Good evening everyone.

Welcome to the June tenth, two thousand twenty six uh meeting of the historical landmarks review board of the city of New York Department of Development.

Uh the city of New York.

Just to be clear.

What did I say?

We were just talking about New York, yeah.

We're just talking about New York, so I said that.

Sorry about that.

City of Neurchell.

Um we have a couple of uh housekeeping items.

Item one approval of minutes or roll call.

Can we do the roll call?

Yeah.

Rosetta Bofer Monte is out, Lucia Elliott.

Yeah.

Jim Fleming.

Here.

Leanne Merchant here.

And staff members with the Sudai Soraya Bahambib, Deputy Building Commissioner.

Kevin Kane, Director of Planning and Sustainability, and myself, Benito Seha, senior project manager.

Great, we have a quorum.

Next one is meeting minutes.

We don't have any to read, but uh we will just check the box off and then we jump to item number two, public hearings.

Fire pit, pizza oven, H VAC unit, four unit driveway gates.

I'm sorry, four foot driveway gates and a four foot cable rail fence along the side yard.

As well as to construct a new garage, install pavers and add new front steps and a walkway at nine the court block eight two eight, lot fourteen in an R1 historic zone district.

Can you hear me? 'cause I'm a low speaker.

Okay.

Good evening, board members.

My name is Cynthia Sorrilla Cantos.

I am one of the architects for Nine the Court along with my associate Mary Contra.

The court nine the court was purchased by our client, Mr.

Siceria in twenty nineteen.

As shown in these photos, it was in dire need of major improvements.

Hence the owner started making the improvements, unfortunately, without obtaining a permit.

So here's the image when he first purchased the home.

That's the front front right here.

Front elevation.

This is a north side elevation when he purchased it.

That's the front elevation again.

And that's another front.

So we are here to in this evening to obtain approval for certificate appropriateness in order to legalize the existing improvements that were done, as well as to obtain approval for the construction of a new one car garage, new landing and steps at the front entrance, as well as new walkways in the front yard, and the installation of a new fence around the existing pool to be legalized.

So let's get started with some photos that we took of the residents taken in April.

This is nine the quarter front to west elevation over here.

This is the same front elevation from the back, I mean excuse me, from the street.

This isn't the from view from the northwest corner of the front.

This here is the view from the southwest corner towards the driveway.

And this is the nine the court, the rear elevation.

I recently went back in May and I took some more pictures of the rear yard.

This is how it presently looks.

Here's some photos of the surrounding properties for the same for some complex.

This is the front property on the north side.

This is the rear side of that property.

This is the property on the south side, the front, and this is the same property on the rear.

This is the properties across the street on the south.

Well, this is the property right straight across from 9 the court.

So let's begin with the first thing we're trying to legalize.

The existing enclosed porch to be legalized has an exterior finish consisting of brick veneer, painted Amherst Gray by Benjamin Moore with a stone veneer by Airstone that is attached to the framing of the cross space.

And there are three white trim vinyl siding, sliding windows.

And each side has one white trim vinyl window.

So that's the south side.

And then the top one is the left north side, and this is the porch from the rear elevation, the east.

The front door is in a mahogany stained wood door with two white trim silites on each.

Actually, Shake, painted Amherst Grave for Benjamin Mahore.

That's the actual resident.

This is the existing vinyl siding painted Amherst Gray for the for the area of the enclosed porch.

This is the brick veneer on the front of the enclosure of the of the of the enclosed porch, and this is just the swatch for the Amherst gray from Benjamin Moore.

And this is the um airstone.

Oops.

I think I locked myself out.

I'm sorry.

Thank you.

So this is the sim the stone vineyard on the enclosed porch where the um crawl space is.

It's um intact into the framing of the cross space.

And this is the uh John Timberland Titan lighting in front of the entrance doors.

This is just a little more specs on the lighting.

The height, which is 14 inches and is wide by 5 inches wide.

We are also proposing to construct a new front landing and stuff with all English tumblin tumble wall stone by Cambridge, which are 4x8 by 12 macering unit.

The color of the wall stone would be limestone quarry blend.

This is the wall stone right here.

We would be using for the front steps construction.

It's limestone quarry blend.

This is the squash of the limestone quarry blend.

It's a little more specs, which is a four is a four by eight, as I mentioned earlier, by 8D by 12 inch.

The landing and the steps will be capped with a paving stone by cambers as well.

The land would be a limestone quarry blend, and the threads would be a bluestone blend.

So this is for the actual platform of the landing.

And this is the blue blend for the treads.

And this is the limestone quarry blend.

And this is just some spec text on the sizes that they come because it's basically a kit and several several pieces.

I mean excuse me from the front landing and steps will be raw fine and black in color and similar to this design here.

And lastly, on this enclosed porche, the roof shed roof is made out of black EPDM.

The next item that we're trying to legalize is the black steel shingling fence to be that is located on the north side of the property, which is here, and here it is four feet in height and has a three-foot gate here.

