So I just basically talked to him in the urban.

Oh, derogative.

Oh, so do I need the monster?

I know.

Thank you, Christian.

That's at any moment.

Trustee.

You guys got a highlighter?

Yeah, that'll work.

Yep.

No, you're good.

You're good.

Okay.

Okay.

I have six o'clock.

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

Yeah, you can.

Okay.

Okay, I've got six o'clock.

It is time to start our meeting.

First, I'd like to welcome everyone to the May 26th, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

Um we'll start with a roll call, please.

Here.

Copeland?

Here.

Kirkman?

Here.

Morgan?

Here.

Keyhoe.

Here.

Turner.

Daffer.

Miller.

Here.

Garner.

Here.

Seven present.

Thank you.

Rodney.

Mr.

Chair and Commission Rodney Ashby Planning and Zoning Director for the record.

So City Council on their May 18th meeting had uh several plots that were approved.

So the first one was Fenway number two, which you had recommended approval.

And they did approve the Happy Valley Industrial Project was recommended for approval and was approved.

And finally the seven Maples Ranch subdivision was recommended for approval and was approved.

And then on to the public hearings, we had uh for the first public hearing was for a um a variance to code.

And I probably need to explain this a little bit.

Uh pioneer irrigation has changed their policy, and so in the past they allowed lots that were a part of a subdivision to include the easement as part of their lot.

So a single family home lot, but now they are requiring that those be in a common lot, and so that um that was done after the preliminary plat was approved, and so when they came back for this final plat, they needed to go through a variance process because of the lot sizes being too small for what our zone requires.

So that's gonna be taken care of in the long term in the future because the developers will design the project accordingly with the common space against that pioneer irrigation easement.

But for this one they needed that variance, and so city council did approve that that variance.

Um next is annexation and zoning for Oaks Landing.

Uh you had recommended approval.

This is um northwest of Hunt Avenue and Middleton Road.

Uh you recommended approval and city council approved it.

Next and final one is annexation and zoning for four industrial properties, uh IL zoned at 1722 18200 and zero East Iowa Avenue.

That's northeast of Iowa and Power Line Road.

And this was to continue to operate the Clearwater Landscape Construction Company, and you had recommended approval in March, and uh City Council approved it.

That's all I have.

Rodney.

Thank you, Mel.

Thank you for moving the screen back.

Yeah, we heard it was too close.

It was.

I have to admit I did not do it.

I didn't think you did.

I didn't think you did.

Thank you.

Okay, we'll go ahead and move into the public hearing portion of our meeting.

Oh, yes.

Mr.

Chairman, I make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Second.

It's been moved by Garner, seconded by Kirkman to approve the consent agenda.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Thank you.

Mr.

Kirkman, appreciate it.

Um, so if for any of you who have not been here, the way this works is we'll call the applicant up.

They will have seven minutes to tell us what they want to do.

Um, we'll turn the time over to staff, they'll tell us what their findings are.

Then we'll open it up for public testimony.

Um we would ask that when you come to the mic, um, please give us your name and address for the record.

Um, and then as you're sitting waiting, we'd ask that you please keep the conversations to a uh whisper.

Uh the meeting is being recorded and it is live streamed as well, and those whispers and talking in the crowd pick up pretty well on the mic, so it makes sometimes um what we're saying on the mics uh almost inaudible.

So um just respect others as they'll respect you.

So we'll get go ahead and get rolling with uh item three-one, a conditional use permit for non-commercial daycare in RS6 zoning district addressed at 17050 North Ginewit Avenue for Kevin Rook Mira.

The applicant here.

Could you move the microphone down, please?

Mike, there you go.

Thank you.

Yeah, Nikola Pakwaju Chungatoto.

And I'm here because I want to take care of the children.

Yeah, quadzi.

I'm a parent.

Uh I'm after looking around.

I I realize there's no decan near that.

Because my neighbors take the children to voice, and it's quite far.

Yeah, and Joe Sasan is an innocent.

Yeah, I realize I need to do that because I also need to take care of my children.

Yeah, enjoy you says, I'm saying that's my request if possible if you can allow me to to do that one.

Yeah, and say quite jewelry and is shind up who fanny hasn't just an attack and fangs of chunk and yeah, I cannot do a legal job because I have to take care of my children also.

Yeah, and Joe Sassan in Ki Fungu and Italian Ten and I've seen that I would combine uh the deck and I also take care of my children.

Uh in a government see on Joe Pazy.

No, no, yeah.

And I don't want to go so to do some job which is not legal.

That's why I decided to go to how to go back to a look for some day.

Yeah, and as an N issue.

And that's all I want to say.

Yeah, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Yes.

How much experiences she have with the children?

Is that for my children or all children?

All children.

It's twice.

Twelve, yes, expensive.

Twelve years.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ms.

Watkins.

All right.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioners.

I am Christy Watkins.

I'm the principal planner for the city of NAMPA.

The request before you this evening is for a conditional use permit for an in-home daycare for up to 12 children as a home occupation.

The property is in the city limits and is zoned RS6.

It is in the Franklin Village number eight subdivision.

All of the surrounding land uses are single family residential with a school and a park in the near vicinity.

Access to this property is along a private driveway that serves two houses and terminates at the edge of a third driveway.

The residence has a two-car garage with a two-car driveway.

As far as ownership goes, the assessor records show that Kevin Rukimera took ownership of this property in 2022.

These are the applicable regulations for the conditional use permit.

So there are four criteria that you need to be to find to be met to approve this conditional use permit.

According to our schedule of uses, a home occupation daycare up to 12 children does require a conditional use permit in the RS zone.

It will also be required to register as a home occupation.

And we do have home occupation standards in regards to businesses in the home, how many employees they can have, parking situations, noise, those kinds of things.

As far as correspondence, we did receive a couple of public comments regarding traffic, parking, and maneuvering within that common driveway, safety for the children, and parking in general on the roads around the property.

Also, traffic, noise, parking, safety concerns, compatibility with the neighborhood, and multiple instances of police activity at this address.

Staff did request some details about this.

Most recent incidences, which did end in August of 2025.

The development or the engineering department talked about how many trips this would potentially generate, and that would be if she actually had 12 children.

A lot of times we just give the conditional use permit for up to 12 children, but that's not actually how many they're going to be watching.

So you know, it could be five to ten times increase for a typical single family residence, depending again on how many different families are dropping their children off.

Code compliance has stated that they have some weeds that need to be cleaned up.

The building department has required that they will need a building permit based on Title IV building regulations for children.

And then the fire department has also stated that child care is not allowed on the second floor of the property.

The site plan that she provided for the house shows that there's an area above the garage that they could potentially be in, but the fire department has said that they can't be on the second floor.

So that's one thing that we need to make sure that she understands in the conditions.

So for proposed findings, um with this conditional use permit, the property or the proposed primary land use is supported by the comprehensive plan.

Um it does provide a daycare service that is um does fit within the local and residential commercial land uses within proximity to neighborhoods.

And to be in compliance with building safety and facilities, and so they would need to have the home occupation registration and a building permit, and they would need to meet our fire district codes.

The design construction and operation and maintenance of the property and project will not adversely impact the intended character and appearance of the general vicinity.

Some facts for that.

The property is currently in the city limits and zoned RS six.

All the surrounding land uses are single family residential.

Daycare is allowed in the RS zone with a conditional use permit.

The property will remain residential in nature.

The primary land use will be served adequately by essential public facilities and services.

There are public facilities and emergency services and utilities available to this property currently.

The proposed use will not involve activities and processes, materials, equipment, and conditions of operations that will be detrimental to any person's property or general welfare by reason of excessive traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glare, or odors.

Again, access to this property is along a private driveway that serves two houses and terminates at the edge of a third driveway.

The residence has a two-car garage and a two-car driveway.

The neighbors are concerned about the challenges for parking and maneuvering in this area.

These are the recommended conditions of approval that state the building department and the fire department requirements.

These are your potential motions.

I'll stand for any questions.

Christy, um, have you actually spoken directly to this lady?

Um Commissioner Keho.

I have spoken to her on a number of occasions.

Um communication is a little bit difficult, but I have spoken with her, yes.

Okay, and is health and welfare involved, or are they aware of the language barrier?

Well, I'm thinking about it as if there was a fire, would she be able to communicate people what to do?

Um, as far as health and welfare goes, that's a state licensing agency, so if she was going to be getting a daycare license, she'd have to work directly with them.

I don't know what they know about her um communication challenges.

So I don't know.

All right, thank you.

Not the answer I wanted to hear.

I didn't ask her about that question, but I did ask, I did walk her through the staff report and I did show her the memo from the fire department, and I flagged everything so that she could read through it at her leisure, um, just so that she would know what they were requiring from her.

All right, thank you.

Yes, just a clarification on Kehill's uh question is health and welfare involved at this point since it's non-commercial, or do they get involved with any type of daycare?

Does she need to be licensed with health and welfare?

Um, Commissioner Kirkman, I I don't know how the state does that.

I think that she does when she's up to 12 children, she has to have a state license.

Okay.

If she wants to have state funding for food, she has to have a state license.

Okay.

So there are some triggers that will cause that.

And excuse me, one more question.

At what point uh in this process, and maybe it's in the home occupation stage.

Is the number of children considered too much or for the size of the home?

Does that make sense?

I mean twelve twelve additional kids in a three-bedroom house as a daycare.

Not that this is a three, but if that were the case, does that is that where we consider that here, or is that considered at what stage?

Um, Commissioner Kirkman, we don't our code doesn't really apply to square footage.

Uh we don't have anything that's dictates a certain size home can do these things.

Um, and so when it comes to a daycare, it's really about the children, the number of children.

And a lot of times, you know, it's a person's own children.

So children under the age of I think six or seven are counted in that above that age, they're not counted in that.

So they could actually watch an additional 12 if their kids are over a certain age.

So it we our code really doesn't dictate the size of the house.

Because I was just thinking in in terms of public safety.

I mean, certainly those kids that are going to a daycare, that would I would I would think that at some point that should be considered is there too many kids for the size of the structure.

So uh Commissioner Kirkman, there are rules in the fire code for how it's it's um an occupancy load.

Okay.

Um, and they look at the house, they look at the ingress egress.

So sometimes a house, if the fire department goes in and and determines that they've got a certain number of kids, they might make them switch out their doors for better egress.

Um, they might look at the windows, they might look at the electrical setup in that room.

They'll they'll look at all of those different things, and then I think they base it on a head count for occupancy.

Right now, that's where that lies.

Okay.

Sorry, one additional comment.

If whoever's phone keeps going off, could you silence the phone?

It's really getting to be distracting.

Well, just make sure your phones are silenced.

And Mr.

Chair, thank you for the indulgence.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Do we have a sign-up sheet?

We do.

We have uh Michael Fuller.

Um Michael Fuller, um, 17038 North Gwyneth Avenue.

Um, the neighbor directly adjacent to the proposed daycare location.

Um, I'm gonna read because I have a lot of notes and I don't want to jump around or do anything like that.

So um I I request that the commission carefully consider the applicant's documented history of non-compliance with the subdivision C C and Rs, as well as the repeated police presence and calls for service associated with the subject property when evaluating this conditional use permit.

While I understand CC and Rs are private covenants and not necessarily part of the basis for zoning decision, I believe the applicant's repeated violations demonstrate an ongoing pattern of disregard for the standards and expectations established within this residential community.

The property has remained in continual violation of multiple covenants related to property maintenance and upkeep, including the accumulation of trash and debris, broken glass, and other conditions that create potential safety hazards.

In addition, the property has failed to comply with the landscaping requirements contained within the CC and Rs, specifically regarding the required maintenance and completion of the backyard area.

I would also note that Section 4.9 C of the subdivision C C and Rs prohibits any business activity that involves persons coming onto the building lot who do not own or occupy the building lot.

While I understand the enforcement of private covenants is not directly within the commission's authority, I believe the existence of the restriction further demon of this restriction further demonstrates that the proposed use is inconsistent with the original intent, expectations, and residential character of the subdivision.

Should reasonably call into question the applicant's future ability and willingness to comply with operational conditions, restrictions, and requirements that may be imposed by the planning and zoning committee as part of any conditional use permit.

There's also been repeated law enforcement activity associated with this residence.

Approximately 16 documented disturbances or police responses within the past four years since the resident has taken occupancy.

The incident count and general nature of these responses were obtained through a public records request submitted to NAMPA PD by myself.

According to these documents, uh the responses involved incidents related to aggravated assault, domestic disputes, resisting arrests, disturbing the peace, welfare checks, and missing person matters.

Additionally, a man who periodically resides in the home who has been listed in the reports, has been accused and arrested on suspicion of theft for breaking into vehicles in the neighborhood.

To my understanding, he is the individual the applicant is claiming no longer resides at the home.

This has been true in the past as well, and in at least one of the incidence reports I would obtain from the police department.

Beyond police activity.

Mr.

Chair time.

Okay.

Thank you.

No other signups.

Okay.

Is there anyone else that would like to speak on tomorrow?

Mr.

Chair, while the speaker comes up, may I make a um a proposal for the order of this particular hearing?

We do have a um translator interpreter here to afford a fair and meaningful opportunity to translate thoroughly so that they have a chance to rebut at the end.

May I propose that we add um an additional two minutes to each presenter and maybe some pauses intermittently.

Um we could have that interpreters just so the due process right for the applicant is uh fairly made.

Noted, appreciated.

Thank you.

I was gonna say we can get in two more minutes if you guys want that.

Think he's grandfather, Dan.

Sorry.

Mr.

Chair, um that would be appropriate.

Um if if there would be more time again for the interpreter, it's more for the applicant.

It's their due process right.

Um, an extra two minutes would be appropriate under these circumstances.

Okay.

I'm okay if he goes up again, is that all right?

Yeah, yeah.

I'll try to keep this last part free for sorry.

Um beyond the police presence, I have personally witnessed many situations that arise that have arisen from this that raised serious safety concerns for children in the area.

Um my wife witnessed last summer, children locked outside in the heat of summer when she went next door to contact the adults, they had no idea that the children were outside or that they were without water or locked outside in the middle of summer.

And on another occasion, two summers ago, the residents contacted me directly to assist in attempting to break into their car that was in the garage with children locked inside.

Additional, additionally, there have been safety concerns regarding the mental health and cognitive health struggles within the household.

Um, I don't bring that up to mischaracterize that.

However, the individual that the applicant has presented to us at many times as having mental health issues has thrown shovels, pickaxes, other yard tools into our yard.

Um, when my children and children of my um my friends have been in the backyard playing, and and it does cause a safety concern.

Um I recognize the stressful situations, isolated incidents can occur in any household.

However, when considered with the repeated police presence, ongoing covenant violations, and the nature of the this request to be a daycare related conditional use.

I believe these documented and personal observed incidents raise a legitimate concerns to regard regarding supervision, judgment, property conditions, and overall neighborhood safety impacts.

For these reasons, I ask you guys to deny the condition of the use permit.

Thank you.

It's not just a general extra two minutes, but to accommodate for gaps in time.

Sure.

And if you guys have questions along the way, we're ready to answer any questions too.

Um I'm the neighbor on the opposite side of the house.

So I'm 17062.

Uh we've been in the house for about four years.

It was your name along with the address.

My name is Zach Reitinger.

Um, my residence is 17062, North Gwinnett Avenue.

So if you're looking at the house, I'm the house directly to the left of them.

Uh as my neighbor was saying, there's been a lot of different problems that we've experienced with them uh since we've started.

Uh he said it a lot more eloquently than I did.

Um we've had cops called the house multiple times.

We've had SWAT enforcement, we've had people barricading the door.

Um, like he was saying, there's people that have brought things over our fence.

Uh we've had knives, we've had forks, we've had sandals, we've had shoes, we've had hangers uh thrown into our front yard.

Um, to our understanding, this is due to the grandmother.

Hold on, just so go ahead.

Sorry.

But I'm just waiting to go.

I'm kind of eyeballing the interpreter too.

Make sure he's he's catching up.

Looks like he's caught up.

Okay.

So with that, there's just been a lot of things that have been suspicious throughout there.

Um also we've had repeated offenses just with their children.

Um, whether it's a cultural barrier, whether uh there's a difference.

There's multiple times where the kids have been left outside of the house.

Uh, one incident.

Mr.

Chair.

The interpreter is asking for a sorry.

Oh, yeah, so I can hear me.

Sorry about that.

Um, can you hear me?

Okay.

Uh there's also been multiple times that the kids have been left outside of the house.

One that they mentioned was it was their two-year-old child that was left outside of the house for about 20 to 30 minutes before they even knew.

Um, and the child repeatedly was inside of the car honking on the horn to let them know that they were in there, and they still didn't get out of the house to go pick them up.

So, part of our like concern is one, their own welfare of their own children.

Uh, there's also been multiple times where their kids have been outside the second story window, uh hanging outside the second story window without a um the screen.

So uh, and then also multiple things that they mentioned about the backyard, it's still not finished and the front yard.

They leave tired to leave the other things inside of there.

