All right, we're going to call the meeting of the finance committee to order on July 1st, 2026.

Mr.

Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Alderman Smith.

Present.

Alderman Sullivan is here.

Alderman at large Greg.

Here.

Alderman at large Clemens.

Alderman at large will share.

Here.

Alderman Cleve, Vice Chair.

Here.

And Mayor Jim Donchus.

Chair.

All right.

The first item is public comment.

Regarding also you have to do that.

Oh, yes.

Excuse me.

Alderman Johnson is also here.

Thank you.

First item is public comment regarding any of tonight's agenda items.

Is there any member of the public who wishes to speak to the committee on any of that?

I don't see anyone, so we will move to communications.

The first two communications are emergency purchase orders regarding a leak at the landfill.

If there are no objections, I will accept those and place them on file.

Next communication from Amy Gerard purchasing manager, Alderman Sullivan.

Did we miss the other two?

I'm sorry.

You you talked about the POs.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a contract with Motorola Solutions Inc.

for the Motorola system upgrade and additional services, including security upgrade services, and remote security upgrade services, preventative maintenance, and astro technical support in the amount not to exceed 318,732.

Funding will be through Department 157 Citywide Communications Fund, General Fund 54 Property Services.

Mr.

Mansfield.

This is an annual maintenance agreement that we have with Motorola.

The first item on there is a system upgrade agreement, which every two years Motorola comes in and upgrades our network infrastructure to make sure that it's up to speed with uh the current security as well as the current technology and changes out whatever needs to be changed out.

Uh this coming year is a year that uh they will be actually doing performing the work, and it's already scheduled for May of next year.

Uh the next one is uh security upgrade services and remote uh security upgrade services.

Basically, what this is on a monthly basis, they upgrade or update our systems with uh the most uh recent security updates.

Uh they do it remotely, uh and then we go and basically have to reboot the the uh the units to make sure that uh everything loads properly.

That's just protecting the uh viruses and whatever else is out there today.

Uh preventive maintenance Motorola comes in uh annually and they perform prevent the maintenance out of the sites, uh retuning the radios, testing the lines, making sure the antennas are the way they they should be to be in tune.

And the last one is the uh astro technical support, that technical support uh is support they provide via phone.

Uh where when we have uh issues, we see alarms in our office, uh we start troubleshooting them, and if we get stumped, we can call them and uh they basically assist us with uh resolving the issue all right uh alderman Greg.

Um thank you.

Is this a um the upgrade?

Is this you said it's every other year?

Yes.

So this is not so this cost that we're seeing right now is not something that we see every year or it is it's it's average half.

It's halved.

Okay.

Thanks.

Alderwoman Clee.

Uh thank you.

Um the the amount is for uh $318,732 and 35 cents.

But as we're reading it, it says that the agreement total for this year is only 267,507 and 53 cents.

So the balance would be next year, is that correct?

No, so the the that's the total for all of the the contracts that that we have.

Okay, so this this 267, if I may, Mr.

Mayor, is 267507 plus the 30,000 for the security upgrade, plus all of these adds up to that.

And we're gonna make the payment all in one year, is that correct?

Okay, thank you.

All right, all those in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next communication from Amy Girard purchasing manager, Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve an amendment with Kale America Inc.

to provide the required wireless data connectivity system support and warranty coverage for all parking pay stations in the amount not to exceed 31,392 dollars.

Funding will be through Department 166 parking fund general fund 55 other services.

And I think we have some more uh Jill Ms.

Ms.

Stansfield is on the line, I believe, or on Zoom.

Hi, yes, thank you.

Jill Stansfield, parking manager.

This is our annual uh service agreement with Flowboard Flowbird, formerly Cali America, uh, for our pay station data services and warranty coverage.

Um they are holding their pricing as they had last year.

Uh this is the first time this is before the finance committee, as the uh contract has now exceeded the 25,000 dollar threshold.

Um of the big drivers of that is the school street garage uh devices are now um under this agreement as well.

Um we've worked with FloBird uh again, formerly Calais since 2012.

Um they have um been a great uh partner to the city.

They're they're they've maintained their pricing for the last couple of years, and then prior to that for several years.

So uh happy to answer any questions.

Um on that.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um Ms.

Stansfield, do we own these pay stations or are they um or do we rent them?

We own them.

We own the pay station, so this is just an agreement.

So if I may, Mr.

Mr.

Mayor.

Um, so when we recently changed the um the I guess the um online that we were doing that did not affect the pay station, or did we have to change pay stations when you say online?

Are you referring to the parking app that we have?

Yes, exactly.

I'm sorry, apologize.

Yeah, the parking app.

Yeah, no, two separate methods of payment.

Folks can either use the pay stations or they can use the passport parking app that we have.

Okay, okay.

So that um if we change the app, it doesn't affect the um the pay stations that we have.

Not at all.

Okay, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

Just for clarification, Miss Stansfield.

You mentioned that they held the pricing last year, but this year it went over 25,000, and that is because of the school street, adding the school street garage.

Correct.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Next communication from Amy Girard purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file uh an amendment to the contract with Greenman Peterson Incorporated for the continued oversight of the project on phases two and three until the project's completion in the amount not to exceed 117,455.30 cents.

Funding will be through Department 129 City Buildings fund bond 53 professional and technical services.

Um good evening.

Uh my name is Tim Lamere.

I'm with uh GPI, and I'm the owner's project manager for the parking garage projects.

And this item and the next uh couple of items are all interconnected, and they are representing the phase two uh project cost that are planned for the three phases of the Elm Street and High Street parking garage repairs.

