Okay.

Am I on?

Okay, I have six o'clock.

I'd like to welcome everyone to the April fourteenth, two thousand twenty six planning and zoning commission meeting for the city of Nampa.

Uh Madam Clerk, can we do a roll call, please?

Morgan.

Here.

Keyhoe.

Daffer.

Turner?

Here.

Miller.

Here.

Kirkman.

Here.

Copeland.

Here.

Garner.

Here.

Here.

Ain't present.

Thank you.

And the attorney.

Who's going to report on council action?

Rodney when he gets a second.

Okay.

Okay.

Daniel, I'll go take care of the business.

Sorry, Rodney.

Thank you.

For the record, Rodney Ashby, planning and zoning director.

We had quite a few public hearings that went before City Council this last week.

So I'll I'll start on those and we had one of them be continued.

So the first one was a variance to city code requiring that chain link cannot be used for a commercial development along North Side Boulevard.

As we expand the intersection there and the roadway, we're essentially relocating the sugar sugar beet factories chain link fence.

And so they needed a variance and and that was approved.

Vacation of right-of-way on East Flamingo Avenue through the St.

Alphonsus campus.

That was just they're they're planning on expanding the St.

Al's hospital, as you probably know.

And in order to do that, they need the uh vacation of some of the right of the way that was never really used.

Um the next one is a very and that one was approved as well.

The next one was a variance to side yard setbacks and rear setbacks and a vacation of a utility easement to allow a um uh a garage uh for an RV to be placed right on the property line.

This is at fifth 520 West Bahill Drive, and because of the lot shape and size and and how to get um parking there, uh the city council did approve that.

And then pre-annexation and pre-zoning.

Uh so we don't get many of these, but this one was uh northwest of the highway 2026 and Franklin Road.

Um, and this one was for um a commercial development to BC.

Eventually it will be BC zoning when it annexes, and 22,000 square feet of commercial building on 1.84 acres, and that one was approved that after your rec you recommended unanimously to approve that, and they did approve it.

Uh next one is annexation and preliminary plat for Hudson Yards to RS 7 uh zoning.

This is southeast of East Locust Lane and South Side Boulevard, and it's 59 single family detached residential dwelling units and six common lots on 21.51 acres.

Uh you recommended approval, and that one was approved as well unanimously.

Um the next one is an annexation and zoning to R D at 2102 South Midland Boulevard.

This one was for a future subdivision.

They wanted to first annex it in and then do the subdivision later.

And um if you did recommend uh approval of this one, and it was approved uh on a five to one vote, but it was reduced.

Um the number of lots were were reduced.

So the number of dwelling units total will only be eight instead of the 12 that they were able to do.

Um and then the last one was annexation and zoning to RMH and comprehensive plan text amendment to allow for Prescott Creek subdivision to go in.

And this is um 380 townhouses, 760 multifamily units in 24 in 24plex and 88plex buildings, and this one you had recommended an approval, but it was continued.

Um the applicant had requested it to be continued.

I'm just concerned about this situation of maybe having a 3-3 vote and not having anybody to tie or break the tie, and so that one is continued to July 20th, and I'll report back then on that one.

And that's all I have.

Hey, Rodney, the uh one that where it was reduced from 12 to 8.

Yeah, was that by the applicant or was that uh condition of approval?

It was a condition of approval, yeah.

They um in their in their narrative they asked for as many units as they could get.

Um the comp plan density would limit them to 12, but um city council just felt that it was necessary that they reduce it down to eight.

Okay, so thank you.

Chairman, yes.

I motion that we uh approve the consent agenda.

All those in favor?

Aye, any opposed.

Okay, motion carries uh so for our public hearings.

If if you're new to the public hearings, um I'll just kind of walk you through uh how they work.

So we will have seven minutes for the applicant to come up and speak and tell us what they want to do.

Um then we'll turn the time over to staff, let them tell us their findings of fact, and then we will open up the public testimony at which time everyone has the opportunity to speak for three minutes.

We'd ask when you come to the mic if you could please uh give us your name and address for the record and speak clearly into the mic.

And while others are at the mic, if you could please keep your conversations in the crowd to a very quiet or non-existent, just because this meeting is being recorded, and there are people online participating as well, and sometimes the conversations in the crowd come up louder than you would think over the internet.

So, and then on the recording as well.

So please respect those at the mic, and they will do the same for you.

So after public testimony, we'll have the applicant come back up for rebuttal and to answer questions.

We have five minutes to do that, and we will close the public hearing and uh deliberate and discuss amongst ourselves, and we will uh look for a motion and a decision on each item.

So with that being said, we'll go right into the first item 3-1, a conditional use permit for outdoor storage materials accessories to the primary use at zero east railroad street in the reflections edge development for Jeff Hatch representing Happy Valley Light Industrial LLC.

Mr.

Hatch.

Good evening.

Jeff Hatch with Hatch Design Architecture addresses 5119 Briar Crest Drive, Nappa, Idaho, 83686.

Good evening, Chair Miller and Commissioners.

Thank you for your consideration of our conditional use permit this evening.

Subject properties located on Happy Valley Road, and um the railroad street.

This would be uh just south of like Amity and Happy Valley.

And just before you get to Greenhurst and Happy Valley, um we have subdivisions to the north that are currently under construction.

We have some subdivisions to the south, but we are flanked with the railroad to our south and our west.

We have a uh electrical facility to the east of us, and then there's still some farmland kind of northeast.

It's a relatively small parcel up against the railroad tracks with roads, so we felt that this would be a good use for commercial development.

Uh we're proposing three flex buildings, and so these would have kind of a retail commercial uh presence, and then we're proposing um what we're here today for, which would be outdoor yards.

These yards would be similar to one that was passed a couple years ago off of North Side.

We have uh kind of semi and um commercial development, and then the corner of North Side and Broadmoor has a fenced-in area.

So, unlike storage where you're seeing RVs and campers and things, this would be business specific storage.

So if you have a contractor, subcontractor, thing of that nature, they're using this space for product versus storing recreational vehicles or anything of that nature.

Um working with design review and staff, we also have our landscaping plan, which is uh try and focus on some water wise planting features as well as accentuating our happy valley road.

Um in doing so, we looked at the different fencing options in the past that have been approved and kind of went back to that north side development since that had to have the contractor yard reviewed by design review.

And so in that particular case, we want the design review uh committee settled on an enhanced fence.

So this is a fence that has kind of a wood look piece to it and a wrought iron piece to it, and um uh essentially is nicer than you know if we went with just a traditional wood or obviously a uh chain link.

And then as far as the buildings, the buildings uh have been reviewed by design review and and approved as well.

But this is a sample of what those look like, and then this is a sample of that fence off of Northside, so it'd be a fence proposed similar to this particular existing fence.

So it would be a fence proposed similar to this particular existing fence.

And then as far as the sample board, which has also been reviewed by design review, we're utilizing different pre-finished metal panels for this project.

And some storefront windows.

Then here's a concept rendering from Happy Valley looking at the facility.

So this would be a view similar to what we just saw off of Northside.

The one thing on Northside is it's like grass and then some trees.

And so with that water wise planting, we wanted to make sure that we were giving it a little bit more vibrancy with some shrubs and then have the trees intermittently as well.

So trying to enhance uh the curb appeal and utilize some of the new code of NAMPA for having more drought resistant plantings.