And there are several abovides along the fence for screening, which have a potential to grow up to 15 feet.

The roof.

The perimeter knee wall, which is here, is three foot by six in height, and is and are the same material as the columns.

Both the columns and the walk and the wall have a blue stone cap as well.

And it's so this is an elevation on the west side, west elevation of the porch, or the detached roof porch, open porch.

This is the south elevation.

This is the southeast elevation of the same porch, and this is the northeast elevation.

And this is basically the sample sheet, which is similar to the steps we're doing in the front.

Um is consistent with the whole, whatever tuberwall stone we're using, is the same one.

And this is the same color limestone quarry blend.

And this is the swatch for the limestone quarry blend again.

Same spec for 4x8 by 12.

And this is just the ASAC that we use to cover the um the six by six poles.

And then this is just the specs for the owning cornings that we're using for the osport shingles, which is similar to the residence, as I mentioned before.

And it's sleigh stone gray.

Enclosed in the porch is an outdoor seasonal kitchen consisting of a grill, a three-burner stove, refrigerator on this side, and a sink and several counters, which is the same material as the walls and the columns.

Next we go to the existing pool that we're trying to legalize, which is here.

It is uh oval in shape and is 12 feet by 24 and 4 feet deep with a plastic interior and an aluminum exterior.

We are proposing to install a four feet high three-rail aluminum fence with a three-foot gate with a safety lash and a double alarm.

This is a rest of the pool.

This is the alarm, the aluminum fence we're proposing to install, and it would run from this point here, all the way around, here, diagonally down, across, up, and right here.

And the entrance gate is over here.

Next are the HAV HVAs, HVAC condenser we're trying to legalize.

They are located at the northeast corner of the resident and are not visible from the street.

They are again.

Next is the existing fire pit is to be legalized.

She's in the rear of the property.

It is a PSEC double-sided split face fire pit kit by Cambridge, the color being in natural.

The columns are constructed of this for the sitting area, is constructed of the same material used on the enclosed, I mean on the open roof porch.

The low wall for seating, which is here, is constructed of eight-inch CMU cladded with national true river clay fossil veneer by evolved stone.

The fire pit area currently, as you saw in pictures earlier, is in a gravel bed, which will be kept instead of stalling pavers.

And here's the sitting area.

And this is the actual fire pit.

That actually was when we went, it wasn't completed.

When we went back, it was finished.

That's why there's a little differentiation in the pictures.

This is the specs for the kit of for the fire pit in the cell itself.

This is the actual stone masonry unit.

It's four inch high, nine inches deep, front faces here, and it's an inch long.

And it's onyx natural in color.

This is the specs again for the sec.

And that's the color on script.

Swatch.

More specs on it, the heights, the weight.

This is the stone veneer on the low wall from uh, which is a natural true river clay, non-frelate, non-rated flat flat stone veneer sidings.

Next to legalized a cable rail fence on the right or south side of the house.

It is a series of pressure-treated four by four wood poils with a five-inch, five-eighth inch cable in between the poles with a top and bottom rail.

It is four feet in height and it's embedded in the evergreen.

So this is the cable, the cable fence.

This is the material used, which is the cable rail easy, and this is the fasteners.

The similar this one right here, what was used at the side.

It runs from this area here all the way to the gate here.

And picture it starts here with the evergreens end and ends over here.

The next item on the list to legalize is the existing driveway gate, which is four feet in height.

It consists of black steel frame with horizontal epay, which is a Brazilian hardwood.

It's secured to the osphod driveway with four steel posts which are encased in white ASEC trim.

And it's capped with a black finished solar life fixture, which is here.

This is just a little information sheet on more information on the e-pay, which is the Brazilian wall hardwood, which is natural in color.

And this is the cap was used on top of the post.

And finally, the last item on our list is the proposal of the construction of a 20-foot by 20 feet one-call garage.

The height of the garage to the roof ridge is 15 feet.

And the exterior finish will consist of cedar wood shakes painted Amherst Gray by Benjamin Moore, which matches the existing resident.

It also has a brick Moinscott.

Painted emergence green running all around the perimeter of the exterior, the garage.

The overhead door will consist of a nine-foot high by sixteen foot foot wide, and it will be a series of wood panels that are refurbished and they're a white in color.

The wood trims and all the rake boards, insects, uh at the exams will be also white in color.

The garage flood light will be a black and a becker black motion sensor and fixture.

And on the north side of the garage, there will be a three-foot by six-eight white fiberglass panel door.

This is the siding that we uh want to use the cedar shake that would be painted Amherst gray on the garage.

This is the asphalt shingle, which is the slate stone gray by Owens Kerning, which matches the uh residence as well.

This is the refurbished panel, one of the panels that we'll be using for the garage overhand door that would be repainted white.

This is the motion that detector would be using the for the flood light, black in color.

Some more highlights on on that fixture.

And this is pretty much the sample of a fiberglass side door we're proposing for the garage.

I think that is it.

I covered everything.

Thank you.