Um you might recall I was here about a month ago for uh phase three, which is uh has been executed, and phase two is now the last uh chronological phase to be executed, which this contract mentioned is the owner's project manager services for phase two, and that's that's what this amendment is for.

Um Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

I'm gonna ask the same question on probably the next for the next three.

Uh you said that we approved phase three, but then you said chronological order, and now we're doing phase two.

Very much not in chronological order.

Sorry, in calendar, sorry, yeah, Mr.

Mayor, in calendar order, correct.

Uh they're um right, chronological uh right.

It's not in chronological, it's uh the calendar order is uh one three two, and it's because phases two and three are are completely disconnected from one another, phase two is just the Elm Street garage.

approve phase three but then you said chronological order and now we're doing phase two very much not in chronological order sorry in calendar sorry yeah in calendar order correct uh they're um right chronological uh right it's not in chronological it's uh the calendar order is uh one three two and it's because phases two and three are are completely disconnected from one another phase two is just the Elm Street garage and phase three is the uh the wayfinding and the um facade treatments so uh they were planned uh a certain way where phase three would would roll in as the structural repairs were completing so phase two is the last uh contract to be executed as part of the three phase repair work okay that would follow yeah uh so when I'm looking at this I'm thinking did we know that there were three phases of this project and why we didn't just include that into the contract in the beginning uh to answer that ms mayor there were always plan to be three phases um the major component of not executing everything together is uh which we might get into when we get to the construction contract of this and that is we didn't necessarily need a CM for all three phases so it would not have been cost effective for the city to have one uh giant contract out of the bond on a single bite but it phase three for example does not use a CM and that saves considerable money to the city to execute CM being construction manager construction manager correct yes Alderman Sullivan uh thank you last one uh because we're adding these amendments are we're gonna be on budget or we're gonna be over budget all these amendments are plan for and under the uh budgeted value per phase okay thank you alder woman clean uh thank you um just uh more more of a statement than anything as as you said we've always from the beginning we talked about I remember talking about the the three phases of of these things and so on um and it and it's not uncommon to do multiple phases in in some respects it's also we do them in phases and please correct me if I'm wrong here we do them in phases when um we want to make sure that we can stay on budget that we can um get as much accomplished as possible so we kind of break things out and say this is the overall project but we're gonna do this first meaning the lighting and so on or and then come in behind with all the other stuff and phase two was the facade thing got pulled out is that correct yeah absolutely and and phase one has the lion share of the work and if for some reason phase one had a lot of unforeseen conditions or or construction issues we have off ramps to not do two or three so that that's exactly right.

So then I do have follow up yes based on that um so these these amendments to the the CM to the construction management um these were unforeseen they weren't built into the original portion of the contract or why the or more hours than necessary um yeah Mr.

Mayor to answer that more clearly uh because we now are executing the construction cost of of phase two are hoping to do so and okay two more items these um the item we're talking about right now the OPM services and the next item the architectural services are the services that go with managing the construction contract for phase two so we're trying to execute all phase two work for consultant and construction fees together as opposed to uh for example bringing forth a consultant agreement for phase two before we know we want to execute phase two then ma then maybe I'm just a little confused here so when I think of an amendment I think it's something that we had not planned for um and it's you know you got into wall you found out there's asbestos there.

Did we not plan for these costs?

No they they're they're plan for um but uh one of the standard operating procedures is to have uh for example the construction administration from uh the OPM like myself or the architect be proposed and then when we go to construction execute that piece is that is that help clarify it it does a little bit um thank you all those in favor of the motion say aye aye opposed motion passes next communication from AV DRID purchasing manager Haldeman Sullivan I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve an amendment to the contract with Randall Paulson Incorporated for construction administration duties during the construction of the parking office in the amount not to exceed 42425 dollars funding will be through department one twenty nine city buildings fund bond 53 professional and technical services and again Tim Lamir as the owner's project manager and as mentioned the previous item this is for the architect to provide construction administration services for phase two and again this is a uh a a planned uh fee from the architect to provide us construction support for the next item on the list all those in favor of the motion say aye aye aye motion passed next communication from Amy Juart purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve an amendment

And again, this is a uh a planned uh fee from the architect to provide us construction support for the next item on the list.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Motion passed.

Next communication from Amy Juard purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve an amendment to the contract with Whiting Turner Contracting Company to include the build-out and renovation of the parking department office in the Elm Street Garage and the amount not to exceed $2,300,320.

Funding will be through Department 129 City Buildings fund 81 capital outlay improvements.

Mr.

Lamair?

Yeah.

Tim Lamere again with GPI, the OPM.

This contract is the construction contract for phase two.

So it is the uh total uh uh guaranteed max price contract with Whiting Turner, and for this work Whiting Turner won a qualification space selection in 2025.

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

I want to uh not sure you can answer this, Mr.

Lemire, but maybe somebody can.

In the second paragraph of the communication we got, it says here the total figure for this effort is like I mentioned two million three hundred thousand three hundred twenty dollars.

The source of the funds is the parking garage repair fund created to implement the project.

Where might I find that?

Is that in the budget?

Is it uh where could I find that?

Well, these are bonded funds, right?

Well, we did bond to do this.

That's where this money is coming from, I believe.

But it yeah, Mr.

Mayor, that's correct.

It is it is all these are in part of the $15 million bond approved for the Elm Street and High Street garage repairs.

So we do we do or we do not have a parking garage repair fund.

I believe I believe the answer to that is yes, but through the through the bond.

I hear it.

Tim Cohen's director of administrative services.

So there is a parking uh fund, but that's separate than what the source of funds per paying for this uh project is for.

We use general obligation bond uh debt service follow-up, yeah.

So if I wanted to look for this parking garage fund, where is it?

