Good morning, and welcome to the standing committee's meeting for Wednesday, February 25th, 2026.

All council meetings will be live streamed on the city's website, and for guest speakers, please do not turn off your microphones.

Our first order of business is roll call.

Mr.

Charland.

Here.

Mr.

Coghill.

Ms.

Gross.

Mr.

Lavell.

Mr.

Mosley.

Mrs.

Salonetro.

Here.

Mrs.

Warwick.

Mr.

Wilson.

Here.

Mr.

Strasberger Chair.

Here.

Five members present.

Thank you.

Our next order of business is public comment.

I would like to remind all speakers that the rules of council state that comments are limited to matters of concern, official action, or deliberation, which are or may be before city council, and profanity will not be permitted.

Please state your name and neighborhood for the record.

You will have three minutes to speak.

Council members Barbara Warwick and Bob Charlotte, as well as the skateboarders have justified this by stating that our playground was disused.

That is a shameful excuse.

No skateboarders or city officials even asked the most important question that before construction began.

What does the community want?

They didn't respect the longtime residents and homeowners of our community.

The ill conceived illegal skate park has violated numerous Pittsburgh municipal codes.

There was one, no notice to long-time residents or homeowners from either the skateboarders or city officials.

Two, no community engagement.

Three, no development activities meeting.

Four, no planning commission hearing.

Five, no zoning board of adjustment hearing.

Six, no plans submitted to the city for the construction of the skate park.

Seven, no permits issued for the construction of the skate park.

Eight, no city supervisor inspection of the construction work.

Nine, no certificate of occupancy obtained.

Not only did they commit these violations, but as discussed in previous testimony, skateboarders and their supporters incited 11 shameful incidents of harassment intended to instill fear in the residents.

Council members Warwick and Charlotte have ignored that shame.

However, shame that is mass denied numb or ignored will continue to grow.

That truth is evident that the shame of the legal skate park has been passed on to Mayor Corey O'Connor's administration.

The illegal skate park is the antithesis of the mayor's desire that our recreation areas reflect the will of the host community and that they demonstrate a deep respect for the host community's heritage and culture.

Soon hundreds of thousands of visitors will descend upon Pittsburgh for the NFL draft and witness either the dignity or the shame of our city.

End the shame and shut down the illegal skate park.

That the longtime residents of home and homeowners of Panther Hollow never needed or wanted and never ever should have been built in the first place.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Next speaker, please.

My name is Unique Brown.

I'm here because I'm confused, concerned, and honestly shaken.

Yesterday, the director's action line called me and read me statements that the CEO of the agency that I was complaining about.

And this was my first time hearing it.

Serious statements.

I waited to hear the evidence, the dates, the documentation.

So I asked directly, was there any proof provided?

Any dates?

Any video?

Anything to support this?

And the answer was no.

No proof, no documentation, just her word.

And I was told once she answers the director actually, that's it.

So I tried another ring.

I contacted the CEO directly.

I asked for the real internal process.

The process for someone above her, someone neutral, someone that can actually look into this.

Her response to me was I could send her my grievance and she'll pass it on.

I need you to think about that.

I'm being asked to hand my complaints to the very person I'm accusing.

And to trust she'll forward it.

How is that independent oversight?

How is that free from conflict of interest?

How is that a system that protects the public?

This is not about attacking leadership.

It's about whether power in this city answers to anyone other than self.

Because when is there no requirement for proof?

No independent investigation, and no direct path above a CEO without going through the CEO.

Then accountability feels out of reach.

And when out of cap when accountability feels out of reach for someone like me, someone so small, someone that doesn't have any power.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Next speaker, please.

Good morning.

My name is Yvonne F.

Brown.

I live at 715 Mercer Street.

That's in the high rise up in Cayley Rover's tires.

I was told yesterday my minister from Reverend Dr.

Scott Snyder is the minister for Bethel Avenue Church.

That is my minister of my church.

He had asked about coming down.

I told him how he could come down and speak.

In fact, in my church, we have breakfast every Sunday.

And there were some people from the community, and I was able to speak and tell them that they could come down.

Now I think last week I didn't come on a Tuesday, and one of the men did come down.

So the people are listening.