So in review of the staff report and review of the CUP criteria, um, we feel and staff has reiterated that for this mixed use designated zoning that this is appropriate use.

Um I think our idea is is if you were to work uh here and be able to walk home to Reflection's Edge up the street, that would be pretty nice.

And especially being this far, you know, in some ways kind of on the periphery of town to have that opportunity to have this more pedestrian scale uh business structure is a little unique.

Um also feel it meets the goals and strategies of the economic development for this area.

The design and construction has uh been reviewed by design review and received approval.

We do have adequate capacity for sewer on water, and whatever we do on the site will be less of a nuisance than the railroad.

Then a train.

Oh yeah, going by every day.

Um we did have one condition of approval that we wanted to discuss with the commission today, which uh I I was a little uh caught off guard by this one, so I wanted to just run it by you.

We're asking uh the city has requested land for a well on this particular site, which I understand if we had hundreds of acres of subdivision.

Doing a well on that site is a relatively easy ask.

It's because of the amount of land you have on this particular parcel of land.

We're looking at about 11% of the dedicated commercial space for this request.

Then on top of that, we would have to relocate our trash and our access would change as well.

So it affects about 30% of the site, which is already encumbered by the railroad and uh the two additional roads and being an awkward shaped parcel.

So in this particular case, it's also the low point of this whole area, which for sewer would make sense if we were talking about a lift station, but for water, we feel that there may be other opportunities relatively close to the site, and so we would respectfully consider if the commission would waive this particular condition for this particular site.

That would be our one request on this on this parcel.

And I will stand for any questions.

Any questions?

Okay, not right now.

Appreciate your time.

We'll call you back up.

Candace.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioners.

My name is Candice Rye, associate planner for the city of Nampire.

The request before you this evening is a conditional use permit for outdoor storage of material accessory to the primary use.

The original concept is screened outdoor storage for three commercial flux buildings.

Property details, the property is currently zoned BC or community business.

The surrounding zoning to the north is RS4, single family residential, to the west is IL, light industrial, to the east is Canyon County, to the south is BC community business, and the comp plan designates this area as a residential mixed use.

And the comp plan designates this area as residential mixed use.

Here is the proposed concept plan.

A little bit of the property history.

Back in March of 2022, the preliminary plat was approved for Reflections Edge.

In March 2024, the conditional use permit for public storage facilities was approved, but that application is now expired.

In July of 2024, design review for reflections edge mini storage was approved by the design review committee.

That application has now expired.

And in March of this year, design review committee approved the design review for reflections edge flex storage.

Here are the applicable regulations, and this includes the conditional use permit criteria.

And then here is the setback requirements for the BC zone according to 1016-4.

Okay, and more applicable regulations.

So why we are here tonight 1016-2 permitted and non-permitted buildings and uses.

Building unless otherwise specified by conditional use permit.

Accessory exterior storage affiliated with principal uses shall not be allowed in any area in front of the principal buildings on a property and shall be otherwise screened from view with a site obscuring fence, wall, or hedge not to exceed eight feet in height.

And then at the bottom is 10226, and this just talks about the parking.

So we will calculate that at the time of building permit.

Landscaping requirements per the design review committee conditions of approval.

Enhanced landscaping is required to screen the exterior storage areas that can be seen from the right-of-way of Happy Valley Road and East Railroad Street.

Should the conditional use permit for exterior storage be approved.

In addition, the development will need to conform to the landscaping requirements outlined in 1033 and 10167A.

Landscape plans will be reviewed at the time of building permit.

Design review.

Specifically, the outdoor storage areas must be included in the permit for the adjoining adjoining buildings.

The storage areas will need to be incorporated in the code analysis and design submitted by the architect to be reviewed for approval by the building department.

And then here were the engineering department comments, and then if you have questions, Daniel is here to answer those.

The proposed findings below is the conditional use permit criteria, and then some of the facts that we have found.

The comprehensive plan designates residential mixed use as areas to be comprised in medium density residential neighborhoods with some commercial and or low impact light industrial area along collector or arterial roads.

Light industrial area along collector or arterial roads.

Sewer and water are currently provided to the property and have adequate capacity.

Police and fire services are available for this property.

The proposed shell flex buildings have received design review committee approval.

Uses for these buildings are unknown at this time.

New tenants will be evaluated per Title 10 chapter 3 to determine allowable uses and will be required.

Approval of a tenant improvement permit to occupy the space.

So in the conclusion, weighing the facts and department agency input, the project meets the criteria as outlined by 10254.

The proposed use is supported by the comprehensive plan because it is in a residential mixed use designation with appropriate zoning near major transportation corridors and meets the goals and strategies for economic development.

The proposed flex buildings with outdoor storage shall not involve activities or processes, materials, equipment, or conditions of operation that will be detrimental to any person's property or general welfare by reason of excessive traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glares, or odors, because it has access to adequate utility and emergency services, and it must follow all city codes and standards at the time of development and tenant leasing.

Such as 1032, design review conditions of approval, parking code, landscaping code, signage requirements, and other associated conditions of approval.

Here are the conditions of approval that are listed in your staff report.

Here are your potential motions, and I will stand for any questions.

Questions.

Okay.

Thanks, Camus.

I've got a question for Daniel.

You knew it was coming.

Yes.

So the potential for a different location for the well.

So Daniel Badger, City Engineer.

The water master plan identifies that area.

It's not specific to this property.

It's identifying that general area as a location for a well.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it's not the end of the world if there's not gonna work for them.

No.

No.

Nobody else?

The follow-up to that.

Yes.

Are there better locations and bigger pieces of property that it wouldn't have as much of an impact on?

There is certainly property out there that are larger.

There's the property across the street that's a large farm area that would it would not impact as much.

That one is not currently under application with the city, and so it would likely be something we would be having to purchase.

But it would be more typical for a request of dedication of land to happen with an annexation request rather than a conditional use permit.

So if that piece of property across the street became available or some more.

If we had a development application and an annexation at that point, we'd be uh prior to us acquiring something, we would likely be requesting that as a condition of annexation, uh which has much broader latitude than a conditional use permit.

Well, I'll put Bengalise up there.

So I've seen something, I think it was Toll Brothers at a public meeting or really have one for proposed subdivision on the east side of Happy Valley, just on the north side of Amity that goes up about Columbia.

Yeah, would that be getting too far away?

So the other challenge we have in this area if likely nobody here remembers, but um the city drill drill drilled a well there north of the LDS church a number of years ago that was going to be a domestic well.

Um turns out it had some water quality issues, um, and so it's an irrigation well at this point, and so um that's another consideration we'll have to take into effect as we finalize a site is um getting some good water quality data to to determine if uh if it's an acceptable water quality that we can handle or if we need to look for a different site.

Sure.

Um what's the timeline for a well?

I mean, are we looking at is it needed like in the next three to five years?

It's one of those that will be in the the near nearer term future.

Can you put a number to that?

Um I I believe we will be looking for a site in the next couple of years for construction.

But again, we this area where we have challenges with water quality, the farther north we go.

Um I don't believe we've explored the water quality, you know, as we're going south.

Um, but that's that's something we can look at.

But in this particular location, the water quality is sufficient for a well in that spot.

We do not know that at this point.

We just okay.

Yep.

Okay.

That that's something we have to drill a test well to figure out or find a somebody's residential well that goes deep enough into the aquifer of where a municipal well would go, which most residential wells don't go that deep.