So when you say the parking garage fund, I believe what you're referring to is the trust fund.

So the parking trust fund that we would have.

It would be an expendable trust fund.

I would have to get you the number.

I can't tell you off the top of my head, that would be separate from uh separate and apart from what this is that we're talking about.

Okay, so it's my hope that if I because I know where the I know where the trust funds are, if I look in there, there will be 2.3 million in there to cover this nut.

No, so when you sit, so I I I guess I don't exactly ask understand what the question is because you're saying parking fund.

So the the question relates to the fact that the the memo uses the terminology parking garage repair fund and it probably more accurately would just say money from raised from the the bond that was sold regarding these two garages.

Correct.

So the parking garage repair fund is not is really an inaccurate description of where this money is coming from.

Okay, could I just request that we correct this so we know where the where the money is coming from?

Can you submit a corrected um you give us a corrected memo?

Uh yeah, uh yeah.

I'm just looking, I see you see what I'm saying.

You see what we're saying here?

If you look at the memo data, June 23rd, last line in caps, there's parking garage repair and then fund with a small small um I'll get a clarification just on file for the record.

Maybe you don't have the memo right there.

See, have you got it now?

Yes, yep, and I'll I'll make sure that this gets clarified for the record.

But there is a trust fund for the garages, but that is not where this money is coming from.

This money is coming from the funds that uh will be obtained by borrowing the total project cost of 15 million dollars, right?

That's correct.

Thank you.

All right, anyone else?

All right.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Aye.

All right.

Motion passes.

Uh next communication from Amy Gerard Purchasing Manager, Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve the renewal of a contract with target solutions learning LLC, doing business as vector solutions for the annual renewal of software subscription for Nashua Fire Rescue's online training platform in the amount not to exceed $79,546.29 cents.

Funding will be through Department 152 Fire Rescue Fund, General Fund 54 property services.

Good evening, Chief Luxton.

So looking for a favorable approval to renew this contract.

Target solutions is our platform that we utilize for all our fire department certifications, credentialing in our ongoing training platform.

This is a little north of $25,000 a year, and it's a three-year contract we're looking to execute.

All right, any questions?

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Next communication from Amy Gerard purchasing manager.

Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a three-year contract with ADS environmental services for the flow monitoring of the collection system and the amount not to exceed $329,500.

Funding will be through Department 169 Wastewater Fund, Wastewater Fund 55 other services.

Mr.

Boucher.

Good evening, David Boucher, Wastewater Superintendent.

This is to enter into the contract three years with uh ADS.

What they would do is they would put uh nine uh flow meters in uh our permitted combined sewer overflow sites throughout the city, as well as eight flow meters in our interceptor, and uh they would also monitor three rain gauges throughout the city.

Uh we're required to uh submit information monthly to our regulators in regards to this.

This they do would have a computer system that would notify us of any of these activities in any of our combined sewer overflow sites, and we also use the flow meter data from our interceptor for uh future growth.

And uh this is a new company to us.

It's uh we vetted them uh and uh we would like to use them.

We went out to bid and they were the low bidder.

You have any answer, any questions?

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

Who was our old company?

It was flow assessment.

They were out of Auburn, New Hampshire.

Okay.

Oh, I see them here, yes.

Okay, thank you.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Next communication from Amy Gerard purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve amendment two with resource management inc.

for management of biosolids at the wastewater treatment facility and the amount not to exceed $60,000.

Funding will be through Department 169 Wastewater Fund, Wastewater Fund 54 property services.

David Boucher, Wastewater Superintendent.

Uh, this is amendment two uh to our PO for the FY26 season.

This is to cover the final uh uh load of biosolids to be managed uh with our current company RMI, resource management.

This would finish off the FY26 season.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye, aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Next communication from Amy Gerard purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a contract with bills world-class cleaning for cleaning of the DPW facilities, street and traffic buildings and the wastewater treatment facility in the amount not to exceed 90,000 dollars.

Funding will be through departments 160, admin and admin engineering 161 streets, 168 solid waste, and 169 wastewater fund.

General fund wastewater fund 54 property services.

David Boucher Wastewater Superintendent.

Speaking towards this because they they clean our facility as well as the uh building over at 848 East Halls.

Uh this has been our uh cleaning company to do general cleaning services.

Um they do a great job.

We've had them uh for the last couple years.

Um they're professional company.

We like their service, we'd like to continue to use them.

And uh they also agreed to hold their prices through the FY27 season.

All right, great.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you.

Why do we have a cleaning company come in?

Don't we have any people in our in the DPW that does any type of maintenance and cleaning that they could do the facilities?

I could speak the now.

Oh, sorry.

Dave Boucher, we saw the superintendent.

Uh I can speak for the wastewater facility that uh our people, uh the maintenance crew cleans up after themselves, the operators clean up after themselves.

This for the general cleaning services for the bathrooms, cleaning the cafeteria, the floors and taking out the trash and that.

Uh we the the crew is busy otherwise, so we have the services three days a week at the wastewater plant.

May I continue?

I think Mr.

Cummings could settle the answer, right?

Yeah, if I may.

I again Tim Cummings, Director of Administrative Services.

So I actually had lengthy conversations with Director Foto about this.

We want to move forward with this contract to ensure that we have the services in place, but the reason why it's a one-year contract is because uh there is an intention and desire to actually bring it in-house and and move away from this contract uh as time goes on as we look to build out the facilities department.

But as you know, we are just starting to uh put those building blocks together and actually have a program for the DPW.

That's something that we will be working on in earnest in FY27.

And so, in lieu of us having anything in place, it was the best practice to have this contract, but it would be our intention to move away from it uh as time goes on.