And the people want to know what's happening in our community.

Now also, I'm a little bit um concerned because I live up in K Lee Irving, as I told you that we are being threatened.

We have the big man that's threatening the gay white man, and I'm calling them names.

And he talks very nasty.

But also, uh it was in my door, and I have a note from the house from the management that I have 30 days to move out because they say that my daughter's living with me.

She's in the home, but she does come there, and if the kids miss the bus in the morning to go to school, because they got to get up at five o'clock in the morning.

If they miss the bus, then they do sometimes come over to my house.

But they're actually saying I'm I'm telling her she don't live here.

And you can see she don't.

She's in the home.

I told her, I took her paper, and if she don't accept it, I'll be back again.

But I want to let you just know.

This is when I come down, I come down for a reason.

I can't, I bet this there's nothing that I can get.

I want to know about my son, but hey, it don't seem like I know that.

But I always talk about going to church.

And I want to say that I took a visitor to church, and the visitor went to get the food, and the food wasn't like whatever.

She went and changed the food.

When she came back and she heard one of the members say, hmm, they're so ungrateful.

See, this is the same thing that I say about you.

Now, this woman didn't know the woman took the eggs back because they had cheese in it, and she can't eat cheese.

And when she takes and gives her the food, the other um woman sitting there saying so ungrateful.

See, you need to listen.

You need to shut your mouth and sometimes think about what the other person is going through.

She didn't know, so why does she all automatically say that this woman didn't appreciate food?

But if you can't eat it, like the woman said, uh, I can't eat the eggs with the cheese, because if it will, I will have gas.

All through the church, I'll be just breaking wind, like our president.

They say he's the big farter.

Big stinking thing.

Um, you have to forgive me because when I think about him, forgive me, Lord.

I didn't mean that.

Next speaker, please.

Good morning, Ceres Taylor, the missing child, special agent sunshine.

Beauty in the unknown.

God, I know some things about you, but so much remains a mystery, and that often unsettles me.

The mystery of you is like a midnight sky.

So immense it can swallow me whole.

But I know your love is vaster still.

God help me to find beauty in the unknown and to love whatever I glimpse of you in Jesus' name.

Amen.

The wisdom for today comes from Proverbs 1129.

It says, Whoever brings ruin on their family will inherit only the wind, and the fool will be servant to the wise.

Psalm 2512 says, Who then is the man who fears the Lord?

He will instruct him in the way chosen for him.

I got into a dispute with a bus driver who told me I couldn't hear the word, couldn't hear the voice of God.

But I don't have a phone.

So I have to be led and guided by God.

He's the only one that's protecting me.

Nobody else is.

These guys are still trying to take me out.

That's why the TV's not in here, because they want people.

Somebody already took out an insurance policy on me, because I'm supposed to be dead, and they're going to get the money, they think they are not.

Martin Luther King.

This is the last day I can bring one of his quotes, as I have been bringing most of this month.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

This heinous injustice of me being abducted, identity theft fraud, my identity being stolen by a family that wasn't mine, uh, to steal my inheritance trust, money in a will, a house.

To steal my inheritance trust, money in a wheel, a house.

Illegal conservatory shit, illegal guardianship, fraud by computer, insurance fraud, people being taken out for insurance money.

God has intervened.

I promise you.

So in finding clear guidance, he wants to give us clear direction.

God does.

So what was what so what must we do to hear his voice?

Clear the pathway, exercise patience, persist in prayer and search the scriptures.

To receive the Lord's guidance, we must repent of all known sin and make our desire secondary to him.

A song I want to share with you to in uh celebration of Black East Free Month comes from Natalie Cole.

It's for the way you look.

Oh is for the only one.

I see.

The is very, very much.

Extraordinary is E.

Your time is export expired.

The is more than just the game.

All right.

Take my are there any further speakers?

Any further speakers?

Okay.

We will move on to our standing committee's agenda.

Our first committee is the Finance and Law Committee.

New papers, Bill 121.

Resolution authorizing the issuance of a warrant in favor of Elena Griffiths in an amount not to exceed $2,650 over one year in full and final settlement of a claim for damage to her parked vehicle on Whiteman Street from a city EMS vehicle on August 18th, 2025.

