Good evening.

Welcome to the March 24th, 2026 planning board meeting for the City of Neurochel.

This evening we'll have two portions of the meeting.

The first portion of the meeting is open to public comment.

Applicants will be invited to the podium to present the application.

Members of the board will ask questions and then we will open up the floor to members of the public who'd like to make a comment on the application.

If any members of the public would like to make a comment on the application, please address the board with your comments.

You'll have three minutes to speak.

Also, please fill out a card with your name and address, and when you approach the podium, state your name and address for the record.

At that point, we'll invite the applicant back up to address any concerns.

So with that, we'll call roll.

Sure.

Jim Brown is out.

Isabella Cualo Marquez.

Here.

Doug How uh Doug Hewson.

Here.

Walter Lippo.

Here.

Kate Mercado?

Here.

Christine O'Connell.

Here.

And staff members with us today.

Jeff Bream, Deputy Corporation Council, Paul Vaca, building official, Kevin Kane, Director of Planning and Sustainability, and myself, Benito Seha, senior project manager.

Great.

Thank you.

After 13 years of exceptional leadership, our chair, Sarah Dodds Brown, has stepped down from her role.

It's really difficult to summarize what a decade of service she's given to the city in just a few words, but Sarah has been the gold standard of what a public servant should be.

Sara Sarah elevated the discourse of the board, and we will miss her wisdom and measured approach.

And we wish her the best in her personal and professional endeavors and are happy to continue to have her as a neighbor and a community member here in New Rochelle.

So thank you, Sarah.

So we'll move on to item two, our uh site plans special permit subdivision public hearing portion.

We do have a couple of adjournments this evening.

Um so if you're here for those, uh item 2.1, application PB 26-2023 by Guild Capital LLC for site plan approval to construct a single family dwelling on Premium Point Road, block 50 lot one in an R1-10A zone district is adjourned until further notice.

Also, item 2.2 application PB 18-2025 by Ferdinand Martinetti for site plan approval to construct a two-family dwelling at Congress Place.

Block 976 lot 54 in an R27 zone district is adjourned until April.

So with that, we will move on to item 2.3, application PB two-2026 by Young Israel of Scarsdale for site plan approval to demolish the existing synagogue, except for the sanctuary, and construct a two-story edition with parking and utilized parking at 1283 Weaver Street for 1313 Weaver Street, block 3055, lot two, and an R1-10A zoned district.

So the last time that you saw this application was back in November of 2025.

Okay, we will resume the meeting.

Okay.

Thank you.

So I think where I had left off was just reminding the board that this application was before you for referral before it went to the Board of Appeals.

So this property is about two acres located in the R1 ten A district.

The existing synagogue building was originally constructed in 1978.

It's two stories in height.

So the property, and our engineer will talk about this, but the property generally slopes from Weaver Street down.

So there was a there's a significant grade change and also a significant grade change between this property next door, simply Best Market, down to the property.

So the proposal, as you mentioned, is to demolish portions of the existing structure except for the sanctuary, which will remain.

So the size of the congregation will remain approximately the same.

The parking lot will have 77 parking spaces and will incorporate valet parking for any events that utilize the social hall.

And also, as you may know, by religious observance, members of the congregation do not drive on the Sabbath or most holidays.

Instead, many of the members live nearby and walk to services.

So in addition, the plan is to move the entrance of the synagogue from here, which is at the north side to the west side of the property for security purposes.

This will also improve the existing conditions which require the use of refrigerated trucks and tents, which usually are in this area to cater events currently.

Just to be clear, this is not, it's not a school, it's just to accommodate the youth during services.

So for just for background, after we appeared before your board in November, we proceeded to the Board of Appeals.

Most notably we tiered the proposed retaining wall on the southwest side of the property.

Originally it was it went up to almost 12 feet.

So we did tier that wall, added landscaping, provided a more detailed landscaping plan at the request of the Board of Appeals.

And we also provided an updated valet parking plan to the board, which will ultimately be reviewed and approved by the building department.

The Board of Appeals was satisfied with the changes and concluded that the application would not result in any undesirable change or impacts to the neighborhood and granted the variances that we were requesting at its meeting on January 6th.

And I would note that the variances were explicitly made subject to the condition that quote evergreen screening of the retaining wall along the west and south property lines and evergreen screening of the fencing along the west and south property lines remain in perpetuity with plans with plants at least six feet high.

So they did uh make that a requirement of um of the approval.

Um so after that was complete, we went back and worked on the architectural details for the building, and then we submitted the application to your board in February.

Um we did receive comments from Park, the county of um Westchester and City Professional staff.

Um we s we submitted a detailed comment response letter.

We also met with the fire department.

Um so I just want to note that park was generally uh I believe complimentary as the design of the building, uh, and most of the comments have been uh addressed.

We did uh prepare some additional 3D renderings um in response to the comments from park.

So here's um some I think there was this one you had you might have already seen.

And there's this exterior looking northwest and looking southwest.

Um now I'm gonna turn it over to Stonefield, uh project engineer to just take you through the site plan.

Sorry, there you go.

All right, uh good evening, Madam Chairperson members of the board.

Uh for the record, my name is Foster Ting of Stonefield Engineering and Design, the engineer for this application.

Uh office located at 584 Broadway Suite 310, New York, New York.

Uh so as previously mentioned, uh, the applicant is proposing the renovation and expansion of the existing synagogue on the lot located at 1313 Weaver Street.

Uh in addition to the synagogue work, um, we're also expanding and modernizing the site from a civil standpoint uh with updated site access, wider interior drive aisles and improved site circulation, significant landscaping improvements, new utility connections, and upgraded stormwater and lighting infrastructure.

So uh just to take you back, our original design stayed more or less the same since its conception.

Um we removed the dead-end parking as exists on the site today.

Uh we added in the turnaround area at the southwesterly corner of the lot.

That's at this area here.

Uh we widened the drive aisles on site to comply with city requirements.

So under existing conditions, the drive aisles within the parking areas were 23 feet wide.

Uh the main drive aisle in front of the building was only 17 feet wide.

We were able to widen all of that uh to 24 feet wide to comply with city requirements.

Um and we also increased the number of striped parking spots on site um to a total of 77 spaces, where uh which is an increase of 21 spots.

So, in order to support the additional parking spaces and improved access, um we had to add in some retaining walls along the westerly property line.

Um Diana was saying earlier that the site kind of slopes.

There is a grade change of 28 feet across the site, so it's pretty significant.

So, you know, we're needing to expand to accommodate these uh improvements.

We had to we've looked to um implement retaining walls.

So originally the retaining wall was uh reached a height of almost 13 feet high.

Um we went to the zoning board with that, and then you know, after hearing concerns from the public, um hearing comments from the zoning board, we looked into implementing a tiered wall system.

So um you can kind of see it down here is where we have a retaining wall and then a little space and then an additional retaining wall.

Uh so under the retaining wall of the tiered system, uh the maximum height of the retaining wall is now six feet uh with the vast majority of the wall, you know, four feet or under.

Uh so we also uh significantly increase the number of trees and landscaping on site with the focus again on the westerly property line where that um buffer to the residential properties are.

Uh so under proposed condition, we're planting a total of 128 trees.

In addition to the trees and the plantings um along the westerly property line, we're also installing a board on uh six foot tall board on board fence uh to just provide some additional screening.

So we I can pull open the oh if I maybe I zoom out.

Sorry about that.

Control zero.

All right.

There you go.

Okay, so this is the um the view looking at the retaining wall.

So you can see uh we're providing an abundance of trees and plantings.

Uh here's where the wall tiers.

Here's a cross-section view.

Um so this is earlier where the wall is not tiered more on the northerly side of the site.

Uh and then as the site gets steeper, that's where we that's where we had that originally 13 foot tall retaining wall.

So that's where we implemented the tiered system.

So you can kind of see that more in section C C.

And just to expand a little bit more on the buffer.

So under existing conditions, um, all the trees back there are deciduous trees, so um, you know, you're not uh getting a lot of cover, uh, you know, half of the year, half the year the trees are barren.

Uh the existing fence back there is also chain length.

So um all the trees that we're proposing in this buffer area are um evergreen trees, and then again, we're providing that six foot tall board on board fence to really just provide as much of a buffer um an enhancement in that area as possible.

Go back to the rendering.

So uh as mentioned, our team also met with the fire department, and um at their request, we will be widening the existing driveway that we're reutilizing again under existing conditions is around 21.6 feet.

Um, after discussing with the fire department, we will be increasing that to 24 feet.

Uh in terms of drainage, we're proposing brand new green infrastructure practices uh in the form of porous pavement.

So a total of 12,685 square feet of porous pavement is proposed within the main drive aisle here, and then some the northerly parking spaces uh right here.

Uh so we're providing almost double the stormwater storage requirement um from the city, just because the amount of porous pavement we're proposing.

Uh and then the the pavement, the drainage system is tributary to the existing storm sewer line, which it's tough to see, but there's uh an easement that runs through the property that contains an existing storm storm line.

Um and in coordination with DPW and engineering, uh, we'll be CCTVing that line just to make sure that it's in um that it's in good condition.

Uh just to touch on lighting briefly.

So we will be installing brand new LED full cutoff uh dark sky compliant fixtures under existing conditions.

There are six area lights on today um that are a little mismatched and uh differ in height.

So under proposed conditions, we'll be replacing those fixtures with four new um you know uniform light poles uh to provide a safe and efficient lighting plan that also complies with city requirements.

We're not uh there's no spillage over the property line.