Thank you.

Alderman Johnson.

Yes, thank you.

Mr.

Cummings.

So, what kind of plan do you have in place to stop moving away from this?

Because I know 90,000 isn't a lot of money.

But when I look at you know the administration building and um DPW, we're talking street department too, that building also that gets cleaned, right?

That's so toxic, and nobody did anything with the ventilation over there.

Um so we're cleaning that.

So, what being cleaned in that?

The bathroom and the lunchroom over there?

Yes, I think you could describe it as general custodial uh services for the various current buildings uh for for DPW.

May I continue?

Just my final question.

We don't have any custodial services at all that maintains the buildings now.

A the big new administration building, we don't have anybody that we had on board to take care of that big building that we spent millions and millions of dollars on.

Again, we're talking about uh the DPO admin, the DPW administrative building.

All of it, but that's the last of the buildings, too that you got in this contract, right?

Yeah.

And the answer to that is we do not have custodial staff.

Shame on us that you didn't provide for that to begin with after you built that big building.

Thank you.

That's what we're trying to do, and we're trying to work towards, and we've had this contract in place for a couple of years, and we are looking to bring it in-house because I think it will be cheaper and more efficient for us to provide it in-house as opposed to the last few years us actually have doing it externally.

I also want Mr.

Mayor, I want to just confirm.

I I I went back and checked, and it was a typo in the previous memo.

Um, and it was left over from a previous expenditure, so I'll get that uh line updated.

Thank you.

And this has to do with that was the park and garage fund, yeah.

All right.

Uh woman Clean.

Uh thank thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, and I I apologize.

I you sat down, Director Cummings, and I just have a really, really kind of a quick question that um and my question is I'll ask it why you're walking up this way.

Um $90,000 as it was pointed out is not a whole lot of money.

If we were to bring um somebody on and give them health benefits and give them um salary and all the other things like that with benefits, is this gonna really save any money?

Um, or would we be bringing on I mean I look at $90,000, I look at an employee and I look at what it's costing us for health benefits and so on.

Is there a lot of savings here?

So I guess I wouldn't use the word a lot.

Uh it really depends on the benefits.

thousand dollars as it was pointed out is not a whole lot of money if we were to bring um somebody on and give them health benefits and give them um salary and all the other things like that with benefits is this gonna really save any money um or would we be bringing on I mean I look at ninety thousand dollars I look at an employee and I look at what it's costing us for health benefits and so on is there a lot of savings here so I I guess I wouldn't use the word a lot uh it really depends on the benefits okay I can tell you that um putting the benefits aside if it's a direct dollar for dollar I would say a custodian is you know mid-40s to mid-50s in that range then yes when you add on the benefits on top of it I wouldn't say it's a lot of savings um but it I think there would be some savings if you did bring it in house may I just just as a quick kind of side note maybe if we had like two half times we're not paying as the the same benefit so we might be able to save some money on that and this is not the first year we've had this contract we've had this contract year over year um so it's not like suddenly we built this building and we brought this contract on we've been having it regularly correct that's absolutely correct and that's one of the reasons why Director Foto and I have been working so closely together to implement this facilities program on behalf of the city to take advantage of some of these opportunities when this contract expires we'll be able to layer in the services needed and and be able to hopefully provide it more efficiently thank you and you don't need to stay for my next comment if I may Mr.

Mayor um I I say bring on two halftime people because then we could save the benefits but truthfully I'm not sure we could hire halftime people but anyways uh thank you all right anyone else um all those in favor of the motion say aye aye opposed motion passes thank you next communication from Amy Girard purchasing manager uh Alderman Sullivan I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve change order number two to the 2026 paving program contract with sunshine paving in the amount not to exceed 630 thousand dollars funding will be through department one six zero admin engineering fund bond 54 property services good uh evening is Dan Hudson City engineer um so we had bid out two paving contracts for this season contract one and contract two the aggregate cost of both those was above what we were looking to complete this year so um we didn't award contract one we ordered contract two um we're seeking to amend uh be a change order to add in some additional roads into contract two um I'd be happy to address any questions alder woman clean uh thank you um when you're saying paving work on Manchester Street and West Hollis Street I I know Manchester Street has been pavable parts of it have been paved throughout the years is this additional to what's already been done correct this would be additional to what's been done okay and and the same thing with with Hollis and so on correct yes West Hollis the scope is to pay between um Riverside well actually Officer Roche drive and um ledgewood because that section is is pretty pretty rough right now.

Yeah no I agree agree thank you so much all those in favor of the motion please say aye.

Aye motion passes next communication from Amy Gerard purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and award a construction contract with RWC Enterprises for the 2026 sewer and drain improvement project and the amount not to exceed 749,395 dollars funding will be through Department 169 wastewater fund bond 81 capital outlay improvements.

Dean Hudson City Engineer so we bid out this project to do some sewer drain work this summer this is in addition to other contracts we already have in place one being through crisp contracting um which is primarily focused on sewer work this one would be sewer and drain work RWC Enterprises of Nashville was the low bidder on this project we're seeking to award to them and I'd be happy to address any questions all those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye motion passes next communication from Amy Girard purchasing manager Alman Solomon I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve amendment number one to the engineering contract with IMEG Incorporated for professional engineering services for the 2026 sewer and drain rehabilitation program in the amount not to exceed 388000.