So just with the way that they have approached uh their own residency shows their inadequacy of being able to take care of themselves and their own children.

Therefore, we deny the response of them starting a daycare uh taking care of other children because of putting them at risk.

Uh he also mentioned a couple of different people of the incidents of theft.

Uh there have been multiple different incidences of them having people of police being called.

Uh one, we had SWAT on our front lawn.

There was about five of them, and they all infiltrated the house, and they had to pull out the grandma because she couldn't understand, and there's a lot of other different issues with what we think is mental uh disorders, which potentially was considered schizophrenia based on the police report.

So again, this is going to be children in front of those people that are still involved in the house, as well as the people that were stealing and having theft.

So we think the character of the people that are in there uh would not be eligible to be able to have people in the background.

Um hopefully that was kind of a helpful synopsis of what they've been struggling with.

Um there's been lack of compliance throughout that too.

My neighbor kind of said it nicely, but there's a lot of times where they park in front of his house, they don't really disregard anything else, they've taken stuff out of his driveway.

Um they've done other things that are just unethical and just left stuff in front of the driveway as well.

So it is our position as being the neighbors that are both beside them uh that they do not allow the state care to happen.

So I don't know if you guys have questions for us or want to elaborate on anything.

I think so.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you, guys.

Is there anyone else that would like to testify for or against or undecided on this item?

Okay.

Can we get you guys to go ahead and come back up?

Okay, now it's basically her opportunity to rebut anything that's been said and give us her thoughts and feelings on the scale and a semester with your license.

Yeah, they said many things, yeah, most of which are not true.

Yeah, Jim and the same jam meaning, yeah, Nikonabato Atana and Abu we couldn't have a total in the injectron, and a child sometimes can sneak outside of the house, but it would only take a short time to know that the child is outside.

Yeah, now you cover Sema what kind of Fanya Kavio Tasaya at uh I cook on your police at Mtaku Kama with Alo Danium Ban.

And uh the person they are saying was making police come.

We are no longer having him there.

He is out of the house.

Even uh when we were living with him, he was a he was bothering us so much.

Yeah, Chengina Makana Simon Kat Mayani Nazanetunakataka Kama Bingini Nimayanigani and Ali Stemu what could catakimaya.

I I don't know what uh he they meant that uh the neighbors wouldn't want such uh daycare activity being done there.

Yeah, and I took a nasema to take party like I I don't know because maybe I don't I came from another country they think we don't know how to take care of children.

Yes, you come at chunga Nataka Kuchunga being a thing, always chung tenu na chungaba.

Yeah, you can't say I'm not able to take care of children when I'm already having children whom who depend on me for for care and protection.

Yes, so in that so I'm always in the injeta nicopada ki bauna job now it's a season see with uh even if you can have a day.

If you can allow me to have a daycare, there will never be a time when you shall see those children roaming outside.

Yeah, yeah, come on afanyakazu Nathawa Toto.

That's a job I would do, and I do it uh as good as I can.

Yeah, come on, see that the Kungovasana come when I was easy, come and party come in.

Like can you change in a chin here, but on any Macosa Tena Girani?

Now is that if uh my neighbors there's something that made it made them unhappy?

I uh we can always rectify that.

Yeah, I I'm happy for that opportunity and I'm done.

Okay, we have any questions?

Yeah, yeah, Mr.

Chair, I got a couple of questions, and these these are uh some clarifications of the NAPA fire department would like, and maybe it's been clarified.

But what are the anticipated ages of the children in this daycare?

From five years and above.

So to what age?

Like five to twelve or five days.

Yeah, twelve.

Up to twelve, yes.

Okay.

And then what hours of operation do you plan on operating the daycare?

It depends on the parents, what's the time they want to come and uh bring their children and come and take them back.

So it's just open to whenever the parents can get there to pick the kids up.

Yeah, yeah, but it depends on the parents.

Other questions, yeah, Mr.

Chair.

Yes.

Um will who lives at the home now and will they be there during the daycare operations?

It's me and my husband.

Her and her husband.

There's concerns with an individual that used to live there.

And it sounds like that individual.

Tell me if I need to pause.

That if that individual has left and come back before, what assurance can we have that they won't be back this time?

Uh well, you lamut a sida, equal catamu Gina Arikuana Arafuana Rudi.

Yeah, to the shong or fear, come at Mutaki Tena Kwa Juni Mukicho.

Generalitaka Kivede atana said my sumbuan josa to semi.

Yeah, we've we agreed uh I even talked to the health and welfare and uh told them I don't want him here because when he is here, I always have some headaches because he makes a lot of noise.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chair, can I follow up on that?

Is there a no contact order for this individual that he can't return to this, or is it just a no contact order?

There's a no contact order in place for this individual not to return to this home.

Yeah, I'm doing yes, it is there.

Okay.

Yeah.

Can you speak to the incidents of things being thrown over the fence?

And even my neighbor never even told me about it.

And does your grandma does the grandmother live there also?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay, so will she be there during the day also?

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, she'll be there.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chair, I move we close public opinion.

I move we close public opinion.

Uh public uh hearing hearing, thank you.

Public hearing.

Then move by Kirkman, seconded by Garner to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Public testimony is closed.

For our thoughts.

Um thoughts are that this should not be up to us.

There's a lot.

There's a lot going on here.

Um, Christie.

Mr.

Chair.

Um, if a CUP were issued, and this certain individual did return and police were called, could the CUP be revoked at that time?

I think I would defer to our attorney on that one.

I'd be happy to take the case.

He's ready for it.

Yeah.

I thought that might come up.

Um, in these situations, it's a conditional use permit.

Um the nature of this allows a little more latitude on conditions that can be imposed, hence the term conditional use permit.

Um, we heard evidence here stated into the record that wasn't refuted that this person has a no contact order.

Um a condition could be made hypothetically, where uh a person could be disallowed from the premise, it would need to be narrowly tailored.

What that means is it cannot be a blanket.

This person can never come on, the presence uh the the premises, but rather um during business hours, for example, right?

Um that that's an option that could be uh considered here in your deliberations.

I ask while you have the mic.

The the thing I'm struggling with is were the land use body, and is it okay for a daycare to be in this home?

Are we also able to judge whether or not this home is a good place to have a daycare?

Does that make sense the nuance?

Yeah, uh Chairman, and I'll defer also the planning and zoning here.

I may chime in just a little bit.

Um a conditional use permit by state uh code says it cannot be in conflict with the comprehensive plan.

Um as as was presented in the staff report, there's elements of the comprehensive plan, and I would refer to it looks like page eight of your packet, at least the one I'm looking at, um, that references that uh it is the purpose of the NAMPA comprehensive plan is to promote the health, safety, and what general welfare of the people of the city of NAMPA uh to protect the positive qualities and characteristics of the neighborhoods to ensure public safety, um, and so on and so forth there.

So yes, by uh the comp plan has to comprehend plan cannot be in conflict here uh with an approval.

Um so those are factors you can consider, but um there is a record here that's been built addressing that questions have been made to the applicant, feedback given back to you, and that's up for you to determine if the the health welfare has been addressed adequately as you see fit chair, and on that note, yes, the question was specifically asked what hours of operation, and the response was there's no set hours of operation, and that's the reason I asked that is if if we could condition that a particular individual not be there during hours of operation, the concern is that there's no hours of operation, it's whenever the parents can be there to pick the kids up.

And and that's what concerns me is that there's without those parameters in place.

How could we condition that uh and we don't know the individual?

We don't know the specific individual's name or anything like that.

So how could we condition something like that in a right?

And chairman, I may chime in on that too.

Um there's kind of a little wall here, right?

You guys are the decision, you know, the recommending body to glass one.

Um for that question, a condition could be imposed by you on hours of operation.

You don't you're not required or beholden to pre conditions they propose.

You can propose conditions you see fit that would make this compliant not in conflict with the comprehensive plan, and then it's up to the applicant or affected persons to decide if that's you know acceptable or not, and that's why there is appeals in that due process right there, everybody.

Chairman, well, we have you on the hot seat.

Keep them coming.

What do you got?

Looking at the history of the property, there were 16 visits by the NAPA police department, various agencies.

To me, that shows preponderance of evidence that this is not a safe environment for anybody, especially young children.

Applicant or affected persons to decide if that's you know acceptable or not and that's why there is appeals in that due process right to everybody chairman well we have you on the hot seat keep them coming what do you got looking at the history of the property there were sixteen visits by the NAPA police department various agencies to me that shows preponderance of evidence that this is not a safe environment for anybody especially young children uh they may witness something that will affect them the rest of their lives would that be bona fought reason to reject the application because of the past history of visits by the police department chairman commissioner keeho um unfortunately that's not a legal question for me to answer that's that's a decision for this body what you deem is that for you as the commissioner and commissioners collectively um enough right that that is a judgment call for this body to make not so much a legal question so unfortunately I can't weigh in on that we move would we be leaving the city open for legal recourse that'd be a better discussion in executive session setting rather than in the open um if there was a path that this can't this body or another were going down that was precarious legally um yeah I'd I'd be able to weigh in on that um but I think what you proposed here is really a judgment call based off the facts that were presented here to you so it boils down to a judgment call folks what do we think throw something out there and see if you guys feel the same way I I think we have two paths forward it's either to deny this based on the concerns we've heard tonight or to put enough conditions on this to alleviate the concerns and I'd like to know what you guys think between those two options.

Yeah Mr.

Chair I'm sorry I'm I'm in the back and I'm I can barely hear yes so okay you guys can speak into your mics that would say thanks okay we have to start over Rodney so I'll I'll say it again do I need to say what I said again Rodney please yeah um my opinion is we have two paths forward we can deny based on the concerns we've heard tonight or we can impose enough conditions to resolve those concerns I'd like to know what the temperature is of the commission of those two options.

So in the past I've said it before um sometimes when we get when we issue the CUP it offers the city more control over said situations and not specifically this but others that we've seen um in the past and it's hard for some people to understand but there's to a point the city can only be involved so much but if the C C UP is issued then the neighbors have a little more power because something can actually be done when they call it just a complaint to the police that will anything happen or not I don't know it's will anything happen what can they do just pull the conditional use permit?

Okay.

Which you know in a situation like this and to most people who apply for conditional use permit would be fairly impactful I would think in their life and clarify that yeah so I I agree with that process and I made that saying argument up here that it's better to have a conditional use permit that we can enforce than nothing.

I don't know if that applies here just because they won't be able to move forward without it.

Right well it's not like there's something that's out of compliance now that we would be able to bring into compliance which is a lot of times the case and I'm torn because daycare is a such a needed service in our community that I I try to think of any reason I can to support them but this has been the hardest one I've had to support we still haven't oh sorry good I don't think we still even addressed some of uh the concern I have is it's at the end of a small call to sack um how's that impact neighbors how do they even get in and out of their driveway if you look at the map and you look at how it is the uh parents coming if they pull in the driveway and people park the car run inside stay inside whatever if somebody has to leave they can't leave and that impacts them operating and using their home freely unencumbered you know for me I think there's just not enough um allaying of my fears about safety to granted I I'm leaning towards a denial just based on the fact that the safety concerns I don't think have been um addressed enough to to put children in that situation right there's one way that we

You know, uh for me, I think there's just not enough um allaying of my fears about safety to granted.

I I'm leaning towards a denial just based on the fact that the safety concerns I don't think have been um addressed enough to put children in that situation, right?

There's one way that we can you know protect them, and that's to not put them in that position.

Chairman, that's also my opinion.

Uh exactly I feel the same way.

Uh let's not even have the kids subjected to that kind of conditions in the first place.

If something if we let that have the condition permit and the idea that we'll deny it if something happens, it may be too late for some child.

I I just can't see you taking that chance.

I do have the concern with the kids being outside and the respondents answer that they snuck out.

How do we know that you know if they're already having issues like that to bring in other people's children?

I had to use daycare, so I know how important it is.

Mr.

Chair, uh to address uh Commissioner Morgan's two options.

I I don't know in this particular situation that we could put enough conditions on here to alleviate concerns and that those would be met.

And if those conditions weren't met, then certainly there's a process for uh neighbors or the public to come back to planning and zoning that says they're they're in violation of the conditions, but at that point, is it too late?

If it was if it was oh I was gonna say a dog, but if it was uh a non-living type of a situation where there were weeds growing up, and that you know that's a wholly different situation, but I do not feel comfortable based on the responses, the questions that have been asked, and the responses that I received, um even with the no contact order, because those certainly could be violated and they happen all the time, um, or that individual could come back, cause problems, and at that point it's too late.

And so I just just flat out do not feel comfortable approving this uh conditional use permit for this particular uh applic application and it and it really is based on uh the the comprehensive plan that part and I was looking at that before of is it in the best interest the general welfare protect this you know safety public safety?

Yeah, that's certainly within our purview, and I think this is this is one application that is that ride right into that that lane understood so I'll go if there's no other comments, Mr.

Chair.

I'll go ahead and move to deny the project based on that um it does not comply with the comprehensive plan and protecting the public due to the situation, the particular situation in this application it's been moved to deny by Kirkman, seconded by Kehoe.

Let's do a roll call.

Aye, Copeland.

Aye, Morgan, yes, Keyhoe?

Aye, Kirkman?

Aye, Miller, aye, Garner, aye.

Motion carries.

Okay.

Application has been denied.

Mr.

Chair, do you have do you uh just I quick clarification?

Do you read a statement that they have the uh can they appeal this CUP to the city council?

Is that an option for them that they need to know about?

Yes, it is.

Okay.

State that they can appeal it.

Yeah, so yeah, if you if you would like to appeal our decision to city council, you're more than welcome to do so.

And you can speak with staff on how to do that.

What clean next?

Oh okay.

We'll go ahead and move into item three-2 conditional use permit for a duplex in an RS6 zoning district uh addressed as 2212 airs.

Excuse me, just one second, I'm sorry.

For the previous item, but do you understand what was the decision and and what I think he's wondering what do we do now?

Like I'm sorry.

She didn't understand what that maybe I guess we just clarify that.

Mr.

Chairman, I'd recommend have the applicant speak with staff and they can explain the process in more detail on their own time.

Yeah.

Okay.

So staff's gonna come up and just and just take it out a little bit and explain it a little bit more.

Thank you, Commissioner.

Okay, three-two conditional use permit for duplex and RS6 2212 Airs Drive for Brandon and Keys and Nathan or the is the applicant here.

Okay, go and come on up.

Sorry.

Brandon Naphan 22 12 Aries Drive.

Um thank you for hearing me today.

Appreciate the opportunity.

Um as stated uh in here uh looking for uh converting a non-compliant triplex that my wife and I purchased.

Um we are living in there now, and uh to convert it into a compliant uh duplex based on um previous uh applications I know going through with this property that the facts are the same, but it's the first time for us as the new owners to come in and uh make a compliant uh duplex and uh it's just our family in there, and so we waited um of course for this this committee and so based on our conversations from the uh pre-approval process that we've had.

Uh we'd like to proceed with our request.

Okay, thank you.

We'll call you back up if we have questions.

Thank you.

Ms.

Fry Good evening, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioners.

My name is Candice Fry, Associate Planner for the City of Napa.

The request before you this evening is a conditional use permit for a duplex in the RS6 zoning district.

Original concept is conversion of a non-permitted and non-compliant triplex into a compliant and permitted duplex.

Property details.

I wanted to highlight some new information that was not correct in the staff report, but I want to make note of that here.

Current jurisdiction, the property is currently within NAPA city limits and is zoned RS6, single family residential.

All surrounding zoning is zoned RS6, and the comp plan is medium density residential.

So some property history in March of 2024, conditional use permit was approved for a duplex on this property by the previous owner.

They did have multiple extensions, but that conditional use permit expired in December of 2025.

In February of 2026, the pre-ap a pre-application meeting was held with the city with the new owners to create a legal duplex.

And then in March of 2026, a conditional use permit was applied for from the new owners of this property, and that brings us to today.

Showing that a duplex needs a conditional use permit in the RS zone.

This slide also includes some general information regarding conditional use permits.

And then below is the criteria for a conditional use permit.

Here are the setback requirements for the RS zone.

Also included is the lot size requirement for the RS6 zoning district at the bottom in orange.

So for something like this, two per two parking spots per dwelling unit on a single property, and at least one space shall be covered or enclosed in the RS zone.

Staff analysis, change of ownership.

The new property owner purchased the property with full knowledge that a triplex is not an allowed use.

A CUP is required for a duplex, and the structure is not currently co-compliant as a duplex.

Property size, a duplex requires a minimum of 6,000 square feet.

In area of land, this property is currently 0.25 acres or a little over 10,000 square feet.

Setbacks, this property will be required to meet the appropriate setbacks for the RS zoning district.

Compatibility, there is an existing duplex in the immediate immediate vicinity of the project.

Parking, it appears that there are two single-car garages on the property facing Aries Drive that are currently existing on the property.

And this meets the requirement for the two dwelling units.

Correspondents, we did not receive any public comments.

Applicable utility connection and engineering inspection fees are to be paid upon approval of and prior to receiving any building permits.