So just to sum up on um on the site plan and the existing synagogue, um, you know, it's uh currently undersized, so to accommodate the number of members, so it's a need of expansion and renovation.

In addition to that, we're also again um kind of modernizing the site and upgrading it with um you know improvements such as you know the parking improvements, um, widening all the drive aisles, improve uh site circulation, uh and then just due to the significant grade change um on site.

Um, you know, we had to implement the the um tiered retaining wall system, and you know, we've been happy to work with uh you know city officials on the plan, you know, we heard the concerns from the zoning board, so that's why we went back to the drawing board in terms of the um design of the retaining walls.

Uh so you know, just uh you know feel that we provide like a you know strong like sufficient plan, um, you know, provides uh safe site circulation.

Um, you know, we've greatly improved the buffer on the site, and we're just you know excited to move forward with the project.

Um and I'm turning it over to Ari now who can speak a little bit more on operations my name is Ari Weinberger.

I live at 26 Malvern Lane, and I am the president of the Young Israel of Scarsdale.

Uh I thank you for your time this evening.

Um conceiving and then designing the proposed expansion.

Uh, while we believe that our synagogue and any religious institution uh it provides a benefit to the neighborhood, we recognize that it comes with certain negative externalities.

Uh and we attempted to address um we uh some of those uh in this proposed expansion.

Uh particularly um if you see the uh rooftop play space, which is enclosed right now when the weather is nice, our kids play in the parking lot, which is effectively in many of the backyards on Harlan, you know, right up there.

Uh so to keep them out uh and reduce the noise, uh, we've built this rooftop play space for them.

We've uh proposed to expand our social hall from what's now 4,000 square feet to about 6900 square feet to eliminate the need um to use we often find uh for certain events we have to put up tents which are noisy, and when there are catered events um on the Sabbath, the caterer does not have a kitchen to properly store all the food that has been prepared on their site and brought to the synagogue so they have a refrigerated truck running overnight, which is noisy.

And so with this proposed expansion of the social hall and the kitchens, that will be eliminated.

Um I do want to stress that the um the sanctuary, while we intend to do an interior refresh uh of the lights and and the carpet, we are not expanding the social uh the sanctuary in any way, shape, or form.

In addition, um we recognize that for certain events that do not take place on the Sabbath when our members walk.

Um there creates a parking issue.

Um and with the expansion and the way they've moved the site around, uh we are able to accommodate uh valet parking, which would be required for any event taking place, not on the Sabbath, uh, where their anticipated number of cars would be in excess of 77.

And we've uh we engaged a valet company which put together a full valet plan, which I believe you've had to review, which would utilize our site and the simply the best site next door that where we have a good relationship so that we could accommodate the cars and keep them off the street.

Uh at this point, um I open it up to any questions you may have I have a question about the what appears in blue sometimes and appears in gray on the drawings.

Is that always the basketball court?

Or is the blue for water?

Uh no, no, that's just the play space.

Um it's yeah, it's just it's just a play space.

There will be a basketball hoop up there, but uh it's just a play space.

There's no water there.

And it's it's there's no roof there's no pool.

No.

I mean there's no roof.

Um and that space, no.

No, it's not covered.

So that looks like it's within the confines of the building.

Correct.

Everything else has is is covered with the envelope of uh insulation.

And so what happens in the winter time in Clement weather, in terms you you have to have uh I guess everything adjacent to that play area will have to be winterized, so it's uh yeah.

So I mean that's just an outdoor rooftop play space.

Um it it is designed to obviously have proper drainage, um, but uh the sites around it are enclosed, and um there are doors and walls and insulation for the Was there any reason why there wasn't a roof put on that so that it could be used all year round?

Um so one of the things that we intend to use it for in addition is for what's called a sukka for you know eight days uh in the year there's a holiday where we construct uh a hut where we have our meals.

So that that's part of the reason.

Um and the second was uh candidly cost.

So it's not really a basketball court.

No, it's it's really a place for the kids to run around when the weather is nice.

And and uh what about snow?

Let's say we get a 12 inches of snow.

What happens to the snow on that social uh in terms of the walls surrounding it that are Yeah, no, it it's um similar to you know, you're if you have a walkout patio and there's 12 inches of snow on the patio, it it it functions the same way.

But usually is a place I can shovel.

Yeah.

What do you do?

What is I mean I'm it this is logistics, and it just I mean, I don't object in any way to the look that you're trying to present, especially if you're gonna use it for sukah and other things like that.

I'm just concerned about the efficiency of that inside area being exposed to the elements, whatever they may be.

Um maybe uh maybe Alex, maybe if you or Daniel, if you want to just explain, and I'll put the floor plan up for everyone's review.

Yeah.

I'm Alex Gorlin, uh Alexander Gorland Architects.

Uh the out it's an outdoor courtyard, and uh it's designed like a roof.

This is designed in a similar manner as a roof that has a uh a deck on it that you can walk on, but uh all the rooms around it are enclosed uh just like uh all the exterior envelope of the building.

And it uh so it's simply an outdoor rooftop area that's uh enclosed on two s on three sides and with a wall on a third side.

So it's all properly drained and uh weatherproof.

And what would be the surface of that because that'll be all exposed to the outside?

We like a rubberized uh play surface.

And and it'll be uh I think there's like uh uh it's a deck, like a like a wooden type deck that you can walk on.

On little they're called sleepers.

So there's a uh a weatherproof roof on top of which it's like you would do uh an outside deck in a house where you have uh like a basement below.

Except that all the walls around it are the you they are you're not able to you're not exposed so that you could take debris and just brush it aside or sh or snow or shovel it aside.

You have to collect that so it just doesn't sit there.

Um what have you got it similar to the roof of uh a building where you you know it's it's designed to uh repel all the water when it melts and um so what kind of drains are there?

Um there are I mean elaborately designed for drainage with double size uh drain pipes and everything so that it's properly dealt with in case of yeah.

But I mean it's it's designed like the roof, basically.

But it's a a roof in an outdoor courtyard.

Okay.

And what is the depth of the recess to the floor from the top of the roof to the floor of the outdoor play space?

It's one story, so like 10 feet.

Ten feet.

Yeah.

And do you feel that's sufficient enough for basketball play?

It's not uh it's not a full court.

Right.

It's really a I would say uh uh performative hoop uh you know, for uh it's not it's not it they're not too core, it's not too it's not designed to have basketball games.

It's designed for kids to just on occasion to throw the balls around and but for the most part on on the Sabbath when they're when we have most of our kids there, it will be not utilized as a basketball area um for religious reasons, but really just a place for them to run around and and be outside.

In a safe area.

A basketball could potentially go over that if they're shooting at a hoop.

Um so we we anticipate potential netting on top of that to prevent that from happening.

Okay.

Yeah, we're thinking of netting on the um I have a question, and maybe staff can address this as well.

Um there is uh you talked about the grade change on the site um during demolition.

What measures are you taking that any debris won't be flowing out of the site, you know, it it kind of leads down to the pine brook area, which does have significant water drainage issues.

So what what measures are you taking to make sure no construction debris is gonna be flowing off the site?

Uh so the site is over an acre, so we have prepared a SWIP, um, a stormwater uh pollution prevention plan, but and that um details the um you know erosion control, pollution control, um, you know, for the site and also during construction.

Um so yeah, there'd be things like um you know, silt fencing around the perimeter of construction to ensure you know no sediment um passes through without the areas of construction.

Um there would be um uh excuse me, sediment filters that can be installed inside the existing inlets and then proposed inlets when they're constructed just to again to prevent any uh sediment or debris from entering um you know the city system and then flowing downstream.

Okay.

Hi, I have a question about um in the responses there was a request to consider electric parking um connections.

I have a question about um in the responses, there was a request to consider electric parking um connections, is that and I didn't see a response to specifically related to that.

Is that a consideration or that's not something that's being considered?

So our we certainly can consider it.

Uh my concern is I know that you know um it becomes public usage and for security reasons.

Um we prefer not to have just uh uh cars not there for you know attending the synagogue parking there to charge Understood.

Um sorry, how do how does it become public?

Uh well typically, you know, the charging station, unless we just do it ourselves and charge it, but if you use a company, it I drive an EV and it shows me every charging station.

Right.

Right.

So I think that's the challenge.

But we can look at a way to do it where it does not become public if that's uh condition.

Thank you.

And I had a question about traffic during construction.

Is there any concerns about additional um in and out or displacement of existing parking spaces during the construction period?

Our intent during the construction period is to go dark and move to an alternative site.

So we will not be utilizing the building during construction.

Got it.

Um and then my last question is you mentioned that you are going to use parking at simply the best?

Correct.

During uh during events.

Do you have an agreement with them or is that okay?

So you have a written agreement?

Yes.

Great.

That's it.

Uh and to be clear, uh as far as the alternative site, we intend to uh rent space at the Heathcote School on Palmer.

Good.

Hi guys, how are you?

Um in general, I would view this application being generally consistent with the comprehensive plan and capable of site plan approval, but only with careful conditions uh focused on the neighborhood protection, parking and traffic operations, landscape screening uh along the the property.

Um you guys have successfully uh received a variance for building coverage, uh the rear yard setback, which faces the the neighborhood and height, which essentially means you've exceeded the bulk that zoning intended to have on this site, and the property line isn't moving.

So what that is doing for you guys is it's putting um pressure on the other elements of the site besides the building that have to be located, most notably the number of spaces, but also the interval circulation on the site for both pedestrians and and vehicles, and that further then extends and puts pressure on the edges of the site.

Um so this is the focus of my concerns with the application.

