0:50Good evening and welcome to the December 2025 meeting of the Municipal Arts Commission.
0:55My name is Marissa Bowen.
0:57Other board members here tonight are Fred Spinewitz, Nahandra Hernandez, Michael Morrero, and Jane Walls from the building department.
1:05We have Joe Compliermo and from the Department of Development, we have Kevin Jimenez, who could call in our agenda.
1:13Tonight we have two, this should say adjourned.
1:16We have two adjourned cases.
1:18First case on the agenda is case 192025.
1:23Application by Lloyd Silverman to install one awning at 138 North Avenue.
1:35We'll do a second call.
1:58So we will be proceeding to the administrative items.
2:02The first item is an art proposal at 33 Westchester Place.
2:10You could pull up a chair as well.
2:21Let me just go with screen.
2:29Just introduce yourself and then you're just the art piece.
2:33So my name is Rachel Spader.
2:36I'm representing All State Ventures Developers.
2:39And I'm here today to present our proposal for the art betterment program.
2:48So our proposal is based on the city guidelines and the fees for three buildings.
3:18So the cost of this art is about 250,000 plus additional cost for plans, lighting, etc.
3:27And we're here, we we are in communications with the City of Eddie about this piece.
3:33And we're here today to get the board blessing for this art.
3:39So we can go ahead and finalize the plans and all the details required by the building department.
3:47So Kate here, um yeah, I'm I'm happy to speak a little bit more to the artistic side.
3:54I work with IndieWalls, we're an art consultancy that's done three projects with Rachel and Allstate, and we're excited about the opportunity to do another one potentially here in New Rochelle.
4:05Um when the city was giving guidance on potential placement for this sculpture and intent.
4:10We thought that this artist picture here, Alex Proba would really fit the bill.
4:14Her portfolio is very extensive in public art.
4:17She's done both murals, other site activations, and exterior sculpture.
4:22And as you can sort of see from the small image, her work is very colorful, expressive through form and pattern and color.
4:31She really enjoys the the joy of art and activating the surrounding environment.
4:37Also loves when both little kids or people of all ages are interacting with the art.
4:42It's not precious or off limits in any way.
4:44So we felt like she would be a really great fit for this space due to how much she prioritizes public engagement.
4:51She is a New York-based artist, so she lives in New York for quite some time now, splits her time, but she understands the importance of locality and the surrounding community.
5:01So hopefully you all will agree and we'll get your blessing.
5:06Is this the sculpture?
5:08Is this what you've chosen?
5:09So you have the same.
5:10This is yeah, I'm I'm happy to zoom in a little bit.
5:13So I can speak to that a little bit further.
5:16So this is just the initial rendering that we came up with again as the as a blessing.
5:21This will be a custom commission, so this is the rough intent.
5:25We will potentially customize it a little bit further if there are any preferences we want to adhere to or stay away from.
5:31But this general fiberglass sculpture that you're seeing is is pretty much the intent here with the three different pieces, the fourth on the top, um, approximately eight to ten feet in height.
5:44And if I can get a little bit more technical, she's very experienced with weather grading um for long-term exterior exposure.
5:52So both the polyurethane paint she uses, the materiality of it, it's all treated for both UV exposure and the elements, hot summers, cold winters.
6:02She's familiar with it all.
6:03So we're very confident in her expertise in executing this for longevity for everyone to enjoy.
6:10How are the four elements attached to one another?
6:13They have interior steel ballasts, so they are comprised of fiberglass, but they're connected by steel to one another.
6:20And then we'd also work with an engineer to make sure we're fortifying a concrete base for it as well.
6:26So it's connected in a sound way.
6:35That's from the art betterment program, I believe.
6:40And does that include lighting and every detail of that installation?
6:45So we're going as the we're going to add the lights.
6:49That's not in the artist um scope of work, but it development.
6:54It's gonna be lighted up from below, then some nice exterior lights to the enunciated.
7:03And that's all considering that proposal.
7:06That's all taken care of or not.
7:08No, so the lighting is not including in here 250,000.
7:13Well, the lighting since it's uh minor expense relatively to this um project, then we didn't get a specific proposal for it yet, but that's gonna be another couple thousand dollars.
7:29We'll we'll take it on us maximum, you know, like uh that's not something first.
7:36We want to see if we're in the direction, and this is something that could work with um the art betterment program wheel, if that goes to what you you're meaning for, and then we can go ahead ahead and finalize all this small details and get the final um budget and everything.