And if you have any questions, please.

We're glad to leave.

There's a lot of stuff there.

Uh my first question is though uh the fence enclosure.

Uh you stopped short on one side and didn't go all the way to the house with your with your pointing.

Uh it's on the on the side plan, it's on the left side.

Um the building department will take care of that, but I just wanted to make sure that we, if we see it, you know, we've seen the right thing.

I'm trying to zoom in, and I can't, I just mean my zooming.

Minor thing in the whole picture, but I just want to we just want to make sure that it goes around and closes everything.

The cable.

No, the the the pool enclosure, the four foot height.

Okay, but does it come back to the house?

No.

It didn't look like it came back to the house.

No, it goes.

The side plan you were you were uh showing where it went.

It basically goes from here around here, there's an angle, goes this way, goes this way, and there's a gate here.

Okay.

It doesn't connect to the house.

Okay.

How do where does it it doesn't look like your point?

I'm sorry to believe a point, but how does it meet itself so that the entire pool is enclosed?

Looks like there's a gap there.

Well the the pool has like uh if you see the there's a concrete wall or uh a stone wall.

Is it meeting that stone wall?

It's a which is four feet and drops.

It dri literally drops you were only describing the fence and it hits a wall.

Yeah.

Rather okay.

It ends right there with a pool over over flows.

Uh then um then the next thing I would ask about is that you have a lot of materials uh on the house.

You have brick, you have uh old um vinyl siding, uh you have some cedar shingle intended for the new garage.

Um and then uh some old shingle on the house, if I remember.

Uh it's uh it's fortunate that you're making it all gray, but it's unusual for three materials to meet themselves like that, like with the enclosed porch.

Right.

Um let me just ask you a question.

Was this done with a permit?

And is are these as belts?

Yes.

No permit.

No permit.

Okay, right.

Right.

Could I yeah, can I just uh can I jump in like a little higher level?

Um the pictures that you show from before, I mean it clearly makes the case that there's a need for for work on the house.

So I mean I think we can all can all appreciate that.

Um but yes, and there is an extensive amount here that that's a legalization of the work was just proceeded with and um you know, which is unfortunate because you know this the the normal procedure is to come here to get approval from the board.

And the the board can't simply approve what has been done because it's been done, right?

So we you know we still have to look at it as if it's being proposed as new.

And so I guess at a at a higher level, uh, you know, I think it might be helpful to just understand if if anything is being proposed or anything has been contemplated um that corrects some of the things that were done that are not, you know, clearly not consistent with the guidelines of the historic district, because I think it's it's gonna be hard for the board to move ahead with a proposal like this um that doesn't speak to the guidelines of the historic district, something that's a bit jarring in comparison to to what's typically approved.

So, you know, I I you know I think we can have the conversation tonight and you know we can get into some of the minutiae.

Um, but uh I almost think it's it's maybe you know worth you taking a look at the project and seeing how maybe some things can be modified that could be brought into more more brought more into conformance with the guidelines of the historic district before we really belabor some of the the you know, there's an extensive amount of things here.

I think we're also only responsible for things seen from the street.

So I think that list, you know, the pool can't be seen from the street, right?

I mean it's um it's a little all hazy to me, but we're only responsible for what can be seen from the street.

So I think that chops a lot of stuff out of what you presented.

The front and whatever you can see from the street will show the gates.

As far as whatever, yeah, the historic landmark review board.

That's correct.

Some of the stuff uh is not visible and therefore we don't comment on it.

But for instance, you've done a lot on the front, and uh the only thing I where I was aiming at that was uh if a little more consistency on itself with uh historical references could be presented, I think it would make your case a little better for work done without a permit and coming here.

Um I just say the siding and the brick, for instance, could maybe looked at again.

Uh that that kind of stuff, but I'm I'm not gonna design it here.

I'm just gonna say look, look at historical references for it and consistency with what someone would do in I believe it's 1910 or something for this house.

Um but uh uh that that's where I was aiming at.

The the the stuff that Lucia mentioned, yeah, you can't see it, we're not gonna talk about it.

Uh building department will take care of pools and things like that.

Uh so what is visible from the street?

Is it the chain link fence?

Is it the front?

Um I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

Is it the front walkway?

There's let's narrow it down and just talk about the stuff that's visible from the street.

The front walkway.

The chain black chain link fence on the left.

Now you can see the that uh enclosed um that open um roof porch from the street that has the uh seasonal outdoor.

You can see it from the street.

Oh, it was I mean you're just doing asphalt shingles right in the it's just gonna be what's gonna be visible, the the asphalt shingles?

Um basically the columns and the asphalt shingles.

Okay.

Basically.

Then the uh the other driveway gate you can see from the street.

That's pretty much it.

Well, also I mean that the the finished materials on the facade of the house, right?

Right.

Those are very prominent.

Right.

Would you um we could find something that would be aesthetic to that time period and make it one whole, not the craziness.

Well, the the board, if I could.

The board uh would not be favorable towards uh vinyl windows or vinyl materials.