So would it be um so it's kind of like this is more of convenience, like hey, this is this parcel is being developed.

Yep, we need a well out there.

Let's maybe look at this spot for uh dedication okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh Madam Clerk, do we have a sign-up sheet?

No, we do not.

Is there anyone here that would like to speak for, against, or undecided on this proposal?

Anyone online?

Mr.

Hatch, is there anything you would like to add Chairman Miller and Commissioners?

Thank you again for your consideration.

Um we had uh the the lawn care facility that built their their facility right on the corner of Happy Valley and Greenhurst.

And it's been fun to see the dynamic nature of what um localized commercial development does for a residential area, especially on these corners that would otherwise not really be utilized for much.

Um I think that this is an odd shape parcel right up against the railroad tracks.

You're not gonna use it for residential use.

Um I I think if we could encourage you know smart commercial development of this nature within a walkable distance from housing um throughout the city.

I think that that's kind of a uh a blessing.

So I'm excited uh about this project and um really appreciate your your time consideration of uh this request really kind of helps with the orientation more than anything of the development and looking at how that worked with design review requirements.

So really appreciate your your time consideration today for for that, as well as the consideration of the well request.

So and I will stand for any questions.

Mr.

Chair, question the north side of the property that butts up against the soon to be uh residential neighborhood.

I'm sure there's gonna be fencing there, but is it gonna be the same type of fencing as the uh as the um fencing on Happy Valley and railroad?

Commissioner Kirkman, good question.

So um if we pull back up the site plan possibly.

Well, we did is the majority of the building facade, especially on the west faces that so that we have more of a visual aesthetic with building three.

Both of our access points are there.

So we have pretty minimal amount of fencing on that location.

We have a little bit tied to building two and a little bit tied to building one, but the majority of that is more of a kind of a commercial presence towards the residents versus seeing long stretches of buildings.

So there's not gonna be any screen or any fence or anything like that on the No, there are screen fences along there as well.

Okay.

So the yards would be screened properly from the north as well.

So thank you, sir.

Yes.

Um you mentioned that this was gonna be something that was geared towards contractors or businesses or something like that.

Are these units going to have power in them so that people can utilize and will they be utilizing them to do some sort of business in them?

I I know of something kind of similar to this out in Boise out by the airport, and there are business they're geared more towards businesses.

There's power in them so that people can do some sort of business in them, like auto mechanic uh boat repair, things like that.

What's kind of the plan so that that market is brought to the to this project?

Chairman Miller, Commissioner Fain.

Uh this particular facility is probably not geared towards automotive just because of the amount of access around that and the storage access would be more practical for like a subcontract or the intent uh in construction right now with discussions with the developer is they're going to build out the shells of the buildings with some bathrooms already put in.

So we will have some move-in-ready product.

The intent there would be you have some offices up front, and then the back portion would be kind of a larger warehouse space.

You could build out more offices as well as need be.

But the idea would be you have an office component, and then you have kind of a shop or a warehouse component that utilizes that yard space.

And so if that is the case and subcontractors are mainly the tenants you're looking at.

Are you taking into consideration most of those will probably or some of those will probably have trailers and ease of bringing trailers in and getting them in and out of that space?

Chairman Miller and Commissioner Fein.

Great question.

Um, in regards to that, we do have building two, which has great access.

We will have access on the other two facilities as well.

Um, but the these tenants would be kind of a case-by-case basis as they utilize the space.

They would propose a tenant improvement and then evaluate the use based on that.

All I got.

Okay.

Makes sense.

Maybe I'm Mr.

Chair.

Yeah, I saw a nod.

Um, maybe I'm misunderstanding.

So is there looks like some of these buildings don't have access to the rear of the building?

I guess most of the times I see these flex spaces have overhead doors on the back side.

Is there access to that from the Commissioner Morgan?

They do have through access on these.

I would have to pull a design to explain it for you.

How did how do they how do they get to their store their screen storage?

They have to go through the front of the building.

Uh like building two will have access in both directions.

You can either go through the building or you would have a side yard.

So the other ones will have like a mandor and an overhead door, and they'll have to pull all the way through.

Correct.

Okay, I got you.

Great question.

Okay.

I think we're good.

Okay.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chairman?

Yes.

Make a motion we close the public hearing.

Second.

Yeah.

You second?

I did.

Okay.

Okay.

I'll I'll let you have it.

It was moved by Garner seconded by Kirkman to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

I mean opposed.

Okay.

Public hearings closed.

What do we think?

Mr.

Chair, I was just thinking about when he was talking about what type of businesses.

This is perfect for all of those subcontractor vehicles that are parked on the streets in the neighborhoods.

Things like that, and you can't get through them.

And they're always complaining about we don't have anywhere to park.

This is this is I think this is a great location and a great use for this type of uh uh this type of a project.

I think it's a great screen from the railroad to residential also.

What about what do you think about the well?

It sounds like Daniel can figure another one somewhere.

Yeah, I think we're good to just X that another shovel.

Yeah, I think if it was a little bit further along and and planned, and you know, that's this is where we have to put it kind of a thing.

It would be a different thing.

Yeah, there was no other options, but sounds like there are plenty.

Yeah, I think we're good to well, Mr.

Chairf, there's no other comments or since I moved to approve the project as stated on the screen with recommended conditions and adopt the potential findings.

And with removing number seven number seven on the um conditions.

Thank you.

All those in favor?

Any opposed motion carries.

Okay, we will go ahead and move into items.

You need to read anything.

Oh, yeah.

You're right.

Wait a minute, you're not done yet.

Hold on, yeah.

I got forgotten read my card.

This C UP will become effective 15 calendar days from the date the written decision and reason statement is provided to the applicant unless an appeal has been filed with the planning and zoning department with the appropriate fee.

No action should be taken on the CUP until the appeal period has concluded.

The applicant must confirm with planning and zoning staff that there have been no appeals.

Thank you guys.

Okay, item 3-2.

Annexation and zoning to RS4 zoning district potential development agreement for planned unit development and subdivision preliminary plat for Oaks landing subdivision at 2815 and 2724 North Middleton Road for trilogy development representing open door rentals and endurance holdings.

Is the applicant available?

Come on up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

I appreciate that.

Okay.

Chairman, members of the commission, hello and good evening.

For the record, my name is Sabrina Durchy, and I am here on behalf of the applicant.

My business address is 5179 South Boven Avenue, Boise, Idaho, 83716.

And this evening, I have the honor and privilege to presenting to you this application for Oaks Landing subdivision.

So let's start.

First, I'd like to welcome you to Oaks Landing.

Oaks Landing is envisioned as a vibrant, welcoming community community, thoughtfully designed as a charming infill neighborhood, nestled within a tree-lined setting.

With comfort, connection, and character at the forefront, this community blends timeless architectural details with modern livability to create a place that feels both inviting and enduring.

What you're seeing here is our primary entry monumentation.

This is located at the corner of Hunt and Middleton.

This monumentation was intentionally designed to create a strong sense of arrival, framed with layered landscaping, natural materials, and a cohesive design that reflects the overall character of the neighborhood.

Now I would like to welcome you into our main entrance from Middleton Road into Oaks Landing.

You'll notice the streetscape is designed to feel intimate and welcoming with tree-lined corridors, thoughtful plannings, and homes oriented toward the street to create a strong neighborhood presence.

