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Payson Town Council Regular Meeting - May 14, 2025

Town Council & Planning and ZoningWednesday, May 14, 2025
BodyPayson, Arizona
SessionTown Council & Planning and Zoning
DateWednesday, May 14, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
53:58

To order, may 14th, twenty twenty-five.

54:04

We call for the invocation.

54:07

Pastor Lindo Arson.

54:25

Okay.

54:47

And good for all.

54:49

May we all act with love for the common good, so that we may be good neighbors, helping to serve the best interest of all.

55:00

May all members here be open to diverse perspectives and make decisions with integrity, fairness, and commitment to the common good.

55:11

We thank you again for this council, our mayor, staff, first responders, hospital staff, and all those who work in this place that we call home to make it such a blessing.

55:25

By the power of the Spirit who is at work among us, we ask for courage, strength, and resilience, so that we may proceed today, heeding God's call for justice and resolving to work untiringly together for peace and community.

55:46

Amen.

56:24

Since we have such a full house, we're going to go to item D first and do the ceremonial announcements, presentations, and introductions.

56:37

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm here.

56:40

Roll call, please.

56:41

Where's the thing?

56:42

Let the record reflect that all council members are present except Vice Mayor Susie Tubbs.

56:48

Thank you for reminding me.

56:52

Now can I go to D?

56:54

Thank you.

57:04

So we have a presentation for Western War Days.

57:12

Shut me out.

57:14

Adventure month.

57:16

Adventure month.

57:16

Okay.

57:24

Who's reading Adventure Month?

57:26

Is that for you, Jim?

57:28

Oh, oh, I got the site.

57:30

No, I've got I've got rodeo committee.

57:34

Okay, I got I got it.

57:38

Okay.

57:39

Whereas the strength of our nation and the great state of Arizona is in its people, culture, and community.

57:47

And we celebrate, and whereas we celebrate the beauty and splendor of the great nature we are surrounded by and all that Payson has to offer.

57:57

And whereas it is fitting and proper to celebrate all the exciting adventures and events that the town of Payson has to offer.

58:07

And whereas the Town of Payson's economic development division and parks and recreation in partnership with Axis Culture Group are proud to present Adventure Pace and Month.

58:21

Now, therefore, I Stephen Otto, Mayor of the Town of Pays, and do hereby proclaim May 2025 as Adventure Pace and Month in Payson and encourage all to celebrate and be a part of Adventure Pace and Month to welcome all our visitors and to enjoy our fun-filled community.

58:44

In witness thereof, I have hereto set my hand and cause to be affixed the great seal of the town of Pace in Arizona on this fourteenth day of May.

59:07

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

59:09

We're here really excited for this proclamation.

59:11

This is our third year for Adventure Pays and Month.

59:15

The celebration was created to mark the start of our busy and fun summer season.

59:21

We highlight special events, outdoor experiences, and all the things that are going on in the community.

59:28

We're proud to promote everything our town has to offer from scenic trails, festivals, fun family activities, and adventure peace of month helps kick it all off.

59:38

We do have our visitor center open house this Friday from 10 to 2, and then we have a short video to share with you that we use to help promote Payson.

59:47

As of this morning, this video has over 56,000 views.

1:01:02

Very nice, thank you.

1:01:17

If the rodeo committee would like to come up, I'll read yours next.

1:01:32

We'll come right up close, David.

1:01:33

Well up close.

1:01:34

We like it.

1:01:42

Okay, proclamation.

1:01:44

Whereas the Pays and Road Pro Rodeo Committee is a vital part of our community and is promoting our Western heritage through sponsorship of the Pays and Spring Rodeo Gary Hart Memorial.

1:01:57

And whereas all proceeds from this professional rodeo will be awarded for Gary Hart Memorial Scholarships and charitable and educational purposes to underprivileged and needy individuals residing in Gila.

1:02:11

And whereas the Pays and Pro Rodeo Committee is a collaborative, mutually beneficial association for the promotion and perpetuation of the Western rodeo and lifestyles.