Is there a second?

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 121, please indicate by saying aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

Bill 122.

Resolution authorizing the issuance of a warrant in favor of Naeem Martinez and Max Petrunia PC in the amount of $62,000 over one year in full and final settlement of litigation filed in the U.S.

District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 122, please indicate by saying aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

Bill 123.

Resolution authorizing the issuance of a warrant in favor of network deposition services for legal transcript services for an amount not to exceed $24,538 and 10 cents over one year.

Motion approved.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those those in favor of Bill 123, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

Bill 162.

Resolution transferring the amount of $2,500 within the 2026 operating budget from City Council postage to the office of the city clerk for the purpose of professional services.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 162, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

That moves us to invoices.

Is there a motion on invoices?

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of invoices, please say aye.

Oh, sorry, is there with the Azure multiple invoices on that?

Under innovation and performance.

To answer questions about multiple invoices under innovation and performance.

Kirsten Walmsley, Council Budget Director.

Um I forget what Azure actually is, but they are for different months.

So like the individual month um the individual months invoices don't go over the $5,000 limit.

But if you want more information on that, I can definitely get that from INP.

Yeah, I think Azure is um a cloud service, I think.

Okay.

I was just wondering.

Thank you.

Yeah, yeah.

Um it's it's council's prerogative to pass to pass today and then or approve today and then get final information later or to strike and then resubmit.

No, that's okay um so all those in favor of invoices, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Invoices are approved.

Moves us to P cards.

Is there a motion on P cards?

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

I will note and thank you to um as always to budget director Walmsley for pointing this out.

Um there is a payment under PLI to uniform construction in the amount of eight uh eleven thousand eight hundred forty-four, and that's the Q4 payment that um PLI is required to pay to the state and can only be paid by P art.

We see this every quarter.

Just you.

Any further discussion on P cards?

Yes.

Just briefly, I'd like to welcome the director to the table uh officially as director.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Yes, great job answering your first set of questions as officially by the director.

See, we don't bite.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, keep it easy for you for the first village.

I was good to be here.

Absolutely.

Any further discussion?

Seeing none, all those in favor of P cards, please say aye.

Aye.

P cards are approved.

That moves us to thank you very much.

That moves us to public works and infrastructure committee.

Excuse me.

I'm sorry.

Uh let's see.

Do we have councilwoman gross with us?

Yes.

I know that you were online.

She's online.

Uh we're wanting to move to earlier.

We're good on it.

Okay, okay.

Yes, I'm supportive.

Thank you.

Mm chair.

Thank you.

It sounds like we have enough time to move to stay as as normal.

So we'll move to public works and infrastructure committee.

Uh next, chaired by councilwoman Salonetro.

Supplemental papers, Bill 179 resolution authorizing the mayor and the director of the Department of Mobility and Infrastructure on behalf of the City of Pittsburgh to enter into a supplemental agreement or agreements with A.

Liberoni Inc.

for costs associated with construction for the Sylvan Avenue Multimodal Path Project, providing for the payment of the cost thereof not to exceed 1,732,504 and 13 cents, a net increase of 86,733.

Motion to approve?

Second with discussion.

Discussion?

Yeah.

We have the director, thank you.

Or assistant director.

Morning, everybody.

Jeff Skellagon, Acting Director for Noomi.

Um yeah, great.

Thank you.

So uh if we could get if if I could get an update on sort of where this project is, what the timeline is, and then um I just have a few questions.

I think I know the answers too, but just for the public, yeah, because there's some concerns with the community and whatnot that I think we can.

We are in our final stages with construction right now.

Um we did receive, we need additional money of the $86,703.

That is actually all 100% federal and state dollars.

There's no local money in that.

Um so when we had some overruns, we were able to get Pendot to participate in that.

Great.

Um so what the the questions I have, and I I hope you can answer them is I know is of course there's concerns from the community because this project was originally part of the Mon Oakland Connector overall project, right?

And so the Mon Oakland connector got scrapped.

Uh we passed legislation to make lower Shenley sort of officially part of Shenley, and then also a resolution prohibiting development in parks that doesn't directly benefit you know the public's enjoyment of the parks, including roads that connect to neighborhoods.

