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Roll call, please, ma'am.

Councilman Councilman Love.

Present.

Councilwoman Mellow.

Present.

Councilman Mayer.

Present.

Councilman Garcia.

Councilman Garcia, I believe will be joining us by Zoom.

Councilwoman Colon Montañez.

President.

And Council President Cher.

President, should we open this rise?

Yes, Heavenly Father.

Thank you, Lord, for the meet this evening.

Father God, we ask you to please guide us with the agenda that has been presented before us in your beloved name we're praying.

Amen.

And to the republic for which is one nation under God in the visible.

We have been asked by the administration uh to redesignate item number 36 as stated on the cover sheet.

Are there any questions?

Are there any questions on the uh revision requested?

Seeing none, we'll accept that for tonight's agenda.

Uh we are up to hearing of citizens.

It is just us.

I think you're going to make a motion to close to this.

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The person who makes these statements will relinquish their line of five minutes for public discussion.

Um if you'd like to just the council, we invite your comments.

We ask you please share with us your name and your name.

Seeing no hands, we move to close the public portion.

Second motion and second, let's just scale it around and make sure this okay.

Councilman Love.

Yes, Councilwoman Mellow, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia Councilman Garcia.

Are you with us councilwoman Colombon Dañez?

Yes, and Council President Cher.

Yes, thank you.

Uh we are up to amendment number five on our agenda ordinance for second and final reading during this required number one proposed ordinance number 25-25 ordinance amending the designation of restricted parking for disabled persons by New Jersey license plate.

Number is there a motion, please to motion open.

Is there a motion to open second?

Motion and second roll call, please.

Councilman Love, yes, Councilwoman Mellow, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia, yes, councilman colommon d'enz.

Yes, Council President Sheer.

Yes, thank you.

Uh we are asked if there's anyone who would like to speak no one here to close now.

Is there a motion to close public hearing?

Yes, motion is above councilman mellow, yes, councilman mayor councilman Garcia, yes, councilman Colombo Danez, yes, and council president share.

Yes, thank you.

On the ordinance is there maker, please.

So move second motion and second, thank you.

Roll call.

Councilman Love, yes, councilman Mellow, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia, yes, yes, councilman Colomboz, yes, and council president share.

Yes, thank you.

Number two, please proposed ordinance number 25-07-44.

Ordinance amendment chapter 317-30 B sub eight, affordable housing mandatory set aside.

Affordable housing mandatory set aside.

Is there motion please to open public hearing?

So move.

Second.

Motion and second to open.

Roll call.

Councilman Love?

Yes.

Councilwoman Mellow?

Yes.

Councilman Mayer?

Yes.

Councilman Garcia?

Yes.

Councilman Colombo Tanes?

Yes.

And Council President Sheer.

Yes, thank you.

Number one.

Questions?

Just the council see not.

Ricky, can you help us with the with what we're looking at?

Yeah, so what happens when you have a sense of most actually a fraction of a unit?

But this does clarify that it has to be a fraction has to be greater than half a units or the come back to me for a moment.

What does that mean?

A fraction.

So when you do a calculation on when you do a calculation for a unit, since it's based on density or acre, sometimes you'll get 1.7 units affordable housing.

So this would indicate that if it was 1.7, it would be two affordable units.

And if it was 1.5 or below, it would be one affordable unit.

So you want to always try to get the additional affordable units if you can't.

So this would clarify that it has to be if any of the uh calculations result in a fraction that it's greater than 0.5.

You round up for the additional unit, you have to give us the additional unit.

You can have the additional affordable.

And any questions for the BA?

Any comments on the ordinance?

If not, or is there a motion to accept the ordinance?

This is to close public order.

Is there a motion to close the public discussion on the ordinance?

Councilman Love?

Yes.

Councilman Mellow?

Yes.

Councilman Mayer?

Yes.

Councilman Garcia?

Yes.

Councilman Colombon Danez?

Yes.

And Council President Sheer.

Thank you.

On the ordinance, please.

Is there a makeup?

So move it.

Motion.

Second.

And second.

Thank you, roll call.

Councilman Love?

Yes.

Councilman Mellow?

Yes.

Councilman Mayor?

Yes.

Councilman Garcia?

Yes.