Funding will be through Department 169 wastewater fund bond 53 professional and technical services so this contract is for engineering services uh to help support some of those construction contracts I mentioned previously both the work that uh crisp contractors are doing and also RWC is quite quite a bit of work and we require outside engineering support to help um uh manage it um both from a uh you know engineering standpoint in terms of uh designing improvements where needed that sort of thing recording work uh but also um full time in the field construction oversight to make sure that uh the city's getting what it's paying for in terms of those contracts I would be happy to address any questions about this contract alder woman clee uh thank thank you um just a really quick question and I know that there's been a lot of and I appreciate all the the sewer work that's being done throughout this city um I I need to ask you

It's quite quite a bit of work, and we require outside engineering support to help uh manage it, both from a uh you know, engineering standpoint in terms of uh designing improvements where needed, that sort of thing, recording work, uh, but also um full time in the field construction oversight to make sure that uh the city is getting what it's paying for in terms of those contracts.

I would be happy to address any questions about this contract.

Uh thank thank you.

Um just a really quick question, and I know that there's been a lot of, and I appreciate all the the sewer work that's being done throughout the city.

Um I I've asked you this question in the past.

Um, some of the issues that you're finding are is it just like I know you put cameras down and so on.

Are you finding that you need to actually replace a lot of the piping, or is it um just putting the liners in and so a good question?

And it varies a lot.

So the the this uh engineering support services for the the dig construction that we you're talking about.

We actually have to dig up pipes or repair structures, that sort of thing.

Um the crisp contract is is more of a emergency on call sort of contract.

Um we have some things planned, but but a lot a lot of that contract is as an emergency issue arises, we can go respond to it uh immediately.

Um this contract here, we again we have a bit of planned work that we know we need to do, but then there's also some flexibility in here to add in some additional work as we find it because we're always finding things.

Uh this year has been particularly bad for sinkholes for whatever reason.

Um that kind of varies year to year.

But uh, so we will you know, as we investigate those those things, we find problems, we need to go out and repair them and and uh and and dig up the road to do that, and and this is the engineering oversight support uh for that type of work.

Just one more quick.

Actually, it's kind of a a double question here.

Um does does this also pertain to if um I I know in recent years that the there have been complaints in the downtown area, sewer smell and so on, and I know that you guys kind of found that there was an issue.

So, would this contract be with that, or is it only overseeing the the contract that we have for um planned um work?

Uh that's a good question.

So uh lots of the city, we have a combined sewer system as you're aware, uh, the downtown primarily.

Uh that's the oldest portion of our system, so that kind of makes sense.

Um as we repair uh structures, um, we add in things to help with that.

Like there's there's these hoods that we can put in over the outlet pipe of a structure which helps uh reduce some of those order odors.

Um we are doing some minor separation in places where we actually separate the drain from the sewer, uh, but not on a wholesale uh major basis.

So I I don't want to insinuate this is gonna deal with all the odors downtown, but this uh that is something that we consider as we do the repair work.

Okay, thank you.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you.

Can any of this work be done in-house or does it all have to be um outsourced?

So it needs to be outsourced to do the the work at the level we're doing it.

Um we have our engineering staff uh that we have is fully utilized.

Um we have multiple people working in these programs, you know, to manage the contracts for these process invoices, coordinate uh uh our internal uh file review and efforts with the these external parties that are working.

Um, it's we don't have the capacity to do this work in-house.

Can I just do a follow-up?

Because I know you talked about sinkhole.

I have one at the end of my block.

And it was amazing watching them dig it up and replace everything.

Um, but that was done by the city.

It was not outsourced.

Yeah, that was so that's like an investigator repair thing.

That's true, but but um oftentimes we find issues which are beyond the scope of what the city's staff can uh or crews can uh manage, and so that gets handled that way.

Uh in addition, you know, we're videoing pipes all the time.

We'll find places we can't get the camera through, probably pipe collapse that needs to be repaired, things like that.

So we're we're uh in that drain contract, sewer drain contract I mentioned.

Uh we we get lots of resident complaints, and it helps us address those by making improvements in the drainage system and repairs and things.

So um so there's a whole variety of things uh that are encompassing these projects.

Um but it is it is of the scale that we need outside uh engineering support.

Thank you very much.

All right, all those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Motion passes.

Next communication for Mamie Drug purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to uh make a motion accept to accept place on file and approve amendment number one to the construction and engineering services contract with IMEG Incorporated for the 2025 CIPP sewer main lining project in the amount not to exceed 118,935 and 50 cents.

Funding will be through Department 169 wastewater fund bond 81 capital outlay and improvements.

So we continue to CCT inspect and CIPP line.

So that's basically a pipe plastic pipeliner inside of an existing pipe wherever we can uh where we're concerned that the pipe may be at the end of its useful life and needing repair versus having to dig it up, which is much more costly.

Again, this is engineering support services.

We uh for that program.

We um bid well, we did a change order actually to what National Water Main Cleaning Company's contract to expand their services through this season.

Um so this is to supplement that uh with the engineering services to help us with oversight of that.

Um we just neglected to bring that at the same time, but but uh we're seeking to do that now.

And this is services that this company's provided throughout the life of that project, as you saw is 2025 CIPP.

So we've been uh we've been change ordering that contract, and so this is looking to expand and continue the engineering services similar to what we have done for the actual construction effort.

Be happy to address any questions.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Motion passes.

Next communication from Amy Gerard, purchasing manager Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve the engineering contract with Hazen and Sawyer for tasks required by the EPA MS4 permit in the amount not to exceed 149,156 dollars.

Funding will be through Department 169 wastewater fund, wastewater fund 81 capital outlay and improvements.

So the city is under a municipal separate storm sewer system permit or MS4.

Um this is through the EPA.

Uh this allows us to discharge drainage or stormwater basically uh into local waterways.

Um with that comes permitting requirements.

Um we including testing uh some of the outfalls for illicit discharges and then chasing those through to try to eliminate those where we find them.

