for the record, Planning Commissioners also stated how bad the traffic was because they too live like that every single day.

Hold on, real quick.

Just I'm gonna apologize.

I I need to use the restroom.

Uh but I'm not seeing so um Council President Bills will chair um I'll hold it.

No, no, good.

Like I um less legal to you.

Is it easier to just call a quick break?

I'll just do a quick three minute break.

Sorry.

All right, I'm gonna call council members back.

I if they can hear me.

I'm sorry, I'm responsible for the break and trying to round everyone back up.

Yeah.

Sure.

Like there was like a handful of people who just look at this.

But maybe the clerk can at least say what the next three people are.

Oh everyone's got a copy.

Everyone got a copy.

All yours.

All right.

Um are we are we good back on the live stream?

Okay.

All right.

Uh the meeting is called back in order.

We're gonna resume with the test with um the next testifier.

So you know the drill.

Yep.

Name address, and then we'll start the clock.

My name is Bob Sohn and 5401 East Terrace Falls Court.

Um we're gonna talk about a few things, but that's a very unique area.

Everybody's talking about the train at Happy Valley.

You gotta understand that that area gets trapped by the train two directions, north and east.

And you gotta realize also in a 24-hour period, those roads are blocked for over two hours a day.

So a lot to a lot to really handle there.

Um and there's talk about the overpass.

That overpass is years and years away, and 35 million dollars apparently.

Um but speaking on the infrastructure, and everybody's concentrating on the happy valley roundabout.

It is bad.

It's already been deemed by city.

There's not a lot they can do with it due to the closeness of the railroad tracks.

But what about Happy Valley?

Happy Valley is the bloodline for everybody down in that area to get to the 84 West.

Without Happy Valley, you're putting 35,000 cars through the middle of downtown to get to North Side.

So what's it take to widen Happy Valley besides an act of God?

You've already you've already developed KB homes, Trasidio, Lenar, CBH, Hayden homes, all along Happy Valley now.

They're still building out.

There's still a thousand cars coming in to the area that you've already approved.

So in order to do anything with Happy Valley, from what I see from a construction standpoint, there's it is four and a half miles from locust to the freeway, by the way.

You're gonna have to move Idaho power lines all the way up.

On top of that, there's a gas line in the shoulder all the way up.

That's a truck wrap.

That's gonna either have to be encased, moved, whatever.

You are talking about millions of millions of dollars to improve Happy Valley.

The only way to improve it is to maintain it.

Control the traffic that's on it.

Um you got along Happy Valley, where this project is, you got 138 KV transmission lines.

I've talked to Idaho Power.

You're not doing anything with them.

They're never gonna move.

They're only 11 years old, by the way.

And on top of that, if you improve Happy Valley, you're talking about doing one roundabout, you're gonna have to do three roundabouts.

Um the people that have signed this petition.

125 all feel that their quality of life will be jeopardized by the sheer size of this project.

Um we ask you to deny it.

And I personally feel that this proposal is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

They are showing you uh how pretty it is, they're not showing you how ugly it's gonna get.

Thank you.

Um I had a quick question about the prior testifier.

There was an exhibit that was presented um about fire response.

Can can do you have any comment to corroborate?

I I I know I I just again, I just want to make sure that so what she showed you is from our December commissioners meeting.

Yep.

Um, which we all always work on our numbers for the commissioners that we have.

And what's that is showing is that uh at 24 different times in the month of December, Station 2 was either on another call responding within either their district or at training.

And so therefore, like if they were at training, they're out of service at training and then engine one or engine five would be covering them in that route.

So it's not that they weren't available, it's that they were already either in service training, but it would re-there are to her point.

It could create a longer response time.

Can you just can you confirm that this exhibit that was placed on was was this a creation from from her or was this a graph that you provided?

I just want to make sure that's the record.

Um Chief King is our operations um chief, and that is created by him through again some of that dark horse software.

Um where those numbers come from.