7:58But first, we need to know if this is what you were looking for, so we can go ahead and start working on it.
8:06And once we have that blessing, if you will, we'll then develop more specific renderings of what the actual artwork will look like.
8:13They'll be to scale, we'll contract an engineer, we'll develop the site plan.
8:17So we'll get into that minutiae.
8:19This is more of an initial pulse check to make sure we're on the right track that this is something that's amenable to everyone before we proceed any further with those details.
8:28And that includes the colors, right?
8:30So Joe, they would have to come back once.
8:33This is administratively, they just want a blessing to say that this is in the wheelhouse.
8:37The financials will be reviewed later.
8:38That's not the board's purview.
8:40Um they just want to approve all the concept of something like this, and the artist so that they can move forward to the next step and actually commission the piece and get all those finer details.
8:51And to the color and the pattern end because this will be a custom commission.
8:54If there's certain elements or hues we want to stay away from or gravitate towards, we can certainly take that into consideration.
9:01And what about the height?
9:04Yeah, that's something we'll flesh out as well.
9:05So you would go a little higher?
9:09And children can interact with this.
9:11I think there was some or more samples in the core.
9:16These are all kinds of.
9:20Um, as you can see, she's she's done quite um a bit of exterior sculpture work before.
9:25I think there's one more page.
9:26And see, there's um especially the the one thing in the bottom.
9:34It's definitely something where prioritizing play and engagement and touch.
9:39So that's definitely all considered throughout the fabrication and commission process.
9:44They say mentioned from the right in the little part.
9:46How long has that been in place?
9:50I believe that's been there over five years.
9:53So and it's opening up okay in terms of color and durability.
10:00That in addition to the polyurethane paint I mentioned, she uses a primer and a top coat to make sure that the cover is even and there's no cracking related to weather changes.
10:07So it's really the most durable paint you can get for an exterior sculpture to make sure that it lasts for a long time and looks good for a long time.
10:15We don't have a color scheme like this downtown.
10:18So it's really nice.
10:25Yeah, that little that little street down there.
10:28Yeah, her work is very vibrant and fun.
10:31I think it will be a good idea.
10:32Is the color is the color integral or is it applied?
10:36Yeah, I'm just asking because I always kept concerned about like vandalism.
10:39Somebody comes and does graffiti on it.
10:41Yeah, how would that be handled or could it be fixed easily?
10:44You know, I would need to see it back to you on that.
10:45I do believe it is applied, but I'm sure that's been taken into consideration before, so I can get you a more specific answer on that.
10:54And should that arise, what the plan would be.
11:00Any other questions?
11:05I think it's a good choice of artists.
11:07So you are we can go ahead based on the fees for the street building.
11:15Submit all that paperwork to Kevin and Jorge.
11:18And they'll they'll approve the financing part of it, financial part of it, I think.
11:22And then they'll come back with the final design to the board's final plus.
11:26The artificial plusing, I should say.
11:29This is just the precursor.
11:33Well, thank you for your time here.
11:36So uh just by the financial in part, um, this is qualified for working with uh with this budget of that 236.
11:46Obviously, we're going to sit and finalize and get into the details.
11:50But we're gonna take now a couple of tens of thousands of dollars just in business doing engineering and planning and get uh building department all the details that they need, so that's uh where we are thank you so much.
12:07That's gonna be so much fun.
12:08That's in Miami, but the Miami, yeah, those are those are in malls.
12:11Yeah, yeah, it's a that's in the design district, it's really cool.
12:15She has a lot of work.
12:16I think if uh it's in the folder, but I'll I can share.
12:23If this goes well, is it possible to put more of these in the downtown area?
12:27So it's becomes a theme, like you could walk around and go see.
12:32Because they're you know, to have one of these in Anderson Plaza, work it up.
12:36Yeah, and there's some positive needs a little cover infrastructure.
12:41Um so the next administrative item we have is um an art proposal at 11 High Garden.
12:48Okay, I think they have a five.
12:51This is really cool.
12:59Do you have the other documents from the machine?
13:12Did you guys submit anything new since the last meeting?
13:14Yeah, we write it those dimensions of the drawings, uh the current uh progress photos.
13:23And uh the dimensions.
13:28Well, if we had all that, we could put you on as a case and got your formal resolution.
13:33Oh, I think that's uh I don't recall seeing it, so I don't know.
13:40Yeah, we're gonna see.
13:46So the one that I have here is this one.
13:54So this is the email I have city square.
13:57We submitted it through the building on the portal and city square.
14:02We don't get notifications of the uploads.