Um the second is my colleagues had mentioned is it's hard for me myself to see what is visible and not visible from the street.

I just can't tell with those changes that were done, and I can't tell from the site plan, to tell you the honest truth.

I mean can you can see the garage from the street as well.

I had a question about the garages.

Is it I'm saying garages?

I saw designs for two different garages.

One had columns and one then was that's the porch.

Okay.

The columns, okay this thing.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

And and and then so that's just the continuity in terms of the materials and uh um and how those structures looked.

And then I I think you mentioned Brazilian wood hardwood or something for the gate.

The eBay, yeah.

Is that visible from the straight in, yeah.

Um just questioning like the historic connection with I think you've used many different fences, right?

There's a chain link fence, three or four fences.

With the trees, like to their point, that's a lot of uh different inconsistency.

We don't know we would never approve a chain link fence.

So that's and that's something that's immediately visible from the street, right?

So I think you'd have to go back and propose something else.

But we don't normally approve fences.

Also fence.

Also, uh if uh maybe Soroya might input on that.

Um there are some things that you could probably go directly to the building department to get uh off the table, as they say.

And then come back with the specific uh items that are relevant to the architecture, I mean the uh historical review board.

Okay.

Uh because I think the feeling with the board is that uh there needs to be a little bit more reference or reassurance that there's a reference for the moves you're making on the house or have made uh what you know you could look at and see.

Um that's where I would I would leave what I'm I'm offering.

Yeah.

Okay.

So we'll adjourn and we can adjourn till it, yeah.

And when we ready just keep keep Kevin's office.

I will to Soraya.

Apprised of that, and uh if you have some changes, bring them back and we'll look at them.

All right.

Yeah.

No problem.

I would maybe in case there's anyone from the public that will be.

Of course, we'll we'll open it up here, yes.

Uh, we're going to open the the uh audience to commentary.

Um I understand of the vinyl and all of that stuff, but that's the same thing.

Could you just get your name and address it?

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot.

Elena Hirston Cowie Um Hunter 70 Hunter Avenue.

Um that outdoor kitchen porch is visible from the street.

You can see the roof and part of the sides.

Because it sounded like it may be all you could see were columns.

That's not I don't think that's true.

You can see the whole thing.

I mean, all the way down.

You can see it.

There's a there is a fence across there and some um bushes.

But you can definitely see that kitchen.

The pictures were clear showing that you can't see it from off the property.

Yeah.

From the front of the house.

Yeah.

Yes.

Anybody else on the board?

Any additional commentary?

Uh why don't we uh make a motion uh that uh we this one be approved for uh adjournment to the next meeting?

I'll make it why don't we move?

Oh, that's that's the movement and vote?

Yeah.

Yes, everyone's in favor for adjournment to the next meeting.

A little clumsy, but that's what we want.

The applications adjourned, thank you.

All right, thank you.

Okay.

Uh Kevin, we're we're uh this one's not uh item 2.2 and is adjourned.

I'll just read it for the record.

Application HLRB 52026 by Nichelle Arjuni for a certificate of appropriateness to construct a raised patio and detached garage in the front yard for an existing one family dwelling at 14 the boulevard block 827 lot 42.

So we'll go to 2.3 application HLRB 6-2026 by Margaret Chadwick for a certificate of appropriateness to replace 22 windows at 95 Hamilton Avenue, block 834, lot 19 in an R1 Historic Zone District.

Thank you.

Good evening, everybody.

I am Margaret Chadwick, and this is my husband Jerry.

And we have finally decided to bite the bullet and put new windows in in our home.

We chose the Pella Lifestyles wood window that's aluminum clad, the same ones that 61 Hamilton is going to be putting in.

It has great ratings.

It's a beautiful window.

And my goal is that when you go by the house, you will not even know I put a new window in.

I want it to look exactly like the windows I have now.

These are some neighboring homes.

We're very lucky.

Most of the homes in our neighborhood either have replaced windows, but they've done a beautiful job, or they have the original.

This on the left is the front of my home.

And it had that's all the front facing there.

So you have the windows on the top, and then there's one on the right at the library, and then there is the um the uh dining room, and that's kind of a bow window.

There is an enclosed glass porch on the left.

We are not touching those windows.

We are not touching any of the specialty windows.

There's a couple in the back, there's one in the dining room on the side, um, and then that huge porch.

Um I would never replace those.

I will restore them when we win lotto.

Uh but other than that, they are gonna stay the way they are.

The back of the house, even though it's the back, it's visible from the street because we're in the corner.

So actually all four sides of our home are visible from the street.

These are the windows we're living with now.

Um we stuff socks in it, we put thermal curtains, um, it's been a challenge, you know, taping foam into it.

Um bottom line is my kitchen is absolutely freezing when I wake up in the morning in the winter.

And our dining room has the thermostat for the house.

And you could blow out a match standing by the window.

And that, of course, throws everything off with the heat in the whole house.

