The council will not begin consideration of any item on the agenda later than 10 p.m.

unless there's consideration to it is approved.

You could just call the meeting to order and we'll get started.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Clark.

Um I'll call the meeting to order.

Um we'll start off with the Pledge of Allegiance, and Mayor Smith is not here, so Mayor Pro Tem, please stand.

I pledge allegiance.

Okay.

Let's see.

A motion to approve the agenda.

So moved.

Second.

Second.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um I'm going to be doing some presentations on you want to call the vote or just have the voice vote.

I mean a voice vote.

Yeah, voice vote.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Thank you.

No, none.

Thank you.

I'm going to go ahead and uh talk about the mayor's proclamation with Jacob's heart.

I think someone's here for Jacob's heart.

Maybe I'll do this.

There it is.

There we go.

It's working.

Good.

Um is someone here from Jacob's Heart.

Not yet.

Not yet.

Not yet.

Okay.

Do you want to do the others first?

Maybe I'll go ahead and do the others first.

I'll do the uh mayor's proclamation on the county of Monterey Board of Supervisors establishing the third Tuesday of September as the National Voter Registration Day, whereas the County of Monterey is committed to encouraging board voter registration access and citizen participation in elections among voting eligible citizens, and whereas the county of Monterey recognizes that many Americans are not able to vote because they miss a registration deadline, do not update their registration information, or are unfamiliar on how to register.

Whereas the County of Monterey recognizes the challenge that many Americans face in their everyday lives that may impede their abilities to register to vote, and whereas the County of Monterey recognizes the need for diverse partners such as nonprofits, libraries, businesses, college, and universities, and more to work in the communities they serve to register for citizens to the vote, whereas the need for reliable and trusted public information and education on voter registration is critical to Americans' active participation in elections and the integrity of the electoral processes.

Therefore, I says Nick Smith, but I am Mayor Pro Tem Joe Emilio of the City of Pacific Grove.

Do hereby declare that the third Tuesday of every September as National Voter Registration Day in commitment to joining national efforts to support voter registration and participation.

And I do want to recognize Sandra for doing so much on the voter registration.

Thank you.

And is there anybody here?

Okay.

This is the Hispanic Heritage Month, whereas each year the physical federal, state, and local governments observe Hispanic Heritage Month from September 15th to October 15th by recognizing and celebrating the histories, cultures, and contributions of American citizens whose ancestors come from Spain, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central and Central America.

Whereas September 15th is designation is significant as a starting date for Latino Heritage Month because of its anniversary of independence for the Latin American countries of Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua.

In addition, Mexico and Chile celebrate their independence on September 16th and September 18th, respectively, and Columbus Day or Dia de la Raza, which is October 12th, falls within the 38th period.

Whereas Hispanics and Latinos are the largest of the ethnic group in the state of California and at 18.5% of the United States population make up the largest ethnic or race minority group in America.

Whereas Hispanics, Latinos have and continue to serve as civil rights leaders, educators, public servants, business owners, activists, artists, colleagues, friends, and much more in our community and across the world.

The values, service to others, nonviolence, acceptance of all people, respect for life in the environment and celebrating community are also America's values, and whereas Hispanics and Latinos continue to nourish our nation's character, shape our common future, and affirm the narrative of the American unity and progress in whereas National Hispanic Heritage Month, we celebrate Hispanic culture, honor the invaluable ways of Hispanic contribution to our common goals, and work together toward a stronger, more inclusive, more prosperous society for all.

Whereas the City of Pacific Grove Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Task Force recommends proclamation of the Hispanic Heritage Month each year.

Now, therefore, I Joe Emilio, Mayor Pro TAM of Pacific Grove, do hereby proclaim September 15th, 2025 through October 15th, Hispanic Heritage Month, and encourage all citizens to recognize the significance of Hispanic Heritage and history of our nation and city.

And we have someone from it doesn't appear so um Mayor Pratem, so I would just proceed with the meeting if you okay this is a proclamation honoring Jacob's Heart of a Children's Center Cancer Support Services and declaring September 25th as childhood cancer awareness month in the city of Pacific Row.

Whereas the character of our community is revealed in how we treat our most voice vulnerable in, whereas each year 19.2 in every 100,000 children in our community will be diagnosed with cancer.

And whereas cancer remains the leading cause of death by disease among children, more than asthma, diabetes, cystic fibrosis, congenial anomalies, and AIDS combined, and whereas Jacob's heart has been keeping medically fragile children and families housed, fed, and emotionally supported by steadfastly adhering to the following community commitments.

Parents of children with cancer and other serious illnesses will be relieved of financial fears and able to focus attention for in their children.

No child seriously ill, children will not experience food insecurity during and after the pandemic, and no child seriously ill in our child in our community will ever miss a medical appointment because of lack of transportation.

Whereas Jacob's Heart holds the memories and honors legacies of hundreds of children from local community who have been lost to cancer, ensuring that their memories will live forever.

Whereas the oncology department of the Lucille Packard Children's Hospital at Stanford has worked closely with Jacob's Heart for the past 27 years as trusted community partner, providing family-centered care with that addresses the emotional, practical and financial struggles for families of children with cancer in the city of Pacific Grove, and whereas it is important for all Pacific Coast City residents to recognize the impact of pediatric cancer on families within our family in our community and honor the children in our community whose lives have been cut short by cancer.

Now, therefore, I mayor pro tem Joe Emilio of the City of Pacific will hereby declare September 25th as Child Cancer Awareness Month in the City of Pacific Grove and do hereby honor Jacob's Heart Children's Cancer Support Services for their outstanding support to our community and acknowledge the organizational contributions to childhood cancer awareness monthly agenda.

I just turned them on.

Okay.

Um is there um any general public comment?

Yes, ma'am.

Could you did you want to report out?

Oh wait, yeah, hold on one second here.

Skip one.

Thank you, Mr.

Pearrett.

I'd like to read a little bit.

Okay.

Um staff announcements.

Um Mr.

Morgan.

I think we should start with the city attorney.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, sorry.

Um I'd like to report that uh we had a closed session earlier this evening, two of them actually, and um there's no reportable action from either of those items.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Bureck.

And uh Mr.

Moglinson, do you have anything?

Mr.

Mayor, yeah, I or Mr.

Mayor Patin, apologize.

Uh one update for the council.

We just got a letter today from the make sure I get the agency correct.

State Historic Resources Commission.

So the um Chautauqua Hall project that council authorized money for for us to pursue a historic designation.

It was been put on their agenda.

So on November 7th at 10 a.m.

they'll consider Chautauqua Hall for historic um designation.

So that's um good news that that is moving along, and I'm sure we'll we'll talk to the the um our historical commission and we'll make sure that they are aware as well.

So you can zoom in, I'm sure, so watch the meeting and respect it.

And that's gonna be on uh November 7th, November 7th at 10 a.m.

Okay.

Um let's see.

How about the council?

Does anybody have any um comments?

Everybody okay?

Okay.

Go on and move on with the uh general uh public comment again.

Uh does anybody have any general public comment that uh on items that are not on the agenda.

Hello evening.

Uh my name is Susan Goldbeck, and I've been a resident of Pacific Grove for over 30 years, was on the city council and the planning commission.

I used to own the town newspaper, the beacon, and recently I've put a version of it abbreviated online.

I get asked all the time how it's doing.

Well, it's struggling because it's very hard for me to do it all.

We are getting some volunteers and we sure need some more.

Um the reason I wanted to talk to you at the council meeting every time is so that people will start getting online and reading what the council does, what the planning commission does, and what have you.

It's originally the people we had doing the beacon were volunteers and they really didn't know how to do the technological things, and I certainly don't know how to do it.

So now we have a guy that's trying to bring it up to date.

And so if you want to read it, it's gonna be at Pacific Grove Beacon.com.

And if you put news after it, it'll come up at the top of the list.

Otherwise, you get the drug rehab house, the beacon house.

So, you know, I've been working so hard, I may need the latter pretty soon.

But anyway, I hope people will support this because I really don't think that you can have uh an active and vital town without a newspaper.

And um, I beg everyone to read it to contribute to it.

We have a contribution supporters wall.

I'm certainly not getting paid anything.

And with so far, um, we have had some people, but we can use more.

So and volunteers, yes, indeed.

Thank you very much.

Thank you for your comment or the yes, yes, ma'am.

Hi uh, I look forward to reading that Mayor Potem, Council members, city staff.

Uh it's good to be here.

My name is Jasmine Venegas, and I am PGE's government relations representative for the Central Coast Division, which includes Monterey County and all of the cities within it.

I am the point of contact for elected officials and staff members.

I've been in my role for under a year and I've had the opportunity to meet with a few of you, including city staff, specifically administration and public works.

Essentially, think of me as a resource.

If you have a question about anything related to PGE, I am responsible for finding the information you need or connecting you with the right person.

That said, one of the main roles I play is updating you if we have significant power outages that impact uh the community here.

You can and should reach out to me for updates in these types of situations.

I am happy to help.

Uh I know that fire risk is of great concern to the community in Pacific Grove, and it is something that we at PGE take very seriously.

I would like to share a few updates as we enter peak wildfire season across our system.

Across our system, we have hardened over 2,000 miles of electric distribution power lines, including undergrounding, over 960 miles since we launched our 10,000 mile undergrounding program in 2021.

We will complete almost a thousand more miles of undergrounded or covered power lines by the end of 2026.

We have dramatically improved how we inspect our power lines and equipment using drones and advanced imaging so that we can find and fix conditions before they fail.

We've implemented layers of protection with a focus on fail-safe capacity as part of our wildfire risk mitigation approach.

There have been no major wildfires caused from our equipment in 2023, 2024, and so far in 2025.

As you know, a major component of our wildfire mitigation plan is vegetation management.

In this area of Pacific Grove, we regularly field all high vegetation locations, including George Washington, Rip Van Winkle, and Del Monty Parks.

We maintain clearance across all high voltage conductors, and our clearance requirement is 18 inches at all times with uh throughout the year.

If there's interest, I'd be happy to come back at a future meeting to share a more detailed update.

And finally, if you have time in the coming months, it would be great to meet in person.

You will find my phone number in my email signature.

Don't hesitate to reach out, and I look forward to working with you.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Is there anybody else that would like to uh speak?

Yes.

Hi everyone.

Um sorry, I have a brain injury, so I'm gonna try to be within three minutes.

Um City Council members, um, my name is Rivka Revivo, and um I've been a proud resident of Pacific Grove for about 10 years.

Um, I'm here as a follow-up to a letter I wrote about a month ago regarding a public safety issue that needs to be addressed swiftly.

Um, as many residents have noticed, there's been a significant rise in the use of e-bikes across the Pacific Grove and Monterey communities.

E-bike rentals support local businesses, encourage tourism, and provide a more environmentally friendly uh means for transportation.

However, uh, these e-bikes are not closely regulated in our communities.

Um, they top out at about 28 miles per hour, and these e-bikes present a significant public safety issue.

Inexperienced e-bikers uh on the recreational trail have been known to speed through areas with dense foot traffic, striking or nearly missing pedestrians and other cyclists without close monitoring.

Uh, these bikes can cause severe injuries or in extreme cases, fatalities.

Um, accidents happen all the time on the recreational trail.

In fact, the cyclist hit me back um in July while I was walking on the recreational trail.

My injuries would have been exponentially worse had the cyclist been on an e-bike instead of a non-motorized vehicle or non-motorized bicycle.

I understand that the Pacific Grove Municipal Code dictates speed limits for e-bikes on the recreational trail.

However, there is no um, to my knowledge, no monitoring to ensure compliance with these rules.

In fact, over the recent Labor Day weekend, I did not observe any police or code enforcement on the recreational trail to ensure that the top speeds were not exceeded.

Um we don't post speed limits for cars without monitoring that.

So why would we do that for e-bikes or other kinds of bicycles?

So my recommendation is to prioritize monitoring of the recreational trail to ensure that Pacific Grove is safe for all.

I appreciate your uh consideration and your time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um I just wondered, Mr.

Who should she contact on something like that?

Uh thank you, Ms.

Ranna Pratem.

Um, I've noted um her name and her her the content of her of our discussion.

She's also emailed us, so we are following with the police chief on the topic.

And um we'll be able to follow up you directly offline as well.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, now we're gonna go on to the consent agenda.

Um, yeah, online public comment.

Do we have any thank you, uh Mayor Pro Tem.

Sharon Miller.

Good evening.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed, I'm Sharon Miller from Pacific Grove, and I'm also from the League of Women Voters of Monterey County.