Councilman Colombon D'Enz?

Yes.

And Council President Shear.

Yes, thank you.

Corrupted communications from Nicholas 6 on our agenda.

Items 3 through 12.

Are there any questions on items 3 through 12?

See man is their motion, please to accept three through 12.

So move it.

Second.

Motion and second roll call.

Councilman Love?

Yes.

Councilman Mellow?

Yes.

Councilman Mayor?

Yes.

Councilman Garcia.

Yes.

Councilman Colombo Danez?

Yes.

And Council President Shear.

Yes, thank you.

Uh on number 15 zoning board of adjustment.

You'll receive notice on this, I believe.

For next meeting, we can have a nominations.

I know that Monk is losing someone, so he would probably be up there.

And love is losing someone, so he would probably be up there if you uh two gentlemen can come up with uh your names for the next go around.

Okay.

Questions on 13 through 21.

Councilman Mayor.

Um 16.

It's the rent revolution board.

Yes, sir.

Is there any feeling how this is going?

House are they seeing a lot of cases?

Are they indicated by the backlog?

Um the complaints going.

They're seeing they're seeing a lot of cases, but they're handling them very well.

Um so it's functioning.

It's functioning the way that the council discussed and it was intended to function.

How exhaustive are the members?

Um I haven't heard a single complaint from any other members.

So they've been functioning.

I mean they'll so what happens a lot of times you may see a lot of cases, but they're all from the same address dealing with the same situation, right?

So they may have 10 cases, but 10 of them could be for apartments one through 10.

So once they resolve the general idea of it, it's just a matter of just uh adjudicating each one with the findings from the previous okay, and majority of these cases are being judged or being decided pro tenant pro landlords.

It's been both.

So uh I think one of the first ones there was a tenant with documentation that was not um what's the best way to put it?

Could not be the the validity of the documents could not be verified by the way the dates and signatures uh looked, so the landlord one because they couldn't prove that you know that's what it is, and then I'm gonna be uh it looks like they falsified some of the records.

So the landlord won because they couldn't prove that you know that's what it is, and then you are I'm I'm sorry.

Uh it looks like they falsified some of the records.

Would those records be related to I'm so sorry?

No, please.

Would it be related to his his status in the United States?

No.

Okay.

No, no, no.

This is specifically with documentation as far as the lease documentation.

How about in terms of someone who rents an apartment?

Um the landlord, you know, wants to charge him a five percent increase, which is over the three of the three person is not does not have all of his uh proper legal documents in terms of citizenship.

Does that in any we don't look at that at all?

We look at the validity of the increase of the rental increase according to our ordinance.

That's it.

So they the there has to be documents provided by both sides regarding you know the the rent, the rent agreement, the you know uh payments of that rent, and what the initial what the initial rent was versus what the uh proposed rents are the there were some exceptions to this ordinance with their rent control increase.

Yes, um I believe there's some state statutes that require um the exemption to be in the original lease, even though the law was passed.

But that's not how that's not how we did our ordinance.

So the because of the situation where the city of Pisake hadn't had a rent control ordinance since 99, it's unfair to property owners that had a property that was younger than 30 years, let's say, because that's what the state statute says.

So in our ordinance, and this council agreed and passed it, um, those that fell under in let's call it the gap years, can send a letter to all of their current tenants and then uh in their upcoming lease renewals put it in all their leases.

So that's how the city of Passakes work because of that gap.

It would be unfair to again.

I I mean I know there was some struggle, and there's pros and cons to everything, but uh as the mayor discussed uh nausea, we tried to make it as balanced as possible with the situation we had ahead.

Well, look, I'm I'm looking at the state statute, it's called the notice of exemption to tenants, and it states like in the original lead, so we need to be there.

So I'm just yeah, so our ordinance is it's our ordinance, we enforce it based on our regulation that we put in for our rent control ordinance, and the state law wouldn't supersede that as far as the original not in our case, not in our case, no, because remember, we could do away with it.

Yeah, not have an ordinance, very mandatory or I don't think I'm being clear.

We created the three percent rent control increase.

The state statute as I read it requires the original lease, not the renewal to have to stipulate make make known that there is this exemption in the lease.

The renewal lease is viewed typically different than the original lease.

