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Payson Town Council Regular Meeting – March 12, 2025

Town Council & Planning and ZoningWednesday, March 12, 2025
BodyPayson, Arizona
SessionTown Council & Planning and Zoning
DateWednesday, March 12, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
3:55

That would be good.

3:57

It's always so hot in here now.

4:04

This meeting of the common council, the town of Payson, to order.

4:38

Is he stuck in the overflow room?

5:00

Please rise.

5:01

Oh.

5:08

Our kind and gracious Heavenly Father, we bow before thee and give thee thanks for the many blessings that thou has given us.

5:15

Father, we're grateful for this opportunity to gather as a council, as a town employees and as a community to discuss the affairs of this town.

5:26

And we are so grateful for this beautiful place in which we live and the many wonderful things it offers us.

5:34

And Father, we ask that thou will bless us with the spirit to be guided and directed in our decision making and that we will constantly look for ways to uh better our town, better our community and uplift our fellow brothers and sisters.

5:54

Father, we're grateful for the many people who serve in our public safety departments, and we ask that thou watch over and protect them.

6:06

That as they are uh looking out for us, that will watch out for them.

6:11

And Father, we pray that uh tonight we will be enlightened by thy spirit and and be able to listen uh to the community, listen to the staff and listen to each other as we make our decisions again.

6:27

Uh we're so grateful for all that thou has blessed us with.

6:31

We're grateful for our Savior Jesus Christ, and please help us to be more like him and as we as we interact with one another, that we will be kind and compassionate and understanding in these things we pray for and do so in the name of thy son Jesus Christ.

6:48

Amen.

6:57

And to the Republic for Nation on God with liberty justice for all.

7:11

Would you give the roll call?

7:12

Let the record show that all council members are present.

7:15

Uh Vice Mayor classes uh electronically via view.

7:19

Okay, thank you.

7:25

Time for call to the public.

7:28

Uh allow citizens the opportunity to speak on any issues within the legal authority and jurisdiction of the town of Payson.

7:38

I'm gonna ask that comments are directed to policy, not personalities.

7:45

We want the remarks to be civil and uh we are eager to hear your comments.

7:53

You'll be coming to the podium, you'll address the council and uh uh myself, not addressing fellow members in the audience.

8:04

So with that said, uh I'm gonna open call to the public.

8:11

Uh Cindy Linford.

8:23

Okay, my husband.

8:24

Oh, first of all, Cindy Linthair, um, citizen of Payson.

8:27

My husband told me that I lost l I forgot um the meeting last.

8:32

Um I um like uh I'll close the um anyway.

8:40

I uh missed last meeting, and he said all that's already talked about, but the thoughts that I come through at 2 a.m.

8:47

Um anyway.

8:48

Um I just wanted to um give you a thoughts on my police chief um thing, and perhaps you've thought about this.

8:54

I'm sure you have um at two in the morning, just like me.

8:58

Um our police department and fire department are obviously like over staff um understaffed, and we really need the police department, we need people who can kick indoors and like jump fences, and that means like younger people, I think.

9:14

Um that and I have not read the resumes of like people that we have in currently, and I had not read the resume or the requirements for police chief.

9:25

Um, but it just seems to me that um that um when I'm working a job, um, I want to um like move up in the department or the company.

9:39

I always want to do that.

9:41

Um, and perhaps that would be a way to find um police chief um here within case.

9:49

Thank you.

9:50

Thank you.

10:09

Mayor and council, thank you for your time.

10:12

I just wanted to come up and uh bring up a point that uh I've watched over the years with the council and with uh tax money.

10:21

In the past, we've taken the tax when we raised it.88.

10:25

We took the tax, and the purpose of that was to pay down the PR or PSPRS system.

10:32

A year or two later, that money was just rolled into the general fund.

10:39

The general fund should not increase the staff's credit card.

10:43

What we should be doing is putting that into a silo.

10:46

That tax money for the 80.88% and the one percent should both be going into a silo so you know exactly how much we've collected and where exactly it's gonna go.

10:58

Not mixed and co-mingled, co-mingled into uh the entire system of the town.

11:05

So if you do that in a year from now, you'll know where we're at, how much we collected, and where it's going.

11:12

So please try doing that.

11:14

Um that's it.