1:02:25

Now, therefore, I, Mayor Stephen Otto of the Town of Payson, Arizona, to hereby proclaim May twelfth through seventeenth, twenty twenty-five as Payson Western Wear Days in Payson and urge all citizens of our community to give full regard to the past and continuing service provided by the Pays and Rodeo Committee.

1:02:47

And witness thereof, I've hereeto set my hand and cause the great seal of the town of Payson, Arizona to be a fix this fourteenth day of May twenty twenty-five.

1:03:22

And there's your proclamation.

1:03:36

Thank you.

1:03:38

Thank you so much.

1:03:39

Thank you so much.

1:03:41

You guys have appreciated all that you guys do.

1:03:45

Thank you.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Airport Management██████████████████████████████30%
Parks and Recreation████████████████████████24%
Wildfire Prevention███████████11%
Code Enforcement██████6%
Community Engagement███3%
Public Safety███3%
Fiscal Sustainability███3%
Capital Improvement███3%
Procedural██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Payson Town Council Regular Meeting - May 14, 2025

The Payson Town Council held a regular meeting on May 14, 2025, at 4:05 p.m. in the Town Hall Council Chambers. The meeting lasted until approximately 10:19 p.m. and covered a wide range of topics including proclamations, public comments, fee schedules, zoning changes, wildfire structure hardening, airport hangar management, and aquatic center location selection. Council members present: Mayor Stephen Otto, Council Members Charlie Bell, Jim Ferris, Brett Flaherty, Dallin Haws, Scott Nossek, and Vice Mayor Susan "Suzy" Tubbs (joined via Zoom at 5:02 p.m.).

Ceremonial; Announcements; Presentations; Introductions

  • D.1 Proclamation declaring May 2025 as Older Americans Month, accepted by Janice Chesser of Payson Senior Center. She reported on upcoming activities including a talent show, lunch for 90, senior prom, and annual meeting; membership is $15/year for individuals 50 and finer.
  • D.2 Proclamation recognizing May as Payson Adventure Month, accepted by Doni Wilbanks, Steve Richardson, and Julie Leonard. A promotional video has received over 506,000 views.
  • D.3 Proclamation declaring May 12-17, 2025 as Payson Western Wear Days, accepted by the Payson Pro Rodeo Committee. 267 contestants expected at the Gary Hardt Memorial Spring Rodeo (May 15-17).
  • D.4 Proclamation declaring May 18-24, 2025 as Emergency Medical Services Week, accepted by Fire Chief David Staub, Battalion Chief Dan Bramble, and fire department members. Chief Staub recognized Shelley Henry for her contributions as Prehospital Coordinator.
  • D.5 Proclamation designating May 11-17, 2025 as National Police Week, accepted by Police Commanders Jesse Davies and Joshua Haines, and Officer Kevin Ruch on behalf of the Payson Police Department.

Consent Calendar

  • B.1 Approved minutes from March 26, April 1, April 9, April 23, and May 8, 2025.
  • B.2 Resolution No. 3442: Agreement with Payson Senior Center, Inc. for disbursement of public purpose funds.
  • B.3 Resolution No. 3444: Amendment to intergovernmental agreement with Gila County for consolidated court services.
  • B.4 Resolution No. 3445: Agreement with Humane Society of Central Arizona, Inc. for FY 2025-2026.
  • B.5 Resolution No. 3446: Monetary support for the Mogollon Valley Pit Program (Blattner Brush Pit).
  • All items were approved by a single motion, passed 7-0.