Um is a bike pedestrian trail through Sylvan, which basically connects Greenfield Avenue to Hazelwood Avenue.

But just and I and I just want to ask this and let you is the is that the the concern from folks who, you know, sort of a little bit of leftover, you know, jitters from the whole monoclin connector file and all of that, is that we build this thing and then it's gonna be able to turn, you know, it's it's gonna be a road that allows for for um multi-passenger vehicles, you know, five years down the road when when I'm gone and whoever that that it'll be like the monoclin connector back again.

So I just wanted to you answer that in a swage anyway.

It's built for um pedestrian bike use only.

We didn't put a big sub-base on there to be able to hold vehicles at any you know, any weight or anything like that.

So it is just for a trail for bikes and people.

Great.

Yeah, it's not gonna be able to sustain the phone.

And do we know the are you able to answer about like the width?

I actually haven't, I should go and look at it.

I haven't been, but about the width and like how it how it's sort of structured.

Good question.

I don't have it at top of my head.

I don't want to quote it that I I could get that to you though, but it's it's not.

It wasn't the original width though.

I think the original width width, I think was twelve feet.

Yeah.

I don't think it's that we I could get back to you on that.

And it does it have uh separate bike pedestrian like sections or um it does.

So we'll be able to accommodate bikes, I think coming down from the from the original trail, and then it's gonna be one trail the whole way down to um or one path the whole way down to Hazelwood.

Okay, okay.

So just so just for for anyone who's listening, the reason that I am so supportive of this is that in addition to being uh a nice green bike connection between Greenfield and Hazelwood, um it also will be for the Hazelwood community, just a nice if you wanted to just take a lead, you know, like a small bike rider walk with your family, like and just they are in back, it's it's a nice green space for for the community.

So I think all in all, I I you know I I'm supportive of this project.

I know that there was trepidation.

I had trepidation at first as well, right?

Yeah, um, but I think at the end, and it is grant funded, and that's also important to note that this is the same.

I look real quick to get the feed for you, and I don't have it on top of my head, but I will send it to you.

It's not as big as it was at the beginning.

Yeah, yeah.

And I know that you know there's always oh, we spend all this money on bike stuff, and why don't we?

But we're actually not spending when this is a grant.

So it's a grant for this, and it I think it will be a very nice asset for the community.

So anyway, thank you.

Thank you.

Further discussion.

Seeing none.

All those in favor of I open the bill, and now I need to get back to the agenda.

Uh all those in favor of Bill Um 179, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

New papers, Bill 119.

Resolution authorizing the mayor and the director of the Department of Mobility and Infrastructure to enter into a contract with Carnegie Mellon University in an amount not to exceed 200,000 over three years to support the city's safe streets and roads for all project.

CMU will also provide in-kind services in the amount of 200,000 for a total project cost of 400,000.

Motion to approve?

Discussion.

Yeah.

So what is this?

Apologies.

What um what is this gonna do?

We received uh $200,000 safe streets for all grant from the federal government.

Um Carnegie Mellon is throwing up $200,000 of their own money.

Um so they're not able to be the direct recipient for the grant, so we're receiving the award.

And um this legislation is for us to receive $200,000 for CMU.

And where is this gonna go?

This is gonna be throughout the city.

We don't have anything really um outlined yet.

This is just the start of the project.

We haven't done too much yet for with CMU on it.

So we've had kickoff meetings.

We're gonna have some kickoff meetings with them for it.

So is this gonna be projects not not just projects around campus?

Correct.

I should explain that better.

Yeah, it's not just for CMU, like the area, it's gonna be citywide.

Oh.

Okay, so CMU applied for the or wanted to apply for the city.

We applied for the grant.

Okay.

We accepted it, and then CMU is gonna throw in 200,000 of their own money.

Okay.

All right.

Well, that's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Further discussion.

Director, I I am curious about this.

So and forgive me because there are many different dome programs.

Yeah, I know it's gonna say does this fit into an existing program or is this gonna be sort of a new, just like the city.

You're gonna see it come up with the vision zero, and it's like like you said, it's like the the safe streets for all is citywide.

We were just able to get a smaller grant for 200,000 dollars and we need a 50% match.

Yeah.