I just want to make sure that's the record um Chief King is our operations um chief and that is created by him through again some of that dark horse software um where those numbers come from so that's that is our our document so engine two is engine two consistently the highest call volume already yes engine two is consistently your highest used and utilized engine company thank you one other quick clarifying question are our impact fees being collected on the next station and is that next station already identified within a certain zone we do not have impact fees being collected right now we have areas that are pinpointed for a potential station but we we don't have land or anything like that in those areas I I just want clarification so it would it wouldn't if permits if this were to go through were being paid there aren't impact fees currently identified in the CIP for the next fire station sorry there are sorry okay okay but the location of the next fire station is still to be determined yes mayor correct gotcha okay thank you thank you um all right who's next Mr.

Mayor our next speaker is Pat Langdon and on deck is David Flemings and Ray Booz Hello sir evening Mayor and City Council uh Pat Langdon 5718 East Amity Avenue um I'm here kind of on behalf of the as a farmer rancher we farm uh family farm in this area and it's getting more and more difficult to do business in this particular area for us as well um getting machinery in and out safely um we all know that traffic's um chaotic you know I can't even get my driveway sometimes because I live on Amity but getting a piece of equipment out on the road that rolls 10 miles an hour I can get why uh these folks probably want to vacate you know so um infrastructure wise maybe there should be some room for the road improvements in this area too as well is probably my uh suggestion too but um I don't think you can stop the development of this valley it's growing everybody wants to move here um we're red state people are coming in in droves from everywhere you know so how city of Napa chooses to deal with it um I'll leave that kind of that up to you guys thank you thank you Patre Mayor our next speaker is David Flemings and on deck is Ray Booz and Mandy George Hello sir Dave Flemings address is 5418 East Victoria Falls Drive so I had all these prepared comments that I just throwing out because you've heard most of those before but there are a few important things that I wanted to kind of touch on.

So one of the things that we haven't addressed here is the commercial aspect of this thing.

We've got some unidentified commercial uses potential on here's talked about traffic impacts and and what's there now and the fact we only have single roundabouts everything else for commercial to survive which this commercial's in phase one of this development they're gonna have to draw more folks in you're not going to survive off of a hundred new houses in the subdivision on it.

So that's going to make those impacts worse and we haven't even identified what those are yet um my biggest concern one of them was the traffic study um some folks have kind of mentioned the fact that we didn't get to see it um it wasn't done at planning commission on it but it does look like the only impacts they've identified are the impacts going in and out of this project it doesn't address what happens to this traffic when it leaves here what happens when it goes down greenhurst towards 12th what happens when it goes up Happy Valley if we put a roundabout or a overpass at Robinson which's a big if where's the traffic gonna go one of the things they've got is a right turn lane at Robinson and Greenhurst nobody goes that direction there's no reason to go that direction currently out there so um we think there's some big holes in that we should that should be looked at um certainly concerned with the increased staff where you look at police and fire on it um they can build a fire station but that's an ongoing city cost to man that um equipment staff all of those things increased police presence things like that so some of those things are are things that haven't really been addressed with it.

We don't have city budget currently to support those kind of improvements and that kind of increased staff so I don't know where that's coming from the other thing to point out is the location that we're identifying for a fire station isn't the very last phase of this project on it.

They don't intend to do the infrastructure until the very end of this thing.

The city currently has places in town that they've planned for this.

We've got areas up in the north end of town that the city's done a great job of putting in wider roads, bigger cul-de-sacks, preparing for high density development on it.

Those are great places for it.

We don't have the infrastructure, and it won't be here for years.

So very conceptual design.

I urge you to deny the project.

Just there's just too many questions.

You guys have raised some great ones.

So I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Florines.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Ray Booz, and on deck is Mandy George and Chris Devon.

Hello, my name is Ray Booze, 2017 South Secretary, right here in Nampa.

I live just off of the Happy Valley roundabout to the west of it.

So I'm real familiar with that area, and I'm not going to go over that because we've all talked about this.