And then NAMPA building department, building department provided a list of some of the improvement improvements that will be required as part of the building permit process to convert the building to a duplex.

And Sean from the building department is here if you have any questions regarding that.

Proposed findings below again is the conditional use permit criteria and some of the facts.

More facts that I wanted to highlight and bring to your attention.

This one regards lot size and then conversion of the existing home to a duplex must follow the building and fire standards and approved codes as a part of the building permit.

And then this project does not change the existing economic impact to the area and is not detrimental to the general welfare.

Weighing the facts and department and agency input.

The proposed use is supported by the comprehensive plan.

It is in the medium density residential designation with appropriate zoning that allows a duplex with an approved conditional use permit.

It must follow all city codes and standards at the time of building permit.

The proposed use will be served adequately by essential public facilities and services.

Services are already provided to the property and will continue to be served to the new unit.

The proposed project will not be detrimental to any person's property or general welfare by reason of excessive traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glare, or odors.

It will be required to complete the process for converting the home to a duplex in according in accordance with the standards in place for obtaining a building permit.

Here are the conditions of approval as listed in your staff report.

Here are the potential motions, and I will stand for any questions, Mr.

Chair.

I promise this will be quick.

The existing duplex in the vicinity, immediate vicinity.

Is that like next door or where can you show us on the map where that might be?

I'm just wondering how close is immediate vicinity, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioner.

I don't have a great map, but it is right next door.

Oh duplex.

There's a lot of color on that one.

That's the best one I got.

Thanks.

Okay.

That would suffice for immediate vicinity.

Any other questions right now?

Okay.

No sign out.

Is there anyone that would like to speak for against or undecided on this particular item?

Okay, seeing none.

Is there anything you'd like to add?

No.

Okay.

Make a motion we close the public hearing.

Second.

Then moved by Garner, seconded by Kehoe to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

Any opposed?

Okay, public hearings closed.

Thoughts on this one?

Seems pretty easy.

I just gonna say it's a lot easier than the last one.

He wants to bring it into compliance and he's here to ask for that permission to do it.

Yep.

And there's one right next door.

Yeah, yeah.

So I don't see a big deal at all.

Do you want to bring up the motions again?

Pretty pleased.

Mr.

Chair, I move to approve the project as presented.

Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Okay.

This conditional use permit will become effective 15 calendar days from the date.

The written decision and reason statement is provided to the applicant unless an appeal has been filed with the planning and zoning department with the appropriate fee.

No action should be taken on this CUP until the appeal period has concluded.

The applicant must confirm with the planning and zoning staff that there have been no appeals.

Okay.

Next, item 3-3.

Annexation and zoning at zero Midway Road to RA zoning district and zero Iowa Avenue to RS 7 zoning district and potential development agreement for Brecon Land Design.

Greg Davis representing Grace Quible Church of Nampa, Idaho.

Is the applicant here?

Yep.

All right.

Good evening.

Can you guys hear me?

Okay.

My name's Becky Azagari.

Um my address is 6661 North Lenwood, Gardens City, Idaho, 83714.

Um, so good evening.

Um behalf of Grace Bible Church.

Um, let's see, I'm gonna there we are.

Um I'm here to present applications for annexation zoning for two parcels to help facilitate the development um of a new church building.

Um so tonight we are asking uh you to recommend approval for annexation and zoning of two parcels located at Lake Lowell in Midway.

Parcel A is our pathway to annexation, and parcel B is where Grace Bible Church hopes to call home.

Um this application requests annexation and zoning for two parcels.

Parcel A, which is under separate ownership from parcel B, is requesting R7 zoning and and currently has no plans for development.

Parcel B is requesting RA zoning to allow for the development of Grace Bible Church.

The church plans to construct a 88,479 square foot two-story building to accommodate up to 1,300 seats per code.

Um 347 parking stalls are required.

However, the project will initially provide 690 stalls with two designated future parking areas accommodating an additional 210 for a total build-out of 900 parking stalls.

The church is also planning to provide um 7.5 acres of usable open space and will accommodate two baseball fields and a soccer field.

Um here are the conceptual building elevations.

Um the building has been designed with varied materials, um, articulated facades and changes in building planes to reduce the visual massing.

The floor plan emphasizes flexibility, community gathering, and efficient use of space to serve both church members and the surrounding community.

The proposed zoning map amendment meets the review criteria by the by remaining consistent with a comprehensive plan, maintaining compatibility with surrounding residential uses, and providing a community serving church campus that preserves the area's suburban character through open space, landscaping, buffering, and recreational amenities.

That's all I got for you guys.

I'll stand for some questions.

Any questions?

No.

Okay, not right now.

We'll call you back up.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman and Commissioners.

My name's Terry Friend, associate planner with the City of Nampus Planning and Zoning Department.

So our requested action item for the commission tonight is a recommendation to City Council for an application for annexation and zoning at zero Midway Road to RA or suburban residential zoning, and zero Iowa Avenue to RS7 single family residential zoning district, and a potential development agreement.

The applicant is proposing annexation and zoning to allow for the development of a new Grace Bible Church facility on the 23.4 acre parcel that's at the northwest corner of Midway Road and Lake Lowell Avenue, and a future residential subdivision on a five-acre parcel on the southeast corner of the intersection.

Both parcels are currently under Canyon County jurisdiction on the comprehensive plan future land use map.

The large parcel is designated as very low density residential, and the smaller property is designated medium density residential.

Much of this area surrounding the parcels is in agricultural use.

Some of the comments include corrections to be made to some legal descriptions that have been provided, that the property is served by Midway Road, which is a collector with a 45 mile an hour speed limit, and Lake Lowell Avenue, which west of Midway is also classified.

Sorry.

There will be right of way dedication required adjacent to both Midway and Lake Lowell.

The applicant will be required to complete frontage improvements at the time of development.

The proposed development will likely meet the threshold to require a traffic impact study.

There is domestic water sewer and pressurized irrigation service nearby.

Any on-site well and septic systems will need to be abandoned, and will request their conditions of approval on later slides.

They've also pointed out that state law requires that drainage or irrigation ditches that cross this property must remain unobstructed and protected, and that it's the owner and developers' responsibility to contact those neighboring properties regarding protection of those facilities.

Code compliance did not find any violations at the time of evaluation.

NAMPA Fire District also does not oppose the application.

They indicate that their nearest fire station is fire station six.

It's about two miles away, and they would anticipate a response time of five minutes.

Highway district number four is the one that serves this property, and they had quite a bit to say about it.

Let's see.

Anything else is responsibility of the city.

So they do not allow any cuts in the roadway within five years of a rebuild like that.

So any utility extensions that would affect Midway Road must be bored.

They also comment that they would recommend that we collect impact fees to serve new growth in the vicinity because there is no money in their budget.

And that they do request that the access for Grace Bible Church come from Lake Lowell Avenue, and that they will be part of the review process for any access or utility permits that would be needed.

We did receive two public written public comments.

Mr.

Strandberg indicated a general support for the construction of Grace Bible Church, but he did inquire about any improvements planned for the Midway intersection, potentially a roundabout, was his question.

I did have an opportunity to correspond with him just briefly in an attempt to answer that in my not traffic oriented way.

Also concerned about impact fees charged with development and the overall quality of life.

So again, back to just accepting an application for annexation.

We've met these criteria, and then the actual decision about annexation is a legislative decision.

But the property parcels proposed for annexation do meet the criteria outlined in state code because the property owners have given consent to annex.

We see that in the affidavits of legal interest that are provided.

The project area is contiguous with city limits on the south and the east, where the smaller parcel abuts the RS7 zone parcels in the Carriage Hill West subdivision.

So that's their connection to be contiguous.

The proposed parcels are located in the NAMPA's area of impact that's detailed in our comprehensive plan.

And the proposed zoning matches the very low density and medium density residential designations respectively.

And they comply with the MOU for the for the highway.

All right.

And then we come to facts regarding zoning to sorry.

Zoning to RA.

These are detailed in your staff report and they're listed here.

But in conclusion, the proposed zoning for the property at the northwest corner of Midway is in harmony with the comprehensive plan and the future land use map, as well as the Southwest NAMPA specific area plan and its land use map.

Because the proposed zoning district is a permitted zone under the designation of VLDR, the very low density residential.

And it establishes an area of RA that will be compatible with future and existing zoning in the surrounding area.

A church is a use that complies with the allowed uses in the RA zoning district according to the schedule of land use.

And the conclusion, the proposed RS7 zoning for the property at the southwest corner of Midway and Lake Lowell is in harmony with the city's comprehensive plan and future land use map because it will be compatible with the future and existing zoning in the area because the RS7 is the primary the permitted zone within the medium density residential land use designation.

The residential subdivision right next door is also RS7, so it should be reasonably compatible with those adjoining properties.

Those are listed in your staff report and on the next three slides.

Just to toss those out there for somebody who might want to pause the video.

And there are your potential motions.

No, but I would point out Terry on several of our slides, it's showing zero Iowa Avenue.

Should those all be like Lowell?

No.

Or it is Iowa.

It is, and I think that's because the original development starts at zero Iowa and Carriage Hill carries most of that, but I double-checked it really is the address of the parcel according to county records.

A little bit deceptive.

I uh but not intentionally.

Not intentionally, not on my part, anyways.

It just it was the way it was.

Uh Mr.

Chair, just uh I don't know if you'll be able to answer this question if I might, but when we look at um projects that are approved for RS7 zones and churches, one of those or religious worship.

Do we ever did we ever think about considering the size of a church in an in a zone like this?

I mean, this is a this and I and I admire the faith of those that attend Grace Bible Church just by the sheer numbers that it looks like this church will accommodate.

But honestly, sometimes that will come into play.

And I don't know if that was that ever considered when we were looking at changing this code or even the please.

Yeah, I saw Daniel jump up real quick, so I wasn't sure if he had a yes, thank you, Commissioner.

Um Danny would like to answer that question.

So a number of years ago, uh, back when Robert and Norm were here, there was a Supreme Court case that dealt with churches and zoning.

Was that Ralupa?

Uh, yeah.

Well, it was at the federal level, if I remember correctly, and it we had to change the code to allow churches in all zones.

So the size doesn't matter.

Size does not matter.

Is that recorded?

I hope that wasn't recorded.

And just for additional clarification.

Just for additional clarification.

The church is on the upper left parcel there, and they are requesting the RA zoning.

In the RA zoning, we're talking at least an acre.

So it's a little bit sixes for this particular application.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Okay.

Thank you.

Do we have a sign-up sheet?

We do.

We have one Amy Bowman.

Good evening, Chair and Commissioners.

My name is Amy Bowman, and I reside at 1623 West Orchard Avenue in NAMPA.

First, let me thank each of you for your service to our community.

A sentiment you may not often hear from the podium.

But I did want to express my gratitude for the time that you give for the betterment of our community.

I am speaking in favor of the annexation before you tonight, which meets our own annexation and zoning amendment requirements.

Um, and aligns with our comprehensive plan and NAMPA's impact area.

As you may or may not know, the history of NAMPA is deeply rooted in faith.

When NAMPA was founded 140 years ago on September 8th, 1886, many of its founding fathers were deeply religious, and NAMPA soon got the nickname New Jerusalem.

Fast forward to today, the City of NAMPA's vision statement is that NAMPA is a caring community where people live, work, play, worship, and raise their families.

I don't know many cities actually still include worship in their statements.

The annexation before you tonight is an opportunity to support those of us in the community who value worship and seek to worship in our hometown of NAMPA.

And I am a fifth-generation Idahoan, born and raised, love NAMPA.

I grew up in Parma, but NAMPA is my home.

Um so the um this um the sign behind you in God We Trust is a reflection of our community's values and our national protection for the freedom of religion.

Grace Bible Church is not only a place to gather on Sunday, it is a wellspring of life and a blessing to our community.

They are not this it's not just a place of worship in our city, but it is a place for our city.

They have donated thousands of dollars and maybe even more to a variety of nonprofits in our community, and hundreds, if not at least a thousand of NAMPA residents attend Grace Bible Church.

In short, I hope the decision before you tonight will be an easy one.

It's not a subdivision, so that's good.

I believe it meets all the legal requirements for approval, and you will hear much more from others tonight in support of the annexation.

Thank you for voting to approve this annexation and zoning amendment request tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman and members of the commission.

My name is Tony McCreary.

I'm from 1501 Lone Star Road in Nampa.

As executive pastor, I am speaking on behalf of Grace Bible Church.

Thank you for the opportunity to share briefly why annexation of this property property into the city of NAMPA is important for us.

Grace Bible Church is fully dedicated to serving the people of NAMPA.

In fact, our our outreach motto is for our city, and that phrase truly reflects the hearts of our people.

For many years, our congregation has invested time, resources, and volunteers into supporting individuals, families, and community efforts throughout NAMPA.

We see ourselves not simply as a local uh uh as a local neighborhood presence, but as an organization committed to the well-being of our city as a whole.

Our request for annexation reflects that commitment.

We strongly desire for our future church home to be located within city NAPA City proper so that our involvement is clearly recognized as being for this city, partnering with Napa, investing in NAPA, and serving NAMPA for the long term.

Being within city limits allows us to more fully participate as active and accountable and accountable community partners alongside the city, local organizations, and surrounding neighborhoods.

We believe this property is well suited for that purpose.

We are committed to developing developing it responsibly in a manner that respects the surrounding neighborhoods and aligns with the city's long-range vision.

Our goal is to not simply build a facility, but to establish a lasting presence that will serve the city of Napa for many years to come.

Thank you for your time, your service to our community, and your thoughtful consideration of the annex of this annex request.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Go ahead and come on out.

Good evening, Chairman and Commissioners.

Thank you for listening to me.

I am Jim Waterhouse.

I reside at 115-18 West Vinsanto Drive in NAMPA.

I am uh a member of the uh homeowners of Carriage Hill West.

We're not opposed to the city providing this annexation.

We are opposed to making sure we are we are strongly recommending that the city provide the adequate services and traffic relief prior to doing so.

Uh I'm a good old Nazarene boy from Weaser, and we look at churches and we say, okay, we could tell attendance by counting cars.

On a good Sunday, two people per cars.

Count the cars, that's how many people are there.

Sometimes three is an excellent Sunday.

But I I'd like to in their own plan, they plan for 900 cars at full build-out.

The intersection at midway and uh Lake Lowell has accidents all the time.

It's not probably noted in the city because it's not city property right now.

That's the line.

Carriage Hill West Homeowners Association has been asking for a traffic impact study in our neighborhood and on Lake Lowell for over a year.

It's been promised.

Your city streets works department has not done that.

They've said they would, they've never provided it.

It's not been posted.

As you're probably aware, we want you to look at the the community as a whole, not just one thing.

You uh the planning and zoning has uh approved a four, I think it's 44 unit uh condo down on uh uh mid middleton and lake lowell.

That's an impact.

There's I don't know if it's been approved, but it's been submitted.

You're working on a plan for 110 homes at Midway and uh Iowa, just a couple blocks from there.

The impact is going to be tremendous, and we have, if not weekly, every couple of weeks there's accidents at that corner.

It's a four-way stop.

Uh even the the highway district said uh, you know, we're not gonna do anything for five years, and it is a good road.

Midway is a good road if you can get through the stop and goes.

We said multiple times.

Everyone's probably aware here on this commission that uh Middleton and Lake Lowell is is, you know, we've approved many businesses.

It's a good area.

We like the area, but it is not adequately maintained.

I was speaking just recently with uh one of my classmates at my 50th reunion from Northwest Nazarene, Tom Dale, you might know him, and he says, what happens is you can't make any change anything that's not uh connected to their property.

So people build these things so you know they leave a corner off here or there so they don't have to do traffic improvements.

We would like to request, we're not opposing the uh uh the HOA is not a carry H West is not opposing the annexation.

What we're opposed, what we're asking to do is have some conditions.

Mr.

Chair Time.

Please do a traffic survey.

Please make sure the services are in place.

We can't get the response time now.

Irrigation is too low, we're losing uh our lawn because we can't get the the pressure up out there.

And uh I would thank you.

I appreciate your time and uh thank you.

And uh thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Go ahead and come on.

Hi, my name is uh Steve Novak.

I live in uh Carrich Hill West, uh 12589 South Miramonte.

Um so I heard you say there was no roundabout planned, so my my comment has to do with similar to Jim's is that you know we we can see that the uh church annexed into the city of um NAMPA, however, with conditions and my biggest concern is from my 40 plus years in civil engineering design is is traffic and 900 parking stalls just red flag to me is you know that and all we have is stop signs everywhere.

So how's that gonna work?

I know I know the services are staggered a little bit, however, it's still 900 vehicles and no roundabout plan.

You know, you plan for worst case design, what's gonna happen in five, ten years?

How are we gonna handle that traffic?

And you know, with more subdiv subdivisions coming.

I I think I think that I'm in favor of a church, but looking at the NAMPA 2050 visioning statement, I've taken care of all those questionnaires and polls.