So I want to kind of start with parking and maybe the cost of parking.

So currently um we the site is is tight with parking.

We have about 56 spots there.

We're going to 77 by uh utilizing land uh on the side facing Harlan.

Um and we've created a um and I'll go to the site plan.

Um as you see here, we're building um over here a turnaround area which will enable us to better have flow of cars.

Um the current site, if I wanted to insist on having valet, for example, for special events, it wouldn't work.

Uh it just doesn't have the room.

But with the revised site plan, we've addressed that and are now able to do that.

Okay.

I have some real specific questions if you'd kind of let me go through some of them.

Sure.

Um first, uh, you know, one of the reasons why the parking is of concern is because of the intended use of the social hall and the sanctuary.

And from the parking calculations diagram where you kind of went through and identified at what time and uh you you're ending up with a peak of 426 occupants in the social hall in a tables arrangement.

Bar mitzvahs, those types of um.

Bar mitzvahs, those types of um are you intending to use that for any other type of uh events outside of high holidays or sabbath that would have concentrated chairs in which you would have a higher occupant load necessity in those halls?

No.

Uh I mean I I on the high holidays when our members aren't driving, yes.

But no.

It's not intended to be, you know, for a thousand-person lecture.

No.

And then the sanctuary, kind of same question, it has a maximum occupant load, I think already of 525 people, um, but that is also the Sabbath and high holidays use outside of those days.

Does that get used for an event in which 525 people would show up?

Um occasionally, yes.

Um, perhaps on Purim, it's another holiday.

Okay.

Um, you know, post-October 7th, there's a commemoration event that brought people together.

Um but infrequently.

So if that sanctuary was full for any of those events, there would be 525 people there, which would increase your valet need for that particular event using that particular space, correct?

Correct.

Okay.

Um I think you just take into consideration that I I understand how you got your parking calculations and there's very good logic to that, but I think we don't want to forget about the other events that happen, uh, especially if they're simultaneous events.

And so that's my last question.

Would there ever be a scenario where the sanctuary and the social hall is used at the same time?

No.

Okay.

Except for the high holidays.

Uh so I think just the board should just consider uh that there's an opportunity of 525 occupants, uh and that um valet plan should be written in such a way to be able to increase that capacity in the event that that happens.

So I I, you know, having been uh uh as an adult a member of the synagogue for 22 years and serving as president for over four now, I can count on my hand how many, one hand how many times that occurs.

Um and in fact, uh a few months ago we were hosting a uh freed hostage uh from Israel.

And when registration got to a point where it just was too big, it was done in partnership with Westchester Reform Temple, we actually moved it because we felt while we could accommodate the seating, we couldn't accommodate the parking.

So just for clarification from from the planner, uh we're approving a plan which allows for 142 spaces, valet for an occupant load maximum of 426, correct?

That's what we're looking to approve.

Run that by me again?

Um so uh uh the proposal accommodates 142 spaces through 77 on-site and 65 valet.

Is is 65 the the valet number?

Um if the anticipated number of cars exceeds 77, then we would use a valet.

And but the number that you guys have stated for the occupancy of the social hall would require 65 valet spots, if I'm doing my math.

142 minus 77, I think that's 65.

Well, no, because the valet um stacks the cars.

So it's it's it's not defined by the number of spots.

It's it's defined by how many they can squeeze in.

So whereas when you park yourself, you need to be able to pull out and not rely on can you move your car for me?

A valet is able to stack the cars.

Uh yeah, I guess I'm not uh uh it's not about stacking.

Where are those 65 cars going for clarity?

So just to clarify.

So we like I as I mentioned, we worked with the um the building inspector um on this plan.

And so the the idea is that everybody who would pull in drop off and then the valet would park in accordance with this plan.

So this is the one this is this is showing on site the stacking of the cars.

Okay.

And then this is showing the off-site on the cars.

And we will be applying for a special permit from the building department for this purpose.

Um and I also just want to clarify that this site does have a variance from the 1990s for 77 parking spaces.

So this is in compliance with that variance.

I just want to be clear on that.

I know you were asking about the sufficiency of parking and where where what is the address of the alternative site?

Because the the application said it's 1298 Weaver.

It was just, it was it was um it said north, but that was just an uh that was just an error.

Okay.

And it's literally next door, and so people would be able to on the site access here and then be able to get it.

It would only be the valet.

And you could talk about that.

So the um the site next door is simply the best.

Um there is a staircase in the back of the synagogue that leads up to the site.

So a valet when they would be parking would drive out, drive on to Weaver, park the car, run down the steps, and then similarly when they were going to retrieve a car, run up the steps and drive around.

Okay.

Did I also hear the Heathcote school mention earlier?

I was just clarifying that when we um are in construction and we uh are not in the building, we're renting space from the Heathcote school to have services.

Okay, thank you.

And the hours of operation of the nursery they were closed after six?

Yeah.

So we we would require events to start um no earlier than five, so that within the first hour we would fill up in our parking lot, and then cars after that would fill up into simply the best.

Okay.

Um since we're on valet, um, one of my questions here is about um vehicle circulation on your site.

Um I kind of want to start maybe with um these events, because that's when the peak parking load is.

Um and I would presume that an event on a Friday night, it's six o'clock starting time, let's just say, and probably within a half hour, a majority of your cars will show up to that event.

So to be clear, on a Friday night event it's on the Sabbath, so yes, you can drive in before the Sabbath, but you have to walk home.

Okay.

So those types of events you typically would not see um a need for a valet.

It's for a you know weekend Saturday night, Sunday night, or during the week party that you would see this occur.

Gotcha.

Okay.

So in in the event of a weekend party, which I presume then that's when you need the 142 spots based on the calculations.

Right.

Um there's going to be 142 vehicles arriving at your site.

A majority of them probably arriving within a half hour of six o'clock.

Can you describe to me the experience of that car?

Sure.

Coming off of Weaver, the queue distance between the entrance and weaver, turning in, turning out, like that's a large volume of cars, self-parking.

Then on top of that, you're going to be adding valet parking.

So in the event that we have an event that has valet parking, there will be no self-parking.

Okay.

Okay.

So there would be a valet kind of at the entrance, just making sure people understood, pull up to the door uh on the center, which is um right around here.

The valet will take your car and you will go in right into the front door.

Okay.

Um so then could you kind of talk a little bit about your expectations for queuing in that event?

Um, I believe your entrance is basically directly below on that drawing of the sanctuary space, uh right adjacent to the entrance, the main entrance is right around where my I don't know if you see where my map.

Yep, I got it.

Okay.

So um you have an event, uh, you have 142 cars that within a half hour are going to be making their way into the parking lot.

And I can't see the dimension or how many stalls there are, but what's the rough dimension between the entrance and the the road, roughly?

Uh from here to the road?

Yes, sir.

Um good question.

We're just doing the math.

I apologize.

Yeah, the can't do it on your head?

Come on.

Probably around uh seventy-five feet.

Yeah.

275 to 300 feet.

Okay, so that's gonna accommodate about 13 or 14 cars queued up.

So yeah, so that that distance is just measured from the entranceway to the driveway.

And what vehicles will be doing is that they will be uh because you know it's two-way, they'll be entering the site uh utilizing the turnaround area to park in front of the um uh main entranceway, and the valet will take the car and then you know park as needed.

So I guess your queuing would really go all the way to the end of the site, which was the additional plus.

So your drivers are going to be required to go all the way to the back, turn around in that radius and then drop off with the passenger side facing the car, and then and then the valet takes it into either the parking lot here or when that fills up the adjacent.

Correct.

Okay.

Um I think the other um sort of impact of that larger um bulk is um what I'm seeing is lack of internal pedestrian circulation on the site.

Um so I I was trying to understand if I was parking in the plan northwest corner, up by Weaver and uh Daisy Farms.

How would I make my way to the front entrance?

What what specifically am I on a sidewalk?

Am I walking across stalls?

Am I in a driveway aisle way?

Yeah.

So you um the rendering.

So um it's not shown on the rendering now, but we do uh we did implement some uh traffic control measures, some stop bars to just assist um you know with making the parking lot a safer space, but it's really no different than um you know shopping at like a commercial retail establishment.

You're not always on sidewalk.

Um sometimes you are walking across drive aisles.

Uh we do have um, I mean, obviously there is sidewalk in front of the building, um, and then you know there is an ADA um compliant path from the parking spaces to the main entranceway.

But no continuity between the side sidewalk and the front entrance.

No, if you parked in this spot over here, you would walk through the drive aisle again, no different than uh if you parked uh like a shopping center.

Yeah, I think my my bigger concern is that the the dry uh drive aisle on the new parking spaces at the bottom of the plan here are also serving as the pedestrian circulation.

And when you have 77 people parking on site, you got cars backing out, you got pedestrians walking through.

Just a lot going on with no sidewalks to kind of keep people uh off of.

In a supermarket type parking, usually the stalls are off of the main entrance in and out.

Um if you think about the usage of our building, obviously our peak time is Saturday morning when nobody's driving in, and in fact the parking lot is closed to uh automobiles.

Um we have services in the morning, uh one at seven and one at eight.

Uh they typically get twenty to thirty cars um for each service, uh no more.

Um and and then in the evening we have again, and it's typically 20 to 30 cars.

So the the peak where this would be of m most concern is when we have events where we have a valet, in which case there's no parking and walking, it's really stopping in front of the main door and walking in.

That's a good point.

Okay.

Great.

Um the um in this neighborhood, um, the tree canopy is a pretty defining feature.

