0:49Hug, Melton, Roe, Festerson, Goodwin is absent.
1:06To the Republic for which it stands.
1:08One nation under the indivisible with liberty justice.
1:21For the remarks today, I wanted to uh show a little bit of love to our planning department.
1:28It's been about 30 years since Omaha developed a vision for its future with the Omaha Master Plan.
1:35Our city is growing and it faces challenges and opportunities, a lot different than it did back in the 1990s.
1:43It's time for a new comprehensive plan.
1:46Our planning department wants to hear your voice.
1:50You can help guide the future of our city's growth and development by taking a short 12-minute survey.
1:57In the survey, you'll be asked about your experience living in Omaha, your preferences for future development of our city, and your support for different types of growth.
2:07You can find the survey online at We Make Omaha.gov.
2:14A comp plan is a city's vision for the next 20 years.
2:17It outlines a city's preferred direction and where we grow.
2:22In order to make good decisions about Omaha's future that reflects who we are as a community, we need a new comprehensive plan, and we need your participation.
2:38Before we begin, we got a couple of proclamations today.
2:41The first one is by Councilmember Pete Fesserson, and the second one is by Councilmember Brinker Harding.
2:50Uh, I have just two things I want to note today.
2:52First of all, if you're a winter Olympics fan like I am, uh, you're sad to see that event end.
2:57It's been tremendous over the last couple of weeks, and ended uh in a very exciting faciting fashion with both the women's and men's hockey teams winning gold in overtime.
3:08Uh the one Omaha connection I wanted to note in that respect is uh you may not know that on the men's hockey team, uh, Jake Guntzel uh was a participant who's an Omaha native, uh went to UNO, played UNO hockey, and now plays for the Tampa Bay Lightning.
3:24So he's now a gold medalist, and we're very proud of that uh with him being from Omaha.
3:28The second thing I want to note uh that we're also very proud of, and also includes athletic prowess, is my friend Taryn Smith.
3:35If she wants to come down to the podium, please as you may have seen in the Omaha World Held recently, uh there was a story about Taryn's adventure uh being the first woman uh in history to complete what's called the toughest row across the Atlantic Ocean from uh the Canary Islands to Antigua, uh 3,000 mile journey, uh took her 46 days, solo venture for 46 days on the ocean, um, and finished with uh with uh a great placement, and also in the meantime, raised money for our local charity.
4:07So we wanted to honor her today.
4:09And I'll read the following proclamation.
4:12Whereas the community of Omaha takes immense pride in the extraordinary courage, resilience, and athletic prowess of Teryn Smith, a graduate of Miller South High and Nebraska Wesley University.
4:25And whereas Tyrin has secured her place in maritime history by becoming the first American woman to successfully complete a solo journey in what's called the world's toughest row, a formidable and grueling 3,000 mile journey across the Atlantic Ocean.
4:40And whereas Taryn departed from Spain on December 12th, 2025, and arrived in Antigua on January 27th, 2026.
4:50She braved the elements for 46 days, paddling 10 to 12 miles a day while navigating wind, rain, and tough seas with a spirit of patience and determination.
5:01And whereas beyond her physical feat, Taryn utilized her international platform to champion the next generation of leaders, raising nearly $37,000 for girls on the run Nebraska, the largest single contribution to this organization's 23 history, 23-year history, and whereas her journey serves to highlight the values of discipline and resilience she cultivated at the Mary Lorraine Dance Center, proving to young women that they possess the strength to achieve any goal they set their sights upon.
5:32And whereas by viewing the vast challenges of the ocean as lessons in life, learning to slow down, wait for the storm to pass, and embrace the art of patience, Terran serves as an inspiration for Nebraskans of all ages.
5:46Now, therefore, be it resolved that the City Council of Omaha officially commends Terren Smith for her historic achievement and her heart for service.
5:55And we look forward to seeing her next challenge, whatever that may be.
6:07Thank you so much for this honor.
6:10It really means the world.
6:12A lot of people have expressed surprise that a woman from Omaha, Nebraska, a notoriously landlocked place, decided to row across the Atlantic Ocean by herself.
6:23But to me, it's not a surprise at all.
6:26Omaha is a place of creativity and innovation.
6:30And my row is really a product of my community.
6:34It was brought to life by friends and family and neighbors.
6:38We are meant to go out in the world and do big things, and I just feel so grateful to be from a place that supports that.
6:45So thank you very much.
7:09If I can just make one comment, you may get you're very proud of where you're from, but we're very proud of you.
7:15So thanks for doing that and putting Omaha again on the map.
7:19Um, but I'm just amazed.
7:21And thank you for providing all that hope to other young females in our community.
7:26I mean, what a great thing you did something like that, but then it was also for charity and uh help other young women see that they can basically accomplish anything they want to do.
7:36So I just my heart goes out to you, and thank you.
7:46Before I start, uh before I start, uh, I also wanted to know that um, in addition to Jake Gunsel, that Jack Hughes, who scored the golden goal, played, uh, I'm told for the Lancers for a bit too.
8:00So we have a couple of Omaha connections on the U.S.
8:06Um, I'm gonna last week um we lost a uh a true Omaha leader in Mike Annie, and I have a proclamation to read uh for Mike Annie, and Lisa Yanne couldn't be here today, but I will make sure that she gets the proclamation.
8:26Yanni was born on December 3, 1933, the youngest of nine children of Lebanese immigrants in Kearney, Nebraska, Mike rose from humble beginnings to become a titan of international business and a cornerstone of civic life.
8:45And whereas Mike shared 65 years of loving marriage and a lifetime of shared purpose with his wife, Dr.
8:53Gail Walling Yanni, together creating a blueprint for life lived with principle, curiosity, and focus on making the community better for future generations, and whereas Mike's commitment to his home state was unparalleled, as evidenced by his role in establishing the Yanni Heritage Park in Kearney, securing land for the Ashfall Fossil Beds State Historical Park in Northeast Nebraska, and championed the growth championing the growth of the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
9:30And whereas, as the founder of America First Investment Company and later Burlington Capital, Mike's financial acumen and steadfast leadership bridged continents and connected Midwest industrial and agricultural development with all corners of global trade.
10:00And whereas Mike's greatest investment was always in people, having founded a youth mentorship program, partnership for kids in Omaha, serving as an impassioned advocate for aspirational projects of others, and always seeking to uplift those in need without desire for personal credit.
10:12And whereas the City of Omaha gives pause to honor the extraordinary life and enduring legacy of Michael B.
10:20Yannie, a visionary leader, philanthropist, and devoted family man who passed away on February 14th, 2026 at the age of 92.