Number one thing was people wanted quality of life, slower pace, small town feel, and uh most loved asset uh, you know, assets was uh rural charm, farmland.

To me, this development is excessive.

I think if it was half the size or a third of the size, probably wouldn't have a problem.

You know, you're speaking of zoning, residential um was it regular residential single family, right?

R zoning.

So that's one acre per one unit or one parcel per acre, correct?

Or two and a half two and a half parcels if it's a cluster development subdivision, correct?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that the right zoning?

So if you do the math, and even if you take the worst case scenario, two and a half subdivisions, two two cars each, you know, you talk 50, 60 cars, as opposed to worst case scenario 900.

I mean you can see the concern here.

So what else is there?

Oh, so if there was a roundabout install installed and a reduced parking stall amount, that would help, and maybe even right turn pockets in so that you can get the cars off of Lake Lowell Avenue quickly and into the uh parking lot.

That would help if you decide to accept the uh 900 stalls.

Um what else?

Oh, I did notice on the preliminary site plan, they show in the two driveways, they showed two egress lanes and one ingress lane.

Probably should be the other way around.

You probably want to get the cars off of Lake Lowell Avenue as quickly as possible so it doesn't impact those of us who are driving it and aren't going to that public, you know, to that parking lot.

So just some suggestions and observations.

Mr.

Chair Time.

Thank you.

Okay, that's it.

Thank you.

Hi, good evening.

Uh David Gerston, 11929, West Kill A Drive.

Uh, thank you, Chair and Commissioners.

Um, I too am a resident of Carriage Hill West.

Um, I am also a board member of the HOA.

Uh one of our additional concerns is more so um again, we are in favor of the church with certain conditions as spoken earlier, but the RS7 property as currently not being shared what the development is going to be.

We understand what RS7 is, that is our neighborhood is as well.

Um, but we do have a lot of problems with neighboring parcels.

Uh spyglass ridge tends to come into our facility, uses our pool, uses our parks, lets their dogs trample on our on our public areas.

Um we are in touch with the applicant though, so we want to make sure that we are just putting it out on record that we are concerned about neighboring properties and sharing resources.

Um you know, I know there's limited access limited control that the commission can do with that, but if there is any way to control right of access between neighboring properties and things like that, is something we'd like to consider.

Thank you.

Thank you.

My name is Keith Wagner, address 16702 Artist Avenue, Caldwell, Idaho.

And uh first of all, uh Chairman, Commissioners, thanks for the opportunity to be heard tonight.

I am uh very biased, obviously.

I'm the lead pastor at Grace Bible Church, and I am used to having a timer right in front of me uh so you can get in and out.

But I appreciate the opportunity to be considered.

Obviously, I'm uh I'm hoping this annexation is allowed.

And I also appreciate uh each person from Carriage uh Hill West that's that is uh spoken.

Thank you for sharing that.

Well, one of our things has always been we want to be good neighbors.

Uh we understand that sometimes uh, you know, even as as a growing church, uh, you know, Sunday is our big that's that's that's our big day.

But what we've tried to do, even as we have planned this, is to be as uh you know as considerate as we can of the community.

Living here since 2004, moving, I moved, I grew up in a small farming town in Indiana, lived in Cincinnati, came here, loved Idaho, I loved, I loved what made NAMPA NAMPA.

And we want to be part of contributing to keeping NAMPA the great place it's been, whether that's been well, whether that's through our sports ministries, whether that's through the use of our facilities by the community, we want to be good neighbors.

And I know that here tonight, I know that we have several here from Grace Bible Church.

I don't know if everybody's planning to testify.

I'm kind of all about efficiency, so maybe not, but I I know that the several of you are are here.

We are uh we're excited about what uh you know what what can happen here.

We're excited about what this is gonna allow us to do for the city of Napa.

And so I just want to say thank you for considering approving this this annexation, and we're looking forward to what takes place over the next several years as we continue to show you what uh uh hopefully prove what it looks like to be forced city.

Thanks so much.

Mr.

Chairman, yes, I have a question.

There's a quick question for you.

Yes, sure.

Where is your church currently located?

It's at 1415 Lone Star.

Lone Star and where?

Uh here in Middle.

It's between it's between Midland and Middleton.

Southside of where they never go, and you do you so if you know where Lone Star Middle School is, we're we're just we're we're just past Middleton going that direction.

I don't know if you don't know what any reason but I want to find out what it was.

Um how often do you meet?

Uh for our services.

Right now, we right now we have a sun a Saturday evening service, and uh part of the reason we need to move is we currently have five Sunday services.

Okay, so you have five on Sundays, one on Saturday, if you have any other days.

Uh I mean we you know, youth will meet there on Wednesdays, but actually uh the plan would be currently to keep our our facility that the youth will probably still meet there on Wednesdays.

So primarily it's gonna, you know, our main use outside of staff, of course, throughout the week offices would be Saturday.

They don't all come to the same service.

You have some coming.

That's correct.

So it's not gonna be 600 people at any one particular service.

Well, you mean right now?

Or are you talking about when we move into the facility?

New facility.

We move into the the new facility.

Yeah, we'll probably have I know we'll have over 600 people for a service.

Six times during the week.

You like oh no, no, not six times.

I'm sorry.

That's just what we're currently doing.

This is going to be nearly uh two and a half to two to three quarters the size of our current facility.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Anything else?

Okay.

Anyone else?

A few.

Go ahead.

Come on.

Hi, my name is Mary Kaywood.

Kind of saw my name up there once in a while.

I'm the one, I'm the trustee of the five-acre lot or 4.99 acres.

Uh a joint across the way.

And I just wanted you to know that I've lived in that area all my life.

Did you give us your address?

Uh currently 3524 Taton Drive.

I got married and moved across town.

Um, but Carriage Hill West was my dad's farm.

And um the five acres is what we pulled out of it.

We were hoping to do um.

We just, you know, to tell you the truth, we don't know what we're doing on that property yet, although it's designed to do houses.

And uh at this point, we just wanted to go ahead and get it into the city, hopefully be able to uh draw more attention to it.

But just letting you know that was me.

I've been there all my life.

Thank you.

Okay.

Good evening.

My name is Sheila Reynolds, and I reside at 914 North Midland Boulevard here in Nampa.

We moved back to Nampa when we started attending the church in 2009.

We were in Immitt at that time, but we would drive over every Sunday and every Wednesday and come to church.

It was so impactful for us to have a church that we fell in love with.

And um, we moved here in 2011, and the church was probably 125, 150 people, maybe.

And it uh it was used to be a school, so it had a small sanctuary of 200, maybe 250 at the most, and then a gymnasium on the other side, and so that's the way the church was built originally.

But as we got here and we got a new pastor, it began to grow, and God brought people more and more.

And then we I used to play the piano, so we had to do two services, and so okay, I was okay with that.

But then when it outgrew that, went to three services.

Um we got a new uh music person and his wife played, so I did not have to do three, but it went to four, but we've done everything to accommodate as many people.

They redid the upstairs and made it a balcony of sorts so that if you see it's an extra hundred people, we've added as many chairs as the fire department will allow, and still uh it's just overflowing.

And we we bought three shuttle buses because people can park down at the uh excuse me, at the school, middle school, and they are shuttled down there so we don't have to have that many more cars.

We've done everything we can in that area to facilitate, but the growth keeps coming.

We don't go out and ask people to come.

God sends people to us.

I don't know how to explain it any other way.

I've never been in the church that's grown that way, and the Lord's at work in our church, and he's blessing our city because of that church.

So I'm hoping that you will annex that and we can move on with our plans.

So I I know there's a problem always with traffic at every corner in every area of Napa.

I sit in those lines as well.

I don't live in Carriage Hill, but coming out of our park, I was at 55 plus and coming out of there.

Uh the traffic is lined up.

We can even not even get out of our thing into the turn lane and wait until the light turns so we can finally get out.

I understand the traffic everywhere.

So I just I know that's a consideration, but it's not gonna change until Napa can fix them all.

I don't know any other answer.

But anyway, what appreciate your votes tonight?

Thank you.

Next I asked me now, you just tell them next.

I'm just saying next.

My name is Andre Hurtak, 11675, West of In Santos.

I'm also in Carriage Hill West, and uh I'm neither or against the annex of this development.

Um, but I would like to ask for City of Nampa to temporarily hold any old residential track developments and construction anywhere from six months to a year, as Middleton did in 2022.

You know, they took this measure because of concern over the lack of adequate road construction and necessary infrastructure.

I mean, you guys keep approving all these giant tracks and the roads and the traffic is just trash here.

You know, I mean you guys just keep approving and approving without doing infrastructure first.

I mean, it's kind of a joke, honestly.

I'm not sure what you're gonna have the developer do to improve the roads, but something got me something got mentioned that there's no plan for five years for roundabouts.

I mean, but you keep approving.

It's kind of weird thing.

I mean, even City of Eagle has done this, they put a hold on high density housing, and uh are doing downsizing and efforts to um you know restrict future residential developments, mostly single family homes, just and possibly increase um house values, property values instead of cramming tight homes into a tight area.

I mean, that brings crime, you um, and um possibly crime, unwanted traffic, congestion.

So I would just strongly advise or ask, ask you guys to hold off and really consider what you're gonna be approving.

homes just and possibly increase um house values property values instead of cramming tight homes into a tight area I mean that brings crime um and um possibly crime unwanted traffic congestion so I would just strongly advise or ask ask you guys to hold off and really consider what you're gonna be approving things good evening Casey McGrew I live at 13139 South Midway Road born and raised in Nampa and uh the property that the church is planning on going on uh was in my family my grandma and her siblings own that property uh my great grandpa uh helped homestead all that out there um so it's really cool to see what it is out there um having it be a church is far better than it being the houses um so that would be my recommendation uh highway district four did build that amazing road uh midway is awesome now um my wife and I walk it every night um the the lights there was flashing lights um on midway and they were super annoying uh highway district board did do a study uh there was not enough crashes that had happened at Lake Lowell and Midway uh to warrant those lights and so they thankfully took them down um about three months ago uh so I don't have yellow flashing lights in my house anymore at night which is amazing unless there's an inversion and then they uh stopped working because they were solar so that was awesome um to to some of the other comments that have been made um houses I would highly recommend the denial of those I do not know what's planning on being done further down midway or on Lake Lowell west of the church but um as far as um the church going in the the amount of traffic that happens on a daily basis on Midway Road has gotten uh far far worse and thankfully midway dead ends right there as you're getting close to the golf course um but uh it just it can't handle a ton thankfully a church is only you know busy on Sundays uh so um I'd much rather see see it that way plus on Easter Sunday uh I don't have to find a parking spot anymore just don't put a fence in uh but that's that's uh that's what I've got it's I think um for the the land use it's a great opportunity for it thank you anybody else okay last call like to come back up thank you Mr.

Mazer okay so I'm gonna rope Daniel into the conversation um and kind of ask him to chat about um the future roads roundabouts all the things out there either way I guess if it helps her case uh Mr.

Chair Daniel Badger City engineer the church uh we've had discussions with them they will be required to do a traffic impact study they're of a size that that will be required that will look at the intersections um adjacent there and out um per the city's policies it will look at turn lanes that are necessary and all of those types of things to identify uh just like Cherry Chills West and the other subdivisions as they've gone in they do traffic studies and it identifies the impacts that they have and the mitigations that they're required to do the church will do a the same process and if uh improvements are triggered they will be required to complete that as part of their construction um looking at the I did look at the um while we were waiting uh the accident history in the area the uh intersection of Midway and uh Lake Lowell has three accidents in the last five years looking at the other accidents around there um you know that's that there's nothing there that um jumps out to me as a high accident history issue that is the state data so that is all law enforcement um pools their data in there so that is a accurate representation of all uh accidents that have happened that have been reported um if they're unreported accidents obviously we don't have those numbers but um those are pretty the those are not common um of any kind of severity thank you thank you Daniel um so um and um response to the RS7 we're not proposing development at any you know at this time um so that's um not on the table right now um I just want to point out also that this is not a subdivision it's a church so the operating hours

Thank you.

Thank you, Daniel.

Um so um and um response to the RS7.

We're not proposing development at any, you know, at this time.

Um so that's um not on the table right now.

Um I just want to point out also that this is not a subdivision, it's a church, so the operating hours are a little bit different, the traffic movements are gonna be a little bit different, you know.

Um, as a lot of folks have said, you know, um that the church will generate peak activity on Sunday mornings primarily, and then you know, throughout the day, um, you know, folks will come and go, but um it's generally on Sunday on you know non-peak hour um times, um and and so the there won't be a conflict between you know the the commuter traffic and and the church traffic.

Um let's see what else.

Um and then just generally churches are an awesome place for the community.

I live next to her church, and um yeah, I'm I'm not a church member, um, but I I do I go we have the the neighborhood, I mean neighborhood association has you know our neighborhood um kind of our party at the church, you know, and even if you're not a member, you can go and you know it's just it's a really cool community gathering spot.

Um there's a bunch of uh baseball fields at at this place, and you know, I we we go there and you know a lot of us will just kind of congregate and talk, and that's it's a place for the neighbors to kind of like just talk about what's going on.

Um so churches are a great asset to the community, um, and I ask that you recommend approval.

Thanks.

No.

Okay.

Make a motion that we close the public hearing.

Second.

It's been moved by Garner, seconded by Kirkman to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay, public hearing is closed.

I'll say that I'm in favor of this.

I wish they would consider doing more neighborhood business on these little courtesy.

All right.

Um try again.

Um I'm generally in favor of this.

It meets the comp plan.

Um it's some green space out there, it's a gathering spot as the applicant stated, which I like.

Um I do wish that the RS7 was.

I wish we would do more neighborhood business pockets at these intersections.

Um just to alleviate traffic into other parts of town, but I don't have any reason to vote against it for that reason.

Just maybe a general encouragement to staff to start encouraging more of that kind of stuff.

But I'm in favor of it.

And I I am in agreement.

I think sometimes um it's a hard, it's a harder sell than an RS 7 for staff, just because simply a lot of people don't understand what that could potentially bring to them, what benefit it is.

Um I think we kind of understand.

Um, but we've talked about it a lot more than most people talk about it.

So we understand some of the benefits, but uh I'm in agreement.

I I I like it.

I like the fact that there's a lot of green space, and I like the fact that the church is willing to share that green space.

Um it's good to see businesses, churches, anything like that grow in Nampa and want to be a part of our community.

Um I think it's a very positive thing, and I like that.

When I walked into the room tonight, I saw these people sitting here, and I said, Wow, they're all opposed to the drone.

They might now that they're not the pros to that and they're in favor of the church.

We have a little bit more in common, I think.

I agree totally that Sunday is when you go to church.

That's why I was asking the question about when they go when their visitors come worshipers, whatever they call them.

And you know, I'm not out running around.

I'm a church or I'm someplace else.

I'm not running around, so you're not gonna affect me, and I don't think you can affect many other people.

So to me, traffic is not an issue, even though it's a lot of people, it's a very in lax time or very quiet time, whatever you want to call it.

I agree uh as well.

And I think the thing that makes me the most happy is that this church is growing enough that they knew to new facility, and that bodes well for our community, so I'm happy about that.

Um I might I might have missed this in the report and it's not pulling up for me on the website, but the the specific area this the one parcel, the church partial is in the specific area plan, correct?

Can you remind me what the use in that plan is for this area?

Is it very low density?

It is.

No, I just this is just gonna be nothing but positive.

Uh I like the location out there.

Um the traffic, yes, it's always a concern, but in this particular situation it's gonna be offsetting to what the commuter and the and the peak hour traffic is gonna be.

And so that's a positive.

So I and I'm impressed with the growth of Grace Bible Church.

I've watched it w kind of when you were started out there on Lake Lowell and kind of seen the growth and everything with that, and so I'm just it it's pretty it's pretty dang amazing that you're looking at a a fourteen hundred seat church.

So I know you guys had nothing to do with it, right?

It's all you're not the one driving the bus, right?

Yeah.

Okay, so I get it.

So I'm in total 100% favor of this.

It's gonna be a a good positive addition.

Well, Mr.

Chair, if there's no other comments.

I'll move to recommend approval for the project that's stated on the screen with the recommended conditions of approval and the proposed findings.

It's been moved by Garner the Yeah, do we need roll call on this?

Yeah, this is gonna need that roll call distinct votes.

Okay.

Uh it's been moved by Garner, seconded by Keyhoe.

Can we have a roll call, please?

Morgan.

Yes.

Copland?

Hi.

Garner.

Hi.

Meller.

Hi.

Kirkman.

Wholeheartedly, yes.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

We are going to take a five-minute break, and we'll be back for the last item.

Well, they're so happy that we're gonna go.

It's usually better stuff.

I just every morning.

Every morning I wake up watch your news.

Every morning.

I can't do it.

I just can't do it.

Okay.

So level leaning now.

Okay.

Okay.

We'll go ahead and move into action item 3-4.

Uh conditional use permit for an unlisted land use at GB1 zoning district addressed as 5295 East Franklin Road for Sam Bailey representing CF Hippotla, Nampa.