11:15

Thank you.

11:16

Thank you.

11:32

John Pajerski's in the overflow room.

11:35

If somebody would would bring him over, and we'll I'll call Charlie Serafin.

11:54

And the overflows, okay.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Wildfire Prevention████████████████████████████28%
Pension Management█████████████████████21%
Trail Development██████████10%
Public Safety████████8%
Budget Equity Analysis█████5%
Surveillance Technology█████5%
Procedural███3%
Public Engagement███3%
Community Engagement███3%
Summary of Proceedings

Payson Town Council Regular Meeting – March 12, 2025

The Payson Town Council met on March 12, 2025, at 4:04 p.m. in the Town Hall Council Chambers, recessing at 6:00 p.m. and reconvening at 6:08 p.m., with adjournment at 9:02 p.m. The meeting featured presentations on the Public Safety Personnel Retirement System (PSPRS), the Payson Area Trails System (PATS) update, and wildfire fuels reduction efforts, followed by the unanimous approval of two grant resolutions.

Consent Calendar

  • Minutes of January 15–22, 2025 meetings: Approved 7–0.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Cindy Linford expressed concern regarding the Police Chief vacancy and Police Department staffing shortage, suggesting promoting advancement opportunities within the department.
  • Guy Pfister voiced concern that the 0.88% sales tax funding the PSPRS should be in its own silo, not co-mingled in the General Fund.
  • Charlie Seraphin questioned Council’s spending priorities, citing expenses for consultants, temporary staff, and studies, and encouraged reducing wasteful spending to generate revenue. He stated Payson “isn’t broke” but priorities are “out of whack.”
  • John Pajerski commented on the destruction of trees at the Juniper Pines Development on Highway 260 and asked who issued the “at-risk” building permit, what penalties would apply if the developer fails to complete the build, and submitted a printed copy of an email requesting answers.
  • Sharon Arnz spoke on affordable housing, inquiring about the status of various housing projects (Juniper Pines, Tyler Parkway Rhythmia Village, Doll Baby Road development, Pinion Creek property, manufactured homes near Rumsey Park, Main Street apartments, hospital housing, and two hotel projects) and whether Council would approve developer plans.
  • Inga Chouinard requested clear answers as to why Payson’s tax rate is the seventh highest in the state with a deficit despite taxes raised in anticipation of a bond that never materialized. She also asked about the status and process for recruiting a new Town Manager and who makes hiring decisions; she believed Charlie Seraphin should have been hired as Interim Town Manager.
  • Zackery Wilson commented on Capital Funding for Granite Dells Trails, stating trails are critical to the town’s success and economy, and requested Council approve funding reflecting residents’ requests.
  • Tom Dunning stressed the dangers of a fire in Payson and urged the community to follow Fire Department and Town recommendations for funding even without federal grants.
  • Mike Quinn requested the Town enforce ordinances requiring property owners to clean up junk yards and messy properties to improve property values, community appearance, and decrease fire and rodent risks.