This is what it looks like from the inside, and I'm being promised by Pella, it will look exactly the same.

I am staying with white.

Uh the wood will be inside.

There are nine lights over one on all of the windows.

The only one we have to change is the one in the kitchen.

That they can't make the nine because it's too tiny.

They're gonna make it a six over one.

Other than that, they're gonna be identical.

The only windows being changed are the double hung and first and second floor.

We're not going to the third floor right now.

These are the windows.

Did you see that?

Four.

These are the front-facing windows.

You have the dining room on your left.

That's the only bow.

Um, and then the set of three by the um in each of the bedrooms that are in the front.

And again, they're gonna be white, they're just gonna be aluminum clad, they're wood windows, and my goal is that they will look exactly the same.

The side, because it can be seen from the street, that is the kitchen window on the right.

That they're gonna have to shorten just a little bit.

Um and then you see I have the beautiful glass window down there that's like eight thousand dollars to put together, so we're not doing that.

The dining windows.

The uh the leaded glass looking the triple, the triple windows there.

Right.

The triple one, yeah.

That's yeah, leaded glass.

It's decent.

Can't do them all.

A lot of restoration, and we're not gonna be able to do that.

And that is my presentation.

That is what I'm asking for.

Okay, great.

It's wonderful to see a consistent window through the whole house.

And and they're they're uh white clad, obviously.

They're all white.

Okay, yeah.

White inside what else?

Um it sounds like the consistency, which would be present in a old house uh is present.

And in the in this in renovations, uh any comments on uh for the board?

I just want to say that uh I know it's a big investment.

You're you're active here in the community, you're active coming to this board, and and uh it's it's odd having you uh being an applicant, so it's interesting uh seeing you in in that position.

But I'm usually here as a complaint and no just kidding.

No, but you're fair and and uh but I I think we recognize the the investment.

I think it's important, you know.

It's nice to see that you're here making a good application, and you know, it's something well you know our homes are worth a million plus, number one.

And as I've said to a couple people that come before you and you say no, I say the reason you bought here is because of the beauty and the elegance of the historic.

You want to keep it.

Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to ruin it, you'll be sorry.

Well, it serves as an example when we have others that come before us that are you know that are inconsistent.

So we appreciate it and thank you.

Thank you.

I had a question.

Um how you said 22, how many total windows all together my home?

Yeah, all together.

91.

Okay.

That's the question.

And the specialty windows are we that's considering the specialty, that's considering the basement.

That's the third floor.

Yeah, because there's a lot of like odd, like upstairs it had like the Juliet window and and the basement.

Yeah.

Uh if the board has no comments, I'll just open it to the floor if there are any.

Oh god.

She just can't come up and complain.

Well, you asked about you said about the pillow window.

Consumer reports, sorry, you just have to do your name and at the end of the day.

Oh, Elena Hirston Cowie.

It's like I I live here.

Elena Harrison Cowie 70 Hunter Avenue.

Um that that pillow window is the top-rated wood window from consumer reports.

So it should be a really a really really good one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I just like people are, you know, where they come together.

There's the actual ridges that match.

Because this is not like they slide in.

This is an actual window, just like the one I had.

And a couple windows I looked at, they kind of glossed over that.

And no, because inside you want to see the little little ridges where the pane meets.

That's part of the charm.

Uh anybody want to make a motion?

I'll make a motion.

I'll make a motion to um approve the application.

HLRB 6-2026 by Margaret Chadwick for sure.

Certificate of appropriateness to replace 22 windows at 95 Hamilton Avenue, block 834 lot 19, R1 Historic Zone District.

Do you have a second?

I said all in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Thank you, everybody.

I'm gonna winter.

We go to uh item 2.4 application HLRB 72026 by Jody Luce Lucina Picardo for a certificate of appropriateness to legalize a wooden enclosed fence at the side and rear yard at 40 Earl Place, block 879, lot 35 in an R1 historic zone district.

Good evening.

My name is Jody Lucena Picchardo.

It's close, it's a hard one.

Okay, um, 40 year old place.

I'm here with my husband Diego Picardo.

You'll see him as some of the models in some of these pictures, I think.

Oh no, maybe not these.

Anyway.

Um so very quickly, this was a fence that we put in during COVID to enclose our yard to protect our kids.

You know, then we got a dog, etc.

etc.

Um, unfortunately, we didn't realize because we thought it was sort of back silly that we didn't uh that we needed even a building permit.

But we put up a wood fence, it has a pretty wood trellis.

It was above the height initially required by zoning, but we previously last month, two months ago, I think, went before the zoning board and they approved that variance, and then they sent us to you to approve the um aesthetics, the materials and stain.

So just very quickly, that's a front view of the house on the left-hand side.

Um, and you can sort of see the fence um right next to my car there.

But then you can see it closer up in the daytime.

And the and that next picture on the right, you can see the the zoning notice that was has since been approved.

So moving on.

These are just more pictures of the fence.

This is the side of the house.

This the first picture on the left and these group of three is essentially what you can see um if you're looking frontwards towards the house.