Um because of the nature of this item and some of the complicated things involved, we have allowed the presenter uh up to 20 minutes to present his item.

So thank you and go ahead.

No.

And my comments, but really want to paint the full context of this land use discussion, while there is also a federal airspace component that we are conducting in conjunction with the NAMPA municipal airport.

It's background, my name is Sam Bailey.

I'm the senior manager for economic development policy to Amazon.

My address is 1515 WineCoupe, Denver, Colorado.

Uh here on behalf of our fulfillment center known as Boy 2 or BOI2, uh located at 5295 East Franklin Street.

We are requesting your approval to a conditional use permit to conduct primary drone delivery from the site.

Again, this is the land use portion of the conversation.

In parallel, we also go through a federal regulatory approval process with the FAA as well as local uh aviation operators, including uh airports, general aviation, commercial, helipads, uh hospitals with Flight for Life operations and others.

But tonight here to speak specifically regarding the land use uh item before you a little up a little bit about Primair.

Uh we've been in service since 2022 delivering packages, uh utilizing an FAA regulated drone known as the Mark 30, and we are currently active in several markets in Arizona, uh Florida, Kansas, Michigan, Texas, and then we have a test site in Pend Pendleton, Oregon.

We have other sites currently under construction in Illinois, Louisiana, uh, Nebraska, Texas, and Missouri, uh, where we will be launching out of comparable facilities to what we have here in Namfa, Idaho, which is an Amazon Robox fulfillment center.

We store about 25 million items uh in that site that are ready for delivery, and about 60% of those items are eligible for drone delivery.

Primer is a part 135 air carrier certificate holder, meaning we can conduct commercial operations with our drone beyond a visual line of sight.

Um our operations for the Mark 30, which is our latest drone were approved at the end of 2024, and it was immediately put into service.

This same drone is operating at all of our active sites across the United States and in the United Kingdom where we have one site.

It's a fully autonomous operation, so it'll fly from our fulfillment center to the customer on a predefined flight path that might either be their backyard, front yard, or driveway, and I'll show you what that looks like.

Um the uh flight monitors are based locally at every site.

So we do have monitors who are based and housed at every site where we have drone operations.

They can monitor flight, um, take phone calls or inquiries from law enforcement if there's an act activity in the community.

They can also command it to either conduct a safe contingent landing to put itself on the ground or to conduct a U-turn to come back to the fulfillment center for any reason.

They monitor flight and weather radar as well as telemetry data, but they don't have visual like video type uh awareness.

They're not looking at a video.

We don't live stream any of that.

Uh we take customer privacy very seriously.

Um the drone possesses detection avoid technology, so it can detect things like helicopters, airplanes, as well as hot air balloons.

We operate in wind and light rain up to about 30 knots.

And there's a perception system when it conducts the delivery to scan that delivery point to make sure there aren't uh animals, humans.

I have three little boys, so thinking about them right in the backyard, um, or uh any obstacles.

If it detects an obstacle, it will cancel the delivery and it will immediately ascend, return to the fulfillment center and notify the customer.

We don't land in someone's backyard.

We drop to about a 13 foot hover, drop the package, and then ascend and return to the center.

The drone can carry a five-pound parcel up to seven and a half miles from the fulfillment center.

That perfect radius will look a little different as we work through the federal airspace regulatory process that I'll speak to.

And we take into account things such as NAMPA Municipal Airport.

I know Lindsay Johnson's here.

Our team is coordinating with her team to look at our airspace operations as well as input from the Federal Aviation Administration as well.

The drone itself is just about just over five feet by 411, weighs 83 pounds.

And the drone operates only during civil twilight hours.

So that's about 30 minutes before sunrise, 30 minutes after sunset.

So we're looking at daytime that's variable throughout the year based on the seasons.

We are proposing that we would have between 12 and 15 of these Mark 30s based at the fulfillment center.

A couple things that we go through in conjunction with the land use project that we have before you is we have to work with the Federal Aviation Administration as we've done in all of our other active sites where we're delivering today, to do two things.

One to secure a certificate of authorization to access the federally regulated airspace to identify where we can and can't deliver.

So not all customers in that seven and a half mile race will be eligible.

It'll look a little bit like a checkerboard.

South of us, we have the airport, so we won't be able to conflict with them, and we have standoff requirements from that airport.

Our regulatory folks are meeting, I think, on this Thursday with the airport team to walk through that detailed process.

Second, we're required to conduct environmental impact study as required by the National Environmental Policy Act to determine that our drones do not create a negative impact on the environment where we are operating.

Just to show you what the uh customer experience looks like.

So the drone, uh the site, we would fulfill that customer order as we do today.

We would take it out to what's called a paddock or a prime air drone delivery center that would be located in the parking lot.

We would load that drone with a lithium ion battery, and then the customer order.

It will then take off, fly direct to the customer along a determined flight path, descend to about 12-13 feet, drop the package, ascend, return to the fulfillment center.

We operate between 200 and 400 feet in that eligible airspace, and that does a great job of deconflicting us from other operators.

If at any point in time, for example, the NAMPA PD or fire department, the county were to be responding to an incident or some uh first responder event, they can also contact us directly to either install a no-fly zone or cease operation.

So we have a deconfliction coordination process we conduct with law enforcement as well.

Customers have to opt into this service, so they have to select it at checkout, so we will not surprise them with the drone.

They have to utilize, uh they have to say they want to utilize the service.

There is an added fee for it, as you can see here.

Um, but that alerts the customer that they are selecting it.

So they will go through several prompts to select drone delivery.

If they don't want to receive it, they'll receive packages in the way that they currently do via one of our delivery vehicles.

We build a world model that identifies all the places that are eligible for delivery within airspace.

Uh that includes things like tree canopies, power lines, other adjacent uses.

If you're next to a hospital, flight for life operations, things of that nature.

We try to identify up to three delivery points on the property.

That might be the backyard, the front yard, the driveway.

It'll vary by property.

The backyard is one of the most popular because it's within your property.

You usually have a fence, you can deter porch piracy.

Um, but we will predetermine those points, and then the customer has the ability to pick them.

That way a customer is not picking their pool or trampoline to drop it on, but we're identifying those safe points.

And if they need to change those points based on remodeling their backyard or the driveway, they can then contact us.

We conducted a third-party sound study of our site in Arizona that is a fulfillment center and looked at the decibel readings.

If I was standing at that primary drone delivery center, that's the launch pad in the parking lot.

If I was 500 feet away, and then we took measurements beyond that.

And then we rented an Airbnb where we simulated a test if I was delivering an order and standing in the backyard where that order was occurring, topping out at about 68 decibels.

If I'm in front of the house, deliveries occurring to the back, about 61 decibels.

And this again is only during those civil twilight hours, so daytime hours, not evening, not two in the morning.

What we are proposed to do is make a modification to the parking lot.

Um, this will eliminate about 114 parking spots, but we are well parked at that location.

Uh, this would be a fenced-in location adjacent to the site where we would have our launch pads to launch the drones from, uh, as well as our battery vault that's an energy system storage and charging system for our lithium ion batteries, uh, and then where we could store the drones.

Our flight operations would also occur on site as well.

So we're making a minor change to the parking lot while the main fulfillment center use stays the same.

Here's our site on Franklin.

Again, large Amazon Robox fulfillment center.

It's a common uh piece of real estate that we invest this new technology in based on the inventory and the existing uh expertise that we have at the site.

We will then add uh 30 net new jobs to start at the site that will support primary operations.

Those often come with our Part 107 FA certification, which allows for commercial drone operations.

So a great resume building transferable job skill, whether you're at Amazon and law enforcement, utilities, real estate, aerial photography, and more.

Here's a zoom out of that site plan.

So again, we're looking to consume uh parking within the western uh side of the building, about 114 parking spots in total.

And just zooming in there again, we're leveraging the proximity to the building to be able to conduct and fulfill those orders and then bring them out to the paddock, where then they would be loaded with a um again a customer order, a lithium ion battery, and then can depart.

Uh we really want to be proactive about our community engagement.

So I was just out here recently at uh College of Western Idaho.

We promoted a community engagement event where myself and other colleagues were there to provide presentations on Prime Air, what it is, what it isn't, uh, to make sure people understand the service, how they can utilize it, answer questions regarding sound, safety, uh privacy, and more.

Um we had Namper residents, city staff, a couple of council members were there as well, College of Western Idaho faculty and students.

We also had members of the the press there, so we did get some coverage from our promotion.

We answered questions, and we did provide a supplemental um to Rodney and his team regarding some uh just a quick summary of that event that occurred as well.

We will continue to conduct this community engagement.

Our first step was to introduce it, then to look at our land use approval, and then we will move forward with our federal aviation administration approval as well.

It's a lengthy process, the land use being the shorter of the two, while the FA process is quite substantial, requires that environmental assessment.

But we want to be very clear as to what we are looking to do at the site, answer questions about the service.

Um so where are we today?

Today we're here seeking your approval from the City of Nampa Planning Zoning Commission for the approval of this conditional use permit.

If we are approved, that will allow us to continue to proceed forward with airspace coordination.

Uh, I know you did receive inquiry from the NAMPA Airport uh commission.

We've responded to those comments as well in a written document.

We are meeting in person with the airport to discuss specific regulatory and airspace uh feedback and current concerns they have as well as our coordination with the FAA.

That's an ongoing process again, driven by our federal regulatory partners.

Um we would then file the necessary building permits to construct this paddock in the Western parking lot, and we would look to conduct further community outreach as we've done in other markets where we we operate.

And then ultimately securing that final approval from the FAA so we can commence our operations.

Um select the service when they need it.

Uh for those that don't wish to use it, um, they can receive packages the manner they do so.

But we believe this innovation uh we've seen great high demand in markets where we currently operate, and we believe it's a great addition to our existing footprint that we have here in the city of Napa.

Thank you very much to the city staff.

We know this is a very unique project uh to bring forward.

It's often not explicitly called out in development code, and we appreciate the commission uh after a long night hearing a very unique project towards the end.

Happy to answer any questions again.

My name is Sam Bailey, senior manager of economic development policy at Amazon.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chair?

Yeah.

Sam, how long?

So say one uh drone takes off, how long was it does it take for a round trip to the far reaches of your seven mile radius and back?

What is what doesn't that look like?

Yeah, Commissioner, that's the shortest part of the uh trip.

Uh, our fastest collected delivery time was just over 15 minutes in Texas from when someone hit by now to the delivery occurring to their house.

Depends on where they are.

Obviously, weather conditions play into that.

Um, but that is you know less than 10 minutes, sometimes less than seven minutes, uh, because we're commuting about 70 miles per hour or 70 knots to uh the customer between 200 and 400 feet, um, and then dropping the package and returning.

Um, the biggest challenge we have getting your customer order out of our very, very large building.

We're working on that though.

So when you're in your presentation, it looked like uh there was a lower flight level and a higher flight level.

They go out one level and come back the other.

Is that how they do it?

Commissioner, yes.

So, in order, um, we will plan to have between 12 and 15 drones based at this site.

Um, as we look to de-conflict our drones flying outbound and then inbound to the site, we will send our drones outbound to the customer uh at about an average of 225 feet plus out to the customer and then bring them back at a higher altitude between that 300 to 400 feet, that middle range, we reserve if we need to have a drone conduct a U-turn and come back to the fulfillment center.

So it's a spacing by altitude that we deconflict them.

Um, but we also utilize what's called an unmanned traffic management system.

It think of it as air traffic control for drones under 500 feet, so it allows us to monitor and de-conflict our drones from one another, and then should another commercial operator, um, which we experience in places like the Dallas Metro area come into the market, it allows for our flights to be deconflicted from their flights.

So we also employ an air traffic control type system to monitor our drones to ensure they're deconflicted from ourselves as well as from other potential users that may enter the market.

First, I just assume that the my wife's package would not interfere with my daughter's package as they were coming and going at the same time.

That's why the difference in there.

But but really, how many uh what's the customer number right now or that you might be looking at?

I mean, how many because obviously there's some restrictions there with the NAMPA airport going south and north.

So what's the customer reach, the number right now that you that you're looking at?

Do you know?

Commissioner, we don't share a customer reachability just based on privacy.

What I can tell you is a site in Richardson, Texas does between 200 and 300 flights per day.

A site in the Kansas City area, Kansas City, Kansas area would be around uh 100 to 200.

So it varies, and weather is a big uh impact to that.

Wind speed um will impact our ability to serve that, and then organic customer demand.

It's it's up to the customers to determine if they want to receive it.

So it's safe to say that that NAMPans could see up to possibly two, three hundred drones flying around the city of NAMPA on a given day.

Possibly possible.

I mean, I know there's a lot of variables in there, but 100 to 300, maybe even yes, based on ideal weather conditions, organic customer demand.

We will also serve beyond the city of NAMPA where applicable.

And one of the things that we do is we do make a multi-jurisdictional notification to county and other municipalities of our operations occurring here.

We do coordinate with um local and regional law enforcement as well.

They may have drone responder programs.

So we want to make sure that one, we start at our home base, which is NAMPA, uh, but then we expand that notification to other jurisdictions and other relevant agencies, just as we do with our uh airport partners through the federal aviation or aviation administration approval process.

And would those outlying areas if expanded, would they still be serviced from one location, or would you have to build like another spaceport and another drone port in another portion of the valley?

So, Commissioner, we have two fulfillment centers located in uh the city of NAMPA, our VoI2 site, which is the large one, and then we have a smaller sub-same-day fulfillment center, SID one.

Uh VoI2 is where we feel we can do that this from uh a safety perspective without conflicting with the airport.

So for now, we're focused solely on our VoI2 site.

And we're still looking at seven and a half mile radius, right?

Okay.

Yeah.

Follow-up, Sam.

So if you were to go to out and expand operations, is there a limit to how far one of the drones can fly on a charge, or are there limitations to how far you could service?

Commissioner, um, our drones have a seven and a half mile radius.

They generally return to our fulfillment center with a 60 to 70 percent charge left in the battery.

We will still swap out and put in a fully charged battery for every flight.

We're not treating it like a teenager cell phone.

If at any point the battery drops to about 31%, it will trigger a safe contingent landing where it immediately puts itself on the ground, we'd recover it with a van.

So safety number one.

We could fly further.

Um that would require additional approvals from the FA if we expanded that region.

But that seven and a half mile radius gives us that safety buffer that if we encounter inclement weather where there's an increased wind speeds, we have sufficient and plenty of charge left to get it safely back.

Uh means to also go recover it if we have to put it down on the ground safely.

Uh but the goal right now is seven and a half miles.

Okay, here I can see easily readily how you drop off the package.

But how do you pick up the package?

Does somebody stand out there and connect it to the drone or how does that work?

Uh Commissioner, we'll drop the package in your backyard.

No, no, how did how did it get how did it pick up the package in the first place?

What did it come from?

Yeah.

So the prime air drone delivery center is the drone port where we launch the drones from.

So this would be in the parking lot.

So we will load each drone with a customer order and a battery, put it onto the launch battery.

That's what I'm asking.

Somebody actually does this, or does it?

Correct, yes.

Okay, so it's not automatic.

Correct.

Yes, we are bringing our goods, our completed customer orders out to the paddock where it's loaded by Amazon Associates with the battery, as well as a customer order for it to then take off.

And our monitors are also based locally monitoring all the flight weather radar and the telemetry data of our drones.

Also, another question.

Um, normally we don't have police officers come to our meetings.

Was he requested by you or why don't we have a police officer?

That was for the church.

No offense to the officer.

I I did not make the request, but I appreciate you being here.

Uh so I didn't make the request.

No, Rodney.

Chairman, it came up this morning in a meeting that there may be anticipated crowds.

We didn't know it'd be for the item before this one.

And so just in a moment's accaution, that was just common practice.

That's what I was curious.

So no, was it it?

But obviously that's not the case.

Yeah, it's a question for them.

For uh for us, it was just um we thought there would be numbers.

Yeah, okay.

But yeah.

And you picked the wrong one.

Number three is what you wanted, not number four.

Commissioner, we uh I will say uh the NAMPA police department did attend our community meeting.

I did speak with their um UAS uh manager.

We are doing some follow-up uh post-arengement with the airport just to discuss alignment deconfliction so that we are good good partners with the police departments as they have priority that you have not expected experience opposition from the public in in other locations.

Uh Commissioner, to that point, we have experience questions um regarding um why do you need something so fast?

Um things like privacy have come up, the perception of drones.

Our drones don't have any surveillance type um operations or equipment like that of a police drone.

So ours is simply for the safe delivery of a package.

So those are the common concerns just because it is a new novel technology.

Often what we get are why do why would someone need that something so fast?

Like Henry Ford when he first came out with the Ford.

I mean, every all kinds of opposition, but look what we got out of it.

You can have any color as long as it's black.

We leave Henry Ford said that.

So Mr.

Chair, the oh yeah, but I've talked a lot more than you do.

Go ahead, Copeland.

Oh the moment.

So why if you if why you're remembering that the camera there's there's cameras on the drones though, because there have there seems like there has to be in order to find the location to drop the package.