Discussion Items

  • Town Manager’s Report: Acting Town Manager Sheila DeSchaaf summarized articles highlighting various departments, including the Rim Country Community Wildfire Symposium (April 12), streets department late-winter storm management, Parks and Rec improvements (remodeling central restroom at Green Valley Park, repairs on pedestrian bridges at Rumsey Park), and spring soccer registration (387 participants, 26 teams). The report also noted 135 active land use projects.
  • Proclamations:
    • Council Member Bell read a proclamation declaring March 2025 as the 23rd Annual March for Meals Month. Janice Chesser, Director of Development of the Payson Senior Center, accepted and thanked Parks and Rec for assisting with the first annual March for Meals.
    • Council Member Flaherty read a proclamation declaring March 29, 2025 as National Vietnam War Veterans Day. Art Schaier, Chairman of the Elks Lodge, shared Vietnam War statistics (2.7 million served, 58,000 killed, 300,000 wounded) and invited the community to a celebration on March 29 from 12:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. at the Elks Lodge.
  • PSPRS Presentation: Finance Director Dana Ohanesian introduced Clark Partridge, Senior Executive Consultant with PSPRS, who presented on how the pension and unfunded liability are calculated. Key points: the funded status improved from 50.8% to 54.4% for police and 63.3% to 65.4% for fire; additional contributions ($450,000 police, $150,000 fire) helped; salary increases above actuarial estimates negatively impact funded status; Payson selected a 20-year amortization schedule (12 years remaining); no penalty for non-payment of unfunded liability except reduced investment earnings; the town typically votes to make a $600,000 additional contribution from the General Fund annually; the 0.88% sales tax generates approximately $1.54 million annually (based on $17.5 million in TPT revenue). Council Member Ferris asked if everyone could be placed on a defined contribution program; Partridge stated such a change would require a statute change. It was confirmed Payson is on track to pay off the unfunded liability within 20 years, but gains/losses are continually amortized.
  • Payson Area Trails System (PATS) Update: Parks and Recreation Director Steve Richardson reported on PATS history, progress, and development. Collaborative efforts yielded a $550,000 grant from Arizona State Parks and Trails for trail planning, development, and maintenance. The Rim Country Trail Fund (RCTF) was formed as a new 501(c)(3). The USFS approved eight miles of social trails and six miles of new trails in the Boulders area. An application for an ATIIP federal grant for design and engineering of a paved multiuse path on Granite Dells and Rumsey connection is pending. A Capital Improvement Project (CIP) was requested to fund design and engineering of Cypress and Granite Dells Trailheads. Trevor Creighton of Rim Country Mountain Biking Association spoke on economic benefits: non-motorized trail users contribute to sales and bed taxes; the Highline Trail was featured in Single Tracks Magazine (reach of 43 million); $150,000 grant awarded for additional loops; partnerships with Rim Country Middle School Outdoor Adventure Club and REI employees for maintenance; annual Highline Hold'em mountain bike poker run attracts 200 participants. Angie Abel of USFS reported on funding for new trails and parking at Granite Dells, noting additional funds needed; the goal is to prevent motorized use, increase public awareness, reduce congestion on Phoenix Street, and connect Granite Dells Trails to PATS. Council members commended the working group. Michael Browning (Pine Strawberry Fuel Reduction, RCTF VP) emphasized the need for a local volunteer trail crew and funding for tools. Amber Halberson and Anna Van Zile (RCTF President) spoke in support, with Van Zile requesting Council approve the CIP. Patrick Vogel agreed trails are important.
  • Firewise Fuels Reduction Presentation: Fire Chief David Staub and Fuels Manager Kevin McCully presented on wildfire prevention. McCully reviewed wildfire history (1990 Dude Fire, 2002 Rodeo-Chediski, 2004 Willow Fire, 2020 Bush and Piles fires), factors affecting fire behavior, and methods of control. He reported on grant challenges: grants are cumbersome, each property eligible only once, and costs often exceed grant amounts. The town has a fuel mitigation code adopted in 2020; enforcement sent 81 letters, 75 mitigated through cooperation, five in progress, one in litigation. McCully proposed a fuels crew (similar to Flagstaff, Pinetop-Lakeside, Prescott) costing approximately $1 million initially and $750,000 annually for four people and an engine. Chief Staub noted the building hardening code will be presented in April; approval of mitigation codes improves insurability and grant prospects. Risk assessments are continuous; the wildfire outlook is currently lower due to recent snow. Evacuation planning uses Ready, Set, Go levels; Gila Alerts registration is encouraged. Chief Staub is working with Hannah Lusk on a forward-facing evacuation plan. The Rim Country Community Wildfire Symposium is scheduled for April 12, 2025, at Gila Community College. Jeff Robbins commented that the grant process is not reliable and urged funding a fuel crew from the 1% sales tax.
  • Resolution No. 3435 – Local Border Support Grant: Police Commander Josh Haines requested acceptance of a $125,600 grant from the Arizona Department of Public Safety, with $75,000 for Flock License Plate Recognition (LPR) cameras and $50,600 for overtime related to interdiction and human smuggling investigations. The cameras (18 units) will be leased at $54,000 to $61,000 per year; billing starts when cameras go live (anticipated February/March 2026). Haines stated LPR technology is a key tool for law enforcement on smuggling corridors (Highways 87 and 260). Flock representative Mark Solano noted alert notifications for Amber and Silver Alerts. IT Director Jeff Benedict confirmed the subscription covers all entry/egress points. The motion carried 7–0.
  • Resolution No. 3436 – OHV Grant: Commander Haines requested acceptance of an $86,000 grant from Arizona State Parks Board (Off-Highway Vehicle Recreation Fund), with an $8,600 town match, to purchase a side-by-side vehicle for enforcement, education, and access to difficult-to-reach areas. The vehicle will be used for OHV law enforcement, reckless driving enforcement, and public education. Discussion included outfitting with a stretcher: Chief Staub recommended against it for maneuverability. The motion carried 7–0.