A key element here is how the landscaping and pathway system work together, softening the edges, providing visual interest, and creating a more pedestrian-friendly environment throughout the site.

This isn't just about individual lots, but it's about how the neighborhood feels as a whole, comfortable, connected, and thoughtfully designed for everyday living.

Now taking a look at the overall development, the site was been intentionally designed to provide an appropriate transition within the area.

This area in Nampa is very unique and really a melting pot of uses and densities.

The property's enclave between established older county parcels to the west and south and is just feet away from more intense commercial corridor along Nampa Caldwell Boulevard.

With such a vast diversity of land uses, this project was designed very thoughtfully as an infill neighborhood, one that is compatible in scale and use with the surrounding residential, while also responding to the increasing intensity of the development nearby.

Overall, Oaks Landing serves as that transition, helping bridge that gap between existing lower density residential and the evolving commercial and higher density areas nearby.

With Oaks Landing, we're requesting annexation, zoning of R4, a planned unit development, and a preliminary plat.

We have a total of 85 lots with 10 common lots, and our gross density will be 5.49 units per acre, with our residential lot sizes ranging from 3,232 square feet up to 5,499.

The current comprehensive plan designates the site as commercial.

However, given its mid-block location and existing residentials surrounding the property, we believe a medium density residential designation is a more appropriate fit for the site.

To support that, we're requesting to stretch the medium density residential designation to the property to create a necessary land use transition.

This approach keeps the commercial intensity focused along major corridors while allowing Oaks Landing to function as a compatible, well planned residential buffer within this area.

So to better understand how the site fits in with this area, it's important to look closer at the surrounding context in detail.

To the north, we have unincorporated county parcels along with a mix of established commercial and service uses, including BW record service, Evergreen Mobile Home Park, Boulevard Plaza, Dennis Dillon Auto, and Jackson's Gas Station.

To the east are additional unincorporated county parcels transitioning to a strong commercial corridor along Caldwell, um Napa Caldwell Boulevard, including uses such as the College of Western Idaho and other established businesses.

To the southeast, the area is characterized by industrial and commercial uses, including Republic Services Recycling, West Valley Baptist Church, Eagle Transfer Movers, and directly south, we can see a mix of unincorporated parcels and established commercial and residential uses, including the Logan apartments, Maverick, Burger King, Dutch Bros, and Carcher Acre Subdivision, which was originally platted in 1970.

Directly west are established single family residential neighborhoods, including Midway Park Edition, platted in 1965, and Moss Point platted in 2004.

All of this demonstrates that Oaks Landing is thoughtfully positioned to serve as a natural transition between the surrounding commercial, industrial, and established residential uses, creating a compatible and balanced development for the area.

So taking a look at the overall context, you can really see why I describe this area as a really a melting pot, and that's what kind of makes this area super unique.

When you take a step back and evaluate the full context, we believe that the R4 zoning designation provides the right balance, bridging the more intense commercial to the lower density.

This project will be constructed in two phases, or perhaps in just one, with timing dependent on market conditions, preliminary estimates anticipate phase one will be cleated completed sometime in 2028.

In response to Valley View's letter, the slide shows that near Highway 2026, CBH Homes has entered into a memorandum of understanding with Valley View School District to donate approximately 12.40 acres with a few for a future elementary school.

This commitment demonstrates the applicant's proactive response to the district's needs and long-term investment in serving future students in this growing area.

This commitment is valued at $2,294,000.

We understand our sensitive to the city of Napa's concern that development must pay for itself.

Based on the analysis of current building permit fees and considering our proposed 85 residential homes, the estimated total impact fees generated by the project will be 1,169,000.

I held a neighborhood meeting on November 20th last year that was well attended.

And for those that who couldn't make it, I met them separately, including a meeting at Carol Meek's house in her kitchen and had several follow-up conversations with the surrounding neighbors since.

A big takeaway from those discussions is that many of the neighbors that opposed the Logan apartments project down the street.

So there's definitely some fatigue around the topic of traffic and development for them.

So taking the neighbors' concerns to heart and genuinely wanting to be part of the solution and to not aggravate the issue, we're proposing the following improvements.

Looking at this slide, item one is a right turn lane into the development from Middleton Road.

Number two is an additional right turn lane from Middleton onto Hunt Avenue.

Number three, dedication of right-of-way to accommodate a future left turn lane from Hunt onto Middleton Road.

And item four is a right turn lane from Hunt onto Middleton Road.

In addition to what's not being shown in the slide, we are wanting to coordinate with the City of Napa the following installation of do not block signage along Middleton Road and pavement striping along Middleton to clearly designate do not block areas at that intersection.

We feel that these improvements will make a significant impact for the traffic concerns and then for what the neighbors have for this area.

Now, I'd like to walk you through Oaks Landing's homes.

The community will offer two housing types, providing a range of floor plans and price points to meet a variety of needs.

What you're seeing on the slide are traditional single families homes.

These homes are designed with comfort and functionality in mind, featuring open concept layouts, spacious kitchens, and ample backyard spaces for families to enjoy.

That's what you're seeing in the slide is our bungalow product.

These homes are more compact in design with alley-loaded garages, which allows the front elevation homes to be the focal of focal point.

With this product, we're requesting some reductions in our lot sizes, triggering a request for a PUD.

This product not only adds character to the neighborhood, but also provides a more attainable price point with homes anticipated started at $380,000.

Additional overflow parking has been incorporated within Oaks Landing to accommodate special events and peak parking demand as shown in the slide.

Two strategically located tandem parking pads are distributed jacent to our bungalow product.

Us open space is a top priority, forming the foundation of our community's amenities, pathways, and overall connectivity.

Oaks Landing provides 2.35 acres of qualified open space at 15.25%.

And overall, the site has a total of three acres of landscaping for grand toll of 19.9%.

Pathway connectivity and walkability is also a priority within Oaks Landing as seen in our pathway exhibit.

Red depicts our community sidewalks.

Orange depicts our six foot micro pathways that fan out throughout the site for a total of 1,763 linear feet.

And blue depicts our 10-foot sidewalk along Middleton Road.

So as you enter the community and move along the main drive to your right on the north side of the site, you'll come across our first amenity area.

This is our community dog park designed as a dedicated space for residents and their pets to enjoy and gather.

The location was intentionally selected to provide a sense of separation from the main residential areas, helping to minimize noise while still being easily accessible to the neighborhood.

Our next amenity is designed to be a central gathering area within the development.

This is tucked into our northwest corner.

This area includes a multi-use open lawn, sport court, shaded pavilion, playlogs, seating areas, all connected by an integrated pathway network, creating an active yet comfortable space for everyday use and community gatherings.

The central gathering area supports walkability, quality of design, neighborhood livability, and consistent with NAMPA's long-term vision for quality developments.

And this slide shows a great perspective at the very edge of the open space.

It shows the beautiful flow of the pathways and amenities, and the residents will love to use.

These are the existing trees that buffer the site to the west.

Originally, our design had totally removed them with a road, but with some thoughtful input, we were able to redesign this area to become a more passive area with landscape seating that creates inviting spaces to rest, gather, and enjoy the outdoors.

It also provides the ultimate mitigation to the county lots to the north with a wall of trees to help minimize our developments impact.

And in summary, Oaks Landing is a thoughtfully planned infill community designed to provide a balanced blitz of housing options, functional open space, and intentional design gathering areas.