So if someone if a landlord was to have an exemption based on the new ordinance, the state law requirement, I believe, from the way I read the ordinance at the state level would require the initial lease, not the renewal, to have that exemption listed in it.

Uh not in our case, right?

So the state law also defers to the municipal local rent uh stabilization ordinance.

So in our case, the way we wrote it, our ordinance is effective.

Okay, I'm trust me, we've had multiple attorneys look at multiple attorneys before we got to this level.

So the municipal law is the original jurisdiction for the rent control ordinance.

Final question on this one.

Have you seen an increase in tax appeals or any such no since this or passed?

We have not no.

So I think um when that happens, it will be way down the road, and it'll probably be more for when a landlord did not keep up with the rent increases, right?

So we have up to three percent.

Some landlords haven't raised their rent in 20 years.

We're looking at some of these numbers in here.

It's one from 473 to 1500.

I mean, rent to 473, I don't care what you're gonna have, is pretty low.

That's what I'm saying, but that's that's on that's on the property owner, but that's why in our in our code, we have uh hardship exemptions for repairs and and things uh for taxes.

There's exemptions that you cannot hardships that you can apply to the rent leveling board to raise it beyond the three percent.

So I mean, we there are different ways to balance those rent control um requests, you know.

Thank you.

Yeah, but think about it if they're at 476 dollars.

When did they rent it for 476 dollars?

Which means you've that you haven't increased that rent since you built since you bought the ARM, and it's you know, it's not funny, but there are landlords that haven't raised the rent, you know, and I could tell you uh typically typically and not all the time.

I don't want to talk, even though I'm gonna talk a little bit in generality, those are your more uh dilapidated buildings, those are your buildings with bigger problems.

Yeah, and typically that's where I when I would when it might be prior, right?

As a housing inspector, that's what you would find the lower, and then it works out typically it works out because the tenant isn't complaining because they got 476 dollar rent, and the landlord isn't complaining because they're not fixing a thing in the property, and the and the tenants tend to fix it, right?

Until the market obviously blows up because uh you know 500 for two bedroom to save was in the 80s, not 2000s, right?

Any other questions, please on 13 through 21?

That would be the case is there in motion, please to accept 13 through 21.

Move it.

Second councilman monk, yes, councilman love, yes, councilwoman mellow, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia, yes, yes, councilman Colombo, yes, and council president Sheer.

Yes, thank you.

We're up to resolutions.

Number 22 is a resolution authorizing closed executive session.

Uh Susie, any reason to close to that?

Thank you, ma'am.

Ricky, no, sir.

Members of the council.

Very good.

On items 23 through 35.

Councilman Mayor, please.

24, just the brief overview of which areas are getting this.

It looks like grant money for the locally and roadway improvements.

You just want like the roads, yeah.

Hold on, I'll tell you right now.

For some reason that page isn't on here for me.

The reason why I ask is because there's a number of uh people that came to this council since I've joined, that had complaints about their specific roads.

Wondering if any of them made it to the list.

So what happens?

Uh I've gone digital, and the one page that I saw in hand with the with the uh information isn't on my thing.

Do you have it?

Yeah, no, it was no it actually had the numbers above it.

I can get you the streets, and so it's uh it's actually a number of streets, so you got the base bid, and then you have three alternates, so it's it's three different roadways.

Uh and I apologize, I don't the document isn't on here, but in either case it was over budget, so we're we're rejecting it so that we can go out to big to get maybe get the alternate the alternates done.

So when you do get the resolution back here that we're we're actually awarding, I'll have that sheet that tally sheet with the streets with it.

So I apologize for that.

There was a gentleman, I believe, who was high street.

He came up here two, three meetings ago.

That's all.

Well, so what's the street you're looking for?

High?

He yeah, gentlemen came.

Um he was complaining about I believe it was high between long stretch, but I think it was high closer to the part that's under construction.

I guess that would be Tennyson in that area.

Give me one second.

I think I so the two roads, it's two roads, and it's Brighton Avenue and Eighth Street.

That's what this one is for.

But I could tell I once I get the the listing of the roadways in the order that we put in for them.

I will I will let you know.

Thank you.

All right, so this one is H and Brighton.

Thank goodness.

Other questions?

Yeah, I just have one councilman.

Uh 23.