Key Outcomes

  • Consent Agenda: Approved 7–0.
  • Resolution 3435 (Local Border Support Grant): Approved 7–0. The Town will accept $125,600 for LPR cameras and overtime, with a one-year lease commitment for Flock cameras.
  • Resolution 3436 (OHV Grant): Approved 7–0. The Town will accept $86,000 with an $8,600 match to purchase a side-by-side vehicle and equipment.
  • PSPRS Presentation: Council received information and will consider additional contributions during budget discussions. No formal action was taken.
  • PATS Update: Council acknowledged the presentation and CIP request; no formal vote, but support was expressed for continued trail development.
  • Firewise Update: Council received information; Chief Staub indicated a building hardening code will be presented in April. No formal action taken on the proposed fuels crew or grant support, though Council was encouraged to reach out to legislators.

Meeting Transcript

That would be good. It's always so hot in here now. This meeting of the common council, the town of Payson, to order. Is he stuck in the overflow room? Please rise. Oh. Our kind and gracious Heavenly Father, we bow before thee and give thee thanks for the many blessings that thou has given us. Father, we're grateful for this opportunity to gather as a council, as a town employees and as a community to discuss the affairs of this town. And we are so grateful for this beautiful place in which we live and the many wonderful things it offers us. And Father, we ask that thou will bless us with the spirit to be guided and directed in our decision making and that we will constantly look for ways to uh better our town, better our community and uplift our fellow brothers and sisters. Father, we're grateful for the many people who serve in our public safety departments, and we ask that thou watch over and protect them. That as they are uh looking out for us, that will watch out for them. And Father, we pray that uh tonight we will be enlightened by thy spirit and and be able to listen uh to the community, listen to the staff and listen to each other as we make our decisions again. Uh we're so grateful for all that thou has blessed us with. We're grateful for our Savior Jesus Christ, and please help us to be more like him and as we as we interact with one another, that we will be kind and compassionate and understanding in these things we pray for and do so in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen. And to the Republic for Nation on God with liberty justice for all. Would you give the roll call? Let the record show that all council members are present. Uh Vice Mayor classes uh electronically via view. Okay, thank you. Time for call to the public. Uh allow citizens the opportunity to speak on any issues within the legal authority and jurisdiction of the town of Payson. I'm gonna ask that comments are directed to policy, not personalities. We want the remarks to be civil and uh we are eager to hear your comments. You'll be coming to the podium, you'll address the council and uh uh myself, not addressing fellow members in the audience. So with that said, uh I'm gonna open call to the public. Uh Cindy Linford. Okay, my husband. Oh, first of all, Cindy Linthair, um, citizen of Payson. My husband told me that I lost l I forgot um the meeting last. Um I um like uh I'll close the um anyway. I uh missed last meeting, and he said all that's already talked about, but the thoughts that I come through at 2 a.m. Um anyway. Um I just wanted to um give you a thoughts on my police chief um thing, and perhaps you've thought about this. I'm sure you have um at two in the morning, just like me. Um our police department and fire department are obviously like over staff um understaffed, and we really need the police department, we need people who can kick indoors and like jump fences, and that means like younger people, I think. Um that and I have not read the resumes of like people that we have in currently, and I had not read the resume or the requirements for police chief. Um, but it just seems to me that um that um when I'm working a job, um, I want to um like move up in the department or the company. I always want to do that. Um, and perhaps that would be a way to find um police chief um here within case. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor and council, thank you for your time. I just wanted to come up and uh bring up a point that uh I've watched over the years with the council and with uh tax money. In the past, we've taken the tax when we raised it.88. We took the tax, and the purpose of that was to pay down the PR or PSPRS system. A year or two later, that money was just rolled into the general fund. The general fund should not increase the staff's credit card. What we should be doing is putting that into a silo.

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