We feel that our design for Oaks Landing provides a thoughtful transition for the area and a fresh new energy and feel to this section of Middleton Road.

And with that, I'd like to thank you all for your time.

Your thoughtful consideration, we're in full agreement with the staff report, and respectfully request a recommendation of approval to City Council.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yes, thank you.

Okay, Christy.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioners.

I am Christy Watkins, principal planner for the city of Nampa.

As stated, the action requested for me this evening is for approval of annexation and zoning to RS4 with a PUD and preliminary plat for Oaks Landing subdivision.

The property located at 2724 North Middleton Road on the east side of Middleton Road, as you can see that little finger that pops out there, is not included in the plat.

The annexation of 2724 North Middleton is intended to provide a path of annexation for the larger parcel that is proposed to be subdivided.

It looks like this property would be contiguous otherwise, but because it's only touching Middleton Road that's annexed into the city, that's what the state considers to be a shoestring annexation, and it's not legal.

So we had to find a parcel that would create adjacency to the city limits.

Oops.

There it is.

All right.

So the comprehensive plan future land use designation is commercial.

Per the map, they are allowed to stretch the medium density residential from the east, the west, or the south.

The property at 2724 is already designated as medium density residential.

So the parcels could be considered infill because they are completely surrounded to some extent by the city limits and already existing development.

To the north is Canyon County, large lot single family, three-quarter plus acres.

To the south is a Canyon County subdivision, single family with one-acre lots.

To the east is Canyon County single family three-quarter plus acre lots and the BC community business zoning district.

And to the west, Canyon County sub single family with one-quarter acre lots.

So as far as engineering goes, a traffic impact study is not required for this development.

The proposed access meets the spacing requirements for the city's access management policy.

Um the frontage uh road improvements will be required.

Middleton Road requires a 10-foot side path drainage and any widening that might come with those uh turn lanes.

Hunt Avenue will require full widening on the north side of Hunt adjacent to this property, including curb gutter sidewalk and pavement widening.

The city's water sewer and pressurized irrigation systems do have adequate capacity to serve this property.

So the property is proposing 15.49 acres with a total of 96 lots, 85 of those being residential.

Due to the PUD request, they are allowed a reduction of lot sizes by 20 percent, therefore within the RS4 zoning district, and with that approved PUD, they can range from 3200 square feet to 9600 square feet.

The lot sizes shown on the plat range from 3,323 square feet to 5,287 square feet.

So they meet that.

The lot width and depth all meet um the lot width and depth required by city code.

The project includes over 15% qualified open space, which is required through the PUD.

Um, and they are proposing 2.35 acres or 15.22% of the gross acreage for qualified open space.

As she stated, there is more landscaped area that would not be considered qualified.

The uh plan includes neighborhood amenities like a dog park, sports court, gathering spaces, bench seating along the pathways, bicycle parking, trash receptacles, and dog waste stations.

So the GIS department did come back with some road name changes, those will be taken care of shortly.

The Forester had a request for some alternative species on their landscape plan for trees that may be susceptible to disease.

Ballet View School District has concerns about school capacity.

The Nampa Police Department has stated that they would recommend a commitment to fund 0.26 additional officers and 0.13 additional support staff for this project as it will increase the population slightly.

New engine uh the engineering department then has uh standard comments about traffic access utilities, drainage, and irrigation.

The fire department has indicated that this development is located approximately 1.1 miles from fire station number four with an approximate response time of three minutes.

Um the subdivision will add approximately 241 residents and will have an increased personal demand of 0.24 firefighter positions.

So there are four career criteria to be used in determining the appropriateness of annexation.

Um all landowners have consented to the annexation.

The property is contiguous to the city limits.

The comprehensive plan includes this area within its area of within its planning area, and the property is subject to the city's agreement with the highway district.

Um since we will be annexing that roadway per hunt, uh then we're the highway district, so we are agreeing with ourselves.

That's a good thing.

There are three criteria to be used in determining zoning.

The request is in harmony with the comprehensive plan.

The proposal does provide a set of uses that are deemed compatible with the adjoining properties, and the proposed zoning is in the interest of the public and reasonably necessary as the comprehensive plan defines compatibility as any property that falls within the same land use designation and meets density and development standards that are compatible with each other and with city code.

These are the recommended conditions of approval that are listed in your staff report.

These are your motions, and I will stand for any questions.

Curious about how that property was acquired to be contiguous with the other city property.

Um did the developer blow up it down the block and say, Hey, you want to sell you a house so I can be contiguous with the city or the city city does that, or how does that go about?

Uh Commissioner Keho, I would defer to the applicant to answer that specifically, but the developer of this property did purchase that piece of property.

Okay, so the city didn't have any water.

No.

Okay.

But I'll I'll ask her.

Okay.

Other questions.

No, you can ask us a question when you come up to speak.

You can ask us a question when you come up to speak.

And then we'll ask for you.

Okay.

Thank you, Christy.

Thank you.

Okay, Madam Clerk, do we have a sign-up sheet?

We do.

Our first would be Jake Holeb.

Good evening, Chairman Miller and Commissioners.

My name is Jay Coleb.

I live at 11161 Moss Lane.

I am the on the northern boundary of the proposed division.

As far as the NAMPA 2040 comprehensive plan, it states that compatibility with existing development is an important consideration when designing subdivisions.

I also want to mention that the stated intent of the city's PUD regulations is to allow greater but limited flexibility for neighborhood development.

So to orient us a little more to the scale of what's being proposed, um you heard a lot about the county lots and this enclave.

Um but this project is asking for RS4 plus a PUD.

The lot size is around 4100 square feet directly adjacent to existing lots that are significantly larger.

Directly surrounding the site, the adjacent lots are predominantly larger lot residential characteristic of zoning of R6.

To the west, the lots are approximately a quarter acre.

It's a 12,000 square feet, and then you saw the lots in the north range from roughly half an acre to over two acres.

This um with some of the lots being as small as 3300 square feet, this represents a significant shift in scale.

The lots directly adjacent to this project are at a minimum roughly three times larger than what's being proposed.

I understand that this is being proposed as the planned unit development.

However, that flexibility does not change the surrounding context.

While the plan includes open space and landscape buffering, those features provide visual separation, but they do not create compatibility in scale or density.

In this case, whether viewed under standard RS4 zoning or through the flexibility of a PUD, the question is whether the proposed design is compatible with the properties that directly borders.

At the boundaries, the lots are at or near the minimum size allowed, and the transition from the much larger residential lots is not gradual.

It is abrupt.

As a result, the compatibility described in both the comprehensive plan and the intent of the PUD regulations does not appear to be demonstrated.

Based on the current plan, there does not appear to be a defined privacy barrier or fence along the northern edge.

Given the smaller proximity of the lots and the amount of domestic animals possible, we are concerned about conflicts with our livestock.

A continuous privacy fence along the northern boundary would help mitigate those concerns.

Additionally, speaking with the pioneer irrigation superintendent regarding the user canal that runs along the boundary, it was suggested that a maintenance easement of approximately 10 feet would be reasonable to ensure proper access for ongoing canal maintenance.

And if I had to get another minute, I wanted to speak about traffic.

Mr.

Chair Time.

Yep, time.

Sorry, sir.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Nancy Miller.

Good evening.

Chair and County Commissioners.

I'm Nancy Miller.

Um I live at 11087 West Hunt Avenue.

Umpa.

Live it directly across from the new proposed subdivision.