The second picture is the same part of the fence, just a different angle.

And then the third picture is from the street.

More pictures, more pictures.

The um this is the the top two on the right, that's uh right towards our our garage.

And then the top or the bottom two on the right are looking in from the inside of the fence.

This is to demonstrate the materials.

There were wood and cedar.

We purchased them in Home Depot, put it in ourselves.

You could see before the stain, it was indeed wood.

The stain color, we wanted to choose something that would, you know, I guess honor the the character of the neighborhood and the wood, we wanted to be able to see the grain, so we chose a brown, which we thought would look nice against the gray, which this board previously approved a couple years ago.

And then that's the zoning board resolution resolution where they approved our our fence height variants because the fence uh the the front the front part of the fence that was was a little bit high was higher than four feet.

So that's that's well I mean you're a your corner lot, right?

So it's a little bit a little bit more of a challenge uh with fences on a corner lot, and I think um I think the zoning board recognize that, and I believe that's something that's come come before this board as well, recognizing uh that it can be a little bit more challenging and more understanding in those situations.

Thank you.

Yeah, that it effectively works as a backyard because it's at the way back of the house.

Right.

So it's not in the front, not in the front at all.

But it's it's at the let me go back.

On one side it's on the front.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So this the this first picture on the left is technically facing Earl Place, which is a role zoning board questions, but we it's just as before us where we're gonna approve something, hopefully.

Yes.

Uh it doesn't violate any zoning except for what you've got approved.

Correct.

Um it uh doesn't violate any traffic dispositions.

Correct.

That was all within the purview of the zoning board.

Okay.

Um it's a nice fence, you know.

Um fences are are a little odd in the uh historic zone districts to me.

But I mean it's up, it has a purpose.

Um if you're gonna show just if it's helpful.

Can you see the right hand side the the length of the porch?

So the front of the house, there's a pretty significant front yard, and that fence is nowhere near the front yard.

It's sh in the front.

Right.

Right.

And the the hedge in the front kind of blocks the lower part from any exterior visual.

Yeah.

And that's the thing.

Well, that's the thing too, and I think I I appreciate you, you know, these pictures are good.

The other pictures that you showed up closer are a little bit more dramatic.

Um, but the reality is the perception from the street, you know, is what kind of more like what you're showing here, and I think is less impactful.

Thank you.

Uh any comments from the uh any more from the board?

No.

Are there any pushers there?

Sorry, wait, wait, wait.

Sorry, one second.

Oops, sorry.

Uh no more comments on the board.

Uh let's open it up to the public.

Yeah.

I sense there might be a question about hedges, bushes.

They're right along the edge here, but by all means if you want to come up and ask.

Okay.

Uh okay.

I'll close the public part of it.

Um was there anyone else that wants to speak about?

Yeah, I think the the tricky part here is that if you came to us first, we probably would not have approved this fence.

So you have our backs against a wall because it's up and but we we don't we improve fences that are invisible.

That you put trees up, you don't see the fence.

This fence is very clear.

It's brown, it's wood, it's it's high, it's tall, it goes against everything that's physical decorative, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, so I I really am at a loss of what to say because if you would have come here first, like you're supposed to, we would have said no.

So I don't know what we're supposed to vote on right now.

Okay.

Apologies, I think we just didn't even consider it during COVID.

Everybody wants a fence in in and we've turned them down in many cases.

They go around, you know, that's part of what the HLRB, that's part of what this district is, is that the you see the grass, you see the front yard, you see the front.

So that being the case, I'll just note that you have four board members here.

Um and so in order to move forward, you would need the majority of uh the members present.

Okay.

Um you know perhaps it's something that you want to maybe adjourn and and maybe think about a little bit more and maybe see if there's anything else that can be done, or or just come back and see, you know, when there's uh a a full board, uh, what the other perspectives uh of the other board members may be.

Would we have a place in the next meeting, the next month?

Of course.

In July is the next meeting?

Correct.

Um I guess that's the best option.

It's probably your safest bet.

Do I understand you notice again or anything?

No, no.

Okay.

Appreciate you taking a little look at it.

It's uh little bit of dramatic uh fencing.

I appreciate it.

I guess we thought because we have such a significant front yard and you can see so much of the grass and so much of the you know the landscaping that we just didn't appreciate the the the one uh that's a the the uh the main thing of historical review board is to preserve the historic nature of the district and how the houses work in it.

Well the the uh the main thing of historical review board is to preserve the historic nature of the district and how the houses work in it.

And this is a little off with the fencing and the height, things like that.

So we appreciate it if you would uh take another look at it.

Um just if I may, if we for fences you do you not approve fences at all, what guidelines would you recommend for a fence you would approve?

What that's totally invisible, like lower than our hedges.

Yeah, the guidelines, the guidelines discourage fences.

Um but that said, I mean, they they have been allowed in certain cases.

Generally speaking, they've been allowed in cases where either they're lower or they're more obscure, they're more kind of set back away from the street, um, or they are they're buffered by landscaping.