Correct, Commissioner.

So there's a forward-facing camera, as you can see here, the dots in the center, and then the square in the middle.

So you have a forward-facing camera and LIDAR system for detection and avoidance while we navigate um to the customer.

The rear facing is actually on the bottom, it's where the black um just covered.

It's integrated with the landing gear.

And so when the drone transitions, what you see right now is vertical vertical ascent and descent mode.

When it's coming down to the customer's delivery point, it's scanning that delivery point they selected to determine there aren't humans or animals or some obstacle at the point.

It's strictly there to identify is there an obstacle before we drop the package at 13 feet.

If you were to stand under it and try and catch it, we would detect your presence there and we would uh cancel the delivery ascend and return the fulfillment.

So it's more like a motion detector on the bottom of that.

Correct.

It's it's purely to make sure we're not dropping it on you, a child, a dog, a ficus tree you planted and isn't your delivery point.

And if you make changes, we can make changes to the that would be quite a lot of uh pushback.

Is you've got all these, and I'm being facetious here, but you've got all these drones flying all over the city with each one equipped with cameras and flying into people's backyards and dropping things and taking cameras or pictures and video of neighbors and everything else going on.

So I I think that would be where most of the resistance might come from.

Commissioner, I think the the initial concerns are it does have surveillance capability.

The fact is it does not have surveillance or tracking capabilities like that of a police drone.

It's strictly for safe navigation and operations.

Is there a possibility that it could have that?

I mean, I know you're saying that it doesn't, like a police drone, but is there a possibility that something one of these drones might have that capability or could be used for that capability?

So Commissioner, um, it is not a possibility with the Mark 30 that we have in service.

And we operate in states where it's explicitly prohibited by state law.

All right, that's where I'm so like in Texas, there's state governing code that prevents us from conduct prevents commercial operators from conducting commercial surveillance using our drones.

We don't have the capability to look through window, trace a phase, trace a license plate uh as we navigate through the state.

So yeah, so when law enforcement says I need to get into your iPhone because there's my they can't come to Amazon and say I need to get I need to access the video of this MK 30 drone, it's just not possible because it's not there.

Correct.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yes.

Commissioner, great question.

So not all items are eligible for drone delivery.

So we might not be delivering for any wine glasses via drone.

Uh but the box is about the size of shoebox, and we specially design it to um handle that drop.

Um so we can deliver things like an iPad safely to you, AirPods, other consumables that you would regularly use.

So not all things are eligible for drone delivery, but we work to identify with vendors, with manufacturers what can safely make that.

And so a lot of study goes into what can be loaded into the drone versus what can't uh uh commissioners about over 60% of the items stored at a fulfillment center like VoI2 would be eligible for drone delivery.

And this fulfillment center, it's an Amazon Robox fulfillment center, so the items are generally 50 pounds or less, fit in a standard garage, so it's a smaller consumables.

A TV or something of that size and scale, bigger items over 50 pounds come from a different type of fulfillment center called a traditional non-sortable fulfillment center.

Things don't that don't easily move on conveyance.

So we have we have buildings for a variety of different products, large and small.

Yes.

Thank you.

Um questions for you.

Uh let's start with have you ever been denied in a marketplace to put one of these in, either by public by public approval or FAA approval?

Commissioner, to date, I have not been denied when going before a governing body to approve drone delivery.

We've also been approved through a variety of means, and I've gone through planning zoning commissions, city councils, board of zoning adjustments, city plan commissions.

We've been permitted by right in some jurisdictions.

Um we've gone through a variety of approval processes to date.

Uh I have not been denied when going forward with the project.

Part of that is we spent a lot of time on the community engagement part, which we started earlier this month.

We will continue that process as we move forward.

We have also not been denied by the FAA to conduct our operations from one of our existing sites that's in eligible airspace.

We have some sites that sit in uh locations where they are naturally ineligible based on proximity to an airport.

And um how many failures how many failures have you had in the drones?

So for the um your question, Commissioner, regarding failures, we've had two uh incidents, one in uh in Tulson, Arizona, where we have an operation.

Uh the second was in Richardson, Texas, and I can uh describe both of those.

The first was a a crane that was not permitted, um, was erected nearby our fulfillment center.

Um notice to airmen was not also provided for that crane, and so the crane was operating out of compliance.

We had two drones on a return flight strike the boom area of that crane.

They were damaged, no one was injured.

That was a reportable incident to the FAA, again, this being an FA regulated vehicle.

Um the second was we had a drone departing uh delivery at a multifamily development in Richardson, Texas.

Upon departing that site, it did clip the gutter of a of the um property, the awning um sticking out from the property.

The drone then came down uh as it attempted to conduct a safe contingent landing, but was uh destroyed upon hitting the ground.

No one was injured.

We did work with the property management uh company to make them whole um after they assessed the damage to the property, it was about $1,900.

Both cases we did make communication to the jurisdiction and filed reports with the FAA.

Um any consideration given to distractions, 84 runs right next to this facility.

Any consideration given to daily distraction, things flying.

I mean, people stop, they see a police officer pulled over, and everybody hits their brakes.

So uh that is a that's legitimate traffic does do odd things by minor things.

So is there any consideration that this might create?

Commissioner, in our approval with the FAA, um there are some exemptions and there are some conditions.

One of which is we do not fly directly over roads or interstate, so we're not flying like a car driving over the roads directly.

We can cross them, so we can cross the interstate to get to the customer, but you won't see our drones flying along the interstate for that very purpose.

Also, in in case we had to conduct a safe contingent landing for inclement weather, um, we wouldn't be landing on it in an interstate, a busy interstate.

Us flying between 200 and 400 feet at 70 miles an hour makes it pretty hard to see it because of the altitude that we're at.

So if you're driving, um, you'll be lucky to see it or hear it explicitly.

Now, the proximity to our site because we're over industrial area, we can climb to that uh operating altitude quite quickly.

Um, and so we are further out of sight um from ongoing traffic.

And my final questions is um what's driving this?

Is it pure profitability and or like what's driving the whole drone delivery system, the purpose of doing that?

I know you just mentioned some of the public pushback is uh why does somebody need a package so fast?

That's that is one portion.

So I like to hear what exactly is driving the reason and the development of this.

And I think what we find is there is a customer experience and a customer base that either needs it on a regular basis, may demand it on a one or two time basis, uh, but it varies.

And I think what we have seen in my experience and approvals is that we have seniors who are who are at home, might not be able to easily get into a car.

Um parents, I'm one, I have three little kids.

Uh, when you figure out your motions expired and someone popped a fever, it's hard to get everyone in the car to go to the busy grocery store rush hour.

And so I think what we find is that it is something that people desire and utilize because of a variety of conditions.

It might be they can't leave their home, they have kids, they forgot that one ingredient, their children's medicine had expired.

Um I think what we find is there's a different level of demand based on what the customer demands.

But we have found, for example, our site and one of our sites in Texas has done uh tw about 26,000 deliveries since December.

Um, and that just kind of speaks to it is a high demand site.

We do see demand for this, and that's occurring at our sites across the network.

So it might not be for every order that they do it, but for the orders when they need something in a pinch, um, it's an available service that is there.

And we see it's not just prime air, there are other commercial operators who operate out of retail with grocery retail establishments um or food establishments that can also deliver um uh via drone.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

If I could the sound and and the public nuisance, if you will, of the potential sound that these drones might make.

When they're dropping in, when they're coming in to drop off the package in the backyard of the front yard in a subdivision, how much will you be able to hear that drone?

Will you be able to hear that drone from inside the house?

Or would the neighbor be able to hear that drone from inside their house?

Commissioner, depending on proximity houses and dense.

And this was in a denser area in Tulson, Arizona, where we conducted this.

So 68 decibels, it's about brief exposure for about 20 seconds when it is descending at your property and then ascending and getting out of out of space.

It's free during daytime hours.

So you brief it would be how how many seconds or a minute or from when it's coming down to your house when it's get getting to a level where you're standing 20 seconds for it to come down, drop the package, and then elevate.

But it's not any louder than a neighbor's lawnmower going on at 10 o'clock in the morning.

It's i i if you think about a comparable diesel truck if you're standing next to it, not comparable, ours is electric.

If you think about diesel truck idling, that's between 80 and 100 decibels if you're standing next to it or within 50 feet, and there's not ambient noise around.

There's also ambient noise in the community of wind traffic, things like that.

So again, 68 decibels, and the the level of noise you see on the left is from the American Audiology Association where we looked at comparable sounds.

Uh again, brief exposure, common noise, albeit it's a new innovation, so it's going to seem different, but not any different than a delivery truck coming down your street stopping delivering a package.

And and just for comparison, so I would it be louder.

I mean, do you know what the decibel is of a lawnmower?

I mean, where does that because that seems to be the most common sound that in someone would might hear and or a dog barking or you know, 90 decibels is where a lawnmower would be.

Okay.

And it's listed listed here in the very very loud.

I'm sorry, I can't see all the things.

Oh, no, I'm sorry, it's a little blurry from the no, it's literally blurry on the thing, I think.

I can read it.

Okay.

That's answered my questions, and thank you.

Thank you.

I got one question.

So do you have data on like how many accidents do your delivery vehicles on the road have?

How many accidents per year do you have in your vehicle deliveries?

Uh Commissioner, oh, sorry.

Uh Commissioner, I don't have that data on me.

Um, but that um our can't speak to our vehicle traffic um uh accidents that occur, and just based on the conditions, I don't have that information in front of me.

Okay, no, I was just thinking uh the one in Texas you said 26,000 since December deliveries.

Correct.

And you've only had two incidents with your drones total, right?

Correct, correct.

Yeah, okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

That's all for now.

We'll call you back up.

Thank you very much, Commissioner.

Mr.

Ashby.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair and Commissioners.

Um Rodney Ashby, planning and zoning director for the record.

Um I'm gonna share quite a bit of information on this, um, just data from our the staff report.

I'm gonna show it on the screen, but I'm gonna try to just summarize it just because most of it you had the you had the opportunity to read it in the staff report.

I just want it available to the public to be totally transparent.

So again, just the request before you is a conditional use permit because of a unlisted land use, and we'll get into that detail in a second here.

So the comprehensive plan lists this as a community mixed use.

The zone is G B1 zoning, and it's surrounded by IP and GB1 zones with uh different commercial and industrial properties uh around it.

Um you can see that there on the property or on the on the screen.

Uh the history is that Amazon received a conditional use permit in 2018 to be constructed, and then they uh went through the design review uh process and was uh were approved in on July 9th, 2018.

Uh this is a section of our code that just lists why we're having a conditional use permit here.

Um, and I've underlined the area that's most important here.

When a land use is not listed, um, then we can require the CUP, and this is a new one for me.

I've never done this all the years I've been here, so it was not listed.

Um this is the purpose behind a conditional use permit.

Uh, these are just uses that potentially cause a concern, um, need a little more interest in it and a public involvement, and then you can add conditions onto these to mitigate the concerns.

This is a uh quasi-judicial decision before you.

So I think Preston likes to say put on your robes in this situation, and they have to the decision before you today is do they comply with these four criteria?

And if they do or they don't, that's that's your decision.

Uh 1034-10A7A lists uh fence fencing requirements, and uh this is uh valid here because what they're proposing is some fencing that appeared to be chain link fence chain link fencing in some situations, and then uh wood fencing.

Um and that is typically not allowed in a commercial zone, um, but because of the unique characteristics of this, uh being a security area that they have to enclose these areas.

Um, I think there may be some validity to granting this.

Um state code allows you, and local code allows you to make an exception to this section of code for the fencing, and so I would suggest that if you do approve this, if it is recommended for or if you decide to approve it, this is your decision, um, then you adopt the conditions which allow the chain link uh fencing that I'll show in just a minute.

Excuse me, the wood fencing with I think there's a gate.

I'll show that in just a second here.

So correspondence, we received a pretty lengthy correspondence from the NAMPA Airport Commission, and um I'm gonna just summarize this here.

So the first thing that they stated was they would uh recommend that you don't approve this until documentation is shown that they address these things, airspace coordination and FAA compliance, and then they list several things there.

Um safety and operational procedures related to aircraft and uh conflicts uh including weather and then the uh the last bullet point there is presence of fail-safe systems such as controlled descent or parachutes.

I think we've heard about the controlled descent uh already tonight.

Uh ground risk and land use, um, concerns about the residential areas, uh schools, parks, and hospitals.

Um mitigate risk to people and property.

I'll I'll I'll keep moving.

Liability and insurance was a concern there.

They wanted to see proof of that.

Uh incident reporting and accountability.

This is one I've tried to address in a can a proposed condition that I'll have you consider.

Privacy and data collection.

I think we've addressed that with the um type of cameras that are being uh used here.

Noise and community impacts.

We've also talked about that already.

Emergency coordination.

Operational scale and expansion.

The flight volumes we've we've talked about this evening already.

Environmental considerations.

Was addressing the environmental impact.

And then community communication.

How do we communicate with them if there's an issue?

Kenyon County Development Services just indicated concerns this might have on crop dusting and the fire comments, just listed how far they are.

We're already serving this area currently.

It's 2.7 miles from the nearest fire station, and then that's an approximate response time of six minutes.

They requested the city not allow a reef retailer to hover their devices over private property.

It seemed to be about privacy mostly.

And then the second one was a petition opposing the use of the airspace and expressed concerns about noise impact to residents and to wildlife, arguing that the noise at levels of a lawnmower can cause hawks and other animals to relocate.

Expressed interest in preserving the tranquility, safety, and natural beauty of our skies.

And then I just wanted to list the um the names and locations of the those who supported this petition.

So that's uh listed here.

I was really surprised to see Mexico on here and Spain.

I I don't think I've ever gotten comments from Mexico and Spain.

And wild are too.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Those um Mr.

Chair, would you like me to respond to the comment we heard from the public?

Okay.

Um these are people who are opposed, and it's that a petition opposing the use of airspace above NAMPA for drone delivery.

Thanks for clarifying, Ronnie.

Uh okay, so staff analysis, prime air drone delivery center or the paddock at Boise Boy 2.

Um will be utilized as a secure launch pad for drones to be launched from a conduct from to conduct customer deliveries using inventory from inside the existing fulfillment center.

So that's the purpose.

The size and facilities I've listed here.

You've seen that in your staff report.

I'll keep moving.

Um, this is the location.

Franklin uh is to the north, and Star or Robinson to the east.

A little closer view of that site and how they would uh the path of how they would deliver those products.

Uh the question was asked how do they get the products into the drones?

They're walking across that area on uh you can see a dashed line there, proposed travel path to um from the facility to that location.

There's the site.

Um fence exception.

Here it is.

Uh I've already talked about that.

Um this is the fence proposal, so that's that one of the gates.

The um this is the wood portion of the fence.

Rodney.

Here's another gate.

Yeah.

Would there be any razor wire or anything like that on top of the fence?

I didn't see anything there.

No.

Applicant is saying no.

And these were proposals that they have already submitted to the city for approval.

Okay, so they the parking, just real high level, they're way overparked, and they have plenty of parking to to continue to operate their facility, even with the loss of 114 spaces.

Drone regulatory approval.

The FAA will they'll have to go through that federal aviation approval.

And so I have no expertise there, but I just listed all the things that they told me they still have to go through.

Airspace authorization, same thing.

Privacy, we've we've talked about that, the cameras, the uh the height of their travel, I think is significant there.

They're not just flying through a neighborhood.

Uh they're going way above the neighborhood and dropping down when they get to the location.

Um and then the noise.

I wanted to just highlight this.

This is um about approximately 500 feet from the location of this site.

And I didn't know exactly where it was gonna go, so I just tried to give you a sense of of the distance um from the proposed location.

So as you can see, there really isn't any uh buildings within that 500 foot radius.

Um maybe it'll clip the building on the the uh the aerial on the right hand side um to the north uh west corner.

You could see maybe it would clip that area there.

The 500 foot is the decibel level of and it would be 53 to 55 decibels.

Um and then 68 decibel levels for someone who is in their backyard when the drone delivers the package in the backyard.

This is about the same decibels as operating a vacuum.

Um I think he's done a uh good job of already indicating his approval process that he had to go through to uh get the FAA to approve the drone itself and all the safety features that go on to the drone.

Um safety mitigation for NAMPA Airport.

Uh this was in response to the airport's comments, and uh I I just my summary of this is that he they've been able to provide me enough data and enough confirmation that they are going to address each of the the airport commission's uh concerns.

The proposed conditions um number one is approval of the proposed fence and gates as shown in the staff report is granted as an exception to the design review code for fencing materials in a commercial zoning district.

It could be argued that you're far enough back that you're not really seeing it from the road.

It could be argued that two materials are there, wood and the chain link fence and and some metal.

Um I don't know that it's decorative, which is one of the conditions in the design review code, but um you can certainly put that as a condition if you feel like that needs to change in any way.

Um and then number two, except as outlined in the conditions of approval, applicant owner shall comply with all city codes, policies and standards at the time of building construction.