10:32Now, therefore, let it be known that we recognize Michael Bianne as a grand example of leadership and know that his legacy shall remain forever in the hearts of many individuals he mentored and inspired in witness whereof we have set our hands and cause the official seal of the city to be affixed on this 24th day of February 2026.
10:56Again, uh Lisa couldn't be here today, but I will make sure that uh she and her family gets a copy of this.
11:02Thank you, an affidavit of publications is on file, and a current copy of the open meeting act is posted in a white binder on the east wall of legislative chambers.
11:20Welcome to this meeting of the Omaha City Council.
11:23Is a courtesy to those in attendance and to facilitate the conduct of our business?
11:29We ask that you silence or turn off all electronic devices.
11:33A reminder that you will have three minutes to speak on an agenda item.
11:37Please stay on topic.
11:39For those not providing in-person testimony and would like your comments entered into the public record, you can email the city clerk's office at Cityclerk at City of Omaha.org.
11:51Council members receive these emails and we read them.
11:54Finally, council members may ask members of the audience back up for clarifying questions, but not for extra time to speak.
12:03I would also like to remind council members to speak clearly into their microphones so audience members in attendance and at home can hear.
12:11And also those that come up to the podium, make sure those microphones are both right in front of you so we can hear you clearly as well.
12:19Item six to consider a class I liquor license for Hyderabad House, Biryani Place, located at 2537 South 174th Plaza.
12:29This item was postponed from the February 10th, 2026 meeting.
12:33The public hearing is now open.
12:36Are there proponents or the is the applicant here today?
12:56Chikara, can you hear us?
13:10Chikara Gata Shikara, can you hear us?
13:15Do you have us muted there?
13:17Because we can see that you're zoomed in, but we come back to it.
13:28I think he's probably the time.
13:31Well, one more time, can you hear us?
13:34Yeah, he's in the message if you want to go into the next one.
13:41If you can hear me, just stay put because we're going to try to get you hooked up and we'll come back to you on the agenda.
13:54Can you give us my phone?
13:55My I was logged in on my uh PC, but uh the microphone doesn't work, so I'm trying to log in on my phone.
14:02Okay, we hear you just fine.
14:04Can we get your name and your address for the record, please?
14:07Uh my name is Gita Chokara.
14:12It's for uh once again.
14:14It's for uh Hydrabadi House.
14:18Let me get the address.
14:292537 South, 174 Plaza.
14:34We might circle back if we have any questions.
14:37Are there are there any proponents here today on item number six?
14:42Seeing none, are there any opponents?
14:45Public hearing is closed.
14:49Got a motion and a second roll call.
14:57Motion passed six to zero.
15:00Item seven to consider class C liquor license for Bucky Dexter's located at 4213 South 84th Street.
15:07Public hearing is now open on item number seven.
15:09Is the applicant here today?
15:14Applicant for Bucky Dexters here today.
15:33Got a motion and a second to lay over for one week roll call.
15:42Motion passed six to zero.
15:47Item eight to consider a class I liquid license for cozy lounge located at 5813 North 60th Street.
15:54Public hearing is now open on item number eight.
15:56Is the applicant in attendance today?
16:14Name and address, please.
16:17And the address is 5813 North 60th Street.
16:20Thanks for being here.
16:21If we got any questions, we'll might pop you back up.
16:25Are there any proponents here on item number eight?
16:28Seeing none, are there any opponents?
16:32Public hearing is closed.
16:36Councilmember Fesserson, you're recognized.
16:39This is actually located in a council member Goodwin's district, but it's really close to mine too.
16:44Are you a new owner then?
16:45Is it a uh well I I own the Get Down Ocean Lounge as well.
16:50And so you're expanding the business here too.
16:52Oh actually, that um the Get Down Ocean Lounge.
16:56I have a business partner and the cozy.
16:58This will be this is uh I'm doing this alone.
17:01This it'd be a uh a single solo dolo mission for me.
17:06So first time managing this particular location though.
17:11Um and how goes the get down ultra lounge in Florence.
17:14Everything's going uh as well as as you know as it can go.
17:18Um I think I think we've been fairly successful being there for nine years.
17:23I know we've had a lot of conversations about that over the over the years, and that's my sense of it too.
17:28There had been some recent um items or uh incidents of concern at this location, but it probably goes back a couple years ago now.
17:34Um are you aware of that?
17:35Or absolutely yeah, nothing since though, right?
17:39No, I mean my mission is to kind of kind of clean the place up a little bit in terms of uh uh make it a little safer.
17:49It's nice to see you again and I'll I motion to approve.
17:53Got a motion and a second roll call.
17:55Harding, yes, hug, yes, Melton, row, faster, yes, Mr.
18:00Aye, motion pass six to zero.
18:03Item nine to consider a class D liquor license for IMART located at nine zero one zero fourth street.
18:09Public hearing is now open on item number nine.
18:12I believe we have the applicant by Zoom.
18:22Hello, I'm the Cas Groom from IMAC Omaha, Nebraska.
18:26So my location is 901040 Street, Omaha, Nebraska.
18:34Are there any proponents here on item number nine?
18:38Seeing none, are there any opponents?
18:42Public hearing is closed.
18:47Motion and a second roll call.
18:49Harding, yes, hug, Melton, row, festerson, Mr.
18:54Motion passed six to zero.
18:56Item 10, a resolution to approve the preliminary plat for Cattail Creek commercial replat to located northeast of 192nd and Q Streets, Planning Board and Planning Department.
19:07Public hearing is now open on item number 10.
19:10The applicant, good afternoon.
19:12Good afternoon, members of council, Douglas Strees and 10836 Old Mill Road.
19:17Appearing on behalf of the applicant, here to answer any questions you may have.
19:23Are there any proponents here on item number 10?
19:27Seeing none, are there any opponents?
19:30Public hearing is closed.
19:34Got a motion and a second roll call.
19:42Motion passed six to zero.
19:45Item 11, a resolution to approve the preliminary plat for a line 192, located southwest of 192nd and Q Streets.
19:52Planning Board and Planning Department recommend approval.
19:55Public hearing is now open on item number 11.
19:58Applicant, good afternoon.
20:02Joe Foley, 3930 South 147th Street here in Omaha.
20:09Here to really answer any questions.
20:11That's a one lot subdivision.
20:13We want to zone it to R6 for about 90 apartment units.
20:17It's kind of grade challenge, so the uh the owners worked hard to make it pretty appealing to the neighbors, and we've met several times with the neighborhood and everything, and I think everybody generally supports the project.
20:30So be happy to answer any questions you might have.