14:07So that might have been the discovery.
14:11Um we haven't had a chance to review.
14:13Apparently, they submitted some stuff through the portal, but we haven't had a chance to follow them.
14:17I think they they presented once before.
14:20Not sure if everybody was here for that, but if you want to just run through it real quick, do you have like maybe an email or something?
14:26You can forward it to us.
14:27I can pull it up here, and then we can waste the you know, without a meeting.
14:33It's not in any of this.
14:35It's just the the document.
14:37You know, there's no email, it's just a document, yeah.
14:47They've made their selection, right?
15:00So uh I'm I'm the artist uh yeah, I'm representing the uh studio doing the piece, so I can go further into the piece and then we'll see how we we do actually have one of the installations finalized up in our gallery right now, so we do have pictures of that or share with you guys.
15:14Yeah, the next one actually is um well on its way to being finished.
15:18So in the process of doing doing the work, so you know, getting the permit to do all the work.
15:25Um we're anticipating another maybe a a couple more months.
15:29So it was the first the first window, kind of kept going through uh fine tuning the process and everything.
15:36We're not the end of the world if you have to come back to the next meeting.
15:39No, it's not, it's not.
15:41So yeah, it's it we have some time to finish you know the rest of the pieces.
15:44So uh yeah, so we have this one has been hanging for a few a few weeks now.
15:51So it's been kind of nice having actually up in the gallery all lit up and everything, so it's cool.
15:58We're super excited how it's underway.
16:08Which one is garbage tree?
16:17Uh yeah, that's the dimensions.
16:21Do you have any photos of all?
16:25Uh it's not in this one, it's in the other attachment um it would be labeled rendering.
16:36Do you have the uh current picture of the seen this before?
16:43Just seeing one, now we know it's right.
16:45And we we do have if we were able to bring it up, uh the current one that's up in the gallery.
16:49So you can kind of see it, you know, real scale in real time.
16:53Have you gotten any feedback from people passing by and well so well?
16:56So it's it's our private scaler right now, so um it's not there yet.
17:00It's not it's not hanging up.
17:04We've made a uh we've made like a mock-up frame, um, you know, the same dimensions as the the bay windows, so we have it, you know, as it will be, you know, cutting systems.
17:14So is each window a different color scheme?
17:17Yeah, so we're kind of so here I can kind of scroll through here.
17:20Um so here, you can kind of see it's generally a little too far out.
17:25Generally kind of following like a change in season, like seasonal color scene.
17:30Um so right now we we've completed our we're gonna call it our nighttime motif.
17:36Um that's the one hanging up.
17:38Um, and we're currently working on this one, kind of summertime.
17:42Um so uh you know, they we have kind of roughly base it off of these.
17:50I mean, we're we're you know adhering largely to what these um renderings are, but you know, through artistic uh, you know uh expression if you will, we've changed it up a little bit.
18:04Um but adhering to this colors.
18:08Um I have pictures on my phone.
18:13Um did you have pictures of the one that we sent?
18:19Well, I mean if the board has any questions, we'll get you back to the day work meeting.
18:22Yeah, we'll get you on as a formal piece so we can get you present.
18:27Yeah, yeah, you guys we've been here, yeah.
18:29We've kind of you know presented.
18:31So um I think so so it's just a matter of having the permit uh uh yeah the application, yeah, you know, just reviewing submitted.
18:39Yeah, with the insurance, yeah.
18:43I don't remember for this one.
18:45I think that was part of the hang-up was uh yeah, we sent it um November 19th.
18:50Yeah, that was after the last meeting.
18:52Yeah, we have to print it out, get all the signatures on and bring it to the to me in the building department.
18:58Oh, I can print them out.
18:59Yeah, we have all the completed executed forms on the portal.
19:04Yeah, print them all out, bring them, you know, bring them down to the building department anytime between 830 and 230.
19:10We'll be able to potentially mail it because we're on one.
19:15I live five minutes down the road, so if need be, we can print things out.
19:20I can bring them in too.
19:27Alright, hopefully, hopefully I'll be finalized.
19:29Yeah, thank you guys.
19:38It's nice to see all these pieces following.
19:40Four sixties are everything.
19:50Okay, so yeah, we'll adventure.
19:52Okay, so yeah, we have it.
19:56Alright, so uh the third item on administrative is the artist certifications.
20:07I know you need one seat.
20:09Do you mind if I make this one?
20:11Just meet today, guys.
20:21Good evening, everyone.