If you zoom out on Google Earth and you take a look at the landscape around, there's lots of good trees, including the park that's very close to you guys.

Um again, because of the need to place those um spots on the southern uh plan south um edge, you've removed a significant amount of mature tree canopy.

Um you are opting for the in lieu replacement of the amount of DBH that you're losing.

Um but the allowance of in loop planning is only allowed when technically in practical or impossible.

And I do well, I'll agree you're not gonna get all of that back on the site.

Um, but do you think you have uh put back in as much as the site can technically uh handle?

Yes.

So uh I would say that I had actually asked um our landscape architect if we could plant more on the Weaver Street side to Yeah, I'd rather pay for trees than pay into a fund.

Um and unfortunately, because of the topography, um it would be it wasn't possible.

Uh I would say that while we're taking down trees that are deciduous, um what we're planting is intended to provide year-round screening versus um partial screening throughout the year.

Okay.

Um, the root cause of these trees having to be removed is the parking.

Um and I I'll ask the same kind of related question.

Is it technically impractical to provide more parking on site and not have to rely on the valet and not necessarily have to take down the trees?

And I think my the obvious choice here would be some kind of subgrade parking that would allow you to provide more without removing the I don't think that's uh feasible.

Um technically infeasible?

What what conditions on the site would make that technically infeasible?

No, I just can I just so um a couple of points.

First of all, this is an existing uh religious use on this site, and we're trying to accommodate uh a better uh circulation and uh and a more modern use of this.

I I understand your concerns.

Um but also this, you know, generally speaking, accommodating religious and educational uses is something that um that's favored in zoning.

And so we're trying to do what we can here.

Um subgrade parking, and he can get into the technical portion of it, but subgrade parking not only would most likely increase the height, but also would be just uh the cost of it would be astronomical and not feasible.

Um and so what we have here is a parking compliant site.

As I mentioned before, it's compliant um under zoning.

Um and so we are we are using the valley parking to accommodate this additional um these additional cars and uh our belief is that it is going to work the way that it's been laid out, and we are going to have the building department review that he can talk to you about that uh about like what the limitations are, but I just I just in addition to the fact that there is an easement that runs through this property in favor of the city that has limited a lot of what we can do on the site.

There's a um we can't build over it.

So that's that's another limitation.

So yeah, could you just point out where the easement runs?

That's a that's a good point.

Yeah, the easement um really bisects the site starts out here on Weaver Street and runs through and then cuts.

So we're not proposing any building addition over the easement um, you know, as expected.

Uh but just a subgrade parking, um, you know, this really kind of limits the uh the area of where you could you know dig under.

Well, I'd probably call that a technical infeasibility to do that.

Okay.

I will point out also just from a security perspective, it makes it harder for us to ensure we don't have um unwanted cars parked there.

Understood.

Um you had put in some site sections, which I was glad to see.

I I didn't have a copy of that.

Could you just flip over to the site section?

Strongly.

So this is the um just the elevation view of the westerly property line spending and the uh residential properties looking at the site.

So you can see um, you know, around here when the site is a little bit um the grading is a little bit more forgiving, the retaining wall is is smaller.

Um we have a row of evergreens planted, retaining walls, the site slopes down to the south increases in height.

Here is uh the gap in the retaining wall is actually where the easement crosses the property.

So again, not constructing anything over the easement.

And then over here, again on the south side where the grade change is um more significant is where we implemented the tiered wall.

This is where the uh originally we had a 13-foot high retaining wall.

Um and after discussion of the zoning board, we re-implemented the tiered wall system.

Um we're now the maximum height of the um of the total length of walls through around six feet in height.

Uh and then so here's the section views as well.

So this is uh the intended height of the plants at uh installation at the two different sections.

So A where the retaining wall is a little bit um shorter, B where it's getting a little bit taller, and then C the tiered wall system.

Um here's the um estimated uh height of the plants at five years uh and then at 10 years.

Okay, great.

So that those plants will be able to cover both wall and fence eventually over the next 10 years.

Yes, that's correct.

Um we are required to maintain them in perpetuity, as I mentioned.

Yeah, I had some concerns in the technical meeting about a five-foot space if a five-foot wide space would allow a tree to grow that that limit.

Again, not being an arborist, I don't know, but do you have any are you speaking um to the like plantings here?

Because we had in the tiered wall section, we have No, the middle, the middle section, which in the year one, you can see that that middle section does not cover the stock a stockade fence that's there.

Um so is there enough space and width for that tree to mature um to its height that you're proposing here?

Yes, they will grow to that height.

Okay.

Um then in the rendering, the 3D rendering, bird's eye view, um, there's a lot of trees on that um I think it's actually your westerly property line, not planned south.

That's not accurate.

It makes it look like we're on a golf course.

Yeah.

That's just uh athletic license.

Yeah.

So I I my question is are there any mature trees right across your property line that exist today and will continue to exist, or are your trees the only mature trees between you and the residential neighborhood?

Uh on Google Earth, I don't see any in their backyards.

Uh I there No, I I don't believe so.

Uh or minimal.

I'm sorry, we're gonna have a public comment section.

We'll open up to the public and comments.

There are some trees that I suppose that are on the per neighbor's property lines, which we will not be touching.

Okay.

Um I think that again, my one of my concerns is loss of the mature trees.

That is the barrier between you and the neighborhood.

Um I think that's a it's a it's a loss for the neighborhood to lose that many of the mature trees.

I I will say that um right now many of them are not well.

Um as you know, many of the mature trees are you know at the end.

Um you're trying to get to 77 parking spaces.

Is there anything sacred about 77 versus 74?

And you use three stalls to keep any of the mature trees still there?

The 1993 variants um dictated 77 spots.

The variance dictated you needed you needed to have 77 spots.

Correct.

Okay.

Yeah, I guess the my desire would be to find a way to get three or whatever spots to keep some of those mature trees.

The screening over 10 years looks better than I expected, so I'm glad to see those sections.

Um but I think that would be a suggestion if there was a way to keep some of them, that would be favorable for me.

I mean, the the the context of this building, you know, this this in the neighborhood, that's an existing building.

It looks the way it looks today.

Your your design isn't very far from what it was, what it was in the yesterday.

Um, but now you've kind of removed all of the vegetation between the neighborhoods, so it's a much more exposed facade.

So I'm just trying to keep some semblance of screening there.

Because it is very different, and again, that's okay than the rest of the context.

You're speaking mostly to the screening on the westerly property line, right?

Against the residents.

I I would really say that we're actually significantly improving it.

Um, again, as you mentioned, the existing trees there, they're deciduous, you can see through them for half of the year.

A lot of them are unwell.

Um and the trees that we're planting now or will be planting um, you know, they're evergreens, they're gonna provide screening.

They're typically used for screening for you know um along property lines.

We're also adding the six-foot tall board-on-board fence.

So um overall, the buffer that we're providing um is a significant upgrade to what's there today.

Um I I did bring some photos if you wanted to see what they look like.

Uh yeah, the view.

Yeah, I'd love to see them.

Thank you.

And so I I just to point out also um currently um if I refer you to the exterior.

Excuse me.

Um this is what the new building would look like.

Much of what we're demolishing was built in in the in the 70s.

Um and so much of the old 70s ugly brick is coming out, and newer modern looking stone is uh replacing it.

I would also point out that um if you walk on Harlan in between the houses, you get a direct view of the synagogue because there's no coverage there.

With this screening, it would be shielded.

Okay.

Well, thank you for answering my extensive questions.

Do you appreciate that?

I appreciate your consideration.

Thank you.

I just wanted to make a note.

I I I take on this last issue about the landscaping and the trees.

I I take your point, Doug.

Um, it's it's nice to to retain those trees.

It really would be ideal.

I my concern is sending a religious use to the zoning board to try to get a variance to go back on a variance that they previously achieved, especially when there's a mechanism in the code, and we may not like the alternative of paying into the tree fund, but there is a mechanism in the code to give them a way to get around that.

So that that's just you know a concern that I would raise um on that point.

Um yeah, I mean, there's some tandem parking in the in the rear.

You know, I wondered if you could steal two more spots if you're doing tandem.

Can you go three deep?

Paul, can you go three deep on tandem parking?

We don't have any three parking.

Yeah.

But on valet we don't consider that that's a valet operation.

And in the code, it says you're you're supposed to have five percent killing for valet.

So that that's what we were for.

That's about 13, 14 cars at 142.

Six six cars.

142?

Okay.

10 is 14.

So yeah, it's like 6.5.

Okay, you're right.

Um yeah, I think if there was any way to tuck another parking spot or two in any of the other adjacent spaces, that would be preferable to me.

Again, not required.

Yeah, no, I I I've tried to squeeze them on parking as much as I can.

Um, we're we're trying to improve the site to be a better neighbor, um, and looked at everything we can do.

And um we feel that you know this plan uh achieves that um to the maximum that we we can um are and are able to do given the limitations I have a question about parking also, but it's more historic.

Um when we approve the uh young Israel on North Avenue, uh they have valet parking for the overflow because they had an indoor garage, but there would be tandem spaces, and you couldn't rely on a an individual car owner to to handle the tandem.

So the valets were allowing the garage to accommodate more cars.

The overflow because of the location next to Waiquillo Country Club made it so that you could be in front of the Waikill Country Club.

It wasn't in front of a residence, there was a lot of spaces there.

So that could take the overflow, and some people coming to the event um if they were driving because it was after you know sundown on Saturday, they would park right there.

They wouldn't even go with a valet because they could get to the car more easily.