CMU came and helped support it.

And then my other question is um uh is there a time frame at uh uh through under you know by which it means to be expended.

There is not.

Okay.

Okay.

There isn't.

So if we take a little time to develop it, think through what's needed, it's not gonna disappear next year.

No.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh second round, council member Warwick.

Yeah, I do have a question just since we, you know, obviously there's lots of discussion about our large nonprofits contributing to the city, et cetera.

So I I wonder, is there is this uh well really just about like the process, right?

Like is this an efficient way to do it where it's like project by project a little bit, or is it more if it maybe maybe it's more just like a general question, just like you know, one large payment to the city, like how how does this feel for DOME?

So in terms of of time and energy.

Right.

I mean, we'll hire a consultant to help us with the work.

This money is helps us pay for the consultant.

So like we'll receive the two hundred we will not receive the two hundred thousand dollars when we receive an invoice, we'll be able to um reimburse or I'm sorry, we'll be able to pay send it to CMU, they'll be able to pay us to get reimbursed.

So that's what it's for.

That's it, right?

So like we get two hundred thousand dollars for CMU.

Once we get a um invoice, we'll be able to send it and get reimbursed from CMU is what it is.

Okay.

I don't know.

I mean, I again always appreciate like you know um support from the non nonprofits, but I do sometimes wonder if it's not a little bit more efficient for them just to make a large contribution, even if it's specified, right?

Even if it's specified like for like traffic calm or something like that, right?

I mean they they're helping us with the match.

It's a 50% match of $50,000 that we didn't have.

Yeah.

No, no, I understand.

I understand.

But um at any rate, that's just sort of something to the conversation I guess for the administration to to have with uh with our large nonprofit partners.

Thank you.

Further discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 119, please indicate by saying aye.

Iffirmative recommendation.

Thank you, Director.

Uh that moves us to land use and economic development committee chaired by Councilman Wilson.

New papers, Bill 120, resolution, further amending resolution number 924 of 2024.

Effective December 18th, 2024 as amended and titled.

Resolution adopting and approving the 2025 capital budget, the proposed 2025 community development program and the 2025 through 2030 capital improvement program, so as to decrease Lawrenceville United by $15,000 and increase Lawrenceville Corporation by $15,000 so as to fund specific public service grant projects of city council and authorize a subsequent agreement or agreements.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 120, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation, Bill 124.

Resolution amending resolution number 792 of 2024, effective November 6th, 2024, as amended and titled.

Resolution authorizing the mayor and the director of the Office of Management and Budget to enter into an agreement or agreements with various community-based organizations for the implementation of the 2024 neighborhood economic development program and to provide for the payment of the cost thereof at a cost not to exceed $720,000, so as to decrease Lawrenceville United by $27,000 and increase Lawrenceville Corporation by $27,000, so as to authorize a subsequent agreement or agreements.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion?

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 124, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

That moves us to innovation performance asset management and technology committee chaired by councilwoman gross.

Supplemental papers, Bill 175 resolution providing for the issuance of a warrant in favor of levy convention centers, aka levy premium food service in the amount of $9,07.40 to pay for costs incurred for cybersecurity training.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 175, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

Deferred papers, Bill 41.

Ordinance supplementing the Pittsburgh Code of Ordinances, Title One Administrative, Article 7, Procedures by adding a new chapter, Chapter 173A, housing data dashboard.

Motion to approve discussion.

Second.

I'll defer to the sponsor.

Thank you.

The way we had it written before, it it doesn't.

And although we don't have a lot of those throughout the city right now, we do want to make sure that those are captured.

So there's a strike through there that you know about what actually defines living quarters.

But again, you know, I think uh you guys have all heard me talk about this.

Um having the ability to measure our um our housing construction in a city, uh not not necessarily measuring the construction, but measuring new available units, not mail not measuring um certificates of occupancy or building permits or applications, but actually measuring you know uh places where a family or an individual or anyone can live um is really important and something that modern cities do and something that we have not done um here yet.

So with this uh legislation and I'd ask for your support, we will be able to create a dashboard uh so we can publicly see where um where you know what what years we're we're building more and we and what gets measured gets improved.

So um with that I would like to ask for a motion to amend.