I was here at the planning and zoning meeting that denied uh this particular uh project at the time, and you all saw the reasons for denial up there.

Uh what I see here, they're willing to um donate land for a fire station.

Well, that's great, but who's gonna pay for it?

It's gonna be the taxpayers.

It's gonna be this, you know, uh people and the water issue also brought up.

Um when I first moved here about five years ago, uh the sewer and water was pretty reasonable.

Water still is.

Um my last bill, I think was $26, but the sewer went up to 95.

And I can just see uh things going higher and higher as far as far as uh costs on those kinds of things.

Uh one of the things that really bothers me about um building of this magnitude is the amount of noise that gets involved.

What's uh I'd like to touch on is that this is basically this development is just diagonal caddy corner from the development that's already been approved and under construction now off of Hafee Valley between the tracks and Amity.

And you can see the houses that are being built there on 6,000 foot um uh uh lots, and they're like you can jump from roof to roof.

Uh when I see, and there's approximately 261 lots in that area that are gonna be on four or four thousand foot lots, and this particular uh uh development uh has a little over 700 uh residences, including 13 acres of apartments.

Now, this is gonna be twice that over 1,400 residences.

So when you start multiplying the amount of people, and everyone makes a little bit of noise, but when I moved up here, um I experienced from Southern California what I call the inner city hum, the buzz.

It never gets quiet.

It's quiet now where we are, but it's not going to be once uh this development off of Happy Valley gets built out.

If this gets built out anywhere to where uh they're asking for it's you're bringing inner city congestion and noise to outlaying areas, and that's just um a negative uh to um quality of life.

I I see the landowner has his issue, he can't do what he wants to do anymore.

Um, and I feel for that, but this is the wrong kind of development in the wrong place too much uh high high density stuff.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you, Mr.

Booz.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Mandy George, and on deck is Chris Devan and Hubert Osborne.

My name is Mandy George.

I live at 4648 East Thomas Mill Drive.

I want to point out that at the planning and zoning meeting, um a comment was made that the faster that people buy these homes, the faster the develop will happen.

She did a great job of explaining tonight how this will be over multiple years.

That comment was completely left out of that statement.

And we all know how desirable it is to live in Nampa right now.

It's gonna go fast.

They're gonna develop it faster.

So this is not gonna just be a slow project.

It's like they're projecting.

It will go fast.

Um I also wanted to point out that we know that growth is inevitable.

The biggest issue though is we need to do something about these roads.

Right now, they're adding, they're potentially adding around 3,500 cars to that area.

It's already a uh mitigated disaster, I think is what Jim Kirkman called it from planning and zoning.

An overpass at Robinson Road in Greenhurst will only help the flow of traffic north and south on Robinson.

Greenhurst is landlocked by the train tracks and private property that will make it difficult to widen really any part of that road.

It's great that they're saying that they're gonna that they support um the overpass at Robinson and Greenhurst.

That was in the development well before she said anything about that.

That's five years out, according to the Nampa Irea District, and it's saying that they also get the approval for all of that as well.

We also need a roundabout at Locust and Happy Valley.

That corner is an absolute disaster if you haven't been there.

And then not to beat a dead horse, but without intermittent domain and massive funding, there's nothing that the city can do at the Happy Valley Road Crossing, which is the primary entrance for their most um the most the heaviest density that they're talking about for this.

So I'm begging you, please say no.

This is a absolute disaster.

They're their terming lanes are not gonna help with any of this.

It might help a little bit with the traffic that they've already created.

They will do nothing for what's the disaster that's already there.

Thank you.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Chris DeBon, and on deck is Hubert Osborne and Justin Bettos.

Hello, sir.

Hello.

Chris Devin, 4507 East Locust Lane.

Um just want to say that most of it's uh what I was gonna say has already been said.

Um I've lived there for 30 years.

Uh my commute to work is about 13 and a half miles.