The league would like to say that they appreciate very much the council's calling attention to National Voter Registration Day with this evening's proclamation.

On that day, which this year falls on Tuesday, September 16th, local league members will be registering voters at the PG post office from 10 to noon, the PG meeting house coffee shop from noon to two, and the PG library from two to four.

If you need to register or update your registration, or if you have related questions, please drop by one of our tables.

Pass the word to friends and family.

A current voter registration ensures that you will receive the right mail-in ballot for the November 4th election.

That could save you time and possibly frustration.

Thanks again.

And remember, September 16th is National Voter Registration Day.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anybody else online?

Uh yes, uh, Mayor Patomi have two more.

Um Inga Lawrence and Dimer.

Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tam and Council um and staff here.

I sincerely hope that the meeting minutes absolutely reflect that the meeting was not called to order at six, but at 616.

And then I would like to ask if um our city manager could post somehow not on social media, but in a news blast, uh, the meeting that um is for the November 7th agenda for uh Chautauqua Hall.

I would very much appreciate being able to see details, Zoom details for that meeting.

I would appreciate that.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Is there anybody else?

Uh hi.

Yes, we have uh Anthony Ciani and one more caller after.

Okay, thank you.

Good evening, counsel.

I just want to echo the comments by the woman uh expressing the concern about the e-bikes um and the speed on the recreation trail, but also on the other trails on the roads.

Sometimes they're in gangs.

I don't mean that in a negative way, but they're grouped together.

I think because of commercial enterprise, uh, and they are speeding on the roads beyond the speed limit in these large groups of people, but on the rec trail, especially in the shaded area of Berwook Park where it's curvilinear.

Um, I've noticed there difficulty looking both ways two or three times, trying to avoid being run over by e-bikes, uh, which are speeding.

And I have not seen any enforcement.

So that's why I'm echoing this comment.

And while you're at it, how about just bicycle speeding on the rec trail?

Thank you so much for your consideration.

Thank you.

Um is there any another caller?

Yes, one more.

Uh Lisa Ciani.

Hi, thank you.

Um our Red Trail is such an incredible resource.

It's just phenomenal.

The opportunities it gives so many uh residents and visitors to experience the shoreline, you know, while walking or riding their bikes or whatever in and increase dramatically increasingly.

It's now e-bikes, e-scooters, e what do you skateboards, e everything.

Um I am on the rec trail regularly because I monitor black oyster catchers and because I love walking there.

Um the it is extraordinarily distressing and scary what the situation is like down in there now.

Uh there are kids on e-bikes that are doing wheelies and and yeah, just all and waving back and forth over the walking part of the trail and and the um motor, no, not motorized, the the um vehicle part of the trail.

And lately, what I've been seeing is these three or four kids on on e-bikes who are starting up on the grass in Berwick Park and coming tearing down the bank and across the walking trail and riding trail and and up on the coastal side of the trail, and then going back and doing it over uh and over.

Um it's just it's just a matter uh of time until more people get hurt.

And um and really I can't, I don't know how this can be monitored except with a police officer on a e-bike themselves.

I uh there's no way to see them to catch them.

I mean they just go zipping by by me.

Um so anyway, I I really urge you to get this situation under control.

This is such an amazing resource, and it's become uh just really really dangerous.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anybody else online?

Uh uh we have one more caller.

Um Jane Haynes.

I'll be fast, but I I just want to express my sincere appreciation for four things the city did for me this week.

Um the first was Sandra.

I mean, you all know how wonderful she is, but I couldn't download an agenda report.

And I called her, said Sandra, I can't download any of this thing.

She said, come by.

Can you hear me?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

She said, come by at 1245.

That's her lunch time.

Uh I did go by a little before 1245.

The door was locked.

I sat outside, 1245.

She comes out and she gets me, she shows me how to download the the agenda report.

It's just like Sandra.

You you all of you know or know that.

Second thing that happened to me was the agenda report itself.

It was by uh a C D D staff member, I don't know, but his name is Garrett McCown, and it was superb report.

And I want to read you just one sentence.

It said the application included two phase one historic reports prepared by May Clovis in May 2025 and Kent City in May 2025.

I mean, that's evidence-based expression.

And it was just I I just admire the quality of the report.

And so I want to, I don't know, Garrett McConn, but I commend him for uh an outstanding report.

Third thing that happened was really a surprise.

Um I almost didn't send us in a suggestion.

I have.

I thought it was a good suggestion, but I thought, oh, they'll just say there she goes again.

No, I did send in the suggestion.

Joas Hallib Joyce Hallaby wrote me an email that said, thank you for taking the time to send us that suggestion.

Oh my gosh.

Um anyway, I appreciated that.

And then finally, there was a council member who did the same thing.

The council member wrote and said that was a great suggestion.

So I just want to say thank you.

And I so much appreciate that kind of appreciation uh from the council.

That's all.

Thanks.

Okay, thank you, Miss Haynes.

Um further callers.

No further comments.

Okay.

Okay.

Um consent item, uh consent agenda.

Uh could I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

We'll approval.

Second.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh all those in favor?

Um is there anybody in the public that wishes to pull a consent item?

I do have a hand raised online, uh, Mayor Patem.

Carol Marcoard.

Okay.

Yeah.

Mayor, um, I I might have missed that.

Um did you just a moment ago ask for approval of the consent agenda?

Was that the no?

I I asked for general public comment.

No, but I thought that there was something you just voted on.

Did I yeah, consent agenda we did?

Okay.

So my suggestion is that we allow before you vote on the consent agenda that we allow public comments.

Okay.

So let's try to figure out how to um address that.

Why don't we do a motion withdrawing the approval of the consent agenda?

I understand it's a little clunky, but let's do that, get that off the record.

Then let's take public comment and then uh uh uh on uh public you know that then you can ask the public if that they want to pull an agenda item and then you vote on it.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um so go to public comment.

Public comment.

No vote on that.

Did they just did you just vote on that?

I didn't vote on it.

Oh, we there was no vote.

Now we now we have to go to public comment on consent agenda.

Uh-huh.

Oh, okay.

There's a roll call, uh rule call withdrawing the vote.

We don't take a vote on the withn we never took a vote.

Okay.

Do uh Sandra take the vote on it.

There's a motion to approve the consent agenda, but it wasn't voted on.

And then uh uh Mayor Patem asked for uh if anybody wanted anybody wanted to pull it up.

Okay, then I misunderstood.

I apologize.

So now where we are is see if anybody from the public wants to pull an item or if anybody from the council wants to pull an item, and then you can vote on the consent agenda.

Does anybody in the public wish to pull a consent item?

I don't see anyone in in person, but I do have a hand raised online.

Uh Carol Marcourt, do you wish to pull something from the consent agenda?

Hi, uh council person Joe Emilio.

I mean I I really had my hand up for the public comment.

I don't know why Sandra didn't see it, but I have a new Zoom program.

I don't know what the reason was.

May I make a public comment or is it too late?

Um it's not too late.

Thank you very much.

Um I as I said, I just refreshed my Zoom program.

Um I you know, I I don't understand why we're spending 10 minutes on special DEI programs or nonprofits, or you know, I'm all for it, but I want you to spend 10 minutes on other ethnic groups and other gender sexual identities.

I want 10 minutes for people with disabilities.

I want 10 minutes for one our wonderful new business, um, the lighthouse cinema, and 10 minutes for the grill at Point Lobos.

Um there's golfers out there, there's people that love to eat there.

They're closing down in November because the city is charging them $15,000 a month, and they cannot afford it.

They've done many repairs on the bathrooms, they employ 25 different people, they have greens keepers, they do with athletic programs.

Please can we get this on the agenda for October?

Because we don't want to see the point lobos grill go down the tubes.

Uh and please, golfers and people who eat, take and take notice of this.

It's important.

Thank you.

Okay, is there anybody else on the uh no further comment?

Uh public comment, uh Mayor, and I would just Mayor Patem, I would just suggest that you close public comment.

Okay, thank you.

I'm gonna close public comment and we'll go back to the consent agenda.

Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

I did.

Yes, yeah.

Nobody responded on pulling any items, so move to looking for a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Okay, second okay.

All those in favor?

I am okay.

Good.

Okay, we're gonna move to um 11a Central Grand and Fountain Avenue Street Improvement Project.

Uh Mr.

Go.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem Amelio, members of the city council.

Let me load this up here.

I have a brief presentation on this item today.

Um very pleased to be bringing this forward to you today, which is the Central Grand Fountain Avenue Street Improvement Project.

So here's our current configuration.

It's much bigger on the screen, I'm looking at Central Avenue, as you can see at the intersection of Fountain is just a sea of asphalt.

Nobody knows what to do when they get there, right?

It's confusing.

And then you go past the library and the new Kimpton Hotel to Central, and you have Grand Avenue with this wide sweeping corner.

I presented this to the city council back in June, if you recall.

Okay, so the Central Avenue Fountain and Grand Intersections, the intersection of Central and Grand and Fountain need to be reconfigured per the conditions of the approvals for the new Kempton Hotel.

The city has worked with the developer and engineered plans to make a four-way stop at fountain, which will be a huge improvement and improved pedestrian safety at Grand Avenue.

At the June 4th, 2025 City Council meeting, which I just alluded to, council approved the plans to reconfigure the intersections and also then to construct a bull out at Grand and Central instead of raised crosswalks.

Raised crosswalks were noticed in the architectural use permit that which was approved in 2018.

And don't quote me on it, but I believe again in 2022 when the hotel was transferred to Kempton.

When I brought this forward to you at the June 4th meeting, I talked about the raised crosswalk.

We looked at it, we um discussed it me and the engineering team and determined that a bull out would be better because that raised crosswalk was supposed to go up Grand Avenue.

It didn't really meet the purpose.

Plus, I was concerned about putting a raised crosswalk on Central Avenue with all the special events we have there and so on and so forth.

The road closures, the farmers market, that type of thing.

So we've created a bullbout, and I'm gonna go back to my previous slide because I want to show you this right now.

You can see the bullbout on grand.

So what we're doing with that is we're greatly reducing the crossing times across Central Avenue at Grand.

And then we're going to, I was just talking to our engineering staff today.

We'll install a crosswalk then also basically, which would be from the northwest corner of where the library is across to the new hotel.

You don't see it on this plan set, but we're gonna also put a crosswalk in at that location.

That bull out's gonna slow traffic, it's gonna really create a much happier pedestrian zone.

Okay, so per council direction, we issued a request for proposals on July 3rd, and we received four bids.

Um, it was a pretty successful um RFP.

Monterey Peninsula Engineering's been qualified as the lowest responsible bidder at $657,000.

That includes more than just the intersections, though.

It includes the four-way stop intersection at Fountain and Central, that bullbout, and all of those other ADA ramps.

Um, 1,650 square feet of new sidewalk, again, all the ramps, and over 26,000 square feet of new roadway.

So that's where that's the expensive part of the project, right?

Is the roads that wasn't part of that condition 11 of the architectural use permit.

That's something we feel needs to be done.

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but like the PCI on central was in the teens.

It's crumbling, it's failing in front of the library.

If we're gonna go in there and do this work, now's the time to make those improvements on the roadway.

And I believe we found the funding.

Now we'll get to that.

So again, here's the plan set.

As you can see, all the new sidewalk is.

Okay, so here's how we're gonna fund the project with your approval.

You set an initial budget of 270,000 in fiscal year 2425 to begin this process.

We've engineered it, we've designed it, we've obtained the coastal development permit because Central Avenue is in the coastal zone.

Um we've requested to make up the Delta $315,811 of regional surface transportation funding.

So program funding, RSTP, which is administered through the transportation agency of Monterey County.

That's our fair share allocation.

Basically, we had that sitting in the bank for them at their August 27th board meeting.

They allocated that money towards this project.

It's perfect example, transportation project for these types of use.

The developer will contribute $86,976.

I broke it out, worked with the developer.

That's the sidewalk work.

That's the curb ramp work, that's the road markings, and kind of like everything minus the paving for the most part, but 25% of it.

Again, it's only 25% that they need to pay of that.

So then the remaining balance, we have a delta of $124,000 that needs we need to come up with.

So we have Measure X money sitting in our fiscal year 24-25 street rehab project.

I did something similar right here for the sidewalk project, which you guys approved at the last city council meeting.

We're requesting that money from Measure X sitting in the road rehab project be transferred.

Now, not all that is anticipated to be used.

That's going to be for the contingency with Monterey Peninsula Engineering, and then to have our engineering firm, Neil Engineering can conduct and over like see any engineering questions that happen during construction.