Um my first question is on the school district.

Um there was a mention about Valley B school district, but I just wanted to make sure that the school district isn't going to be changed with that new subdivision because it is in the city of NAMPA.

So that's my first question.

Because I do have grandchildren that attend Valley View and don't want to switch schools.

Um my second question is how will the zone the rezoning affect the properties nearby and the impact zone plan?

And my third question is about the traffic flow because it's already busy on that road trying to get off of Avenue on the Middleton Road.

And with the new apartment complex that they just put in that isn't completely full, you know, it's already increased traffic, and then we're gonna have 270 families, or not 270 families, but 85 homes with traffic, and so that just is really concerning for us who live there.

Those are my questions.

Thank you.

Next we have Ray Valdez.

Good evening.com, there is around a thousand homes there are for sale.

Sir, excuse me.

1,000 houses.

Mr.

Valdez.

Oh dez 11183 Hunt Avenue.

Thank you, sir.

I got a little carry away there, huh?

Okay.

Okay, according to uh realtor.com, there's about a thousand homes for sale in Napa.

There's five there's 500 apartment rent.

There's 500 apartments that are for rent in Napa.

Bape Landing has 400 units.

The Jackson has uh 317 units.

Pine Hertz has 84 units, townhouses.

The Cowways has 56 units, one and three bedrooms.

The Logan that's just going up has 264 units.

And the Logan that's that's that's there right now behind the map Maverick is only 20% filled.

Now, if you had all these up, you're gonna have you, but that's that's within half a mile from where we live at.

You have all these apartments that are there, which is about about a thousand and four and three.

But what I'm saying is you we need to we need to put on the brakes on this thing right here.

We didn't agree for any of this going on, uh, the people that live in that area, and so what you guys need to do is to set the put on the brakes, let the Logan apartments get filled up, let all these other apartments get filled up, let these uh thousand homes get filled up before you start doing all these other things.

Let all this happen first, and then start having this thing go going out across on on uh on Middleton Road.

Otherwise, we're gonna be in big trouble down the road.

So there's gonna produce another uh 2,242 cars just in that one area within a half an hour or half a mile of uh of the area.

So let everything get filled up first, and then you decide whether we want this going on or not.

And that's what thank you for your attention.

Thank you.

Next, we have Stephanie Peters.

Good evening, thank you for your time.

Uh, my name is Stephanie Peters.

I live at 2609 North Middleton Road, which is a half acre over from Hunt.

I live in a how been there for over 40 years, original house for that neighborhood, 1920.

And I just want to talk to you about a few things tonight.

And if you guys would bear with me, I'm suffering from a concussion from an accident on Middleton Road, so my things need to go.

But I wanted to do I ask my question now.

Yeah, please.

Uh Christine?

Ask ask us, and then we'll ask her after.

Okay.

So my question is um about what she said about um.

Sorry, I just wrote it down, so I gotta look through my scratch.

The compatibility.

So I want 1.3 acres.

My neighbor that lives right off of Hunt is 0.87.

Most everybody is an acre, half acre minimum, and that's very few.

And I don't understand how this can be compatible.

You know, I I just I just beyond how I can understand.

And she also said something about um the people um approving, and I don't know if that means the people that own a property gave their approval, but I know that nobody that lives around there gave their approval.

And I also want to bring up that we I went to that meeting with Sabrina, and I'm very disappointed.

We had a lot of questions, and she promised that she was gonna get back to us.

We gave her our email and our phone number.

We never heard a word.

So how on earth can we trust that they're gonna follow through with what they say?

We had a concern about the house that was torn down there, and I'm not sure if they tore it down or if the owner of the property tore it down.

They had no abestus people on side on site.

My neighbor is that's what he used to do for a living.

So he verified that nobody there checking abestos.

The well was not capped for I don't know how long.

So we asked that we have all the water tested.

Not just for nitrates, but there's a big panel like, you know, I don't know, it's like 150 different chemicals and stuff.

We asked them if they would test the water.

So we're sure that we're safe, because we all have wells.

And this is gonna affect our wells because now there's no groundwater from the irrigation.

We don't have aquifers like you guys have.

So we asked them about that too.

And I I can see my husband said that's a lot to ask somebody that they replace your well if it goes dry.

But those are things that we're concerned with.

And um, you guys have no I I mean, I shouldn't say this because I don't know each of you, but what we've gone through the last two years with that Northwest Village and the Logan.

Our driveway is right across the street.

We have never had an air conditioner.

And we had to buy one because I couldn't breathe.

Mr.

Chair Time.

So it's big consequences for us going through all that building and the noise.

Thank you.

Thank you.

There's no one else signed up.

Okay.

Is there okay?

Well, we'll we're gonna handle it on a case by so anybody else who'd like to speak, go ahead and come on up one at a time.

Hi y'all chairman, commissioners.

I live right across with her.

We've been there about 28 years, and um your name, please.

Name and address.

Oh, Claude Miller, uh 11087 West Hunt Avenue.

And we live right off Hunt, and it's a drag strip as it is right now.

Um it's frustrating the way it everything is.

Uh I get rather agitated having grandchildren there, and uh last year I was uh on my bicycle, and uh truck came by and he whizzed my head with his uh his mirror.

It took me over the side and I went over the front and broke my nose, broke my head, broke my hand.

Uh two weeks later, uh young man right next door to me was actually hit by a car.

Um I spent a lot of time there, and uh if you ever seen the traffic, and I'm sure you have uh I've seen it as far back as halfway to Eustach on the other side of the highway.

Um they've been needing to fix the that area.

I've noticed in southern Middleton Road, it's nice and wide, but we don't have that in that one little area there.

But the housing there, I noticed as a carpet layer, I noticed that you guys are putting them in about eight feet from the uh the corn uh the sides, and they're going in just boom boom boom boom.

We have an acre, our neighbors all have an acre.

It's been a wonderful place for 28 years, real good neighbors.

Uh and I don't believe, as some of them have said, that this actually qualifies in its size.

I don't want to stop anyone from being able to build on their property, but I want them to be smart about it, and putting that many people in there is not gonna do anyone any good.

I uh I I request that you guys just look it over real well, and uh even though that I saw that they're gonna be able to bring the finances up to a million one hundred thousand or something like that.

Um it's not about money, it's about life.

It's about the life we live.

It's about the life we've had.

And uh I really don't mind that they're putting houses over there.

I just really have a hard time them packing them in like they do.

Uh it's not necessary.

Uh and I would ask that, you know, be looked at uh enlarging those uh those lots because I've been there, I've seen it, and they're just crammed together and and uh I've lost uh Honda Odyssey, I've lost all kinds of things from people stealing around there and gas being stolen.

And uh I've lost uh Honda Odyssey, I've lost all kinds of things from people stealing around there and gash being stolen.

And Mr.

Chair Time.

Thank you.

And it's just real fun.

I love it there.

Thank you, sir.

Appreciate it.

Anyone else like to speak?

Hello, my name is uh Michael Esh, and um I live at 16448 West Oak Street in Caldwell, Idaho.

Um I grew up at 11161 Moss Lane.

And uh we moved there in 198.

And uh my family has lived there.

My daughter lives there with uh with Jake Holub.

And um, and so I have uh quite a bit of um time that I've spent at that location.

Um the proposed building uh uh plan that is for that is it just seems so dense.