Arborvitae or other other landscape materials.

Okay, thank you so much.

Let's go next.

Thank you.

See you next month.

I'll just add that uh you know you're happy to connect with us uh with staff um you know in between the next meeting if you want to go over any other items.

I mean, is it okay?

I guess I'm wondering never mind.

I'll I'll connect.

Thanks.

Good night.

Thanks.

Okay.

Uh here we have a um application 2.5, application HLRB.

I'm sorry, 82026 by Jeffrey Barino for certificate of appropriateness to construct a detached two-car garage at 8 or 12 place, block 823, lot 24 in an R1 Historic Zone District.

Hello, my name is Francesco.

I'm with uh Burino Architectural Design.

Uh the application here is for a uh two-car garage uh that's um located uh it's detached off the um back, you know, behind behind the house on a on the right side.

Um I'm gonna bring up the existing house just to give you a little bit of context of the style and the character of the building.

So you could see here from the existing pictures.

Um it has a mix of uh gable and gamber roofs design um with um a very um uh we have ba bay windows, a lot of different uh you know roof peaks that that are projecting uh from the bulk of the building.

Uh it has a wraparound porch that encloses the entire front and side of the house.

Um you could see on picture number three um the driveway that leads towards the back um is where we plan on placing the new garage.

It will be um uh on that side of the house, the the property line is at a diagonal, so uh you know, as you go further back, it does disappear from the street view.

Um so we we did place it, you know, behind the house and obviously uh within the correct uh zoning uh separation from the property line to the garage.

Um the new garage is basically going to try to pull the same type of uh roof pitches and and bulk that is um present in in the current house.

So we decided to do a a gamble roof, which is uh gonna try to maximize the height uh uh of the garage to comply with the client's um program of storage uh in addition to a two-car garage below.

Um we decided to um also any the proportion of the garage is in relationship to the zoning as well, where we it based on the the lot um that the house footprint, we could only go about 25 percent of uh the house footprint for this garage.

So in it'll it'll be in proportion with um the actual uh residential home.

Um it won't be as overpowering as well.

Um the material to be used will be similar to the actual house.

We we did find the same material um which is a uh corrugated, like a wavy panel uh that is um that could be painted to match the color of the house.

It's gonna be a cement panel um that will be used to the same size and shape uh as as the residential house.

Uh we are gonna color match it.

Um even the windows will also be um uh wood windows that it is gonna be painted um the navy blue just as it appears in in the house.

Uh and all of the trim work um that will be uh used is a uh ASAC, which is gonna be white trim.

So you're gonna have all the similar colors, all of the asphalt shingles to also uh match the existing house.

So we wanted to try to blend this new structure, this is accessory structure, um like seamlessly with the name uh the context of the residential home.

Um the the choice of the garage doors is also um like a historical um like a seabrook model where it has uh presence of diagonals that it's gonna be a mixed of um white trim with with the with the navy blue um painted uh panels uh to kinda emphasize something similar to the entrance of the house door, which is a mix of white and and blue as well.

Um so we really try to work, you know, with the accessory structure to you know to try to um you know blend it in with the context of the uh of the residential home.

Um other than that, that's pretty much the whole presentation here.

Okay, I just have one question.

Sure, sure.

Where's the gable reference on the gable uh okay, yes?

On the main house.

On the main house, you have it's on the side.

Uh picture number one.

Okay.

So that that um from left to right of the house, it that's we had a gate Gabriel roof um has to be.

Oh, okay.

The picture is very small.

I can see how it works.

I see where it is.

You have the regular gable in the front and then the gamble that that cuts to the case.

You're standing at exactly the the angle where the the uh roof break disappears.

Yeah, okay.

And you could see it on picture number three as well.

It's a little, you know, the angle is a little skewed, but it that continues all the time.

Oh yeah, I just was wondering where you when you said that I was trying to find it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any comments from the board I was just trying to um visualize because I don't see a site plan that shows exactly where the garage is gonna be, at least what I have.

And so looking to see where the location the garage is gonna be based upon where the house is.

I don't I just don't see it on what I have here.

So page uh T uh 02.

You could see the site uh the plot plan where it has existing footprint of the house.

Um so where the driveway is on a right hand side, we did set back the garage to have uh a little bit of a park and s parking area in front of the garage and then set the the garage even further back.

So the dimension, I can't really see on the small screen, but you could see here you could stand behind the phone.

You can zoom in, you can zoom in on the laptop if you want.

Okay.

Um here we go.

So it is 18 feet back from the um corner of the house, 18 so 18 feet back from here, and then that's where you have the uh uh two-car uh garage at that location.

Um you have you know, this is the you know street side, you know, driveway here, and then it is set back.

Uh we didn't want to push it too much further than that just to because we didn't want to create a long driveway to the back of the property.

So you could see here from even from the street, I would say maybe 25% of the um corn the left corner of the garage will be kind of tucked in behind it.

But but you will see um you know roughly you know the middle to the right side.