It's contingency money for the most part, minus about $25,000.

So what we don't use of that will roll back into the street rehab project.

Now we've basically have engineered the street rehab project to about 90% design.

We're looking at 1.2 million dollars for the roadways that we're going to be rehabbing with that project, which is beacon, an alley, and 19th Street.

That will be coming back at a future city council meeting.

So we should still have enough to do the street rehab, even if we used all of the 120,000 that we're requesting to transfer, which it's the same purpose, the same funds.

It's still being held in like fund 63 and fund 17.

So our finance can department can just roll it into this project instead of um it sitting in being unused for street rehab.

So that's my request tonight.

So tonight I'm requesting the city attorney to read the title of the ordinance, the title of the proposed ordinance.

The ordinance is to accept the RSTP funding, the $315,000.

That's not allocated in our budget.

It's not allocated as a revenue, it's not allocated as an expense.

So it needs to be brought into our budget via ordinance.

Motion for the city attorney to waive further reading.

You guys know how that goes.

And then introduce and hold the first reading of the ordinance amendment and then direct summary of the proposed ordinance.

And then accept the payment by the Kipton Hotel developers in an amount of $86,976 per condition of 11 of the architectural and use permit that can be harnessed for these street improvements, and then authorized the agreement with Monterey Peninsula Engineering for Central Grand and Fountain Avenue Street Improvement Project for an amount not to exceed 60 657,634 plus a 10% contingency.

I know we need two reads before this could be done officially.

We hope to get going October 1st.

We want to get this done prior to the hotel opening up and the rainy season.

This is a paving and sidewalk project.

We have no underground, but there's going to be disturbances.

We're grinding out all of central, most of Grand Fountains and Overlay.

That concludes my report.

I know it was a lot.

I'm here for questions.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Goh.

Before we bring it back to the council, do we have any public comments?

I may be clueless, Daniel, but I don't know what a ball out is.

And I also don't know what a PGI is.

So I'd appreciate it if you let us know.

And I'd all had one other question, which was you said you wanted to get this work done before the rainy season.

When do you think projected it'll be done?

That's it.

Yeah.

Thank you.

We'll address it.

Thank you.

Any other public comment?

Anyone online?

Yes, Mayor Pratime.

Inga Lawrence and Dimer.

Okay.

Thank you, Sandra.

Um, I still have questions.

Uh, because yes, this is all about the funding, which is ah, very creative, Dan Gogh.

Um, and of course, this project has to move forward because it's untenable as it is with um, I mean, the hotel has done more disruptions to library service through with road closures anyway.

I mean, it's been it's been pretty bad for a handicapped person getting into the library.

Um, and I still want to know where uh this is going to have the book drop.

Uh all these other logistical things that of course are not part of this funding, but um obviously this has to be done, and we certainly want to open this hotel.

It's caused us enough grief.

So thank you very much.

Thank you.

Is there anybody else online?

Uh yes, Alice Ciani.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, this is uh obviously it's a very important intersection in in PG or a couple of intersections.

Um I did hear Dan say I because uh Central Avenue is in the coastal zone, and all of the coastal zone is an archaeologically sensitive area.

And I heard Dan say something about there wouldn't be any undergrounding, but there would be disturbance uh um and uh it would seem that it would be more than a foot in depth.

Um so that would require um tribal monitoring, and I would like to know I would like assurance that tribal monitoring will be provided by the city, provided for.

And I'd I'd like to know how the city is determining selecting whether they uh will use the Loney Coast No and Esselin Nation tribal monitors or the um Esselin tribe tribal monitors, um, since both of those have expressed um interest and concerns um in PGE and consultation.

Uh I'd like to know that that uh the work is being divided, city work is being divided um equitably between those two tribes.

Thank you.

No further hands, Mayor Pratam.

Okay, thank you, Sandra.

Um I think it's an excellent project.

I'll start it off.

And um, thank you, Mr.

Goh, for an excellent presentation, and I'm gonna bring it back to the council, the rest of the council.

Uh while we go with uh councilman member Rao and then ex age bookie.

Uh as someone who's driven this intersection for the last, I'm just gonna say 45 years because I don't want to really tell you how long it's been.

Uh this is a welcome change.

This has been a problematic uh intersection for as long as I can remember since I was 16 driving, and uh I can't uh wait for it to get done.

So uh I appreciate the creative uh financing and the detail of the report.

Uh so I thank you, Mr.

Gh for that.

I'm in support of the project and ready to make a motion if but yes, Council.

Um, so I was on council when this project was initially approved, and one of the bonuses was that we were going to finally be able to fix that intersection uh before anyone died.

Um, this is people scamper across that, they don't know what to do, they don't know where to go, and that one lane coming at you that doesn't stop confuses everyone.

So turning this into a four-way stop with some traffic smoothing um and slowing bull belts is a brilliant thing.

And thank you for getting rid of the um raised crosswalks.

Having driven a low slunk car, um, they're real hard, and it's real bad for bikes too.

So I think uh coming up with another solution, um, although it costs maybe a little bit more, was a really smart idea.

So um the continuing attention to getting it done right is much appreciated.

I do have a question about what happens to the farmer's market um during all this.

Of course, council member Garfield, I have spoken to Maris and her last name slipping my mind, um, who runs everyone's harvest.

And we anticipate minimal disruption because we're doing all the external work, like along the sidewalks and everything, they should still be able to have their Monday afternoon farmers market.

Maybe we have to shift them one way or another a little bit, and then we'll just time the major paving around them.

Yeah, that's my anticipation.

Yet to be determined though, we will meet with the contractor and lay out some of these constraints.

Thank you.

I appreciate the flexibility.

Anyone else?

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Uh, a couple of interesting uh questions were brought up.

Um was uh in regards to how deep we were going to be going.

You had said that you were going to grind that area out.

My question would then be are we uh planning on penetrating the uh uh the profile of the the man-made materials in the area, or are we just basically doing like a kind of a deep resurfacing?

Are we going to be digging down into soil?

Like what's our what's our penetration in the affected area?

We don't anticipate going much farther than the base fill that's already existing.

Okay, and to answer the the question that was brought up by Miss Ciani, um we will have archaeological and tribal monitors present during any excavation of subsoils, which is basically below existing pavement and base fill.

So some some of that demos of the sidewalks would trigger and the curb ramps because you got to go deeper to set your forms, but typically for roadway reconstruction, no.

Okay.

Yes.

Uh second question that I thought was interesting is uh do you have a projected uh finish date on the project if you get going on October 1st?

Um I try to pull up the technical specifications that list the days allowed for the project, and I believe it was like 70 working days, though I anticipate it being done much sooner than that.

Um 70 days from October 1st would be just into the beginning of December time frame, right?

Around then.

So I hope to be done, but let's be but that's also the striping and you know the markings on the roadway and all that type of stuff.

Sure.

So that that takes a let the pavement cure for a week or so before you even come back to do that.

So there's seven to ten days just right there.

So with the temporary markings.

Got it.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Yes.

Thanks, Catholic.

Councilmember Walking Stick for addressing a couple of those.

And then just because we also had the question about describing the bull out and the PCI, just so that's um available for people.

A bull belt is basically like a sidewalk extension.

So for example, we built a huge bull belt, which is a picture right there, where they had the three restaurant dining areas, right?

That's big bull belt.

So we'll be building a smaller version of something like that outside of the museum at the corner of Grand and Central.

Um PCI, it's not PGI, it's PCI, pavement condition index.

So every three years we rate our roadways and the condition of the roads, and you get a numerical number between one or zero and a hundred.

Unfortunately, we have a couple zeros that we're addressing.

Okay.

So that's PCI.

And then I think we talked about end date, which was the other question.

Yeah.

And thanks.

And from the bull out too, the advantage is by bulbing the sidewalks out, you create that kind of smaller square intersection.

So you're reducing the amount of time it takes for pedestrians to have to cross.

So it kind of minimizes their impact with the flow of traffic that way.

Thank you.

Yeah, and I think it's really a great opportunity for a win-win.

It gives us the opportunity to kind of partner with the hotel for the partion they have to cover as far as the cost, but using that opportunity to do the full paving all around it and create a safer intersection overall.

Thanks.

Council member Roth.

It any chance that it could start before October 1st.

Potentially.

Okay.

Yes.

I mean I'm gonna say yes, it will, but it won't, you won't see a breaking ground starting.

We'll be getting all the submittals, the material submittals.

So then they tell us what type of asphalt they're gonna use, and they start giving us all the those concrete submittals and drainage submittals and stuff like that, right?

So we collect all that paperwork.

So when we're ready to rock and roll with construction, we're ready to rock and roll.

So I would say I'll get October 1st is probably a good breaking ground time frame, but we will start collecting information at probably as early as tomorrow.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You have anything?

Okay.

Anybody like to make a motion?

My recommendation is that the first thing you do is ask me to read the title of the ordinance.

Oh, yes.

Okay.

Yeah, this is an ordinance of the city council of the Citilla Pacific Grove amending the operating and capital projects budget for fiscal year 2025-2026.

And then the remaining uh items on under recommendation that could all be done in one motion, and the motion would read um uh move to approve uh the remaining items in the recommendation.

Um move to remain remove the move the remaining items of the recommendation if I can talk.

That's first second.

Second, okay, all those in favor?

Ianimously except one.

Thank you, Mayor.

Okay.

Um the next item is uh B, which is the resolution amending resolution 25-020 for date of circulation in Mr.

Perry.

Yes, thank you, Mayor.

So uh this item is um involving as you've indicated uh two um actions.

One is in connection with a resolution to amend resolution 25020, which accepted the certification of sufficiency of the referendum against ordinance 25-007, increasing the compensation of the mayor and city council members.

The council was presented with uh uh arata of that um ordinance, excuse me, of that resolution at your meeting on August 20th, and uh the um and you now have an errata for the meeting tonight, um, which accepts all of those changes.

And there is um uh one other change that's necessary um to that uh resolution that's in the errata.

That's in section nine of the resolution.

There's a strain number two.

Um, so I'll just read how it is and how it should be.

It says signatures and and then there's a number two certification, and and that should instead read signatures and certification without that two in there.

So we had a a stray two somehow found its way its way in there.

So um that'll um uh be removed.

And so that is what the resolution uh uh is that's uh before you tonight.

It'd be the one that's in the um uh errata and and with the uh additional change of removing that number two.

So that's the first recommendation.

Um the second recommendation relates to um an ordinance, and again, this one comes from your meeting on August 20th, where the um council approved uh a motion to direct staff to return to the council at your meeting tonight with an ordinance repealing ordinance 25-007, and uh to return to the council at a future meeting for a discussion of a possible ballot measure to present in 2026 for a public vote uh on an ordinance increasing the salary of the mayor and city council members.

The only portion uh that is uh on your agenda tonight is the ordinance to repeal ordinance 25-007.

So tonight would be a first reading of that ordinance to appeal.

Um, and so that is something that um you should be aware of.

And I should also mention that um the ordinance um uh does um need uh two corrections.

Um and so that is something that um you should be aware of and I should also mention that um the ordinance um uh does uh need uh uh two corrections um the ordinance that's in your packet in section four uh currently reads it says um city charter section 16 states instead that should read article 16 of the city charter states so that's section four of the ordinance and then section 10 we've got that straight too somehow found its way in here so that uh currently reads signatures and and it's got the number two certification and instead that should read signatures and certification so those are the uh changes that would be necessary to the ordinance um so the actions tonight that are being recommended are first would be the motion to adopt the resolution amending resolution 25 020 um uh as it's is found in the um errata and then um the remaining uh recommendations that are in the agenda uh report are to request that i read the title and then the balance of the recommendations as you can see in the agenda so I'm available to answer questions if if if you have any okay why don't we go out to the uh public for public comment is there anybody online Sandra thank you emilio I do not see any hands raised online okay anybody in the audience no okay I'll bring it back to the council yes uh just a little housekeeping detail there was something in there about changing a date where signatures were collected was that covered in the errata as well it is it is thank you for bringing that up let me mention that um that would be um the uh dates for the circulation of the petition that's in section 12 um of the resolution and it and it correctly states that the circulation of the petitions uh commenced on June 6th of 2025 and concluded on july 7th 2025 so yes thank you for bringing that up sure so the um recommended action would first be to uh have a motion to um uh approve the resolution amending resolution 25020 so if there's a motion on that okay see if anybody else has any more questions on the oh I'm I'm sorry I didn't hear any just nobody else okay go ahead uh so the first recommendation is a motion to adopt the resolution amending resolution 250 no recommended action on on number one on number one yeah all those um pushing to approve that aye Mr.

