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Town of Payson Common Council Regular Meeting - September 23, 2026

Town Council & Planning and Zoning — Wednesday, September 23, 2026
BodyPayson, Arizona
SessionTown Council & Planning and Zoning
DateWednesday, September 23, 2026
StatusFILED
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12:39

Oh, welcome back.

12:51

I call this meeting of the common council of the town of Payson regular meeting to order this twenty-third day of September twenty twenty six.

15:00

Councilmember Tubbs is a fearing via sill.

15:04

Thank you.

15:11

Now's the time for call to the public, which allows citizens with an opportunity to speak on issues within the legal authority and jurisdiction of the town of Payson.

15:22

The town must abide by Arizona Open Meeting Law, and the agendized item is the public's opportunity to be heard at this meeting.

15:31

When called to speak, please approach the podium, speak towards the microphone so your statements can be heard, give your name.

15:39

Town requests that you address the comments to the council as a whole.

15:43

If you are speaking on an agenda item from today's meeting, uh looking at the agenda, I have I've seen one that wants to speak on one of the agenda items.

15:54

There's a possibility it will be done in an executive session.

15:57

So it's okay, I will call you during call to the public if that works.

16:02

So thank you.

16:19

Note the council will not be entering into dialogue with you or answering your questions.

16:24

State law prohibits the council and staff from responding to your questions or comments, and at the conclusion of call to the public, individual town council members may only one respond to criticism made by those who have spoken, two, direct staff to review or follow up on the matter, and three direct that the matter be put on a future agenda.

16:48

If you desire direct response to your questions or concerns, please contact the council member or staff directly available on the town website.

17:00

The purpose of this meeting is to conduct town business.

17:04

And if you have not filled out a speaker request form and request want to do so, I will ask at the conclusion of these uh requests to speak forms if there's anyone that else anyone else wants to address us.

17:22

And at that point, raise your hand, I'll acknowledge you, and you'll be given your three minutes.

17:27

I also request at this time that uh if anyone has any signs or anything that they want to display during the meeting, please do not do so.

17:36

It be disrupts our meeting.

17:38

I I would ask that uh anything resembling a sign or a prop, please please do not use it.

17:47

Uh may I just and just to clarify, it's um no sign should ever block somebody because that would be disruptive and could obviously impact, but we can't like just outright say no signs.

18:00

So as long as it's not blocking, so if you're gonna have something, you just probably should probably be in the back or on a side.

18:06

So that's the first amendment.

18:14

Okay.

18:17

Signs, signs everywhere there's signs.

18:20

Uh that being said, a song.

18:27

Uh let's begin.

18:30

Tom Dunning.

18:44

I'm Tom Dunning.

18:46

I'm a 21-year resident of Payson.

18:52

I have uh stood up here a number of times and spoken in support of our town staff.

19:00

Today I'm here to support our female staff.

19:06

In terms of sexual conduct, no woman who is an employee of our town should ever have any doubt that she is protected from sexual harassment or abuse.

19:21

I'm a man.

19:23

How do I know about such things?

19:26

My late wife, Linda, was a survivor of sexual abuse when she was a teenager.

19:35

She would be standing here telling you this if it helped any woman forego this hurt.

19:44

It never completely goes away.

19:48

What can we do to ensure our town is a safe place for our female staff to work?

20:00

We can believe them.

20:03

We can also be aware that such conduct has happened in our town and could happen again.

20:14

We can also commit to vetting programs, rules, and education to prevent this harmful conduct from ever happening again.

20:31

Thank you.

20:32

Thank you.

20:37

Robert Hirschberger.

20:46

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

20:48

Robert Hirschberger, 22 years resident here.

20:54

Last time we had a meeting, I spoke about affordable housing, particularly about starter homes for habitat and the possibility of using some of the property just to the east of the town hall facilities for such a facility.

21:16

And today I'd like to be a little specific about it.

21:20

A strip about a hundred feet wide, all the way from an extension of Easy Street all the way up to the next major street.

21:30

Would house 20 to 30 of these affordable individual affordable workforce houses that Habitat for Humanity has demonstrated that they can put on property.

21:45

It could also save a number of trees that are in that area because they are individual houses and can be placed in and amongst the trees.

21:59

One of the reasons I came to Payson is trees.

22:06

We're known for having a beautiful stands of trees, Ponderosa Pines and other kinds of pines and oak.

22:15

And people come up here to enjoy being in the mountains and having trees.

22:52

And there is not one tree amongst the recreational vehicles or the cabins.

23:05

And on the part of the setback lines that it can't develop.

23:10

But this looks like Apache Junction reinvented.