This is by no means the question.

Um is not compensated if that's your no just thank you.

That's one.

But also and you think if I can I'll be honest with you, that really wasn't the sorry, it's just a concern.

She does so well in the position that she's in, and will and how can that affect what she does?

Will it affect I don't understand the position that she's in as the director?

Will this position that she's being appointed to affect her ability to perform as she has always done?

Oh no, no, no, absolutely not.

In fact, it's almost it's almost like innate in her current duties to verify uh you know the compliance.

So it's almost like a just want to make sure because that that's and I mean we're talking about this is over a decade old, like she's been doing it great for over again.

How long has she been?

Oh, she's been doing this since the law said we needed one, so it's gotta be at least like over 10 years.

Okay, good.

Yeah, she's been doing the other job so well as well.

All right, see Councilman.

25 is about 8th Street.

I don't know if 24 and 25 are the same.

The 25 is the one about eighth street and brighton would be 26.

Oh, you're right.

You're right.

So the over budget could be I think there might be a problem in the way they wrote this.

I have South Street to Lode Ice Street, and I have Van Howen uh to the dead end of Val Hammond, and they're full depth of reconstructions.

So let me now that's weatherly was kind enough to give me the paperwork.

All right, so local freight, local freight has to be eighth street.

Understood.

Because of the the requirements of that one.

Um yeah, the other one is Brighton Avenue.

So then that means that the 2025 local aid is South Street to Lode Ice Street, Van Haven to the dead end.

South Street's pretty bad.

Yeah.

Are we good on this?

We're still uh okay.

So the one the one that's being uh I just got a uh an email, a text from the engineer.

The bit that's being rejected is Boulevard, Hillsideway, and Howe Avenue.

No, not on a boulevard.

Not the whole thing yet.

I just wrote on it.

It was there parts of Boulevard by Howe Avenue, actually.

Parts of Boulevard by Howe Avenue that are the hospital by the hospital really bad.

Oh that's craters.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that I'm sorry, that's the one that's being rejected.

Thank you.

I know this there's a tremendous amount of work that's going to be upcoming, but do you have any feel that you can share with us in terms of what uh our budget situation looks like?

I just wrote an article where it's close to 10 million dollars short.

Something like that.

Um I think it's clear that the budgets are extremely tight and difficult.

Um so I think it's clear that the budgets are extremely tight and difficult, and um the mayor has made a uh commitment to the council and to the residents of the city about maintaining uh you know under double digit increases, so we are making uh significant changes to the budget, which you'll you'll notice when we present the budget um to get us under that threshold.

So I think the council will will be familiar with the number.

I just don't I can't give you an exact number right now, but you will be familiar with the number.

Um you know, to be on the higher end of the discussions because there's no choice.

I mean, you're looking at an eight million dollar deficit in health benefits alone, um, and we're still negotiating with the union membership to try to see if there can be any changes to that.

So you know, um, I don't know what more I can say because it's negotiations, but I I think uh Susie, I can mention what the vote was, right?

Like what it ended up being.

Yeah, so every union voted it down except for the police, which we're still actively negotiating with them for their vote, and uh we've made a change to the proposal that next week we hope to present to the fire department, both fire department unions, and and then move on to the rest of uh the city hall unions if if we can get agreement from the police and fire unions.

The reason I mention that is because obviously the cuts are different if we do some if there are some changes to the medical, because quite frankly, the the almost almost the entire increase of our budget is due to medical benefits.

Like you'll see, I mean, you'll see it.

I mean, where you're gonna find eight million dollars from one, you know, we would normally put roughly anywhere between five to eight percent increases, and we're at 30, 35, 36 percent increases.

There's no, and I'm talking about for the health benefits.

So we're looking at roughly um we're roughly that's roughly the difference between one year thing or another.

We're how's our surplus reserves.

Um reserves, yeah.

Our reserves are being used every day.

Like we're so we're we're going to be we're going the right now.

Uh the last budget used up, I think 13 million plus of surplus, and we anticipate at least that much.

But what happens, what happens is the tighter the budget, the less regeneration of surplus we have.

So if one year we brought in nine million dollars and we cut everything, there's nowhere to go, so there's no regeneration for the usage of that, and all that means for the public is that I don't have enough to put back in the savings account, right?