I just have a a curious question.

Did this house ever have a garage?

I don't think it did.

Uh okay.

And then you said the driveways on an angle, is that how you described it?

Yes.

Uh so the pro the way the property is uh you can see here it is at a diagonal over here.

So you have 90 degree corners on on these sides here, and then it is skewed on on the right side of the property.

So it kind of does so that that's the only area where it's a heavy word.

Recedes into the back of the property.

Okay.

Yep.

And we, you know, and that that's really the only access point uh available, you know, for this.

Any comments from the board?

Why don't we uh pro it over to the audience?

Any comments from the I please come up I didn't understand.

Um this the about uh Alena Hirston Cowie uh 70 Hunter Avenue.

Something about cement panels.

Is that the siding?

Yes, yes.

Is that that's what's on the house?

Yes.

Cement panels?

Oh, I see.

Okay.

It's painted panels, right?

Uh huh.

Okay.

Sorry, if you could just it has the wave.

Okay.

So uh yeah, it's just because people in the audio uh that are listening to the recording can't can't hear it.

So she can ask a question, then you can come up and respond.

Thank you.

Okay.

So I've never heard of cement panels.

How do you make a cement panel that goes on the house?

No, they're around.

They they are nailed on?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Are they old?

Is that a historic?

Yes, is that a historic um uh uh feature?

Uh they probably had them.

I couldn't I couldn't tell you the history of them myself, but uh Okay.

Are they um common in the historic district?

I've never heard of them.

I'm just that's why I'm asking it when he said it's I couldn't give you an example of the historic district, but okay.

They aren't a new product.

Okay, but they are manufactured now.

Yeah.

Okay.

And they've been manufactured for years.

Is that what you're saying?

I don't know the history of them, but I would say that they are, yes.

Well, if you're approving them, I'm wondering why.

Uh a lot of times they were made out of asbestos, and no one likes to hear that one.

Oh, okay.

And sometimes when they're done like this, it's because the garage is very close to the property line where you have to change the material to a fireproof material, which this is.

Okay, oh, I see.

Okay, thank you.

So why don't you tell us why you selected that?

Uh we wanted to match the the original uh siding that was present.

So we found the exact sample that that worked with it.

Um so we we didn't want to change the design.

Uh just trying to just match it.

So the house has those the house?

Yes, so yeah, I'll show you another picture.

Um and I'm sure your product meets all the uh proper material codes for cement panels.

Yes, yes.

So you can see here the zoomed in picture that they're they're basically the 12 by 24 panels, and then the underside is wavy, and the product that we found.

So those are cement panels.

Yeah, yes.

They're cementitious cement.

That's the best way to put it.

It's not just pure cement.

Yeah.

Right, right, right.

Okay.

And uh that would be the same for the usually done for fireproofing.

They have modern products which are not the A word.

Because a lot of people want to keep that on their house.

Sure.

Um it it's kind of a it's kind of uh uh colloquialism for not saying that word.

Um the product here, the fiber cement siding right here that we we I did include.

It's a little hard to zoom.

Yeah, yeah.

Fibers.

So you can see here we we selected the same size and and texture.

Um and that could be painted to match the house.

So we will do the color match.

We we did the preliminary color match and we did include that here, which is um this is like a classic gray, but we will and and then and the windows it will be just Hill Navy to try to match it.

But we we are gonna have additional samples as uh you know once we get the permits to try to get exact color.

Okay, it can be painted also.

But yeah, I recalled the product, yes.

I've actually used it, and you gotta look for that.

Yeah, you gotta make mock ups.

We don't want a deviations.

Okay.

Any um with that being talked down.

Anybody have a motion to make?

Wood windows, yes.

Yeah, that's great.

Uh I'll make a motion that we pass uh the project as presented.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second all in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay, motion passes.

All right, thank you.

Okay.

Um and then the last thing we have here is uh city council referrals item three, uh old and new business.

Uh item 3.1 extension request by John Woodruff AIA H L R B 42023 for site plan and certificate of appropriateness previously approved on July 12th, 2023 to construct a single family dwelling on at Fifth Avenue block A48, lot twenty-one in our one historic zone district.

I'll just note uh we received uh the extension request, the uh which by the way you've repro approved an extension before, but um they have been diligently working with building program, I'm sure sir, I can attest to that.

And it's my understanding that they're just having some uh difficulty with some last minute utility issues, otherwise that's my understanding.

If nothing's different, they haven't been the I've asked for proofs that they have contacted to because you if you remember you have to those wire or the post, and I'm still waiting for any proof that they're okay.

So we'll just let this uh try to try to see if they can get that resolved.

Yeah.

But keep it open and we'll just resolve it when he brings the proof in.

No.

Correct, yes.

Correct.

Uh I move we uh vote to uh approve the extension and for the proof.

I second all in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion passes.

Thank you, sir.

Motion to adjourn the meeting.

So moved.

Second, second, second all in favor, aye.

Okay, meeting adjourned.