It's a convenience, you don't want to follow the rules.

But if to make this thing work, you have to have every uh everybody on board with the valet parking and not do shortcuts because in the Daisy Farms area where you're talking about, there's residential homes.

It isn't a country club with a and so somebody's gonna after they go to the second or third affair, they're gonna start to park in front of somebody's house, maybe two houses down.

And not that it's illegal to do that, but it's an inconvenience to the neighbors to find everything jamming up to avoid valet or to avoid the lines and waiting.

So, and and let me just continue.

Iona had a similar problem because they had a garage way deep into the campus, and students who were commuting would find it more easy to park locally in in front of somebody's house rather than go way deep into the campus, especially if you're late to class.

So they had to form and impose a restriction on the students to use that garage until it was packed before they would seek an alternative road uh to to look for parking.

And the same with the young Israel on North Avenue in your young Israel.

I think there has to be a buy-in on the part of the entire congregation to utilize the valet parking, even though it may mean waiting five more minutes for the car, then somehow impose the convenience of your personal desire to get to the place soon and therefore park in somebody's house or in front of somebody's house.

I agree a hundred percent.

Um one of the reasons why uh we would have one valet stationed right in front is to help mitigate that.

Um I will also say that on a couple of occasions now where we can't do valet, we've sent emails out to the community talking about being respectful with parking.

We've had we've had um in one instance, uh, you know, simply the best allowed us again to use their parking, and we encourage people to do that.

Um but yeah, I you know, with the new building, there's a new flow to things, and I think it will take you know constant reminders about when we have valet, you must use the valet.

Essentially you're gonna be dealing with the same congregation all the time.

There's a lot of uh attending of somebody else's event and your event and the reciprocation and things like that.

So everybody's gonna know the drill to make this work.

It's a question of you as the president and the board that you you're in charge of to make sure everybody uses it with a full realization that you want to be good neighbors.

You also don't want to have anybody sort of cutting in the line and getting to the to the event sooner than you because they're they're gonna park in front of somebody's house.

Um so you you don't have the options that North Avenue presented.

You also don't have the discipline that you're a student in the school going to Iona, and you have to listen to the to the authorities, but your your congregation has to be on board.

That's up to you because we do make concessions for religious institutions to accommodate them, even though there's limited space, but there has to be reciprocal on the part of the the congregation to want to be the good neighbors and not take advantage of a convenient spot nearby.

I agree.

And uh it it will take again a lot of communication and education.

Um just as with the new building and new flow of things, it will take communication and education.

And I recognize that and have been working through.

That's not a condition of approval, but that's something that you really have to take to heart.

Absolutely, 100%.

Is it safe to assume though that any event you hold is going to be concrete members?

Or would there potentially be unfamiliar?

You know, if someone's having a barmitva party on a Saturday night, they invite friends from outside of the community as well.

I don't think we can assume that it's going to be people that they is under their uh you know, purview.

It could be guests that are unfamiliar with the might be, but that they can be informed that way on the I mean one one thought again as we require valet, we ask that in their invitations that they make note that we have valet and we ask that you you know you must use it, you know, as part of the communication and and in any party invitation that that would be sent out.

I'm not concerned about this true the person who's gonna be a one-time attendee.

I'm concerned about the ones who don't feel like waiting online and their congregants and and they find this this a block down.

There's a place I can park and don't don't they can't they shouldn't do that.

Absolutely.

I agree with you.

Okay.

I think um I I'm a little concerned with getting 142 cars valet in a a large event in a reasonable amount of time.

I don't know the science or the calculations behind it, but I think it would be good to get a valet calculation as part of your plan.

I believe we have that.

And if that could be done in an inner 30 or 45 minutes.

That was included in the plan.

We had a professional valet company come and do all the calculations and and it was provided in the plan.

Okay.

Kevin, do we have a copy of a valet plan?

I mean, it was submitted to the zoning board as part of for for their consideration as well.

Um, and it was something that the building department had reviewed because as I mentioned, they have to issue the special permit for that purpose.

Um again, these are all sort of enforcement issues, which would have to be, I assume part of whatever approval we receive for the valet parking.

Yeah, I I get it's enforcement, but I I think part of our No, it's actually not enforcement.

Yeah.

It's a special permit.

The building official issues the special permit, not the planning board.

Well, what plan would you like to see, Doug?

Uh I just want to make sure that um the valet operation doesn't become a nuisance to the I I I I don't want it to become a nuisance either.

Actually.

And I'm I'm interested to know if it is actually feasible to process 142 cars in the time in which your members are going to want to arrive at the event on time.

Um that that's it.

I mean, I I I I feel like I think we should I think we should go to the city council and change the code and have you have the authority to issue the special permit.

Have the planning board issue the special permit.

That's what I think.

I I just curious about the assumptions that are made for that value queuing.

Is it 142 occupants and what's the time limit that they did that that processing?

How long does it take to get those cars through?

I will well, we look for that.

Um I want to be able to open it up to members of the public who took their time out of their evening to come out and speak.

Um so if you'd like to speak, um, just please approach the podium, state your name uh and address for the record.

Sure.

Okay.

This is relative to your question in the neighborhood and yours as well.

Um, I'm sorry, approach.

Those are photographs.

Oh, you can go ahead and um yeah, and state your name and an address for the record, and then sure.

My name is David Freeman.

I live on 363 Daisy Farms Drive.

Those are just photographs of um the neighborhood when they park.

They claim they don't drive, but it's become unpassable and very, very unsafe.

The the you'll see they park in front of stop signs, they park, they block my driveway, so I couldn't even get out.

They park in front of hydrants, they park at the intersections, you'll see people walking.

That's just a few.

I have hundreds.

Um, it is a very unsafe neighborhood.

I did make a speech, but they changed some of their plans.

I guess they're not gonna stay open during the construction because I was wondering when they have no parking lot where they're gonna park.

They park all over the neighborhood now, by the way.

So two-lane traffic is now one lane, and there is nowhere to pull over, so when cars are coming at each other, they can't get through.

It's a very unsafe neighborhood, and they park wherever they want.

Now, he said he spoke to the residents of the temple, so obviously they don't listen.

So when they tell you, well, you know, we'll talk to our residents, they're not planning on on actually listening.

They park all over the neighborhood.

In your question about the valet parking, they claim they're using simply the best.

I've never seen a contract with simply the best.

I don't think they have one.

Simply the best, by the way, is up for sale.

So I don't know where they plan on valeting these cars.

Um right now they have 52 parking spots.

They're supposed to be at 77.

They've been out of compliance since 1993.

No one has shut them down.

They shouldn't be allowed to operate right now, by the way, with 50 parking spots.

They have 550 seats.

They should have about 110, according to Neurochell Code.

So right now they're out of compliance.

Um you asked about 142 cars.

I just went to a valet event at a country club.

There was maybe a hundred cars, the line was a mile long to get in.

So I don't know a hundred and forty-two cars, 20 feet a car.

You're talking about 2800 feet, that's a half a mile.

So, how if the party starts at six o'clock?

You're gonna have a half a mile of traffic?

Am I gonna be able to get out of my neighborhood?

Is it gonna block Weaver Street?

There I mean, you got a half a mile of cars coming into one spot that holds maybe 70 cars, and if they have a tent up, because it's a a bigger event, I don't know where they're putting 142 cars.

Um, they claim they're gonna stack them.

Okay, good luck with that.

Um, as far as the residual the the trees, they're removing something like a hundred amazing trees.

They're gorgeous trees.

Three months of the year, they don't look so great.

Okay.

But it's 30 feet of trees.

They want to move it to 10 feet and put up six foot Abervitis.

Iona, if you look, I sent in the pictures, they have 20, 30 foot abervities.

They want to put Abervites that are gonna grow to 10 feet in a decade.

We'll be looking at the temple.

They also want to move the entrance facing the houses.

So now I'm gonna see 500 people pour out every morning because they're elevated and there's gonna be a six-foot fence with an eight-foot tree.

There's there's no um protection for the for the for the residential houses there, unfortunately.

That's thank you for your comments.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I I mean and would you like to speak with another member of the public who would like to speak um?

Good evening.

My name is Eliana Bednars, and I reside at 77 Harlan Drive, and I'm a member of the synagogue community.

I'd like to begin by stating clearly that I support the renovation of the synagogue and the continued growth of our community.

My concerns is specific and limited, the relocation of the main entrance to a position directly facing my home.

In the original plan shown to the community last spring, the entrance was located facing Daisy Farms Drive, where it currently exists, away from the residential properties.

The revised plan now describes a side entrance.

But this will be the main entrance.

It sits directly across from my backyard and my bedroom window, approximately a hundred less than a hundred feet away in a straight line.

That change has real consequences.

The issue is not primarily visual, although I'm already upset about the all of the deciduous native trees being removed, and my view now becoming a six-foot wall with an additional six foot fence and some bland pine trees for screening.

That may help with sight lines and headlights, but it does not address the core problem, which for me is noise and activity concentrated around the entrance itself.

There's a reason it's called a congregation.

People gather.

This is not just noise coming from inside the building.

It is everything that happens at an entrance.

The security guard stationed there at all times.

People arriving, greeting one another, lingering and talking, the valley parking with car doors opening and slamming shut, and engines starting and stopping constantly.

All of this will activity will take place directly across from my bedroom and my kitchen on the ground floor.

From my experience as a member of this community, I can tell you that activity begins as early as 6 a.m.

at the synagogue and extends well into the evening, especially if there is an event.

On an evening after services or events, whether daily or for special occasions, people don't just disappear at 10 p.m.