It has gone from about 10 minutes to almost 30 already with the subdivisions that are already there.

The roads uh are just they're too small to handle the amount of traffic that's on them.

Um I just and the rest of it, the water and everything else.

I just wanted to say, but that's most of it's already been said, so I just want to thank you.

Please vote no.

Thank you very much.

Mayor?

Yes, sir.

If I could, just for council members, sorry.

That's fine.

Uh I have I received a correspondence from the Nampa School District.

Would I be able to read that into the record?

Wait till after public testimony or mayor, at this point, um, if it's germane to the uh points being made here, it may be helpful.

Um you could wait to after a public hearing though.

I'll defer to you on that.

If it if it's possibly germane to what the public testimony might be, then I'm okay with I I think it might be because schools have already been mentioned in the testimonies and potentially could be mentioned again.

Uh I received correspondence from Courtney Stauffer, who's the deputy superintendent for the Nampa School District.

He stated currently we have about 0.36 students per house built in our zone go into K through 12 schools.

252 to 340 new students would be awesome for us to have.

We do have space across K through 12 for those numbers.

We are down in student enrollment the past two years since closing schools, which we predicted.

So we have space now more than ever.

I just wanted to be sure I wasn't the only one that had the opportunity of seeing that or for public testimony.

Okay, thank you.

Um is that satisfying?

Just being brought into the record.

That's no, uh, the nature of it, and that that'd be satisfactory.

Okay, very good.

Mr.

Osborne, how are you this evening?

Present and accounted for Mayor.

Hubert Osborne, 4199 East Switzerway.

I would first like to throw a compliment to those I developers for recognizing the pedestrians, other than just the traffic.

I if you haven't lived under a rock, you know that Caldwell is having a problem with students being hit by cars.

And if you've ever been to that intersection at 7:30 in the morning, I would hate you play dodge them getting from either way from Vineyard Point to the new development or the other way.

And if the if they're willing to uh fix that, more power to them.

I also would like to compliment the fire department and their negotiations with them.

It would make a great uh addition to the area.

Southeast Nampa is at the end of the line for all of our emergency services.

So uh anything that could be done would help.

I have uh a couple of things that I think are fairly important.

It's stated that City Sewer does not have adequate capacity for the entire development.

Are you going to approve all of this and just hope you get the sewer capacity fixed?

You're looking at uh impact fees, hookup fees, and probably increased sewer charges to make any meaningful change.

Is that a good idea to approve this entire development based on hopes?

Well, the considerable impact fees and hookup fees.

Couldn't can we guarantee that they would be used in this area?

Or council decide to fix up the Eustach corridor where all the money seems to be going now.

You have these decisions to make, and uh I am not in favor of the multi-unit housing development in there, but otherwise, this may be something that is coming and may and with uh allowance of kids to use their swimming pools, might be a good place to live.

So as it is proposed, no, but it could be modified.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Osborne.

Mr.

Mayor, our next speaker is Justin Vitoes.

Good evening, sir.

Name and address.

Uh Justin Vitos, 3503 South McDermott Road.

I live actually on the other side of the track on McDermott Road, and we run from Columbia all the way around the Greenhurst Road to the tracks.

The traffic out there is atrocious.

The trains come in, and I live there, so I mean, I've seen the road being blocked for up to four hours by the trains.

The traffic when that happens, turns around and comes up McDermott Road, and they'll do the same thing on the other side.

In order to get across the track, you're gonna have to go all the way down to Amity and go across.

And that is this is doesn't make any sense to put that many homes out there in all of that.

And by the way, the farmer should be able to space spray his pesticides.

You can't buy the other buildings that they've built out there.

But if you've been out in that country, there's nothing but field on Greenhurst.

So he can still he just got done planting it.

So he's still farming it today.

But we don't need the traffic, we don't need a headache that this is going to involve with all the extra people that are gonna come in, and like I say, they're kind of landlocked because of the railroad track, and until the overpass supposedly goes in, where's all that traffic going?