20:34Are there any proponents here on item number 11?
20:38Seeing none, are there any opponents?
20:41Public hearing is closed.
20:45Got a motion and a second roll call.
20:52Motion pass six to zero.
20:55Items 12 and 13 can be considered together for South Side Terrace 3, located southeast of 30th and T Streets, Planning Board and Planning Department.
21:04Item 12, a resolution to approve the final plat.
21:06Item 13, a resolution to approve the subdivision agreement.
21:10The public hearing is now open for items 12 and 13.
21:14Applicant, good afternoon.
21:16Terry Morrison with Airhard Griffin and Associates 3552 Farnham Street.
21:21I'm here on behalf of the ownership group.
21:26Are there any proponents here today?
21:31Seeing none, are there any opponents?
21:34Public hearing is closed.
21:37Got a motion and a second.
21:45Motion passed six to zero.
21:48Item 14, a resolution to approve a major amendment to the presumed special use permit to allow outdoor sports and recreation in an AG district.
21:57Located at 2410 South 217th Street, Planning Board and Planning Department.
22:04C is communications and opposition.
22:07Public hearing is now open on item number 14, Mr.
22:12Good afternoon again.
22:13Douglas Drees and 10836 Old Mill Road.
22:16Appearing on behalf of the applicant, uh the applicants here in the audience as well as the attorney.
22:25We have submitted the uh required landscape plan and construction plan of the parking lot.
22:33We're good with all of the other recommendations, and with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.
22:42Are there any proponents here?
22:53Diana vote, um 260 Regency Parkway Drive, Omaha, Nebraska, 68114.
23:01Um, I'm actually here more as a neutral commentator.
23:04I represent the Skyline Woods Homeowners Association.
23:07Um, and we we are fully in favor of reinstating the golf course and the related amenities and the new clubhouse.
23:16Uh we just want to put on the record that by this support, we are not waiving uh the right to enforce the covenants that run with the land should that become an issue.
23:28Are there any other proponents here today?
23:32Seeing none, are there any opponents?
23:36Public hearing is closed.
23:39Got a motion and a second roll call.
23:42Harding, yes, hug, Melton, row, festerson, yes, Mr.
23:47Motion pass six to zero.
23:50Item 15, a resolution to amend resolution number 2025-1077, approving that Conestoga collection tax increment financing, redevelopment project plan to designate the redevelopment project site as 2415 Florence Boulevard.
24:05I'll open the public hearing on item number 15.
24:08Seaton, good afternoon.
24:09Oh, yeah, good afternoon.
24:10Don Seaton on Omaha City Planning Department.
24:12Uh the council approved this TIFF project a couple weeks ago, but the location was not properly identified.
24:18Approval of the item on today's agenda.
24:21We'll correct that error.
24:23Are there any proponents here today?
24:27Seeing none, are there any opponents?
24:31Public hearing is closed.
24:35Got a were you an opponent?
24:41I didn't see you back there.
24:48Larry Store, 5015 Lafayette Avenue, Omaha 68132.
24:53I am opposed to this because I don't think number one.
25:00We need a new children's museum and everything else just down there.
25:07We're on item number 15 right now.
25:11Public hearing is closed.
25:16We had a motion and a second.
25:21We have motion a second.
25:32A resolution to approve the 8th and Douglas redevelopment plan.
25:36An amendment to the downtown Northeast Redevelopment Plan located northeast of 8th and Douglas Streets.
25:42Public hearing is now open on item number 16.
25:46Taylor, good afternoon.
25:48Good afternoon, members of City Council.
25:49Jennifer Taylor, City Law Department.
25:51Um as discussed in pre-council this morning.
25:55The redevelopment plan is being brought here to you today for approval.
26:00Uh and it includes the both the proposed beam redevelopment project and the contemplated uh relocation of the Ohmad Children's Museum.
26:10Can you please silence your cell phone?
26:18It's on the floor up there.
26:25Taylor, please continue.
26:28I was at the state legislature in a hearing last week where somebody's abandoned iPad went set off an alarm and didn't and kept going for like two minutes.
26:37So we know you can talk, Jen.
26:39So anyway, so the redevelopment plan obviously contemplates both the beam redevelopment project and the proposed uh relocation of the Omaha Children's Museum.
26:49I know that there has been some discussion in in the public about the viability or the or the ongoing viability of the children's museum project.
26:57Uh I believe that the funders are still kind of looking at whether or not they can raise funds and whether they can proceed with that.
27:03In the meantime, um I know that the new style project is is generally on hold, but both projects, if they become viable, will move forward in accordance with this plan.
27:15We are presenting the plan today for approval so that those things can happen if that funding becomes available, and also it allows us to reimburse uh new style development for a significant amount of site work that they have accomplished on the site.
27:30So they have undertaken uh significant grading of the site, a large scale scale sewer relocation, um, design and engineering for the city's proposed standalone garage, which will likely proceed regardless, um, as well as some road work.
27:45So there's been several million dollars expended by uh New Style in preparation of the site, which will make the site obviously now what I would call shovel ready or ready for development.
27:55In the event that neither project moves forward as currently contemplated, the city does have a far more valuable site with which it can either sell to a new developer or RFP for another project.
28:07Uh but in the meantime, we would like to go ahead and reimburse new style for the money that they have spent to improve our land at their expense.
28:16I'm happy to answer any questions.
28:18Are there any proponents here today in item 16?
28:23Seeing none, are there any opponents?
28:29Opponents and item number 16.
28:34Public hearing is closed.
28:42Got a motion and a second row call.
28:50Motion passed, six to zero.
28:53Item 17, an ordinance to create road maintenance district number 2025-01 for the purpose of improving South 91st Circle from Pacific Street north to the terminus.
29:04Public hearing is now open on item 17.
29:08Is the applicant here today?
29:12Are there any proponents here today on item 17?
29:16Seeing none, are there any opponents?
29:20Public hearing is closed.
29:23Got a motion, a second, roll call.
29:34Motion pass six to zero.
29:38Any member of the city council may cause any item placed on the consent agenda to be removed.
29:43Items removed from the consent agenda.
29:45Shall be taken up by the city council immediately following the consent agenda and the order in which they were removed unless otherwise provided by the city council rules of order.
29:54The public hearing on agenda item 18 was held on February 10th, 2026.
30:02Got a motion and a second roll call.
30:14The public hearings on agenda items 19 through 38 are today.
30:19If you wish to address the city council regarding these items, please come to the microphone.
30:25Indicate the agenda number you wish to address.
30:28Identify yourself by your name, address, who you represent, and if you're a proponent or opponent, the public hearing is now open.