Uh the location of the primary drone delivery center will generally match what we showed in the staff report.

Uh, prior to any drones being approved to fly from the paddock, all required Federal Aviation Administration approvals shall first be obtained.

Um Amazon shall provide the city of NAMPA local contact for complaints or concerns regarding drones.

This was in response to the airport commission's concerns there that they have somebody to contact.

Um so I recommended this as a condition, and then that they would update that regularly if that changes at all, then we would get an update with that contact information.

Um then B on number five is the contact or authorized, the contact or authorized representative shall be reasonably accessible within 72 hours for non-emergency contacts and within four man.

Hmm, that's a typo within four hours to the city of NAMPA for complaints or concerns about emergency situations.

I'll correct that.

Um then here's the proposed findings.

I'm not gonna go over these, but I will head to the end where we um list our conclusion.

So based on all of this data, there's quite a bit of information in your packet, I know.

We came to the conclusion that it did comply with those four criteria listed in code.

And this is I'm not going to read this.

But essentially, it complies with the comprehensive plan because of its economic development that it's providing for our community.

It is let's look at the other criteria real quick.

I think this was design construction operation and maintenance of the property and project will not adversely impact the intended character and appearance of the general vicinity.

This area is industrial and commercial.

I don't see that as an issue.

Again, we're thinking about land use here.

And then the operation side of things is a later criteria.

So the land use is what we're talking about on the Amazon property here.

And then finally, the third and fourth is that the proposed use will be served adequately by essential public facilities and services.

It's already being serviced.

The proposed use will involve activities, will not involve activities or processes essentially that are unsafe or that will be a detriment to the welfare of our community.

And this is where the operations I think with all the safety features that they've included and the contact information that they will be providing as part of a condition here that they comply with that one.

So with that, here are a couple of motions for your consideration.

And just one more reminder this is a quasi-judicial decision.

So it has to match that criteria.

It can't just be based on not wanting drones in the in the city of Nampa.

Thank you, Rodney.

We have a sign-up sheet.

We do.

Our first is uh Stephen Seiwick.

Our second is Wendy De Bean.

De Bain.

Hello.

My name's Wendy Dubaney.

I live at 716 Ninth Avenue South in the old Nampa Historic District.

This Amazon proposal diminishes NAMPonians' quality of life.

Drones and our computers flying over our communities, emitting high frequency sounds, bothersome to humans, animals, have been known to cause several complaints with residential communities.

No one wants a drone hovering over their barbecue with a barking dog in the backyard.

Deer Flat National Wildlife Refuge.

It's three miles from downtown Nampa.

There lives a host of migrating birds migrating to Nampa every year to nest at Lake Lowell.

A few of them are red tail hawks.

They are strictly protected by both federal and state laws.

Western, I think it's gerbs.

Really cool little birds.

They dive under the water.

It's protected by the U.S.

Fish and Wildlife Service.

What's species?

Sorry, I'm nervous.

Conservation concerns due to low populations.

The Idaho Department of Fish and Game have classified the Western Gerb as a protected non-game species.

Owls, every species of owls are frequently are federally protected.

Bald eagles and gold eagles have their own protection act enacted in 1940.

Peregrine Falcons, um there has been known to have a pair that have successfully nested on a box on an almond gated sugars, beet factory.

Storage silos since 1990.

Over three decades, it strictly prohibits protects these federal, they are protected species.

You can tell migrating birds to turn, turn right, lie down, take a quick left, avoid NAMPA.

But that's not gonna work with migrating birds.

As they migrate to Lake Lowell, the Snake River, and to the birds of prey.

The presence of drones and their noise can alter the wildlife behavior, trigger physical stress, and lead to habitat displacement.

I strongly recommend you to deny this proposal.

Thank you for hearing me.

Thank you.

Okay, is there anyone else that would like to go ahead?

Come on up.

Doug Pells at uh 11668 West Rana Drive, Nampa.

And uh I haven't done 180, but I have some uh thoughts for your consideration.

As I was listening tonight about three years ago, uh I had some thoughts that Amazon when it first started talking about mobile delivery with drones would work like beet trucks, as you all know with the beat trucks around that we have are open at the top.

Their semi-trucks are open at the top, you fill them up, and then they go to the beat factory.

And my thought was they were gonna learn how to use these drones to go beyond the building and be on major roads so that they have a much larger seven and a half mile limit that they can reach from their mobile truck that just drives around and picks it out, and so that they're instead of the having more vans dropping them off, they just have uh bigger trucks that just pick them out of the um out of the trailer and and then drop it off and then come back to the trailer, or maybe it goes back to home base or whatever.

But uh my point is that I want you to give consideration that that's coming, and that this is a good way to see how it works from a standstill point, a landing, a launch point uh that is not mobile because mobile is probably coming.

Um, and I I base that on what we've watched happening over in uh Ukraine and how they move drones to more forward locations before launching them, and that even our US are building uh drones that carry drones, and so they're launching them mobile, not from necessarily a stand site.

So it's coming, and so I wanted to give that some thought as to this as a way of possibly seeing how it works, including working out the bugs, and it won't be just Amazon.

Um I I put in uh food trucks might want to take this on, Home Deep will want to take this on, you know, when they're delivering a five dollar item for me.

I don't know they made much money on it, but if they could zip it over in two minutes, uh it might be uh something that they would want to explore as well, or the public library wanting to drop off books uh to residents.

Um so I think it's coming.

Also, uh the public, the police interest in the drones.

I thought that was an interesting question uh because uh they might want to find a way to be able to use some of that material just for flight patterns on hey, is somebody dropping off, do they want to drop off a listening device somebody's place?

Mr.

Chair time.

Okay, I have 35 seconds.

Um I was curious at what they are dealing with uh lithium battery fires with the fire departments.

Yeah, no, we're that's that's three three minutes is all we're allowed.

Okay, so thank you.

Anyone else please come on up?

Commissioners, my name is Robin Sellers.

I'm the director of economic development for the city of Nampa.

Thank you for having Amazon here today.

Um, I just wanted to mention to add on, um Amazon has picked NAMPA for two of its sites to do um their delivery service, and they've been great partners for the city and worked with us, um, and again, trying to work through a process that's not normal and um trying to help our community.

I think one thing too that we really I I haven't heard is that it does take trucks off the road, um and it's an option to lighten traffic on eight four, so I like that element as well.

So I like that element as well.

Um, and so just thank you for your consideration of having this additional option that Amazon's trying to offer.

Thank you.

Chandis Cybick 111, 55 West Langett Street, Star Idaho.

Um, Mr.

Chair, Vice Chair, and Commissioners.

I know it's odd that I'm coming from Star Idaho, but what we're not seeing in the second half of the presentation is the um project scope when the drones um are in use.

So I don't know if you're aware of that, but if you have, I don't know if staff can pull up a map of the cities that will have drone delivery availability with the seven and a half mile radius.

I think that's important to note because a CUP is very unique in that way.

I don't believe it just involves fencing and 114 parking spaces.

It involves tens of thousands of Treasure Valley residents, and from my understanding to note when I contacted the city of STAR, the staff was unaware of the COP request, which affects our residents.

And when I contacted my representative, Mr.

Mike Moyle, he was also unaware of the COP being presented tonight, and that affects tens of thousands of Idahoans.

I'm pro-business.

I'm an Idaho native.

I um am grateful for our economy, and I'm also for common sense when concerning a COP of this magnitude.

Um, I believe that we really have to take consideration of who owns our God-given skies.

And um even tonight, I ordered an Amazon Prime shirt to tell you I got it tonight before the meeting.

Um the packages I get come very quickly already, and I don't feel like drone um usage is urgent or necessary at this time.

Something else to note, um, Mr.

Sam Bailey lives in Colorado.

There's no drone usage in Colorado despite his position at Amazon.

There's no drones flying over his neighborhood.

And um, based on public information, Amazon Prime Air has been approved in only nine U.S.

cities.

Two cities that weren't discussed tonight were um cities that repealed the drone usage, and that includes College Station, Texas.

I think it's important to look up that information of why they repealed.

It was generally on um disturbances of their cities and also the noise levels.

So if you do approve the CUP, I would just consider that a lot of the Treasure Valley would be impacted by the use of drones without a lot of the community knowing that.

Um I would ask that you would please consider more narrow operational hours, not the 30 minutes before sunrise and the 30 minutes after sunrise.

Consider flying drones only in NAMPA since the COP relates to you all, and I very much respect your position as gatekeepers.

Um again, like supporting the economy, um business, just being aware of the the very large impact of this for the whole Treasure Valley.

Thank you so much for your time.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

I'm Julie Pells, and I live at 1168 West Rana Drive here in Napa.

And my one question is what's the impact on our power grid?

We all know that lithium batteries require a whole lot of power.

And if they're gonna put that many in there, how is that going to affect our power grid?

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Come back up.

Thank you, Commissioners, and appreciate um the public staying uh late for this.

Um, I took some notes.

I'm happy to walk through a couple of these key points that came out.

Um regarding birds migratory patterns.

So, as part of the FAA's um approval process, we have to conduct an environmental assessment to secure what's called a Fonzi or a finding of no significant impact.

So that is a lengthy report.

All of our Fonsies are available on the FAA's website that will highlight the research that the FAA puts in along with U.S.

Fish and Wildlife as well as state agencies to what are the impacts on the environment that includes migratory patterns of birds.

We also make available the contact information because for um constituents in other markets where we've operated.

There's a direct email address associated with each environmental assessment, so constituents can make direct outreach to the FA regarding our specific application.

So we conduct the environmental assessment with the FAA, but the public also has the ability to support oppose right concerns to the FA directly.

The city can do it.

So that is also a very public process.

So we take that into account.

We do everything from migratory patterns to we buy historic uh radar data to track where helicopters fly.

So we're always looking at what's currently operating in the airspace and then how we mitigate that to reduce the potential safety concerns we would have of something like a bird strike.

So that is a public process.

Um regarding the hub and spoke trailer model, which I thought was really interesting.

We're not quite there yet.

We will be if approved, we will be only be taking off from our boy to fulfillment center.

Um that's really where we focus.

Um regarding the lithium IM batteries, we monitor both the temperature of the batteries while they are charging in our battery vault system, about the size of a US mailbox, US Postal mailbox, as well as while they're flying.

If at any point we detect thermal runaway or increase temperatures, we can address that, mitigate that, contact the fire department often with fire departments.

We file an energy systems permit to notify them of the quantity of batteries, the types of batteries, and the associated fire suppression systems that we have with that.

Um just saying on the topic of power regarding um the power to power these systems, we're utilizing power uh that's already available at our Boy 2 fulfillment center, which is substantial in nature, has the um the capacity to support this operation.

Um regarding um can't Candace Chandis, thank you, um, from Star Idaho.

So um we have not made our multi-jurisdictional notification to other jurisdictions yet uh because we don't have land use approval to even operate from NAMPA yet.

Um, should we receive that approval?

We will notify them.

My contact information goes on that notification, and we give the opportunity to then go and present to those cities, those jurisdictions, those counties regarding our intent to operate and also outline the federal approval process that we go to.

So whether you're in STAR or NAMPA, you can also provide that feedback.

Um, but we're focused on the land use of where we are taking off from, um, and that's the application before you, but that is a notification that we we make as part of our process.

Excuse me, Mr.

Chair, can I ask a question on that note?

Um does that mean that each uh jurisdiction would have to approve, or you're just saying, hey, we're coming to you.

So uh commissioner, because we don't land in someone's backyard, we don't require land use approval in that jurisdiction because we are dropping the package.

Um we are taking off and returning to NAMPA for every flight, uh, but we are not seeking a land use approval as we are routing through federally regulated airspace.

And I I also sorry, I apologize.

There's one more comment regarding the college station site.

We decided not to renew a lease at that site.

Um we weren't kicked out of that community, we decided not to renew a lease.

That was not a fulfillment center, that was a standalone site where we piloted uh Prime Air.

And the intention there was let's move our operations to our existing fulfillment centers, which are naturally located more commercial industrial operations.

That location in particular, the nearest home was about 500 feet away.

And so it was a site that we found that was eligible for uh drone delivery.

Uh but we decided after executing a lease, operating, getting community feedback.

We actually created the Mark 30 drone out of feedback we got from College Station before we had the Mark 27.

It was a louder drone with lesser range.

We innovated based on that feedback, but then ultimately we decided that really isn't the best place for us to be.

We should be embedded with our fulfillment centers where the inventory is naturally in industrial areas further step back from residential.

That's why we left College Station.

I have a couple more questions if you'd like me to please.

Yep.

Um so airport designation, Boise Airport's designated BOI.

I can't, I don't know what NAMP is.

Does a drone port have that type of FAA designation?

Yeah, so our drone port or the the paddock um often will have its own physical address for the purposes of emergency response.

It is an FA regulated site, but it's not given airport code.

It'll get a code from us, um, but it will not have its own unique airport code.

The drones themselves though do have tail numbers, and so they are all individually marked and they are branded with Amazon.

So they are easily identifiable.

Okay.

And then as far as um there's no audio recording or anything like that on these drones, correct?

Correct.

Okay.

Uh so they couldn't pick up a conversation or something like that.

No, they could, yeah, Commissioner.

No, they could not pick up a conversation.

And then how far away, and it's probably to staff if you had an opportunity to look this up.

Seven and a half miles from the from Boy 2.

What's the what where do we land seven and a half miles down the road?

Which direction?

Any way you want to go.

So the seven and a half miles is basically to the middle of the of Lake Lowell from this location.

And then it does reach into star and parts of Meridian and I think that's Caldwell.

Okay, so all right.

That gives me a really good understanding.

Commissioner, can I caveat that thing?

That is all those subject to eligible airspace.

And that we are not interrupting approaches, heavy routed helicopter traffic or other traffic.

And so again, that perfect circle will look like quite the checkerboard when we are done with that input from our local partners as well as the FA.

So again, not everyone will be eligible based on airspace.

Okay.

So for someone like for someone like Jeff that lives south of the airport.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It's my wife that would be out of luck.

You be in luck.

Commissioner, if if we cannot safely navigate there, and we there is any conflict with uh Napa municipal um Commissioner Kirkman is gonna have to get it through a van.

Um so that that circle gets shorter real quick when you have to go around two and a half miles around an airport.

Commissioner Craig, and we have to assess in our navigation is it feasible to navigate around any approaches?

Because the airport also has standoffs.

So there's there's not just the airport property and the runways, but there's standoffs so we do have to have separation as those pilots are navigating in.

So again, most customers who are located in proximity of airport are not going to be eligible for drone delivery.

Um, and so uh again, it's early in the process, but that's what we're working through with the airport commission and the FA to determine eligibility.

Similarly, if you lived within half a mile of a or half a kilometer of a hospital with a flight for life operation, we meet with those hospitals to determine their uh frequency, we speak with their operators, we install a no-fly zone.

So we have locations in other parts of the U.S.

where there's a half a kilometer no fly zone.

Our drones can't deliver to the hospital or anyone within half a kilometer.

I'm envisioning more like a slice of pie out of the circle.

Yeah, and there's always gonna be dead spots, really.

Yes, um, I I do, but I'll save it until after the public hearing is closed.

Oh please Commissioner, so uh oh, because my wife's from Kansas, uh crop dusters fly very low, but they also ascend and then they will enter into some patterns on a normal basis.

So we engage everyone from crop dusting to national balloon associations to determine who are all of the operators in the market from law enforcement crop dusting, so that all comes into our federal regulatory approval.

We work with the flight standard district offices or the regional offices of the FA to determine who is everyone in this service territory and the surrounding area that we need to engage to discuss and interact with our operations so we don't come into conflict with that.

We even look at their flight frequency, similar to like hospitals, how often they're sending the helicopter in for whether it's a trauma one center or a regional center, um, just to then augment our operations so we don't conflict.

Yeah, so in um in Arizona, we were navigating to a customer and a hot air balloon went into um uh an airspace where it was not pinging on radar.

Our drone picked it up from over a thousand feet away, identified it, and conducted a evasive maneuver to uh deconflict from it, and then we file what's called a near miss report with the FA to identify here were our operations during this time, our drone successfully identified it, conducted an evasive maneuver and deconflicted from that high hot air balloon.

Yep.

Um I should just mention two other things regarding what some of the conditions the fencing non-metallic versus wood, some of that is to present or to reduce metallic interference uh for the drones and our communications with them.

Um and then the contact, because of our drone team is based locally at the site, our flight monitors are based locally.

Um, two sets of contacts are available.

One our flight monitors, so whether it's the police department can pick up the phone, they get a direct call to a flight monitor who can cease operations installed in a fly zone in minutes.

Um the second is that within whether it's an emergency, they can be contacted immediately, establish a no-fly zone.

If it is a non-emergency response, that person's available.

Also, myself is available.

When we've had an incident like the one I mentioned, Richards in Texas, I was on the phone with the city manager within an hour of the incident to communicate what was going on in our follow-up process.

We issued written response to the city regarding that issue.