Barrett what's the next step here yeah we should announce that that was a unanimous vote yeah the unanimous right uh so now I'm uh hearing that you want me to read the title and uh the ordinance which I'll do this is ordinance of the city council of the city of Pacific Grove repealing ordinance 2507 increasing the compensation of the mayor and uh city council members uh so now that I've read the title um the uh final motion that you could make would be that you would move recommendations three through five recommendations three to five seconds all those in favor uh aye good and minus one motion carries yes and that passed unanimously unanimous except for the mayor who's not here okay um now we'll move on to uh uh 12 a artificial intelligence framework and policy mr thank you um senator i i did uh at least uh create a brief deck could you please pull that up thank you um give me just one moment my apologies yeah and also he's pulling it up i i just wanted to mention that um ai has uh certainly proliferated uh at least my world uh my company's world uh and everywhere i go um that's all that i see today and and this is just uh make sure that uh we're ahead of the curve with what is uh transpiring with uh the artificial intelligence uh kind of world generally because it is uh just like any other technology uh provading our lives and uh it's gonna provade the city's lives too eventually um so with that i i did have a uh brief presentation um uh obviously we can go at length at it but uh did want to keep it a little bit short um if you can go yeah thank you uh sandra um so i i just wanted to at least give a brief background on on how ai came to be and and i think the um thing will three um i would say events so to speak which uh which is driven to ai where it is today one is that uh the concept of neural networks uh which was long uh examined but never took off uh actually had uh had a tipping point so to speak in in the early 2020

Um if you can go, yeah, thank you, uh Sandra.

Um so I just wanted to at least give a brief background on on how AI came to be.

And and I think the um three uh I would say events, so to speak, which uh which is driven to AI where it is today, one is that uh the concept of neural networks, uh, which was long uh examined but never took off, uh, actually had uh had a tipping point, so to speak, in in the early 2020s.

Uh at the same time, uh the for artificial intelligence to actually kick things off, you need a lot of processing power.

And uh what happened then was the the CPU that we noticed today, which is used in the computers, uh has a certain processing power, but there's also another component called GPU, which is used in gaming um devices, which has a lot of processing power.

So as time went on, both of these hardware kind of technologies, they dropped price significantly.

Uh and GPU actually took on the role of like powering AI-related material.

So that was another event that kind of like combined with the neural network, kind of triggered things off.

And the third thing is really uh over ever since the internet has been in existence, we've just been collecting data all along.

Uh and so there's always been like uh large amounts of data that has existed, but uh nobody's actually processed that large amounts of data.

So you combine this neural network, this really big processing power that you have, and the large amounts of data that that is exists, and you essentially come up on some something where you can actually have something think through more smartly uh to make decisions.

And so that's why we're we're here, and it's technically just like anything else.

Uh the first uh computer chip was uh bigger than a room, and now it's on our phones, it's the same concept.

Like uh it's it's coming to it's no longer confined to laboratories, it's it's now here.

And and what really it's it's driving many things, but I think I'm looking at it from a city perspective.

So they're like uh really making city more smarter in in many aspects.

So with that, uh can we go to slide number three, please?

Uh and and you will hear this very, I would say it's becoming commonplace, uh, but if not, I'll just uh make a reference here at least uh is that there are different types of uh I would say artificial intelligence, uh the broadly uh kind of branch out into what is called predictive AI, uh generative AI and perceptive AI.

Uh predictive AI is really something where um AI looks at historical uh kind of data to predict what is going to happen in the future.

So the very common element is like traffic patterns, because you know what is happening in the past, so you can say what is happening in the future.

So that's where predictive AI comes.

Uh generative AI is where um think of it as like a uh like a storytelling machine.

So AI can think through what what can be done and create something new.

So that's where you see all these like fancy images, data, videos and everything.

These are all generative services.

Um and then perceptive AI uh just as the name indicates, it's like perception, meaning you're giving uh like uh the sensory perceptions to AI, so like vision uh and sound, etc.

So think of it as like cameras and in places like that in public safety where you can use perceptive AI so that the technology can actually look at things and decipher what needs to happen next.

So that typically those are like the general realms and there are use cases over there.

Uh next slide, please.

Uh and so uh really the the crux for me to bring this into the equation is why do we need this?

Uh I don't know how many of you have uh actually watched that uh show called Black Mirror, but uh effectively I don't want a black mirror episode here uh in the city.

So that's one one big thing.

The other thing too is uh just like any other technology, uh you uh AI is still running.

Uh so I in fact it probably still exists right now, but if you go to Google Chrome and you just say, was last year 2024 in Google Chrome, well, AI will say no, it's not 2024.

And so the it exists right now, you can do it right now if you want, but the the thing is uh think of it as any other software product.

Uh software product uh goes through iterations, and fact of the matter is AI isn't there in production at this point.

It's still like in a beta phase.

So it's like going through all these iterations.

Meanwhile, being that it's so prevalent, people have started using it all over the place.

So uh it's still risky to use it, and so like uh it does have biases.

So the first thing is like uh I I remember um uh Amazon had had a had an instance where uh it was using the the uh predictive AI uh technology to scan through resumes.

Uh and uh most of the Amazon being a technology company, most of the resumes were coming from males, and so the AI developed a bias to say only males should be kind of picked up, only those resumes need to be picked up and ignore any resumes where there's a mention of say women in it, like for example, your women's girl Scout Foundation or something, then ignore that resume.

They caught on to that, but they never actually were able to stop it from learning or taking that bias out.

So they had to scrap that entire project.

Similarly, uh the models can make mistakes in a prime cases where uh you you had uh I think this was in 2024, but there were um uh cases in New York where some folks within the illegal industry had uh used AI to present some kind of like arguments for their case, and AI spit out uh a lot of uh fictitious kind of cases out there for them to present.

And so they they there was obviously like there was a fine and all that going on, but point being AI does make mistakes, and so that's an important point that I want to say, and then data um privacy.

This is like a very big uh I would say item from a privacy standpoint.

Uh think of like uh the city like uh wanting to uh cities you currently using, for example, we just blessed uh something from Monterey Peninsula Engineering.

Now, is any data going to Monterey Peninsula Engineering through all of this, and is any resident data being transferred?

And how are they actually using this resident data uh uh over there?

I don't we have you haven't defined all those.

Uh and really the point of this policy is to ensure that we're not getting to be going to be under the microscope for anything in the future if we are using any AI technology, and if the city gets sued sued on it.

So I I listed some of the things here, but what I see generally in the in the industry is uh uh you have AI training, you have AI um kind of compliance built into all of the systems, you have a level of access that you can provide to your employees for how much AI can be used.

You decide what kind of an AI model do you want to use, and you want to integrate all of these components with all of the divisions that you have within the city.

So that's uh there's a number of uh questions here, but I wanted to list that these are some other factors that we do need to consider.

Uh and with that, if you go to the last slide, um uh my my view is that uh this is a prime moment for us to review while we are going through some uh IT related exercises to just develop a citywide AI framework/slash policy for the council to review.

Uh my suggestion is six months, of course, we can defer there, but uh but uh there are resources, and I listed uh one each of like a city and county and a school district uh that uh that are there in in California that are being used.

Uh I can I can certainly tell you that uh when I attend uh conferences, a lot of cities are far ahead of the curve with respect to AI technology.

Uh we had a PCI item today, payment condition index.

I I have seen other cities uh strap on a camera to public vehicles, and essentially that camera senses what the payment condition index is based on where the public vehicle is roaming around the city.

So it's it's just a smaller way of doing things.

Uh point being other cities are ahead of the curve with respect to AI adoption, and I think we'll get there, but if we have a policy in place, it will all make us feel sofered better.

So with that, uh I'm open to questions.

Thank you.

Okay, when don't we uh before we go to the council here, uh see any public comment?

Anyone online?

Hi.

We have two hands raised online.

Uh Lisa Ciani.

Thank you.

Um, I just uh appreciate that uh council member Peduri brought brought this item forward.

Um yeah, there's so much we don't know, but it we need to start somewhere.

We need we need a policy, and um so I I really appreciate it because it is a big scary thing, even though it has some wonderful advantages.

Um I I when it says staff staff um uh develop this.

I look it develop uh the uh framework and policy.

Uh we talking about because I'm sorry, I don't remember the what um agenda report said, but but are we talking about our IT staff would be doing this, or what staff would have the capacity uh and time to do this, or would is this involve um extra funding as well.

Um thank you.

Okay, is there anybody else online?

Uh Sandra.

Yes, we have one more hand raised.

Inca Lawrence and Dimer.

Thank you, Sandra.

I appreciate council member Paduri bringing this forward because I find I find this whole thing absolutely frightening and scary.

And this is remember, I am a person who will not even use a cell phone.

And America, the countries, it it's it's the world gives their lives to their cell phones and to technology, does not protect itself, does not question, and computers are only as good as what was put into them, and now it's generating its own set of extrapolations.

I mean, this is just an incredibly frightening thing.

Liability, I mean, yes, we need some sort of framework, council member Paduri.

But if you think that anything is ever going to be contained on this, I don't think that's possible.

It's just a rampant free-for-all now.

And frankly, I'm glad I'm at this end of my life rather than beginning, because this is probably one of the most frightening aspects of technology to me, of course.

Everybody else hauls out their cell phone and just punches away with a band.

So thank you for bringing something up, and I hope you come up with something.

But since it's really only as good as what we know now, I don't think that's gonna be a whole hell of a lot.

But if you want to try and protect us, well, give it your best.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Uh Sandra, is there anybody else on the further hands raised, maybe?

I'll bring it back to the council.

Any comments?

Yes.

Councilmember Garfield.

Thank you.

Um, so it seems like this is as uh council member Paduri said, there are some cities that have taken some steps to give us some examples.

Is the League of California Cities also working on this as a policy and framework so that we can get some expert advice?

Uh Councilmember, there have been conferences actually over the last couple of years, just specifically on AI through the City Manager Association and the League of Cities.

So we will um at your direction, we will dial into that a little bit more and see what models and policies are out there and it's hard to pull that information together.

Okay, sometimes I think it's good to be at the lead, and sometimes it's good to be second.

Okay, uh council member Rao.

Does uh Mr.

Mogenson, does six months seem realistic?

Do you need less time, more time?

I believe six months is a good starting point for us to yeah, be able to see what we can pull together and if it um how confident we feel in it.

If we need to come back and just check in with you and tell you where we are so far and get more feedback, then we'll do that.

Great, thank you.

Uh yes, uh Laurie.

Thank you.

Um yeah, I do actually appreciate this.

I know that um I have a lot of friends who work directly in AI.

They're teaching us a lot of tools at work with the understanding that AI is out there, people will use it.

And one of the most important things is for people to understand these risks and what the tools really do and don't, different tools good for different things.

AI is great at creating hallucinations.

Uh just making things up because until the most recent version of chat GPT, apparently AI couldn't tell you I don't know, so it would make something up that sounded really plausible.

So it would make something up that sounded really plausible.

I've actually used it to search for things or to like help write things.

And it will actually cite uh a code that doesn't exist.

So it's very important to check the sources and make sure that they're actually pulling in accurate information.

And so to this point, I think this is an important idea because with this would come training.

So I think it's really important that that people understand how to write prompts that actually get you what you're looking for and can instead of what maybe AI is misinterpreting your meaning to be.

So I think the more we have the understanding of what the tools actually do, um, where their strengths are and where their weaknesses are, um, so that city staff can utilize them.

They actually can be really great for making a lot of tasks easier and saving a lot of time as long as we have um kind of guidelines in place that tell us how to use that in an effective way and a safe way.

So um, I think that it's it's a good starting point.

And I also um wanted to search for other ideas that are out there so we don't have to take a lot of staff time.

I know it's sort of in our council goals with our technology focus on on bringing in tools that will help us be more efficient.

Um AI definitely has the capacity to do that as long as we're checking its results.

And so I think um providing that kind of training so that we're at the front edge instead of the the trailing behind edge and um not fully utilizing it in in the right way, I think would be valuable.

So if we can, I like the idea um that uh the city manager presented that we bring back um ideas from other areas that would be a good fit for us, so it's not taking a lot of staff time, and then we can, you know, maybe tweak as need be if if needed for our own community.

So yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

Uh yes, Ms.

Drogs.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Um First of all, uh Chaps you did a wonderful job.

This is excellent.