30:37Are there any proponents on items 19 through 38?
30:43Seeing none, are there any opponents?
31:16And I just don't think that Michael Robinson should be a member of the BID, especially for five years.
31:33He illegally added my name to the water.
31:37He'll legally try to get me evicted from those water bills.
31:43And he has been harassing me throughout the whole three years that I've been at Jackson Fair Deals.
31:53He is a board member of OEDC who's director.
31:56And I just I don't see why we would add him to this with all the stuff that he's done to me.
32:05Why would we give him a chance to be on this BID board?
32:10So I'm um I don't want that to happen.
32:15Thanks for being here today.
32:17Are there any other opponents on items 19 through 38?
32:23Seeing none, public hearing is closed.
32:30Motion approved 19 through 38.
32:32We got a motion and a second.
32:43Item 39, an ordinance to acquire private property.
32:46Located at 1111 M Plaza for the Missouri River and Papillion Creek.
32:50WRRF secondary treatment design project.
32:54I will now open the public hearing on item 39.
32:57Are there any proponents here today?
33:00Seeing none, are there any opponents?
33:03Public hearing is closed.
33:05Item 40, an ordinance authorizing and approving an amendment to the master lease purchase agreement to provide funds for a modern streetcar system and an amount not to exceed 70 million dollars.
33:16Lease revenue bonds series 2026 D.
33:20Public hearing is now open on item number 40.
33:23Are there any proponents here today?
33:31Uh President Bailey, members of the city council, Jennifer Taylor, City Law Department.
33:36Um just as a brief overview of the bond issuance that's before you today.
33:43Sorry, my 17 pages of notes.
33:47Um this is not an increase in the existing authorization necessarily uh what has been previously authorized by this council.
33:56So just as a quick review.
33:57Um council in December of 2022 authorized $360 million of revenue bonds and $80 million of lease revenue bonds in order to support the streetcar project.
34:12Since then, um none of the revenue bonds have been authorized or issued.
34:16We have issued the $80 million in lease revenue bonds.
34:20Um in addition to the $50 million that was issued and authorized pursuant to the mutual of Omaha specific private placement bond.
34:27So effectively, we have uh the city council has authorized and authorized issuance of 130 million dollars of lease revenue bonds in order to fund expenses related to the streetcar as of the end of 2025.
34:42Uh the almost street car authority has expended approximately 130 million dollars uh in funds in furtherance of the project.
34:49So we are at a point now where we need to uh enter into another tranche of funding for the streetcar project.
35:00So we would need a second tranche later in the year, but again, we're we're splitting these up in order to save on carrying costs and kind of minimize market risk.
35:10It does not increase the amount that the council has set forth, uh, which is effectively 440 million dollars to fund the project.
35:19Right now, the project budget is at 421 million dollars.
35:24Jensen can correct me, but I would say the majority of the project, almost all the project has been either bid or is subject to a grow uh a maximum price contract.
35:33So that 421 million dollars pending change orders is really a pretty solid price.
35:37So we're still under the 440 that this council has generally authorized to pay for this project.
35:43This is simply just uh an authorization of $70 million for now, and it will be an additional lease revenue bond issuance and not a revenue bond issuance.
35:53Um as I have briefed the council and we discussed this morning.
35:56The reason for changing the financial instrument is effectively that we can get about a four and a half percent interest rate on a lease revenue bond, and we are at about a six and a half to seven percent interest rate on a straight revenue bond.
36:08So that two two and a half percent difference effectively constitutes about seven to eight million dollars a year in additional costs.
36:15So if we were to go uh a different financing route, it would significantly impact the financial viability of the project.
36:24Whereas it is currently set up under a lease revenue bond.
36:27We can pay for the entire debt service with the excess ad blue arm tax revenues that we are expected to generate in the district.
36:34Jensen can answer some questions about that.
36:37Um but under this current financing system, we will have enough revenue to pay the debt service.
36:43If we were to change the financing instrument into something else, it would add, as I noted, several millions of dollars a year to the cost, plus actually a fairly heavy 25 to 35 million dollar debt service reserve.
36:57Again, those are costs we don't need to incur, and frankly, would um uh severely hamper the viability of the project.
37:05I won't go into anything else there.
37:06You've been given briefing members, and I'm happy to answer any questions.
37:11Are there any other proponents here today?
37:16Seeing none, are there any opponents?
37:31Omaha City Council, Donny R.
37:32Johnson at Johnson E.
37:33Question Foundation, North Omaha Concerned Citizen Foundation, 49, 282nd Street.
37:39I think what the city is doing in the and Mr.
37:41Johnson is doing is wonderful.
37:43But would would the council take in consideration all this new money coming in in a streetcar?
37:48I believe is going to be a wonderful project.
37:50We have two sales tax on auto purchase.
37:53Can they remove one of the sales tax and increase the world tax on somebody's developers?
38:00Are there any other opponents here today on item number 40?
38:08Larry Storr, 5015 Lafayette Avenue, Omaha 68132.
38:13I am a opposed to this ordinance and I concur 100 percent with one uh gentleman that already sent this email to you.
38:22I sent a copy of that to uh uh join him, and I'd like to read that for the record because it's not clear whether what I say today gets on the record unless I send it to you in an email later, which doesn't make much sense, so I'm gonna read it.
38:39I urge a no vote to the ordinance.
38:43Approving an amendment to spend even more money on the streetcar, everybody in Omaha except those profiting from the project, like real estate modules, streetcar authority, and gifter, Jay Nottle, who donated $3,500 to Mr.
38:59Harding for Congress, hates.
39:02It's pretty insulting that the Omaha City Council ignored the will of the people and approved the hugely expensive streetcar project with goodly unproven funding source.
39:14Goofy unproven funding source, except for my taxes.
39:20We asked the Jean Stotter by a large margin when she uh showed this down, shoved it down our throats.
39:28But for some reason, probably apathy, the council members retained their seats, which is too bad.
39:35Now the streets are a mess.
39:37Businesses are losing tons of money.
39:39They're having meetings at night about it.
39:42While the Omaha Public Works Department drags out and detours for months, if not years.
39:48I urge a no vote on the ordinance.
39:51Everybody except for Kewood and HDR would be a lot better off if the city pulled the plug on the street.
40:00Streetcar right now.
40:05Are there any other opponents here on item number 40?
40:12Louise Human is 2709 Dewey Avenue.
40:18I am opposed to this, not because of the money situation, but what the money is going to afford.
40:26I got the opportunity to hear our mayor, John Ewing, and he said that since he took office, he brought the streetcar project on time.
40:38It's going to be on time.