Um and then there's an annual permit that we need to put together, which is fairly significant.

Um Hazen has per has helped us with that uh each year of the permit.

We're in permit year number eight for this current permit with EPA.

Um we're seeking to continue their services uh again in a support role to inner support role to engineering uh in-house staff to be in compliance with that AP EPA permit.

I'd be happy to address any questions.

Alderwoman Cleeve.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, not necessarily for this this contract per se, but when we do have to do a um a release into the the river and and so on, that is reported through Concord and it there's it's on our website as well as on the um I think it's on the state's website, is right correct?

Yes, that's my understanding.

So that previous uh previously uh uh superintendent boucher, he uh he brought forward the monitoring or the flow flow metering, I guess I should say, contract.

Uh that's at some of those outfalls, so those are continually monitoring uh when we have discharges, we need to report those uh to a number of entities.

Um so yes, that that work does occur.

Um thankfully we haven't had any major ones like uh Haverl's having uh that's a major event that I hope we don't see here.

Um but um yeah, that is being provided for and we need to report those things through this uh permit as well.

We have to through this permit uh uh report each year.

We have to um we have to summarize and and share with EPA uh again, basically summarize all the uh uh illicit discharges and those sorts of things.

Just a quick yes.

Um so it's as part of this permitting process that you did kind of answer my question there.

So we do report like the previous year um kind of uh release into it and so on.

Um are there ever any um recommendations that they they send us saying you know you've had to release this and and we give them the you said we do a testing, so we give them a chemical breakdown of what was that?

The testing the testing for the uh stormwater outfalls is a little different, so those would be the stormwater outfalls is not really part of the CSO, which is the combined system.

This this permitting here is for completely separated drainage systems, okay.

But even those have some contaminants and things in them, right?

Um, there may be we we've in cases we found uh septic uh lines from houses that were tied into drainage, which separated and uh and then had to go back and uh separate that.

So it's rare, but we do find things like that through this program.

So the testing we do is uh during during uh uh flow events or or dry weather flows, and and you know, they test to see if there's any uh bacteria that would indicate that um you know there was a connection like that, as well as things like you know um you know, laundry, laundry detergents, things like that, you know, just to and if we find those things, then we're required through the permit to chase those through and uh eliminate those.

So um it's just part of the permit program.

There's there's a large F to put the permit report together, but then also there's this portion of it, which is the testing services.

And and just quickly, um, so Hazen is actually just doing the permitting kind of stuff.

They're not really doing all the testing, that's on us, and we give them information as part of the is that correct?

No, Hazen is doing the testing through a subconsultant basically.

Um so they're collecting the samples, they're having them analyzed, they're reporting back to us, but then also they're incorporating that information that they find into the report, and they're helping us with uh assessing any issues as they as we find them.

Great.

Thank you so much.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

We now we're now on to new business resolutions.

R26047, Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion uh to recommend uh final passage to the full board of Alderman for R26047, authorizing amended and restated master development agreement and fourth amendment, the purchase purchase and sale agreement with Lansing Melbourne Group LLC regarding NIMCO site director Hannem.

Yes, um, I'd like to give you some context and an overview of the major changes that we made.

Um the um this amendment is for both the purchase and sale and the master development agreement, and kind of the the in citing incident was the um LMG has purchased a neighboring property as well, um, which then allows us to reconfigure the driving lane throughout the mill yard.

Um, and in order to do that to make it more of a grid system.

Um, so basically you'd be able to drive right into the mill yard and take a left.

We have to break the um original development into two buildings.

So um the amendment does that, um, and it also creates a phasing process.

Um so they would not build both buildings at the same time.

They would build the one closest to the river front first, um, and then they would build the second one that would be um directly behind the smokestack.

Um so this uh creates an option for them to um they would have to pay um uh an annual fee to keep that option for that second building.

Um so we would be getting more revenue from that.

Um, and it also creates a per unit um purchase price uh that increases or I think wait, I'm sorry.

Get this right.

Um it is $35,000 for the first set of properties, the first phase, and $25,000 for the second phase.

Nope, I got that wrong.

That's backwards.

No, I have the right one.

Sorry.

Sorry, so um the first phase is 35, and the second phase is 25,000.

Um so that would create a larger purchase price between the the two phases than we had originally in the original master development agreement.

Um we are losing uh 14 units out of the uh it was originally 254 units and now it's 240.

Um, and that's because the two buildings have to be separated, and we we lose that little section in between.

Um but uh so they would pay us 10,000 a month for 12 months, um beginning after the the first building uh building permit is issued, um, and then escalating fees every year that they don't build that second building.

Um so um otherwise there are no real changes, they are still doing all of the um public improvements that they had originally agreed to, um including parking, dog park, um yes, um road improvements, um, and they have actually agreed to um do operational maintenance uh like snow removal from a little bit more than they had originally planned as well.

So um that maintenance operation is in the packet as well, um, which we did not originally include.

So that is something that they're they have agreed to.

I think that's those are the basics.

So Alderwoman Clee.

Thank you.

So the the bottom line is this is actually gonna add a little bit more revenue to the original plan because I was looking at that the um the developers shall receive credit against the purchase price for the actual out of pocket hard and soft cost by developer in connection with the design construction of the dog park, improvements we required under the MDA.

I just wanted to make sure that this in essence is not costing us more.

It's we're actually right.

Sounds like 10 10 K a month.

The thing, oh, um the the thing we did concede was they they pulled down, they um demolished the building ahead of schedule.

Um and so we did offer them a credit for that originally, and it was a lot more than they thought it would be.