So myself and a colleague represent the state of Idaho relate to our economic development efforts, and then our individuals will be based locally at the site, based locally at the paddock, and we'll be in communication uh with law enforcement.

And then my contact information, cell phone numbers already been provided and well established with the city staff.

So you're not the in other markets, you're not the only commercial carry like delivery.

What who else is are you competing with?

Like what other examples are out there?

Sure, Commissioner, in the Dallas Fort Worth area in Houston, and some other markets that are in development, there are third party providers.

So they they deliver someone else's goods.

So like Wing or Zipline or Drone Up may deliver for like a Walmart out of a grocery store parking lot or a DoorDash provider like a Jimmy John's or Chipotle.

So they're delivering someone else's asset from a location that's more commercial retail, less kind of industrial like ours.

And so we see that a lot in uh Texas markets.

So does the drone just go to the Jimmy Johns parking lot and they load it up and go and so again I'm I'm speaking from the primary perspective, so I'm not this is not an official comment on other operators.

Generally, they have some more temporary type solutions that roll out of a van in a parking lot, and they take off and go from there and then they roll everything up at night.

Um or a tenant like a retail or food establishment creates similar to like a drive-thru, but it's like a um uh uh deployment area on the side of the wall that then takes off.

There are videos of it you can check out, um, but those are different than how we operate.

Yeah, and my reason for asking is this could open up this market for more of this type of activity.

So it's no and our goal is to hopefully set a standard like we've done, Commissioner, like with our community engagement that we will continue to do is to outline how we can be best in class, you know where it's originating from, going to.

Um our communication will only increase, but the first piece is we want to come first work with the city of NAMPA on the land use, as then we will move forward with further communication with the FAA with other jurisdictions, law enforcement regarding our operations.

Thank you, Chairman.

Yes.

A question I I thought about after we started this, didn't ask you before.

Well that apartment buildings.

There's no play, no backyard to land in.

I mean, you know.

Commissioner or Commissioner goes to eligibility.

So with apartment buildings, multifamily development or very dense development, the challenge that we find is we will not deliver in the public way.

We're we want to deliver on private property as to not be a nuisance.

And so often some multifamily developments may have like a large parking garage, um, but not a lot of green space where we can safely get the drone down.

We really want to require an 18-foot radius to safely come down, not conflict with trees or anything, drop the package and ascend.

A lot of apartment buildings don't have that.

If they do, we work with the property uh management firm to identify a centralized point so all customers have their drone deliveries to that.

But that's case by case because if we can't safely deliver, similar to like a commercial property, they may have a big parking lot, but we don't want to deliver into a parking space where someone might run it over or cause any conflict with cars or people walking in the parking lot.

So again, not everyone is eligible for drone delivery.

The goal is that as we um expand, we identify more use cases where we can do that.

We've seen requests from multifamily uh senior assisted living homes and other locations that are a little bit tighter.

The goal is has to be on that private property, not like on the sidewalk in the public way.

Or a park.

Someone might live right up next to a park and say, hey, just drop it in the park, I'll be right.

That commissioner, that's a great example, a huge safety concern.

Our goal, the customer's property, chair, excuse.

So just to clarify, back to the other jurisdictions in other cities that this affects.

So I understand using FAA irregulated airspace that kind of opens the door a little bit for use and not needing approval.

But I just wanted to clarify that this does impact other cities, and they don't necessarily have a say in it because it's the it's almost like a loophole that it's an FAA regulated airspace, and therefore the other jurisdictions don't necessarily get a say in it, even though it does impact them.

Commissioner, I wouldn't call it a loophole.

Um, we are following all regulatory requirements, state, local, county, and federal.

Um, the land use is reserved for the city of Napa because that's where we're operating.

Federal regulatory process does allow us to navigate through approved airspace.

Um, our communication with will with the jurisdiction will be that we have an intent to take off from our boy to site.

You have areas of your community that are within our service territory where we are allowed to deliver and that we intend to deliver to customers who opt into the service.

If that particular city wants to say no, we would encourage them to contact the FAA regarding that specific feedback.

But we will make notification.

We will also include from the city of Nampa a direct contact so they can inquire with whether it be the police department, Rodney from the planning department, how this was approved, the conditions that are um uh within that.

Um but our goal is to be very transparent in our operations, and so that's the multi-jurisdictional notification.

I'm happy to copy staff into every communication I make them aware of that.

It will be similar in nature to each community, and then we're happy to go brief their city councils, city managers, um, relevant parties as to what our operations will look like.

But their only recourse to go ahead and have any kind of rejection would be through the FAA.

Correct.

Okay, other questions.

I move with close public hearing.

Second, it's been moved by Kirkman, seconded by Garner to close the public hearing.

All those in favor?

All right.

Any opposed?

Public hearing is closed.

No, I just have a comment that um the lady who brought up in her public testimony from Star, um, that was something I hadn't thought about, and then you were asking the questions about other jurisdictions and things like that.

But the thing I that I was thinking about is we open um, you know, if NAMPA had well look at the village in Meridian.

How many people from NAMPA go over to the village and meridian?

Do we have to get meridians permission to visit that?

No, it's it's just kind of the same concept with as I started thinking about that more and more.

Um, yes, they'll make notice to other jurisdictions that this is services available, but we don't put a notice out to other jurisdictions that our Costco is open now.

Come and visit it, but we want them to because it benefits us.

So I was just kind of making that distinction too, and I was trying to solve that because it's a it's a valid point that was brought up, and because this will affect other communities in the area, but then how much do other communities and what they have affect everything else that's going on in the Treasure Valley?

So I was a little bit hesitant with this whole idea, and as I was reading through the staff report, but I you know, all the questions that I have been answered, and all these issues that I thought were have been mitigated so far, and it's coming no matter what we want to do.

This type of commerce is here, and it's gonna just get more and more and more.

And I appreciate um having some controls and it and it very you know, having these things in place rather than somebody pulling up in a van in a parking lot, which that idea you shouldn't have said out loud because that's a really good idea.

But anyway, because Amazon's gonna take it now, and they're gonna make but but instead of somebody pulling up into the parking lot at a grocery store and doing their own, you know, flying stuff here and there and whatever, at least it's controlled and it's and it's well thought out and it's uh tested and so on and so on.

But anyways, so I I moved more to yes, I'm a I'm for this.

Can I ask?

I'd like the attorney to help educate me if that's all right.

You want to just go that's a good idea.

That's a tall order.

You guys are very very sharp, very hard to educate.

Yes, I know.

No.

Um, yeah, just to reiterate uh Rodney Ashby uh planning and zoning director's point.

This is a conditional use permit.

It is a quasi-judicial decision, and so you are authorized to uh put on conditions you feel are prudent, necessary to comply with uh the code.

Um that's our city code plus the comprehensive plan, and that kind of carries over from a discussion earlier, um, some of the elements in there about general health, safety, welfare.

Um this is an interesting area.

I think the applicant has done a commendable job at talking about the FAA piece to it.

Um there's kind of some magic terminology in there, the FAA preemption that we just cannot touch as a city.

Um FAA preempts that area that is on flight paths, um aerial highways, and we can't have a total outright banned uh ban on this.

I don't think we're gonna address we cannot address any of that, just make that clear.

Uh areas that you can regulate with an FAA guidance that you have, they do have an FAQ page about stuff like this for cities, and just as a reminder, as you're deliberating and coming to your decision, I think this is what you're getting at, Commissioner Morgan.

Um you can regulate the takeoff and landing locations.

Um altitudes, um, you can have uh regulate what interference it may have with a property owner's actual use and enjoyment of the property, uh the land use or zoning.

There was a comment made about um operation hours.

That would be considered a land use, right?

That's a regulation that you um could regulate under a CUP.

Um you could consider uh any harassment uh of individuals or groups, if any uh privacy, voyeurism, trespass on property.

I think that's been uh spoken to here, um, reckless endangerment, emergency medical services, search and rescue, um, taking photographs or videos with uh respect to particular facilities.

I think that's been addressed here, protection of wildlife.

Again, I think that's been addressed.

Um those are those are options within your purview that you can consider as conditions on this permit if it were um granted tonight.

But there is some off-limit areas, no fly zones, if you will.

Forgive the pun.

Um but uh it is late.

Uh but there is the FAA preemption areas that we cannot touch that that I addressed earlier.

Can I keep following up?

Question all right.

Um some of it will be curiosity, but I think a lot of it's gonna be relevant for tonight.

Where does at what height does FAA airspace begin?

Commissioner, if if I may, we do have our airport uh Lindsay Johnson here with airport, she may be better suited to address that question.

I don't know that answer, frankly.

Uh Daniel sitting over there gone, no questions for me.

There we go.

Lindsay John Smith Airport.

Um airspace begins at right above the ground.

So if at the above the plate of grass is FAA airspace, above the treetops above your roof, it's so thirteen thirteen feet is still air space, and that's why he's saying they're under FAA regulation everywhere except for where they land and pick up the next delivery.

That's correct.

Okay, and so calculated move on any other smart questions.

That might preempt all preempt for the um all my questions, but now that's flight paths, um, aerial highways, um, what else I have here?

Airspace efficiency.

That's preempted, but although that long list, the laundry list I read off that's within that land use realm, if you will.

So a a few years ago, there was a big deal about the I think it was the Air Force bringing in the new fighters and all the noise that would bring into the the neighborhoods around the airport right now.

They're happening again.

Yeah, F16.

Yeah.

Um does this is it the same thing where the city can the city say no, those fighters are too loud, they can't play over our city.

Or I'm sure there's even more than just federal law there.

There's military stuff, but uh chairman.

If I may, again, there may be some areas in there that I cannot address.

Um what I can say is one of our conditional use permit criteria, and I staff feel free to wave way in on this.

It's the fourth criteria that talks about excessive noise, odor, um, and a few other factors.

I think we have it pulled up here, thank you, Rodney.

There you go.

And so that is a condition uh within your purview and authority.

Uh that's this is a recommending body, right?

Um, that you need a way.

Okay, what you know, as you read this, is this detrimental by reason of excessive, I think excessive everywhere here is crucial.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's up that's a that's a judgment call again that you would be able to make in this case.

And we have a record here that's I think that's been addressed and spoken to with decimal levels and um giving you enough substantial evidence to make a decision.

So hypothetically, if we thought maybe the noise won't be so bad, but it turns out it is have any recourse.

Yeah, exactly.

It's a CUP, so um, I would just need some direction from the the commission from um at least two residents um to make a complaint about it.

Uh, even I could go out and assess that and determine whether that's a a valid concern.

And then I can revoke that.

If there's if I find it valid, the concerns are valid, I can revoke the conditional use permit, and then they have to come back to you to reinstate that C UP.

Do we need to condition that or is it kind of assumed this process?

Because it's in the code.

It's in code.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, we're I think maybe I'm not the only one struggling with just the novel thing in our neighborhoods, right?

I'm thinking about how many times the Amazon truck drives past our house in our neighborhood, and is it gonna be that frequent?

Well, just imagine that then any number of drones that fly and drop something in the backyard, that's one less trip on a truck on a road that's causing traffic.

So I mean there's there's upsides to it as well, right?

Well, wait a second, not necessarily.

I mean, when you it's obviously they're not gonna have as many as the trucks, right?

But it's a lot of things.

I was gonna say you take one package out of a van and put it on a drone, that van is still going to a hundred different places, but it might not be coming down my street.

But it's going to 99 places now instead of a hundred.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I mean, at this point, but who knows how much the volume's going to increase over time.

Yeah.

I mean, I get where you're going, but that that seems a little is that a good thing?

I mean, uh if it yeah, if it's traffic, yeah.

If you if you just I I think all that we could do is take what we've been presented as I don't think that he's lying to us.

No, right?

If they've only had you know two bad incidents and they've been doing 26,000 deliveries over six months.

I mean, that's that's pretty significant.

And if it is only as loud as a vacuum cleaner, that's not gonna bother me.

I play my stereo louder than that.

So I probably won't even hear him.

But um I'm sure that there are people out there that are gonna be disturbed by it because they didn't want to hear it.

They were reading their book and they were drinking their coffee and they didn't want to hear that.

So well, I think there's a difference between having your neighbor run a vacuum and then not having a vacuum 13 feet in the air.

Well, for 20 seconds, well, it descends and then goes back away.

Yeah.

And then there I don't think I don't think it's in, I don't think it's 100 feet in the air, and I'm probably not even gonna see them.

So I I I just think that they're yeah, I I get what you're saying.

I I think that there are some concerns, but for me, just in in what I've heard, most of my fears have been elated.

I don't have a problem with it, and I lean to towards approving uh recommending approval.

And my thought about that is if you listen to I don't know every single item, well, not every single, but the majority of the items that we've listened to in the last I don't know, five, six, seven, eight years, what's the biggest complaint?

That the city that the city is not thinking about or not planning ahead well enough is traffic.

So if this can help even slightly alleviate traffic, well that's a plus.

But that was my that's why that was my comment based on is that people there could be some that use that as a justification to move forward with this.

I don't see that as a justification because I it's not that big of an impact.

Well, but every little thing matters.

Those vans are still gonna be going with a hundred.

26,000 packages, that's a lot.

I think the the vans will still be on the road.

What I think it might get reduced is those same-day delivery, like that are just in their private vehicles and are just driving.

And that could be we get a lot of those.

Because those are the smaller more quick fast delivery.

Same day delivery stuff.

I just my my only concern that I can think of right now that hasn't been alleviated is just the the how many drones at what point are we gonna be seeing?

Yes, I know they're gonna be two, three, four hundred feet in the air, but as they start landing, I mean, are all my neighbors gonna have drones just start dropping stuff in there?

I mean, that's the that's the image that I'm the image, yeah.

Well, but the willy envision, I'd like Amazon would love to see that value come to fruition.

But then by that token, if if there is that significant of increase in packages being delivered that way, then it can only naturally reduce traffic.

But it just moves it it takes Daniel out of a job because it can't talk about traffic.

No, it allows Daniel to catch up and now it lands on the airport breeze.

Because they have to talk about the air traffic.

So yeah, we just and we could go round and round on this.

I I'm gonna do that.

How many did I hear him say how many drones were they starting with?

13?

12 and 15.

12 to 15.

12 to 15, I heard.

That's I mean, it's a starting point.

That's not bad.

I don't cover starting.

I don't have a problem with that at all, right?

Yeah.

Well, again, guys, it's it's just like we said before.

This is a C UP.

If somebody in the city doesn't like it, and Rodney can substantiate complaints because in fact it's 200 decibels, not 63, like was advertised to us, then that CUP can be pulled.

It's always a mechanism, yeah.

And you talk about traffic right now in my neighborhood, every time the UPS van, the uh FedEx van Amazon van comes down the street, they drive down the center of the street because the trees hang so low, they flip the trees off.

So when they park to deliver the package, they park in the center of the street.

So I'd be glad to have the street open again with drones so I can drive down there and not worry about the other truck drivers.

Sounds like you need to be right in your HOA.

No, not I'm like the three if you're mentally if you're still deliberating on our conditions of approval.

Um straight it says anything that will be detrimental, person's property, general welfare, etc.

Can you just go to detrimental and uh anything detrimental hurts, hinders, or puts damper on something?

So that helps give you clarification as to what our what our conditions are and and what that brings what that brings to light.

And the question is is the eerie feeling of having a drone over your neighbor's yard detrimental, or is it just like something new?

Or is it cool looking?

What's that?

Or is it cool looking?

Well, it's a different it is to different people, right?

Right, you don't know who thinks that's because it says excessive, right?

Excessive noise, not just a little bit of noise, too.

So that was the case, everyone had an electric lawnmower.

Well, Mr.

Terra, I'm ready to make a motion if there's no other comments or suggestions or com or questions.

I'm okay with that.

All right.

So I moved to approve I'm I moved to approve the project as stated on the screen.

Second.

It's been moved by Kirkman, seconded by Kehoe.

Can we have a roll call, please?

Copeland.

Yay.

I no.

Okay.

Yes.

I said A.

Fiend.

No.

Kirkman?

Yes.

Garner.

Yes.

Keyho?

Aye.

Miller?

Yes.

Morgan.

I wasn't ready yet.

Ready now.

I'll say yes.

Okay.

Five in favor, motion carries.

So those two that voted against is don't no no package delivered to their house.

But the money list.

I just want to clarify something.

I I thought I heard six yeses and one no.

Were you a yes?

I was a yes.

Okay.

Oh, I thought you said nay.

No, I messed up.

I said A, and then I said yay.

Okay.

You are sorry.

She was like the phone.

And then she said I I get up at three o'clock in the morning, so this is late for me.

Okay, this C UP will become effective 15 calendar days from the date the written decision and reason statement is provided to the applicant unless an appeal has been filed with the planning and zoning department with the appropriate fee.

No action should be taken on this CUP until the appeal period has concluded.

The applicant must confirm with the planning and zoning staff that there have been no appeals.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chairman, I move to close adjourn the meeting.

Second.

It has been moved by Copeland, second by Garner to adjourn the meeting.

All those in favor?

Any opposed?

Meeting adjourned.