Public Comments & Testimony

Numerous residents spoke during the Call to the Public and during public hearings. Key themes:

  • Aquatic Center: Many speakers advocated for the Malibu site (Roy Sandoval, Tom Dunning, Anna Van Zile, Deb Jones) citing better access, new construction, earlier completion date, and cheaper long-term maintenance. Others supported renovation of Taylor Pool (Inga Chouinard questioned figures and requested hard numbers; Lori Thompson argued renovation could be done for under $6 million and noted the school district prefers Rumsey). Barbara Underwood emphasized need for covered year-round pool with zero-entry access.
  • Airport/Hangar One: Several speakers expressed concerns about proposed changes. Rodney Tang and Brad Lawrence highlighted aviation community contributions (scholarships, educational programs) and called for open dialogue. Dale Mueller cautioned against using tracking systems for landing fees. Adam Moore opposed exclusive rights for a private LLC to manage town-owned hangars, alleging cronyism. Christopher Giavarini urged FAA-funded FBO status and improvements. Tom West and Mike White (representing Payson Hangar One LLC) argued for continued management to keep costs low and maintain volunteer efforts. Marjie Oldenkamp advocated for an open RFP process.
  • Fees: Tom West opposed new fees for flight instructors and runway incursions, citing financial hardship for students. Margie Oldenkamp opposed fees for the courtesy car. Lori Permenter raised concerns about water deposit increases causing hardship.
  • Wildfire Structure Hardening: Bob Decker and Alan MacKay (RimWAT) supported the code, referencing recent wildfires. Kevin Sokol (builder) expressed concerns about cost increases of $10,000-$20,000 per home and urged communication with builders.
  • Miscellaneous: Charlie Seraphin criticized sidewalk replacement on Airport Road as unnecessary and urged fiscal responsibility.

Discussion Items

  • E.1 Public Hearing on Occupational Licensing: Town Clerk Tracie Bailey and Town Attorney Robert Wingo presented the requirement to continue existing licenses (peddlers, solicitors, mobile merchants, second-hand dealers) under state law. Public comment included questions about photo IDs and enforcement. Council voted unanimously to continue the licenses.
  • F.1 Second Public Hearing on Fee Schedule (Resolution 3438): Finance Director Dana Ohanesian reviewed proposed fees. An error was corrected: Type 2/3 helicopter fee should be $0 for FY 2024-2025, increasing to $10/night. The airport commission requested elimination of the flight instructor fee. Discussion included concern about water deposits and other fees. Motion to approve with modification (zero fee for flight instructors) passed 6-1 (Council Member Bell dissenting).
  • F.2 Second Public Hearing on Rezoning (Ordinance 969): Planner Nicole Adams presented rezoning 7.66 acres at 1500 E Frontier Street from R1-175 to R1-90 for a 5-lot subdivision. The Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval (6-0). No public comments. Motion to approve passed 7-0.
  • F.3 Second Public Hearing on Wildfire Structure Hardening Code (Ordinance 970): Fuels Manager Kevin McCully presented the code applying to new structures and substantial remodels. Builder Kevin Sokol expressed concerns about cost impacts ($10,000-$20,000 per home) and lack of clarity in dimensions. Council discussed compromise. Several members favored additional outreach to contractors. Council directed staff to engage with the development community and return with refinements.
  • G.1 Presentation by Payson Hangar One LLC: Tom Thompson, Mike White, and Tom West presented arguments for a new 20-year lease, citing cost savings, volunteer maintenance, and FAA grant compliance. They argued hangar doors are repairable (structural engineer report) and that an RFP is unnecessary. Town Attorney Wingo stated the current lease is deficient and that an RFP would best meet FAA requirements.
  • G.2 Council Decision Request to Assume Hangar One Management: Airport Coordinator Dennis Dueker presented concerns about liability, FAA grant assurances (especially non-discrimination), and the condition of hangar doors. He recommended town takeover with standardized one-year leases. After discussion, a motion to approve town management within 30 days and not renew the ground lease with PHO LLC passed 6-1 (Mayor Otto dissenting, citing lack of faith in town's ability to maintain assets).
  • G.3 Council Decision Request on Aquatic Center Location: Rod Buchanan presented a high-level assessment of five options at Taylor Pool/Rumsey Park and Malibu site. Key differences: Malibu offers earlier completion (March 2027 vs. January 2028), new infrastructure, and room for expansion, but costs approximately $700,000 more for like-for-like. Parking costs were estimated at $1 million. Council debated tradeoffs, funding (potential GO bond), and community input. Motion to approve Option 5 at the Malibu location and authorize up to $1.48 million for construction documents and pre-construction services passed 4-3 (Mayor Otto, Council Members Bell and Ferris dissenting).