Um and so since they did it on our schedule rather than theirs, um, we did offer them a little bit more credit there.

Um I think it was at 700 now instead of 500.

500, yeah.

Um, but that is still not the full cost of the demolition.

Um so they did take on they they are stay still taking on some of that cost.

Um just one clarifying question.

When you talk about the two buildings, you're talking about the NIMCO and the bagshot building.

No, no, it's not the bagshot.

We're not talking about bagshaw at all.

This is separate from the so originally the the development was one building on the NIMCO site, and they're breaking it into two buildings.

One is closer to the river and one is closer to the street.

Okay, um, and then there will be a street down the middle um going north-south.

Um, and that would continue through through the bagshaw site.

Um, but we're we're trying not to confuse the two sites um since we don't have site control over the bagshaw.

And just quickly, so that that street, is that gonna be a public street or is that going to be so it's a public street, but they're gonna do snow removal and so on on it?

Yes, yep.

Okay.

Um and then the the existing kind of snakey street, um that will that will still stay there.

Um, but because the the grid system will be a much easier um to maneuver maneuver, um that will really mostly be access for fire and and police.

Um and they they do plan on making it more of like an event pedestrian-friendly kind of street, um, so they can have festivals and things out outside.

Um thank you.

Alderman Sullivan, thank you.

You mentioned bottom line.

Can you bottom line this purchase and sale old one versus the new one?

Yes, please.

We um so the original purchase and sale was um five point three million, um, and we conceded 1.2 million for the dog park and and the public improvements.

Um and then this new one will be almost 7 million with the 1.2 million dog park improvements, 700,000 in demolition cost.

Um, and then the the actual the five million is actually almost seven million.

So we we're starting from a a larger number um and only pulling out an extra 700,000.

So we are up about 1.2 million, I think.

So is where we ended up.

That is 1.2 million.

Yeah, and that doesn't include the option cost too that we will be collecting while they're um while they don't build the second building.

So that we don't know how long that will last, but it likely will at least last 12 months, so that would be an extra 120,000.

And then it's 240 the second year, and 360 the the following year.

So we this is a better deal for the city in terms of financial deal.

Um we were hoping to get all 240 units built at the same time, um, which is where we're conceding.

Um they are paying more for that that they get to phase out.

Just a comment, please.

Yeah.

I would love like a summary page on top of this.

Okay.

That clearly outlines old purchase and sale, new purchase and sale, the different conditions of such, and the net net on the bottom, because what happens is you mentioned all these numbers, and unless and until we get the the whiteboard that I've been advocating for for the past four years in the chamber, it's really hard to follow.

Okay.

So that's all I'm asking.

I'm happy to follow up with that as well.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you.

And you're gonna make sure the full board gets all this information.

Okay.

I I believe I I usually just follow up with the finance committee, but I can ask have Donna share.

Please, because I'm new to this.

You know what all this?

Yep.

So make sure.

My question is with a NIMCO building is how close is it to the technology mill yard center?

It will be in the same location as the NIMCO building was.

So there is a uh power station, the substation there.

In between, there's um lots of parking.

Um, and then the Milliard Tech Park is is right there.

Um I just make a comment.

I see all these new buildings going up, all these apartments, and here's my question all the time.

We're filling them up, but we're not filling up more jobs coming to the city.

And I've said this since day one, and you know it's gonna come back.

Well, we don't have enough people in the department and all this.

I think before you stop bringing people in, you stop bringing the jobs in so people have work and then they can afford the rent.

Thank you very much.

If I can just respond, um we typically don't see new people coming in.

We're at less than one percent vacancy, so that we're typically housing existing employees.

Um this is we're we're in the middle of a housing crisis, so we're we're trying to subsidize the the amount of housing there is in town.

Ms.

Mayor.

All right, but we're not here to have a debate about something unrelated.

But yes, please, Ms.

Johnson.

Yes, I just like to see some type of um information that shows how you um how the housing would all the people in the community and how we're renting all these places.

If we have any type of data, I'd just like to see the data, please.

Thank you.

We and that's no problem.

I mean the vacancy rate is very low.

To the point where people can't find apartments.

Um at least those who can pay.

Um this all right.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

I motion passes.

New business ordinances, we have none.

There's nothing tabled in committee.

There's a record of expenditures.

Alderman Sullivan.

I'd like to make a motion that the finance committee has complied with the city charter and ordinances pertaining to the record of expenditures for the period from 12 June 2026 through 25 June 2026.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Motion passes.

General discussion.

Any general discussion, any discussion that is general, but not specific.

I don't I don't know what that means about that.

Specific discussion.

Are we talking military generals?

There's no exact more general.

All right, I don't see any general discussion.

Public comments.

Is there any member of the public who would like to speak to the finance committee?

Please give your name and address or name and town.

Name and city, please.

Lori Ordolano, Nashua.

I want to talk to the committee, and I when I can come out, I want to talk to every board about how you treat the public.

Because I came to the hearing, and I saw so many of the people who got up there mocked, uh, snickered at by city leaders, not board members that were really talking, but city leaders.

I myself, at the end, had Director Cummings go up and address my conduct with Gary Perrin.

He no, and nobody in the city wants to talk to you.

You litigate too much, and you know, you're too difficult.

Nobody wants to talk to you.

We have to do everything in writing, and then went on to, which was not relevant to the budget item.

When I tried to counter it, Tim said it shut me down.

Really, the discussion by Director Cummings was obnoxious.

Because when I do it in writing, I don't get a response.

You pull the rug out from underneath me.

I recognize I am this city's cunt.

I am one big cunt.

Excuse me.

Every shut up.

No, shut your fucking mouth.

It's my public comment.

Ms.