40:39Now the question is, is it going to be on budget, under budget, over budget?
40:46And uh this seems to me to be a speculate financial scheme that doesn't address the infrastructure that uh is going to be in place.
40:58And uh $421 million on top of what you would spending to make sure that the streetcar can go along seems like a lot of money for the infrastructure.
41:15And all I asked of the previous mayor was can you put some restrooms, public restrooms along uh the line.
41:23Uh there's no talk about refinancing uh this money so that infrastructure can be approved.
41:30All they are talking about is just refinancing the money.
41:34Uh so I oppose to this because we're asking a lot from Omahans to participate on the streetcar without restrooms.
41:45I think uh that would be just contaminant to the infrastructure.
41:53Are there any other opponents here today on item number 40?
41:57Seeing none, public hearing is closed.
42:00Council member Harding, you're recognized.
42:04President Steve Jensen, if you could come.
42:06First, but um two things before I have some questions for you, Steve.
42:11One, it was just stated from a couple of um testifiers a minute ago when reading from uh a letter that uh was sent.
42:19It does, contrary to what the letter said, it does not add dollars to the project, which Ms.
42:25Taylor actually said in in her testimony as well, too.
42:29So wanted to clear that one up first.
42:32And then secondly, I think it was stated from when Ms.
42:36Taylor was talking that to change the financial tool from the lease revenue bond to the revenue bond, um, when I think originally as an anticipated or as envisioned, this was going to be the opposite of that.
42:54It was going to be a revenue bond and not a lease revenue bond.
42:57So that leads me into some of my questions for you, Mr.
43:02Could you explain why the change and what that what that means to the city and the taxpayers as well, too?
43:13Steve Jensen, Deputy Chief of Staff for Economic Development in Mayor Ewing's office.
43:18Um with regard to the change, I think is as uh uh Jennifer explained, the um switch from uh revenue bond to lease purchase bond um uh is at a lower interest rate.
43:31So saves, I think over the course of the of time, I think it was 200 million in uh um uh interest payments.
43:39Over 30 years, I believe.
43:40Over the yeah, over the length of the bonds, and so that amount of money then is then available to help pay for uh the streetcar and ultimately also for affordable housing.
43:50So um I think the um it the uh the intent is to save that money, that interest, and uh use it really to pay for the construction of the streetcar and and for affordable housing as well.
44:02And and using because they're they're two different financial tools.
44:07Um talk about the uh if you will, talk about the the reason one might have preferred a revenue bond over the lease revenue bond, but for the savings.
44:18And I'll and then we can talk about the projections after that.
44:21And I'll let if I I'll let Jennifer correct me if I'm if I misstate something, but the revenue bond really is just relying solely on the revenue that would come from uh the tax increment financing uh mechanism that we're using to pay for uh the streetcar and to pay for the bonds.
44:36Uh in terms of the lease purchase bonds, um those lease purchase bonds also uh bring uh the backing of the city uh for those lease purchase bonds.
44:45And so there would be, if there was not enough revenue, there would be um uh city funds would be used.
44:51However, by preserving or saving that 200 million dollars, it just makes it even more um uh likely and and um ensures that we'll be able to pay for all of the bonds uh using the revenue from uh tax increment financing from new development.
45:06Okay, and again, because there's there's about a 200 basis point difference between the two financial instruments.
45:13That's my understanding.
45:14Uh the lower, the lower being um the lease revenue bonds or the lease purchase and therefore being able to save 200 million over the the life of the bond or uh 30 30 years, I believe.
45:29Um because I I just want to make sure this cards on table for everyone to understand that it was originally anticipated that we were just going to use uh the revenue bonds and therefore rely solely upon the proceeds from the tax increment financing.
45:48True, although you had already approved lease purchase bonds.
45:53For a portion of it.
45:53Yeah, not that it was anticipated.
45:56I'm sorry to jump in.
45:57It was anticipated that that was for that tranche and not for future tranches, but because of the difference from maybe then and even when the project was originally envisioned, the difference between the the basis points differential between the two financial instruments was a lot smaller and and therefore wasn't as much of maybe a concern financially over the course of the the term of the bonds.
46:28No, that's exactly right.
46:29And I think uh uh Steve Curtis could probably give you the specifics, but yeah, at the time there was not a big difference between lease purchase uh interest rates and the revenue bond interest rates.
46:40Okay, so then if you could you you handed out something a little earlier today too to the council um talk about the the projections um originally anticipated maybe by MUNICAP and what we are seeing so far that's uh in the process of or is slated to be um I guess broken ground or anticipated to be uh under construction soon.
47:08What that means financially to the model.
47:12So originally um when we looked at the project and looked at the uh potential for development in the corridor, looked at we had um uh market studies that were done for residential, for office, for retail and so forth.
47:27And those those studies all told us that we could expect probably at least $3.2 billion worth of development over a 15-year period in the corridor.
47:36But we wanted to be um conservative, we wanted to back that up and take another look at it.
47:40So we hired MUNICAP uh corporation to come in and take a look at it.
47:44We knew that they were even more conservative.
47:47Um and so they looked at they spent about nine months, looked at every property in the corridor, looked at all of the information we gave them, and they came back and said they they felt that they could guarantee more or less that there would be at least two billion dollars worth of development in the corridor over 15-year period, which was enough uh for the projected cost of the streetcar at that time.
48:07Umce that time, we have approved in the information I gave to you earlier today, um, we've approved uh just shy of 1.3 billion dollars worth of new projects in the corridor that have been approved by the council.
48:22Um so we're actually running well ahead of even our earlier $3.2 billion projection.
48:29We're now projecting that we would see a minimum of three $3.9 billion worth of development in the corridor over a 15-year period.
48:37And so we're even running ahead of that schedule right now.
48:40We have another roughly $400 million worth of uh potential development that we are aware of that developers are working on.
48:49Um we would like to see that come in this year if we if we could, but uh we know within the next year or so we'll see that $400 million, and we know that there are projects uh being considered that we just aren't aware of.
49:02So we're in very good shape right now in conversations with the uh finance department, um, that $3.9 billion if it was uh finance as we're talking about would produce probably five hundred uh be able to support probably five hundred and fifty million dollars worth of bonds.
49:21Um you've approved up to 490 right now, 40 million of which is going to affordable housing.
49:27Um and so we we have more than enough uh projected development and revenue from that development to cover the 440 million that we um have as a cap for um expenditures for the streetcar.
49:39When you said that 490, I wanted to make sure that that included the 50 of the private placement.
49:44Yes, 440 plus the 50 of the private placement.
49:48It includes the all of the bonds that you've approved for the streetcar for mobility improvements and for affordable housing.