23:15

I think you need to think about that when you're thinking about a luxury homes.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Procedural█████████████████████████████████████████████75%
Affordable Housing████6%
Public Engagement██4%
Personnel Matters██3%
Tourism Development██3%
Public Safety█2%
Parks and Recreation█2%
Workforce Development█1%
Zoning And Land Use█1%
Summary of Proceedings

Town of Payson Common Council Regular Meeting - September 23, 2026

The Town of Payson Common Council met for its regular meeting on Wednesday, September 23, 2026, beginning at approximately 4:01 p.m. in the Town Hall Council Chambers, 303 North Beeline Highway, Payson, Arizona. Mayor Stephen Otto presided. All seven council members were present, with Vice Mayor Susan "Suzy" Tubbs appearing via Zoom and Council Member Scott Nossek arriving at approximately 4:03 p.m. Staff present included Town Manager Darren Coldwell and Town Attorney Christina Estes-Werther. The Council took public comments, received a Town Manager update on economic development advertising, and voted unanimously to enter executive session on three new business items. The meeting recessed at approximately 5:01 p.m., reconvened at approximately 7:26 p.m., and adjourned at approximately 7:27 p.m.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Tom Dunning, a 21-year resident, spoke in support of female town staff, urging the Town to commit to vetting, programs, rules, and education to prevent sexual harassment.
  • Robert Hirschberger, a 22-year resident, spoke in favor of using a strip of town-owned land east of Town Hall for 20–30 affordable workforce homes through Habitat for Humanity, calling that the "highest and best use" rather than a luxury RV resort.
  • Dave Mansfield suggested the Town issue a request for proposals (RFP) for the Malibu property and conduct a traffic study, saying the resident-purchased asset warranted further analysis and that the RV proposal did not appear to be the highest and best use.
  • Robert Decker, speaking on behalf of the Rim Wildfire Awareness Team (RIMWAT), urged personal responsibility and emergency preparedness, and invited the public to a Red Cross training at the Payson Public Library on September 30, 2026, at 3:00 p.m.
  • Darlene Younker Delage praised Town Manager Darren Coldwell and encouraged Council to extend his contract; she supported the sale of the Malibu property to Wildhorse Hospitality, saying the proposal repays more than the Town paid for the land.
  • Margie Oldencamp, an airport hangar operator, joined the call for an RFP and opposed selling the Malibu parcel for a luxury RV resort, emphasizing the need for appraisals and a fair, open process for public property.
  • Patricia Gill opposed the luxury RV resort without in-depth public debate and asked that studies and resident input guide a broader look at town needs, including housing and public services.
  • Ralph Townsend requested review of a town policy requiring people to consume or discard bottled water before leaving a town event, arguing it violates Arizona constitutional protections of property and liberty and should include clear notice.
  • Paul Edwards requested a future agenda presentation on an affordable-housing project on the Malibu property, noting that affordable housing and a luxury RV resort are not mutually exclusive; Vice Mayor Tubbs and Council Member Dallin Haws asked that the item be added to a future agenda.
  • Sharon Arnst provided statistics favoring a recreation center on the town-owned land over an RV resort, including that a recreation center produces four to five times more economic activity per dollar invested, and that every $1 million invested in outdoor recreation infrastructure generates $4.5 million in economic activity and increases nearby business foot traffic by up to 18 percent.
  • Pam Chittenden opposed the sale of the Malibu property, urging instead that it be used for an improved Town services campus and affordable housing.
  • Leoni Dobbins asked the Town to ban radio-controlled boats at Green Valley Park, saying they disturb wildlife, including Canada geese, and violate town code.
  • Michael Fox said the Police Department had failed to enforce town code because of a misinterpretation regarding battery-powered boats, and requested increased evening police presence at Green Valley Park; Council Member Charlie Bell asked to discuss the matter with staff.
  • Mike Quinn presented a conceptual drawing for putting an RV park near the Event Center/rodeo grounds instead of on the Malibu property, and suggested combining affordable housing with a recreation center to save money.
  • Charlie Seraphin offered a vote of confidence for Town Manager Coldwell, describing hiring as an "inexact science" and saying Coldwell had done an excellent job.
  • Pat Lockwood, via Zoom, supported Darren Coldwell and the sale of the Malibu property for a luxury RV resort, noting the property had been for sale for 18 years and that Payson is a tourism community.

Current Events Presentation

  • Town Manager Darren Coldwell reported on Economic Development advertising campaigns, including commercials, social media, display and print ads, and sports-related advertising. He noted that local sales tax increased by over $800,000 last year and that tax receipts are up about 3 percent so far this year, and reported that the campaigns reached more than 171 million people.