Key Outcomes

  • Consent Agenda: Approved 7-0.
  • Occupational Licensing: Continued existing licenses (motion carried 7-0).
  • Fee Schedule (Resolution 3438): Approved with modification eliminating flight instructor fee for FY 2025-2026 (6-1; Bell no).
  • Rezoning (Ordinance 969): Approved 7-0.
  • Wildfire Structure Hardening (Ordinance 970): Direction given to staff to conduct additional outreach with builders and bring back refined code; no final vote.
  • Hangar One Management (Council Decision Request): Council approved town assuming management within 30 days, not renewing ground lease, and freezing tenants for 30 days (6-1; Otto no).
  • Aquatic Center: Council selected Option 5 at the Malibu location and authorized up to $1.48 million for construction documents and pre-construction services (4-3; Otto, Bell, Ferris no).

Meeting Transcript

To order, may 14th, twenty twenty-five. We call for the invocation. Pastor Lindo Arson. Okay. And good for all. May we all act with love for the common good, so that we may be good neighbors, helping to serve the best interest of all. May all members here be open to diverse perspectives and make decisions with integrity, fairness, and commitment to the common good. We thank you again for this council, our mayor, staff, first responders, hospital staff, and all those who work in this place that we call home to make it such a blessing. By the power of the Spirit who is at work among us, we ask for courage, strength, and resilience, so that we may proceed today, heeding God's call for justice and resolving to work untiringly together for peace and community. Amen. Since we have such a full house, we're going to go to item D first and do the ceremonial announcements, presentations, and introductions. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm here. Roll call, please. Where's the thing? Let the record reflect that all council members are present except Vice Mayor Susie Tubbs. Thank you for reminding me. Now can I go to D? Thank you. So we have a presentation for Western War Days. Shut me out. Adventure month. Adventure month. Okay. Who's reading Adventure Month? Is that for you, Jim? Oh, oh, I got the site. No, I've got I've got rodeo committee. Okay, I got I got it. Okay. Whereas the strength of our nation and the great state of Arizona is in its people, culture, and community. And we celebrate, and whereas we celebrate the beauty and splendor of the great nature we are surrounded by and all that Payson has to offer. And whereas it is fitting and proper to celebrate all the exciting adventures and events that the town of Payson has to offer. And whereas the Town of Payson's economic development division and parks and recreation in partnership with Axis Culture Group are proud to present Adventure Pace and Month. Now, therefore, I Stephen Otto, Mayor of the Town of Pays, and do hereby proclaim May 2025 as Adventure Pace and Month in Payson and encourage all to celebrate and be a part of Adventure Pace and Month to welcome all our visitors and to enjoy our fun-filled community. In witness thereof, I have hereto set my hand and cause to be affixed the great seal of the town of Pace in Arizona on this fourteenth day of May. Thank you, Mayor and Council. We're here really excited for this proclamation. This is our third year for Adventure Pays and Month. The celebration was created to mark the start of our busy and fun summer season. We highlight special events, outdoor experiences, and all the things that are going on in the community. We're proud to promote everything our town has to offer from scenic trails, festivals, fun family activities, and adventure peace of month helps kick it all off. We do have our visitor center open house this Friday from 10 to 2, and then we have a short video to share with you that we use to help promote Payson. As of this morning, this video has over 56,000 views. Very nice, thank you. If the rodeo committee would like to come up, I'll read yours next. We'll come right up close, David. Well up close. We like it. Okay, proclamation. Whereas the Pays and Road Pro Rodeo Committee is a vital part of our community and is promoting our Western heritage through sponsorship of the Pays and Spring Rodeo Gary Hart Memorial.

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