They don't show on that, they showed Happy Valley, but they didn't show Robinson Road.

So my question to you guys is is where's the traffic going?

What are we gonna do with all the kids?

Supposedly the school district by Mr.

Griffin said that they had room.

I have my son and my daughter-in-law both teach.

They've got 30 kids in their classes.

So exactly where is the room coming from?

You have to assume that these houses are gonna have some children in them, probably at least two.

So you got traffic, you got children, you got school buses that get stuck in the the roundabout, like uh Mr.

Bill said on Happy Valley is great when the train comes through because you can't go east or west either.

You just sit in traffic for hours, and that's my biggest concern is just all the new traffic that's gonna come in.

What are we gonna do with it?

So, with that, thank you very much.

Thank you, sir.

Mr.

Mayor, we do have another advanced sign-up, and that was Kim Taylor.

Then after Kim, this is the last advanced sign-up.

Um, if if you did not sign up and you intended to speak, that there'd be opportunity um to testify.

So uh good evening.

How are you?

Hi, how are you?

Um my name is Kim Taylor.

My address is 3169 South Clearwater Avenue in Nampa.

Um I prepared this in advance, and so I am probably gonna jump around so I don't repeat anything.

Um I I just wanted to to really quickly touch on the school district saying that they have room.

Um I'm curious which elementary and and and which schools they are referring to and what part of NAMPA that is, because the information I've received from not only my children's school but other schools that are in in this side of the district and zoned, um, that they are above capacity.

So that's just something I would like to bring up for future um research.

Um let's see.

Okay, um, like I said, I prepared this, so I'm trying not to be repetitive.

Um a big thing that I want to bring up is the fact that our children they gather along Happy Valley outside their neighborhoods on a daily basis to wait for the school bus.

Uh additional traffic exposes our children to higher risk of bodily injury or accident.

Um if an already busy road becomes a high volume main road, um and moreover, the high density population, uh this would this project would bring possesses a serious risk, overcrowded strains, public services like schools, parks, emergency responses, and potentially leads to longer wait times and diminished resources for all.

Uh we chose this community for its balance and not to become another anonymous high-rise suburban.

Um something else I wanted to bring up during the development phase, road closures and construction disrupts or disruptions would create daily inconveniences that disrupt our routines.

Detours, noise, and limited access isolates parts of neighborhoods, making simple tasks like grocery shopping or emergency travel hazardous and time consuming.

Um they close down a portion of Happy Valley, uh, either on the north side of the tracks or on the south side.

And last year, actually, the detour went right right in front of my house, and it was not safe for my kids to play outside because the the volume of traffic, and I know that I can speak for everyone that lives in these neighborhoods.

Um, not only is it an in an inconvenience, but it's a safety hazard.

Um, this development threatens to destroy our small community culture.

That makes our area special.

Our tight-knit neighborhoods, local events, and sense of belonging would be eroded by impersonal high-density living, turning us into another extension of an urban sprawl.

We value our peaceful community-oriented lifestyle.

Let's preserve it.

Um, in conclusion, I urge you to reject this proposal.

Consider the long-term impacts on our residentials or on our residents rather than the fleeting benefits.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Yes, uh, Councilman Rodriguez.

Sir, can you turn your mic on, Councilman Maria's?

There you go.

All right.

Thank you.

I'm just gonna ask you one quick question because I'm curious.

Where do you go shopping at?

Uh I go shopping at Winco.

Oh.

Like grocery shopping?

Yes.

Winco on Happy Valley and Garrety.

Because you're all so far out there.

I thought maybe you might go to CUNA or Meridian.

No.

No.

No.

No, no.

Yeah.

Thank you.

This is Costco.

Okay.

Thank you, Mayor.

That was that was an emphatic answer.

We all could.

All right.

So at this point, um, can the clerk can you confirm that all advanced signups have been so um?

Okay.

So at this point, if you're lined up, um you you'll be given an opportunity to speak.