20:29So I'm gonna give you two minutes.
20:31I'll put two minutes and then just you just have the floor to kind of um introduce yourself and tell the board, you know, what you do, why did you apply as in for an artist certification?
20:42Um that you might find pertinent.
20:46Well, okay, good evening, everyone.
20:47Uh my name is Chastity for Bone.
20:49Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to present myself and my business.
20:52Um, my business is feel it healthy spots.
20:56So basically, um, I have a nutrition club, everything's super healthy, high in protein, low in sugar, low in carbs, which is what we all are kind of looking for, right?
21:05Um, there's something for everyone in my shop.
21:07So from toddlers to breastfeeding moms to pregnancy to the elderly, we have something for everyone.
21:14Um a couple years back, I wasn't as healthy as I am today.
21:18So I did uh take the steps to better my health, and now we have a storefront, which I absolutely love what I do, which is the reason I am here today.
21:26I'm super passionate.
21:28I plan on expanding my business, my recipes, and the longevity of health to the computer community.
21:34So that's why I'm here.
21:50Can I just grab my phone to get the exact site?
22:28Oh sorry, I think it went so long.
22:30Let's give me one second.
22:48This is a little bit of what I have.
22:50So on the top, you'll see fill-in healthy spot.
22:53In the middle is our amazing protein shakes.
22:55I have some energy drinks here.
22:59This is also another kind of energy drink, a different flavor called Berilicious.
23:03On the side, you can see a little bit of the macros on the computer.
23:05You can see you can't really see it up there.
23:07It says zero sugar, 20 calories, the amount of um caffeine, etc.
23:13And then I'm going to so here.
23:18So let's just type a laptop in a long time.
23:29So, perfect example.
23:33One of our best sellers, the waffle.
23:36Double waffle, you can take a look at the macros.
23:39So, for example, 311 calories, 34 grams of protein, 29 grams of carb, seven grams fat, five grams of sugar, three grams fiber.
23:47So, like I said, we have a little bit of everything for everyone in our shop, no matter what journey you're on, whether it's maintaining, looking for you know, a quick meal to pick up while you're on lunch.
23:58If you have, let's say it's two week and you can't eat something, we have something for you as well.
24:02Um, kids that come in and want to get, for example, this shape right here, it's fun, it's exciting, it's the cookie monster.
24:08You throw a little bit of color, some fun, and everyone feels included, right?
24:12The kids, the adults, the the elderly, it doesn't matter who comes in, we have something for everyone.
24:20Yeah, you're applying as for the artist certification.
24:24Why do you want to be part of this program?
24:25And how does your business or you as an artist talk about that?
24:30Um, so everything I do is legitimately um culinary art.
24:34That is what I literally do all day at work.
24:38Um, I think I fit perfect for this program.
24:40I'm always finding more ways to expand.
24:43How can I create better art into my meals, into my drinks?
24:48Um, how can I make these calling for the community?
24:50And I feel like with the art of everything that I do, that is what makes it so exciting.
24:56Yes, these things are delicious and tasty and great for your health, but the art is really what calls everyone to the shop.
25:04The art of the product you're creating or the art of your pet.
25:07So the art of the product I'm creating.
25:09So, for example, I can make a waffle at home.
25:11It's not gonna be as pretty as I make it as the shop.
25:13So the art around it, the amount of um drizzle, the amount of consistency you put, having no dairy whipped cream opposed to actual dairy whipped cream is a sort of art in its own.
25:25Can you show us photos of the art creation culinary arts that you've created?
25:31So realistically, the pictures that I have on my site are the photos that I have.
25:35I don't have an exact folder to pull up and show you.
25:38Can you click on them to enlarge them?
25:40Of course, of course, absolutely.
25:41Anything specific you want me to click?
25:43What you consider what you want to represent?
25:47That's your artistic creation.
25:50One of my favorites.
25:51Yeah, I don't think okay, so perfect example.
25:54This is a blackberry mojito.
25:55And you think mojito, you think liquor.
25:57This doesn't have any of that in it.
25:59Um I think it's exciting because a couple of our favorite fruits, right, is marinated in here.
26:06So the art of bringing healthy mocktails and tea.
26:10These are basically teas.
26:12So the art of just making it sound like a healthy soda is art in itself.
26:21Does anybody have any questions for I think that's the other thing you asked in I it resonates, and that is how do you see this certification benefiting you as a business or whatever else you want to do in the community?
26:36Well, realistically, I own a business in Urchell.
26:40I want to move to the city of New Rochelle and expand on my business.