Second we was that a motion and your motion motion to amend.

Measurement and a second, okay.

Discussion on the amendment.

Councilman Wilson.

Yeah, if you'll allow interrogatory.

Sure.

So with this dashboard, you said I heard you say we built.

Um city, like broad or yeah, sorry.

That's a I guess I I wasn't precise there.

When someone builds in the city, it would measure that.

Uh we as the city obviously don't build uh uh any housing, but we'd be measuring you know, when someone comes in and uh builds a house, uh we would be able to capture the data year by year.

All across the board, like any.

Yep.

Yeah.

So I whether it's uh market rate or exactly a level of affordability.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

And and you know, I wrote this legislation, you have it in front of you.

Um there are things that I would like to see, like affordability and captured in in that number, um uh how long it took to for construction to happen, uh, how much subsidy was available.

But those are things that could be added to this right now.

The idea is to get the dashboard to get just to be able to say that that last year in in Pittsburgh 726 new units were built.

Um and all those additional things are are great, but let's let's get that number first.

And let's not delay getting that number by trying to make the the best data dashboard.

Let's let's create the minimal viable product right now.

All right, all right, thanks.

Sorry, I don't know who raised their hand first.

Um council member Warwick first.

Um just a quick question, and sorry if I if you said this already.

Would this also include um units that were brought back online, like if it was a vacant or banded property, whatever that yes?

Okay, okay.

Yeah, if the house was was previously vacant, yes.

Okay.

Um and can we also ask is it city planning or IMP?

I saw it was in IMP, but uh city planning would collect the data and I and P would create the dashboard.

Okay.

Um just from what you said about creating the dashboard, I mean I I assume IMP would put all the the nice to have, so to speak, in it, right?

And then the question is about collecting it.

Collecting the data.

Yeah, they okay, okay.

Um because that would be if it's built, I mean if it's a tool that's built, I'm not a butt you know that it should be built with all the capacity that we would like to have filled, and then as you said, you know, fill it as we can over time.

Yes, yeah.

And if I may, um one thing that I uh included in this is uh we have a deadline for this dashboard to be up by the end of the year.

Um and next year, the the thing that I really want to see is how many units come offline.

Um that is a more complicated problem.

I think there's a lot of ways to solve it.

I have I I have ideas of how I would solve it, um, but I'm not going to be the one that's counting it.

So I want the the planning department to be able to calculate number because we want to see, you know, it's great if we put a thousand units uh up, but it doesn't help us if we also lost a thousand units, you know.

So um I again I I have I have ways I would solve for that, but uh you know, I want them to figure exactly how they they would work through that problem.

And in your in your um additional information, are v is vacancy part of that?

So like if we're building units but you know, a quarter of them are sitting vacant.

No, that is isn't something I included.

That would probably be another would be important to me.

Occupy it or not, yeah.

And then whether or not again, I know it gets very complicated, right?

But then, you know, and we're talking about like, you know, Airbnb type thing, like is that an occupied unit or not, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We don't we don't have um we don't have vacancy again, it it is just simply the the raw number is is the task.

And then in the whereas is I included a bunch of um you know other things that are we would like to see as well.

But um we what I what I have been afraid of and when we've talked about this before is when we start adding those other things on, that delays this project further and further.

So let's deal with that what after this is you know, deal deal with whatever you know whatever and uh additional information we want to know after we create this.

Yeah.

Well, maybe as maybe we could I mean I assume you'll step, but you know, mid mid year, take a look at if there's a prototype of like, okay, from IMP, like this is sort of the you know what do you think of this?

Like, does this cover all the bases and then we can make sure that what's in there and then of course filling the data is a different story.

That's a different story.

Yeah.

But the again, this is something that almost every modern city has a version of this.

Um some sometimes they're they're solely focused on you know, affordable housing or solely focused on one type of housing, but we don't have anything.

And uh you know, it's 2026.

We let's let's get this minimal viable product up and running.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Councilwoman Gross.

Uh thank you.

I just want to say that I am enthusiastic about this legislation.

I'm really excited that we're moving forward with it.

Thank you to Councilman Charlin.

I have told him, and I probably said it here, I could show you years of emails um requesting this information from the various departments and getting partial or incomplete spreadsheets back.