Um if you think about how many homes are gonna be there, that's you you gotta multiply that at least by two for how many cars there's gonna be going in and out of there.

And Middleton Road, um just about any time of the day is going to be very difficult for cars to get in and out of there for that many.

Um there's already a line at Middleton and and uh Namba Caldwell Boulevard without an additional bunch of of cars um coming there.

And so um so that's uh an issue with with In and Out.

There's there's only two exits for one on to Middleton, which is going to be very challenging, one on to Hunt that uh that will also be challenging once they get to to Middleton Road.

And so it just seems so dense.

I I realize uh I mean all the land is going to eventually go uh or has gone already to to homes and businesses, but um it just seems extremely dense for um for this location.

So I would be uh in favor of uh much lower density.

Thank you, sir.

Is there anyone else that would like to speak?

Okay.

Let's come back up, Mr.

Chief.

Um thank you again for your time and your consideration, and um I sincerely want to thank the neighbors for coming out and um sharing their thoughts, um, talking with them.

I I understand their frustration that they have and the fatigue that has come with some of this change in this area.

And we have exactly we've been working hard to kind of really put solutions to you this evening as far as traffic, providing um the additional right-of-way along Hunt Avenue to provide the both left and right turn lanes.

This is not a requirement of the development.

Um this is something that we're being proactive, uh offering to help improve the traffic flow and the safety for this area.

Again, um committing to the striping improvements, um block do not block signage at the for the intersection of Hunt and Middleton.

This was not required.

This is something that we're trying to provide to help um at provide a solution and to make an immediate difference um for the site.

Third, um, we've been intentional with our design as far as transition.

Um that's why I didn't want to remove those trees.

We didn't put that road there because I was like, this is a wall of 20-foot trees.

This is a great way for mitigation.

But also if you look at density for this area, and it's hard because we're looking at the county lots that were platted back in 1965, 1970, and now the changing dichomin dichotomy of this area.

We have the apartments now, we have the intense commercial coming in, we have the boulevard, and this area is slowly gonna get reinvested.

These larger lots will redevelop as in fill, and um we feel that this is the right project for this space.

Um the commercial, as noted, was just I don't feel like it produced way more traffic than our project would, and that this is a great balance in between with the intensity of Caldwell Boulevard and with the existing county lots.

And it's hard.

This county lots have been there for a while, and slowly as time changes, they become the outlander for the area.

Um so we do feel like the the density and the transition has been thought thoughtfully designed.

Um and then this project, I'm gonna go back to the area.

Sorry, I'm talking and trying to go backwards.

Um this project is a true infill development.

We're not extending infrastructure outward, we're building within an existing area, utilizing established services, contributing to the fish efficiency of the community as a whole.

Um and this, like I said, this corridors already experiencing reinvestment from the commercial activity at Carcher and Middleton to our nearby residential growth.

Um change is happening, and our goal with Oaks Landing.

Oh, I finally oh, did I make it?

I finally made it.

Um with Oaks Landing is um is in part is the to have the change to be positive by setting a really nice high standard for livability for landscaping, for look and fill.

We feel that this really provides the reinvestment in this area and strikes that right balance of bringing new life while respecting what's already there.

So I'm trying to like find a good middle ground.

And that's what I think um I've hopefully have provided to you this evening.

Um as far as some other questions, um council member um Keyhole.

Um Commissioner Key Hole, you were curious about the annexation path.

Um I not part of um acquiring the pro properties, so I'm not sure how they got about the annexation path, but um it is owned by the developer.

Um as far as the Valley View School District, this is in the Valley View School District.

We will not be redistrict redistricting the area.

Um hopefully Nance that answers Nancy's questions.

Mr.

Vasquez talked about we are saturated with housing, but we're also we're in a housing crisis as well, and for and especially at beginning homes, starter homes for this area, which this is gonna be kind of um key to.

So um and as far as um Stephanie, I apologize.

I didn't realize I did not get back to her.

I did verify that well has been capped.

There's no contamination, we would not want to do that.

Um and then when it's fully removed, we'll meet all of DEQ's requirements.

Um I don't know if there's anything else I missed again.

Thank you again for all of your time and thoughtful consideration.

And I'll have stand for any questions that you may have.

Thank you.

Questions?

Mr.

Chair.

Yes.

Um did you speak to the fencing or screening along the north side?

Oh, thank you.

Chairman, um Commissioner Morgan.

So um I did talk to that neighbor.

So I verified we're gonna be um piping that lateral so we can actually put six foot privacy fence up.

Sometimes if it's open, we have to have an open um wrought iron in case if they're burning and maintenance, they don't want wood fencing.

But I did verify with our engineer that it will be piped and that the six-foot fencing will be up against um our northern boundary.

Thanks.

Any other questions?

Um, Mr.

Chair, but uh just a clarification on the school district thing.

Yes, thank you.

The the school districts cannot be changed except by the school districts.

Even the city of Nampa can't change the school districts.

That has to be done by the school district.

So I think that answers maybe a little bit more in depth your question.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Okay, thank you all.

Second.

It's been moved by Commissioner Morgan, seconded by Key Who to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed.

Public hearing is closed.

Mr.

Chairman, I'll start.

Nobody else wants to.

Um I really appreciate their donating the land for the school building.

I don't know which one they'll build, junior middle or whatever.

But a lot of places, a lot of developments don't donate the land.

Uh so I appreciate C BH donating the land for the school.

And I do like I've said this to them before in the last few meetings that they're utilizing a lot of space in two or four open areas, play areas, uh, and that's appreciated by the people that are gonna live there.

And maybe even people that don't live there.

It's better to have an empty lot with kids playing baseball than it is to have five homes on that same lot.

My thought.

So I I uh I like it.

I like it.

Um Daniel or Christie.

One of you speak to, I guess.

Difficult with changing Middleton Road in this section because of the county property.

So without development, it can't happen, period.

Without annexation, it can't.

So annexation and development does uh provide us with right-of-way that will be needed for the widening there without the city having to purchase that.

So that does bring down the cost of those improvements.

Um Middleton Road is on our corridor plan for the impact fees, and so it is something that um impact fees do go towards funding.

Uh we have a portion that is between um Flamingo and Carcher that I believe just started this last week uh for widening there that will include widening of the um Elijah Drain Bridge uh as well as uh roadway widening there in that section.

Um that will, when that is complete and the uh Carcher Road improvements are done.

There are some improvements on Middleton Road to the north of Karcher that um were part of the development there that are being constructed in conjunction with the Carcher Road project, and so that will provide two southbound lanes through there that um will help alleviate stacking issues that people experience with the prop the traffic heading southbound.

Um we don't have design and construction funding year for the section between Carcher and the Boulevard yet.

Um but again that is on our impact fee list, and so is you know, within the next 10 years would be when we would anticipate that to happen.

Now, as part of this development, um they are doing some widening and their two entrances and then at hunt.

Will that be three lanes wide?

So traffic turning into the subdivision can potentially pull over and then in and saying that.

So they have proposed right turn lanes um on Middleton Road, both into their subdivision and into Hunt, so they would provide right turn lanes there that would help uh move traffic out and allow the through traffic.

They've also proposed a uh do not block intersection striping and signage that the city is amenable to there that will help alleviate some of the traffic issues there as well as the turn lanes they're proposing on Hunt Avenue itself.

No left turn lane, just the right.

No, like center turn lane, just the there is not a they are not proposing one, and our um the traffic information that I've reviewed would not necessarily trigger one, a requirement for one at this point.