50:00So I just want to summarize a little bit to say that because of the I'll say tremendous savings that we could uh from Prince from interest payments of $200 million over the course of third years, the decision was made to use the different financial tool, although the the reliance, the the backfall, if you will, uh the support uh of that behind that bond will be the the city of Omaha eventually.
50:24Has have there been any discussions with our bond council to see what um what that might do to our bond rating.
50:33Oh uh Jennifer, address that Mr.
50:39Curtis and I have met with rating agencies over the last year regarding our bond rating, and they're aware of how we're financing this project and they're aware of our use of lease purchase or lease revenue bonds.
50:50Um and we have demonstrated that we have a revenue source that is dedicated to that that doesn't come from the city's general fund, uh, and they are comfortable with that explanation.
50:58We will continue to uh share information with them to ensure that this the use of this financing structure does not impact our bond rating.
51:06Uh I would also like to point out uh along the lines of the conversation you're having with Mr.
51:11Jensen that were we to actually utilize a revenue bond as opposed to this lease purchase or lease revenue bond, that revenue bond and those bondholders would actually take a pledge of all of our excess ad valorem tax revenues generated by the project, and they would be first in line, so to speak.
51:27So that those bondholders and that extra interest cost would actually take first bite of those revenues that come in, and our obligations on the existing lease purchase bonds that we have would be secondary to that, and the obligation that we have to logier on the affordable housing bond would be subordinate even to that.
51:44So if we were to pledge those revenues to a revenue bond holder, that extra seven or eight million dollars a year would be sent to them and would not be available for us to pay our existing debt on the existing lease purchase and the Logier bond that we have outstanding.
51:58So actually the taxpayers would be more at risk under that scenario than they would under this one.
52:07I guess one just one last closing, not for either of you, but um I know there I just wanted to state uh for the record, and not because of something that was said from one of the earlier testimony from those who testified earlier, but um I know there was something that uh council member Melton pointed out to me that was kind of floating around social media that said I had an equity stake in some of the properties or projects that are going on in this district.
52:32And I'll stay for the record that I do not.
52:40Uh councilmember Melton, you're recognized.
52:45Taylor, I'll just call Ms.
52:46Taylor back up since I'll let you off the hook for a minute, Steve.
52:50And I you said a lot.
52:52And so I just I just want to I just want to pull out just a couple bullet points because again, that's what I'm reading on the social media.
53:0061 comments that are tax dollars and property taxes are being used for this.
53:05So I want um I know the answer, but I'm asking you a direct question.
53:09Are any property taxes going to be used for debt service?
53:15The only revenues that are dedicated to the debt service of this instrument are the excess ad valorum taxes generated only within the district, basically tax expense financing revenues, those revenues, those private taxes paid by new development.
53:29And so not your not your everyday average taxpayer.
53:33Anyone is anybody's property taxes in District 7 going to be used for paying for the this streetcar?
53:42Um I think that would go for almost everyone except the council person that has the streetcar in their district.
53:48But the residents that aren't along the streetcar route or developing, even their tax dollars are not going to be used for correct the debt service to the streetcar.
53:59Second, um I just want to be clear.
54:01We kind of went through everything so quick.
54:04We have in there that the streetcar is going to cover is going to cost approximately 440 million dollars.
54:10That has not changed.
54:14421 million dollars, that has not changed.
54:17We have only issued bonds for approximately 130 million.
54:22We are trying to minimize those carrying and interest costs.
54:25And so what we're doing is each year we're appropriating and issuing bonds to pay for that year.
54:32We didn't just issue 421 million three years ago.
54:37So you're being fiscally responsible by waiting.
54:42We anticipate another 70 million this year.
54:45So you're issuing the bonds this year.
54:47Then next year, we're going to have another we'll just say 70 million, but it's for costs that are being incurred in the in this year.
54:56And at this point, I would assume if there are costs for this year, we've already signed the contracts and owe the money.
55:03So for anyone who says just vote no, well, then the council would be voting no in that the contractors and uh vendors, what whatnot are still gonna need to be paid, then we probably would have to use taxpayer dollars to pay them because we'd be in violation of a contract.
55:21And and I would just remind you, we've also already issued 130 million dollars of bonds that still have to be repaid.
55:26If we were to stop the project, we would not have the revenues to repay what we've already issued.
55:31And the taxpayers would then be on the hook, and they're not right now.
55:36Um, and then lastly, um, I know a lot of the work that's being done that that is very painful, but it's the reason it's taking so long, it's we're replacing um and paying for um, and when I say we the streetcar tax increment financing money that is not taxpayer money is paying for all the new utility work underneath the whole route that otherwise would be paid by MUD rate payers.
56:06Uh with the exception of the $7.6 million dollars that MUD is contributing uh from, for example, for MUD, the remaining $30 million, $35 million of work that is being done to replace utilities in the core is being paid for by the streetcar project.
56:21And so that's actually saving the ratepayers who are also taxpayers in the city of Omaha, you know, it's just uh an under MUD.
56:29So it's saving those rate payers because that the utilities are close to 100 years old.
56:33So they the work that's being done would have to be done sometime over the next 10 years along every every piece of the streetcar route because all those utilities are close to or over 100 years old.
56:45A significant portion of the utilities that are being replaced with brand new facilities were in or are in the proposed infrastructure replacement plan for the district.
56:54Um and in addition, we had two bridges.
56:56One one's already been replaced, we're in the middle of replacing the other.
56:59That's being those bridges uh have been paid for with the streetcar developers' tax increment financing, is that correct?
57:07There has been some contribution from the state to those bridges, but those bridges were also scheduled to be replaced in the next 15 years, 10 or 15 years.
57:15So again, there is a significant state taxpayer cost that is being saved through this project.
57:20So I so I I just wanted to, even if you're against the streetcar or don't like the streetcar, at least it I like to call attention to the benefits that the developers are paying for that uh we otherwise would have had to pay for anyway.
57:38Thank you very much.
57:40Councilmember Hugg, you're recognized.
57:44I don't have the years of experience my peers have because this was all kind of cast before I got on the council.
57:54So I gotta ask some questions just to kind of help work through it in my mind.
57:59So we were gonna do revenue bonds.
58:05Uh because of the rate, we're now gonna do lease purchase bonds.
58:10And and to add the little piece of information to that, in 2022, when we authorized the $360 million of revenue bonds, at that point in time, the interest rate that we were getting on, or we would have gotten on a revenue bond of that type was approximately four and a half percent.
58:26Uh at the time, uh the interest rate on a lease revenue bond in 2022 was about three and a half, four percent.