Uh, this is highly related to what my uh my day-to-day life is.

And um I've got a certification in uh business AI, including business analysis and implementation.

And this is a perfect first step.

Um, this focuses on creating the guidelines uh and uh uh uh use cases instead of the what.

We want to first address the why and the how before we address the what.

Uh this is for the people that are worried about we're going to put in uh we're going to install our robot overlords with this.

This is simply to give us the guidelines and what our considerations should be for AI implementation.

Um first things first, we look at the uh uh uh the business needs, the business impacts and the human needs and the human impacts of any proposed solution.

So creating boundaries, creating guidelines first and foremost becomes our our primary interest.

So this is fantastic first step.

Um I had two points that I wanted to discuss with you, which is under uh on page 48 under number four guidelines of potential prohibitions.

Uh the last comment here uh specifically staff should research and recommend any types of AI uses that should be strictly regulated, which is okay, subject to enhanced scrutiny, okay so far, or explicitly prohibited due to high risks in civil liberties or potential for discrimination.

I don't think that we want them to research and recommend uh explicitly prohibited uh uses.

That's it, that's that's how that reads.

So I would think the or in that or explicitly prohibited due to high risk should be uh and are not explicitly prohibited due to high risk to civil liberties and uh potential for discrimination.

I think that's the spirit of of where we're going with that.

Um again, I don't think that needs to change the motion, but I did want that brought up to uh to the city.

So they didn't take that a certain way.

Um the second thing was uh the one thing I would add to this is also uh uh including considerations for risk mitigations to protect against material damages.

We had a lot of uh protecting human beings from discrimination or or uh the machine that the system itself working against human um uh interests.

But there's also the city as a unit itself that needs to be protected as well.

For instance, material damages could be something like um your uh uh your financial management system having direct clin control of your bank account.

And it AI and its infinite wisdom decides you really need to invest everything in Cisco right now in order to make a bundle, you know, and they just divert all the money over there.

If it has control of the the bank account, it can do that and it can put us under immediately.

So those are those are the types of considerations that I'd want in our guidelines as well, just so that it's uh kind of a comprehensive plan or comprehensive set of boundaries going forward.

That'd be it.

That'd be it.

Everything else is it's excellent.

Thank you.

Yeah, uh I just sorry.

Uh I was just gonna say points well taken us, and thank you for the additions and um uh ultimately I want the staff to decide what is best for the city.

Uh and my view is that this is not confined to one department like IT only.

Um there are several companies, for example, Clearview is a is a great example.

Clear of you uh used public images to develop like facial recognition, and now it's sued because it's used public images uh without any anybody asking for them, and it's a actually in the business of of public safety.

So public safety is a big element in this uh, and I I don't see this as one department only.

So whenever staff looks into it, I I somehow want this to be across all divisions, like financial division is a great example now.

Public safety is another.

So ultimately we're we're gonna review it, but I do want you to look at it at an enterprise level.

Thank you.

Okay, I you know, I'm gonna go ahead and make a comment.

Thank you, uh, Councilmember Paduri for bringing this up.

Um I do know the only thing I familiar with is that I've heard from uh no an unnamed council member in uh Monterey County that um that person uses it to um they have to deal with something on the agenda.

We'll do an AI follow-up on it to so that person would know and understand it.

Then I also know of a professor at a uh local college that a lot of his uh AI um he can't tell if it's written essays by the person or that it's AI written.

He doesn't have that yet, and I'm sure they're probably gonna be developing a policy on that too.

So um that's the only one my only comment.

I think it's um initial, and uh it'd be interesting to see.

I know council member Paduri put together um three or four places, two or three places that have it and don't reinvent the wheel.

Some of us will be going to Long Beach, and I'm sure there'll be an AI um session going on there that will probably be pretty crowded.

I'm assume.

So uh that's my only comment.

Uh does anybody have any uh anybody?

I'm sorry, Mr.

Morganson.

Did you have anything?

I uh well when you're when the council is finished discussing, I just want to make sure we understood fully your direction.

I think I got it, but developable check.

Okay, got your done.

Uh, do I have a motion to uh the recommended action is a motion to direct the city manager to initiate the development of comprehensive citywide artificial intelligence uh a AI framework and policy for council review and adoption?

I think that's just a motion.

Am I correct?

Okay, second, second, all those in favor?

I yeah, discussion.

I just wanted to clarify does that help or not?

Does you know we could also talk offline?

I just want to make sure the content, because you mentioned perhaps we're not just only looking at a policy that is like a regulatory, but also what can we do with this?

Some enterprise functions within the city.

That's what you said as well.

Yeah, and it it it actually says comprehensive citywide okay uh in the motion itself.

Okay, I read that to mean enterprise, but uh yeah, we can we can talk offline.

Okay, okay.

Yes.

Um, and and a follow-on to that, because I'm kind of going on the recommendation is based on the agenda report.

I think looking at what kind of training would be valuable for that would be important too, because that will be, I think, a very important step of making sure that that the staff knows what the capabilities are and how to actually use them utilize it in the most effective way, as well as knowing what the policies are.

Very much okay.

Um, did you have anything else?

Okay, all those in favor?

I no, nobody opposed except one not here.

Thank you.

Um did you get direction, Mr.

Muginson?

I didn't I think we have the perfect deputy city manager who had this up well for us.

So okay.

Uh now we're going to go to the dancing monarchs.

Um art donation location.

And I don't see George first, and I'm assuming Mr.

Go.

I'm up here just to let you know that George First will be presenting today via Zoom presentation.

And I'm available for any questions, but so will be Mr.

First.

Okay.

Mr.

First.

Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem and Council members.

Um, I'm returning to you today with the uh location suggestions for the dancing monarchs sculpture.

It's being proposed as a donation by Mr.

and Mrs.

John and Jan Stewart.

I believe Jan is with you today in the audience.

And just a reminder of what the sculpture looks like.

Um, it's one of a series by an artist named Peter Hazel and out of Reno.

So this is just one example of uh the sculpture.

I don't think any of them are exactly alike, but you can get the idea of what it will look like from this picture and some others that I'll show.

So a quick reminder it's fused glass monarch butterflies on stainless steel vine.

And the intention by the donor is to keep the stainless steel vine raw stainless steel, so a silvery metal appearance with the fused monarchs in a spiral pattern.

So the artist Peter Hazel is completing the work this year.

It's currently being commissioned and being worked on.

The dimensions are approximately 12 feet tall by six feet in diameter.

Similar installations have been installed at Water Sound, Florida, Yountville, California, Incline Village, California.

And I believe the original was installed at Jimmy Carter's residence in Plains, Georgia.

And further details of the piece are in the attached proposal.

And here's just some more visuals.

I believe this is the installation in Yountville.

A close-up of the monarchs.

I believe this is the installation at Incline Village, but it kind of shows you that no two pieces are exactly alike.

And I think I believe this is the one in Plains, Georgia.

And you note that this one is quite a bit bigger.

So there's a range of sizes available.

Um quick background.

Uh the BNRC considered this donation in April of this year and recommended that council accept the donation.

May of this year, city council voted to receive the art donation and directed staff to return with site selection suggestions.

After which uh staff discussed possible sites internally, took any feedback from the public that was gathered at both the BNRC and the council meetings, and also met with the donor Jan and uh kind of scouted out all the different locations we could think of and weighed all the pros and cons, put together a rubric, and to be honest, it was challenging.

It's a very subjective thing to pick a site for something like this.

Um, so here are the proposed locations.

And I want you guys to keep in mind that all locations have pros and cons.

The kind of staff favorite was, and this is actually the bull bout that was mentioned earlier in the meeting as part of the intersection rehab project.

But this is in front of the Pacific Grove Natural Museum Museum, the Pacific Grove Museum of Natural History, and there is a like a demonstration rain garden there.

So it's already full of native and pollinator plants.

It already has a nice fence, and it kind of doesn't have 360 degree wraparound viewing, but it's close to it with maybe you know 250 or 270 degree, and the viewing area is going to increase with the intersection rehab project.

So this we like this spot because it has high visibility, strong thematic ties to monarchs and the natural history and education goals of the museum.

The environment for the sculpture is contained by the sidewalk, and that there's an ability to monitor the sculpture, you know, through cameras at the museum or cameras at the library.

Um it's kind of in a what we consider a more secure location of town, and it could have could serve as a waypoint potential to draw visitors to the downtown from the coast.

Uh the big con here is that it lacks the coastal backdrop preferred by the donor.

Since putting this list together and posting the agenda, the donor has made it really clear that uh her she has a very strong preference that this sculpture go somewhere along the coast.

So that is the big downside of this location is that it's not on the coast, which is very much preferred by the donor.

The next location, and this is actually the original location that was you know included in the the art donation proposal by Miss Stewart.

That this is the lover, this is at Lovers Point, but it's kind of at the I don't know you call it the Greater Lovers Point Park, but it's I think it's technically Chase Park East.

It's below the intersection of forest and ocean view at the center of this paved circle.

So this is a relatively new landscaping work with pavers and a circular bench area.

And it's well used.

People use this area to congregate.

People do sit on the benches.

People use this area to view the ocean, the bay, and Lovers Point.

Um, so this would kind of be the centerpiece as you're driving down forest to the coast.

And um the I I think this the sculpture would fit really nicely in that circle.

We'd have to pull up some of the pavers and build a like a pedestal and some sort of a guardrail around it.

And um the the kind of assessment here is that there's high visibility.

It would be visible to a lot of foot traffic, but also a lot of motor vehicle traffic.

It has the scenic coastal backdrop preferred by the artist and the donor.

Um, it the downsides are that it may compete with already iconic views.

Any art piece is not going to be kind of university universally loved.

There's going to be naysayers that don't like it, and they that you know, they might complain that there's a natural beauty to our bay and our coastline, that it doesn't need any man-made additions, and that this new piece of art is going to compete with what's already our scenic beauty.

And it could disrupt the open space feel.

You know, this is an area where people congregate, and that may become more difficult with the piece there.

And the staff's concern here also is that we we know that uh vandalism is an issue on the rec trail.

I think it's hard for our police department to um always you know patrol with full coverage on the rec trail at nighttime.

And we have had instances of you know the mural being vandalized along the rec trail a little further down by Berwick Park.

The bathrooms along the rec trail are regularly vandalized.

And that was an issue where this area that is not very well lit at nighttime, and you the people population at nighttime that's moving on the rec trail um is can a weak point of this spot um for this sculpture.

The next location.

So those were the original first two preferred locations.

This this original spot at Lovers Point as specified by the donor, and then at the museum.

These other locations I'm going to run to run through fairly quickly that were proposed along the way.

One spot that was proposed is Perkins Park along the walking path, and specifically this area near the seawall, and it had high visibility, a scenic coastal backdrop, could compete with the already iconic views, could disrupt the open space feel.

Again, vulnerable to vandalism in the elements.

And the biggest problem here is that there's just not a lot of space, and the ground is not um super stable.

We regularly have washouts of the DG paths here.

We have shifting of these seawalls, and it didn't feel like a real permanent place for such a sculpture that you know sits so high in the air.

So this was not a preferred location.

Uh another considered location was City Hall Plaza.

Um, again, it does not have the coastal backdrop preferred by the donor, medium low visibility, um, because there's not a tremendous amount of foot traffic in this area, and it just didn't seem to fit that nicely in the planner boxes or the current landscaping.

Another area was the center divide at Lighthouse in Eardley.

So this is where a lot of people enter into town if you're driving from Monterey and you're coming up by you know 7 Eleven or the gas station and you turn on to Lighthouse.

We have a nice welcome to Pacific Grove sign, and there is a little circular bulb of DVG walking path that I think could have hosted the sculpture nicely, but really very little foot traffic, even though there might be a good amount of motor vehicle traffic, so medium visibility, and um again, it's not a well-lit area, and you know it could potentially be vulnerable to vandalism.

So this was not a preferred location.

And here's kind of the sleeper candidate that to be honest, when I first considered it, I wasn't that excited about it.

But the but Jan suggested this, and the more and more I thought of it, the more I thought this might be this maybe should be considered as a preferred candidate with the other two.

This is the a planter box that is at Lovers Point Park below the beach house, kind of right in between the pool, the beach house restaurant, and then the beach.

And it has one advantage that it's already raised.

So it would, I think it would make it add a little easier as far as protecting the sculpture and building a kind of a moat around it or a small fence around it.

It isn't it's being utilized currently with plants, but to be honest, they're nothing special.

There's no trees or you know, anything, any plants that we can't replace or you know it improve on by putting somewhere else nearby.