They linger, they talk, and cars continue to arrive and depart, and then the cleanup follows.

Equipment banging, trucks, people yelling and slamming of doors until potentially past midnight.

And this is occurring at a distance, not at a distance, but less than a hundred feet from a bedroom where I sleep and a home where my family sleeps, including my three school aged children.

A wall does not stop sound.

It does not prevent people from gathering at an entrance.

It does not change the fact that this design places the most active high traffic point of the property directly across from a row of private homes.

Again, this entrance relocation was not part of the original plan shown to the community.

It is a modification, one that it significantly increases the impact on neighboring homes.

I'm not asking that the project be denied.

This is a reasonable adjustment that respects both the needs of the synagogue and the rights of the surrounding homeowners.

I'm asking that the sport draw a reasonable line, one that allows the synagogue to continue to grow, but not at the direct expense of the basic quiet privacy and livability of the homes in New Rochelle that's around it.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Is there anyone else from the public who would like to make a comment?

Okay, so I'll just close the public uh portion uh for this application.

Um I'd like to be able to address um some of the parking issues on the street.

People uh we saw pictures of people blocking fire hydrants, parking at the corner of intersection, narrowing the road.

I I I don't have a a good explanation.

Um I can't control where people park uh or how they park.

Uh I I was at an event uh last month on a Sunday where there was an issue, and I actually had our security guard go take down the license plate and then go and make an announcement to move the car.

Um there was a police officer there, and I said if they don't move the car, I'd appreciate it if you would call on your colleagues to come ticket them.

Um I you know, I can't, yeah, I can't speak for every person and and how they park.

Um it is an issue that we're trying to address by continually emailing and explaining about being a good neighbor.

Um which I I will continue to do.

Um however, I will say that this new site uh we currently have 56 spots, and as I understood it, um the variance for 77 included account from Simply the Best.

Um I was in college then, but my my father was on the expansion committee for that project, and uh I believe that was the case.

Obviously, people haven't used simply the best for their parking.

Um, however, with this new site, we are making sure all 77 spots are on the site.

All 77 spots are accessible because there are there's no room or no ability to put up a tent anymore.

Um, the spots in the back when there is a tent do block those spots.

That won't be the case anymore because there simply is no place for a tent.

Um in addition with the kitchen uh and with the social expansion and the uh increased size kitchen, it will change uh the nature of uh you know how parties are set up and broken down.

Um and um and then as far as the the uh on the the side entrance, um we do have currently an entrance on Daisy Farms facing Daisy Farms and an entrance facing Harlan.

Um both are utilized.

Um both are utilized um the side entrance uh is often utilized as an exit on Saturday mornings.

Much of the stroller parking is right there, and on a nice day when the synagogue is crowded on Saturday, you see quite a few people standing there.

Um I do think that you know moving the entrance um will not have much of a different effect as far as the flow of people in and out of the synagogue because of that.

Um I do think that with the additional screening we are improving the look and the and and the the and how uh how uh you know how it uh affects the neighbors.

Uh we did really do try we did try in every way to understanding some of the as I mentioned negative externalities that we have with our neighbors to address those and with this new site plan with the expanded social hall with the planting of uh you know what are we up to?

128 trees on the site and um with the rooftop play space, we are addressing many of those uh negative externalities.

Can you clarify for the record again how many trees are going to be removed as well?

So six 68 trees will be removed, 128 will be planted, so neck gain of 60 uh trees.

Okay.

And can you show us on the plans all the exits and entrances to the to the property and where you would anticipate you said breakdown of parties is going to be in a different place?

Where would trucks that are receiving like after the breakdown of the party be stationed?

If you can just go over some of those details for us, please.

I'm just want to find the best.

Um excuse me.

Thank you.

Uh just want to find the best uh site plan to better show this.

So if you look here, this is a loading dock and entrance to the kitchen.

So prior and did I move the thing?

Okay.

Prior to the party starting, the truck would come in there and unload and then obviously uh go off site.

Um then uh at the end of the party, that's again where they would unload.

It's not much different than the current location of where a truck would load and unload.

I think the the bigger difference is when we have larger things with tents, a lot of the stuff tends to go through the back as well as they're unloading stuff from the trend tent, which creates more more noise.

And where is the back?

Um so this area here.

Uh let me let me uh let me do it this way.

Um this area here is what currently is outside, right?

There's no building there.

So that's where the tent typically goes.

Um so with the new addition, you see there's no space for tents and all the loading and unloading would really occur by the loading dock.

And where are the pedestrian entrances?

Is there more than one?

One right around here, and there's one right here.

And that's facing Daisy Farms.

Yeah, so the one facing Daisy Farms would be utilized during the morning and evening services during the week when it's not a not a holiday.

Um would also be utilized on Saturday mornings as well as the main entrance here would be utilized on Saturday mornings as well.

Which um the design always intended for that uh from the very first uh image.

The only difference was the original uh design made the entrance on Daisy Farms look more like an entrance than it is now.

Could you also show me where exactly are the homes of those two gentle the the lady and the gentleman?

Yes.

Um the gentleman's home is right around here.

And uh the uh excuse me, uh we can ask for that if you'd like.

We're trying to get a sense of the entire project.

It's very frustrating that we can't respond to this now.

There is a public comment is closed, so we're gonna be addressing the applicant to go over this.

Yeah, yeah.

Uh this is the gentleman's sorry.

This is the gentleman's house right here.

Okay.

This is Ms.

Bednarch's house right here.

No, right here.

Sorry.

This one right here.

And the entrance is actually over here.

And where was it before that?

Well, there is an entrance here.

So there's a there's an entrance here and there's an entrance here.

Okay.

So the change uh that um the woman was res uh referring to is a change to the primary pedestrian entrance in the building, which previously faced a Daisy Farms but is now facing Harlan.

Um and then there was a question about the vehicular entrance being moved from a previous proposal.

Is that the uh the vehicular entrance is staying where it's at, but at the request of the fire chief, it's being widened from 22 feet to 24 feet.

Okay.

So vehicles that access the site today will also access the site in the same general location in the future.

Um pedestrians, a large majority of the pedestrians will enter the building on a different side than they are currently entering uh right now.

Okay.

So it sounded like you agreed that with 56 parking spaces and the current congregation size, there are times that vehicles end up off-site, uh, even with a valet arrangement, albeit probably a smaller number, rich between 56 and 77.

That's the current condition.

Uh and we're looking to increase the congregation size, increase the occupants.

Uh to be fair, we're looking to in we're not increasing our sanctuary, which is really what defines the size of the congregation.

What we are experiencing now with the size that accomp that the sanctuary accommodates, which wasn't the case when it was built, is that we simply don't have a big enough social hall.

Um I grew up in the synagogue when there was a hundred families in that building.

We're using the same number of rooms for youth space that we have that we had then.

So we have a lot more kids, we don't have room for them.

Um so by expanding the social hall by creating additional youth space, obviously, you know, community uh we don't stop people from joining, but it's not to accommodate future growth, it's to accommodate current needs.

Yeah, so I again I'll just repeat my concern.

It it's not that there's a growing congregation, it's larger buildings, more functional spaces.

Uh I think it's the impact of I I think I'm really narrowing it down to the valet operation.

That's why I'm looking for that data.

Um and I don't have the data in front of me today to feel comfortable that whatever the assumptions and calculations were that were presented to the zoning board, that that isn't going to impact the uh the neighborhood when the event happens, queuing and and moving.

Uh uh and I know weavers so close, there's no light at Weaver.

Uh I could just see a potential where there's a long queue of cars because everyone is trying to get in 15 minutes before the event, and weavers blocked, uh, and daisies blocked because people are coming from the different sides.

And that just that's the thing that concerns me.

Um I'm sure there's a solution, but I don't have the information in front of me to feel comfortable that the solution has already been arrived at.

Well, as um as we formulated, and I didn't formulate the parking plan given the number of times my wife yells at me as I drive with her, I probably shouldn't.

Um but our valet company uh that we hired and engaged to do this did formulate the plan with the understanding that you know we can't have, you know, they they visited the site multiple times, and I believe that they've put together uh in their mind a plan that it would provide exact you know would address your concerns.

Did they address what would happen off-site in their um in their plan?

Did they give any um impact to the weaver intersection?

Um that uh queuing, backing up, um anything like that, or are they just saying we can get cars on and off your site at a certain No, uh it was it wasn't just about it wasn't just about getting cars parked and and then uh out.

It was about addressing traffic.

Now I having attended many events, what I find is that the flow of traffic is not, you know.

It's it's you know, and sporadic isn't the right word.

It just i it people aren't all arriving at the same time.

But they've addressed it to uh to ensure that it it wouldn't be a problem.

Can I just if I can make a suggestion?

Um because the ballet parking is, as I mentioned previously, a separate process.

Um, can we, you know, would you be willing to consider having it be a condition, which it was also of the zoning board, that it was a condition that a valet special permit be issued.

That was a condition of the zoning board approval as well.

So it can make that a condition of planning board approval that that uh approval be issued because that's I mean that way we can move we we can move forward here.

Um Yeah, I would I would say with the I I don't know how credible a valet company is at um evaluating the intersection impact like a traffic survey or a traffic analysis would would do.

So if that company is credible or accredited to be able to provide the impact on the public roads, great.

If not, I would say the condition would be a suitable valet as well as the impact on the public roads.

So we don't we can make sure that that intersection is gonna get backed up and cued up all along Weaver and down Daisy farms.

I I might just add that there's the there's a staff review component to that, right?