58:32So the difference that four percent, it really wasn't that much.
58:35And we were getting at that time on a revenue bond the same rate we are now getting on a lease revenue bond.
58:41Only the difference between the two instruments is significantly greater.
58:44So it made sense from a financial perspective in 2022 when we put the plan together, um, unfortunately, economies change and and things have changed, and we're faced with the interest rates we are looking at today, this is a much more fiscally responsible solution.
59:01And if I heard you correctly, answering council member Milton's question about will the taxpayers' money be used.
59:16Um is that a perfect world scenario?
59:20That is a current world scenario, and you know, pending you know, massive upheaval of things that I can't predict, I mean, things can always change.
59:30Jensen has indicated, we are currently ahead of the pace for what we need to generate in order to pay the entire debt service on this model.
59:38Um, and we are confident that we will continue to with what we know is coming, uh, more than achieve what we need to achieve in order to pay the debt service and not have any general fund revenues be dedicated to it.
1:00:00So if some unforeseen catastrophe were to happen, reoccurrence of 2020, um devastating economic downturn to where those individuals who are paying the currently paying those TIFF payments couldn't make those TIFF payments.
1:00:14Or there was a reduction in what those TIFF payments were being made.
1:00:18It's a possibility.
1:00:19I mean, I wasn't here in 1930, but I heard stories.
1:00:23So an extreme situation.
1:00:28But if we were to see a reoccurrence of a devastating economic downturn, and there wasn't revenue being generated, or there was a decline in that TIFF revenue coming in, then what would happen?
1:00:42Um then we would have to investigate how we would proceed to finish the project with the funds that we have available to us.
1:00:48I mean, I can't predict what might or might happen or what we would be faced with.
1:00:52Uh I was kind of used the example of the case.
1:00:55I can't say World War III wouldn't happen, and that would impact lots of things in our economy.
1:01:00Um, but we are comfortable in saying that we have made conservative financial analysis of this model, and the conservative financial analysis made indicates to us that we are more than comfortably able to pay this debt with the revenues that we've identified pending World War III.
1:01:20Well, I'm I'm not using World War III.
1:01:22I think that's not realistic, but unforeseen economic downturns can happen for God knows why.
1:01:30Um another 2020 could pop up right around the corner.
1:01:38But the problem I have is trying to understand other than the other than the rate difference.
1:01:44I understand there's a rate difference, but the mechanical mechanism of how a revenue bond functions compared to a lease purchase bond.
1:01:53So on in a revenue, if the money was not there, we would still be responsible.
1:02:01The city was still responsible for that shortfall.
1:02:04In a revenue bond, if the money was not there, the city would in a true revenue bond, the city would not be responsible for any shortfalls.
1:02:11And that's why the rate is higher.
1:02:13That's why there's a debt service reserve that's required, and all the things that go along with making that financial instrument far more expensive.
1:02:20And that's different from a lease purchase bond.
1:02:22Okay, so in a lease purchase bond, if the money is not there, there's a shortfall, then the city is on the hook.
1:02:30The city would be required to find some sort of other mechanism to pay that shortfall, yes.
1:02:34However, as we have indicated, just like a revenue bond, the only difference is that we're not the revenue bondholder.
1:02:40But as we've indicated, the source of revenue that we have identified is more than sufficient to pay that debt service.
1:02:49All right, thank you, Mr.
1:02:52Councilmember Milton, you're recognized.
1:02:54Just a quick follow-up on that, which I think you should add.
1:02:56Also, in the event the city were ever to have to make a debt service payment, the city also could get paid back.
1:03:03So I just wanted to follow up with that.
1:03:05That if some catastrophic 2020 happened and there was maybe a year of economic downturn and the city had to make the payments, as all economies do, they could go up and down, but some catastrophic event happened, it would the city could also be paid back when the economy came back up.
1:03:25That's a very good point.
1:03:26I just wanted to make sure that was followed up.
1:03:28And along with that point, I would also uh remind the council that we are to, you know, excess ad valorum taxes are property tax revenues that are paid by those developers.
1:03:36So, you know, of all the payments a developer has to make, their property taxes are first and foremost.
1:03:41So uh the likelihood of them not paying their property taxes is the least is the last thing they're gonna stop paying, basically at the end of the day.
1:03:49So those revenues will be generated.
1:03:55Councilmember Huggie.
1:03:57I got a rebuttal to the rebuttal.
1:04:00Acknowledging that yes, Jeffrey Lee property taxes are the first thing any responsible developer or business owner is going to pay.
1:04:10But however, if they were not to pay them, the tax foreclosure process is lengthy.
1:04:19I mean, it can be almost three years before they ever go to tax foreclosure.
1:04:23And even then, there's a length of a redemption period.
1:04:26So in theory, somebody could not pay their taxes for almost three years and pay them half an hour before the tax foreclosure sale, and they would be redeemed.
1:04:40And as council member Milton just said, uh, in that three-year period where they have to redeem that tax certificate is sold to a tax certificate buyer, that tax certificate buyer pays those taxes, and so then therefore that revenue is generated.
1:04:57No further lights.
1:05:00Item 41, an ordinance authorizing and approving a lease purchase agreement to provide funds for a parking garage at the crossroads redevelopment site in an amount not to exceed 65 million dollars lease revenue refunding bonds series 2026.
1:05:14Public public hearing is now open on item number 41.
1:05:18Are there any proponents?
1:05:24President Baglake Meters of the City Council, Jennifer Taylor, City Law Department.
1:05:28Uh I won't belabor this.
1:05:29We did discuss it briefly in pre-council.
1:05:31This uh particular bond issuance is to uh affect some refunding bonds as well as to pay for um obligated costs the city has to construct parking garages acrossroads and will be amended uh prior to the hearing next week to add an additional 25 million dollars that will satisfy the city's obligation to purchase the remaining two parking garages at Midtown Crossing, so ramps B and ramp C.
1:05:56We purchased ramp A last year for $26 million.
1:06:00The remaining two ramps will cost us approximately $25 million instead of doing a separate bond issuance for that in a month or two, we just decided to add it to this one.
1:06:10So uh we didn't have to bring another one back to you basically and to get it done now.
1:06:14We are obligated to close on those two additional ramps uh March 31st.
1:06:18I'm happy to answer any questions.
1:06:21Are there any other proponents here on excuse me, item 41?
1:06:27Seeing none, are there any opponents?
1:06:42Larry store, 5015 Lafayette Avenue, Omaha 68132.
1:06:47I'm opposed to the way this thing is written, but I'm imposed because I think we already settled this years ago, but here it is coming up again.