And it gives the the kind of coastal scenic backdrop, but without blocking anybody else's view.

So it's not going to block somebody's, you know, a resident or you know, someone that lives just on the the opposite side of ocean view and is used to seeing the ocean, they're not going to all of a sudden have a sculpture blocking their view.

And it it's it has extremely high foot traffic, even though it has minimal or I should say zero motor vehicle traffic.

So medium visibility but high foot traffic visibility, and it I think it could really define this small space and be the centerpiece here where people kind of mill around and go to the pool, go to the little cafe, or walk between the open field area of Lovers Point Park and the beach.

Again, though, the con here is that this could potentially be vulnerable to vandalism and the weather.

Here's an aerial shot to show you what we're talking about.

I hope you guys are familiar, but it's you know the beach house restaurant has a small cafe on the lower level, and then their kind of fine dining restaurant up on their upper level, and the whole restaurant is raised above where this the stairway and the entrance to the bathrooms at the other lower level, and then there's sort of the two levels with outdoor dining on the kind of slightly raised level, and then there's a footpath to the right that looks over the rock wall down onto the beach.

So it's that box right there in the middle.

And uh to in order to modify that, we'd have to remove those plants, remove the dirt, and or at least some of the dirt, and then um, you know, pay cement in a pedestal there.

And then just uh a quick kind of reference here.

I want to run through the existing sculptures on the coastline just to kind of give everybody a little background on what the city has done in the past with similar donations.

There's two sculptures at Berwick Park.

We have a bronze sculpture by Christopher Bell on the right, and that is in kind of the one open area where there's no trees.

So they have this little cement pad.

The sculpture is maybe five or six feet tall and sits on this pedestal, and they've there's some landscaping surrounding it, but it opens up to the bay, but it it is it has no trees overhanging it, and it's not blocking the main grassy area where people tend to recreate or sunbathe or picnic.

And then on the left here, we have the kind of more recently installed.

Uh, and then I should say that that bronze sculpture on the right was installed, I think around 1994.

Uh, then you have the whales on the left that were carved from a dying tree.

And uh those are those are the closest to the size of what this uh butterfly sculpture likely will be because I think those whales are about 12 feet tall.

Um, and they sit just outside of the tree line now, you know, because they used to be trees, and but they're not blocking anybody's view because they're surrounded by trees, and they're they do sit right in the middle of the grassy area.

Um then here at Lovers Point, we have two sculptures in the grassy area of the park.

On the right, you have the little boy with the sailboat, and on the left you have the granite uh monarch butterfly.

The little boy is on a rock pedestal, and then the granite monarch is on a kind of monolithic granite pedestal.

And these ones that the I not sure exactly when they were installed, but they I think they've been there for for decades.

And these are both five or six feet tall.

So the broader consideration here, the sculpture really could be placed anywhere in the city.

The proposed locations are not an exhaustive list.

So just because they're on this list doesn't mean that that is are the only options.

Every location has trade-offs.

The community value of open space should be weighed against cultural arts enrichment.

And my my big thing when I made this list was to avoid creating sculpture gardens in natural open space and to maintain a balance between art and preservation of the scenic character of our city.

So with that, we hope to have council direction on uh the location for the dancing monarch sculpture.

So happy to answer any questions.

And I know Jan I was expecting to be in the audience, so I know that she's happy to answer questions as well.

Okay, um, let's go out to public comment.

Um, why don't we do the audience first?

My name is Susan Golphead from Pacific Grove.

And I'd like to cast my vote here for um the location in front of the museum.

to answer any questions and I know Jan uh I was expecting to be in the audience so I know that she's happy to answer questions as well okay um let's go out to public comment um anybody uh okay why don't we do the audience first hello my name is Susan Goldbeck from Pacific Grove and I'd like to cast my vote here for um the location in front of the museum the museum as you know is the home of the monarchs we've got a brand new hotel there a lot of people don't like it but a lot of but it's here it's going to be a very active area we have a lot of our public functions in in Jewel Park and I think it would be really lovely to have it right there in front of the monarch's home in the museum thank you is there anybody else uh in the audience i i consider the lovers point a good location the donor is um hoping for that i think that was one of the ideas that she liked and as far as it goes i'm wondering who would be responsible if there is vandalism it could happen anywhere could even happen if it's in front of the museum so um why don't we think about lover's point thank you thank you uh is there anybody else in the audience yes good evening council members i'm jan stewart i'm the donor along with my husband john um i guess i just would like to emphasize how we would love to see the sculpture placed in a position where it will just sparkle and be amazing and be visible from three 360 degrees because it is a sculpture so it's nice to have the idea of being able to see it from all directions and the other thing that we've thought about originally too was using it as a or having the city use it as a um symbol of low town usa and as an opportunity for people hopefully to take photographs of it with themselves in front of it or their friends or family like they do with the whales at Book Park um with the view of our iconic coastline in the background so I I can envision that being a nice way to promote help promote the city um if it's located at that intersection of forest and ocean view I think that would also serve as a bit of a wayfinding um tool for people to know that that's where we could meet up and then walk into town or meet up and you know go out for dinner or whatever that it could be somewhat of a meeting place and a place for people to congregate um there's already seating there and uh if you looked at I don't know if you're really familiar with it but there's kind of block seating all the way around and um the idea would be that it would be placed somewhat in the center so that people could view the sculpture from all angles um so yeah so we're delighted and I want to thank you for your consideration we're delighted to be able to offer this to the city and I want to make a special shout out to George first and city staff for all the work they're doing trying to figure this out because you can only imagine how many different places you could put something like this and especially in a town with so much coastline and so many beautiful places so thank you very much for your consideration.

Thank you um anybody else in the audience let's go online Sandra thank you Mary Partem Angel Lawrence and Diamond thank you Sandra and I too want to thank George first for extensively researching all the different locations that uh and he came up with quite a few I am one of those people who would like to see our coastline and our beautiful ocean views unobstructed um to that note I think the museum is actually as actually I guess it was Susan Goldbeck who said that is the monarch you know they feature the monarch butterfly garden and etc um and the second one is the Lover's point down below by the beach house not that circle that is an unobstructed gathering place view where the beauty our natural beauty should not end up with a Disneyland like a sculpture is gorgeous but it doesn't belong there.

Are there any other people on uh online, yeah?

Online.

We have um I see two more hands raised.

Lisa Chiani.

Thank you.

Um wow, uh well, but thank you again to Ms.

Stewart for this donation.

Uh it's just seems so perfect for PG.

Um and so generous.

Um and and thank you to George.

That was an excellent presentation and so much thoughtful consideration of different locations and the fat and giving us the objective pros and cons, but acknowledging it's a very subjective decision.

Um I I'm torn, but I I uh really uh uh would like to honor the the artists and the donors um first choice of uh placing it in that circle.

That circle was originally designed to have a sculpture in the middle of it.

It would it was going to be at one time a bust of Julia Platt.

Um this is quite different from that, but um, but it would be lovely there, especially when you think about the fact that there used to be monarchs along the coast, flitting along the coast.

And I have seen a few.

Oh my goodness, and they look so tiny there, and and I love this concept of making them big um and gorgeous, like you know, it which is the feeling that goes along with them.

So I mean, first I I would encourage that, even though I I think the vandalism risk is it seems huge.

Um considering the amount of vandalism in that area.

Uh so but that would be one, and then uh I would very much otherwise like to see it at the at the museum, which is a perfect setting for so much so much opportunity for up close um observation and enjoyment from the from right there in front of the museum, from the park, from the library, from it just it would be wonderful, but it lacks the ocean.

So um uh I uh wish you luck in making a decision here.

I would like to say for an ocean setting, I would not like it by the bathrooms at the at the beach house.

Somehow, you know, the public bathrooms.

It just that really to me detracts from it.

Um so there's my two cents.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Miss Johnny.

Any other uh people online?

Yes, sir, one more.

Sharon Miller.

Wow, we have such generous people in this town, makes me proud.

And it was such a clear description of the sculpture and the various sites that are being considered.

I just will am in awe of what George has done there.

My vote would have to be for the um the circle down at Lovers Point.

I walk down there a lot, and it is boring in that circle to have this beautiful sculpture in there, I think would be excellent.

If uh people want an unobstructed view, which I don't think glass sculptors are gonna obscure the view all that much, they can walk a few steps and they're right there looking out at the bay with an unobstructed view.

I wonder if there is a way to help vandal proof something like this.

I don't know what the cost is, what the um technical capabilities are, but some kind of camera and a little note that be careful because you are on candid camera right now.

That might help to um cut down.

But anyway, my vote would be for the circle at Lovers Point, and I look forward to seeing wherever it is.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other uh Senator Dell?

Okay, yes, sir.

Um let's go ahead and bring it back to the council and um I'll I have a question for Mr.

First.

Uh, in regards to Pacific Road Museum Natural History, has the director been contacted the museum about possibly putting that sculpture there?

Mayor Pro Tem.

We met and spoke with museum representatives.

It did not include the director, but I'm I'm fairly certain that the director was clued into the conversation.

And we had positive feedback from other staff at the museum.

Okay.

I I'll go ahead and start this um in just my thought.

Thank you very much for the presentation.

Um I like the uh Lovers Point uh where the circle is.

And uh I think wherever the um dancing um monarchs go, there's always a possibility of vandalism.

That's that's gonna that's a given.

But uh I think with the people that come and uh visit our wonderful town of Pacific Grove and walk along the trail.

I think that would be a nice stopping point to admire the uh flies.

So but I would like to hear the rest of the council with sort of thoughts.

Yes.

Uh Mr.

Guru or Mr.

First, uh, can you tell me what are the dimensions of that circular pad that's outside uh Lover's Point or above the either one of you know what that dimension is?

I do not have that dimension.

I'm not sure if George does, but I would say it's probably 10 to 12 feet.

Right.

Yeah, radius.

My concern with that is if you take a 12-foot span and you put a six-foot sculpture, it's gonna limit the amount of people that can move around it.

Um, and I don't know if there's an opportunity to pull out those benches or move the benches out further in order to make enough room for that.

But I just I don't want people, you know, it's gonna have to be raised so people don't bump their heads, but I think it's also gonna be a challenge in that area.

I think it would be perfect, but I just worry that uh given the the size of that pad and a six foot by six foot dimension, that that may be uh it may be too small for it.

And I I'm not suggesting that we make it smaller because I think it's beautiful, but I want to make sure that this thing has the best chance uh that we can give it.

Um also I would say that any installation needs to come with some type of monitoring, you know, whether we set up solar cameras or whatever we we need to do.

Uh that's the reason I think that the other uh area, um, and I'm not gonna say by the bathrooms, I'm gonna say by the walking path and by the snack shack, but there's opportunities there to put up cameras, you know.

We we've got the beach house right there, the snack shack right there.

Those are both city properties.

We can throw cameras up there and monitoring fairly easily.

Um so I am intrigued by that location.

And um I I also think that the museum, although it's not near the ocean, uh, I do think that's a good location too.

But I I want to make sure if my first choice is that pad that it's gonna be big enough to support uh an art display of that size.

Councilmember Garfield.

Thank you.

Um I that's an excellent point.

And I I think that we we need that that information.

That is also my first choice because of its 360.

Um, and if you watch people around a landmark like that, a special a special place, you'll see that they want something in the background.

And the museum has the wall in the background.

So somebody taking a picture of them of their family with the monarchs would have a tan wall behind them.

Um, so I don't think it makes it as as good a photo op.

Um that said, the tie to the museum is something I don't want to lose.

And I think that if we had it at the Lovers Point location, whether it's near that walking path or the circle, um, we have an opportunity, an educational opportunity to put signage in that explains monarchs that then pulls people to the museum and to the sanctuary.

So it gives them a wayfinding.

And for years, people in downtown businesses have wanted to find a way to bring people from the tra the rec trail up to town.

And this is an opportunity to do that.

So I think that that that pull is really important.

And the role of the museum can be emphasized as well as plantings to explain how to plant for the support of the monarchs, what not to plant.

Um and and we we get a lot out of it.

I think I think that location gives us a lot of uh a lot of pluses.

So that's my fave.

Um, although I I'm with George, the idea of near Lovers Point.

Kind of you go, oh yeah, how about that?

Um the camera placement, if we did such a thing, um the shack or the uh swan boat, those are structures that we could also use to mount um observation as well.

And it's probably something we should be thinking about elsewhere in the city as well.

So thank you.

Uh George, go ahead.

Um, commissioners, I just checked on uh with aerial photograph photography and measured it.