26:44I want to I want to become certified in what I do.
26:48I take really a lot of pride in what I do.
26:52Um I do want to expand.
26:55And I want to be able to pass this down to other people, right?
26:59So I think being part of this program will do wonders for me, wonders for my business.
27:13Keller, can I close this?
27:14Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
27:18Um, so uh we don't do the formal vote here, but I'll be in contact with you via email and I'll let you know what the determination was.
27:26Sure, no problem, of course.
27:27Thank you guys so much for your time.
27:30Thank you, thank you.
27:31Come by whenever, guys.
27:37Um so we're gonna do a second call for uh cases for tonight.
27:43Um first case is 192025 application by Lloyd Silverman to install one awning at 138 North Avenue.
27:53Uh second case 242025.
27:56Application by Jose Felipe to install two signs and install lettering at 465 North Avenue.
28:19I'm uh Jose Philippe, the owner of Neuro Show Farms, it's Mr.
28:22I'm still owner of Sign News.
28:27Purpose of my of our presentation tonight is to um erect some new signage, keeping the same format.
28:34Uh we're gonna rebrand the store and name it the key food.
28:37We're gonna be part of the key food cooperative.
28:39Um same logo, except it'll same dimensional logo, except it'll say key food inside of it.
28:45Um as you can see the front of the store uh has you do you have does it matter, Sean?
28:52You can scroll through there.
28:54I think it's in there.
28:55Is this part of the key food for H it's part of the cooperative?
28:59It's it's a cooperative.
29:04So just to get a view of what it looks like now.
29:08We've approved his original signs here.
29:11So they're all going back to the same spot, but they are adding one.
29:17Actually, two, right?
29:19One logo facing the church, right?
29:21One channel letter set.
29:22So we found that traffic going um south on North Avenue when they reach uh the church and the building prior to getting to the building, they really don't know what it is.
29:31And so we'd like to add a small uh sign, logo there on the uh brick face, the stone face on that side.
29:39So that's one addition.
29:41The other edition on your right hand side is uh the key food name there, because when you're at the light and you're looking to your left, you don't see the front of the store, so you really can't see what it is.
29:52It says uh foreign produce, but this way it gives you clear indication of what it is just to give the store a little more exposure and um name recognition that's that's visible, more visibility.
30:03That's that's visible, more visibility.
30:06Can you show us the front one, the front of where the circle is?
30:12Do you want to hold it up the front to the entrance?
30:15Oh, the front, okay.
30:21You want to zoom in?
30:22I think that little picture of the left is the existing.
30:30Scroll in the floor.
30:32Can you scroll up a little bit so we can see the top of the bit?
30:37Um does anybody have a to me, it looks a little crowded at the bottom.
30:47Just like everything is pushed in at the bottom.
30:50I don't I I don't have the solution.
30:52I'm not a sign maker.
30:54Um I but just to me, it just looks crowded at the bottom.
30:58I don't know if if it to split it off, but just maybe making the letters a little smaller.
31:03Well, the variance is what's the variance that you're playing for?
31:08So the logo is 47 inches or 24 is allowed.
31:13That's circles there already.
31:14That's our that's already that size.
31:17Or they are adding a new one on the side that matches that.
31:23Um the other is for four signs where two is allowed.
31:27And qubits of letter height of 29 inches were 24 or something.
31:31So this is what you have, and it says nurse shell very small, and then it says farms.
31:35Uh actually to your point, what we have now is squished now.
31:41And if you see now, key food is very the the the word, the name key food is very visible as opposed to what we have uh right now.
31:48Uh right now what's visible says farms.
31:50Alright, so we're new to show farms, so you see that.
31:52But now you're gonna say you're gonna see key food market.
31:55I think it gives us more visibility now than it did before.
32:00It does, it's just packed.
32:03It's like it's edge to edge.
32:05Well, the original is packed too.
32:07So yeah, the original is sort of packed in there.
32:10You see the word farms.
32:11Um you really can't see near a shell, the word new shell until you get closer.
32:16This now at key food gives you a lot of visibility from from further away.
32:21And you can't move the circle up because of the trim.
32:23Yeah, but then the other line there, horizontal.
32:27No, all right, it's a don't have a solution.
32:29Michael's trying to say that the size, the size of the letters for key food could be a little bit smaller.
32:36And that would answer your question as well.
32:41They're only slightly have the old plans, they're only slightly larger than the roll farms.
32:48Yeah, all right, it's just me then.
32:51Because that's obviously uh not another, you know, that's just a drawing.