Because we all know reserve is the saving account.

I need enough money from you know what we bring in to put into the the savings account.

So the tighter the budget, the less regeneration of surplus.

That's so we're where are we holding though?

We we that thing was uh we were using we we're so so and these are why some of the things, and obviously, I think we're getting a little deep into numbers that I can't give you with certainty because we're still working through them, but there's uh a multitude of things.

Uh some of the good things, let's talk about your tax implications with like appeals.

You said um we have a significant boost in added assessments, which means all the work that this administration, you know, the mayor's put forward and the council's uh approved has not deterred people from investing in the city of PSAC, adding additional um tax rateables to the municipality.

And I'm not just talking about the big developments, I'm talking about additions, these are added assessments, so it's anything that brings value to any of the properties, and what that does, what that does is it uh in the way that the taxes are balanced, and we present let's say we present a 10% tax increase, right?

Which we already I said I used a big number on purpose because that's not our number, right?

You may only feel a nine percent tax increase because of the added assessments, right?

The way that because the more uh uh added assessments you have, the greater the spread of the tax base is because you're not making me feel better.

That's actually very good.

That's actually very well if the assessment means if you're the assessments if the assessments end up on people that don't live in the city, frankly, that's great.

But if the lives it's to the homeowner, if it's to myself or the residents who are already so that you know we end up with another.

So that's so that's so you I can give you a good like indication.

The big developments from the bigger developers bring in the most added assessments.

Yes, when you do an addition in your house, you get an added assessment, but it takes many, many, many, many of them to compare to like one added assessment of a brand new major, you know, major development, right?

So and I know that if the mayor were here, he would be quick to tell everyone that he tried multiple times with the league of municipalities to try to get a some sort of tax moratorium for for residential residents, you know, single two family residences, yeah, right.

Um but that that hasn't happened as of yet, and I know we've submitted it at least on two or three different occasions.

I know assemblyman share has even signed onto the bill to do that, but it hasn't happened.

So those are the tax implications.

But but basically, the whole moral of the story is the greater the added assessments, the less you feel on your tax bill generally, like throughout.

So the person who gets the added assessments obviously gonna get more assessment because they they they added value, but then the one that didn't that's sitting there, right?

And now you get a 10% tax increase, their tax bill, even though our budget went up 10%, their tax bill is only gonna show a nine percent increase because the that one percent was offset by that added assessment of that bigger building.

I hope I'm explaining that because it's a little more complicated sometimes than um so that's good, but that isn't gonna meet a 10 million dollar, I mean an eight million dollar budget gap for health benefits, right?

Like that's not number two in the state report.

The second reason for increases in insurance claims is GLP one medications, no generics, brand names, and everybody wants them.

Yeah, that's the that's the number of things.

That's the funny thing.

There are doctors that are feel exactly the way you say no, no, no, my patient has to have this.

Uh, and then what happens is we we go through a whole process, at least in the city of Passake, where they submit to the carrier, the carrier comes to us, we have to look, they gotta tell us why, why yes, why not?

The doctors gives us letters.

So it's not like we automatically say, yeah, yeah, I give, right?

If it's one of those like very expensive brands, there's a there's like a trigger where it pumps the brinks, and then the insurance carrier for our prescription is like, wait, you the why not generic?

And then they we now we but just the process requires the doctor to send additional information and why they can't use the generic drug and things of that nature, but you are correct, and then after that, you have your liability insurances, your workers' comp claims, which are for us as a city employer also.

So you got eight million dollars from that, and about 1.2 million dollars for the for the general liability insurance claims.

So I'm almost at I'm almost at 10 million dollars, and we haven't even opened up the books to do anything.

They expect us to plateau at some point, I expect the state to eliminate the health benefits plan.

I think um I I can't see it.

That that was supposed to have happened already, right?

Because I don't know if um I know the the count the the other council members were here when we had the discussion when they first went up the 24%.

They were supposed to give us a reprieve, and when I say they the state, right?

Uh, but then so many other municipalities moved out of the state plan that there was no reprieve.

So we got 24% that year, and then the following year, when we were supposed to get and and and for the council members, if you recall, we went into our trust our health benefits trust account and took two million dollars out of there because they were gonna make it up for us the following year, and instead of making it up, they went up six percent.