So and you know, if if we are in receipt of something that is unacceptable and doesn't meet you know the concerns that we have, we're not gonna accept it.

So or are we asking for a traffic engineer to analyze that intersection?

Which intersection?

I I think uh Weaver and Daisy Harlan Stratton?

Daisy.

What's that?

Is there a light at Weaver and Daisy Farms?

No.

No.

It's crossways, there's no light there.

Okay.

Paul, is that an unreasonable request with no like is a lot?

Is the light a trigger in the U.S.?

No, well, because usually they do counts based on lights.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um I'm not a traffic engineer.

No.

I don't want to claim to be one.

Yeah.

But if that's what you're asking for, I gotta know what you're asking for.

I think in in coordination with the ballet company who will be able to tell you how my cars can come in and come out, how many per 10 minute interval are going to be cued up and stacked, and if it starts to f overflow off the site, what's the impact on the traffic down weaver?

Um I I don't think they do.

And I could be wrong.

So I, you know, we'll we'll we'll talk to our traffic engineer.

I don't think they rate intersections level of service without lights.

Maybe they do.

And I'll find that out.

But but yes, I think if there's a condition on the the traffic and the valet, then I think that's moving in the right direction.

Paul, I I think with uh Temple Israel, young Israel of uh on North Avenue, they put in a traffic light.

That was part of the deal that they were going to, because of the safety and crossing over, a traffic light was was ordered.

And yeah, so Weaver Street is uh as I believe a state road.

And um and I I we've we've asked for a traffic light candidly, and um if you can make that happen, that would be amazing.

But uh I don't think that that's really uh I don't know how many different agencies that would involve deciding.

Excuse me, sir.

Excuse me, sir.

We're gonna the staff is talking about it.

Thank you.

Only the southbound lane is in New Rochelle.

The northbound lane is in the middle of the city.

Between Scars down there show and the state of New York, um I don't know if we can agree it's Tuesday, you know.

Yeah.

So I think some important issues were brought up with the parking um and some of that falls onto city enforcement.

So, you know, I think it it's good for city staff to hear about the the parking issues on the street.

People blocking fire hydrants is extremely concerning.

People blocking intersection, so it's good that you brought that to our attention.

It's something that you know the the members of the community can always call the police department if they notice that.

Um I know there was an issue brought up with noise.

Similarly, there's noise ordinances that have to be followed.

So, you know, unloading after parties, loading after parties, all those noise ordinances are gonna be enforced by by the city as well.

Um so I think those are those are good issues, but things for the city to consider as well.

Traffic.

Um just in the in addition with just going back to the traffic concern, um we're not increasing the number of congregants because the sanctuary is staying the same.

So uh as far as like what kind of counts or anything like that you're talking about, there is no increase in uh the occupancy.

So I just wanted to make that.

Can I ask a follow-up question related to the agreement with the existing um simply the best market?

Are they currently for sale?

I believe the real estate is for sale, meaning the the store and the nursery leases the land.

Okay.

And so the uh do you expect that the nursery will remain post-sale?

And just because if you have a written agreement with simply the best and they are providing the additional 46 parking spaces, but that that is changing hands.

Um as as I understand that the um the low-pain family which owns the land is looking to sell their ownership in the land, but it is subject to a lease.

Now, how long that lease is, I I don't know.

Sure.

Do these agreements require a deed restriction placed on that land if we're using it for valley parking?

The it depends on what you're asking.

We can't require them to get a deep restriction, but it we can require them to get the parking, right?

So if they then lose the ability to get that parking, we need to then come up with something else in order to satisfy them.

Okay.

But requiring a deep them to obtain a deed restriction.

Uh I would not recommend that.

Are there any other commercial properties in your vicinity within a valet distance that would be an alternative to that?

Well, the city of Narashau, I believe, requires it be within 500 feet.

I listened when you that's correct.

It has to be within 500 feet.

There's another congregation down the block.

Just on Stratton.

Unstratton.

At the corner of Stratton and Weaver.

And we've had I think that might exceed the 500 foot.

It it it does.

We've had we've had conversations with them about it.

Um, not part of the plan here because it exceeds the 500 feet.

But we've had conversations.

Uh we haven't I haven't pushed it for a definitive at this point because it exceeded the 500 feet.

But we we do feel that uh perhaps something could be worked out there as additional um parking.

I mean what what procedurally happens if the property in which the valet is hosting the extra parking is for sale and the new owners do not allow the valet parking.

Is this become an invalidated approval or we work with it could be an appropriate it could be a violation of their site plan.

So if you approve the site plan with the understanding that that lot is not used and then they no longer have required spaces.

That would be a violation to site.

But today, you know, we with building a tent, we have 400 plus person events, you know, during the week.

We have no ability to do any sort of valet, and people park in the lot and then they park in the street.

We offered up to do the valet parking plan and to improve the site this way, specifically to try to mitigate that as much as we can.

Um I you know, if we don't move forward, I mean it's a good thing.

It's good, uh, but it's it's part of my thinking about why this plan is appropriate, because there is a valet opportunity that reduces the opportunity to impact uh the neighbors.

Without that, my perspective changes uh a lot.

So it's an important part.

It's not just wheat offered, it's it's this is kind of required to make this work.

No, but you know, from day one, we said this is what we feel needs to be done.

Yeah.

Well that that that's good.

The uh um the land next door, um south of of you, is um that was Lopaine's, I think at one time, a nursery, just a nursery, not uh not a so actually Lopaine owned the land that the synagogue is built on.

Um they sold the main house and they had the developer came in and there are some houses there along Stratton.

Correct.

And if this current location, the what's left over, the the vegetable store and nursery, if that's sold, it'll probably go the way of residential, and therefore there won't be any parking area.

So I I don't have the intimate details of the uh real estate sale.

Um but what but uh excuse me.

What distresses me a little bit is there has been already uh an imposition of uh convenient parking by the congregation members uh before you've even enlarged currently that's going on now where people park um at their convenience rather than in respect of uh a neighbor and and the parking that they could go on to the the site of this of the sanctuary.

I I just don't know if you can guarantee anything now.

Uh I mean what what I can guarantee is the following.

The site has doesn't have 77 spots now.

I believe the variance allowed them to include a count from low pain.

The new site plan will have 77 spots of the spots we have on the site, eight or ten of them, if there is an event with a tent are blocked because of the tent, right?

They're in the back, you can't use them.

The site doesn't allow for turnarounds and trucks are there.

It it limits the spots even further.

So while I can't guarantee what someone's going to do uh when they park, um I can tell you that with the additional spots with the improved uh turnarounds with the site the with the inability to put up tents, we've increased the number of parking for these events already.

So you can take out 25 or 30 cars that are being parked on the street already, even without a valet.

Any other comments from the ward?

I do just also want to make a point that as with any religious use, like you have churches that are in neighborhoods, people park on the street.

You have you have other congregations where there's overflow.

Um obviously you'd want to have a pro you know, it it'd be the best to have this kind of a situation where you're keeping the cars off of streets.

But I think we have to just keep in mind that when you're servicing a residential neighborhood and and these kinds of uses are in residential neighborhoods um historically and uh and today, that you have to keep that in mind as we were trying to accommodate this use.

Okay.

Could I see the uh there were two three comparisons of the of trees and retaining walls you had like one on top of the other.

Could I see that and and tell me are is is uh are all three of those renderings part of the things, or were those a choices and you picked one out of the three.

It's the one that has very tall uh evergreen on the top drawing, and then smaller ones and the more retaining.

These are all typical views.

Um here's the yeah, the first one.

So this section AA corresponds to the section view if you're standing uh where this line is here and you're looking out towards uh Daisy Farms, and then B uh again, this is where like the retaining wall is a little bit a little bit taller as the site slopes to the south.

Um so if you're imagine if you're standing here and you're looking again towards Daisy Farms, this is the view you would see.

And then C is where the point where we implemented the tiered walls.

Um again, if you're standing where this line is here, that this is the view you would see.

So then the comp the um the difference between oh, excuse me, these three views uh is just it's just time.

So this is the height of these trees at installation.

These are the heights of the trees at five years, and then these are the height of the trees at 10 years.

So they are all actual locations but on different parts of the uh property.

Yes, yeah.

It's just because we had um the different, you know, the retaining wall fluctuates in height, and we also had the tiered walls, we wanted to show all the different options of what it would look like.

So in front of the main entrance to the synagogue, what of those three are we looking at?

Uh it'd be more section B.

So this this one right here.

Okay.

So that retaining wall to the right of the trees, that's going to be new?

Yes, it will be.

Okay.

So so that should that'll set back certain areas and also give solid buffers, so and it's higher height than the houses below.

So you could be if if you think about when you go to a ball game, sound seems to go up.

Uh now you could yell down, but uh but uh the more you have in retaining wall, the more you have in shrubs.

Um you are going to dampen the uh the volume of voices coming out or going into an event.

Yeah.

Yeah, and and in addition to the trees and the retaining wall, we do, we're also implement uh installing uh six-foot-high solid fence as well, just as an additional buffer.

And are those trees like typical green giant uh trees?

Yes, yeah.

No, they're not your animal.

Sorry, excuse me.

Can you describe the trees for us?

Give us the height that they're gonna grow to and the type of tree, please.

Yeah, let me pull to the landscaping plan.

So we have um a landscaping plan that outlines all the different uh plantings on site.

So oh, sorry, I gotta remember how to zoom in.

So here's the plant schedule.

So uh we've broken down between deciduous trees, evergreen trees, um, ornamental trees, and then shrubs and plantings.