Um it's it's harmed our policy making, I think.

And it's really it's really critical that we have this information to ensure that we are doing housing policy better.

So appreciate it.

That's all.

Thank you.

Councilman Conkell.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh I'm fully fully supportive of it.

I I think it's vital to have it information.

Um actually surprised that we so what you're saying is in the past, we don't we never logged how many units, new units, affordable market rate, we've never logged up in the past.

Yeah, right anywhere.

You know, as we try to increase our tax base for the future, it's uh you know, very important information.

And again, I'm kind of surprised that we we didn't track that information.

Will we be able to is the data there in the past five years and see how many units we added three years ago, four years ago?

Not that it's part of this bill, but is that data there or is it not if I'm uh if I can do an interrogatory.

So I the there's there's ways that that could be collected.

It's not that we you know it's not that we don't everything that that is built should have a certificate of occupancy.

But we have we don't publicly display it anywhere.

We don't have um it it probably does exist in a spreadsheet somewhere, but but it is definitely not publicly available and it it may not actually exist in a spreadsheet.

I think what councilwoman gross has kind of referred to is like there's kind of like this oral history of like I see that building there and I I know that they're trying to build this there, but they're you know, and and a lot of the real estate companies will provide their um provide their estimates of of how much we've built this year, uh that you know, but we don't have anything that is centrally like a city depository of this this information that we can look at and we can make better policies off of instead of having you know this this oral history of like that was built there and you know as opposed to you know knowing like there should be a number.

Of second round.

Yeah, that's it for me, ma'am.

Sure, thanks.

Thank you.

First round, we have Councilman Mosley.

Yeah, thank you.

I'm gonna I thank Councilman Sharlin for taking the lead on this and request an interrogatory.

Um Councilman Charlotte, you had mentioned um you know multiple cities that have some version, you know, uh of this dashboard.

Are there any particular cities that really stand out that that we can look to in the months as this is coming together um to look at you know a potential vision of of where you would like to see this thing go when it's finally launched.

Uh for the minimal violent product, I I'm not sure if there's a a great example of of that.

I think there are with the bells and whistles, New York City has a really good one.

And we heard a lot about Minneapolis.

Minneapolis kind of had their theirs is a little bit different.

Theirs looks like a um uh if you ever look behind the counter at McDonald's and you see like where the order is, like order came in here, um this is how long it's taking, uh, you know, finished product, pick up order 742 or whatever.

Right.

That's kind of how Minneapolis's looks.

It's it's pretty cool.

Um and and that really focuses on um affordable units.

I don't know that they capture all units in the way that that we're looking to here, but um yeah, it it is some version of this exists in in most cities.

Um but we looked at New York, Philadelphia, and uh the I I think the Minneapolis one again is like that is like version three, you know.

So we're we're trying to get to version one here.

Okay.

Thank you.

That exhausts my questions.

Thank you.

Second round, we have Councilman Wilson followed by Councilwoman Gross.

Sparked a big conversation.

Uh yeah, but uh we can have an interrogatory if you'd like, but I just want to uh you know say I think this is a great idea and uh looking forward to the finished product.

Uh but you know, sitting through the different budget uh hearings that we have, like this this isn't um this isn't like novel information, like we have the information and we see it on a graph um from PLI, but we would be putting this into like a visual map.

Yeah, I mean we have we have the PLI shows up and they show well they show a permits, but they can easily show the the ox that are you know completed and they uh they also show the amount of money that each project took.

So they probably have the amount of units, so I mean the the information is there, it's just we're putting it to a visual.

Yeah, and there's there's some noise in you know, a building permit may not actually turn into a unit or may turn into a different unit.

Um, or or someone might end up getting three building permits, you know, and change their their plans on what they're building.

So there's some noise in there that uh needs to be sorted out, and that's that's why I I'm really one of the things that um I'm really adamant about is like I don't want to measure certificates of occupancy, I don't want to measure building permits, I want to measure housing.

And while a certificate of occupancy in most cases would indicate that this is you know a new unit or a unit that that's available, um it may not.

And that was something that we saw in in the discussions last year that there is some noise there, and um we want to make sure that that we're measuring the thing we're trying to measure here.