So now in two years I'm at 30 percent.

Well, this year's 35% with nothing else, just so you see how it's compounding, right?

Yep.

Um, and it's out of our control, like for us to be able to maintain to bring that down to a reasonable level, right?

There would be no services because the amount of people you'd have to remove would put any city, and again, just so we're clear and it's clear for the public.

This is not just for the city of Passake.

This is a crisis that is happening throughout the entire state of New Jersey, you know.

So this is something that all municipalities, I mean, council president opened up with our neighbor sister city, what their struggles are, and we've brought up other cities every year.

We bring up other cities and what they're where they're at, and they're in the double digits.

And you know, I know the mayor's direction was very clear.

I hope you see it when we break into the uh the budget and the budget presentation.

It was, you know, we also can't there everybody's suffering, right?

We we keep talking about the price of eggs, right?

We're all paying for the price of eggs.

So not only did ours go up six million dollars, but the percentage that all our employees paid went up as well.

So now they're seeing less in their checks, right?

So if that's happening to us, that's happening everywhere else.

Now the residents also are struggling to pay.

So it's did that answer.

I know I probably went down a rabbit hole, but I was just answering questions as I was getting them.

Um the best thing I say, we're in better shape than uh a lot of other towns, but we're not in great shape by any means because of that, right?

So we are budgeting appropriately.

We're we're we're we are uh good fiscal stewards of the taxpayer dollars, but who can you know and you're exploring other means of revenue, we're all I mean that's a constant, right?

But remember, there's only the main source of income for a municipality is taxes.

So the idea is how do you offset that somewhere else when you get an eight million dollar unknown increase, you know, unanticipated, not unanticipated increase.

Um, and then we shop around our health benefits.

I could tell the council that every single year through every year we put out the city for sick out for to reduce health benefits costs, and this is the only year because of those increases that we have an opportunity to get out of the state plan, but because of contractual obligations, we can't just leave.

So I'll give you I'll give you perspective.

I'll give you some of why if we have the majority of the employees here have a direct 10 plan, right?

Okay, to grab that same direct 10 plan and put it to an Aetna plan outside of the health benefits plan, it's 6.8 million dollars versus 8 million dollars, right?

So it's not like it's we're not saving money, we're just trying less.

So I still gotta find 6.8 million dollars, even if we go to give you the same exact plan.

But but then you would say, but Rick, that's two million dollars, right?

Like right away, why wouldn't we do that?

Because it's very simple, because that's the cost, but we become self-insured.

So we need to fund our full exposure for that year, and when we did that math, it went to nine million dollars, which is a million dollars more than just staying in the state plan.

Right.

So just the initial year.

That's for the initial year, and then what happens you're self-insured.

So what happens is your claims history is reviewed on every single year.

And depending on your claims history, depends on how much you're gonna go up the following year.

See, it's like car insurance.

It's like car, yes, it is.

Yeah, more the higher your claims, the higher you cost.

Um, and what's happening now in the state health benefits plan, if you keep that same train of thought, uh thought our claims aren't atrocious, they're not great, but they're not atrocious.

But now we're with the majority of individuals that can't go out of your claims.

Now we're with higher claims.

So, in um in a time where economies of scale were great because it reduced everybody's claims, right?

Because the one town that had low claims this year offset the town that had high claims next year.

Now you everybody could get out, got out, and now you have all the high claims left.

All together, and they got offset that right, besides the fact that the the municipal because the state health benefits plan is broken up into two sections, the state and the municipal, and the state lent 200 million dollars to the municipal side of the state health benefits, right?

That that has to be paid back.

Councilwoman Maha, please.

Well, you just touching on my on that I was about to ask have you explored common self-insured?

Um, because I as we know that staying with the state, it's really but you just explained that yes, there may be savings, but that saving in the long term we will have to, especially because it'll be our first year.

You have to kind of fund that bucket.

You have to fund it completely, and that's why it was right.

So the only way that it works is by changing the plan, which requires point word, which requires approval from all the units.

Did I yes?

It's okay.

Councilman.

Yeah, just um uh Mr.

Fernandez, you touched on it in terms of the re-evaluation and assessment of properties, but my question was a little more direct.

Um over the years, we've launched several pilot programs.