So the evergreen trees, the ones that will be um mostly on the westerly property line will be these plantings here, um, in addition to these trees here.

So believe that's um you give me one moment.

Sir, please.

Uh what would be the yeah, the green giants.

That's the plantings again.

You can see these this row of trees are the uh green giants.

Oh, thank you.

So I um I live near the Ursland school, and a few years ago um they had a population increase and the parking overflowed into our neighborhood such that um the folks on Lavelle passed uh no parking for an hour period of time to prevent the students from parking on there.

And and you know, it is an imposition to the residential neighborhood.

Um Article 14, off-street parking loading, the first section states its purpose.

I just want to read the purpose.

The purpose of this article is to prevent or alleviate the congestion of the public streets and to promote the safety and welfare of the public by establishing minimum requirements for off-street parking loading and unloading of motor vehicles and bicycles in accordance with the use of the project, the property.

This is the important part.

All structures and uses shall be provided with sufficient amount of off-street parking and loading spaces for employees, residents, visitors, clients, patrons, deliverers, and other persons at the location of such structures or uses, but no less than the minimum requirements of this chapter.

The way I read that is that schools, uh any building that requires a special permit inside of residential use.

The expectation is that you take care of at least the minimum uh on your own property, and I think the planning board has the ability to say that the minimum may not be sufficient for the use.

I don't think that's the case here because we're already kind of over, but um I I do think it's your responsibility to try and mitigate that on the property and not just say, well, we've already been overflowing into the neighborhood.

Um, you you are changing the character of your building of your property, which is impacting the neighborhood.

Um when you're changing that character, now you are impeding upon the neighborhood with additional spots.

Um I just don't want the presumption to be that this is the way it is.

Um it is the way it is these days.

Um, but some of those schools are not changing the parking capacity.

Um and they we have to live with grandfathered conditions.

This is on a grandfather condition, so that's why I'm being particularly sensitive to the parking in the valet.

I I appreciate the sensitivity.

And again, you know, we by playing by moving things around on the site and expanding the parking for most of the uses the synagogue has, this is more than sufficient parking.

It comes down to events.

The larger social hall just enables us to have larger enables us to have events without the need of a tent.

It's not necessarily changing the fact that we can now suddenly we can have events we couldn't have.

We've done it for a number of years where people have put up tents and we have 435 people in the social hall and a tent.

By doing this, we're not changing that.

But by doing this, we're enabling to finally have a valet parking for those events.

But those events are not every week.

Those events are not the the day-to-day usage of the property, the 77 spots are more than sufficient.

Noted.

Is there any way that we could find out exactly what whether it's a rumor or this property that is for sale?

I mean, you we can't make a decision on something that hasn't occurred and it's it's in the control of other people.

I understand that.

But if you knew there was a listing somewhere, if you knew there was a real estate agent in charge of that property, you might want to think differently about assigning it as a valet uh lot for yourself.

You you'd be when I've spoken with the owner of Simply the Best, who is not the owner of the real estate, um he did not seem concerned that he was going out of business.

That's all I can tell you.

I mean, if I if I were developing, I would want to know what's going on next door.

Whether they're going to block my view, whether they're going to take away parking.

I'd want to know everything about that next door because it's you're making it reliant uh on your approval in terms of the valet.

I will point out right now, you know, part of the synagogue property is utilized by that by simply the best.

And so that is the relationship that we have in the back and forth.

Um again, you know, I heard this rumor as well and in my conversations with the owner of Simply the Best.

He did not seem to think like he was going out of business as a result.

Might be time to buy a piece of that land and added to your That's why I asked about process here.

Because I mean I I presume any time we're approving off site anything, um there's an agreement.

And what happens if that use terminates in some form or fashion?

There has to be a way to revisit and re-establish.

I don't think we can make decisions based on wood, could've should have right.

So I think if if we do approve this with whatever conditions uh and that is no longer available, I would suspect that we would see him back here with uh some other alternative arrangement that we would have to approve as suitable.

Yes, and and that does happen from time to time.

I mean, that that has we've had applicants come back because conditions have changed.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, and that's if that's the condition, then then that's the condition.

Okay.

Well, I don't think that's even a condition.

That's just procedure.

Exactly.

As part of your variance, how many parking spaces are you supposed to have on site?

Seventy-seven.

Seventy-seven.

And at the end of this project, how many parking spaces are you going to have on site?

77.

77.

Are you increasing the size of the sanctuary?

No.

No.

Is the parking for a house of worship?

What is that based on?

The size of the sanctuary.

So I think uh are you saying that uh the new use, the social hall, has a lower occupant load and therefore larger occupation.

There is always a social hall here.

Yeah.

No, I'm saying that the parking criteria for a house of worship is based on the sanctuary.

It's one per five seats.

The fact that they're increasing the size of the social hall has no bearing on the required parking for a house of worship.

That's kind of where we went off the rails here a little bit.

Yes, I saw your pictures.

Sir, if you want to stay, you have to be able to do that.

Let me just can I can I finish?

I saw your pictures.

I saw that some of these pictures show that this road is impassable.

Yeah.

Not you can get one car, you get no cars.

Well, if two cars are coming at you.

It's impassable.

Well, the one picture that I saw shows impossible.

Can you help just to I I uh so from what I can understand about this case is what we're trying to do here is make this better, not worse by introducing the valet parking.

Now, people are gonna do what they want to do.

They're gonna try they're gonna try and park on the street if they don't want a valet, okay?

Um how much does it cost to have the valet there for one event?

Just out of curiosity.

I think it's about seven, eight hundred dollars.

Seven or eight hundred dollars?

That's a pretty cheap evening for for a valet.

I was thinking more like two to three thousand dollars.

I I should check back.

I might be off.

Thank you very much.

So while we believe it's going to improve the condition, let's just verify that it will be an improved condition, not create a new condition that we're unanticipating.

Okay, so we have conditions of approval that are set, and then Benito, did you draft a new condition of approval for this city traffic engineer to go?

Take a look at.

Yeah, I'll read what's drafted.

Uh all work within number one, all work within the city of Nerdshaw right of way, shall conform to the Department of Public Works standard detail, and will require DPW permits.

DPW permits may include but are not limited to street openings, curb cuts, concrete sidewalks, drop curbs, and driveway aprons, and tree removals.

Two DPW permit and inspection will be required for the proposed connection to the city's drainage system located in the easement on the property.

Three.

Any work or temporary public right-of-way obstructions may occur uh that may occur during constructions will require DPW permits.

Four.

Any damage to the city right away during construction shall be remedied to the satisfaction of the of DPW.

Number five, the applicant shall CCTV, the existing nurse shall drainage sewer from the proposed connection at the existing manhole to the manhole that should exist at the end of the easement along the western property line in order to verify the connection.

Sorry, to verify the condition alignment prior to the issuance of a building permit.

Six.

The applicant shall depict the missing manhole within the easement in the vicinity of the western property line as well as verify the location of the rest of the drain and confirm it is not in conflict with the proposed 15-inch HDPE from the D 103 to 101 prior to the issuance of a building permit.

7.

The applicant shall replace repair curb and/or driveway defects in accordance to the city standards.

Any work on Weaver Street will require New York State DOT permit.

Eight.

The applicant shall provide an unobstructed fire apparatus access road with a minimum width of 24 feet.

Nine.

And then I'll I'll take over and just add some of the things that have come up uh based on the conversation tonight, but also based on some earlier conversations we had internally.

Um so we're going to add a condition about a valet valet plan, which they are already required to do, but just making it clear that that's required.

And as part of that plan, there should be an analysis of the impacts to the Weaver Daisy Farms intersection.

Next, as appropriate, the applicant shall install a netting around the outdoor play court.

Uh next one would be uh just confirming the requirement for the stormwater pollution prevention plan and uh they they have to you know go through that process with the state, um, but a copy uh should be filed with our Department of Public Works as well.

I want to add another condition just confirming compliance with the tree removal tree removal provisions of the code.

And then the last one is one uh we were going back and forth with um this this was sort of started uh from the a letter we see we received from the county and in conversations with Paul and with our traffic engineer, we were talking about sidewalks along the frontage of the site.

Um and we were talking about Daisy Farms Weaver Street, we don't believe is appropriate in this case.

Uh but on Daisy Farms, um, we think it might be, however, there may be some hardships on Daisy Farms due to utilities and a few other issues.

So I don't know if it's necessarily uh appropriate, but I think we need to explore it a little bit more.

So I want to make that a a condition that we explore that and if found uh appropriate um then that would be uh added to the site plan, and if it's uh not practical, then it would not be required.

Are those conditions acceptable to the applicant?

Um so just just to clarify, you're you're just talking about from weaver to the entry point of the um to the gate or the entry of for for the driveway.

The frontage on D.

The frontage on daisy part.

Correct.

Okay.

Um those those conditions are acceptable.

Um I I do want to just get a sense of the board because we are missing one board member.

Um so if if the board is going to be taking a vote, if there's a way to take a poll here so that we um we don't really do a poll, but if there's any board members that want to express hesitance in proceeding, you're welcome to do that.

I'm ready to move forward with a vote.

Um yeah.

Okay.

Um can I have a motion to declare lead agency?

So moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

Can I have a motion for negative declaration?

So moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

And can I have a motion for site plan approval?

Site oh so moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

So we'll close the public hearing portion of the meeting.

Um, and we do not have any referrals uh from city council to discuss this.

We had one 3.1.

It was voted on the technical meeting.

Uh can I have a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor.

Aye.