New Business and Executive Session

  • H.1 – Town Parcels 304-02-015W and 304-02-015X ("the Property") and Wildhorse Hospitality LLC's proposal for a Luxury RV and Cabin Resort were discussed. After executive session, Council Member Dallin Haws noted that no decisions were made on H.1.
  • H.2 – Pinnacle Propane/Alliant Gas operations: Council Member Dallin Haws moved, seconded by Council Member Charlie Bell, to direct staff as discussed in executive session. The motion carried 6–0, with Vice Mayor Tubbs not voting.
  • H.3 – Town Manager employment/annual performance evaluation: Council Member Brett Flaherty moved, seconded by Council Member Jim Ferris, to direct Town Attorney Christina Estes-Werther to move forward with details discussed in executive session to extend Town Manager Darren Coldwell's contract for a third year. The motion carried 6–0, with Vice Mayor Tubbs not voting.

Key Outcomes

  • The Council voted 7–0 to recess into executive session to discuss H.1, H.2, and H.3 for legal advice and other authorized purposes. The executive session lasted from approximately 5:01 p.m. to 7:26 p.m.
  • On H.3, the Council directed the Town Attorney to extend Town Manager Darren Coldwell's contract for a third year (6–0).
  • On H.2, the Council directed staff as discussed in executive session (6–0).
  • No decision was made on H.1, the Malibu property/Wildhorse Hospitality proposal.
  • Council Member Bell requested a follow-up with Town Manager Coldwell regarding Green Valley Park enforcement concerns raised in public comment.
  • The Council agreed to place Paul Edwards' affordable-housing presentation on a future agenda, with the request indicating the October 14, 2026, Council meeting.

Meeting Transcript

Oh, welcome back. I call this meeting of the common council of the town of Payson regular meeting to order this twenty-third day of September twenty twenty six. Councilmember Tubbs is a fearing via sill. Thank you. Now's the time for call to the public, which allows citizens with an opportunity to speak on issues within the legal authority and jurisdiction of the town of Payson. The town must abide by Arizona Open Meeting Law, and the agendized item is the public's opportunity to be heard at this meeting. When called to speak, please approach the podium, speak towards the microphone so your statements can be heard, give your name. Town requests that you address the comments to the council as a whole. If you are speaking on an agenda item from today's meeting, uh looking at the agenda, I have I've seen one that wants to speak on one of the agenda items. There's a possibility it will be done in an executive session. So it's okay, I will call you during call to the public if that works. So thank you. Note the council will not be entering into dialogue with you or answering your questions. State law prohibits the council and staff from responding to your questions or comments, and at the conclusion of call to the public, individual town council members may only one respond to criticism made by those who have spoken, two, direct staff to review or follow up on the matter, and three direct that the matter be put on a future agenda. If you desire direct response to your questions or concerns, please contact the council member or staff directly available on the town website. The purpose of this meeting is to conduct town business. And if you have not filled out a speaker request form and request want to do so, I will ask at the conclusion of these uh requests to speak forms if there's anyone that else anyone else wants to address us. And at that point, raise your hand, I'll acknowledge you, and you'll be given your three minutes. I also request at this time that uh if anyone has any signs or anything that they want to display during the meeting, please do not do so. It be disrupts our meeting. I I would ask that uh anything resembling a sign or a prop, please please do not use it. Uh may I just and just to clarify, it's um no sign should ever block somebody because that would be disruptive and could obviously impact, but we can't like just outright say no signs. So as long as it's not blocking, so if you're gonna have something, you just probably should probably be in the back or on a side. So that's the first amendment. Okay. Signs, signs everywhere there's signs. Uh that being said, a song. Uh let's begin. Tom Dunning. I'm Tom Dunning. I'm a 21-year resident of Payson. I have uh stood up here a number of times and spoken in support of our town staff. Today I'm here to support our female staff. In terms of sexual conduct, no woman who is an employee of our town should ever have any doubt that she is protected from sexual harassment or abuse. I'm a man. How do I know about such things? My late wife, Linda, was a survivor of sexual abuse when she was a teenager. She would be standing here telling you this if it helped any woman forego this hurt. It never completely goes away. What can we do to ensure our town is a safe place for our female staff to work? We can believe them. We can also be aware that such conduct has happened in our town and could happen again. We can also commit to vetting programs, rules, and education to prevent this harmful conduct from ever happening again. Thank you. Thank you. Robert Hirschberger. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Robert Hirschberger, 22 years resident here. Last time we had a meeting, I spoke about affordable housing, particularly about starter homes for habitat and the possibility of using some of the property just to the east of the town hall facilities for such a facility. And today I'd like to be a little specific about it.

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