But you we are getting the right-of-way so that when we when it's time we have the room to build.

Correct.

Uh I guess that's it for you, sir.

Thank you.

Uh Christy, could you speak about your output?

I didn't mean you could leave yet.

Somebody else might have something.

Can you speak about compatibility?

Uh yes, thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Umpatibility by definition does not equal same or sameness.

Umpability is really intended to provide for transition.

Um when you're putting residential uses near residential uses, that can mean anything from large lots to multifamily.

The compatibility comes with the word residential, not the size of the lot.

So compatibility does not equal same.

Thank you.

And honestly, in that area, I mean, Moss Point, I think that's what it's called.

Medium density neighborhoods, smaller lots.

I mean, that's only 800,000 feet away from to the west of this proposed project.

I mean, it's not that far away.

Really, the only thing standing in between those two developments, or this project and that development are three-quarter one-acre lots in the county.

I don't think those are even three-quarter.

I think there's the smaller of the right to the west, yeah.

I think those are the other smallest.

I think that's the smallest of all the lots around.

Um some concerns with the compatibility and the size of the lots, but looking at the big picture in this particular area, man, there's there's just so much going on with commercial and residential and county land and large and small and everything else.

So I'm not I'm not really that um concerned about the compatibility issue.

Um the gentleman was talking about everything that's being built, and why not fill wait to fill up those before we move on.

And uh I mean that's a valid point to an extent, but I think one thing that makes NAMPA and and really any other city, but I think one thing that makes NAMPA um a livable place, a desirable place to live, is the is the choices of where to live and what to live in.

There's so many different products for people to move into.

Some people like the smaller homes with the alleys, which I appreciate this particular project incorporating.

Some like uh a small lot, some like a bigger lot.

So there's just a uh a great breadth of of choices and options for people moving to Nampa.

So you know that's probably one reason we're not seeing a whole lot of fill-in with it, some of these things going up.

But the availability of different products, I think is is one thing that makes NAMPA a livable place to be.

I think the thing that concerns me is that if there if there was you know a thousand homes that were on the market right now, what are the percentages of of residents that can afford those 1,000 homes that are actually out there?

And I think that's the challenge is there's so little affordable housing in NAMPA that there is a great majority of the people I think that can't afford to buy a lot of the homes that are available.

Um that's why these types of developers are important for us.

And when I when I'm looking at it, I see all along that western boundary, you have 20 foot trees.

Nobody on the other side of those trees can see what's going on on the other side.

So I I don't think the compatibility is as much of an issue on the western boundary, nor is it on the south, because that's all fence and that's the road, Hunt Avenue, right?

And then you got Middleton on the east side.

So I think the only area where I have any concern is where it backs up against those large acres on the north northern boundary.

I guess which will be screened and I think I think a lot of the what we have you know been approved and and looking at and considering over the last months and years um being on the commission is um I mean you look at how many apartments and multifamily have been a been proposed to us over the years.

And this is yes, smaller lots, yes, smaller houses, but it's residential, individually owned individual lots with a single family home.

So nothing attached.

Um and you know, like you like uh commissioner said it's yes, we do have a good variety of different product in Nampa, and I think it's important to continue that.

Um to say that this needs to be half acre lots is just it's just not reasonable.

Um if it was, then somebody would have purchased it a long time ago and put those in.

Um with costs the way they are now, there's no way anything like that would ever pencil out.

So um I like it uh for the simple fact that it's something different, and um it's not apartments, it's not multifamily.

So and it is it is info, so there's that to consider as well.

And the potential to walk to work too.

There's a lot of commercial going on around there.

Yeah, I I like it, and and I think it was very thoughtfully planned out too.

Looks great.

The pictures look great anyways.

We'll see what the finished product looks like, but I think there's something to be said for the fact that it's home ownership, yeah.

And it's not rentals.

Um I have I've asked uh different parties this question.

There aren't there's an official study or data that can be linked, but the investment and the connection to community through home ownership versus the the rental market.

I I would I would just go on the record and say that I I personally feel that there's a bigger investment in the community when somebody owns a home.

And so the fact that this is here, and even though it is maybe a smaller lot, some people don't want the large some people don't want the large lot.

They don't and um but that there's home ownership involved.

I think that is in the long run beneficial to the neighborhood, the city in general.

There's certainly studies that support that and evidence in research, Mr.

Chair.

Yeah, I'll oh sorry.

You want to go?

You can go.

You pick.

Go ahead.

Okay.

No, I was gonna pick one.

We've heard too much from Dell.

So and yeah, I'm I'm with everybody else on this.

If if if they can bring it in, then I trust that CBH will do his best, of course.

By the time they get this built out, prices are gonna be changing, of course.

But if they could give them in under 400,000, that'd be awesome.

I've got two buyers right now that I can't find anything in NAPA.

That's three.

Are they two or it's yeah, we need to we need to be appropriate with our discussion?

Yeah, so yeah, it's I mean we could definitely use some that are are not town homes and for single families for that are in the price range that these younger people, I mean we're up to 40 years old for the average first-time home buyer, and that's getting crazy.

So we gotta get it back down to where you know people in their late 20s and early 30s can start building their wealth and not wait until you're almost ready to retire.

Well, and I think I think too, you know, what what drives the cost down when there's more houses for sale?

The fewer houses we have for sale, the higher the costs go.

So if we got to a point where we only had 200 houses for sale in NAMPA, the cost of everything single thing for sale is gonna go up incrementally.

It just will but but but what about your kids?

What about your grandkids?

What about the people you want to live in this community?

And well, and and we can't we can't discuss this way.

So um I just think that you know, for for my kids who are that age where it's time, um it's it's hard because you know how can they go from making what they're making to you know sometimes even rentals, but but then into purchasing, and you're right, it's gonna be 38, 42, whatever that looks like, and that's that's scary.

So long time to be living.

Do we want a clut of homes for sale?

Not necessarily, but we need something to help correct the price, and the only thing that's gonna do that is inventory.

Inventory.

It's the only thing that'll do it, in my opinion.

And interest rates.

We're still ready for that.

So I want to acknowledge that change is hard.

It is and and weighing that against the benefits to the city of this development, you know, that's that's something that we need to do.

And there is a buffer, it's basically all RS6, whether it's county or city to the west, transitions to RS4 to the commercial, that's an appropriate transition.

Um the purpose of PUDs with infill incentives is to take advantage of infrastructure that we don't have to build and farmland that we don't have to build on out on the outskirts of town in order to do this.

So in my opinion, this development meets the purpose of our planning documents, and I think we should improve it.

Um and I'll move to approve the project as stated on the screen.

It's been moved by Morgan, seconded by Keyhoe to approve this item.

All those in favor, should we do a roll call?

Do we'll call for this?

Okay, Madam Clerk, poll call, please.

Uh Turner.

Hi Garner.

Aye.

Kirkman?

Aye.

Copeland.

Aye.

Aye.

Miller.

Aye.

Keyhoe?

Aye.

Morgan?

Yes.

Motion carried.

Thank you.

Why don't you guys just make the whole place look like California?

Chairman, I move to adjourn the meeting.

Do we have a second?

Second.

It's been moved and second to adjourn the meeting.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Who is the second?

Oh, the second.

Keyho.

That's okay.

Okay, I seconded it.

I like the do we?

Yeah.

More professional.

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