Do we have a projection of uh when we're gonna start getting larger uh how do you say revenue from some of those plans, or do we have any on the table that may help with this this year's budget?

So we're getting it now.

So to answer your question, we're getting in now.

That's what that's all part of that added assessment that we're talking about, and additional income off of taxes, right?

Uh so we're getting it now.

Typically, the way that we negotiate our pilots here is we never go below what we're currently getting.

So the city of Passake, the way all the voted on before, we kind of the the starting point is what we're getting now.

So we're never getting less than what we got previously, and then it only goes up from there.

Uh typically the first handful of years is the build-up of the property, then uh the middle years, it's kind of like a split the baby kind of thing, and then in the latter years, we're getting we're we actually lose money on the pilot ends.

Okay, because that kind of levels, yeah, and then it becomes because the uh the way our tax bill breaks down is school, county, and municipal, and because a large portion of the state, a large portion of the state uh of the board of budget is paid by the state, the municipal budget portion is 60 over 60 percent of the tax bill.

So what happens is in a in a pilot without the pilot, we're getting 60 percent with the pilot, we're getting 95 percent.

So when you negotiate you start leveling off, we're now getting 95 percent of that money.

So whenever whenever you see the 60 percent marker, now you know we're breaking even and then going on other way.

So that's why typically towards the end, we try to fit in a lot of 80 to 90 percent of taxes otherwise due because that means we'll we will we will be getting 20 to 30 percent more in those last let's say eight to ten years than we would if we didn't have the pilot, so hence at the end of the pilot, we would be making less, right?

Okay, gotcha.

Thank you.

Other questions on what things look like in the near future?

Items 23 through 35.

Are there any questions, please?

See nine is commanders their motion, please to accept 23 through 35.

So move second motion second vocal please, councilman monk, yes, councilman love, yes, councilman mellow, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia, yes, yes, councilman Colomo Daniel, yes, and council president shear.

Yes, thank you.

First reading, number 36 ordinance amending the designation of restricted parking for two simple persons, I know just like this claim number second final meeting to be February 3rd, yes, correct February 3rd.

Is there a motion please to accept for sit down?

So move motion second and second, thank you, Robson Monk, yes, councilman love, yes, councilman Melo, yes, councilman mayor, yes, councilman Garcia, yes, councilwoman Galomo D's and Council President Sheer.

Yes, thank you.

Penning of bills, are there any questions on the bills?

Senior Lights is their motion, please accept the bills as presented by the clerk, yes.

Motion and second roll call, please.

Councilman Monk, yes, councilman love, yes, councilwoman Mellow, yes, councilman mayor.

Oh January 20.

Councilman Garcia.

Yes.

Councilman Colombon Daz?

Yes.

And Council President Shear.

Yes, thank you.

Uh the mayor is unfortunately not with us tonight.

Um, but he's good.

It's such a credible good thing to forget.

Are there any other uh issues tonight?

We're gonna try to arrange uh discussion period um during each of our meetings with an update on the budget.

Um business administrator intended very clearly.

Um and all of us are going to be questioned, I know by our friends and neighbors, and that it's something to at least we want you to be educated to have those uh those responses.

Um we've always worked together as a council, I shouldn't say always, but we've traditionally worked together with the council, at least in the past 20-30 years, to our credit.

Um, and we've always taken the belief that we stand together.

Uh meeting together together we can get things done.

Um that being the case to know Council President, just just real fast.

Will you be assigned in an aha committee?

Um for on the uh budget, yes, okay, and if I may just before closures, um last night um just want to congratulate, make it public our um commissioner Christina Schratz was sworn in at the county, so it's a historical date for Passake, which lots of luck is um you know the SIG has representation up in the county, so that took place yesterday, so congratulations and just wanted to awesome.

We are uh the first woman from the city of Tessa, yes, um not to mention the first amendment economy, yes, we are all very proud.

Very proud, very proud.

Is there a uh motion, please to adjourn?

So more motion and second roll call to adjourn.

Councilman Love, yes, Councilman Monk, yes, Councilwoman Mellow, yes, Councilman Mayor, yes, Councilman Garcia, yes, Councilman Colombon D'Annez and Council President Shear.

Yes, this meeting is adjourned.