It's approximately 20 feet in diameter that it's narrowest for the uh that circle.

Uh Mr.

First, it's 20 feet uh in 20 feet across the circle.

Across the circle.

And do you know the h that's across circle?

The height is 20 feet.

Uh sorry, the distance to walk across the circle is 20 feet.

Oh that and the the sculpture you know has a height of approximately 12 feet and you know a diameter and of approximately six feet.

So it's 12 by six by six, but it definitely increases in size as you go up.

So if you imagine it on a you know on a pedestal of two or two to four feet up, you you would imagine it almost like a tree above people's head, because you know it kind of goes up in stocks and then bursts out open.

Okay.

And if you look at the pictures of the other iterations of this sculpture, the base itself is actually pretty small.

Like all the stems come down to a footing that is really only a few feet across.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

First.

Uh yes, Councilman.

Um thank you.

Um thank you for the presentation.

Thank you for the donation.

Um obviously it'll look good anywhere, my my personal opinion.

But um uh the uh I I do uh like uh like I get the 270 versus 360 degrees, um, I get the coastal backdrop.

Um no matter where we put it, it'll be used just the way the city is, it'll be used as a directional marker.

So if we're thinking Lovers Pointe, it can say go to downtown.

I can tell you my kids will say that's the rate of the restrooms by the butterfly.

So it's the same concept.

So it's it's it's just a directional marker.

So my view is uh I I think the question that I have is uh obviously we're gonna do a lot with cameras and all that, but it there is vandalism.

Uh, what is the liability to the city if something were to happen?

Because the the agenda report do list like a appraised value.

It's not it's not chum change.

So what how are we protected there?

Um councilmember Paduri through Mayor Pro Tem.

I think it's like any other asset of the city.

This would be a donation to the city.

So it would become a possession of the city.

And just like if you know, we yeah, I think we're our liability insurance is through the you know, joint joint powers association.

And I don't think this would be my understanding is that the value of the piece is roughly 25,000.

Um maybe Mrs.

Stewart can correct me on that.

Um, but uh I think just like any other thing you would own, you'd have to question whether it's worthwhile to repair it, if it's a possible to repair, or if it's something that needs to be removed.

So I know that Mrs.

Stewart has mentioned the potential of getting extra butterflies.

So if one of the butterflies were to be damaged later on, that we'd have spare butterflies ready to get welded on or installed into the sculpture.

Um, but I think any incidence of vandalism or you know an act of God that you know damages the sculpture, you'd have to treat it just like anything else.

Like, for example, when the whales lost their fins at Berwick Park, we had to decide what to do.

Do we scrap the whole statue and you know, because it's full of you know voids and rotten wood, or do we fill the bondo and fix it?

Um I I don't think in either of those situations, this hypothetical with the monarchs or with the whales, it made sense to file any sort of insurance claim.

I think it was either you repair it or you um remove it from display.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh thank you for that explanation.

Um I I personally like the coastal kind of like view of this uh I know the PG Museum is a is a candidate, but uh and I like the spot at Lovers Point, the central spot where uh there seems like some cemented kind of like structures.

Um to me too, it appears empty.

And I I do think I agree with Councilmember Garfield for a really long time.

We've we've been trying to tell folks this is the way to downtown.

And and I see one of these branches on the sculpture pointing a certain direction, maybe a direction could be towards downtown.

Uh so just tossing out an idea.

Probably you'll have more ideas, but my view is that uh the Lovers Point location looks looks great.

Uh 360 angle, there's not any other item there uh which will clash with things.

So it could become a centerpiece in some cases, um, as opposed to the one by the restrooms, which is uh flashing with other elements there.

Um as far as uh Mr.

Forest uh did answer some of the questions related to the liability aspect.

Uh and I'm glad that uh the uh the world's donating it here is also taking care of the maintenance aspects of the situation because this is by the sea, uh depending on the fabric, the how the quality of the actual sculpture of the it could get weather damage.

Uh and and so you're maintaining it, that's fantastic.

Uh, I think this is another way for us to promote the city in more ways, more ways than one.

So I'm I'm going with that recommendation.

Thank you.

Uh yes, uh, Councilmember Morrell.

Yeah.

I want to go back just really quick.

And if you look in the agenda packet, there is an artist rendering.

But now that we've answered the question about how big that uh that is, you can see that there's a solar uh a solar crosswalk light that you can press.

So I think it's a natural location to put a solar camera in there.

Um so I think uh based on what we've seen, I I agree that something needs to probably go there.

Uh so that one just moved up in my list to number one.

Um but again, thank you very much.

And it's beautiful and it's gonna look great anywhere we we decide to place it.

But I think going back and looking at it, I think the um the paved circle uh would be the appropriate place for it.

Councilman.

Thank you very much.

Um yeah, I think it will be a beautiful addition to the city.

It's this kind of have a has a graceful and joyful appearance to it.

Um I definitely understand the value of the coastal views.

So I kind of I take that in mind as well, but there's something about really graceful artistic art that can enhance potentially the ocean view in that one particular location.

And so I just feel like it's sort of an opportunity, it it's a good location.

The the museum does have its desirability because it it is you know kind of a a good location from the perspective of it is one of our town centers, but it's also not a place that it may have quite as much visibility, and I don't think it will showcase the true beauty of it.

It may end up more in the shadows of the building.

And so I think you won't get the you know the full display of it there.

What I like about the location of the circle at Lovers Point, not only because people can really go around it and enjoy the immersive experience of it, um, but also um it it's something now that both the locals and the tourists can really enjoy.

It kind of gets lost where the Lovers Point is so touristy that often it would it wouldn't be something the locals would ever really notice.

It's something people would have to know it's there and go just specifically to Lovers Point.

Whereas in the location in the circle, anybody driving by the coast, anybody coming down forest or crossing ocean view or anything would have the opportunity to really enjoy that.

I could almost see, you know, coming into town is that thing where you just smile.

It's like if you've been away, thank God, back in PG.

Um, but um yeah, there's there just seems to be a beauty and a joy about it that I I would like it to be in a place where everybody really has the opportunity to fully enjoy it in its full radiance.

And I think it would get more of that radiance and that location.

And so um, as long as we could do I definitely agree with the idea of the solar cameras, people you can't stop people from vandalizing, but maybe you can at least put tools in place where they know they're on camera, good chance they'll get caught um and and hopefully um respect it in that way.

Um, and and hopefully um respect it in that way.

And then um, I know that we had there was talk at the BNRC meeting as well about making sure it has something around it so people aren't climbing on it.

So, from that aspect of the liability, maybe even having some plants like um uh uh Councilmember Garfield and mentioned the pollinators.

So having like a little stand around the base where maybe you have a rail and a little bit of pollinator plants to say these are the good kind, you know, to have to support monarchs and definitely um I think that we might have talked about signage, or I remember them talking about signage of that too, and um the idea of using it as a tool for education and leading them to um up to more downtown and to the museum.

So I I can really see the value of it being in that location, being more of kind of a real gem and a real showpiece for Pacific Road, more so in that location.

Thanks.

Um Thank you, Your Honor.

Uh first I'd like to start off by thanking Jan and John Stewart.

Uh this is an amazing contribution.

Thank you so much.

I'd also like to thank the artist, Peter Hazel.

I love their work.

Uh I took a trip up to Reno.

Unfortunately, it wasn't, I didn't have enough lead time to arrange a tour of the studio, but they do offer that if you give them a call and you happen to be in the area.

Anyway, um for concerns.

I think our our fear of vandalism greatly outweighs our actual threat from it.

Uh that being said, I also I also think that visibility is probably our best defense against vandalism.

And this is the most visible location in town bar none.

Simply put, the uh uh I'm gonna jump ahead.

Uh the the circle over at Lovers Point at Chase Park is simply our most visible location we've got.

So uh, and again, uh the idea that Tina had of having a uh a solar-powered camera by the uh the the from the crosswalk sign there is an excellent idea.

Uh I think that's low, low-ish cost.

It's going with uh uh our our resources that are already in place.

It's a it's a great opportunity.

Um what drove me to this location with this particular donation?

First of all, it's stunning.

The work is beautiful, but it has the possibility to become a landmark for us with with proper implementation, and I think this is a good implementation in that it's that Instagram moment.

Uh, there's a lot of safe places to photograph it from with this location, so that we're looking out for traffic safety, pedestrian safety, personal safety.

Um, but also it creates this magnificent view.

This may uh there are tons of stunning pictures.

It's hard to take a bad picture in this town to begin with, but this really takes advantage of some of our very best assets that we've got.

And we're not trying to put it someplace where we hope people go, we're putting it someplace where people currently go.

This is where everyone goes already.

So they're they're we're putting it right there where they already are.

We're not chasing after them or trying to drive them somewhere else.

Uh so that's super helpful for the goal of making this a uh a landmark.

Um yeah, I I gotta say, I really did like the other location at Lovers Point by the uh uh by the uh by the coffee shop.

But when I was thinking about that Instagram moment, like, okay, how would I take a shot of that?

Your best location to take the picture from, I think, is the ramp up to the bathrooms, and I think that creates a logistical issue for the people that need to use them.

So that's one reason I leaned away.

But the the major drive was all of the traffic that's already there at the circle.

And as was pointed out, the circle is made to house a statue, and it sat there without one.

And I think it's time that we gave it one.

Uh one thing I'd like to throw out for the city to consider is maybe on the stand having under lighting so that at night we actually illuminate all the glass butterflies.

I think that'd be stunning.

Anyway, uh, that's it.

That everything I've got for you.

Thank you very much.

Okay.

Um, Mr.

Go.

I would just like to specify that this is in the coastal zone.

So we will probably need to figure out how it's going to be mounted and all of these other factors, and then bring it forward for some sort of coastal development permit, because it's more than just putting this in place, right?

We're talking fencing cameras, lighting.

So that will be our challenge.

Moving forward, but I'm just letting you know that this is still got quite a bit of a little bit of a process.

Okay.

I think you're equal to the test.

I'm ready for to make a motion if you want.

Well, I would I have well one more thing to say.

Um this isn't welcome to Las Vegas.

This is not a sign like that.

This is a sign to welcome Pacific Grove.

And I think that'll be a sign that with that if the coastal permit splessing.

Okay.

In progress, okay, good.

Let's go with um Stephanie um Ariola.

Hi.

Good evening, night, Mayor Pro Tem, Council members, staff, and members of the public.

Tonight before you is the annual League of California Cities Conference voting delegates and alternates discussion.

The League of California Cities will hold its annual conference from October eighth through the tenth in Long Beach, California.

During the conference business meeting, the authorized delegates from the city may represent the city's interest to vote on and approve leak policy.

The league requires each city seeking to vote on matters to authorized by resolution, its mayor or elected officials to formally represent the city, participate in the business meeting, and vote on behalf of the city.

Cal City require considers and acts on resolutions that establish Cal City's policies.

Uh through several that's gonna be there, but he is going to be voting that day.

Uh it's a long beach.

So does anybody wish to um be the second alternate?

I'd like to nominate chaps to be the second alternate.

Okay.

I totally agree with you on that.

Oh, so I have a second.

Yeah, where's the second?

Great.

I'll go I'll go second on that one.

Okay, so Stephanie, we've got um the mayor, Mayor Pro Tim, and then uh council member Javs Paduri will come in as a cleanup matter.

Sounds great.

Thank you.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um those in favor of that.

Um thank you.

I just wanted to clarify.

I I got that the that mayor pro tem moved, and the second was Council Member.

Yes.

Yeah.

Relable.

Yeah.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Okay.

We could arm wrestle over it.

Okay.

So uh let's see.

The next one we have is uh we're finally uh ready for um let's see, that is 14A.

Uh it's from Sandra City uh clerk.

Would you like to do the uh presentation on this?

Actually, it's going to be uh Miss Sophia.

Yeah, I know, but I mean I will bring up the presentation.

Yes, sir.

Okay, Sophia, you've been waiting for so long.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem and Council members.

My name is Sophia Schwartzki, and I serve as a community relations manager representing the north northern region of Central Coast Community Energy's service area.

Uh, we're also known as 3CE.

I'm here to share highlights about 3CE's recent activities, programs, and ongoing efforts to support your community.

Um, and I also want to say that I grew up in Pacific Grove, and I'm very excited to be presenting to your council this evening.

Next slide, please.

As you may know, 3CE is the public agency that sources energy for the Central Coast.

We work in partnership with PGE, who manages the transmission and delivery of that energy to your homes and businesses.