Orlano.

So Ms.

Ordolano, wait.

No.

We're going to take, we're not going to take away from your time the time I spend right here.

But the rules of the board do prohibit, but I will say discourage the use of profanity, like the words you were just using.

And also, if you want to be treated with respect.

I don't.

I've never been.

You can't yell at an alderman to shut their effing mouth.

She's interrupting my public comment.

Because you're using profanity.

Then she can go to you.

But that is my public comment.

And let me say this.

I do not expect to be treated with respect.

I have never been treated with respect when I come to the microphone.

I am not treated with respect by this board.

There were aldermen here, every one of you could have done something.

I look at Miss Clee when I came in to protest the sign and banner ordinance.

And when I finished, she said, Oh, this is just what we can expect from this lady.

She always comes in with signs.

She's going to carry them in, she's going to wear t-shirts.

This is what we're going to see.

Did I ever do it?

No.

You did.

I'll send you the minutes.

And you don't remember it.

Okay?

But you describe me with the narrative that the city uses on me all the time to create this negative narrative.

You are an asshole.

And you don't belong in this chamber.

Well, I don't care.

No, Mr.

Mayor, I'm sorry that this is this is against the rules.

No, it is not.

It is against the rules of public comment.

We passed it through.

Have you watched any board meetings on other towns where they stand up, some of them moon, some of them stripped down to a bat bathing suit.

I don't know.

Some of them tell people to fuck off.

And you know what?

It's their constitutional right.

And I'm just telling you, don't treat me with respect.

Because I thought long and hard over the weekend.

What suggestions have you given and accepted from me in five years to make an improvement in records?

Have I made one?

I asked you to load a spreadsheet.

Your assessing office is a CSV file that has 30,000 properties across 30 fields, 750,000 fields on the website that we can download and cut.

But you won't put a right to know spreadsheet because it's too much work.

So we have to file right to knows to figure out where our stuff is.

Just put it on the website.

I can't make one suggestion.

Going forward, I am this city's cunt, and every right to know will be signed that way.

And damn you people for doing it to me.

Nobody helped me.

Not once in six years.

And every one of you aldermen is going to hear from me at every meeting with this language.

And just for the sake of understanding the situation, you wonder why city employees don't want to speak to you.

It's because now don't engage.

You don't engage with this with the public.

And you don't get the last word.

It's because you have treated employees within City Hall exactly the way you're speaking now.

And after you abuse them.

You never documented that.

You never documented it, man.

There would be a hundred letters in HR if that went on.

Believe me, this is on the record.

So when you say this is the way I treated city employees, go give me their letters.

Because I know you're a liar.

You're a fucking pig and a liar.

And I'm just sick of it.

They're afraid.

Gave up the narrative because it fits your agenda.

Fuck you.

They're afraid to reveal their identities to you, Ms.

Ornellano, because this is what you would do to them.

So they come to city leaders, sometimes on the verge of tears, complaining about the way you have treated them.

And in fact, at one point, we needed to have a trauma counselor in here talking to city employees about the effects of your deal, you know, the way you treat them.

So that's why no one wants to speak to you.

And as I said in one of the lawsuits that you brought when you questioned me, I expect city employees to treat customers with respect, but if someone like uh a member of the public is abusive to city employees, I don't expect them to continue to engage with that person.

So that's the end of that story.

Anyway, let's um we have that on tape, I think.

Yes.

So um any we've now taken public comment.

Are there any remarks by aldermen?

And I do take exception to Ms.

Ordelano's remarks.

I, as chair of the committee, do have a right to speak in the committee, uh, not just Ms.

Ordelano.

But anyway, Ms.

Alderwoman Clee.

I think thank you, uh uh, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, I'm sorry I'm gonna use a little harsh language myself here, but the ignorance from the last speaker to speak in such um terms and so on, while she feels that she has the right to do that.

We have students that are watching these things to learn city government and so on.

We bring fourth graders up to the State House.

If anybody from the from this committee or any alderman spoke in that kind of language, I would ask for them to be removed.

I would speak to the president about it, and I'm sure I wouldn't have to because she would be taking it to arms.

So to turn around and say it's her right and so on.

The fact that that parents are now not going to be able to allow their their children to listen to something like that because she's threatened to come to every single meeting and speak in that kind of term and so on.

I think something needs to be done because I find it offensive.

I don't care what she called me.

Trust me, I'm an adult, I'm 65 years old, I can handle any words that are being used and so on, but the ignorance to not care that there are going to be young people that are watching this and so on, and we don't have a delay.

Um I it just it sickens me.

It absolutely sickens me.

Thank you.

Any other um remarks by Alderman?

Alder Woman Greg.

Thank you.

Um I'm certainly disappointed with the turn that that just took, and I think that um, you know, we give grace a lot, and as elected officials, we live in a different kind of fishbowl anyway.

But um I respect everybody that's in this room.

We all have a tough job.

We don't answer to one person, we answer to a lot of people in the city, and um I'm just very disappointed that somebody would take um their right to speak at this meeting and disparage the hard work of the people in the city and the hard work of the people in City Hall.

I do know, and I have spoken with people in City Hall that um have become worried because of the lawsuits and stuff.

So I mean I I know that firsthand, and it's always our position.

I know everybody I've talked to on here to try to help the public, whether they're angry at us or not.

Um, but I certainly don't think it uh requires verbal abuse in this uh chamber.

So I'm disappointed anyone else?

Any other remarks by Alderman?

If not, I see the president of the board over there, and I will call on Ms.

Wilshire.

I may motion to adjourn.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All uh motion passes.

Uh and the meeting of the finance committee is adjourned at 8 07 p.m.