1:06:57If it's not your property, why are you uh wanting to build a new garage?
1:07:03Are you gonna buy the property back from the real estate guy, the guy that's also the developer?
1:07:09And he also got the TIFF.
1:07:12There's already a garage out there, why don't we use it?
1:07:17That how long was that lot set out there with nothing being done?
1:07:24Now you're gonna lease something back and pay again?
1:07:28I've got a better idea if one's to use the garage that's on the corner of 72nd and Cass Street.
1:07:36It's a large garage, you can run the buses through there and pick up the homeless people.
1:07:41You can let the homeless people stay in there.
1:07:44You can let the county use their social services offices to meet with families and uh young offenders and uh all those programs that you have in Omaha right there in that large garage that you're not using for anything.
1:08:00Now you want to build a new one, but don't you have to buy the lot back or buy the property back somehow?
1:08:06I thought this was all settled with a combination.
1:08:10Real estate guy, uh developer, construction guy, they're all three.
1:08:16A lot of them are all three.
1:08:18I thought this was settled.
1:08:20Why is it not settled?
1:08:22This is not our property now.
1:08:24But if it is, use the garage you got.
1:08:27Stop spending my tax dollars.
1:08:31Are there any other opponents?
1:08:39Uh good afternoon, Omaha City Council, Donnie R.
1:08:42Johnson at Johnson Equestion Foundation, North No How Concerned Citizen Foundation, and 4928 North 52nd Street.
1:08:50I'd like to rebuttal what Mr.
1:08:51Larry just said because I understand what the city is doing.
1:08:55I looked at the garage many years at Down Cass, it's collapsing, and the people who in the industry are the new training system gets started.
1:09:02People may come from West Omaha and park their electrical cars in this new garage that which makes sense.
1:09:07I sometimes we ask ourselves are these old buildings gonna handle all the new system?
1:09:12And they're right, moving that out and putting in another system in there because they park the electrical cargo in there, jump on the bus or whatever in that train.
1:09:20My theory is that since they're gonna be making so much money, can you lower the sales tax on automobile for senior citizen and increase the will tax and give us a refund on a tax tobacco tobacco people again?
1:09:33Too much for tax money.
1:09:34Are there any other opponents here on item 41?
1:09:40Luis Man is 2709 Dewey Avenue?
1:09:44There's uh two points I like to make is uh this is I think analogous uh and and analogous to the way that development is done in Omaha, it's an open promise and a uh then uh under delivery.
1:10:00Is uh this is I think analogo and and analogous to the way that development is done in Omaha, it's an over promise and a uh then uh under delivery and so I with this garage uh uh or are the the the these parking garage purchases is it because uh you're rescuing uh midtown uh and then if you're doing that then how come the uh the public uh public build building commission, how come they can't come in in here too and uh work with you to get these uh parking garages.
1:10:41Cohen said they're not going to be uh purchasing any more uh parking garages.
1:10:46Is it is it like against state law, is it policy?
1:10:50Are you guys not willing to work with them about it?
1:10:53Um so I think that uh this is not explained here, and if it's not any of that, is it because this is gonna be an asset uh along the streetcar route?
1:11:06And if it is, it's not well explained on the agenda.
1:11:12And if it if it's an asset for the streetcar.
1:11:16Uh I had another thought on this, but th those are my two points.
1:11:24Are there any other opponents here today?
1:11:26Item 41 seeing none, public hearing is closed.
1:11:31Council member Melton, you're recognized.
1:11:35If you could just come back up.
1:11:38I'm gonna repeat myself, you know.
1:11:40Um for Jennifer Taylor, City Law Department.
1:11:42For first of all, for parking garages, again, their revenue bonds, uh lease purchase revenue bonds, and currently all the money then is generated from the leasing of the spots in the garage or the people who pay to park there.
1:11:58And the debt service on those bonds that are associated with parking facilities are are paid for through the enterprise fund for the the parking enterprise fund.
1:12:05You you actually you you knew what question I was gonna ask.
1:12:07Um the debt service is made through the enterprise fund, therefore Mr.
1:12:10Storr's tax dollars are not being used to pay for this.
1:12:13It's the leases on the garages.
1:12:16That money is a separate fund, it does not go into the general fund.
1:12:19Um, and currently we've been positive uh I mean we we've never been negative, I think, in Park Omaha in that enterprise fund.
1:12:27At least for the last several uh for several years, yes.
1:12:30So um, and I noticed here I I just wanted to be sure we're actually basically we're refinancing bonds because it was we had previously issued it looks like fifty-three million for the Omaha baseball stadium funds.
1:12:48We have 40 million outstanding from 2016.
1:12:52So basically, are we getting a better rate?
1:12:57Curtis answer the refunding question.
1:13:00Steve Curtis City financing.
1:13:01Generally, what you're doing is taking the uh if you think of the term of a 30-year bond, and you have a number of them out there at four or five percent, as it gets closer in, you can knock those down to our percent or two.
1:13:14In this case, it saves us about three million dollars on a one-time basis.
1:13:18And that's what the majority is.
1:13:19I mean, we were talking about crossroads, but really the the amount we're issuing in bonds for crossroads is very small because this is just to acquire the property.
1:13:28This isn't we've already acquired the property.
1:13:30This is kind of again, much like the streetcar and and we do with other projects, we are tranching this.
1:13:35So there will be another issuance of lease purchase bonds later on in the year.
1:13:39Okay, but uh like I said, we're doing the midtown crossing as part of this one as well, so that we're essentially putting everything together in one, so we don't do another one for about six months.
1:13:47I was just noting when we're talking about 60, 40 million is getting a better interest, we're getting a better interest rate on 40 million of bonds that we already have.
1:13:56That was the they were done in 2016, and then for at least police and fire projects, we have a remaining four uh around four million left, and so basically we're getting a better percentage interest rate on on those bonds.
1:14:12So the majority of these bonds actually is for 2016 bonds that we're just getting a better interest rate on.
1:14:19Those are refunding bonds, correct.
1:14:20And then there is the the amount of money that'll be dedicated towards the building of the park parking garage across, which we have already obligated to do, and then it will be increased by 25 million dollars to account for the money that we need to purchase those two remaining ramps at midtown crossing, pursuant to the purchase agreement that we approved uh year and a half ago in July of 24.
1:14:42We've already entered into that contract.
1:14:44And so now we're just now we're getting and actually I think it looks like some of the interest rates have gone down, so now's probably a good time.
1:14:52I would much rather be doing this now than a year ago.
1:15:30Motion passed six to zero.
1:15:32Meeting is adjourned at three fourteen dollars.