Yeah, the noise would definitely be with the difference between a large building, like an apartment building versus a house.

There's no certificate of walking with sea for a house.

People think there is, but single family house, yeah.

Yeah, for single family house, there is it's just apartments closed, and that's it.

So yeah, there will be some discrepancy there of like the finish point.

So it'd be good to have a whole together.

Thank you.

And actually to build upon it, because I think is the best part, because then you can put you know what subsidies went into certain types of projects for us to understand globally throughout the city, you know, where resources are being used.

Um you know, whether it's always appropriate to get more housing, but you know, uh just basically where you know where money where grant, well not grants, but like where yeah, some are grants, but you know, where the money's going, whether it's state, federal or local to um, you know, get somewhere with where we need housing where we need a certain specific type of housing.

So thanks.

Thank you.

Councilwoman Gross.

Thank you, ma'am chair.

I um we're not talking about like oral history at all.

I mean, we're talking about like, hey, director of PLA, give me the spreadsheet of units that have been completed.

And they were unable to do so.

Right.

And so, yes, um, they were not actually recording in a way that they could produce a report on.

How many units were issued?

You know, so again, an occupancy permit is the last thing.

Right?

That means that that is a new unit that is now online.

So if one of the giant buildings down on you know, the strip district or in Lawrenceville, you know, one open that's nearly 500 units, right?

No one can live in it until PLI has issued that occupancy permit for exactly that number of units, right?

And yet they were unable to provide to council members the information.

And I kept saying this is absurd.

Like I will hire like 10 interns and we'll go into each building like write down the number of units permitted because it's posted.

You can only have a certain number of units in the building.

It doesn't speak to, as the councilman pointed out, the um pre-existing units, especially single family homes, which don't require occupancy permits.

And so um for the last few years, I was at least just saying, like, listen, we've had this like you know, and then like 10,000, a few years ago, I think we had surpassed 10,000 units if we could counting it informally of new construction.

Um and yet there was no authoritative count that they could produce out of their data or records, and I was like, if I need to send a team of people over to your office, we'll just go through all the paper, you know, like let's let's just figure it out.

So I'm hoping that this legislation will all have the same information that is authoritative, um, that is the one source instead of all of us trying to patch it together from other sources as well.

So okay, that's all, thank you.

Thank you.

Any further discussion?

So currently we have a motion to amend on the table, and that's what we're discussing discussing.

So all those in favor of the the proposed amendment or the motion to amend Bill 41, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Bill is amended.

Any further discussion on bill as amended?

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 41 as amended, please say aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation on Bill 41.

That brings us to intergovernmental and educational affairs committee chaired by Councilman Mosley.

New papers, Bill 117, resolution adopting plan revision to the City of Pittsburgh's official sewage facilities plan for 2402 North Charles Street at no cost to the city.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 117, please indicate by saying aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

Bill 118.

Resolution authorizing the issuance of a warrant payable in favor of the Chartiers Valley District Flood Control Authority to renew the City of Pittsburgh's membership into the C V D F CA and pay fees for the year 2026 in an amount not to exceed 17,24 over one year.

Motion to approve.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor of Bill 118, please in a key by saying aye.

Aye.

Affirmative recommendation.

That exhausts our standing committee's agenda.

We do have meeting announcements.

Next week, council will hold the regular meeting on Tuesday, March 3rd and Standing Committee's meeting on Wednesday, March 4th, both at 10 a.m.

Tuesday, March 3rd at 130 p.m.

Council will hold a pre-agenda interview for the planning commission.

Wednesday, March 4th at 130 p.m.

Council will hold a pre-agenda interview for Alcassan and Pittsburgh Water.

Friday, March 6th at 10 a.m.

Council will hold a cable cast public hearing for Bill 2025-1993 relative to rezoning parcels.

Speaker registration will close at 8 a.m.

the day of the hearing.

To register to speak at these meetings, please fill out the sign-up form from the council meeting webpage by the deadlines.

You may also call the clerk's office at 412-255-2138.

Anything from members.

Seeing none, I'll take a motion to approve them, uh approve the minutes and adjourn the meeting.

So move second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Meeting is adjourned.