32:55Is it going to scale the way they're drawing?
32:59All right, then it's just me.
33:02This is the only so there's a circle going on the other side by the church.
33:09And in the parking lot in the back, we also have the logo, same size, we're just also swapping that out to can we see the new circle uh close up if it's the scale?
33:19The new circle on the side?
33:22On the side by the church.
33:41That one's actually smaller, according to the submission.
33:46The one over the door is 47 inches, the one on the side is only 36.
33:50Okay, yeah, because it has to be within the great.
33:52Yeah, it has to stand on it.
34:06Joe, we're voting these as a package.
34:20Any questions, concerns?
34:21Can we zoom in on the on the lettering or whatever it's going to be on the church wall?
34:30It's only a logo on the church.
34:42That's one bottom there.
34:47So if you can see right here right now.
34:57So they've all got the same symmetry and the same inside.
35:00It's the same circle, but the one in the front has some stuff inside it.
35:03We didn't want to make it too busy because it is smaller.
35:05We didn't want the word the main key food to get lost, and so we eliminated some of the graphics and some of the lineage inside and just kept it sort of plain key food.
35:13This way it's it's very, very visible.
35:16Otherwise, I think it'll lose its focus.
35:21Can I see the front one again just to see the graphics that are on it?
35:31And what about what about the image to the right to toward the right of this?
35:42You see that one doesn't look as crowded to me.
35:44Well, I think that that was going over the the on this over the sides.
35:55Because that space there is smaller.
35:58What's currently there?
35:59Is there anything there right now?
36:04That's residential that way.
36:06That one over there.
36:09Is that is that illuminated?
36:11This is the one that's currently.
36:12Is this illuminated at all?
36:15You see, to me, in this in this elevation, it looks better without the key food.
36:20It just going over the brick and doesn't, and if it's lighted, it shouldn't be.
36:24I don't know if it's okay to light it with the uh residence residential area.
36:37What are you proposing for this spot?
36:40Can we see that one?
36:41The change of the logo, correct?
36:43This is just a little bit more than that.
36:44And the addition of the padding keypad illuminated.
36:53That also gives visibility from traffic coming from manor place as they approach the building, they can see clearly that it's a key food market.
37:07I think it keeps within the character of what's there now and of newer shell.
37:12And uh makes the name key food a little more visible than what neuroshow forums is right now.
37:20The thing is that the graphically doesn't have the right perspective to the and that's what's causing the what's your what do you see?
37:26What's your because the words are going over the front of the wall?
37:29We can certainly so that we can can we shrink that?
37:36Do you have a front elevation of that, like a flat front elevation, not in perspective like you did with the other ones?
37:45Because that doesn't depict the reality of the way that's going to be installed.
37:48Should be the bottom right of the page.
37:55That's the end of the page.
38:06It's just the marker that would be.
38:14That that one looks re real, but we extended it onto the stone face just to give it just some more width and to be pronounced.
38:26Well, that's see that's personally I don't like over the stone face.
38:29We could certainly leave the stone face exposed and then do it within the stucco.
38:33We could we could keep that.
38:35I think it would I would I think it would be a better cleaner.
38:39Yeah, it's more uniform.
38:40And that right now is a 47 inch, and if we reduce the size, then the proportion stays the same.
38:48That answers the other earlier question about crowded.
38:54So it's the height as well, the height and the width will be proportional.
39:03Now one well, a little bit of concern also is that when you're walking toward it, since that canopy since that canopy sticks out, the canopy might block it.
39:13I don't know how far back you would have to stand.
39:16To not to be able for it, it to not be blocked by the canopy.
39:20It's not blocked now.
39:22Now you could clearly see that the canopy doesn't block the letters uh at all.
39:27Yeah, it's very clear.
39:29Actually, if you're driving and then you're certainly lower.
39:33We haven't missed it yet.
39:38Maybe it looks nicer inside.
39:41Give me a couple of inches and I'm sure we all see it.
39:47We thank you for that.
39:49Um, so we plan on reducing the one in the back so that it's within that it fits.
39:58We'll shrink it in here.
40:00Uh any other questions.
40:12Motion to approve um on the condition that the entrance over the back door, the signage is reduced so that it falls within the stucco and not over the stonewall.
40:25Okay, is there a second?
40:32Thank you so much for your time.
40:37Thank you so much, I haven't meeting and hope to see.
40:49So that's it, right?
40:53All right, is there a motion to adjourn?
41:00Meeting is adjourned.