Today, 3CE provides clean and renewable energy to 1.2 million people, which is about 94% of eligible customers across 30 cities and five counties.

Last year we delivered enough renewable energy to power more than 350,000 homes.

By doing so, we avoided carbon dioxide emissions equivalent to taking 105,000 gas-powered cars off the road.

3CE has power purchase agreements in place to supply 69% of our load with renewable energy by October of 2028, with additional contracts pending approval that would increase this number.

This puts us well ahead of state clean energy requirements.

As we increase our supply of renewable energy, battery storage does play a critical role in making that energy reliable, affordable, and available when it's needed most.

So over the next couple of slides, I'd like to go into a bit more detail on that with you.

Like I said, battery storage is essential for California's clean energy transition, and just as importantly to customer affordability.

Batteries capture renewable energy when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, then release it when demand is high and wind and solar power is not available.

At the utility scale, they reduce fossil fuel reliance during peak hours, lowering electricity rates for customers at the residential level, home batteries provide backup power and store cheap renewable energy for use during expensive peak hours.

So I want to take a real world example to illustrate the value of utility scale battery storage.

The chart that you have in front of you shows the statewide power mix from Labor Day weekend of 2022 when California issued its most recent flex alert.

A statewide call to reduce energy use during a major heat wave.

So again, this graph is showing the energy mix from that day.

The red area represents fossil fuels, which made up the largest portion.

The green shows renewable sources like solar and wind, which peak during the day and then drop off sharply at sunset.

But what I really want to show you is those very thin orange lines at the bottom and top of that graph.

At the bottom, you'll see batteries charging during daylight hours.

And at the top, those same batteries discharge energy back into the grid when it's needed most.

And again, on this day, we needed a flex alert in order to avoid rolling blackouts.

Thank you.

So now we're going to look at a more recent heat wave.

This chart is showing July 4th of last year, where despite another period of extremely high energy usage, there was no flex alert needed to avoid blackouts.

And this graph really tells the story.

Again, the green bar representing renewable energy grew taller as more solar came online.

And the red bar representing fossil fuels became smaller.

But most notably, that orange battery bar at the bottom and top of the screen more than tripled.

Batteries charged during the day and discharge power during peak evening hours, providing critical support when it was needed most.

And again, there was no need for a flex alert to avoid blackouts during this event.

As you can imagine, we have heard from many community members with questions about the safety of utility scale battery storage.

And I'd like to take a moment to share a few key points.

First, 3CE does not invest in any power purchase agreements with indoor battery facilities like Vistra's Moss Landing facility was.

Additional programs help lower the cost of upgrading to electric appliances, installing residential battery storage, and advancing electrification in the agricultural sector.

We also offer programs exclusively to member agencies like the City of Pacific Grove.

Through our electrifier fleet and charger fleet programs, up to $300,000 per year is available to your city for electric fleet vehicles and EV charging stations.

In addition, our plan your fleet program provides no-cost technical assistance to support these efforts.

We also have a reach codes program, which offers technical assistance and outreach support to help cities and counties adopt, implement, and enforce local REACH codes.

Since 2018, nearly 7,000 customers have benefited from 3CE's programs, putting more than 11 million dollars back into our community.

Over $4 million of that support went directly to underserved community members.

So far, your community has received more than 440,000 in funding through uh various programs like the Electrify Ride Program, the Electrify Your Home Program, the new construction electrification program, and the residential battery rebate program.

And we've included data from Carmel on this slide as a benchmark to help you put your city's participation levels into context.

Before I conclude, I want to share a brief legislative update.

The bill eliminates federal tax credits for electric vehicles after September 30th and for home energy upgrades after December 31st.

Many of our customers at 3CE combine federal incentives with the rebates that we offer.

So we are really encouraging those who are interested in electrifying to do so now so they can get the maximum incentive that's out there.

HR1 also eliminates tax credits for utility scale solar and wind projects that have not broken ground by 2027.

These projects are cheaper and quicker to build than their natural gas alternatives.

And without federal support, they may become more difficult to develop, which could potentially lead to higher energy costs for our customers.

To help address this, 3CE is supporting the Pathways Initiative, which is Senate Bill 540, which would create a regional energy market across California and other Western states.

This would enable us to sell our excess renewable energy produced during the day, reducing emissions across the Western region, and generate nearly $800 million in savings for Californians.

Looking ahead, advancing legislation to improve resource adequacy trading is another area that we might pursue next year.

So that is all that I have for you today.

If you have any questions, I'm available to answer them now.

I also have my contact information for you there on the screen.

And I just wanted to say thank you so much for your time this evening, and I'm happy to take any questions you may have.

This is receive the presentation.

In does any council have any things to say?

Yes.

Okay.

We'll do public comment, any public comment.

Nobody out in the audience, any public comment online.

I see no hands.

Uh I do see one.

Lisa Chan.

Thank you.

And thank you for for your presentation.

Um, this was this was very interesting.

I was particularly interested in the part about the battery storage that you were saying you don't have it contained like the Vistra one, but I I you used some term like containerized um battery storage and and also compressed air storage.

And I just wondered if you could just briefly elaborate on on what those are and and where yours are.

Thank you.

Okay.

Okay um if you wish you can respond to the last question.

Absolutely so the battery energy storage projects that 3C in 3CE invests in are um I don't know if you've ever toured the Vistra facility but they had um all of their batteries located indoors in one building so when a fire did start thermal runaway occurred and all of the batteries um caught fire after that so the facilities that 3CE is invested in they're entirely different facilities where uh the batteries are actually stored outdoors in individual uh they're basically a large storage unit uh storage container so that if there were to be a fire the batteries would not um experience that thermal runaway that we saw in Mouse Landing where the entire building caught fire um and to answer the second question about the Willow Rock project that project I believe it's located in Kern County and it's not online yet but it's um a way that we're looking at innovative projects that use um storage technology that is not uh lithium um so the way that it works is a bit above my head but I could definitely get you in touch with the um power procurement team but my understanding is they just compress the air and it generates energy that we're able to store and use later in the day and for a more scientific answer I'll get you in touch with the rest of our team.

Thank you.

Yes absolutely uh there's a map of all these projects available on our website and uh we have press releases that share information about some of those exciting projects that are uh new and providing energy to um not just three CE customers but the entire state okay great any other council uh wish to respond yes uh council member thank you very interesting um i did have a couple questions while i was reading before the slides ahead of time so um you mentioned the electrify your fleet and carmel seems to have taken advantage of that and pacific grove has for residents but not for the city correct yes that is correct so there is a residential component and then there is a component that is reserved for the member agencies we agencies we serve like Pacific Grove um and you actually have a programs team member at 3CE and an account manager that is dedicated to serving Pacific Grove so I'd love to get city staff in touch with them and they can talk about the next step in accessing some of those dollars.

Yeah and especially since it seems like we're on a pretty tight deadline to do so now it might be good to um I don't know if we've explored that I we've been talking about getting a trolley but it sounds like with with the timeline looming we may not be able to do that but um I appreciate you kind of bringing this to our attention because that I think would be something if we can find a way to to do more that could electrify some of our vehicles if not an entire fleet um it'd be good to know about that and take advantage while we still have the opportunity and we offer a no cost technical assistance program uh which is the plan your fleet program so that could be a good uh starting point for the city so I'd love to get your team in touch with um Anna Capstick uh who's our programs analyst and she'll definitely walk you through the process okay because it sounded like that could cover chargers too yes absolutely want to electrify our fleet we'll obviously need chargers to then charge them so it sounds like um but I'm sure there's still a cost and we'd have to weigh that so all right thank you so much thank you for your question.

Thank you for the presentation uh I like the fact that uh you grew up in PG now working in Monterey County that's that's a great story in itself um the uh just on the the current administration its policies uh is that actually impacting 3C in itself are you getting funded uh federally and is that causing an impact at your end yeah it's a great question um so at 3CE our funding does come from ratepayers uh the way that it works is when a city decides to enroll with 3CE we automatically take over energy generation services for that community uh so I know PG ⁇ E's uh government relations liaison spoke earlier so PGE is still handling energy transmission and delivery for the city but we have taken over that energy generation portion um so all of our funding comes from customers paying their energy bills however um because the bill sunsets production and investment tax credits for solar and wind projects uh if those projects are harder to develop it could result in increased costs for our customers because that's one way that we're able to uh reduce energy costs for our customers is investing in those solar and wind and battery projects that can we can pass the savings on to our customers okay uh that is helpful and and just from uh from a future perspective uh some point in time I was really following this but um uh somebody had coded that we need X amount of like charging stations in Monterey County to meet a certain goal of like net zero uh are you uh investing in public infrastructure in the Monterey County area yes absolutely so our um our charger fleet program is one way that we do that that's the program that's available exclusively to cities for um charging stations that are public um and then I believe there's also uh funding available for stations that are reserved for

And just from uh from a future perspective, uh some point in time I was really following this, but uh uh somebody had coded that we need X amount of like charging stations in Monterey County to meet a certain goal of like net zero.

Uh are you uh investing in public infrastructure in the Monterey County area?

Yes, absolutely.

So our um our charger fleet program is one way that we do that.

That's the program that's available exclusively to cities for um charging stations that are public.

Um and then I believe there's also uh funding available for stations that are reserved for the city, but I'd have to talk to Anna about that.

But there's also a commercial aspect of that program called the electrify your ride program, where uh local businesses can uh participate in the program.

And I believe it's up to 150,000 towards the purchase of those uh DC fast chargers that can charge an EV up in 45 minutes or less.

Um we are also starting our first um 3CE owned charging program where we're looking at um starting up chargers across our service area for um excuse me by use of the public.

So we're excited about that, but we're absolutely invested in EV charging infrastructure.

That's awesome.

Uh I I just wanted to make a comment and obviously uh I want to ask about the the fire truck, but uh the the fact that like we're always comparing cities and and here's a historic illustration of like Carmel doing something and place if we grow up not doing something.

So maybe the staff can look into some of these electrification items.

Perhaps some of them are are there beyond September too uh that we can use.

It's not necessary to just look at trolleys only, but like there are several city vehicles.

I think some of them are uh have to be replaced anyway.

So maybe this could be a good good opportunity.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tem, is it okay if I add one piece?

Yes.

Um, I do want to make it clear that three CE's programs dollars are not going anywhere.

We will continue to have those available for um commercial, residential, and um the cities we serve, but it's the those federal tax incentives that our customers will often stack.

So um our program will still be available, but it's we're encouraging people to electrify sooner rather than later.

Um, and that impact is mostly to residential and commercial customers and less so to the city.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Uh first of all, thank you for your clarification, answered my very first question.

Um, I also wanted to thank you for your uh electrify your ride uh program and giving me a rebate on my car a little bit.

I appreciate that.

Um my question's kind of uh through I I imagine this would be through Anna Hapstick, but is there a way for you to provide a uh uh maybe an analysis, a report on um how we could do better?

How in other words, how we could take better advantage of the programs that you have.

Um I guess my question would then be to uh uh to the city manager for is can we arrange an interface with uh Anna Hapstick to kind of kind of see how these programs might actually help some of our goals we've got going on right now and maybe provide some opportunities too.

I know we've talked about uh wanting to have our own, well, trolley, but uh our own bus for moving uh uh uh our tourists and our own uh residents around town.

And if this provides a uh a cost effective way to get subsidized on that sort of project, maybe that's something we could get into.

So I guess question would be uh, can you provide like some sort of documentation?

Like if we have an interface with you and they say, okay, here's our needs, can you do a uh kind of a gap analysis on where we want to go versus what can be done?

Yeah, absolutely.

Uh and we have I think the plan your fleet program would be a perfect fit for something like this.

Um and I I didn't mention it during my presentation, but we also have an electric bus program for um transit vehicles, school buses, and uh farm worker transportation buses.

So I think that could also be a really good opportunity for the city.

Um, and yeah, I'll definitely follow up with um the city manager uh tomorrow um and get him in touch with Anna.

Um and she'd be absolutely thrilled.

Question if it has to, if we're doing uh a forestry work, does that fall under the ag uh banner?

So that kind of work would probably be a better fit for PGE funding.

I think that they may have some programs like that for our um ag electrification program.

It's uh local farm owners who participate to buy um electric tractors or um water pumps or chargers for their vehicles.

Got it.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you.

Okay, any other questions or comments?

Okay, thank you very much for your presentation.

Thank you for your time in your breaker.

Thank you.

Yes I am a breaker.

Okay.

Okay that ends our council meeting and everybody have a nice evening.

Thank you.