Um you'll give your name and address, and we'll we'll capture that and then the clock will start.

So hi, sir.

How are you?

Thank you, Mayor.

Hogamum and Council members.

My name is Greg Bullock.

I live at 504 Bay Hill Drive in Nampa.

Uh I did submit a written testimony because uh it was too long to read here.

I only have three minutes, but I'm I hope that you had a chance to read that.

Uh, really spoke from my heart in regards to who Nampa is, what it has been, and I have built and developed here in Nampa since the early 90s, and um love this.

It's my home, it's my place, it's Idaho.

And so the project will speak for itself, and you're aware of the desire for the city to have planned communities.

This is a wonderful planned community.

It's a great asset to NAMPA, much like Hunter's Point has been, which is now Red Hawk, much like Steel Falls to the north, much like the deer flat development of the Ketos.

And this is another marquee, one of those projects that we will be proud of for years to come, just as we are some of those that I've already mentioned.

But the project speaks for itself.

I really want to talk about people tonight, as I did in my written testimony.

The Hendricksons are behind me, and they're gonna testify tonight about the impact of terrace falls on them and their farming ability.

And so I won't take any time.

I'll let them address that, but it has impacted their lives.

Now we all know that this is going to be developed.

And so my main comment tonight is do we want to see 20 and 30 and 40 acre parcels brought into the city with subdivisions as you go through these 260 plus acres?

Or do we want to really put together a marquee development where it's big enough to where the development developer has the ability to actually donate five acres of right-of-way to do a future overpass, which then ties into highway 16, which then ties in to the main north south corridor?

So that's what we're looking at when you do a big project.

It impacts everyone around, and I appreciate these testimonies.

These are NAMPans, and there's liked and loved as anybody else, because that's who we are.

We accept people, we take them in.

We've done this our whole lives, we built good projects, and we've welcomed people.

Um the Henricksons are a wonderful family.

They farmed here for over 50 years, they've raised their family here.

They are NAMPA.

These are the people that I want to speak on in behalf.

People who've made NAMPA what it is, and people who have made this a place worth saving, and I appreciate that campaign cliche because I love NAMPA and Councilman Rodriguez, you are right.

It's a place worth saving, but we do that with our people.

Okay.

And these are good people, and they've been impacted, and now we're gonna determine their future.

Will it be the ability to sell 20 acre parcels, 50 acre parcels, we're bringing in subdivisions?

It's gonna be developed.

Let's do a good project.

Let's award people who have made NAMPA what it is to sell their whole land, move out south, and do what they like to do further out.

And so that's that's a part of what's at stake here tonight.

Corey Barn is a great history.

Pardon me?

That's time.

You can finish your sentence.

Wow.

I know.

Please read my letter.

I would appreciate that.

Um the completion of my sentence is organized opposition is here.

We laughed earlier about that.

But um there's a lifeboat philosophy.

I have what I want.

Now there's no room for anybody else, and that's not NAMPA.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

All right.

Next up.

How are you, ma'am?

Hello.

We're coming up together.

So we claim six minutes.

You'll have to you'll have to split that though.

So three and three.

Exactly.

I know I'm sorry, I'm a rule follower, as you can probably tell from tonight.

But uh, if you say your name and address, you'll have to.

Okay, I'm I'm Terry, and this is Kathy Hendrickson.

We are the owners of the property, and we appreciate uh a chance to tell our story if you would like to hear it.

That's our home.

Fifty of our 50-year four-year marriage has been spent there.

Our grandkids have their first jobs there, our kids had their first jobs and they worked much harder than the grandkids.

We have two great grandkids now.

This is breaking our hearts.

Points.

Real cool, no questions necessary.

Farmers get to retire.

There's small print at the bottom of the Right to Farm Act.

It says we are liable for our practices and our products.

We have had people come out with cameras.

From Vineyard Point, we've been threatened.

I've got a strip of land that comes down to Vineyard Point, and I've had people drive out of Vineyard Point, get out, and stand on the end of my field with cameras.

He started.

We'll shake you up.

From that point on, every time I went to that field, not using restricted use pesticide, just 24 D.

Okay, so I have to arm myself.

Because they scared me to death.

And that's why we were here four years ago saying there's a problem with you leapfrogging that subdivision right in the middle of our farm.

I have to I I put on 50 to 70,000 worth of restricted use pesticides.

I have my tank, there's up to eight chemicals going there at one time.

That stuff is deadly.

And if I go out there and spray and somebody's 15-year-old dog dies, I'm gonna be blamed.

There's attorneys out there that are just willing to just jump on me and sue me for the what wealth of my farm.

We decided to give up because we could lose our farm if we tried to continue farming with the way we do it.

And we are seed farmers, we're not beet.

You can get by with uh with field corn, no spraying, sugar beets, but even wheat and barley, you've got to spray for Russian wheat aphid.

But vegetable seed, I have to spray it up to 12, 13 times a year.

I'm out there for three months trying to keep the bugs out of it, and we have to saturate it because we have bugs in the whirl of onions and carrot seed is uh big um laggus bugs, they're extremely hard to kill.

And then mites.

Mites dry the crop up, and then we have to spray for white mold.

It's it's difficult.

You have to be real particular, or you don't get paid for the crop.

And that's my situation.

But she's got a little story here.

I'm gonna let her just read it.

To you, the council members and the mayor, and to all our crappy neighbors, and to our home.

I'm I'm point of order.

Um I can't talk to them.

I'm so sorry.

We have to have you in the we have to have you in the microphone.

Yes, so people that are live streaming can hear you.

Of course, of course.

I'm sorry.

This is not something I do daily.

In 1917, our grandfather, CC Hendrickson, cleared sagebrush for his homestead a half mile south of our farm.

Henrickson roots are deep.

Terry is third generation, along with four of his brothers.

Our son is fourth generation.

His sons are fifth generation.

We do have two little sixth group generations.

In 1974, we started our farm purchasing 260 acres over the years to complete an operation large enough to support three families.

These one acre to 40 acre pieces were joined by clearing fences, leveling fills, drilling wells, pouring ditches, and removing four homes and farmsteads to a fit effectively farm the land.

We were doing the opposite, taking small pieces and making it big.

We specialized in vegetable seed, a type of farming highly specific and detailed.

Terry established many record yields in seed crops such as corn seed, carrot seed beans, peas, and onion seed.

You have had a chance to read our letter.

It details the specifics needed to raise pure high germinating seed to feed the world.

The terrace falls subdivision has created new challenges.

This has nothing to do with the people that live there.

By law, many of the products we use to grow these beautiful crops are illegal to use across the fence from residential living.

Are we currently falling farming?

Yes, we are, but we are liable.

Okay.

We're not farming those crops.

I mean, we've had to take those crops out of rotation.

On them, less than that.

We were getting $5 a bushel for wheat in 1973.

Now we're getting 425.

How do we buy a tractor back then that costs 12, 14,000, pay 200 for it?

Fertilizers up eight to ten times.

There's no way we could we can continue if we can't grow those crops, and we can't.

We are being surrounded by housing.

The highway 16 overpass will soon take another corner of the farm.

That uh that slide that was shown, that's a big chunk out of the corner of our farm.

Um, this will separate us from safe access to parts of our land, the need to move equipment, some the width of 20 feet is a present danger to other motorists.

The age old problem of matching residential to farm.

We understand.

We understand our neighbors because we were here four years ago in their shoes.

We had no choice but to sell, and it's only one piece we've sold.

The rest of this is maybe, right?

And we have to start to unravel the operation.

My husband and I started 52 years ago, and we were 25 and 21 years old.

We thought we could do anything, and we did.

Ma'am, uh, are you able to conclude your comments?

Uh I don't know how much more until you have that.

We extended your time.

Our sons are currently evaluating what it would take to re-establish his occupation with his sons.

We feel the highest and best use of this land is now.

Unfortunately, instead of feeding America, is now to grow families in our beautiful community.

Thank you.

Yeah, question.

Um Stanford questions.

Yeah, Councilman Griffin.

Just for clarification, the boundary in which this development's being proposed, that is or is not your property any longer.

One one out of four phases.

Okay.

So the the way that the sale goes is you sell as it develops.

It's not all sold and paid for at this point.

No, it's not, no, it's it's we will be about 85 and 80.

Not tomorrow, but the end of this.

In 45 years, you'll be so we were hoping to re tire by then.

Okay.

The the property to the uh West, is that still owned by you as well, or is that a different property owner?

Sold off.

Okay, so but that's not part of this development.

It's sold off to somebody else.

No, no, that's yeah, that's part of this development.

Yeah.

The western portion of the city.

You're talking about what's within the blue, or I think the southern part might be what comes to the city.

There's a little jog off a happy valley that belongs to us in answer to someone else's question.

The reason it's sold up to the school, and a line that's down and it and it hits the corner of Terrace Falls.

Just barely touch the corner of it there.

The south, the southwest portion, though, the dirt outside of the blue boundary, the southwest portion.

Is that owned by you or somebody else?

That's my brother's.

And he's not selling.

They're not selling because it's services.

We we don't know why.

Well, it's not our business why.

They're retired now.

They're they're leaving.

Can you speak into the mic, please?

The water tax can be speaking with those.

Thank you.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Okay.

They're retired, and they're leasing it out to a beet farmer that doesn't have spray chemicals, but they're getting 180 dollars an acre, and the cost of water and taxes and insurance is about 12.

Thank you.

I think that's all.

Yeah, I have a I have a question.

I I vaguely remember um your presence when the when the were you present when the Terrace Falls subdivision was before the city council.

I was here at every meeting.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Um, yes, and I and I and I vaguely recollect, I think you saying that the approval of that was going to create a cascading effect.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I we lost we all we lost our seed farm when that was approved.

We we couldn't go near a commitment.

Yeah, I was 90% sure it was you like four years ago, five years ago.

Four years ago.

Sure.

I was 90% sure.

So I was not on city council at the time.

I was chief of staff, so I was sitting on the side over there.

But um, but yeah, I remember that.

So okay.

Mayor, just one last follow-up.

The state has legislation that doesn't allow you to spray certain spray, or the clause at the very end is what keeps you from spraying that certain spray.

We are voluntarily become being good neighbors.

Thank you.

We are avoiding liability.

We own the land, and if I go out there and oh we're a landowner, I'm not a renter somewhere that's you know, sneaking chemical in on on a field.

I we have we have to post, we have to post the fields with what we're with or doing it.

It's all kept track of by the Department of Agriculture.

We have to keep a log.

As time goes on, they're getting tighter and tighter and tighter on using these.

Now they that you gotta have everything locked in a specific place.

They audit our records of what we put on each field every year to account for what we have bought.

It's gotten real as when I first started farming.

You didn't have to light have a license.

And then about 1980, you had to get a license, it was open book, no big deal.

And then as time has gone on, it's gotten tighter and tighter fines.

And if somebody if something happens that I get a and I get a fine over something that I did wrong, then I'm liable to be sued.

And it's it's we're not gonna lose the farm because we can't well, we're gonna try to illegally spray or spray and take a chance, it's gonna drift in on them from even farther fields out, which has happened.

Does not belong on barbecue meat?

No, no.

And uh it's it's it's dangerous.

Thank you.

And I'm I'm not gonna take that chance.

Okay.

I can't take that chance.

Thank you.

Were there any other questions?

Mayor, I'm just wondering who did they did.

You guys own that land?

Who sold that land for that Terrace Falls?

Who sold what?

The Terrace Falls.

That was the Davenport.

That's the Davenport place.

Yes.